1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from News Talks B. 3 00:00:12,747 --> 00:00:15,547 Speaker 2: They throw themselves at the line, Argentainer's over. They take 4 00:00:15,627 --> 00:00:17,907 Speaker 2: back the lane through their thirty nine year old hooker 5 00:00:18,227 --> 00:00:20,707 Speaker 2: and he can't believe it. Thirty three thirty text to 6 00:00:20,787 --> 00:00:24,107 Speaker 2: come and the All Blacks will need to respond. Texts 7 00:00:24,107 --> 00:00:25,587 Speaker 2: to come from directly under. 8 00:00:25,387 --> 00:00:28,347 Speaker 3: The upright, So a last for the All Blacks last night. 9 00:00:28,427 --> 00:00:31,547 Speaker 3: Thirty eight points to thirty. Let's bring in assistant coach 10 00:00:31,747 --> 00:00:34,427 Speaker 3: Jason Holland. Jase, thanks for taking the time for a chat. 11 00:00:34,427 --> 00:00:37,067 Speaker 3: What's the overnight test telling you about what played out 12 00:00:37,147 --> 00:00:37,627 Speaker 3: last night? 13 00:00:38,227 --> 00:00:41,427 Speaker 4: Oh, look, obviously we really disappointed with the outcome and 14 00:00:42,867 --> 00:00:45,267 Speaker 4: some factors of how we went about went about our 15 00:00:45,267 --> 00:00:48,427 Speaker 4: game and how we got pressure on ourselves. So yeah, 16 00:00:48,427 --> 00:00:49,867 Speaker 4: a lot of things we need to we need to 17 00:00:49,867 --> 00:00:51,467 Speaker 4: get to a bit of standard to make sure that 18 00:00:52,627 --> 00:00:54,347 Speaker 4: you know how we want to play next weekend. 19 00:00:54,667 --> 00:00:57,627 Speaker 3: What are some of the things that perhaps I don't 20 00:00:57,627 --> 00:00:59,307 Speaker 3: know whether they kept you all wake last night, but 21 00:00:59,347 --> 00:01:01,627 Speaker 3: the things that are front of mine for you and 22 00:01:01,667 --> 00:01:02,507 Speaker 3: the others this morning. 23 00:01:03,507 --> 00:01:05,667 Speaker 4: Oh, there's a couple of things, like there's a couple 24 00:01:05,707 --> 00:01:07,507 Speaker 4: of times where we really put them under under a 25 00:01:07,507 --> 00:01:09,507 Speaker 4: lot of pressure. Was with some of our skill set 26 00:01:09,547 --> 00:01:10,987 Speaker 4: and some of our playing on top of them, but 27 00:01:11,947 --> 00:01:15,027 Speaker 4: a couple of obvious ones we see the score point 28 00:01:15,147 --> 00:01:16,787 Speaker 4: and then not be able to get our own half. 29 00:01:16,827 --> 00:01:20,467 Speaker 4: And what we've seen is, you know, whenever, whenever we 30 00:01:21,187 --> 00:01:24,147 Speaker 4: Argentina that got into the opposition twenty two, there was 31 00:01:24,187 --> 00:01:26,387 Speaker 4: points came from under when we just were inefficient enough 32 00:01:26,387 --> 00:01:29,187 Speaker 4: at getting out of our own end post points and 33 00:01:29,827 --> 00:01:32,827 Speaker 4: then been able to convert that pressure. So there's a 34 00:01:32,827 --> 00:01:35,187 Speaker 4: game of small margins around the pressure moments, and we 35 00:01:35,227 --> 00:01:36,827 Speaker 4: went good enough in a few and a good few 36 00:01:36,827 --> 00:01:37,587 Speaker 4: of them last night. 37 00:01:37,747 --> 00:01:40,267 Speaker 3: Why was it so challenging to exit your own territory? 38 00:01:41,587 --> 00:01:44,787 Speaker 4: Well, Argentina a good side and they got some really 39 00:01:44,787 --> 00:01:47,907 Speaker 4: good kickoffs going on and put us under pressure. And 40 00:01:47,947 --> 00:01:50,307 Speaker 4: we we you know, with the combination of a little 41 00:01:50,307 --> 00:01:54,227 Speaker 4: bit of skill set around our kick skills and in 42 00:01:54,267 --> 00:01:57,067 Speaker 4: a little bit of understanding the structure and how we're 43 00:01:57,067 --> 00:01:58,507 Speaker 4: going to get out of our own ends. So we'll 44 00:01:58,547 --> 00:02:01,787 Speaker 4: work hard at that this week and make sure that 45 00:02:01,987 --> 00:02:03,707 Speaker 4: we get into into Argentina's half. 46 00:02:04,027 --> 00:02:07,027 Speaker 3: Do you think you kicked too much or not? 47 00:02:08,387 --> 00:02:11,667 Speaker 4: No, we didn't kick too much. We just didn't kick 48 00:02:11,667 --> 00:02:14,347 Speaker 4: acurately enough. And if you kick accurately straight away then 49 00:02:15,427 --> 00:02:18,147 Speaker 4: ideally your nique starting point will be something you can 50 00:02:18,187 --> 00:02:22,347 Speaker 4: play with ball in hand. So yeah, it's all about execution, 51 00:02:22,507 --> 00:02:24,467 Speaker 4: getting ball back when you kick in the year, those 52 00:02:24,467 --> 00:02:25,267 Speaker 4: sorts of things. 