1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Kielder. I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: a daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. A 3 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: christ churchwoman told friends she was dying of cancer. They 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: grieved and gave thousands to help her. But then the 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: unthinkable happened. 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: It was all the fast. 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: Nicola Flint is accused of forging medical letters and defrauding 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: a rugby club of more than one hundred thousand dollars. 9 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: Today on the Front Page, senior crime reporter and host 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: of A Moment in Crime and Elease has been diving 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: into this case with a special two part series on 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: Flint's diagnosis deception. She joins us. Now, first off, Anna, 13 00:00:55,240 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: let's set the scene. How did this start? 14 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: So Nikola Flint told friends that she had been diagnosed 15 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 3: with cancer. 16 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: And you know, this is a really good friend. 17 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: She's telling her best friends that she's found the slump 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 3: in her breast and she's had it tested and it 19 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: is cancer. And then over the next seven years that 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 3: lie grew and grew and grew, and everyone believed that 21 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 3: she had staged four terminal cancer. That you know, she 22 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 3: was about to leave two children without a mum, that 23 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 3: they were you know, they were helping her plan her 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: funeral and where her ashes would be scattered, and you know, 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: doing things for her kids and planning on how they 26 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 3: would help look after the kids. There was just this 27 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 3: web of lies of that she was telling different friends 28 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: different things about her treatment and you know, different explanations 29 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: for why she wasn't having chemo and she was having 30 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 3: this and that, and it just you know, these were 31 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: her best friends and nobody really thought to question her 32 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: on it. You know, she told her children she was dying. 33 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: She was helping them get ready for when mummy wasn't there. 34 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: So they were like, well, you wouldn't do that if 35 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 3: you weren't really really sick. And she just sucked so 36 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 3: many people in with this absolute fantasy of you know, 37 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: having cancer, and we now know, and the police have 38 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: said very openly that there is no evidence Nikola Flint 39 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 3: has ever been diagnosed with cancer. 40 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: Isn't that incredible? Imagine your friend coming up to you first, first, 41 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: and foremost. There are a lot of people out there 42 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: who have had a friend or a loved one come 43 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: up to them and say and have that conversation and 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: say that they have cancer and have those real life 45 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: talks as well. Those friends would have felt completely and 46 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: utterly dumbfounded when they found out. When did it start 47 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: to unravel for her? 48 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty four, it all started to unravel when 49 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 3: she was investigated for a lot of money going missing 50 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 3: from a football club where she was working, and you know, 51 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: that sort of came out and she was charged with 52 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: taking one hundred thousand dollars from the football club. And she, 53 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 3: you know, was saying to the friends, Oh, it's it's 54 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: not what it looks like. I'm innocent. But at the 55 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: same time she fled the country, she went to the UK. 56 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: The friends were still you know, at that point no 57 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: question that this this poor woman, she's so sack and 58 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: now she's got this and you know, and then the 59 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: a friend had found some letters that Nicola had given 60 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: her from a cancer specialist. You know, oh, here's the 61 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 3: latest update on my condition. And the friend went, what 62 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: if she doesn't have cancer, Let's go back to those 63 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 3: letters and just see what's what. And she was reading 64 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: through this letter and she's like, I think that I 65 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: don't think this is real. I think this has been 66 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: copying pasted, and the signature didn't look right, and the 67 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: letter had looked funny. So that letter eventually was obtained 68 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 3: by the police and they checked up and these these 69 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: cancer doctors whose signatures were on these letters were like, 70 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 3: that's not me. I didn't write that, that's not my 71 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: medical opinion. And as I said, police were able to 72 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: publicly say, there's no evidence Nikola Flint ever was diagnosed 73 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: with cancer. You know, by then, she'd told people early 74 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: on that she had survival cancer, and then it was 75 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: its back and its breast cancer, and she was telling 76 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: people who you know, one of her friends who I 77 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 3: spoke to, she'd lost her mum to cancer when she 78 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: was a tiny, tiny child, so she'd grown up without 79 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: a mum. And you know, she said to me, I 80 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: know the hole that cancer leaves. And I was never 81 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 3: going to question a friend, you know, I just wanted 82 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: to support her. There was another friend whose husband had died, 83 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 3: and Nichola had supported her through her husband dying from cancer. 84 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: So you know, and as I said, her children were 85 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 3: told they were being prepared for when Mom's not here. 86 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: She taught her daughter how to braid her own hair 87 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: for when I'm gone, then you can do it yourself. 88 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: So when the police dropped this bombshell that there's no 89 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: evidence of this woman ever having cancer. Everyone sort of 90 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: just went wow, and the friends started to effectively compare 91 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: notes and realize that all been absolutely. 92 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: Lied to and scammed. 93 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: For lack of a better word, but they've all told 94 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: me that Nikola had a way of keeping them separate. 95 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: It was a bit of a divide and conquer. 