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Speaker 1: So the big question out of yesterday's in dust real

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Speaker 1: action is where to now. The strike, like all strikes,

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Speaker 1: doesn't actually change anything. Material frustration was aired. I guess

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Speaker 1: hyperbole like the Herald's headline this morning, if you've seen it,

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Speaker 1: defining moment in our history gets printed, But we still

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Speaker 1: don't have a deal. Public Service Commissioner s so Brian

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Speaker 1: Roach's back with us, Brian morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: Did the pictures that I'm sure you saw yesterday, or

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Speaker 1: the feed you got back or whatever, did they move

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Speaker 1: you in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. We got what we expected. People

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Speaker 2: have gotten out of a system. We now need to

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Speaker 2: get back to the table and find a solution that

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Speaker 2: avoids these disruptions. New Zealanders deserve better.

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Speaker 1: When I read the headline this morning, a defining moment

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Speaker 1: in our history?

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Speaker 2: Is it? I don't see it that way at all.

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Speaker 2: I said, as a moment where accumulated frustration was expressed.

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Speaker 2: Those messages have been sent many times, We've heard them.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't solve anything. Getting back and finding our way

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Speaker 2: forward is the only way to get through this where

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Speaker 2: both parties have to be able to do it. I'm

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Speaker 2: committed to doing that.

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Speaker 1: Is there any sense from the government moves I mean

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Speaker 1: traditionally what you see as a protest so large that

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Speaker 1: the government, the politics of the day, the government goes, geez,

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Speaker 1: we're on the losing side of this, we need to

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Speaker 1: do something. Is there any sense that that's where they're at.

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Speaker 2: I've had no cause of that nature. What I have

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Speaker 2: been told is to operate within the budget. I've done that.

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Speaker 2: We've actually achieved settlements, so we know that we can

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Speaker 2: do it. We just need the unions to see it

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Speaker 2: the same way. We need to make trade offs. I've

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Speaker 2: made significant trade offfs to get to the settlement that

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Speaker 2: we made a few weeks ago. They need to come

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Speaker 2: to the party and be prepared to make trade offfs.

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Speaker 2: I have not seen that yet.

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Speaker 1: Explain the difference the principles that did the deal. What's

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Speaker 1: different about that than the people who haven't done the deal?

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Speaker 1: Why did that work in the rest hasn't?

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Speaker 2: Well, there was a smaller group of people involved. They

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Speaker 2: were very committed to finding solution. They focused very clearly

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Speaker 2: on what were the critical issues. I spent the day

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Speaker 2: with them were backwards and forwards. We both had to

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Speaker 2: trade off. We got a deal. They were happy. I

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Speaker 2: would like to see that replicated across the PPTA, the NZDI.

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Speaker 2: It's possible, but when there's extraneous other information coming to

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Speaker 2: the party, such as our approach to the treaty or

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Speaker 2: white hanging, that is not critical to terms and conditions.

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Speaker 2: They are important issues, but they aren't relevant to terms

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Speaker 2: and conditions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how much peripheral stuff is going on there as

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Speaker 1: opposed to just hard numbers and how many people you

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Speaker 1: employ or don't employ.

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Speaker 2: I think there's way too much peripheral. I think there's

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Speaker 2: too much theater around the bargaining. We're all captured in

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Speaker 2: a historical model where there's very low levels of trust.

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Speaker 2: It's very complicated. It's overly complicated. I'd like to think

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Speaker 2: we should streamline it. We could do a lot more.

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Speaker 2: There's no question that we need to reward good teachers,

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Speaker 2: there's no question, and we need to support public education.

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Speaker 2: But we don't need to be told that at the

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Speaker 2: bargaining table. We just need to find solutions.

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Speaker 1: Would you favor arbitration.

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Speaker 2: I favor anything that gets to a solution that avoids

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Speaker 2: disruption to the households and patients that we have seen,

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Speaker 2: and that's why yesterday. I've approached the Employment Relations Authority

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Speaker 2: you see whether they could help us with the PPTA.

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Speaker 2: PPTA at this point are reluctant to do that. It's

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Speaker 2: a mystery as they why they would be. We both

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Speaker 2: should be committed to getting money in the pockets of teachers.

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Speaker 2: I could make that happen very quickly.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate time. I have a good weekend, s Brian Roch

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Speaker 1: who's up early for us in Queensland, and don't text

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