53 00:02:25,787 --> 00:02:29,827 Speaker 3: As coaches, how do you address unforced errors because there 54 00:02:29,827 --> 00:02:33,027 Speaker 3: were a few of those last night too, Yeah. 55 00:02:32,907 --> 00:02:37,587 Speaker 4: There was. Yeah, obviously we're challenging boys to you know, 56 00:02:37,667 --> 00:02:41,147 Speaker 4: excuse skill sits under pressure. So we've got to train that. 57 00:02:41,227 --> 00:02:42,627 Speaker 4: We've got to make sure we're under pressure the whole 58 00:02:42,627 --> 00:02:45,187 Speaker 4: week in our skill seat and unnailed on so that 59 00:02:45,227 --> 00:02:48,867 Speaker 4: we again, as I say, apply the pressure Argentina the 60 00:02:48,907 --> 00:02:51,027 Speaker 4: whole time rather than letting them off to hok when 61 00:02:51,067 --> 00:02:52,867 Speaker 4: we feel like we getting on top of them. So 62 00:02:53,267 --> 00:02:55,667 Speaker 4: little things around breakdown, little things around there catch past 63 00:02:55,667 --> 00:02:58,507 Speaker 4: stuff or the little skill seats or something that we 64 00:02:58,627 --> 00:03:00,027 Speaker 4: just got to keep nailing during the week. 65 00:03:00,187 --> 00:03:02,467 Speaker 3: How do you apply pressure on those situations, Jase? Because 66 00:03:02,467 --> 00:03:03,867 Speaker 3: I know you can, you can ask, you know, you 67 00:03:03,907 --> 00:03:06,707 Speaker 3: appliers to keep high standards. But but then of the day, 68 00:03:06,707 --> 00:03:08,347 Speaker 3: in the back of the mind, it is just training. 69 00:03:08,387 --> 00:03:09,947 Speaker 3: How do you how do you apply that pressure in 70 00:03:09,947 --> 00:03:10,867 Speaker 3: a training situation. 71 00:03:12,227 --> 00:03:16,067 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, nothing's really just training. You know, our sessions 72 00:03:16,067 --> 00:03:18,747 Speaker 4: showing the week and especially our Thursday sessions are a 73 00:03:18,827 --> 00:03:23,067 Speaker 4: high speed, no space. The boys that are in the 74 00:03:23,107 --> 00:03:26,067 Speaker 4: twenty three are always applying massive pressure and looking to 75 00:03:26,307 --> 00:03:28,627 Speaker 4: apply just as much, if not more pressure than what 76 00:03:28,627 --> 00:03:31,347 Speaker 4: the opposition and the weekend are going to do. So Thursday, 77 00:03:31,347 --> 00:03:35,187 Speaker 4: we built our weeks at Thursday's high speed, high pressure 78 00:03:35,027 --> 00:03:38,627 Speaker 4: and not much time or space. So yeah, which could 79 00:03:38,627 --> 00:03:40,587 Speaker 4: be more accurately to flow into the game. 80 00:03:40,907 --> 00:03:43,907 Speaker 3: Are the players executing the game plan you want them to? 81 00:03:45,987 --> 00:03:49,587 Speaker 4: Yeah? As I say, yeah, the game plan, And then 82 00:03:49,587 --> 00:03:52,587 Speaker 4: what we're looking to achieve is showing some really good 83 00:03:52,627 --> 00:03:57,387 Speaker 4: moments at times. I suppose we're scoring thirty points but 84 00:03:57,787 --> 00:04:00,107 Speaker 4: being able to you know, as the things we've talked 85 00:04:00,107 --> 00:04:03,147 Speaker 4: aroun around around some of the stuff and putting pressure 86 00:04:03,147 --> 00:04:08,267 Speaker 4: on ourselves is more around execution and and making good 87 00:04:08,267 --> 00:04:10,867 Speaker 4: decisions at good times. So there's a click as a 88 00:04:10,907 --> 00:04:13,707 Speaker 4: coaching group, and there's a plane group when we'll keep 89 00:04:13,747 --> 00:04:16,547 Speaker 4: working really hard at making sure we can execute what 90 00:04:17,627 --> 00:04:18,707 Speaker 4: we intend put out there. 91 00:04:19,147 --> 00:04:21,147 Speaker 3: Did you get what you expected from Argentina? 