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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: we get the answers, find a fact sack and give

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Speaker 1: the analysis. Heather Duplicy Ellen, Drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 1: and the Power of Satellite Mobile News Dog.

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Speaker 2: Said, be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Chris Hopkins,

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Speaker 3: Labor Party leader, on his capital gains tax plans. We're

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Speaker 3: going to talk to a sex education therapist about the

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Speaker 3: government's curriculum for years one to ten, which is being

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Speaker 3: released in half an hour's time. And Jenny Wiley, a

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Speaker 3: Netball CEO, on you know what.

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Speaker 4: Heather Duplicy Ellen, Well, I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know what's worse for Labor the fact that they've announced

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Speaker 3: a capital gains tax policy again today or the fact

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Speaker 3: that someone leaked it and forced them to announce it

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Speaker 3: in a rush. Now, I mean, obviously it does suck

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Speaker 3: for them that somebody eleaked it first, because it means

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Speaker 3: that they were so unprepared that they had to rush

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Speaker 3: job announce it in an email at three minutes past

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Speaker 3: five this morning. And then Chippy had to cancel his

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Speaker 3: morning radio interviews so that he didn't have to answer

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Speaker 3: questions about this until he was ready and they had

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Speaker 3: to get ready and call themselves a rush job press

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Speaker 3: conference for half past ten, where they all looked furious

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Speaker 3: and they stumbled over their words. Honestly, you haven't seen

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Speaker 3: such a sad lineup of people announcing something they're proud of.

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Speaker 3: This is the second policy announcement that Labor has managed

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Speaker 3: to stuff up in just about a week's a week's time,

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Speaker 3: a week's duration, which hardly looks convincing, does it. But

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Speaker 3: then it also sucks for them that this is the

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Speaker 3: policy that they're taking to the election, because I don't

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Speaker 3: care what the Baltwey and Wellington tells us. I do

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Speaker 3: not believe that a majority of New Zealanders want a

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Speaker 3: capital gains tax, no matter how many times Labor pictures it,

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Speaker 3: no matter how many times they try to convince us

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Speaker 3: that everyone else wants it. Why don't you want it?

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Speaker 3: And you know I'm right when I say this, because

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Speaker 3: look at how Labour's selling this today. Even they sound

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Speaker 3: like they're not so sure that we want a CGT.

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Speaker 3: They've double policied it today. They've told us what they're

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Speaker 3: going to spend the money on, which is three free

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Speaker 3: GP visits a year for us. Basically to try to

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Speaker 3: sell it to us, basically, to try to convince us

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Speaker 3: that a CGT is good for us. So just look

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Speaker 3: at how gleeful the National Party sound. They know that

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Speaker 3: this made twenty twenty six just a little bit more

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Speaker 3: likely for them. What I now want to know, though,

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Speaker 3: is who leak this to the media. Was it someone

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Speaker 3: who was just really excited that they knew something so

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Speaker 3: they leaked it to the media and blew up their

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Speaker 3: own parties big announcement or was it someone who disagrees

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Speaker 3: with labor and wanted to blow up their own parties

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Speaker 3: big announcement. Either way, they've just made an unconvincing policy

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Speaker 4: Hev d for see Allen.

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Speaker 3: Nine nine to two text number. Let me know what

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Speaker 3: you think standard text fees apply. Chippies with us after

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Speaker 3: five now or can? Councilor Richard Hills has come out

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Speaker 3: against what he calls antiev propaganda in the wake of

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Speaker 3: the recent bus collision on Tamaki Drive. The investigation is

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Speaker 3: still on going, but you know the one, the one

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Speaker 3: was the petrol vehicle that caused the fire. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: the Lithian batteries on the electric bus and councilor Richard

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Speaker 3: Hills is with us now.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Richard, sure to hear that.

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Speaker 3: So you were so worked up about this he hit

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Speaker 3: the old Facebook, did you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I mean it was just kind of shocking to watch

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Speaker 5: it roll out, as these things do. In the moment,

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Speaker 5: I mean, we were all worried about the poor driver

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Speaker 5: But then all I saw everywhere was told you told

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Speaker 5: your EV buses, told your EV batteries, and it was

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Speaker 3: So so what is the correct story?

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Speaker 4: Then?

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Speaker 3: Why was the road because that's a long time, Richard

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Speaker 5: So the road, I think the bus was moved within.

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Speaker 5: So the accident happened on Wednesday night and the bus

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Speaker 5: was removed on Thursday night, So yes, about twenty six hours.

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Speaker 5: But that's completely up to Finns and policea whether it's

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Speaker 3: And why did it take so long?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so that'll be up to them to explain was

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Speaker 5: as far as I know, No, but they haven't obviously

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Speaker 3: The misinformation I think you're trying to correct.

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Speaker 5: So it was just the misinformation about that the bus court.

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Speaker 5: You know, it was a bus fire that evs blew up,

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Speaker 5: the batteries, blew up all that kind of stuff. So

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Speaker 5: it was a significant fire caused by the the car itself.

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Speaker 5: So fens have confirmed that, and then Kinetic, obviously, who

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Speaker 5: extremely upset they've lost the colleague, also put out statement

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Speaker 5: that the batteries were unharmed, like they didn't catch fire

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Speaker 5: and didn't create the massive fire that we saw. It

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Speaker 5: was obviously someone on the other who hit the bus

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Speaker 3: Now my understanding is what people were saying was that

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Speaker 3: that long, And that is actually correct, isn't it not?

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Speaker 3: I okay, because what I understand. Let me tell you

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Speaker 3: what I understand. What I understand is that that bus

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Speaker 3: But once they got on the bus, Richard, what they

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Speaker 3: saw was battery packs hanging through the roof, and so

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Speaker 3: they were worried about that. Which vehicles put battery packs

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Speaker 3: in the roof electric vehicles, right, So it's because it

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Speaker 3: So it actually was the fact that it was an

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Speaker 3: batteries that were starting to disintegrate. Actually it was an

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Speaker 3: it was an electric vehicle. Am I wrong?

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure. They always have pretty significant investigations when

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Speaker 3: Because we had this on good authority. So actually, so,

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Speaker 3: actually it was because it was an electric vehicle that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I didn't mention anything on my post about

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Speaker 3: But it hasn't told you. So I told you so

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Speaker 3: because this cannot happen again, Richard. If we have an

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Speaker 5: It's too long, Yeah, and like we need those answers

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Speaker 5: I guess my post was just about I was disappointed

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Speaker 5: pretty incorrect information that the bus caused the crash, that

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Speaker 5: the bus caught on fire first, all this kind of

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Speaker 5: instantly hours after someone passed away. Okay, Yeah, that's all

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Speaker 5: I was sort of pointing out that it was a shame.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, I appreciate you time. Richard Hill's Auckland

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Speaker 3: counselor So, if you thought it was because it was

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Speaker 3: So they suspended her. But and that we could see

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Speaker 3: But what we did not see coming was the newest

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Speaker 3: So it does seem like it's something of an existential

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Speaker 3: on the twenty twenty six election. Cheers from Darryl. Eighteen

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Speaker 3: Adam Cooper sports talk hosters with me, Hello Coops, Hey

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Speaker 3: Heau All right, Liam Lawson took me through this.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well this is starting to get a little nerve

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Speaker 7: wracking and obviously we want to know exactly where the

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Speaker 7: one set up next year under his Red Bull's team. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 7: it was going to be soon. We thought we'd know.

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Speaker 7: October was the time frame initially put on it via

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Speaker 7: helmeut Marco and the crew at a Red Bull not

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Speaker 7: where Liam Lawson is making headlines for reasons he probably

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Speaker 7: is in a real fight to get another championship title

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Speaker 7: at the end of the season with five or so

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Speaker 7: races left. That's where they're putting all their exsit at

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Speaker 7: the moment here. This so no decision now likely to

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Speaker 7: Lawson and the others chasing these seats until early December,

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Speaker 7: December one, that round of Formula one, so yet quite

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Speaker 3: What you got saying here, coops, have they actually made

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Speaker 7: Well, I just can't see how they have not made

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Speaker 3: Murray Olds is going to be with us out of Australia.

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Speaker 3: Shortly hither did you see the Maori party's billboard truck

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Speaker 1: The name you trumped to get the answers you need,

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicyl and drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: It's the world Wires on News Talks Eddy Drive.

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Speaker 3: Important and Finally, at Texas Police Department has asked people

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Speaker 3: Murray Olds, Australia corresponds with us, Hello, muzz, Good afternoon Heather. Okay,

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Speaker 3: what's happened to this lady on the cruise ship?

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Speaker 10: raping a twelve year old girl when he was a

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Speaker 10: teenager himself. He only served thirteen months of a sentence.

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Speaker 10: The sentencing judge said, back in twenty sixteen, this crime

440
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Speaker 10: of yours, that he admitted his career ending, you'll never

441
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Speaker 10: play for the Netherlands again. But he was back in

442
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Speaker 10: the national team and he, you know about or less

443
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Speaker 10: than two years later, he says, Mary, he's been to

444
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Speaker 10: the Paris Olympic Games. Despite the objections of quite a

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Speaker 10: few other national Olympic committees. They said, you really want

446
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Speaker 10: this guy on your team anyway, he's been banned from

447
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Speaker 10: entering Australia. They've got the World Championships here in November, yes,

448
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Speaker 10: in November, and he will not be part of the team.

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Speaker 10: He has not been given a visa to into Australia.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, listen, what's going on with the miners.

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Speaker 10: Well, it's a very very sad story this. You know,

452
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Speaker 10: it's a dangerous occupation. We all know that. And every

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Speaker 10: time you go below ground it's a risk, right, And

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Speaker 10: this morning about a quarter to four a m way

455
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Speaker 10: out in Coba. It's so remote, way way out west,

456
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Speaker 10: it's about i don't know seven eight hours west or

457
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Speaker 10: northwest of Sydney, and they had the the night shift

458
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Speaker 10: was down underground. There was an explosion. Initial reports said

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Speaker 10: two people had died. They police and other emergency evers

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Speaker 10: got there and they did confirm that one man had

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Speaker 10: died underground. Two women were brought to the surface. One

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Speaker 10: of them was fatally injured though, and she died at

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Speaker 10: the scene. The other one was treated and then she

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Speaker 10: was flown off to hospital and inquiries underway. But you know,

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Speaker 10: it's it is a risk. I mean, you have gas

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Speaker 10: build ups underground. This is a lead mine and a

467
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Speaker 10: zinc mine, so you get gas built ups underground and

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Speaker 10: an explosion is always a possibility and tragedy. This morning

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Speaker 10: it looks like it looks like that precise thing has happening.

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Speaker 3: That's true, right, Thank you, Mars, really appreciate it. Murray

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Speaker 3: Old's Australia correspondent Heather duper Sye Ellen, Heather. When I

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Speaker 3: go to the doctor, it's not fifty dollars, it's one

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Speaker 3: hundred and eight dollars, and that is not the full prices.

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Speaker 3: I'm a subscribed patient gee, so they are getting my

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Speaker 3: capitation payment. Therefore, fifteen million visits is about one point

476
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Speaker 3: six two billion dollars. You're right, the numbers don't add up,

477
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Speaker 3: not at all. Now, as I told you on Friday

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Speaker 3: would happen. You will know if you listen to the show.

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Speaker 3: Didn't surprise you at all to wake up on Saturday

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Speaker 3: and then discover that, in fact, Dave Knowles did get

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Speaker 3: her job back as the netball coach. What I want

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Speaker 3: to know now though, is why what happened? What changed?

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Speaker 14: Right?

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Speaker 3: Because there was an incident apparently, so how did she

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Speaker 3: get her job back? Did she apologize? For the incident

486
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Speaker 3: that she was stood down for. Did the players withdraw

487
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Speaker 3: their complaint? Was there an investigation that in fact clear her?

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Speaker 3: Are there things that have been or was in an

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Speaker 3: investigation that did not clear her? And therefore things have

490
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Speaker 3: had to be put in place in order to prevent

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Speaker 3: this thing from happening again. Because this is weird, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you don't like understand this, Okay. You do

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Speaker 3: not stand down a high profile person from their job

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Speaker 3: for the whole nation to see it happening. You do

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Speaker 3: not do that unless you're going to fire them. So

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Speaker 3: why didn't they fire her?

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Speaker 2: Then?

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Speaker 3: What happened? How did she fight her way back? In

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Speaker 3: the fact that she did not get fired after all

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Speaker 3: of that means somebody made the mistake of standing her down.

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Speaker 3: Because that was a mistake then, wasn't it. So who's

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Speaker 3: going to lose their job after that? Anyway, Jenny Wiley

503
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Speaker 3: is going to be with us after half past five.

