1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Yoda. 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. India has 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: suffered its first series defeat at home since twenty twelve, 5 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: at the hands of none other than New Zealand. 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: The too nil defeat came. 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: When India was bowled out for two hundred and forty 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 2: five by the Black Caps in their chase of three 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty nine on the third day of the 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: second Test. So what does this mean for cricket in 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: New Zealand Today? On the Front Page ends at Herald Online, 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: Sports editor Alex Powell joins us to discuss this historic 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: win and why it matters. 14 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: First off, Alex, tell me about the series. Give me 15 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: the highlights, I. 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 3: Mean of where do you start with the highlights? So 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: basically to filly in as quickly as I can. New 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 3: Zealand have gone to India for a three Test series. 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 3: They were expected to get smashed and India don't lose 20 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: at home. I think they've only lost about six tests 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 3: in the last twelve years. Two of those have been 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: over the past two weeks, so the black Caps one 23 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 3: in Bengaluru last week that was their first Test win 24 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 3: in India for thirty six years, So all the reaction 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 3: there was, oh, it was a fluke, it was a fluke. 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 3: And then to back it up, they did the same 27 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 3: in Pune over the last couple of nights. And it's 28 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: amazing really because this team has no business doing that 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 3: to India. India's resources and cricket and the player pool 30 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: that they have, they shouldn't lose to anyone, especially in 31 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: New Zealand. Two only have five million people. That's the 32 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: population of a woman by suburb. I mean, the real 33 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: highlight is the permance of Mitchell Satna that he left Umpspinner, 34 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: who was man of the match. Eventually he took thirteen 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: wickets to bowl Inder out twice. Before that his best 36 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: figures we had only taken three wickets and I think 37 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: he beat that with seven. I think of all his 38 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: career wickets now, twenty percent of them have come from 39 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 3: this game. So he is the real individual highlight. Otherwise, 40 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: just looking at the team performance to go to in 41 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: there and win for the fourth time in history, two 42 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: of them had come before that, and then obviously the 43 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: next two have been over the last week, so I mean, 44 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 3: all round, that's pretty much where you stand on it. 45 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 4: It's not just a dream. It should be a movie 46 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 4: because talk about a ragtag team of misfits. You know, 47 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 4: a new captain. Probably not that many superstars. I mean, 48 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 4: Ratchin might end up being an all time great, but 49 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 4: just a team that just bonded together. And with Mitchell Satner, 50 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 4: I think they call it in the flow state or 51 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 4: feeling himself in the modern parlance, as an all time performance. 52 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 4: He's had his Doug Bracewl and Hobart test right there. 53 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: For those of us who don't watch or understand the sport, 54 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: can you explain to me what a series is. 55 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: We're going back to basics, Alex. 56 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: I mean that's very basic. I mean a series is 57 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: two or more matches played one after the other, so 58 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 3: this is three. The black Caps don't play a lot 59 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: of three Test series because their standing in cricket isn't 60 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 3: actually that high. It's not that profit ab to play 61 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: series and long series against New Zealand. 62 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 2: I'll read your headline and you may have already answered this, 63 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: but I will say it anyway. New Zealand have followed 64 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: one of their best Test wins with one of the 65 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 2: best Test performances. 66 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: By a New Zealander. Do you know who that player is? 67 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: Well, that was Mitchell Center, who I just spoke about exactly. 68 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: You took it away from me. But why was his 69 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: performance so good? 70 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: Do you think, with the greatest of respect to Mitchell Santner, 71 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 3: his displays and Test cricket have been quite unremarkable. Since 72 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: he debuted what fifteen so nearly ten years ago, he's 73 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: only played about twenty nine to thirty Tests. Since that's 74 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: not a lot for a guy who has the senior 75 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: standing that he does. You know, he'll come in for 76 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: two games and then we dropped for five, you know, 77 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: and now we're at the point where we're solely picking 78 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: him on conditions and in this case it played into 79 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: his hands perfectly. 80 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 5: It's obviously pretty pleasing. Test griger for me has been 81 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 5: I can't out and you know, I guess to get 82 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 5: these conditions over here and put in a I guess 83 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 5: a shift like that is pretty pleasing. But I guess 84 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 5: to do it against India and I guess kind of 85 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 5: beat them at their own game. I guess that was 86 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 5: the most pleasant thing for us in that second Test. 87 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: Anyway, And in terms of this series, I mean, you 88 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: watched every moment of it. 89 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: You lapped it up. What do you think the Black 90 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: Caps did differently? 