Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Francesca Rudkin and I'm Louise Aria, and this
Speaker 1: is season three of our New Zealand Here podcast, The
Speaker 1: Little Things, a podcast where we talk to experts and
Speaker 1: we find out all the little things that you need
Speaker 1: to know to improve all areas of your life and
Speaker 1: cut through the confusion and overload of information out there.
Speaker 2: We all know how overwhelming it can be. So we're
Speaker 2: going to do things but differently today always we are yes, okay,
Speaker 2: So we are going to bring you not just one expert,
Speaker 2: but two. We are going to tackle hair queries and
Speaker 2: we are also going to take a fresh look at
Speaker 2: cosmetic procedures from facials to fillers and some other things
Speaker 2: that women are doing to improve their quality of life. Luise, which,
Speaker 2: don't I some surprises in there? Oh yeah? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think probably the biggest questions that we have around these
Speaker 2: things are you know, are these procedures risky and are
Speaker 2: they worth it? So we'll be asking all the questions
Speaker 2: that you might have thought about but never had the
Speaker 2: opportunity to do.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I think there'll be some surprises in there
Speaker 1: for all of us. Last season, I think you hopefully
Speaker 1: you remember, we did an episode with doct Karen McDonald
Speaker 1: about what we you know, got into all things skin care.
Speaker 1: And you know, I was very pleasantly surprised going from
Speaker 1: my life and you're glowing. Well, I'm on moisturized, I'm
Speaker 1: on my i am moisturized. I've gone from putting the
Speaker 1: moisturizer from my from my legs onto my face to
Speaker 1: putting the excess moisturizer from the face onto my legs.
Speaker 2: So that's that's a good thing. Hey.
Speaker 1: But and it was quite simple really actually, I just
Speaker 1: needed someone to explain what a regime actually is and
Speaker 1: what you really need and what you don't need, and
Speaker 1: that's where you need to spend your money.
Speaker 2: It was a good app Go and have a listen
Speaker 2: if you haven't.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was fun.
Speaker 1: And look at what probably surprised to hear that I'm
Speaker 1: as just as lazy, uninvested in my.
Speaker 2: Hair as I was with my skin.
Speaker 1: And I'm not particularly good at sitting in the cell
Speaker 1: on chair either. I always feel better afterwards. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember Franchiscuaba, when I had a
Speaker 1: wig during chemo, people could not quite believe it was
Speaker 1: me because the wig was so much better than my groom.
Speaker 2: All these mothers would come up to me at the
Speaker 2: schoolgate going Looi's just looks amazing. Have you seen she
Speaker 2: just looks amazing. We're like, yeah, yeah, No. She never
Speaker 2: paid any attention to her to a hair, and now
Speaker 2: she's got this beautifully quaffed wig and looks so glamorous.
Speaker 2: It was sort of an It's sort of a bit
Speaker 2: of an insult in a compliment. At the same time.
Speaker 1: It's hard to convince people I wasn't very well, wasn't it?
Speaker 1: Because I looked so much better? But you are more vigilant.
Speaker 3: Look.
Speaker 2: I am more vigilant about hair care. And that's because
Speaker 2: my hairdresser gave me this lovely color of copper gold.
Speaker 2: I'm a light redhead, which actually might surprise you. I'm not,
Speaker 2: and I've had it for so long. It's me and
Speaker 2: I just I'm attached to it. And I think when
Speaker 2: you do have a color, you have to look after it.
Speaker 2: And also I've always been told I think my mother
Speaker 2: or my grandmother or something said to me, if you're
Speaker 2: going to have long hair, frinchescu, you've got to look
Speaker 2: after it. So I have. I'm quite good at getting
Speaker 2: colours and cats but I do not use flash products.
Speaker 2: I cannot afford that I get my shampoo from the supermarket. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm very lazy when it comes to how I care
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we all could probably do a little
Speaker 1: bit more for ourselves and for a hair. And as
Speaker 1: you know, I've made clear roots and a thing for
Speaker 1: me anymore. I have gray hair. It grew back gray.
Speaker 1: I didn't see the point in dying it again. And
Speaker 1: I don't have a strong opinion on whether somebody should
Speaker 1: be gray or not gay.
Speaker 2: Totally out to you, Yeah, do what you like.
Speaker 1: There are times where I, you know, I miss the
Speaker 1: conditioning that a good color gave me. So hopefully our
Speaker 1: guest today can give us some solutions around how to
Speaker 1: bring a bit.
Speaker 2: More life back to gray here or any here actually,
Speaker 2: so joining us today to talk all things here is
Speaker 2: the founder of Blunt Edition in Auckland, Brad Leaper. Brad
Speaker 2: is a renowned stylist with a global reputation. He is
Speaker 2: an international educator working alongside global hair care products and brands.
Speaker 2: Brad is a celebrated hair expert. He's got twenty four
Speaker 2: years experience and we are lucky to have him join
Speaker 2: us to answer some of our hairy questions. So thank
Speaker 2: you so much for joining us, Brad, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we just discussed how sensitive a topic of
Speaker 1: this is for me. But anyway, what are the main
Speaker 1: issues and changes you've noticed in women's here as they age.
Speaker 3: I think it's a thing that's not discussed enough. So
Speaker 3: a lot of people come into the chair and they
Speaker 3: sort of have these concerns that no one's talking about.
Speaker 3: It's the biggest thing. So I think it's more about
Speaker 3: our hair loss is one thing as well as getting
Speaker 3: gray hair. The hair texture changing as well is a
Speaker 3: big thing as well, and they find that there's not
Speaker 3: a lot of information out there on the s side
Speaker 3: of things.
Speaker 2: You can google it, but.
Speaker 1: You never really get a clear answer. You say, hair
Speaker 1: loss are you talking? Is that an age related issue?