96 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 3: She would tell them things about each other to make 97 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: them wary of each other, to make them cautious. She'd 98 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: say things like, oh, well, have you heard this, Chelsea's 99 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: been saying this about you, but don't tell her I 100 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 3: told you this, or don't tell such and such about 101 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 3: my latest diagnosis. So all these friends were sort of 102 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: pushed apart and kept apart, so you know, they weren't 103 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: talking amongst each other about Nikola, so where there were 104 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: red flags, they sort of felt guilty for thinking that 105 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: up until police came out and said, well, there is 106 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: no cancer. 107 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: And it's interesting as well. 108 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: People might listen to this and think, how could they 109 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: not have known? Right, and everybody does and that's completely normal. 110 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 1: But when you've got that trusting relationship with your friend, 111 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: you're being told all of these different things and you're 112 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: given evidence. It seems oh like that of a better word. 113 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: Would you question your friend? 114 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 3: And this is the thing. These women that I've spoken 115 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 3: to were her good friends. They considered her family. You know, 116 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: their kids thought each other, they were their second moms, 117 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 3: and they just there was no question. Your friend comes 118 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 3: to and says I should have got cancer and you 119 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 3: don't question that. Yeah, you would go immediately and to say, really, 120 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: do you call that place, have some evidence, let's see 121 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: all of the stuff. 122 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but then she did have these letters that backed 123 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: it up. 124 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 3: And you know, she would turn up to things and 125 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: she would have a plaster on her arm because she'd 126 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 3: had this treatment, or you know, she would be dropped 127 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 3: off at places or should be booked in for things, 128 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: and you know, people were like, well, she's definitely having treatment, 129 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 3: but no, none of it was true. 130 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: So what has she officially been charged? 131 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: So she's facing around nine charges and the christ which 132 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 3: just recurt The majority of those are for the theft 133 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: and basically the misappropriation of funds from this football club. 134 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: But there is also a number of charges for forging 135 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: documents and these are the cancer specialist letters and the 136 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: charge is worded that she forged the documents with intent 137 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 3: to have people believe she had cancer and in some 138 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: cases to obtain financial advantage. 139 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: It is alleged that she used. 140 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: One of the cancer letters to medically retire from Amzi Bank, 141 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: where she'd worked for many years. They paid her eighty 142 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 3: four thousand dollars in a medical retirement package because she 143 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: had terminal cancer, and so she's charged with fraudulently providing 144 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: them that letter in order to get that money. So 145 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 3: I think the total of the money that she's accused 146 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: of stealing is one hundred and eighty plus thousand dollars. 147 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 4: I genuinely thought that she had cancer. She would go 148 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 4: into great detail about some of the symptoms that she 149 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 4: was experiencing and that were horrific treatments she was having. 150 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 4: Occasionally there would be a band aid on her forearm 151 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 4: because she was having treatment. Occasionally you'd think, oh my gosh, 152 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 4: really what I remember asking how are you going to 153 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 4: have chemotherapy? And you know, I was told that the 154 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: type of cancer she had didn't react chemotherapy. And you 155 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 4: know this went on for years, years like five six seven. 156 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: And you mentioned as well, you've spoken to her friends. 157 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: When speaking to them, how did they come across were 158 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: they anger? I mean, I suppose that they're going through 159 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: all of these stages of grief, right. 160 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: I mean, they've been grieving her for years. You know, 161 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 3: they had you know, her best friend came out from 162 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 3: the UK and Nikola took her up to Marpu at 163 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: the top of the South Island and they sat and 164 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 3: she said, this is where my ashes will be scattered. 165 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 3: So Emma was grieving her for years, and every time 166 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: she left New Zealand, she was like the last time 167 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: I'm going to see my childhood best friend. And she 168 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 3: was racked with guilt and she's always so worried about 169 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: the kids. 170 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: And then you know, when all this came out, she 171 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: just was so angry. 172 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 3: And a lot of them were bewildered, and a lot 173 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 3: of them have spoken about you know, they had these 174 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: moments where they sort of think of Nickola and they think, oh, 175 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: that poor woman. Hang on a minute, and so you know, 176 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 3: some of them have had to retrain the way they 177 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 3: think about it because they go to this place of 178 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 3: grief and upset when they think about Nickola, and then 179 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 3: they're like, hang on, if it was true. Some of 180 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: them still have moments where they think, but what if 181 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: it was, and then they just remember that police officer 182 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: on national television saying there is no evidence Nikola Flint 183 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: was ever diagnosed with cancer. 184 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: They're angry and they're hurt. They just feel really betrayed. 185 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: Some of them, you know, paid for things, you know. 186 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: One friend said that every time she did something with Nicholas, 187 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 3: she would pay but dinners, lunches, you know, just to 188 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: make sure that was spending her money on cancer treatment. 