91 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 3: I mean, that's a really difficult question to answer because 92 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: the game plan that they had was basically the same 93 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: one they had in Sri Lanka where they got swept turnal. 94 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 3: I think the performance of India was really what's done 95 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: in India have just imploded in this series. They've not 96 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: lost a home Test series since twenty twelve, they'd won 97 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: eighteen consecutive series in the time since then. They've beaten 98 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 3: every nation there apart from Pakistan. And yet it's New 99 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 3: Zealand that's pulled their pants down again. 100 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: So how historic is this defeat for them? 101 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: For India, it's their first Test series loss at home 102 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 3: to New Zealand and then conversely it's New Zealand's first 103 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: away series win in India. I mean, you'd probably have 104 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: to ask India where it ranks. They don't look at 105 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: New Zealand in the greater picture and say these guys 106 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 3: are our big rivals. They think, you know, Australia and 107 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 3: England because that's where cricket is now that those three 108 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: countries dominate. Then they also probably love beating Pakistan more 109 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,679 Speaker 3: than anyone as well. Whether or not this really rankles 110 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: in history is probably to be seen and for India to. 111 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: Answer, is it more historic than for New Zealand to 112 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: have done this to India? 113 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 3: No, New Zealand are definitely the biggest story head Like, 114 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: we will look back on this team in ten years 115 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 3: and wow, I can't believe they did that. They had 116 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: no business winning one test in the series, never one 117 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: two with one still to play. 118 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: What are some of the international coverage being of this? 119 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: So cricket now as a sport effectively just bends over 120 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: backwards to praise India. I think the status for every 121 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: dollar in international cricket ninety odd cents, so it comes 122 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: from India. The sport is completely fixated on making them 123 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: most of that audience. So in a lot of ways, 124 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: the Black Caps have really upset the Apple car by 125 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 3: doing this. 126 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: Some online have called it humiliating for India. Are they right? 127 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: And is it because New Zealand did it? 128 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean like if anyone beat India in India, 129 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 3: it's humiliating. The fixation with Indian cricket in India is 130 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 3: the same as we have with the All Blacks anytime 131 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 3: there's a loss, especially in test cricket, we want a 132 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 3: national inquiry and it's the same over there. 133 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: So will the alarm bells be ringing for India now 134 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 2: because they're off on a five match tour of Australia 135 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: next month. 136 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: Hey yeah, this was very much they're warm up. They 137 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: should have smashed us, gone to Australia huge on confidence 138 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 3: and then tried to do the same over there. And 139 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: now there are just going to be so many questions 140 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: around this team. Are the players too old? As the 141 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 3: captain the right person to do the job? Have they 142 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: got to move some of their star players on and 143 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: we can thank New Singland for that? 144 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: And what do you make of all of those questions? 145 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: Should they? 146 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: I mean, you can never really be too reactive about 147 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 3: these things. They should absolutely be planning for the future 148 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 3: at all times anyway, because that's what you do when 149 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 3: you're a country of that size. There's never going to 150 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 3: be a shortage of talent in Indian cricket. But whether 151 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: or not now has just put it on fast forward. 152 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 3: Remember India did win the T twenty World Cup earlier 153 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: this year, the men's one. We know who won the 154 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: women's one, don't we so how they react to it 155 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: will be really interesting to see because they do have 156 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: a tendency to throw the baby out with the bath 157 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: order on some of these things they are. 158 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 6: That's what I think about this, say a little a 159 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 6: little worried, but I just think if India's batting comes good, 160 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 6: then I think you never to start fear it's if 161 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 6: you can just struggle with that, dopport, then I fear 162 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 6: it might be in Australian summer. 163 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: So India continue to top the World Test Championship standings 164 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: despite the two defeats, but will they be less confident 165 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: about a spot in next year's final after their first 166 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: series loss on home soil of course, since falling to 167 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: England in twenty twelve. 168 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: I mean they should be less confident because, like you said, 169 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: they go to Australia for five tests. I don't think 170 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: it's out of the question to think Australia can win 171 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: that five No. I mean to start with, India will 172 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: need to beat in New Zealand and the third Test 173 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: in Mumbai. That's non negotible. Now they needed to win 174 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: all these pests and then basically go to Australia and 175 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: get something, whereas now they have to get everything from Australia. 