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Speaker 3: We'll see what we can find out from her. I'm

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Speaker 3: suspecting not a lot, but we'll try our hardest. Seventeen

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Speaker 3: away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with centric credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: The read the CGT. I'd be very interested to know

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Speaker 3: how the GPS and primary care are going to cope

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Speaker 3: with all the free appointments labor are proposing. Well, actually

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Speaker 3: they've come out and said the question of how clinics

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Speaker 3: will be staffed to meet that demand remains UNA fourteen

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Speaker 3: away from five and Barries, So boun seeing your political

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Speaker 3: correspondence with us, Hallo Barring.

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Speaker 15: Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Well, that was a lineup of very glum people today

518
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Speaker 3: at that announcement.

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Speaker 15: Well they were caught on the hot, weren't they. I mean,

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Speaker 15: it's quite extraordinary when you consider that, you know, the

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Speaker 15: last policy announcement last week that was a cock up

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Speaker 15: as well. Yep, this one leaked to the media and

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Speaker 15: we're told that it was a near unanimous vote in Caukers,

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Speaker 15: So that means some people are opposed to it. And

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Speaker 15: you remember the lates to Michael Cullen, he was the

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Speaker 15: head of the Taxation Working Group set up under Jindar

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Speaker 15: Dun and whilst they recommended a capital gains tax, Michael

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Speaker 15: Cullen himself said that any party that goes into an

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Speaker 15: election promising an increase in taxes really are doing some

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Speaker 15: very great risk to themselves and winning the Treasury benches.

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Speaker 15: And you remember, because I was in the audience when

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Speaker 15: Jacindaurn stood up the front and said we're not going

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Speaker 15: to go with the capital gains tax, and at that

534
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Speaker 15: point everybody had thought they were going to go with one,

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Speaker 15: but they didn't, and I think she listened to the

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Speaker 15: words of Michael Cullen. Nevertheless, so Chris Hipkins, he hasn't

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Speaker 15: been listening to those words, and so he's now very

538
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Speaker 15: frustrated in the way these policy releases have gone. I

539
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Speaker 15: know you're going to be talking to him. They're not

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Speaker 15: going to pay for the doctor's visits initially, you know,

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Speaker 15: the first year it brings in one hundred million dollars. Well,

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Speaker 15: the doctor's visits, as you pointed out earlier on, are

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Speaker 15: much more expensive than that. Very proud Minister of Health

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Speaker 15: Asia Verel, she said, standing so alongside Chris Hipkins today

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Speaker 15: there will be a new medi card and it'll guarantee

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Speaker 15: every New Zealander access to care, whether they were rich

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Speaker 15: or poor.

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Speaker 2: Or town or country, so.

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Speaker 15: Everyone gets it well. A warning was issued though this

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Speaker 15: morning by Chris Hipkins to the person or persons who

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Speaker 15: leaked the policy to the met over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Some of the details came to be in the public

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Speaker 2: domain this morning. I'm very proud to be talking about

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Speaker 2: it now and to be making this announcement now. If

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Speaker 2: it ranspires that it was deliberately released by somebody, and

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Speaker 2: that we find out who that person is, they won't

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Speaker 2: be a member of the Labor Party. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to speculate on how any of the details may have

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Speaker 2: come into the public domain. As I said, there are

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Speaker 2: a lot of people who have been involved in the

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Speaker 2: conversations around our text policy. It's been a very very

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Speaker 2: robust internal process where everybody has had the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: express their various views.

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Speaker 15: So it's incredible when you think because taxation when it

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Speaker 15: comes to a political party is very much a secret

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Speaker 15: of policy area, and this sounds as though it's been

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Speaker 15: sent out to all and sundry. Well, obviously there will

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Speaker 15: be somebody probably disgruntled with it and thought we'll get

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Speaker 15: the thought in the public.

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Speaker 3: Do we know when they planned to announce it.

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Speaker 15: Well, he says, if you listen to Hipkins and I

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Speaker 15: know you're going to be talking to him. He said

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Speaker 15: that they would have been announcing it this week or thereabouts.

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Speaker 15: But about Yes, I think they would have been planning

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Speaker 15: much longer term because tax policy is so important to

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Speaker 15: any political party.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now what is going on with the Maadi Party?

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Speaker 15: Well, like we said last week, this just goes from

579
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Speaker 15: bad to worse. Actually, I mean Rawi White to Tea

580
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Speaker 15: is probably back from his swan song up in China

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Speaker 15: and thinks they had a hui last Thursday unbeknown to

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Speaker 15: most of us, and they passed a number of resolutions.

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Speaker 15: One was to suspend Maromino Karpakinghi from the party. Well,

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Speaker 15: she's saying that essentially it's got no mone of the suspension,

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Speaker 15: the so called suspension she's calling it. And the tek

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Speaker 15: Mparcouter Ferris, well he says that essentially he wouldn't go

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Speaker 15: along with it. So you've got and then you've got.

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Speaker 3: You've got Mudame Not who's a post to the leadership.

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Speaker 3: You've got Tarkuther Harris who opposed to the leadership. Now

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Speaker 3: you've got aldiny kaiper as well.

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Speaker 15: Talking about Cooia and how she would gravitate to cup

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Speaker 15: a key.

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Speaker 3: She believes and she believes.

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Speaker 15: In her and believes you know that she is a

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Speaker 15: wonderful person within the party.

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Speaker 3: Really looks up to her. Sorry, it's potentially breaking in two.

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Speaker 15: Oh totally yeah, I mean you've got three now on three.

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Speaker 15: So what the hell are they going to do? I

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Speaker 15: mean John Tammy, who is at the head of all this,

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Speaker 15: what's he going to do with the party? I mean

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Speaker 15: they're going to go back now and decide how they're

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Speaker 15: going to affect the suspension from the party. Well, if

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Speaker 15: they suspend her, like other MPs in the past, she'll

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Speaker 15: become an independent MP because she's an electorate MP, and

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Speaker 15: she'll serve through to the next election and.

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Speaker 3: No doubt walk a jumper. Sorry they can walk.

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Speaker 15: They could, yeah, they could and get her out of Parliament.

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Speaker 3: But then what are they going to do up Tarkus

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Speaker 3: as well?

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Speaker 15: Well, that's a jumper? Are ready kiper? Before she's even

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Speaker 15: got to no dirty?

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Speaker 3: In part listen happened or the truck? I a truck.

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Speaker 15: It's not a van dilapidated old rust heap, and I'm

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Speaker 15: surprised that it was even listed in the first place.

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Speaker 15: Was listed for five five hundred dollars and it's festooned

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Speaker 15: with Maori Party, very professional sign writing on the whole truck.

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Speaker 15: It's a big truck. It was being sold though. We

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Speaker 15: were told that Turner's on behalf of a finance company

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Speaker 15: because it had been repossessed. Honestly, they say the way

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Speaker 15: it's been operated, stored, or maintained or repaired in a

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Speaker 15: proper and diligent manner, which that hasn't been done so

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Speaker 15: in that manner, and that may affect its condition. Turner's

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Speaker 15: recommended an independent assessment assessment of it. It's in a

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Speaker 15: rough condition. We were told that the cab was dirty

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Speaker 15: and had a musty odor, the clutch Fields wall stop

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Speaker 15: it hello, and it was rusted in a few places.

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Speaker 15: So so what so John drawn from sale?

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Speaker 3: Hell? Did they buy it back?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 3: I don't know what.

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Speaker 15: And I ran Turner's car watch and I spoke to

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Speaker 15: the person who is listed in the air and he said,

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Speaker 15: oh no, I can't talk to you about it, and

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Speaker 15: left to go further up the company. No such light.

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Speaker 3: Hold, we know somebody at Turner's will drop Todd who

636
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Speaker 3: runs the show a line in a minute. Yes, but

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Speaker 3: are you telling me so? They weren't, John timing head

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Speaker 3: in is a lot. Weren't even looking after the vehicle.

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Speaker 15: Clearly, I mean I saw photos if they were trying

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Speaker 15: to sell a vehicle and they showed photos of inside.

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Speaker 15: It looked absolutely filthy.

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Speaker 3: Just needed a dust barry. Thanks very much, appreciate it

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Speaker 3: very so for senior political correspondence. Seven away from.

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Speaker 1: Five, the headlines and the hard questions, it's the Mic

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Speaker 1: Asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 13: By the time you get to waycheck it will be

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Speaker 13: about the US and China. There's some sort of framework,

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Speaker 13: and yes it's important globally, but are they going to

649
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Speaker 13: steal the show?

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Speaker 16: I spoke to Premier League off China this evening about it.

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Speaker 16: They were feeling they had had some sort of the

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Speaker 16: their secretaries and their ministers have done some pre work

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Speaker 16: to sort of calm things down. And for the world's

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Speaker 16: too largest economies, you know, we actually all want them

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Speaker 16: to de escalate and actually get to a better understanding

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Speaker 16: of each other and to get assorted basically so we

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Speaker 16: don't have the chaos and the disruption that we've been experienced.

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Speaker 16: Leap of interest that that's a positive conversation. We'd get

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Speaker 16: to a much more deescalated place, which would be good

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Speaker 16: for the world.

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Speaker 13: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 13: Avida News Talk z be Look, as.

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Speaker 3: I said to you a little bit earlier, the government

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Speaker 3: was that this is Erica. Stanford was releasing the curriculum

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Speaker 3: for years zero to ten for all you know, it's

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Speaker 3: everything outside of maths and English. So it's the CIVIS

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Speaker 3: and it's the financial education and all that kind of

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Speaker 3: stuff in history, which has been broadened out a lot.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that they are also talking about

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Speaker 3: is the sex education, where they're going to really focus

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Speaker 3: on teaching the kids consent. So we are going to

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Speaker 3: talk to Joe Robertson, who's a sex education therapist, in

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Speaker 3: about twenty minutes. Times she's going to run us through

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Speaker 3: her thoughts on that also chippies with us. Just after five,

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Speaker 3: I just say, look, I know this is not being

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Speaker 3: I'm not being I'm not being very responsible saying this

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Speaker 3: because I shouldn't encourage anyone to fight back against thieves,

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Speaker 3: and I don't want because you know, no money is

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Speaker 3: worth your life. But I am thoroughly enjoying the video

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Speaker 3: of the thieves getting smashed by the lady working at

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Speaker 3: the Morning Side Dairy, which is online today. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you've seen it. It's the Livonius store in

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Speaker 3: Morning side. Apparently about just six o'clock last Wednesday, a

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Speaker 3: couple of guys that came in to collect. Now I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you know what that means, but that's

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Speaker 3: where they come to tax you. So they come in

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Speaker 3: and they go, oh, you owe us some money for

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Speaker 3: I don't know what. What do you even over the money for?

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Speaker 3: But anyway, you're supposed to the hand of it. It's

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Speaker 3: like mafia styles, you know, so like heavy you so

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Speaker 3: your hand over the money. Anyway, these guys are like no.

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Speaker 3: And so the two blokes then were like monument and

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Speaker 3: started like just taking stuff off the shelves and walking out. Well,

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Speaker 3: old mate who works there, she, by the way, a

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Speaker 3: lady was not having it. So she just launches this

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Speaker 3: off at one of the guys and starts thumping him

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Speaker 3: and nick minute, he's lying in the doorway by the

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Speaker 3: looks of things, and she's just pummeling him with her fists.

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Speaker 3: The other one's standing there. The other bloke, he's got

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Speaker 3: cans and stuff. He's sort of half heartedly throwing the

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Speaker 3: cans at her try to get her off as mate. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: they then skulkoff looking shamed of themselves because they should be,

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Speaker 3: and then one of them plugs gives her brown eye.

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Speaker 3: That's the best anyway. Good for her, Hero of the week.

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Speaker 3: You shouldn't do this yourself at home, but good for her.

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Speaker 3: Chippy's next.

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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duper cl and drive with one New Zealand to coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else.

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Speaker 4: News dogs d be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. Labor has announced it will introduce a twenty

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Speaker 3: eight percent capital gains tax if it wins the election

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Speaker 3: next year. It's been forced to announce the tax today

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Speaker 3: after it was leaked to media. The tax will apply

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Speaker 3: to residential properties, residential rental properties, commercial properties, second homes,

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Speaker 3: the family home, farms, shares and inheritances will all be exempt.

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Speaker 3: Labour says it will use the money to pay for

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Speaker 3: everyone to have three free GP visits a year, and

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Speaker 3: the Labor Party leader Chris Hopkins is with us. Now,

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Speaker 3: hichippie got Heather? Do you know who lect it?

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Speaker 2: No? I don't. I'm not going to get into that

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Speaker 2: speculation game. I think what New Zealanders need to hear

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Speaker 2: from all of this is that they will be able

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Speaker 2: to go and visit the doctor for free, and that

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Speaker 2: we will pay for that through the introduction of a

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Speaker 2: very simple capital gainstany.

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Speaker 3: When were you planning to announce it.

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Speaker 2: We've had it down to be announced this week anyway.

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Speaker 3: Okay, do you think it was a malicious leak or

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Speaker 3: somebody just getting excited?