Speaker 1: Particularly age related? It can be hormone related as well.
Speaker 1: It can be stress related, dietry as well. Low iron
Speaker 1: is a big one as well. So there's so many
Speaker 1: factors that you're looking through. So when they can how
Speaker 1: to the chee, you've got to analyze them as much
Speaker 1: you can while they're there, and then from there you'll
Speaker 1: start sort of trying to break down what we can
Speaker 1: do as hairtresses.
Speaker 2: So how does our hair condition change from when we're
Speaker 2: teenagers through lives and especially for women if you go
Speaker 2: through pregnancy and perimenopause and menopause and things time.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the thing too is you're losing keratsin,
Speaker 3: which is a big thing, and keratin is you start
Speaker 3: losing that when you're about I think it's about thirty
Speaker 3: five upwards. It can be younger. And so when you've
Speaker 3: got that beautiful glossy hair as youster, you know is
Speaker 3: that what keratin does is plus it's a protein, it's
Speaker 3: a flexive protein, and your hair, skin, nails throughout your body.
Speaker 3: But you do deplead it as you get older. So
Speaker 3: and hence why like keratin treatments have become such a
Speaker 3: big thing. But you've got a lot more things you've
Speaker 3: got to think about as well as like your diet
Speaker 3: is a big one.
Speaker 2: What else as we age obviously there's you know, you
Speaker 2: hear a lot of women talk about it and as
Speaker 2: they getting older, they lose more hair or the hair
Speaker 2: might become more brittle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's again it's just it could be hormone
Speaker 3: rated as well. So if go premenopause is a big one.
Speaker 3: My wife's going through that at this stage. So it's
Speaker 3: one of those things that you you can monitor, but
Speaker 3: your doctor's your best porch of core. Get all your
Speaker 3: test done, make sure your eye is such a scratch.
Speaker 3: Make sure that you're eating the right food is a
Speaker 3: big one, and you want to make sure you've got
Speaker 3: good quality proteins you can. Diet is a big one.
Speaker 1: So that that time that you have a shower and
Speaker 1: suddenly you just notice a whole lot more here coming
Speaker 1: out than used to. You know you're used to. That's
Speaker 1: the time to go and perhaps check all of those things.
Speaker 3: Your old monitor at first, because you have got season
Speaker 3: or fall out, which no one talks about as well.
Speaker 3: Wh what's that you sit a little bit? Yeah, you too,
Speaker 3: and normally it's around about winter time. Just you too,
Speaker 3: shit and so you're you on average, you'll lose about
Speaker 3: fifty to one hundred here today, and so that's normal.
Speaker 3: If you're tying your hair up, you'll notice more because
Speaker 3: you've hold that here into that punny towel. As soon
Speaker 3: as you start brushing it, it starts coming out. So what
Speaker 3: you've got is if it's going anywhere over one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty to three hundred hairs a day, and it's
Speaker 3: consistently doing that way, Then you start thinking about what.
Speaker 2: Does that look like? Is that like a palm of.
Speaker 3: What is like a palm of hair? So if you're
Speaker 3: washing your hair, I find this more my wife cut
Speaker 3: off and wish you'll leave little bits of hair. I'm like,
Speaker 3: all right, we're up to that stage. Yeah, so we've
Speaker 3: or your little your trap like you. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 3: the situation. So if your husband and your partner is
Speaker 3: is finding that, then I'm very diligent with hair.
Speaker 1: As the only person who does take the hair out
Speaker 1: of the trap in the shower, I I then don't.
Speaker 2: Have any qualm about it being my hair. It's fine.
Speaker 2: But that is really interesting about sitting because as you
Speaker 2: can see, it got quite a lot of hair, and
Speaker 2: it does drop around the house on occasion. A member
Speaker 2: of the family. Just go your hairs everywhere, and I'll
Speaker 2: be actually able to say, now it's seasonal, it's natural,
Speaker 2: I'm shitting deal with it.
Speaker 3: It's pretty.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 2: I'm good to know. That's a really useful piece of information.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 1: I have heard of women I can't really cast my
Speaker 1: mind back. There's so much to think about postpartum. But
Speaker 1: I have heard of postpartum hair loss as well, or
Speaker 1: little fluffy bits in the front.
Speaker 3: Is that that is really common? So your hairline is
Speaker 3: a different texture of hair, so it's not going to
Speaker 3: have the same density or thickness as the rest of
Speaker 3: your hair. So all of your hairlines through the back
Speaker 3: end as well. So when a colorist is coloring your hair,
Speaker 3: they normally would have had that last because it will
Speaker 3: absorb a lot more color quicker, so it's less melanine,
Speaker 3: less thickness, therefore it deposits quicker.
Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: So that's why when you do your updo you get
Speaker 1: all that fluffy stuff at the bottom because that's super frustrating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again as we age, that comes more brittle,
Speaker 3: so therefore you see more of that, so it's not
Speaker 3: growing as strong. It's the best best way to think
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: What about if you've just naturally got them here or
Speaker 1: if your hair is sitting are there specific styles that
Speaker 1: will help us sort of create that look of volume.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the shorter you go, the easier is to create volume.
Speaker 3: So if you've got more length, that's going to drag
Speaker 3: down the actual hair shape and so therefore're going to
Speaker 3: feel thinner on that top section. So there's the shag,
Speaker 3: which is really great. We've got shorter pieces, but it's
Speaker 3: still quite long. There is a bob, so anything you're
Speaker 3: stacking one length on will create more volume. The Pixi
Speaker 3: cut is great as well, So all these classic cuts
Speaker 3: that have been around for a long time are awesome.
Speaker 2: Random question. If people come in and they have a
Speaker 2: Pinterest board of looks that they want, can heedras actually
Speaker 2: really achieve that look for the customer.
Speaker 3: That's the biggest one. I think as hair dresses, we've
Speaker 3: had to adapt. So originally would have magazine covers, so
Speaker 3: if someone bring the photo, it'll be that sit away.
Speaker 3: Now you've got streams of hairstyles, and I think you've
Speaker 3: got to be realistic with your client as well and
Speaker 3: sit them down and say, hey, this is your hair texture,
Speaker 3: this is what we've got, and this is what we
Speaker 3: can do. But a lot of the times they're bringing
Speaker 3: in a photo because they're like the feeling, it's not
Speaker 3: that hairstyle itself. So you need us to think about
Speaker 3: their lifestyle is one thing to they blow right that
Speaker 3: often to the use ions do they have curly or straight?
Speaker 3: And then start diagnosing off that.
Speaker 2: Because I imagine you could say to people I couldn't
Speaker 2: do this, and you could leave here and looking like this,
Speaker 2: but you won't look like this tomorrow till you come back.
Speaker 3: And there's the biggest story, I think where we've got.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a picture, it's got a hairdresser, makeup artist, stylist,
Speaker 3: retoucher behind that, and we're having to dial it down
Speaker 3: a bit.
Speaker 2: So sorry, back to volume, so we can cut volume in,
Speaker 2: we can get it, We can help there. What about products,
Speaker 2: because it seems like every time I mentioned something, someone's
Speaker 2: very quick to sort of put a very expensive product
Speaker 2: in front of my face and I have to sort
Speaker 2: of say, I can afford the cut, I can't the color,
Speaker 2: but I can't afford the product. But the products make
Speaker 2: a difference.
Speaker 3: They make a difference. So I think it's a lot
Speaker 3: to like. Skincare is a big one to fall into that.
Speaker 3: So you've got a cleanser, which is your shampoo. You've
Speaker 3: got a condition, and that condition is mainly done for
Speaker 3: the hair itself, but you have got a scalp conditioner
Speaker 3: as well that you can't buy, so it is products
Speaker 3: on products. But if you think about your skincare is
Speaker 3: very similar. If you're wanting volume, I try to stay
Speaker 3: away from sea salt sprays like sulfates because it's going
Speaker 3: to create an irritant on the scalp and therefore you're
Speaker 3: going to get more itchy, dry scalp, more hairful out.
Speaker 3: So what I'd do with volume is I normally do
Speaker 3: a dry shampoo when it's tail dried on the scalp
Speaker 3: and those areas that you want volume, and I blow
Speaker 3: dry that in so it's like a powder that's going
Speaker 3: to absorb it a little bit of oil, but let's
Speaker 3: still allow the oils to come out as well.
Speaker 1: All right, So just putting the dry shampoo through, so
Speaker 1: we could do this at home. Of course, just putting
Speaker 1: the dry shampoo through might not do it, but actually
Speaker 1: blow drying it and spray and rush off.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the biggest complaint with dry shampoos has
Speaker 3: a white residue and so as soon as you put
Speaker 3: it in your hare is slightly damp, starts sucking that
Speaker 3: the residue up, and then when you blow try it
Speaker 3: will just take that white film away as well.
Speaker 2: It's going to be tricky for me because I normally
Speaker 2: use the dry shampoo in the car as I'm on
Speaker 2: my way. My daughter and I share it on the
Speaker 2: way to work. She'll I'll be dropping her at school
Speaker 2: and she'll be spraying it in, and then I'll spread
Speaker 2: it and then we open the windows and we look
Speaker 2: like we've been vaping as it all as it all
Speaker 2: goes out the way, that white sort that part of
Speaker 2: it has put me off those. So that is a
Speaker 2: good one.
Speaker 3: And there is ones out that to have a tint
Speaker 3: in it, so you can use it almost as a
Speaker 3: retouched tint that will give you the same volume as well.
Speaker 1: Hey, look, something that seems to be occurring when we're
Speaker 1: talking about hair loss and thinning here or just having
Speaker 1: very thin Here are the products available that will help.
Speaker 2: I've heard about a nioxine is.
Speaker 3: That an oxen now no accent, is a shampoo and
Speaker 3: scalp conditioner, and you can get a booster th as well,
Speaker 3: so that all they say that sort of keeps seventy
Speaker 3: percent more hair in your head, which is a great thing.
Speaker 3: And again going through skincare in sort of trying to
Speaker 3: keep your scalp nourished and moisturize as well, and then
Speaker 3: putting a protective layer over the top so it's not
Speaker 3: getting artificial things coming back into your scalp.
Speaker 2: Is that off the shelf or is it from your salon?
Speaker 3: It's a sell on only products. It's an amazing product.
Speaker 2: So you're coming. If your hair is regrowing after chemo
Speaker 2: and it's coming back thinner than normal, that would be
Speaker 2: a good time tote.
Speaker 3: It's a great way to simulate the scalp. So that's
Speaker 3: what it's trying to do, is trying to bring more
Speaker 3: blood flow back to the scalp, and therefore it's followle
Speaker 3: is going to get more fed pretty much.
Speaker 2: And then is it something you have to continue using
Speaker 2: or will you actually over a period of time see
Speaker 2: an improvement in your hair and you're good.
Speaker 3: Well, this is an interesting one because we've gone through
Speaker 3: just not washing your hair so much, right, and so
Speaker 3: this one you've got to do a thirty day every day.
Speaker 3: It's a complete flip on the top of the head.
Speaker 3: But this is more about your averse dropout. They've got
Speaker 3: different levels from one to six and depending off it's
Speaker 3: treated or not treated, or how much hair you losing
Speaker 3: is what products you'll go on in that range.
Speaker 1: Okay, and also just the theory about maybe led light
Speaker 1: lights that's different again though Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's similar thought pattern where it's trying to bring simulation
Speaker 3: back to the actual follicle. So all we'res trying to
Speaker 3: do is bring blood flow back to your scalp area.
Speaker 3: And so you know, with products we're using, could be
Speaker 3: over trying your scalp as one thing, but what you're
Speaker 3: trying to do is flush it through with natural blood
Speaker 3: flow as your peaks one.
Speaker 1: So there are definitely new and interesting options for you know,
Speaker 1: thinning and losing here.
Speaker 3: It's getting more and more so I think it's a
Speaker 3: lot more research. I think as we're talking about today,
Speaker 3: it's now becoming a topic. We would just say nothing
Speaker 3: and just get a fringe. It will be that simple,
Speaker 3: but now we're discussing about you here. Fall out for
Speaker 3: females as well as males, and so females is one
Speaker 3: out of three as following that sort of fall out
Speaker 3: and males is one out of two.
Speaker 2: What about sick he and this is something which I've
Speaker 2: heard Louise talk about a lot. The bosfect as the
Speaker 2: weight of her hair sort of you know, makes you
Speaker 2: bend over in two Well.
Speaker 1: If I have it, so you were saying before, I
Speaker 1: have the the problem, and I think it has been
Speaker 1: since it's grown back post chemotherapy. But if I went
Speaker 1: shorter into a bob, I get the triangle, I get
Speaker 1: the buff better, and the stylist in the salon can
Speaker 1: get it slick ass. And then that's, as I say,
Speaker 1: the last time it ever looks like that until I
Speaker 1: go back. But I did have a recent not that recently.
Speaker 1: I had a cut not long ago, but just just
Speaker 1: took strips and strips from underneath. Is that how you
Speaker 1: deal with you? Can?
Speaker 3: I mean, you've got great hair for one thing? Is
Speaker 3: that just give you that strail? But the thing is,
Speaker 3: it's again it's trying to find the hairstyle that will
Speaker 3: create volume instudent areas of the head. So you could
Speaker 3: go for a bob if it was a little bit
Speaker 3: shorter at the back longer than the front. Therefore keep
Speaker 3: that weight in the front that's not triangling out. So
Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that you can talk to
Speaker 3: your hairdresser about. How could I create volume hair but
Speaker 3: still not make it triangular. It would be the biggest
Speaker 3: biggest thing. But it's again it could be down to products,
Speaker 3: yes something, Yeah, it could be down to he protect
Speaker 3: the sprays. Someone was the best thing you could get.
Speaker 3: It will give a bit more nourishment to the hair,
Speaker 3: not over dry it, but it will keep it quite
Speaker 3: sleek as well.
Speaker 1: And I have had to learn about heat protected to spray,
Speaker 1: particularly since going gray, because even the heat just yellows
Speaker 1: the hair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a big that's a big one too, because
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't understand that gray hair does
Speaker 3: go yellow. And so hence where you've got purple shampoos
Speaker 3: or conditioners that will counteract that a little bit.
Speaker 2: So is it naturally going yellow or is it the
Speaker 2: way we treat it in products we use?
Speaker 3: Ask good questions. Naturally going yellow? So even if you're
Speaker 3: in the sun, you'll still get some sort of bleach
Speaker 3: off the sun.
Speaker 1: That was prete So the other thing I was going
Speaker 1: to ask you about was will use serums on our faces?
Speaker 2: What is a hair serum?
Speaker 3: His terereum is a water silicon, So it's there's different
Speaker 3: forms out there, but it's pretty much what it is.
Speaker 3: So it can keep a coach over the hare if
Speaker 3: it's a serum. You've got serums now that have a
Speaker 3: treatment based inside it, So you've got set up woods,
Speaker 3: set wood and argon, and argon is the active ingredients
Speaker 3: for sleeking down their hair. But your setur wood and
Speaker 3: set wade draw out the moisture so it's not going oily,
Speaker 3: which is the biggest problem with silicons on the market.
Speaker 3: So you've got to really just it's like skinky. You've
Speaker 3: got to go through a few ranges, and oils can
Speaker 3: go from twenty dollars to one hundred and fifty, but
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that you have to go to the extreme.
Speaker 3: So you can find one that's middle range that will
Speaker 3: work very well as well.
Speaker 2: And when do you use a serum?
Speaker 3: I would put it on when it's wet because when
Speaker 3: your here is wheat, your hair is open, so it
Speaker 3: can absorb a lot more product inside it. When it's dry,
Speaker 3: it can only go on the external layer. It's probably
Speaker 3: the best way to.
Speaker 2: Think, right, yeah, good, is it possible to put an
Speaker 2: effort into your hair twice a week, you know, style
Speaker 2: it well and make it last, you know, for a
Speaker 2: couple of days, and then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think please do I think that's the best
Speaker 3: way you should be doing it. You should be thinking
Speaker 3: about style one, Style two, Style three, rewash. I think
Speaker 3: the less you can wash your hair, the better it
Speaker 3: is for it. And there's amazing treatments out there that
Speaker 3: can revitalize those ends, give moisture back, and you're not
Speaker 3: having to wash it as much to start from scratch.
Speaker 1: Akin When you say the less, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: A week so sweet? Great? Yeah, so I think curly
Speaker 3: hair needs less personally, the more it has that, that's
Speaker 3: time to actually develop in the hair a lot better
Speaker 3: it comes down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I found it straight and needles as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more shit. So if you're over washing your
Speaker 3: hair using sulfates, therefore you're stripping a lot of those
Speaker 3: natural oils off.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to share more than you probably want
Speaker 2: to hear. Bread But Lou and I we run together
Speaker 2: a couple times a week and we run uphills and
Speaker 2: that makes me sweet, even in the middle of winter.
Speaker 2: And I do sweet a lot. On My hair does
Speaker 2: sweat a lot. My head sweats a lot, and I
Speaker 2: hate that. So after a run, I want to wash
Speaker 2: my hair. Is there something else I can do there?
Speaker 2: I mean it sweats enough. I mean in summer in
Speaker 2: the humidity, you gotta wash it. Like sometimes I get home,
Speaker 2: I think I'll probably get away with a bit of
Speaker 2: dry shampoo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so oil can release oil as well. So if
Speaker 3: you feel like it's quite oily, you can put like
Speaker 3: an oil stem over the top, give it a blow dry.
Speaker 3: If it's wet, you probably will blow dried or let
Speaker 3: it try naturally, but you don't need to wash it
Speaker 3: as much. So those oils that are coming out of
Speaker 3: your scalping and running actually quite good oils. Okay, so
Speaker 3: your natural body is going to produce a great thing
Speaker 3: for your hair. Keep those, just try keep as much.
Speaker 2: Just try and keep a little bit more of them.
Speaker 2: That's franchise. That's it'll be bad. Yeah, hard. So if
Speaker 2: I get home, you don't wash it.
Speaker 3: If you if you need to, you can just you
Speaker 3: could just rinse it. I mean you're wet as it is.
Speaker 3: I'd imagine I run as well, and I look like
Speaker 3: a wet rat when I finish, So it's rinsed it out.
Speaker 3: So if you got all the natural sulfates that you
Speaker 3: release rents those way, you can put a little bit
Speaker 3: of conditioning if you want.
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. But don't just do the
Speaker 2: shampoo the tradition, don't you know, you go through that
Speaker 2: whole Palaba won't give it a.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you won't need that. I mean I think day
Speaker 3: three you'll find those oil built up. But if you're
Speaker 3: renting it, that could be enough to just release the
Speaker 3: oil out.
Speaker 1: Okay, great thing telling Another little weird benefit of washing
Speaker 1: here only once a week. It's when you have your
Speaker 1: everything shower where you're doing everything, shaving legs and everything.
Speaker 2: You feel like Cinderella when you get that out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, every hugees I've even met said
Speaker 1: you're such a before and after Louise, But I'm even
Speaker 1: like that at home. I just feel so good, you
Speaker 1: know that day that I'm giving myself to treat myself.
Speaker 3: To treat Yeah, that's right, it's true.
Speaker 2: It was interesting just talking about products. You know, you've said, Look,
Speaker 2: there is such a range. At the end of the day.
Speaker 2: It comes down to sort of what you can afford,
Speaker 2: I suppose, and finding a range that works for you.
Speaker 2: You know, something that doesn't make your skullpit chi or
Speaker 2: you feel like you're getting your money's worth. Are there
Speaker 2: some good cheaper products that are just as good as
Speaker 2: expensive ones.
Speaker 3: I would stay with professional ranges. Yep, would be the
Speaker 3: best thought pattern. So you got your Sebastians your well
Speaker 3: as your lorrial is your so on. They've got a
Speaker 3: lot more research in them. Okay, it's pretty what comes
Speaker 3: down to. There's guys spend millions of dollars on a
Speaker 3: shampoo before they release it. So when I'm not saying
Speaker 3: grab it, but if you're going to grab one, there
Speaker 3: is a big difference between shampoos from a soup market
Speaker 3: compared to so so it's hard to judge between the two.
Speaker 2: Because I grabbed the old lorril off the shaft of
Speaker 2: the souper market that in the condition and you know
Speaker 2: what I'm not. I think maybe over time I noticed
Speaker 2: a difference. But compared to when I had the money
Speaker 2: to buy expensive shampoos, I think maybe if I just
Speaker 2: had I've got one sort of good product I put
Speaker 2: in to prevent the you know, before I dry, what
Speaker 2: did you call it?
Speaker 3: The heat protector, the hair protector.
Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure that my hair is the same
Speaker 2: as when I was if you weren't washing it as
Speaker 2: often expensive.
Speaker 3: Now about the bars the bars are big, I think
Speaker 3: you're the bars are bee I mean, I've trialed them
Speaker 3: with clients. It's a hit and miss. I think it's again,
Speaker 3: like any skin care or hair treatment, it's unifying when
Speaker 3: that works and one that doesn't. There's even no shampoo
Speaker 3: shampoos out there as well, so there's a lot of
Speaker 3: things coming out on the market, but we're just studying that.
Speaker 3: But at this stage, we've got all the components in
Speaker 3: those shampoos and conditions that are helping.
Speaker 2: Best coverage for gray. Between salon visits.
Speaker 3: You've got little spray masks which are great, little sort
Speaker 3: of eyelash touch ups which are great if you're worried
Speaker 3: about it's coming out a little bit quicker as gray,
Speaker 3: talk to your hairstyles about it. So instead of just
Speaker 3: saturating your hair with color, maybe add a little bit
Speaker 3: of lightness where those grades are coming out so you
Speaker 3: can start sort of getting multi dimensional through that color.
Speaker 2: And I had that problem recently this year. My hair
Speaker 2: has been growing so fast. The red growth has been
Speaker 2: coming back really really quickly, like much quicker than normal,
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, on, this isn't good.
Speaker 3: Hi T hi T. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the old estrogen's kind of which is great. I
Speaker 2: love it. I love the fact my hair's growing really fast.
Speaker 2: But it's actually hugely inconvenient as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was gonna ask quite obviously don't have
Speaker 1: the root problem. But and that is a liberating feeling,
Speaker 1: I will say, but do people have to come back
Speaker 1: so they could do something other than coming back every
Speaker 1: three weeks to get their roots done?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, you deficly can. You can put wherever the
Speaker 3: heirline is. You can start putting lighter pieces through that
Speaker 3: hairline or that wherever that part is, so you're making
Speaker 3: it multidin insual instead of one tone all over the head,
Speaker 3: and you're just seeing those gray roots come out. So
Speaker 3: where those gray roots you can start filtering out with
Speaker 3: a lighter color. Doesn't mean you have to go blanche.
Speaker 3: There's a grand kind of look at sort of fels
Speaker 3: to it, but it's but you can still start maintaining it.
Speaker 3: But a little bit better sit up forsiting us as much.
Speaker 2: Is that how you do transition?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Great, So if you decide if you're thinking, okay, I'm done, Yeah,
Speaker 2: So how long can it take to transition? I suppose
Speaker 2: it depends on how gray you are.
Speaker 3: Right, It depends on how gray you are that's a
Speaker 3: really good So the thing is as well as how
Speaker 3: much they want to release, because sometimes you want to
Speaker 3: do it part by part, so it might want to
Speaker 3: do front hairline first and then start growing into that.
Speaker 3: A lot of my clients will do front hairline because
Speaker 3: it's quite a cute money piece in a sense, and
Speaker 3: then you start moving from that backwards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think after through lockdown there are a lot
Speaker 1: of women who transistioned.
Speaker 3: Yeah I was gonna say that, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was on Instagram and everything too, and some
Speaker 1: were pretty bloody severe, but they weren't going out, so
Speaker 1: who came it?
Speaker 3: And then she chopped it to a bob and there
Speaker 3: she was. Yeah, and I love gray hair. I think
Speaker 3: it's absally amazing. It's sort of it's good to see
Speaker 3: it actually have a trend now because they're always about
Speaker 3: cover it up, cover it up, and now it's about
Speaker 3: it's actually embraced it, which is really nice.
Speaker 1: And do you find yourself saying to someone, look, it's time,
Speaker 1: like the here is not carrying in color anymore, or.
Speaker 3: As your hair gets great, it gets more resistant, so
Speaker 3: therefore it's not going to deposit it's color as much.
Speaker 3: But there is colors now that can break through that layer.
Speaker 3: So it's deeper pigments which will go deeper into the cuticle.
Speaker 3: But it's more about their emotional ready. So you've got
Speaker 3: clients that will go, I'm kind of ready, and then
Speaker 3: you'll put a few lighter pieces in and the oh no,
Speaker 3: that's just put it back to where it was. So
Speaker 3: you've got to be just at that stage of your life.
Speaker 3: But again we've got clients from thirty five to so
Speaker 3: on that will say, let's go great. So it's more
Speaker 3: of a trend.
Speaker 2: Is it a terrible thing that I have been dyeing
Speaker 2: my hair probably for thirty years? Does it damage my hair?
Speaker 2: Does it damage my skull? Is there any not?
Speaker 3: Now? It depends and again what color you're using. So
Speaker 3: if you're using a supermarket shampoo, yeah, it's going to
Speaker 3: be overprocessed. It'll be it's a stronger color itself in
Speaker 3: the packet. So as the starlet's we've got to think
Speaker 3: about hair condition. You're undertone of color that you've got naturally,
Speaker 3: and then we start balancing it off that. But when
Speaker 3: you're grabbing it off the shelf, it's the strongest color
Speaker 3: you can buy.
Speaker 1: I do recall some days after having children, you know,
Speaker 1: postpartum and stuff and not having any money, not having
Speaker 1: any time, and using supermarket hair colors and the stinging
Speaker 1: on the scalp was pretty pretty bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got a higher peroxide level normally, normally it
Speaker 3: as so, I mean peroxide is what opens it up,
Speaker 3: allows it to deposit into the hair. Yes, so therefore
Speaker 3: it's stronger and your hair therefore it's more damaging as well.
Speaker 2: Gray hair can look more coarse. Is that the case?
Speaker 2: What does it depend on your hair?
Speaker 3: It is more course, yes, so it's got more melanin,
Speaker 3: less melanine, sorry, and more modulla. Modilla is your air
Speaker 3: sex inside their hair, and so your melanin, which is
Speaker 3: the actual color, softens the hair out. So hence why
Speaker 3: if you get a fresh color, go all my hair
Speaker 3: for your soft and shiny and luxurious and then it
Speaker 3: wears off and so then it goes back to course.
Speaker 1: Right, So do we have products that we can put
Speaker 1: topically that will give us the same effect.
Speaker 3: You've got oils, you've got treatments, you've got things like that.
Speaker 3: Hydrate is a really big thing about hair as well.
Speaker 3: So we always talk about protein. Protein is a hardening
Speaker 3: product in the hair keeps the bonds together, but you
Speaker 3: need moisture so it can flex around a bit more
Speaker 3: so if you've got less moisture, therefore it's going to
Speaker 3: get a little bit brittle in the hair as well.
Speaker 2: So is that what you do? Maybe your mask once
Speaker 2: a week or something like.
Speaker 3: That, or even a Levin. Levin's great, so you can
Speaker 3: put it in when you shampoo your hair, you put
Speaker 3: in a leaving treatment and then it's pretty much does
Speaker 3: its job for you. But you've got a treatment space
Speaker 3: for the internal structure of the hair, and your kindishs
Speaker 3: for the external structure of the hair as well.
Speaker 2: So we've learned that you could actually just wash your
Speaker 2: hair once or twice a week. How often should you
Speaker 2: have a cut?
Speaker 3: That's a good one to say. I think I'm a
Speaker 3: little bit biased because I think curly hair needs less
Speaker 3: if it's cut well. Long hair, same thing. Short hair,
Speaker 3: because it grows out of shape, needs more. So it's
Speaker 3: more about the condition of your hair itself than it
Speaker 3: is about the time between it. If you're doing all
Speaker 3: your beauty dreams at home, it should longer.
Speaker 1: Personally, I had a FIXI for quite a while after
Speaker 1: where my hair grew back because I wasn't really sure
Speaker 1: what to do with it, and it doesn't grow back
Speaker 1: like you know, perfectly right, and it would have been
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 1: I look back on photos and go it was kind
Speaker 1: of cute. But it's just the upkeep. It's funny, isn't it,
Speaker 1: That short heat hair can It might be like through
Speaker 1: the week easier, but you do have to make that
Speaker 1: time to get back to the salon.
Speaker 3: It's mains sense. Yeah, I mean, surely here it's going
Speaker 3: to be more mainsonance, sure.
Speaker 2: Stretch coming from the Did you didn't you get your
Speaker 2: hair cut once a year recently? Yes, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is where the whole little end big enne thing
Speaker 1: comes in. I'm not very good at sitting in a chair.
Speaker 2: I'm just not very good. You must have other clients.
Speaker 3: Seconds. This is hard for me. Yeah, I'm exactly.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if the if the person was
Speaker 1: to talk to me, I mean, gosh, it must be
Speaker 1: hard making conversation all day long.
Speaker 3: That's what I love about my job is learning about
Speaker 3: people's lifestyles, about their their upbringings, what they do, and
Speaker 3: it sort of helps you as well when you're doing
Speaker 3: the hairstyle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So just to wrap up, if there was one
Speaker 2: thing we were going to do, like maybe get two
Speaker 2: haircuts again, if there was one thing we were going
Speaker 2: to do for the health of our hair and so
Speaker 2: that it kind of looked a little bit better, what
Speaker 2: would you suggest.
Speaker 3: I've invest in your right product range, and your diet
Speaker 3: is key. Your diet speak one light, lots of water,
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff that we always talk about.
Speaker 3: You've got to just keep that hydration level as well.
Speaker 3: But if you're not using the right products your scalp,
Speaker 3: it's going to get dryer, and therefore you're going to
Speaker 3: have more fall out and you're going to find it
Speaker 3: hardest to your hair as well. Bred.
Speaker 2: It has been a delight to talk to you. I'm
Speaker 2: absolutely thrilled now that I can go for runs and
Speaker 2: get a bit sweaty and it's my hair and I'm
Speaker 2: just going to I'm going to relax on that and
Speaker 2: not sort of fit. I just get so conscious of like,
Speaker 2: oh God, we're here, But now I'm just gonna chill
Speaker 2: on it. I'll tell you if it's thank you and
Speaker 2: hairspray in that.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm sure there are lots more questions out there,
Speaker 1: and maybe we'll have you back again sometime, but it's
Speaker 1: been really enlightening.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you you're listening to the
Speaker 2: little things. And that was haircare expert Brad Leaper answering
Speaker 2: lots of little questions we had about our hair, and
Speaker 2: coming up next in part two, doctor Catstone joins us
Speaker 2: to talk about the latest in cosmetic procedures. We'll be
Speaker 2: back shortly after this break, all right. So during our
Speaker 2: conversation last season with doctor Karen McDonald, Louise I spoke
Speaker 2: about those lines I decided I didn't need between my
Speaker 2: eyebrows were surplus to requirements. They were making me feel
Speaker 2: rather miserable because I just looked angry and tired and
Speaker 2: miserable the whole time, and that's not how I actually felt.
Speaker 2: So I did something about it, and a fabulous technician
Speaker 2: blessed Sally years of experience and knowledge. And I've been
Speaker 2: having a few botox a few years now and between
Speaker 2: my eyebrows, and it does. It makes me feel good,
Speaker 2: makes me feel better. But I'm kind of curious about
Speaker 2: I think that that's probably a very minimal use of botox,
Speaker 2: So keen to find out sort of what botox and
Speaker 2: fillers and other things are all about and what we
Speaker 2: can achieve without surgery. That's right.
Speaker 1: You know you've had a really positive experience with injectables.
Speaker 1: You know, I tried botox a few times. I liked it,
Speaker 1: But do you remember when the injector hit that vessel
Speaker 1: and had that bruise. I got a little bit needleshy
Speaker 1: after that. So I'm hoping that this may get me
Speaker 1: over that little out fear. And a friend had some
Speaker 1: that went wrong and she could barely open her eye
Speaker 1: for weeks, which you know, the only remedy was time.
Speaker 1: It affected her social life and her working life. But
Speaker 1: she hadn't been to a doctor.
Speaker 2: It wasn't it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It was one of those parties.
Speaker 3: So you know.
Speaker 1: Doctor Kat is an award winning cosmetic doctor with a
Speaker 1: holistic focus who bioreads that she passionately helps people transform
Speaker 1: both there in air and out of beauty so that
Speaker 1: they can achieve their goal of living the best life possible.
Speaker 1: We love that, that's what we're all about. So she's
Speaker 1: the founder of The Face Place and an expert in
Speaker 1: non surgical cosmetic procedures. Welcome, doctor kat Stone. Hi really
Speaker 1: pleased to be here today. I think we're going to
Speaker 1: have fun.
Speaker 2: We're very pleased you are here. Let's start with botox
Speaker 2: and fillers, because I think it's the thing that most
Speaker 2: women are familiar with, they hear all the time. What
Speaker 2: I'm curious about, though, is that I think for a
Speaker 2: lot of women, you might find an area that you
Speaker 2: think you want to start on, and then you end
Speaker 2: up on a little bit of a treadmill and you
Speaker 2: just want to keep adding and you want to keep
Speaker 2: doing more and things like that. If you commit to botox,
Speaker 2: is that what happens? Do you kind of get sucked
Speaker 2: in and end up kind of going down a bit
Speaker 2: of a rabbit hole with it.