176 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: And it's not only the men's team making good on 177 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: that international stage, is it. 178 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 6: No? 179 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, the woman won the T twenty World Cup? What 180 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: last week? 181 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: Now? 182 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: Sorry, time's a bit blurred now for me because there's 183 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:16,679 Speaker 3: been so much. 184 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: Over It's been so much cricket to watch. So how 185 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: historic was that win for the women's. 186 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 3: Historic's probably not the right word because they did win 187 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: the full fifty over World Cup in two thousand, but 188 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 3: that was in a whole generation of players a go 189 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 3: so much so that this generation was saying how they 190 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: watched that one and got inspired from it. But I mean, 191 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: on the whole, it's just a great time to be 192 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: a keep a cricket fan, isn't it? 193 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: Could this bolster cricket's popularity in New Zealand. I feel 194 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: like we're constantly talking about rugby and its stars, the 195 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 2: All Blacks. 196 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: Do you think the same can be said about cricket 197 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: and greats? 198 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: I think rugby is such a different thing to compare 199 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 3: any of this too, because rugby isn't a sport in 200 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 3: this country. It's entertainment. Whether or not we'll look at 201 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 3: the cricketers in the same lives with the rugby players, 202 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: I don't think so we've already seen this generation of 203 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: men's cricketers are the best we'll probably ever have, and 204 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: they can all still walk down the street without being bombarded. 205 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: But I mean the effect this is going to have 206 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: on kids. There's a phrase that you seen in sport, 207 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: you can't be what you can't see. And now we've 208 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: had a generation of girls grow up and see their 209 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: team win the T twenty World Cup, World champion. 210 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: Susi bats Susie, good morning, congratulations, How are you really? 211 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 5: Jess so pumped we've just sung the team song in 212 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 5: the changing room. 213 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, surreal. 214 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: The tournament has been. 215 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: So great for this group and to be world champions. 216 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 5: You know, we've had a couple of cracks, but not 217 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 5: recently and just so fazz Yeah, it's awesome. 218 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 3: We've had a generation of boys come through and see 219 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 3: their team just be amazing since what twenty fourteen, they've 220 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: won the World Test Championship in that time as well. 221 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: So I think the future really is bright. But now 222 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: it's up to news in the cricket to have the 223 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: right pathways in place for this talent to come through. 224 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: Do we fund it enough? 225 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 3: That's such a difficult question to us because New Zealand 226 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: cricket does not make a lot of money. 227 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: Well how does India do it? 228 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: I mean they've got the population base that they can 229 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 3: sell advertising to one point four billion people who are 230 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 3: all mad about it. Cricket it's not really a priority 231 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 3: sport for us here. It's our main summer code. But 232 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 3: rugby just has such a huge footprint and they look 233 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: at rugby league, you look at netball for girls coming up. 234 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: So whether or not cricket can keep going forward, you 235 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 3: probably will need another twenty years of success to even 236 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: have a chance of breaking through the grip of the 237 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 3: big sport. 238 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: So Alex, what's next with this series? 239 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 3: Well, there's the one Test to play. Let's not forget 240 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: the black Caps do have the luxury of being able 241 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: to lose that, you know, But we spoke about the 242 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 3: World Test Championship. For India's place in the final will 243 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 3: come down to what they do. But the black Caps 244 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: can also push for that final. Now they were effectively 245 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 3: out of contention after losing in Sri Lanka. But now 246 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 3: if they could win this one to three nil and 247 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 3: then come home and beat England three nil, who we 248 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 3: play next month. That will really give them the best 249 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 3: chance of making it and hopefully winning it for a 250 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: second time since winning the first one in twenty twenty one. 251 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: Do you reckon that they can maintain that momentum though? 252 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 3: I mean, so, England and New Zealand have a really 253 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 3: interesting relationship now. England's captain and coach are both Kighleis 254 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: and Ben Stokes and Brenda mccallums, so the two sides 255 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: know each other very well. They've played some really memorable 256 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 3: matches and series. Remember the twenty nineteen World Cup Final 257 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 3: that no one deserves to lose and likeably no one 258 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: did lose. So what happens from there? I don't know. 259 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 3: England have just lost in Pakistan as well, in similar 260 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 3: conditions to what New Zealand have played in India. But 261 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 3: coming over here there'll be a bit more familiar, will 262 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: be a bit more familiar. I mean, who knows. I 263 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: hope for a three norwin on top of winning in 264 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 3: Mumbai next or later this week, but we can just 265 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 3: have to wait and see, aren't we. 266 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Alex. 267 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You 268 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage 269 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: at enzed Herald dot co dot z. 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