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Speaker 2: I just don't know how the information came to be

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Speaker 2: in the public domain. But if it was a malicious

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Speaker 2: leak and we find out who did it, then that

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Speaker 2: person will no longer be a member of the Labor Party.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now do you how sure are you that the

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Speaker 3: CGT is going to pay for the doctor's visits?

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Speaker 2: We're pretty confident on the numbers we've worked. We've had

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Speaker 2: them checked by others. We've done them based on the

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Speaker 2: Text Working Group, the independent Tax Working Group that was

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Speaker 2: set up when we were asked in government, and so

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Speaker 2: that's the modeling that we've used in coming up with

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Speaker 2: the costings for this one.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is for the CGT.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, what about the.

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Speaker 3: Doctor's visits, because it looks to me like you might

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Speaker 3: have got a bit short there. I mean, if you've

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Speaker 3: got four hundred and ninety million set aside, how many

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Speaker 3: doctor's visits is that a year for.

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Speaker 2: Us, so that we don't fund individual doctor's visits. Now,

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Speaker 2: we do subsidize doctor's visits, and we do that through

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Speaker 2: a thing called capitation funding, which means your doctor, when

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Speaker 2: you're enroll in your doctor's practice, they get given bulk

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Speaker 2: funding every year for the number of people that they

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Speaker 2: have enrolled. We've agreed that we will increase that amount

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Speaker 2: in exchange for them not asking for a co payment

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Speaker 2: for your three free doctor's visits each year.

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Speaker 3: Oh so, if I'm paying fifty bucks to go to

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Speaker 3: the doctor you're going to You're not going to spring

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Speaker 3: for the full fifty You're going to spring for a

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Speaker 3: smaller amount.

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Speaker 2: The deal basically is that in order to get their

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Speaker 2: increased funding, doctors will not be able to charge you

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Speaker 2: a co payment.

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Speaker 3: There would you go to You're going to have to

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Speaker 3: bring doctor's visits. Aren't you going to have to give

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Speaker 3: them the fifty I'm giving them.

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Speaker 2: No, because the way the system works, the way the

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Speaker 2: capitation funding works, at the moment, they get a set

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Speaker 2: amount per patient for enrolled patient each year, regardless of

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Speaker 2: whether you visit the doctor or not, and that will continue,

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Speaker 2: but the amount that they get will be increased.

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Speaker 3: How much.

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Speaker 2: Well, there'll be that. That will depend, of course on

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Speaker 2: a range of different factors. So it's an increase to

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Speaker 2: their existing funding, their existing fund.

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Speaker 3: You've got enough here, Chippy, Have you got enough? Because

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Speaker 3: you sound like, yeah, you're a bit shaky on it.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. I mean I didn't do the costings myself.

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Speaker 2: We had those done separately, and they're based on what

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Speaker 2: people are paying now, based on what GP practice as

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Speaker 2: are collecting in co payments at the moment.

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Speaker 3: And then what happens in the first two years, because

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Speaker 3: you don't have enough money coming in for the first

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Speaker 3: two years of the free doctor's visits, you're just going

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Speaker 3: to put that on the credit card.

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Speaker 2: No, the way the Treasury always does, the Treasury deals

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Speaker 2: in four year funding allocations, so they've looked so we

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Speaker 2: have looked at the amount of revenue that the capital

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Speaker 2: gains tax will generate over four years, and then we've

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Speaker 2: looked at the cost of the GP visits over four years,

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Speaker 2: and that's less than the capital gains tax generates during

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Speaker 2: that Okay, so.

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Speaker 3: The average over four years is less. Okay, Now, what

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Speaker 3: do we do for valuation day?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Because we start we start the clock on the first

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Speaker 3: of July in twenty twenty seven, do we have to

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Speaker 3: get valuers in to look at every single batch and

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Speaker 3: every single second property and every single commercial property.

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Speaker 2: So most commercial properties will have a valuation now because

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Speaker 2: they are commercial properties, and so they'll have a valuation already.

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Speaker 2: For residential properties, there are a range of options that

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Speaker 2: the Tax Working Groups set out around how valuation could work,

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Speaker 2: But for most people it will probably be that they'll

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Speaker 2: get a commercial valuation.

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Speaker 3: On the day. Do we have enough valuers.

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Speaker 2: And there's a period of time in which you have

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Speaker 2: to get the valuation done by it'll be over, you know,

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Speaker 2: there'll be a reasonable period of time to do that.

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Speaker 2: The only people who need to get it done immediately,

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Speaker 2: you know, straight away with the people who are selling.

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Speaker 3: Have we got enough values? I'm going to want it

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Speaker 3: to be like as up to the last minute as possible, Right, So,

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Speaker 3: have we got enough values to come in on the

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Speaker 3: first of July twenty twenty seven and value the whole country?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? The Tax Working Group were confident that this would

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Speaker 2: not be a reason. That is not something that would

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Speaker 2: be a barrier. But Tax Working Group had a whole

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Speaker 2: chapter in their report around that, I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: read it.

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Speaker 3: You've read it, it's your policy.

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Speaker 2: Tell me, well, again, there are a range of different

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Speaker 2: options that people can use for their valuations, like what Well,

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Speaker 2: one of them, of course is getting a commercial valuer and.

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Speaker 3: To give you a valuation, which is what everybody's going

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Speaker 3: to want to do. And so if you can't, then

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Speaker 3: what do you do?

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Speaker 2: Well, if you want to sell the property immediately, then

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Speaker 2: you'll be able to get a conventional valuation.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to sell the property immediately to be

831
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Speaker 3: I want the value because that's the starting of the

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Speaker 3: value clock. So what's the alternative.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you're not going to sell the property immediately,

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Speaker 2: then there presumably isn't a panicking you need need to

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Speaker 2: get an evaluation immediately, is it?

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Speaker 3: Well, when am I going to get the valuation?

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Speaker 2: Then well then that's something that you can figure out

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Speaker 2: with the Jimmy.

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Speaker 3: You do understand why I'm trying to get a valuation

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Speaker 3: on the day, right, It's to reduce my eventual tax bills.

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Speaker 3: So everybody's going to want to have evaluation on the day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and value as I'm sure will be able to

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Speaker 2: tell you what the valuation, even if it's some months afterwards.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll be able to tell you what the

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Speaker 2: valuation would be on valuation day.

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Speaker 3: If I put a pool in and I spend one

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty two hundred thousand dollars doing that, do

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Speaker 3: I get that off? My final tax? Is that added

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Speaker 3: to the cost that I paid for.

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Speaker 2: The house improvements? So renovations improvements can be deducted from

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Speaker 2: the you know, the capital gain that you have made.

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Speaker 3: Okay, is their roleover relief?

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Speaker 2: It depends on the circumstances. So if in the case

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Speaker 2: of inheritance, for example, then there is no rollover relief

855
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Speaker 2: because any tax burden that would be otherwise payable is extinguished,

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Speaker 2: you know, on the person passing away, so there is

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Speaker 2: no rollover relief there. In the case of say a

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Speaker 2: couple separating, where you have the property jointly between the

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Speaker 2: two of you and one couple at one half of

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Speaker 2: the couple ends up taking on the property and continuing

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Speaker 2: with it, then yes, there is a rollover relief in

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Speaker 2: those And in the.

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Speaker 3: Cases of the purchasing of a commercial building, you're selling

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Speaker 3: your old when you're buying a new one. Is their

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Speaker 3: roleover relief?

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Speaker 2: That's something. Yes, there is an ability to basically to

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Speaker 2: recycle your capital.

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Speaker 3: Okay, is it inflation adjusted?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean? Is it inflatation adjusted?

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Speaker 3: Well, if you buy a house. Let's say you buy

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Speaker 3: a house today, right, and it's two million dollars two million?

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Speaker 3: If it's not inflation adjusted for let me give you

873
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: a real here's an example that was seen to move.

874
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: I think is the best example. So let's say you

875
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: buy an asset in two thousand for ten million dollars, right,

876
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: and then you sell it today for twenty million dollars.

877
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: On paper, you've made ten million dollars, So you should

878
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: be taxed on the ten million dollars.

879
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: Yes, I see what you're saying.

880
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 3: But the ten million dollars in two thousand is now

881
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: actually eighteen and a half million dollars twenty years later,

882
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 3: so you'd only be taxed on the one and a

883
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: half million dollars between the eighteen and a half to

884
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 3: the twenty that you sold it at.

885
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is not inflation.

886
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: Should it be inflation adjusted?

887
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: That is not in our policy?

888
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: Why not?

889
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 2: Well, basically because we keept it as simple as possible.

890
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: It's a very simply designed tech system. I think everybody

891
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: can understand the system that we've come.

892
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: Up here, But I mean, can you see how unfair

893
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: that is should be? Because let's say that today a

894
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: house in Auckland is two million dollars. But you know,

895
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 3: let's say, for the purposes of this, you go back

896
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: fifty years and you paid two hundred thousand dollars on it.

897
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 3: You're going to get a whopping big tax bill because

898
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 3: it's not inflation adjusted.

899
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: Remember we've kept it very simple, Heather, I'm not. It's

900
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: it only applies to future capital gains, so it doesn't

901
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 2: apply retrospectively, so only on the gains that you're making

902
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: the from the first of July twenty twenty seven. So

903
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: give any capital countries collect spirit.

904
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: But given the country's collective experience with inflation eating away

905
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: your wealth, do you not think this should be inflation adjusted?

906
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: I think we're keeping it very simple so that everybody

907
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: understands how it's going to work. Is a valuable to people?

908
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: They go on, then tell me, do you really think

909
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 3: that most people want a capital gains tax?

910
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: I think New Zealanders understand that we can't keep going

911
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: the way we go and we can't keep plowing all

912
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 2: of our savings into residential rental properties and not invest

913
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: in productive businesses.

914
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 3: And so much harder their own home, haven't you.

915
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: No, I don't agree here there. I think that New

916
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: Zealanders want to see us keep our talent here in

917
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 2: New Zealand and not forcing young New Zealanders overseas.

918
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Speaker 3: All right, Hey, thanks very much for your time. Chris

919
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: Hopkins Labor Party lead to sixteen past five. Hey, here's

920
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: something a little bit mysterious for you. I've told you

921
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 3: that the bids most talked about vehicles are coming soon, right,

922
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 3: But what I haven't been able to tell you is

923
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: anything about the pricing. So what you want to do is,

924
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 3: on Thursday, the sixth of November, at seven o'clock at night,

925
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 3: you want to tune into Ecotricity's YouTube channel and you're

926
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 3: going to find out the pricing and the specs are

927
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 3: going to be released. It's going to be open for

928
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 3: pre sales for three new models, the Atto one, the

929
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 3: Atto two and the c Line five. And as I

930
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: told you last week, the word is that when we

931
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Speaker 3: do find out what the pricing is, the Atto one

932
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Speaker 3: is expected to be the most affordable EV in New Zealand.

933
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 3: And if that's true, which of course it is. It's

934
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Speaker 3: going to be a really big moment for evs because

935
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Speaker 3: it will be the moment when evs become cheaper than

936
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 3: the petrol or diesel competitors. So, as I said, you

937
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 3: are going to want to tune into the Eco Tricity

938
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Speaker 3: YouTube channel on Thursday six November at seven pm and

939
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Speaker 3: you can also check it all out at byd Auto

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Speaker 3: dot co dot NZ. Heather due for c Allen nineteen

941
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Speaker 3: past five. Here that does Chippy realize it costs around

942
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 3: one thousand dollars for a commercial registered valuation any Probably not,

943
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 3: I would say, judging by the answers nineteen past five. Now,

944
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: the new curriculum for years ten to A zero to

945
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: ten rather has just been released and it includes sex said,

946
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Speaker 3: and that includes consent being taught to kids as young

947
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Speaker 3: as five. Joe Robertson is a sex and relationship therapist

948
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: and is with us. Now, Hey Joe, Hi, Now look

949
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: I've had a look at this and it seems to

950
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: me like a pretty smart way of starting the kids

951
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 3: to you know, learning about this year one, two, three,

952
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 3: It teaches them about keeping themselves safe, four or five sex,

953
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: It teaches them about keeping other people safe. Is that

954
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 3: about the way you should be doing it?

955
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 17: Ah, I think, to be honest, I'm attached disappointed. You know,

956
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 17: they don't use the word consent until year three. They

957
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 17: don't use the word bodies till year four, and they

958
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 17: don't use the word genet or till year eight. So

959
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 17: I'm concerned that they're using really vague terminology. They're giving

960
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 17: vague guidelines, but not where it's actually going to make

961
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 17: a difference, which is in what we need kids to

962
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 17: know that if somebody touches their body that that's sexual

963
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 17: harm and it's not okay. So for me, it doesn't

964
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 17: quite meet the mark.

965
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 3: When do you think you start teaching kids like no

966
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 3: one should touch your privates?

