1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Now Northland's third face Well dog attack in four years 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: is creating urgency around the need for animal control. A 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: woman was more to death at a home in Kaihu yesterday. 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: Shane Jones was on Radio New Zealand this morning saying 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: severe jail terms should be considered for owners of dangerous dogs. 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: The dogs are lethal, the dogs are homicidal, but what's 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: really feral is the character of the owners. If your 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: level of negligence is such that someone has died, then sorry, 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: you're going to face the consequences. 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: MP for Northland Grant McCallum's with us helogram you get afternoon, Heather, 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: Oh what's your plan? 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 3: What's my plan? 13 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 4: Well, initially I'm going to want to catch up with 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 4: the local councils, the mayors and say to them, right, team, 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 4: where are we at, what are we doing to We 16 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 4: have to address this issue in the short term, whether 17 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 4: it's more enforcement officers or whatever. But fundamentally I'm there 18 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 4: to actually highlight to say, right, what do we need 19 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 4: to do to address this issue? Is becoming far too 20 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 4: common unforectly in the North and are not in other 21 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 4: parts of the country as well, and we've got to. 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 3: Look what the government can do to assist our. 23 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 4: Councils in terms of there's any law reform required or 24 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 4: regulations changes to get outcomes as quite frankly, it's just 25 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 4: not acceptable and there are some things we can look 26 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 4: at doing. 27 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: Is it true that there are people in chipatter who 28 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 1: have to arm themselves with sticks to fend off roaming dogs? 29 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 4: That would I would just think that it's highly like 30 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 4: to be the case, and that is wrong. And this 31 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 4: is why we need to actually we need as a 32 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 4: community take ownership of this. Councils need to really get 33 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 4: on and do their job, which is to enforce the 34 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 4: regulations as they are. But I just think there's also 35 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 4: we've got too many dogs out there, and. 36 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: You have to question some of the breeds. 37 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 4: So the question becomes do we look at a stronger 38 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 4: desexing policy and going forward? And also some of the 39 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 4: breeds are these dogs? Do we are there some breeds 40 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 4: that we just don't need it? 41 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: But hang, okay, how has it got What is supposed 42 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: to do if you've got roaming dogs in ar HIPAA, 43 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:03,919 Speaker 1: what are they supposed to do with those dogs? 44 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: They're supposed to pick them up and take them to 45 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: the pound. 46 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 4: And why and that is a good question, and that 47 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 4: is what I want to discuss with the councils because ultimately, 48 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 4: this is if it's a resourcing issue. Ultimately that's a 49 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 4: choice issue that the councils have to make about resourcing up. 50 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: But here's the other question. Why is it that apparently 51 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 1: animal control went round to this woman's house because they'd 52 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: been warned about these dogs and the dogs were still there. 53 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: Those are very good questions. 54 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 4: I just gotta be careful in this in this case 55 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 4: because I understand there is a police investigation, so I 56 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 4: just want to I think we just just packed that 57 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 4: to one side at the moment. But in general terms, 58 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 4: if if dangerous dogs are identified, then I would expect 59 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 4: that the council officers would be doing their job and 60 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 4: do something about that. 61 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 3: We need to look at it. 62 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: Okay, how far are you prepared to take this grant? 63 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: What do you want to happen? Like, let's say you've 64 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: got roaming dogs in ar HIPAA. What should have to 65 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: those dogs? 66 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 4: Well, they should be picked that they should be picked 67 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 4: up and taken to the pound then and if there's 68 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 4: a point and ultimately they if they if they're dangerous 69 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 4: dogs and or no owners coming forward to take them 70 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 4: own them because obviously quite often they're not registered. 71 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: Then the ultimately they'll be put down. Okay, just that 72 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 3: is just the life of the unfortunate outcomes. But we can't. 73 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 4: And but ultimately too we need to then look at 74 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 4: the owners of some of these animals and say, come on, 75 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 4: this is not good enough. And and people need to 76 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 4: individuals need to be held to account for the way 77 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 4: they look after these animals. 78 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: Okay, what and what would you like to have? What 79 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: what rules would you like to change so that animal 80 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: can control control can go to a place like this 81 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: woman's house, see a whole bunch of pit bulls that 82 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: are causing problems chasing people up and down the street. 83 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: What should they be able to do in that instance? 84 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 4: Well, if these I won't talk about the specific case, 85 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 4: but in terms of general generally speaking, if you go 86 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 4: to a property and there are dangerous dogs and not 87 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 4: be looked after and be aggressive, then ultimately they need 88 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 4: to be able to take them, take them into the pound, 89 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 4: and ultimately if they if the dogs are shown to 90 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 4: be dangerous, then they should probably be put down because 91 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 4: we do not need dogs like this in our society. 92 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 4: That is for sure, because unfortunately, when people got to 93 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 4: the point where individuals are being are being killed or maimed, 94 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 4: it's just not. 95 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 3: Acceptable, I think. 96 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: I mean, would you agree that whatever happens next, there 97 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: needs to be a tightening up of the rules because 98 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: it is like it seems to me the councils are 99 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: trying their absolute hardest, but they just they haven't got 100 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: the rules on their side. They can't really do what 101 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: they need to do. 102 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 3: And in some cases that may well be the case. 103 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 4: So as while we are very focused as a government 104 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 4: saying yes and I'm going to certainly put some submissions 105 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 4: into this to the Minister, say we need to relook 106 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 4: at this, and I know he's open to that, Say 107 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 4: what do we need to do to allow the counselors 108 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 4: to do to take the do they'll do a better job. 109 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 4: But ultimately it might still come down to resourcing for 110 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 4: those councils to actually say, right, this is a priority, 111 00:04:58,279 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 4: We've got to own it. 112 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff, Haylo Grant. By the way, where Simon, 113 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: Oh Simon's overseas, isn't he? 114 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 3: Yes, he's over at the He's doing climate change stuff 115 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: overseas here. 116 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: Though, Oh lord, I bet you he'd rather be back 117 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: here dealing with the dogs. Grant, thank you mate, look 118 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: after yourself. That's Grant Mcallum, MP for Northland. Simon is 119 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: of course Simon Watts, who is the Minister for Local Government. 120 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: Because these rules that need to change at the local 121 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: government level so we can start shooting the dogs basically. Anyway, 122 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: we'll come back to this shortly. And correction, I said it. 123 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: I said Shane Jones was talking to rad in New Zealand. 124 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: He wasn't. He was talking to the boys earlier, Tyler 125 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 1: and Matt, and I don't want to get in trouble 126 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: with them, so I had to correct that. 127 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 3: For more from hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to 128 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: news talks. 129 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 4: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 130 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 4: on iHeartRadio.