189 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: Her friend in the UK, the best friend from childhood, 190 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: her parents gave something like thirty thousand pound because Nikola 191 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: had said she didn't have money to pay for a 192 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 3: cancer top up, which meant she could have unlimited treatment 193 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 3: in New Zealand and so they when Emma told her 194 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: parents this, the parents went straight and transferred the money 195 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: to New Zealand. So, you know, that's a lot of 196 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: money that was given to her full cancer treatment for 197 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 3: a disease she just did not have. So her friends 198 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 3: feel ripped off and they feel foolish. They know that 199 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 3: it's not their fault, and they know that they were 200 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: you know, they've said they were groomed, and they've talked 201 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: about how manipulative she was, how devious and how clever, 202 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 3: you know, keeping them all apart and keeping the story separate, 203 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: and making sure that they weren't talking to each other, 204 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 3: just to keep up this this web of lies how 205 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: they've described it. 206 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: And you can imagine, well, people, and that's no fault 207 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: of their own at all, because I can imagine a 208 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: situation where if I ever a touch would got cancer. 209 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: My best friend's parents would chip in as well. It's 210 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: a completely normal thing to do. When you love someone 211 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: and you're really close to someone, you do anything. You 212 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: would do anything you can. 213 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 3: I mean, cancer is a cruel and hideous disease, and 214 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,479 Speaker 3: if someone that you're close to, you know, is diagnosed, 215 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 3: then you want to move heaven and earth to make 216 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 3: sure that you can do everything you can to lighten 217 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: their load. And that's what these friends were doing. And 218 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: it's just they're just so, you know, shocked, outraged that 219 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 3: they were just taken for such a ride. 220 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: And you've spoken to some family members as well, Hey. 221 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: Her husband's so I've spoken to her husband's sister and 222 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 3: another member of the family. 223 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: Who are just appalled. 224 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 3: They had fallen out with Nikola before this cancer diagnosis 225 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: over other lies. They say that we're told and just 226 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: when they heard about the cancer. You know, they were 227 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: reaching out and trying to do what they could, but 228 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: they were suspicious. They've never found her to be an 229 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: honest person, but they never thought, you know, it would 230 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 3: get this bad. They told they say that she would 231 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 3: say things like, you know, she grew up in a 232 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: house like Downton Abbey, and you know she was Banker 233 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: of the Year in Bermuda, where she'd been working, and 234 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: there was just story after story, and they would just think, well, 235 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: most of the time, she's pretty normal. So these weird stories, 236 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 3: you know, they're just it's just Nickola. But they're just 237 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 3: disgusted and what she's done. They're really upset. You know, 238 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 3: Nicholas fled the country with her husband and kids. They 239 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: just haven't had contact with the kids, and they just 240 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: want the kids to know how much they're loved and 241 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 3: missed by their family in New Zealand. They want Nicholas 242 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: husband Andrew to know how much they're loved and missed. 243 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 3: And I think that, you know, they've lost lot more 244 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: than just a friend. They've lost contact with people that 245 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 3: they really really love, and they're pretty angry because they 246 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 3: feel that that's you know, Nikola has manipulated their family 247 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: away from them. 248 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: And you mentioned obviously she fled to the UK. Do 249 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: we have any idea where they are now? 250 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: We believe they're in Wales. She has family living in Wales. 251 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: When they first went to the UK, she moved in 252 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 3: with her best friend Emma and stayed with her for 253 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: a while, still maintaining she was having cancer treatment and 254 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: that sort of thing. And then they fell out and 255 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: Nicola and Andrew and the kids went to Wales and 256 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 3: then that's the last Emma's had contact with them, So 257 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: we don't. 258 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 2: Know exactly where they are. 259 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: I've reached out to Nicola and Andrew a number of 260 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 3: times asking them to get in touch, giving both of 261 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 3: them the opportunity to have a chat about what's gone on. 262 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 3: You know, if Nicola can't talk about what's happening and 263 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: with the charges in court, then can she explain the 264 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: cancer diagnosis? 265 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: Can she explained the unexplainable? Really? 266 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 3: Can she tell people why she's told these stories? And 267 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: there's just been no contact at all. 268 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: So what is the likelihood that she will ever come 269 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: back to New Zealand and face these charges in christ Church? 270 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: So the people that know her the best say she'll 271 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: never come back. Why would she. 272 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 3: There is a warrant out for her arrest, so as 273 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 3: soon as she comes back to New Zealand, she will 274 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 3: get arrested. But police have said they weren't extradite. Obviously 275 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: that's a long, lengthy and costly process and it's just 276 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 3: not something they're going to look at for this at 277 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: the stage. So I don't, you know, based on what 278 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: the people that know who the best have said, I 279 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 3: don't think she'll come back, which means, you know, as 280 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: her friends say, they. 281 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: Feel she's gotten away with it. 282 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 3: They would like her to come back and answer the 283 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 3: charges and you know, face up to what she's done allegedly. 284 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 3: But they just they said there's no reason for her 285 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: to come back. 286 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: So thanks for joining us, Anna, thank you. 287 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of. 288 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: The Front Page. 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