967
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 17: Oh, from when they can speak. You know, most of

968
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 17: our two year olds are three year olds. They're asking

969
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 17: about bodies, they're touching their siblings' bodies, they're touching your body,

970
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 17: you know, and so that's the beginning of consent education.

971
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 17: So to not use the word consent until year three

972
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Speaker 17: is which is my son's in year three, he's eight.

973
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 3: That feels really late to me. Yeah, okay, what about

974
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: the digital stuff, you know, teaching the kids about sending

975
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 3: each other nudies and stuff like that. When does that happen?

976
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 17: Yeah, So they've put it at year eight, so they've

977
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 17: said this is the time to talk about porn. They've

978
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 17: talked about sharing nud images and what is and is

979
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 17: it okay? And and I'm glad about that. I think

980
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 17: the piece that's worrying for me again is that the

981
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Speaker 17: average age that a child in New Zealand sees porn

982
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Speaker 17: will be twelve, So you've got about fifty percent of them.

983
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 3: Prior to year eh.

984
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 17: Seeing that you don't have to use the word porn

985
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 17: to talk about sexual content online, so you can talk

986
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 17: about it younger than that. You can say things like

987
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 17: if you.

988
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: See videos or photos of people online without their clothes on.

989
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 17: So there were ways that they could do that without

990
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 17: being explicit, but they've chosen not to.

991
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 3: All right, Joe listen, thanks very much. I really appreciate

992
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: your take on there. That's Joe Robinson's sex and relationship therapist. Okay,

993
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: let me tell you the texts are going hot and

994
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: it's not good for labour. So we'll get to that shortly.

995
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: Five point twenty two.

996
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

997
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home.

998
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 4: It's Heather duplicl and drive with one. New Zealand.

999
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: Had the power of satellite mobile news talks, they'd be hither.

1000
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: At the moment, we're waiting two months plus for evaluation.

1001
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: And that's before we get into the CGT stuff. I'll

1002
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: get to the texts and a tack five twenty five.

1003
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: Before I get to that, though, Can I just point

1004
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: out that we missed a really big birthday last week,

1005
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: which is on Friday, the twenty fourth of October, the

1006
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 3: United Nations turned eighty. Now, I know, like you do,

1007
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 3: there are some birthdays, especially with a big zero at

1008
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 3: the end, that you really don't want to mark, and

1009
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 3: this feels like one of them, because I feel like

1010
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: the last time the UN had this much of a

1011
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 3: reputational issue was maybe back in the Rwanda genocide of

1012
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: the nineties when they were warned that the massacre was

1013
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 3: about to happen and they ignored it and actually let

1014
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: it happen. That is the last time I think things

1015
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 3: have been as bad as they are right now for

1016
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: the UN, because this time the problem is they just

1017
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: got busted a couple of years ago with their own

1018
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: staff crossing the border of Gaza into Israel and slaughtering

1019
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 3: innocent people is And what I'm trying to tell you

1020
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: is they were employing terrorists. And while that has either

1021
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: largely been forgotten by most people around the world, even

1022
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: though it only happened a couple of years ago, Israel

1023
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: hasn't forgotten it. Israel is still pretty dark on the

1024
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: United Nations, and for that reason, in various others, they

1025
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 3: will not let the UN into Gaza to distribute aid,

1026
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: which is not a great look for the UN because

1027
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 3: the UN is basically being sidelined as people starve. Now,

1028
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: that's not even to mention the fact that we have

1029
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: more war on at the moment than most of us

1030
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: can remember in our lifetimes when the UN was a

1031
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: stabled to prevent war, and that while that happens, while

1032
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 3: Russia keeps on pounding Ukraine day after day, and Gaza

1033
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 3: remains a very delicate situation. The boss of the UN

1034
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: has got himself distracted today by trying to control world temperatures,

1035
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: which is probably well, it's absolutely well intentioned, but it

1036
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 3: is absolutely the UN straying outside of its lane, isn't it?

1037
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: Like it has in so many ways? Now, I won't

1038
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 3: ignore the good the UN has done for the world.

1039
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 3: It's fed people, it's inoculated people, it's brought people together

1040
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 3: to keep the peace in a whole bunch of situations.

1041
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 3: But right now I would say the UN's in one

1042
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 3: of its darker times, and a birthday is probably best

1043
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 3: ignored lest it draw attention to what the UN has

1044
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: become of late.

1045
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 4: Ever due for see Ellens Hither.

1046
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: I've never been a Hipkins fan, but by his standards,

1047
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 3: that was a train smash into view. He's getting worse. Hither,

1048
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 3: that was as close to a train wreck. Tax policy

1049
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 3: as I've ever heard. That's from Frank Hither. If CGT

1050
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: is not inflation adjusted as just an absolute, a blatant grab.

1051
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 3: I'm not against a fair and balanced CGT, but to

1052
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: not allow for inflation is the work of a grifter.

1053
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: Good luck getting people to vote for that good luck

1054
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: in the first place. Heither, So Chippy wants us to

1055
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: pay for evaluation that we don't want, for attacks that

1056
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: we don't want. Is the valuation deductible too? Heather Absolute

1057
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 3: amateur hour with Chippy. Cheers Pete. Heather. Chippy uses the

1058
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: word simple over and over again, but that sounded complicated.

1059
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 3: Flawed and full of loopholes. I am stoked because it

1060
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: means labor are not going to get anywhere near power

1061
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 3: for another three years. Heather, do they realize Mum and dad,

1062
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: landlords like us are just going to sell our intols

1063
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 3: Now I think this is going well for labor? What

1064
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 3: do you think? Anyway? I tell you who else is

1065
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 3: also not having a great time? Netball New Zealand. They

1066
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 3: with us next news talks.

1067
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 2: They'd be.

1068
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 4: Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

1069
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: It's Heather, duper cell and drive with one New Zealand

1070
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: coverage like no one else news talks.

1071
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 10: They'd be.

1072
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 3: As per usual we have, well it's not as per usual.

1073
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: It's usually on a Monday, but it's a long weekend.

1074
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Speaker 3: So today Tuesday, we're going to have the Finance Minister,

1075
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Speaker 3: Nichola Willis with us after six o'clock. I also have

1076
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 3: to get you across what the NBR has just done,

1077
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 3: which is they've just crack down on a whole bunch

1078
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 3: of organizations sharing a password. You know where you get

1079
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 3: one password and you'll let fifty people at work use it.

1080
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 3: You can't do it anymore. They're with us in an

1081
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 3: hour's time. To talk us through it. Twenty five away

1082
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 3: from six now, as I told you on Friday, would happen.

1083
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: Dame Nolan Toto has been reinstated as the Silver Fern's

1084
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 3: head coach. She's back immediately, but she won't actually take

1085
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 3: up coaching until the end of the year, after the

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Speaker 3: Northern Tour is over. Jenny Wiley is the chief executive

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Speaker 3: of Netball New Zealand. Hi Jenny, Hi, Heather. Okay, can

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Speaker 3: you tell us now why you stood her down?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 14: I think it's been well documented that we had player

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Speaker 14: concerns raised and without what to work through. Oh. Look,

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Speaker 14: these are confidential concerns. We're a workplace like anywhere else,

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Speaker 14: and play athletes and employees need to be able to

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Speaker 14: raise things knowing they'll be retained in confidence. So we're

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Speaker 14: treating it no differently to any any workplace.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So has she apologized for the things that they

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Speaker 3: raised concerns over.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think it's acknowledged that these concerns were things

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Speaker 14: that I personally, as CE could not walk past, and

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Speaker 14: that means that we all need to acknowledge that these

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Speaker 14: were legitimate for the people that raised them. And what

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Speaker 14: we're really pleased about is we've been able to reach

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Speaker 14: were going to work through.

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Speaker 3: Those Has she apologized for those things?

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Speaker 14: Well, Knowles has not been in that environment, So being

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Speaker 14: able to get in front of those players after the

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Speaker 14: Northern Tour and work through these things will no doubt

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Speaker 14: entail an acknowledgment of the concerns and in particular, how

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Speaker 14: we're going to move forward.

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Speaker 3: So she has acknowledged that those complaints were legit.

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Speaker 14: I think she's acknowledged that, you know, in a high

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Speaker 14: performance environment there is a balance that needs to exist

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Speaker 14: between how do you find the edge but also who

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Speaker 14: people are, and I think we've been working on how

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Speaker 14: do we keep that balance top of mind for the

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Speaker 14: well being of these athletes. So being able to acknowledge

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Speaker 14: that concerns exist and that we're going to work through

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Speaker 14: them has been, you know, a really important factor for everyone.

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Speaker 3: So she has acknowledged she was wrong.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think you will need to speak to Knowles

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Speaker 14: about what she plans on acknowledging or not with her athletes.

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Speaker 3: But hold on a take. In order for you guys

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Speaker 3: to bring her back, you must have had some acknowledgment

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Speaker 3: from her. Has she acknowledged to you that she's wrong.

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Speaker 14: She has acknowledged that concerns exist in the environment, but

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Speaker 14: she is also in a place where she is working

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Speaker 14: with us on how do we move forward and put

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Speaker 14: the right process is in place.

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Speaker 3: Has she acknowledged she was wrong?

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Speaker 14: I think she's acknowledged that concerns have existed in that environment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so she's acknowledged that there are concerns. We

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Speaker 3: know there are concerns because the concerns were raised. Has

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Speaker 3: she acknowledged that she was wrong? If she hasn't acknowledged

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Speaker 3: that she was wrong, have you guys cleared her.

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Speaker 14: Look, we have worked through a process with her, and

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Speaker 14: we have acknowledgment of these issues. These are things that

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Speaker 14: high performance environments work around all the time.

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Speaker 3: Uncleared Jenny and she had this. Looks to me, So

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Speaker 3: are you going to go to the players and tell

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Speaker 3: them that they were wrong to raise this?

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Speaker 14: Not at all? Not at all. I think everyone is saying,

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Speaker 14: so the players were concerns that we're we are saying

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Speaker 14: that the player concerns have been listened to, we are

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Speaker 14: putting processes in place.

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Speaker 3: What are those processes.

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Speaker 14: Well, there's there's a number of things. So we've got

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Speaker 14: the period between now and year end to be able

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Speaker 14: to talk about what well being frameworks need to exist

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Speaker 14: to strengthen play a voice. We'll be using specialists from

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Speaker 14: throughout the sporting system. So I think sport has a

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Speaker 14: bit of a past or a checkered pass of how

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Speaker 14: we deal with player concerns or athlete wellbeing or coach wellbeing.

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Speaker 14: So there's heaps of learnings that we're going to put

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Speaker 14: in place, and then we're going to determine how do

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Speaker 14: we roll these out into our environment.

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Speaker 3: A bit of a working group from that place to

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Speaker 3: stop whatever it is that Noles did last time from

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Speaker 3: happening again.

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Speaker 14: Yep, We've got the next three months as a working

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Speaker 14: party on these frameworks that we believe need to be true.

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Speaker 14: We have some processes already that are in development, but

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Speaker 14: we need to be able to have player voice in that.

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Speaker 14: At the moment, those players are in a campaign and

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Speaker 14: so we need to be able to introduce the right

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Speaker 14: mechanisms to hear what the players need. We need the player.

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Speaker 3: Realizing to any normal person, this just sounds like a

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Speaker 3: crop right now.

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Speaker 14: You know that ain't well, well, I think it's not.

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Speaker 14: I mean, our intention is to be able to ensure

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Speaker 14: that our system is stronger as a result of this,

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Speaker 14: and we do believe that we've got processes that we're

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Speaker 14: going to be able to put into place and ensure

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Speaker 14: that strengthening of voice around the around the table for everyone.

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Speaker 3: So what this looks like to any normal person is

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Speaker 3: Nole's got stood down. Nothing has actually changed, She's got

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Speaker 3: brought back. Somebody made the wrong decision to stand her down.

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Speaker 3: Then who stood her down?

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Speaker 14: So the Nipbor New Zealand board took the decision that

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Speaker 14: because we were unable to reach agreement, So that needed

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Speaker 14: to be true, Big Compennan.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, did Matt win a Ray stand her down?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 14: If the Nipple New Zealand board took that decision.

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Speaker 3: The entire board and.

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Speaker 14: The board took that decision, yea.

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Speaker 3: And they made a mistakes because you guys have stood

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Speaker 3: you stood down a world class coach for two months

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Speaker 3: and then you've just brought her back and nothing has changed.

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Speaker 3: So that says that standing her down was a mistake.

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Speaker 2: Am I right?

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Speaker 14: Not at all? No, we were unable to reach a

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Speaker 14: mutual agreement the changes that were needed in that environment

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Speaker 14: in the heat of going into test matches. So that's

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Speaker 14: what we've been working on in the last two months,

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Speaker 14: is reaching that agreement about the changes that were needed

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Speaker 14: in the system and in the sul furs In story.