92 00:04:22,707 --> 00:04:26,707 Speaker 4: Yep, yep, one hundred percent. The mushroom if for the 93 00:04:26,707 --> 00:04:29,027 Speaker 4: court physicality, they're ability to get off the line and 94 00:04:29,027 --> 00:04:33,187 Speaker 4: put pressure on you, and then the carry and that 95 00:04:33,347 --> 00:04:36,987 Speaker 4: they'll big boys and they you know, they've been pretty 96 00:04:36,987 --> 00:04:38,867 Speaker 4: impressive and the lead up and we knew exactly what 97 00:04:38,947 --> 00:04:42,587 Speaker 4: was coming there with both sides of the ball. So yep, 98 00:04:42,587 --> 00:04:45,347 Speaker 4: we got that and uh no, credit to them. They 99 00:04:45,347 --> 00:04:47,507 Speaker 4: were they were, they were good and they heard us 100 00:04:47,507 --> 00:04:49,227 Speaker 4: for a little bit, so we didn't get right. 101 00:04:49,747 --> 00:04:52,867 Speaker 3: And uh, I guess this is all still relatively new 102 00:04:53,107 --> 00:04:54,947 Speaker 3: to you guys as a coaching group. For the first 103 00:04:54,947 --> 00:04:57,467 Speaker 3: time on a Sunday, you're you're picking over the bones 104 00:04:57,507 --> 00:05:00,507 Speaker 3: of a defeat. What what will that process look like 105 00:05:00,587 --> 00:05:02,707 Speaker 3: for the rest of today and into tomorrow? When do 106 00:05:02,747 --> 00:05:05,227 Speaker 3: you when do you finish your review and start looking 107 00:05:05,307 --> 00:05:06,707 Speaker 3: ahead to next Saturday? 108 00:05:06,547 --> 00:05:09,467 Speaker 4: H Yeah, Look, obviously today's a travel day, so we'll 109 00:05:09,507 --> 00:05:12,547 Speaker 4: traveled all done this afternoon. A good few of us 110 00:05:12,547 --> 00:05:17,427 Speaker 4: have been watching watching the footage all morning and having 111 00:05:17,427 --> 00:05:20,267 Speaker 4: some meetings and some conversations around around all the things 112 00:05:20,267 --> 00:05:23,027 Speaker 4: that you and me have just talked around. So we'll 113 00:05:23,707 --> 00:05:26,627 Speaker 4: we'll have lots of conversations as we travel the meetings tonight. 114 00:05:26,747 --> 00:05:30,267 Speaker 4: And we were a view in the morning and then 115 00:05:30,667 --> 00:05:32,947 Speaker 4: look at the way that we're going to look to 116 00:05:32,947 --> 00:05:36,107 Speaker 4: beat Argentina on the weekend on Dunchstein tomorrow and move forwards. 117 00:05:36,107 --> 00:05:39,347 Speaker 4: So we've got the learnings, no idea. This environment was 118 00:05:39,787 --> 00:05:41,947 Speaker 4: hard on each other, having each other as coaches and 119 00:05:41,947 --> 00:05:45,307 Speaker 4: hard each other's players, and we'll we worked really hard 120 00:05:45,307 --> 00:05:48,587 Speaker 4: to make sure. Yeah, we put we put together a 121 00:05:48,627 --> 00:05:49,987 Speaker 4: bit of performance that we did last night. 122 00:05:50,107 --> 00:05:52,067 Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got to frame a reference now with Argentina. 123 00:05:52,107 --> 00:05:53,947 Speaker 3: So do you is it more is it likely that 124 00:05:53,987 --> 00:05:56,187 Speaker 3: you'll just use a similar kind of game plan and 125 00:05:56,227 --> 00:05:58,587 Speaker 3: just look to execute better or do you think there'll 126 00:05:58,587 --> 00:06:01,747 Speaker 3: be tweaks to the game plan our combination. 127 00:06:01,387 --> 00:06:03,587 Speaker 4: Of both, combination of both. There'll be some areas that 128 00:06:03,627 --> 00:06:05,307 Speaker 4: we look at that we say we'll do things a 129 00:06:05,307 --> 00:06:09,067 Speaker 4: little bit differently to put them under more precious. So 130 00:06:09,987 --> 00:06:12,347 Speaker 4: it's a good point. You just you've you've got a 131 00:06:12,387 --> 00:06:14,067 Speaker 4: plan in place for one week and then you look 132 00:06:14,107 --> 00:06:15,867 Speaker 4: at it and we'll tweak it. But it'll be a 133 00:06:15,867 --> 00:06:16,707 Speaker 4: combination of both. 134 00:06:16,907 --> 00:06:18,587 Speaker 3: All right, Hey, thanks, Jason, I'm going to plan to 135 00:06:18,587 --> 00:06:21,907 Speaker 3: catch appreciate you by taking our call. Jason Holland, assistant 136 00:06:21,907 --> 00:06:23,787 Speaker 3: coach of the All Blacks. 137 00:06:23,787 --> 00:06:26,987 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, Listen live 138 00:06:27,107 --> 00:06:30,507 Speaker 1: to news Talks b weekends from midday, or follow the 139 00:06:30,507 --> 00:06:32,027 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio