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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine

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Speaker 1: from Newstalk zed B.

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Speaker 2: Hugely anticipated Test match tomorrow morning, Alis Park and Johannesburg

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Speaker 2: All Black spring Box three am, New Zealand. Time to

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Speaker 2: help preview this one, Let's bring in one of our

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Speaker 2: all time greats. Sean Fitzpatrick played one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: eight games for the All Blacks, sixty two of those

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Speaker 2: as captain. Ninety two of the one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: eight games were Test matches. He was the leader of

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Speaker 2: the first All Black side to win a Test series

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Speaker 2: in South Africa in nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 3: Brook out for the way to Frank Bonk.

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Speaker 4: He's kept up with right box, got from behind, no

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Speaker 4: skipto backtack old back, bring Pope to the three two.

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Speaker 4: He set it up, no being out for New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: Right running ball, no left running ball. The drop kack

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Speaker 4: bok work topcack s up you looker hold they have

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Speaker 4: been in Claveraga by thirty three twenty thick potendant to

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Speaker 4: know that our lives rugby them in a plane seventy

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Speaker 4: five long years after fifty camp back in nineteen twenty

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Speaker 4: eight and after four unfixtedful campaigns in twenty nine, nineteen sixteen,

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Speaker 4: nineteen seventy and seventy six. The Man and the Muddy

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Speaker 4: is curty of them all the back for the Suverphne

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Speaker 4: have with the dream to win a Test theory in

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Speaker 4: South Africa.

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Speaker 2: Sean Fitzpatrick is with us on Weekend Sports Seawan that

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six Tower of South Africa hearing the late

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Speaker 2: Graham Moody's call of that iconic match at Loftus in

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Speaker 2: Pretoria where you secured the Test Series win in South

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Speaker 2: Africa for the first time. When is that day rate

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Speaker 2: among everything else that you achieved in the black Jersey.

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Speaker 3: Well, it puts a little smile on my face, Jason,

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Speaker 3: that's for sure. That good afternoon, good morning, becausure to

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Speaker 3: be on your show nineteen ninety six was an unbelievable experience.

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Speaker 3: I I just going to South Africa and being in

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Speaker 3: South Africa now to watch the play now, just so

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Speaker 3: excited because it's a big challenge and John Hart and

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Speaker 3: his management team and the thirty six players. It was

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Speaker 3: a big touring party in those days to go to

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Speaker 3: South Africa and winters series. It's as good as anything

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Speaker 3: that I achieved. I always love the telling the story

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Speaker 3: of Don Clark, a great fullback. Embraced me in the

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Speaker 3: tunnel loftis Verse felt and said thank you, and he

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Speaker 3: was crying, saying thank you so much for doing something

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Speaker 3: that no other all black team has done. He said,

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Speaker 3: I can die a happy man. That's what it meant

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Speaker 3: to past all Blacks. And that's what I'm so excited

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Speaker 3: for Razor and this current team that they've got a

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Speaker 3: real opportunity over the.

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Speaker 5: Next two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Those images at the end of you sprawled on the

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Speaker 2: grass there, you'd made a tackle in the final play,

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Speaker 2: the hourisher, you had blinded up the game. You were

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Speaker 2: just lying there and then got up on all four

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Speaker 2: stumping your first into the turf. A couple of times

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Speaker 2: those images are burnt into our memories. How empty was

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Speaker 2: was your tank at the end of that particular game.

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Speaker 3: It just it's a very intimulating place to go, Jason,

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Speaker 3: and to go there, you have to go with an

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Speaker 3: attitude that we're going to dominate. We're going to dominate

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Speaker 3: the opposition because they like they like to dominate you.

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Speaker 3: And the thing is, Jason, that we're very similar. We

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Speaker 3: have huge respect for each other. We play a very

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Speaker 3: similar game and when they come to New Zealand, a

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Speaker 3: huge challenge for them. But I think going to South

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Speaker 3: playing in Johannesburg, playing in Victoria, it just adds that

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks have been there for a week now

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Speaker 3: and they would have experienced what it's like to be

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Speaker 3: because the fans are relentless.

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Speaker 5: Day in day out, morning, night time. They're telling you

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Speaker 3: And you know, for me, I personally, I loved that

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Speaker 5: They're bigger than us.

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Speaker 3: We know that, but it doesn't mean that we can't

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Speaker 3: You know, they bring on this this reserve bench that

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Speaker 3: it's a big effort. And you know, I look at

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Speaker 3: and it's a barring a couple of a couple of positions.

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Speaker 5: It's a hugely experienced team.

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Speaker 3: And to have Sam Kine there, there's another added bonus

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Speaker 3: that I'm sure Raiser you know, had had had that

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Speaker 2: What about playing at altitude, Shawn? It how different was

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Speaker 3: It just it burns you a bit, and it just

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Speaker 3: you know, I think this current team is you know,

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Speaker 3: admittedly they're not playing super rugby over there like they

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Speaker 3: been there over seven days now, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: And.

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Speaker 3: You know it's it's it just it hurts. That's that's

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Speaker 3: all part of that's all part of the challenge. And

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Speaker 3: and you just got to realize that it's the same

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Speaker 3: you know, it's it's an even playing field. And you

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Speaker 3: we've got a we've got a very good bench. So

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Speaker 3: I'm very relax playing at altitude. And Alice Park is

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Speaker 3: I so liked to call it Alice Parks Ellis Park,

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Speaker 3: That's what what was historically named. And it's a cauldron.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's only there's only sixty two thousand people.

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Speaker 3: That feels as though there's one hundred thousand people in there,

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Speaker 5: So you've got to deal with that.

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Speaker 3: And and you know, you know, as I'm sure Raises

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Speaker 5: And and do not let them get on top.

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Speaker 2: How have you rated the first five All Blacks tests

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Speaker 3: I've we're going to realize that, you know, we work

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Speaker 3: in cycles. Now, Jason, this is a this is a

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Speaker 3: You know that they did well against English. That English

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Speaker 3: learning going on there in that first test because that

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately for them, they couldn't back it up you know,

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Speaker 3: Turpeau Tapeau Vis, the Tarmat Williams, that will that will

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Speaker 3: and this is this is the biggest challenge they would

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Speaker 5: You know, it's not just the.

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Speaker 2: One thing we always expect and no we're going to

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Speaker 2: big men with a real physicality, how important is it

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Speaker 3: Books, that's you know, it's you know, the big thing

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Speaker 3: but Tablo Max and and you know Tamaiti Williams that

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Speaker 3: they are going to be the core to our success

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Speaker 3: on Saturday, without without question. And that's you go back

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Speaker 3: good example. I'm sure Raiser will be talking about this

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Speaker 3: in terms of the current international teams. What what Ireland

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Speaker 2: Disruption of course in the All Blacks camp before they

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Speaker 2: Leon McDonald, What effect of any do you expect that

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Speaker 2: to have on the on the coaches and on the players.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure that they would have maybe been aware

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Speaker 3: don't think it will have an effect. Obviously, there will

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Speaker 3: be you know, some of the some of the players

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Speaker 3: will be asking questions, but you know it's their job

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Speaker 3: sure with the experience, you know, having Sam Kin there and.

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Speaker 1: And and.

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Speaker 3: And Scott Barrett as captain and then a lot of

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Speaker 2: Just back to the South African side, I've heard it

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Speaker 2: World Cup last year. What's your recess one of whether

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Speaker 5: Think they're they're definitely more confident, without question.

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Speaker 3: They're they're growing a confidence and that's I taped my

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Speaker 3: hat off to them, you know, to to win, to

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Speaker 3: we're going to win the next World Cup. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's very much like life like the All Blacks and

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Speaker 3: twenty fifteen. So you know they are, they're getting better,

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Speaker 3: superbly coached, and they've grown that they've you know, they've

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Speaker 3: in terms of trying to get better. You know, the

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Speaker 3: way we did it yesterday is not good enough to

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Speaker 3: they don't look tired. They're just growing, growing as people,

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Speaker 5: And I think I agree with you. I think they

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Speaker 5: are better than what they were.

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Speaker 2: They all right, So you'll be there at Ellis Park

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Speaker 2: in the first I don't know, ten or fifteen minutes

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Speaker 3: You know, the first sort of ten minutes, it will

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Speaker 3: You give away a penalty on you twenty two. You

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Speaker 3: know they're going to kick the ball seventy meters down

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Speaker 3: the field with the altude and their lineout's very strong.

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Speaker 3: So we're just going to make sure we limit the mistakes.

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Speaker 3: We have to have at least parity at scrumb and

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Speaker 3: line out time. We can so we're comfortable kicking the

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Speaker 3: out knowing that they're going to challenge our line out.

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Speaker 3: So we're need to make sure that we were in

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Speaker 3: you look back to ninety six.

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Speaker 5: They do not go away.

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Speaker 3: They keep knocking at the door, knocking at the door,

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Speaker 3: and you know, eventually sometimes they knocked the door down.

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling very well. I love the look of the

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Speaker 3: current team. The team is named to play this game.

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Speaker 3: I'd love them to do the job and then we

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Speaker 3: can go down to go under steal level and have

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Speaker 3: a crack at a Series one.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, Sean, so great to get the chance to catch

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Speaker 2: up enjoy the occasion that will be, as you say,

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Speaker 2: absolutely electric there at Ellis Park in Johannesburg. Really appreciate

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Speaker 2: He thanks Jason, Thanks San Sean Fitzpatrick. They're one of

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Speaker 2: the great, one of the great All Blacks captains in

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Speaker 2: a real pioneer. He kind of went across from the

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Speaker 2: amateur game to the professional game, didn't He was one

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Speaker 2: of the trailblazers in that space, and those images from

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six just forever iconic.

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