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Speaker 14: And to ensure that.

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Speaker 3: You haven't you haven't reached any agreement, there is going

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Speaker 3: to be like some working group that's going to be

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Speaker 3: set up for the next few months to do it.

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Speaker 3: So you've brought her back without even that being decided.

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Speaker 14: Well, what we do have is our interim coaches will

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Speaker 14: remain excuse me, with the Ferns over the next few

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Speaker 14: months and that allows us that time to work when

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Speaker 14: we're not in a player facing environment, to sure up

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Speaker 14: the systems that will be required and will provide the

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Speaker 14: safeguards for everybody.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jenny, thanks for your time. I do appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I'm good luck with everything. Jenny Wiley, Chief Executive Netborn,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, eighteen away from six The.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your one

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Speaker 1: of the guys huddle.

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Speaker 3: With you this evening. Joseph Guaney, the CEO of Child Fund,

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Speaker 3: and Trishurst and Shirson Willis p are High you too. Hello, Right,

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Speaker 3: let's deal with the CGT now. I would say, Josie,

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Speaker 3: it's a vote repellent. What do you think.

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Speaker 18: Well, if you go out and say do you.

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00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 19: Want a capital gains tax? Of course everyone's going to

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Speaker 19: go no. I mean, no one likes paying tax. Right,

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Speaker 19: But if you go out and ask people, do you

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00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 19: want to pay more tax on your income to pay

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Speaker 19: for the services and the massive deficit that the government's

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Speaker 19: got and the massive debt and the fact that we're

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Speaker 19: all getting older and so on and so on and

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Speaker 19: so on. Right, In other words, if you if you

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Speaker 19: frame the question differently, which is a more realistic framing,

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Speaker 19: I don't want to pay more income tax. Do you

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Speaker 19: want people who are making income from capital gains on

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Speaker 19: property that a tax, not tax at all at the moment,

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00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 19: and it's still income. Do you want that income to

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00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 19: be treated the same as your wages? Then the answer

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00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 19: will probably be yes. So I do think if you

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Speaker 19: if you're going to say you don't want a capital

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00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 19: gains tax, the point about tax is that someone has

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Speaker 19: to pay more tax if you're not going to tax property.

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Speaker 19: That's been the truth for a long long time. And

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Speaker 19: so that's the real question, Heather, not do you want

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00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 19: a capital gains tax? But you know, do you want

1239
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 19: the services that tax pays for? And if we're going

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Speaker 19: to need more money, do you want to pay.

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Speaker 18: Or do you want others to pay?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm going to reframe it, Trisha, Would you

1243
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: like to pay a capital gains tax so that we

1244
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 3: can pay for really rich people to go to the

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00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 3: doctor three times a year for free?

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Speaker 18: Well, no, I absolutely don't. I don't think a case

1247
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 18: has been made today for a capital gains tax. And

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Speaker 18: this isn't the kind of capital gains tax that has

1249
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Speaker 18: been talked about in the past, which is a way

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Speaker 18: of sort of rebalancing the tax system. I think there's

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Speaker 18: a couple of things that stuck out to me. One is,

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Speaker 18: if you take last week's sort of future fund announcement

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00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 18: from Labor that wasn't very well handled. If you take

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Speaker 18: the fact that this policy was then leaked and it

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Speaker 18: had to be rushed out today, and then you look

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Speaker 18: at the policy itself, it's way too complicated. It's confused again,

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Speaker 18: it's trying to do too many things.

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Speaker 3: I think the.

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Speaker 18: Question is heating up around whether or not Chris Hipkins

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Speaker 18: will retain the leadership heading into the next election. Really,

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Speaker 18: I absolutely do I think that these first policy outings

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Speaker 18: have been bad for Labor. I don't think they'll get

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Speaker 18: them a boost in the post in the polls, and

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Speaker 18: I think it probably will raise questions in the party

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Speaker 18: about whether they should have done the work, not only

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Speaker 18: the policy work sooner, but the work around, whether or

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Speaker 18: not Chris Hipkins is their best is their best bet.

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Speaker 18: But I also think again, you know, this is back

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Speaker 18: to the Labor Party that people got so frustrated with

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Speaker 18: over six years, because it's all about government meddling. So

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Speaker 18: you've got this very narrow CGT and then you're saying

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Speaker 18: we're going to ring fence it, and then it goes

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Speaker 18: over to here to some medic card and then there's

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Speaker 18: free GP visits. Well, you know Auckland is remember the

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00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 18: Auckland Regional Fuel Tax which was supposed to be ring

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Speaker 18: fenced for Auckland regional infrastructure, and we are not one

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Speaker 18: meter of road further on having paid that and now

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Speaker 18: thankful let springscrat.

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Speaker 3: Having hang on, Josey, everything you're about to say, I

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Speaker 3: want to hear after the break hang on fourteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Six the huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty the

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Speaker 1: global leader in luxury real estate.

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Speaker 3: Well the wea from six go go, Josie.

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Speaker 19: Well, one thing I was going to say is I

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Speaker 19: wish they'd made it for free GP visits, because saying

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Speaker 19: three free GP visits is really really hard.

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Speaker 18: But that's that's by the bye.

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Speaker 19: Look, whatever you think of Tippy as the Labor leader,

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Speaker 19: whatever you think of the Labor Party, this is not

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Speaker 19: some kind of you know, socialist extreme tax system. I

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00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 19: mean this is this is a more conservative version of

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Speaker 19: capital game tax than just about every other country has.

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Speaker 19: And I still think if you if you're going to

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Speaker 19: say no to something as targeted and small as this,

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Speaker 19: you have to say, how are you going to answer

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Speaker 19: Treasury who said that in order to pay our bills,

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Speaker 19: our debt are deficit and the costs of the fact

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Speaker 19: we're all getting older, we're going to need retirement. You know,

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Speaker 19: they're suggesting that the options are we increase the retirement

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Speaker 19: age to seventy two, or we increase GST to thirty

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Speaker 19: two double its, or you cut spending. But I don't

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Speaker 19: think there's a I think you can cut some spending,

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Speaker 19: weathers efficiencies to make, but there's not a lot of

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Speaker 19: fat there. Heather I mean even you know everybody.

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Speaker 3: I think Joe's we are currently paying for third year

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Speaker 3: university students to go to university for free because it

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Speaker 3: was a policy one time. It doesn't even make any sense.

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Speaker 3: There's heaps, that's right, but.

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Speaker 19: There's not heaps of it. I don't think there's heaps

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Speaker 19: of it. I think there's still in the national part

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Speaker 19: National government. The Coalition government have done a job trying

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Speaker 19: to cut as much as they can. So I don't

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Speaker 19: think if you asked Nikola Willis today what else can

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Speaker 19: you catch, you would say, We're pretty We're pretty much

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Speaker 19: cut all the fat we can. So you've still got

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Speaker 19: to answer. Do you increase the retirement at to a

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Speaker 19: ridiculous seventy two or GST double it to thirty two percent?

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Speaker 19: Or do you tax all income the same and give

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Speaker 19: a break to wage journals and tax those who make

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Speaker 19: money out of property and don't pay tax on the

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Speaker 19: capital is you have to make a choice.

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Speaker 3: So is there anything you want to say before we

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Speaker 3: move on to something else? I feel like I'm happy

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Speaker 3: to move on.

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Speaker 18: No my right of reply, I think that I do.

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Speaker 18: I do think that argument is flawed though, because again,

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Speaker 18: look at the quantum that this will raise, and in

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Speaker 18: the scheme of things, it's not enough to be transformational

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Speaker 18: or address any of those big structural challenges. Again, it's

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Speaker 18: kind of it's a peanuts under the cup kind of

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Speaker 18: an exercise.

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Speaker 3: I do think. So all right, what do you think, Trishia.

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Speaker 3: I just want to quick take from me to you.

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Speaker 3: What do you think is going on with Saparty Maori?

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Speaker 3: How does this thing ends? That with nutrition?

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Speaker 18: Yes, I mean, who knows where this is going to end?

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Speaker 18: But I think it is just getting more and more

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Speaker 18: into an absolute maya of mismanagement. It's not even two

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Speaker 18: weeks ago that Party Maori leadership fronted up in Parliament

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Speaker 18: and said, hey, we're having a reset. We've heard everyone

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Speaker 18: and we're getting on with it. And I was just thinking, actually,

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Speaker 18: it was only last year that we had the last

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Speaker 18: MP suspended by a party which was Darling Tana under

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Speaker 18: the Greens. But you know, even even then, the Greens

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Speaker 18: ran a process around that that was public, it was documented,

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Speaker 18: you knew what the stages of it were, even though

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Speaker 18: timings ran over. But here, you know, the leadership of

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Speaker 18: Ta Party Maori is absent. They have not set out

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Speaker 18: a process or a timeline, and also bearing in mind

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Speaker 18: the fact that this is an electric MP that they're

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Speaker 18: dealing with. So again it's different from Darling Tana, who

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Speaker 18: was a listing P. So I think it's just an

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Speaker 18: absolute mess for to party, MARII and it's a real

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Speaker 18: shame actually for all of their constituents that that the

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Speaker 18: party seems to be falling apart at the scenes in

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Speaker 18: this way.

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Speaker 3: Okay, jose I'm coming back to you with somebody's text.

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Speaker 3: What about we scrap acc. Not every country has an acc.

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Speaker 19: Why would we do that? You want to go back

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Speaker 19: to period where we've got.

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Speaker 14: But who every time?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, like every time you arrive in a city in

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Speaker 19: the US, the massive billboard saying lawyer available.

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Speaker 18: You had an accident at work?

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Speaker 3: Great? Just that, well, you asked for an idea. I

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Speaker 3: would I'd rather scrape ACC than have a CGT. Anyway, listen, guys,

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Speaker 3: we'll leave it. Thank you so much. Joseph Ganny shares

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Speaker 3: in our heart of this evening.

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Speaker 1: Seven away from six, it's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive

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Speaker 1: Full Show podcast Hard Radio powered by NEWSTALKSZB.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 3: The government spending is now thirty two percent of the

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Speaker 3: economy compared to twenty seven percent under Bill English. So

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Speaker 3: how can Josie say there's no fat to cut Heather.

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Speaker 3: People need to remember that this CGT is actually the

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Speaker 3: trojan horse. The end goal is a comprehensive capital gain tax,

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Speaker 3: which is easier to achieve with the targeted beachhead in place,

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Speaker 3: which is bang on. I mean, if you think this

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Speaker 3: is where it ends, you're dreaming right. It starts. It's

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Speaker 3: like the bright line test that JK. Browden john Key

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Speaker 3: starts at two years, Nick minute, Grant makes it five years,

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Speaker 3: then Grant makes it ten years, then it gets wound back.

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Speaker 3: But this is it's in. Then it starts to expand. Hither,

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Speaker 3: you've legit had just two You've legit just had two

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Speaker 3: interviews in the last forty five minutes with people who

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Speaker 3: don't have any faith in what they're saying. Chippy and

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Speaker 3: Jenny the Sex Lady was by far the most confident speaker,

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Speaker 3: for sure, thank you will. She actually didn't know what

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Speaker 3: she was talking about. She didn't have to worry about

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Speaker 3: too much there. Oh, by the way, four away from

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Speaker 3: six Edu Kappa KINGI I just I see this has

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Speaker 3: just popped up in the Herald Kupa Kinghi is now

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Speaker 3: taking legal action or has at least got lawyers involved

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Speaker 3: with what he says is against the Maori Party, some

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Speaker 3: false court at all about his family, which I think,

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Speaker 3: I think most of us would call defamation possibly. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: did you see. I don't know about you, but I

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Speaker 3: have this. I quite enjoy the letters to the editor

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Speaker 3: because people make some really great little points in there.

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Speaker 3: And Stephen from Birkenhead wrote one to the editor over

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Speaker 3: the weekend and said, is the Chase New Zealand really

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Speaker 3: Kiwi Television? And he said the Chase quiz show has

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Speaker 3: made under license to an English entertainment company. It has

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Speaker 3: been filmed in an Australian television studio. The chases are

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Speaker 3: English and Australian. The quiz master, Paul Henry, now resides

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Speaker 3: in Palm Springs in the United States, and the contestants

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Speaker 3: have to pay for their own air fare to Sydney.

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Speaker 3: So is it really Key Wee after all? Which is

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Speaker 3: a fair point to make. Clearly, nothing about it is

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Speaker 3: Kiwi at all other than the fact it's going to

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Speaker 3: play on TV and Z. But lots of other things

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Speaker 3: that aren't Key We play on TV and z anyway,

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Speaker 3: listen got me wondering would you pay for your own

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Speaker 3: airfare to go to Australia to appear on the show?

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Speaker 2: Would you?

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Speaker 3: Because if I was completely honest with you, I would.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't you just to be in that? It'll be quite fun.

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Speaker 3: It's the chase. The chase is fantastic. Anyway, Nikola, how much.

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Speaker 2: Would it cost you?

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Speaker 3: I pay for some airfairs to Melbourne recently and in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. You're not wanting to book with them? I

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Speaker 3: think anyway. Nikola Willis is with us next News to

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Speaker 3: the TV.

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Speaker 1: Keeping track of where the money is flowing. The Business

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Speaker 1: Hour with hand the duels Alan and Mass for insurance

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Speaker 1: investments and Kiwye Saber, you're in good hands.

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Speaker 4: News talks that'd be.

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Speaker 3: Evening coming up in the next hour. Jamie McKay on

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Speaker 3: how the farmers down south are fairing the NBR owner

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Speaker 3: on him forcing the subscribers to pay more for the

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Speaker 3: passwords they're sharing. And we're going to head to the

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Speaker 3: UK as well as seven PAS six and with us

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Speaker 3: now is Nichola Willis the Finance Minister High Nikola.

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Speaker 9: Hi, Heather, I listened to your interview with Chris Hipkins,

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Speaker 9: and I'd just like to point out to him page

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Speaker 9: eight of his own policy which he released today, which

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Speaker 9: said that commercial and residential properties will get an opening.

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Speaker 18: Value on valuation day.

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Speaker 9: So his policy is already falling apart because that is

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Speaker 9: actually what it says, and he didn't know that detail.

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Speaker 9: He also said that if you sell a commercial property,

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Speaker 9: you won't pay CGT if you buy a new one. Well,

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Speaker 9: that's completely different from what the Tax Working Group said,

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Speaker 9: which means their costings have already fallen apart.

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Speaker 3: Right, So this is the rollover relief. So are you

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Speaker 3: saying that this means that the do you think that

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Speaker 3: they have in factored this into their own numbers?

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Speaker 9: No, I think that he's making it up as he

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Speaker 9: goes along. This is classical labor. This is half baked.

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Speaker 2: It's key.

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Speaker 9: We build like it's Oh look, here's an extra tax.

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Speaker 9: It will solve all the world's problems. Well, because the

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Speaker 9: Zeelanders are smart, because Nicola.

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Speaker 3: I think so. Do you think that they have largely

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Speaker 3: lifted the Tax Working Group's workings here? They've just nicked them.

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Speaker 3: And if we're on their own then they lose money.

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Speaker 9: So based on their own statements today. They've based their

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Speaker 9: costings on the Tax Working Group proposal, and that proposal,

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Speaker 9: if you sold a property and received a gain on it,

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Speaker 9: you would pay a tax. What he said in your

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Speaker 9: interview was if you sold a commercial property, but you

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Speaker 9: then bought a new one, you wouldn't pay tax on

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Speaker 9: the previous sale. That's completely different from what the Tax

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Speaker 9: Working Group said. Now he's either mucked up because he

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Speaker 9: doesn't know his own policy, or his costings have already

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Speaker 9: fallen apart, and this is going to be even more

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Speaker 9: of a disaster than we'd already imagined.

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Speaker 3: So I was going to ask you the first question

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Speaker 3: I was going to be I was going to ask you,

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Speaker 3: was how stoked to you that they've released a capital

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Speaker 3: gains tax policy? I don't think I need to I

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Speaker 3: can hear it in your voice.

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Speaker 18: Well, look, here's the thing.

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Speaker 9: We know that Labor for years has been tempted by

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Speaker 9: this forbidden fruit, which is, let's just tax hard working

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Speaker 9: people more. They love that, but previous prime ministers under

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Speaker 9: Labor have seen that that's ultimately not a good idea.

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Speaker 9: And today Chris Hipkins gave into the temptation. He's dipped

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Speaker 9: his hand into the forbidden cookie jar, and we all

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Speaker 9: know when you do that, you don't stop at one cookie,

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Speaker 9: do you? You keep going. And he's already said today

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Speaker 9: that he's not ruling out additional taxes as part of

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Speaker 9: Labour's broader fiscal plan. So I'm just pleased that New

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Speaker 9: Zealand today can see Labour's alternative for what it is.

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Speaker 9: It's a labor to party Marty Green's government that will

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Speaker 9: tax you more, drive the country further into debt, and

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Speaker 9: put the economy at risk. And we have an alternative

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Speaker 9: which is about building confidence, backing those people with aspiration,

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Speaker 9: backing savers and investors, and ensuring we have a strong

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Speaker 9: economy that benefits us.

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Speaker 3: Now, has in New Zealand's new CEO spoken to you

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Speaker 3: yet about subsidizing the regional roots.

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Speaker 9: No, he hasn't, And I would characterize his comments as

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Speaker 9: more thinking loud than a formal proposal. And I would

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Speaker 9: expect that if your New Zealand were to make a

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Speaker 9: proposal like that, it would be properly thought through. And

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Speaker 9: my first response would be have you done everything you

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Speaker 9: can to get your own house in order commercially? And

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Speaker 9: I'm not convinced at the stage that they have.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon? They're just trying this on because they're

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Speaker 3: going to have to shut down some regional routes by

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Speaker 3: the sounds of things at some stage. And if they

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Speaker 3: do that then they can blame you guys, because you

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Speaker 3: didn't want to subsidize it. Is that what's going on here?

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Speaker 9: Well, here's the thing around the world. There are airlines

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Speaker 9: that are making pretty big profits right now in New

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Speaker 9: Zealand hasn't been. He made those comments off the back

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Speaker 9: of a really poor financial result, and so I guess

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Speaker 9: he's reaching for answers. Well, the answer isn't to take

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Speaker 9: money away from schools, hospitals and other essential public services.

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Speaker 9: The answer is for in New Zealand to deliver its

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Speaker 9: own commercial offering more efficiently and better.

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Speaker 3: Now, I saw last week the Social Media Band Bill

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Speaker 3: has been drawn out of the Biscuit Tin. So when

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Speaker 3: can we expect that to be law?

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Speaker 9: Well, it's been drawn out of the Biscuit Tin, so

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Speaker 9: that means that it will go on the order paper

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Speaker 9: and on the Members Days, which are every second Wednesday,

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Speaker 9: it'll eventually come up for first reading. Then it will

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Speaker 9: go off to a Select Committee for consideration and deliberation.

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Speaker 9: So you shouldn't expect it to be law anytime soon.

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Speaker 3: Oh why not prioritize it?

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Speaker 9: Well, what we're doing is two things. The first is

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Speaker 9: that members bill process, which I think will be constructive

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Speaker 9: and helpful. The other thing is that the government itself

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01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 9: is leading its own work in the area. Erica Stanford

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01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 9: is leading that work, and so I think there could

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Speaker 9: be an opportunity for the government to decide on its

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01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 9: own measures in this area. But I don't want to

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Speaker 9: take away from Catherine Wedd's bill. I think she's putting

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Speaker 9: an important issue on the table that there is a

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Speaker 9: discussion that the public want to have. I know plenty

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Speaker 9: of mum and dads are really worried about the harm

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Speaker 9: that results from kids being online all the time. But

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Speaker 9: how this comes together into a law is you know,

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01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 9: there's a bit of order to go under that bridge.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so is this something you might take to the election?

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Speaker 9: Look potentially, But as I say, there's a government minister

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01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 9: working on these issues right now. But this is a

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01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 9: priority area for national We've heard loud and clear from

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01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 9: mums and dads that they're worried about social media harm

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01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 9: and we do want to do what we can sensibly

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Speaker 9: to address it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now you're not seriously considering shutting down glory of

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01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 3: l are you.

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01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 9: Well, No, what's happening is there's a group of ministers

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01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 9: who are responding to the fact that when the Royal

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01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 9: Commission did its inquiry into abuse and state care, they

1549
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 9: specifically called out the issues of abuse at Gloria Vail

1550
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 9: and pointed to the need for a coordinated approach to

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Speaker 9: that because obviously it's not just an issue for or

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01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 9: rang A Tamariki, it's also an issue for the Ministry

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Speaker 9: of Education, the Ministry for Social Development, a range of

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01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 9: government agencies. So those ministers are responding to that recommendation

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01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:32,679
Speaker 9: by working together with the sole goal of preventing children

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Speaker 9: from being abused or being hearted.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And one of them said, they're not ruling out

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01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 3: shutting it down, but under what law could you possibly

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01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 3: shut it down?

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Speaker 9: Well, I think that there could be particular functions that,

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Speaker 9: if they don't meet the legal requirements, could stop, like schools,

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Speaker 9: for example.

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Speaker 3: But that doesn't shut a community down. You can still

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Speaker 3: homeschool the kids.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right, and so I think shut it down?

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Speaker 9: Can you, Well, we can make sure that the laws

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01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 9: of the land are upheld, and that requires being quite active,

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01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 9: getting in there and seeing what's really happening, working with

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Speaker 9: the leaders to ensure that kids there are safe.

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Speaker 3: Okay, hey, thank you, Nichola, appreciate it. Nichola Willis Finance Minister.

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Speaker 3: What did I say to you at the very start

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Speaker 3: of the show about the NATS loving the capital gains tax?

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01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 3: That tells you everything you need to know. It's a

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Speaker 3: vote repellent for labor.

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Speaker 1: Quarter past It's the Heather Dupercy Allan Drive Full Show

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01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,639
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Speaker 3: Heather off Labor had implemented this CGT plan four years ago,

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Speaker 3: they would not have earned a cent over those four years.

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Speaker 3: According to the ARII and z House stats. Cheers Mark

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Speaker 3: Fairport to make doesn't there'll be no money coming in

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Speaker 3: to pay for those free doctors' visits in the last

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Speaker 3: few years. Eighteen past six.

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Speaker 4: The Rural Report on Heather Dupericy.

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Speaker 3: Allen Jamie mckaye, host of the Countries with Us, Hello,

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01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 3: Jamie good, I hear that right. How's it going down

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01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 3: south with the dairy farms.

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Speaker 6: Oh, it's a bit of a battle to be perfectly honest,

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01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 6: it's not only the dairies. Farmers, the late landing sheep

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01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 6: farmers are getting a bit of a wee bit of

1590
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 6: a pasting now with the out of seasoned snow. You

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01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 6: don't expect snow to be hanging around at the end

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01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 6: of October. But yeah, look, dairy farmers are the biggest

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01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 6: problem because at this time of the year, normally, unless

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01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 6: they're on a once a day milking regime, cows are

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01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 6: milk twice a day. The creatures have habit. When the

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01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 6: power goes off and they can't be milked, they get

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01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 6: very uncomfortable. Indeed, we have seen some cow deaths, certainly

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Speaker 6: animal welfare issues around the likes of mastitis and that

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01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 6: because a lot of these cows have gone on to

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Speaker 6: once a day while they're being milked with the generators.

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Speaker 6: There's still like over two hundred dairy farms. In fact,

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Speaker 6: it's probably more than that without power, including the one

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01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 6: I'm involved with down in western Southland. So this morning's

1604
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 6: numbers are on the power and power need are doing

1605
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,560
Speaker 6: a great job down there. They're probably they've probably alleviated

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01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 6: these a weebit, but six two hundred and fifty customers

1607
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 6: in Southland two and a half thousand and Targo mainly

1608
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 6: southwest Otargo still without power. So it's a real issue.

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01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 6: And I know that the Rural Support Trust are now

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Speaker 6: moving their concerns from animal welfare to human welfare. A

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01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,719
Speaker 6: lot of these farmers are fatigued. They've been going flat

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01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 6: out for four or five days now. They may not

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01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 6: have had showers, proper meals, or even looking after themselves properly.

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01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 6: So look at it. As I said to you, I

1615
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,799
Speaker 6: think on Thursday, when this was just a brand new problem,

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01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 6: it's a problem that's going to take weeks and months

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01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 6: to fix other than day. Some of those some of

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01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 6: the power won't be on on some of those farms

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01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,919
Speaker 6: until the end of the week at earliest.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Jennie, I didn't get enough time with Chippy to

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01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 3: ask him absolutely everything. Do you know the farm is

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01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 3: excluded from the capital gains tax? But do you know

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01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 3: whether that includes things like orchards and horticulturalists and stuff.

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01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 6: Well, yes, i'd assume so, I mean, but let's be

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01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 6: honest with this. This Chippy's cap. I had a good

1626
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 6: debate with Tami and O'Connor on this one. Today it

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01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 6: kind of is a wee bit of taking from the

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01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 6: rich and giving to the rich. Really, when you think

1629
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 6: about it, because people like you and I know you're rich,

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01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 6: and I'm battling away my hardest as I can here,

1631
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 6: but we don't need a free doctors or three free

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01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 6: doctor's appointments in a year. So what are they actually

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01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 6: achieving by this tax. It's a very it's a very

1634
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,799
Speaker 6: narrow tax. As you pointed out on one of your texts,

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01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 6: did it's not going to gather much money. This is

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01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 6: just an exercise, in my humble opinion, and I've been

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01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 6: wrong on numerous occasions before. It's dipping your toe in

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01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 6: the water, flying a kite. This is the tip of

1639
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 6: the iceberg. This is politically palatable. I'll try and get

1640
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 6: this one past the goalie, but watch out New Zealand

1641
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 6: off Chippy taparty Maori and the Greens get elected come

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01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 6: twenty twenty six, it's game on for a really good

1643
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 6: capital gains tax, or maybe even if the Greens or

1644
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 6: to Party Murray get their way, a wealth tax that'd

1645
01:17:59,040 --> 01:17:59,919
Speaker 6: be good for the economy.

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Speaker 3: Agree with you, it's just the start of something. Hey,

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01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 3: thank you very much. Jamie has always appreciated Jamie McKay,

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01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 3: host of the Country. Yeah, okay, now listen, Charles is

1649
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 3: having a distinct time because of what Andrew's doing, isn't

1650
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 3: he He was He was out and about during a

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01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 3: public walk about overnight and he got heckled.

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01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: Oh you learn about Andrew and that space.

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01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 3: Not great because they were hoping that they, being the Royals,

1654
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 3: were hoping that this would have died about nine days

1655
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 3: ago last weekend, like, not this weekend, that just went

1656
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 3: last weekend before that on the Saturday. They were hoping

1657
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 3: when they stripped him of his titles and be the

1658
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 3: end of this. But no, it's still going day nine,

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01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 3: day ten, whatever. The latest is. Prince Andrew has reportedly

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01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 3: agreed to move out of Royal Lodge, so he's happy

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01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 3: to go to Frogmore Cottage, but which is the one

1662
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 3: that has it and megs we're in. But the problem

1663
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 3: is Fergie doesn't want to go to frog More Cottage

1664
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 3: is probably little bit small to be cooped up in

1665
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 3: that house with Andrew, so she Adelaide Cottage, which is

1666
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 3: the mansion that William Cat and the kids currently live in.

1667
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 3: So these two are making the most epic demands of

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01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 3: the royal family will have a chat to Elizabeth Callahan

1669
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 3: caught us to seven. She's in for Ender Brady today

1670
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 3: six twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's Macro microbe for just playing economics. It's all

1672
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and to

1673
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: mass for insurance investments and the Kiwi Safer.

1674
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 4: You're in good hands news talks.

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01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 3: That'd be hey. So, as I was telling you, the

1676
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 3: NBR has got a bit of a win under itspelt.

1677
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 3: They took legal action against companies that they reckon we

1678
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 3: sharing passwords like that buy one NBR subscription and then

1679
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 3: share the password and the logan with all the stuff.

1680
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 3: And so these guys got them to cough up. The

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01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 3: NBR got them to cough up. We're going to talk

1682
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 3: to the owner, Todd Scott, about ten minutes time. Can

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01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 3: I just draw your attention to something that I am

1684
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 3: super uncomfortable about how this has played out. I don't

1685
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 3: know if you remember this, but there was the story

1686
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 3: of a guy in Paremo Remo, not in the prison,

1687
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 3: but just in the suburb north of Auckland, who over

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01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 3: two women and their dogs some time ago and left

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01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 3: them for dead. He's now been named He's a chap

1690
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 3: who has got something to do with an electrical company.

1691
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 3: I mean, he means nothing to me. He's with laser

1692
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 3: plumbing and for nuapie's name of Solomon Barnes. But anyway,

1693
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 3: that's the new thing. But I did not realize when

1694
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 3: I was reading this how what had happened that day

1695
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 3: while he was driving down this road. He was on

1696
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 3: a zoom call, for God's sake, on a zoom call,

1697
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,759
Speaker 3: and then trying to call his mum, so he was distracted,

1698
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 3: did not see the two women and their dogs, ran

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01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 3: into them, kept driving, did not like ran into two

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01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 3: people and didn't go back and check are these people alive?

1701
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 3: Just left them there. They lay there, injured, unable to

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01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 3: do anything. I think one of them must have called

1703
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 3: the sun. The sun came and helped them, called the ambit.

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01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 3: It would have been terrifying. But after all of that, right,

1705
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 3: so this guy doesn't hat and run. After all of that,

1706
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:54,600
Speaker 3: do you know what punishment he got for it? He

1707
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 3: got community work and a disqualification from driving for a

1708
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 3: little bit. All he got for driving women. If they're

1709
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 3: running these women over and not checking that, that seems

1710
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,759
Speaker 3: to me woefully inadequate. Does it not to you. Also,

1711
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 3: if this is what people are doing on their phones,

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01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 3: I think we need to increase the punishment, don't you.

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01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 3: Twenty seven perst six.

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01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,839
Speaker 4: There's no business like show business.

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01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 12: Now we're all here, we've moved.

1716
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 3: To Lily Allen new albums, West End Girl. It's landed

1717
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 3: like a bombshell. Let me tell you why because it's

1718
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 3: about her now ex husband David Harper Harbor, who is

1719
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 3: the cop from Stranger Things. The album goes through his

1720
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 3: affair that he had an emotional affair with a woman

1721
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 3: after he asked Lily Allen for an open relationship while

1722
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 3: she was away working on a play in London. So

1723
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 3: she writes about the emotional turmoil and she references a

1724
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 3: potential relapse on drugs and alcohol to deal with the stress,

1725
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 3: and fans have responded with overwhelming support, even outlining their

1726
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 3: own questionable open relationships.

1727
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 19: I think this is actually happening, and a lot more

1728
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 19: relationships than we even know.

1729
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 18: I tried it myself and it was I was a

1730
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 18: person that.

1731
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 3: Didn't want to do it, but I read every.

1732
01:21:58,080 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 18: Book on nominogamy.

1733
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 17: I research the hell out of it to try and

1734
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 17: understand and be that my partner, but it doesn't always work.

1735
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 3: It can, but it doesn't. Nothink probably not a lot actually,

1736
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 3: but anyway, So in the song this is where it

1737
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 3: gets really nally. In the song Madeline, Lily Allen is

1738
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 3: discussing this woman directly, and then she starts, you know,

1739
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 3: recreating some of the direct messages between herself and the woman.

1740
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 3: The woman has now outed herself. Her name is Natalie Tippett.

1741
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 3: She's told The Daily Mail that the two she and

1742
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 3: old mate's husband ex husband met on the set of

1743
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 3: a movie where she was the costume designer, and she

1744
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 3: doesn't want to talk about it now because she has

1745
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 3: a family and things to protect, she said. But the

1746
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 3: trouble for everybody involved in this is that David Harbor

1747
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 3: is about to go on a big press tour to

1748
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 3: promote the final season of Stranger Things, which is coming

1749
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 3: out next month. Guess what everybody's going to be asking

1750
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 3: him about. Mm hmm, This song and Madeline. So there

1751
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,719
Speaker 3: you go. Enjoy Todd Scott of the NBA with us.

1752
01:22:53,600 --> 01:23:08,919
Speaker 20: Next Everything from SMEs to the Big Corporates, The Business

1753
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 20: Hour with Heather duplicl and Mass for Insurance Investments and

1754
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 20: Huey saber and you're.

1755
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 4: In good hands.

1756
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 3: News Talks dB, we're after the UK and ten minutes time,

1757
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 3: what about this Heather. A few months ago there was

1758
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 3: an elderly couple who will run over on the footpath

1759
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 3: outside the christ Church Court. The driver tried to do

1760
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 3: a runner. The police chase after him on foot and

1761
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 3: he crashed and they've decided not to charge him with

1762
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 3: fleeing the scene. It's disgusting, unbelievable. Twenty three away from

1763
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 3: seven now, the NBR is celebrating a big win in

1764
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 3: a major copyright lawsuit. They took legal action against companies

1765
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 3: that were sharing passwords for payward subscriptions, arguing that doing

1766
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 3: so is essentially stealing content. The companies have now settled

1767
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 3: with the NBA cover the legal costs, agreed to buy

1768
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 3: the proper number of subscriptions. Todd Scott is a businessman

1769
01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 3: and who's the owner of the MBI here and he's

1770
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 3: with us high time, what.

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01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 12: Good greetings, how are you and very well.

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01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 3: Thank you know how many subscriptions were they sharing amongst themselves?

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01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 12: It was it was it was a case of just

1774
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,719
Speaker 12: buying a few subscriptions and overusing those subscriptions. I don't

1775
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 12: really want to go into details, and I got to say, there,

1776
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 12: but for the grace, go there, for the grace of God,

1777
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 12: go I There'd be plenty of CEOs who weren't aware,

1778
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 12: aren't aware of what's going on in their organizations, but

1779
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 12: it's quite well spread. And really what this is is

1780
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 12: just a friendly warning shot. It's like, you know, if

1781
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 12: we were playing a sport, to be the referee getting

1782
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 12: the two captains together saying, hey, listen, if you guys

1783
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 12: don't sort out your teams, there's going to be some

1784
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,759
Speaker 12: serious consequences. You know, go on, talk to your teams.

1785
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 12: And that's really what I'm doing. I'm talking to CEO saying,

1786
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 12: I know you don't know what's going on, but it

1787
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 12: is actually your job to know. You are accountable, you

1788
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 12: are responsible, and it's just it's just straight out theft.

1789
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 12: I mean. We introduce the payball back in July two

1790
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 12: thousand and nine, so we actually started off with an

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01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 12: eye subscription model, which isn't all you can eat companies

1792
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,759
Speaker 12: pay for it. But in twenty twenty, due to COVID

1793
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 12: and people working from home, that didn't work anymore because

1794
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 12: the IT managers didn't want people accessing VPN from home.

1795
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 12: So my wife, who's really the brains of the business, Jackie,

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01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 12: she actually had been working on another project where we

1797
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:23,879
Speaker 12: actually introduce group premium subscriptions. So we're not changing anything.

1798
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 12: These corporates are buying groups, they assigned the subscriptions to

1799
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 12: people in their employment, and they should be using those

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01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 12: for themselves, not letting other people share their password. But

1801
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 12: it goes on, but it can't go on anymore for

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01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 12: us because MBR doesn't take government funding. We don't take

1803
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:47,440
Speaker 12: advertising where one hundred percent funded by a member subscribers.

1804
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:52,520
Speaker 12: We've got fifteen seniors, one intermediate. Our biggest group subscriber

1805
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 12: is three hundred that generates fifty four thousand dollars a

1806
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 12: year plus GST. That's not even enough for a junior.

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01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 3: Did you take action because they had bought a subscription

1808
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 3: and they were sharing it amongst themselves as staff, or

1809
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 3: they were sharing it outside of the organization.

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01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 12: They were sharing it with staff and outside the organization,

1811
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 12: but just the fact that they were sharing it. You know,

1812
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:18,719
Speaker 12: we have a scaling model. We have very attractive scaling models,

1813
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 12: and it's just a case of people understanding when you

1814
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 12: do that, you are literally stealing. There is no other

1815
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 12: way that NBA can generate money. So when you rob

1816
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 12: us of that opportunity, it is stealing. And what happens

1817
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 12: heither you know this the supermarkets, the theft, you know,

1818
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 12: all the shoplifting, there's a name for it, they call

1819
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 12: it shrinkage. And ultimately what ends up happening is the

1820
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 12: customer actually has to pay for it. So when you

1821
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 12: go to the supermarket, they've built in the fact somebody's

1822
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 12: going to Nike this, so Heather year to pay more

1823
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 12: for it. And I don't want our loyal member subscribers

1824
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 12: to have to incur another price increase because our content

1825
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 12: and our platform has been ripped off.

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01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 3: Have organizations other than the ones that you have settled

1827
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 3: with got the message and started buying subs?

1828
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 18: I hope.

1829
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 12: So because I've got it, we've actually come up with

1830
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 12: a sophisticated system and method.

1831
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:12,759
Speaker 3: You could go, yes, we can, and what are you saying.

1832
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 12: That we we it's not pretty and we have a

1833
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 12: short list and we're going after that now.

1834
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 3: So this is not the end of it. You're coming

1835
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 3: after the other people. They're not the same thing.

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01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 12: Absolutely, and I've been I've been quite I've been quite

1837
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 12: honest and quite open and I think generous. You know,

1838
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 12: there's an amnesty until the end of November, you know,

1839
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 12: tidy up house. Otherwise, I'm not going to let you

1840
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 12: get away with a settlement. I'm going to take it

1841
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 12: all the way through the courts. It's a serious thing.

1842
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 3: How can you tell if someone is sharing a password

1843
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 3: with too many people when.

1844
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 12: You're looking at the data and the analytics that I

1845
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 12: get to look at with my team, It's that there's

1846
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 12: alarm bells that go off pretty quickly.

1847
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 3: Like you will see the same password and user name

1848
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 3: and password combo logging on across all kinds of different device.

1849
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 12: And there's there's there's different IP addresses, so you know,

1850
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 12: so a really obvious one that we found with one

1851
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 12: of these particular companies it was an IP address from

1852
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 12: a person in Australia that was also logging on in

1853
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 12: New Zealand.

1854
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 3: Okay, Now, how many subs did these ones that you

1855
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 3: settled with take on after you settled with them?

1856
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 12: A great number more than they had. Give me a number,

1857
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 12: Although I have to say I think my lawyer did

1858
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 12: slightly better out of this arrangement than I did.

1859
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 3: Say, is it actually worth it. I mean for the

1860
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 3: cost of legal action.

1861
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,600
Speaker 12: For well, it cost me nothing. They paid for it,

1862
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 12: which was kind of.

1863
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 3: Does successful right, So is it worth it?

1864
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 12: Well, I am so far you thank you. I wouldn't

1865
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 12: have gone after them if I didn't know that they

1866
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 12: were sitting ducks.

1867
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 3: Lord Todd, thank you very much, Todd Scott businessman, an

1868
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 3: NBR own God, be honest, be honest, you do it.

1869
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 3: We'll do it, don't we share? Somebody said, yep, yep,

1870
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 3: go on. I'm not saying necessarily the NBR, but maybe

1871
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 3: also the NBR. Tod's coming for you. Eighteen away from seven,

1872
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 3: Heather dops the hour. This is a funny thing that

1873
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 3: you didn't know happened. You remember when the Amazon Web

1874
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 3: services went down and it broke my wordle streak, which

1875
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 3: I said I was pleased about, but I am still

1876
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 3: dark on like one hundred percent stor because I'm back

1877
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 3: to being a slave to word It would appear. The

1878
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 3: other thing that happened that I didn't know it happened

1879
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,719
Speaker 3: was that people who had smart beds had a terrible

1880
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 3: night's sleep. Because did you know that you can buy

1881
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 3: yourself a smart bed? It's not it sounds like it's

1882
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 3: not a smart bedbed, like it's a smart mattress cover,

1883
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 3: so you put a mattress cover on. That cover is

1884
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 3: a smart device and it's able to kind of measure

1885
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 3: your sleep and do vibration alarms for you and all

1886
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 3: kinds of cool things. But it also regulates your temperature,

1887
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 3: so your temperature is completely perfect for you to be

1888
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,759
Speaker 3: able to acquire the optimum sleep of a night, except

1889
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 3: for this night where it just started overheating and people

1890
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 3: were waking up in the middle of the night, just

1891
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,799
Speaker 3: drenched and sweat. But the problem was they couldn't stop

1892
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 3: it because aws had gone down, could not stop the

1893
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,679
Speaker 3: thing from overheating. I hope to God, And I don't

1894
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 3: really understand what I mean. They were like panicking about it, like,

1895
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 3: surely the thing that you do at this point is

1896
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 3: and it's a fath, but take it off. Just take

1897
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 3: it off, remake your bet. I know it's a fath,

1898
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 3: but surely that's better than sitting there for like half

1899
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 3: an hour stressing out about it before you finally just

1900
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 3: give up. You just better off taking it off, putting

1901
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 3: it away, going to sleep. Do you know how much

1902
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 3: does cost thousands of dollars. Just the pillow case is

1903
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:30,799
Speaker 3: nine hundred and ninety nine US dollars. As Paul Spain

1904
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 3: said when we spoke to him last week, you can

1905
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 3: over digitize and I feel like this is an example

1906
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 3: of it. Or off to the UK next sixteen away

1907
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 3: from seven.

1908
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you

1909
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: the business hour where the header do for Cellen and

1910
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: maz for insurance investments and Huie safer and you're in

1911
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: good hands news talks.

1912
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 3: He'd be Heather, you could just unplug the blanket. Listen.

1913
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 3: You are not stupid. You could do that. Fourteen away

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01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 3: from seven. Elizabeth Callahan UK correspondents with that's Hellabeth.

1915
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 21: Hello Heather, how are you?

1916
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 3: Mike?

1917
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 21: Great to be with you again.

1918
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 3: I cannot believe the absolute cluster that happened with that

1919
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 3: migrant six offen, How did that even happen?

1920
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 8: Well, yesterday the Justice Secretary David Lammy was in Parliament

1921
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 8: being grilled in the House of Commons by MP's into

1922
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 8: how on earth a forty eight year old asylum seeker

1923
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 8: who had been convicted of a number of sexual assaults

1924
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 8: was accidentally released from prison and left to roam the

1925
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 8: streets for forty eight hours he went off to London.

1926
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 8: But you know this apparently no surprise, was a human error.

1927
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:48,759
Speaker 8: According to the Justice Secretary, he has announced an independent

1928
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 8: investigation into exactly what went wrong. The prison h MP

1929
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:59,679
Speaker 8: Chelmsford is in Essex in the southeast of the country

1930
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 8: and this was a really high profile case of this

1931
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 8: offender who had come over from Ethiopia on a small

1932
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 8: boat back in June. In July he committed an offense

1933
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 8: against a fourteen year old girl and another woman as well.

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01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 8: It led to huge protests outside the migrant hotel where

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Speaker 8: he had been staying in Epping in Essex, and then

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Speaker 8: he was sentenced to twelve months last month in September

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Speaker 8: and jailed and that was where we thought he would

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Speaker 8: be spending most of his time before being deported. So

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Speaker 8: he had been due to be transferred to an immigration

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Speaker 8: detention center but instead was released into the community. It's

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Speaker 8: you know that there have been extra checks are already

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Speaker 8: being put on.

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Speaker 21: They're effective immediately.

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Speaker 8: That's another thing that Justice Secretary has announced, but really

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Speaker 8: huge questions to be asked. It's a massive embarrassment for

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Speaker 8: the government as to how this person was at large.

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Speaker 21: Fortunately was re released very quickly.

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Speaker 8: Earlier over the weekend, David Lammy, the Justice actually said

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Speaker 8: that he would be deported today later today, but yesterday

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Speaker 8: or this week, But yesterday he didn't mention that again,

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Speaker 8: so I'm not sure what's going on with that, but

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Speaker 8: I think the quicker that he is deported, the better

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Speaker 8: it's going to look for the government.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely couldn't agree more. Now, what do you think the

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Speaker 3: King needs to do about Andrew given that this has

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Speaker 3: got to Hickling territory.

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Speaker 8: I couldn't possibly give my own opinion on that, but

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Speaker 8: it's again a huge embarrassment for the King, for the

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Speaker 8: whole of the royal family who have Prince Andrew and

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Speaker 8: his connections to Epstein, the fact that he's been living

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Speaker 8: in this thirty room mansion for several years, rent free

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Speaker 8: for twenty years with his ex wife. Yesterday, the King

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Speaker 8: was doing the rounds during a.

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Speaker 21: Visit to the cathedral, greeting.

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Speaker 8: Crowds as he often does so so well with members

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Speaker 8: of the public, when a protester who had got into

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Speaker 8: the crowd shouted out, how long have you known about

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Speaker 8: Andrew and Epstein? Have you asked the police to cover

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Speaker 8: it up? For Andrew, and then he went on to

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Speaker 8: say should MPs be allowed to debate the royals in

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Speaker 8: the House of Commons, which is something that certainly the

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Speaker 8: liberal Demotocrats are trying to get to get done. But

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Speaker 8: the King, ever professional did didn't respond to the questions,

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Speaker 8: carried on greeting fans as he would. And actually a

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Speaker 8: lot of the people, the people that come out and

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Speaker 8: greet the Queen the King generally big royalists, so a

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Speaker 8: lot of them were very annoyed that this man was

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Speaker 8: upsetting the whole events and was telling him to shut

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Speaker 8: up and go, oh, go away, leave him alone, leave

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Speaker 8: the King alone.

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Speaker 3: So yes, at the.

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Speaker 8: Moment the situation, Prince Andrew, you know, there's newspaper story

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Speaker 8: after newspaper story. The latest thing is his living arrangements,

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Speaker 8: as I said, and it looks like he may move

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Speaker 8: out of this thirsty bedroom mansion, the Royal Lodge on

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Speaker 8: the Crown Escape estate in Windsor potentially going to Prince

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Speaker 8: Harry and Meghan's old place, Frogmore Cottage. But then he

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Speaker 8: also apparently and the Palace is not commenting on any

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Speaker 8: of his living arrangements. Sarah Ferguson his ex wife, he

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Speaker 8: wants her to have Adelaide Cottage, which is where the

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Speaker 8: Prince and Princess of Welles will be moving out of

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Speaker 8: next month.

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Speaker 21: So whether he'll get his way, whether.

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Speaker 8: He deserves anything, frankly, you know. But of course he

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Speaker 8: denies any wrongdoing in regards to any of the allegations

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Speaker 8: against him. Certainly that is starting to be an appetite

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Speaker 8: for a debate in the Commons about about his living

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Speaker 8: arrangements which effectively come out of taxpayers money and his

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Speaker 8: connection with Epstein.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as they should be. Hey, thank you very much,

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Speaker 3: really appreciate Elizabeth's Elizabeth Callahan, UK correspondent. I have got

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Speaker 3: some funny messages today about how angry capital gains tax

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Speaker 3: has bade everybody, well not everybody. Some people love it,

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Speaker 3: like Sam on my team, but the rest of us

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Speaker 3: this one hither. I was at the gym when here

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Speaker 3: in Wellington I heard this ludicrous labor bollocks. Sorry, I

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Speaker 3: can't call it a policy and I have to say

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Speaker 3: this labor CGT has enraged me so much. I managed

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Speaker 3: to smash out five hundred calories on the treadmill and

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Speaker 3: record time, so it's not all bad. Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 3: actually the NBR does do something different, something similar, where

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Speaker 3: And I take your point. It does feel like, jeez,

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Speaker 3: it's going to be hard for all the news media

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Speaker 3: to be like to go after every single corporate that's

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Speaker 3: sharing and all your mates as sharing and score. Surely

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Speaker 3: the simpler thing to do would be to build that mechanism.

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Speaker 3: But maybe that mechanism costs a lot of money. Listen

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Speaker 3: very quickly, you're not imagining it. Anxiety is real. A

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Speaker 3: couple of researchers, they've written a piece of the conversation.

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Speaker 3: They analyze twenty two studies across forty years involving more

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Speaker 3: than six thousand adults worldwide, and they found absolutely when

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Speaker 3: you are hungover, you do, in fact feel more anxious

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Speaker 3: than normal. What they reckon mend is that you breathe

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Speaker 3: slowly and go outside. And that's not a joke. They say,

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Speaker 3: ground yourself with slow breaths or a short walk to

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Speaker 3: calm the nervous system. You can also talk to people

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Speaker 3: you love, which calms you down. And I'll just give

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Speaker 3: you another piece of advice. Don't get so drunk. Then

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Speaker 3: you won't have that problem.

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Speaker 11: A simple Well, I don't know, you do always feel

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Speaker 11: a lot better going for and I think to be fair,

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Speaker 11: breathe slowly and go outside as good advice for all

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Speaker 11: of us, whether we're hungover or not. A sweet child

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Speaker 11: of mine by Guns n' Roses to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 11: So Slash has said he didn't actually like the song

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Speaker 11: very much. He's done an interview with a guitar magazine

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Speaker 11: and he a Guitar World magazine and he said, yeah,

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Speaker 11: he came up with the riff first. Sorry, I'll start

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Speaker 11: the song again. Oh yeah, yeah, So he came up

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Speaker 11: with that, and he's like, oh, we can put that

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Speaker 11: in a song. Somewhere, and then the song they came

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Speaker 11: up with, he said it sounded a bit too much

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Speaker 11: like a ballad.

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Speaker 3: He said, I.

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Speaker 11: Always say this, but to me, we were like a

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Speaker 11: motorhead type, you know, a hard rock band, So any

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Speaker 11: kind of ballads, he says, was sort of The word

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Speaker 11: he used was uncongressed. But yeah, he's come around to

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Speaker 11: it now, riss And he said it's always a tricky

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Speaker 11: one for him to play at shows because obviously he

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Speaker 11: has to kick it off with the riff. So they'll

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Speaker 11: be playing the show and we'll get to there and

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Speaker 11: be like, remember slash to play how to play the riff,

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Speaker 11: and he'll be like, I'm a little bit drunk. Oh gosh,

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Speaker 11: how do I do this one again? And he said

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Speaker 11: it's the that's the song that often catches him out.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, so each out up the word uncongress and congress.

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Speaker 3: That's what he said. That's a direct quote. How do

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Speaker 3: you spell that? Gone quickly?

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Speaker 11: U N C O N G R E S A

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Speaker 11: C D uncongress.

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Speaker 3: Don't find it on the whole entire internet.

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Speaker 11: So maybe he made it up. Maybe it'll make it

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Speaker 11: into against the Roses song.

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Speaker 3: So who made up that riff, so it's not all

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Speaker 3: bad things he makes up anyway. Thank you for that answer,

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Speaker 3: See you tomorrow and you still say b

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