Speaker 4: It shouldn't be like that, to be honest, if you've
Speaker 4: got a good clinician. I think one of the most
Speaker 4: important things that having a good relationship with a good
Speaker 4: clinician is that they get to know the overall person
Speaker 4: and they know when to say no. And I think
Speaker 4: that's one of the most important skills that a clinician
Speaker 4: industry should have, is knowing when to say no and
Speaker 4: how to kindly say actually no.
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's going to suit.
Speaker 4: You, and you know, it is one of those things
Speaker 4: that's it's like having your nails done or having a
Speaker 4: here done in terms of it makes us feel good
Speaker 4: about ourselves, and so there's a really nice feeling that
Speaker 4: comes with it. There's also some really good research that
Speaker 4: shows that treating with botox, especially through the frown area,
Speaker 4: can help with mood disorders like depression as well as headaches.
Speaker 4: So there's other benefits with it as well. But if
Speaker 4: you stop it, the world isn't going to stop. Your
Speaker 4: face isn't going to collapse. We know this because we
Speaker 4: have a lot of people. We won't treat people who
Speaker 4: are pregnant or breastfeeding. Obviously, we treat a lot of
Speaker 4: people who are in that age group, and so sometimes
Speaker 4: we'll have people who have done botox for maybe a
Speaker 4: couple of years or a year, they get pregnant. We're like,
Speaker 4: go away, happy baby, have a great time. They start breastfeeding,
Speaker 4: they feel pregnant again, that breastfeeding again, and then they
Speaker 4: have maybe a four year gap of having having their
Speaker 4: treatments and they'll come back to us and be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I finished breastfeedling. I would really like to look like
Speaker 4: myself again, much like you say, and then we look
Speaker 4: back at the photos of what they look like beforehand,
Speaker 4: and even though it's been four years, the muscles are
Speaker 4: back to what they were previously. Often the lines aren't
Speaker 4: quite back to what they were.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the question of when do you start then,
Speaker 2: you know, should you start young or should you actually
Speaker 2: wait until me Because.
Speaker 1: Some the words prophilectic botox thrown around, which just means
Speaker 1: before you have an issue kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Is that real?
Speaker 4: There's another thing called prejuvenation, So rather than readjuvenation, it's prejuvenation.
Speaker 4: To be honest with you, I don't believe in treating
Speaker 4: unless there is something to treat, and so yes there
Speaker 4: are occasionally For me personally, I had lines across my
Speaker 4: forehead when I was nineteen, and in that instance, if
Speaker 4: it's someone who has something to treat, or if someone
Speaker 4: with a recessive chin that throws their facial balance out,
Speaker 4: then okay, yes, let's talk about it. But it's not
Speaker 4: just treating the physical. It's looking at Okay, well, what
Speaker 4: are your intentions with this? Where are you wanting to
Speaker 4: go with this? It's not just treating for the sake
Speaker 4: of treating.
Speaker 1: So it's not always an age related thing. It could
Speaker 1: just be a cosmetic related thing. I mean, actually, when
Speaker 1: I think about it, my eyes have been lined for
Speaker 1: as long as I can remember. Well, it's not really
Speaker 1: an age thing. I think it's a familial thing. We
Speaker 1: all have quite big laughter lines or what if you
Speaker 1: like to call and crows feet, and I was trying
Speaker 1: to address those with botox. I'm really fascinated by that
Speaker 1: that you can have botox, you don't have to be
Speaker 1: going back every three months or whatever.
Speaker 2: How often do people come back.
Speaker 4: If you want to maintain the results, then on average
Speaker 4: around about every three months. But it's also going to
Speaker 4: depend on the dose that is being used. So this
Speaker 4: is a medication, and the higher the dose we use,
Speaker 4: the longer it's going to last for And I belief
Speaker 4: there's a real balance with you know, you can slam
Speaker 4: a face with botox and have someone looking really frozen
Speaker 4: and it's going to last six months.
Speaker 2: But is that the ideal outcome for me?
Speaker 4: No, there's a real balance of working out for the individual,
Speaker 4: tailoring their results. So it's like, okay, cool, well we
Speaker 4: want to use the lowest dose that's going to stop
Speaker 4: you from making the lines or pulling your brows down
Speaker 4: or whatever it is that we're trying to treat, but
Speaker 4: also get an appropriate length of time, and generally we
Speaker 4: find that that's around about every three months with the
Speaker 4: doses that we're using. I would rather use lower doses
Speaker 4: more frequently, just so that people still have facial expression,
Speaker 4: because it's a really important part of our communication process.
Speaker 4: And you called them laughter lines, like the crowsfeet are
Speaker 4: laughter lines. One of the examples is I would not
Speaker 4: want to obliterate someone's laughter lines, because all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: if you do that, their smile doesn't seem genuine. And
Speaker 4: so we want to look what actually is great about
Speaker 4: someone's face and enhance it as much as we want
Speaker 4: to soften out the things that are distracting or aging.
Speaker 2: So if I stopped putting the boytops in my forehead
Speaker 2: my face, my face won't fall.
Speaker 4: Off, your face will not full life, I can guarantee that.
Speaker 4: But over time those lines, so the first thing that
Speaker 4: would happen, it's that the muscle contraction would come back normal,
Speaker 4: and then slowly over time you would find those lines
Speaker 4: continue to etch in. But because what we're doing, if
Speaker 4: we're using it.
Speaker 2: For lines and wrinkles.
Speaker 4: Now, I haven't issue with it being called anti wrinkle
Speaker 4: because there are so many more things that we can
Speaker 4: do with it other than just treading lines and wrinkles.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's over seventy different medical conditions to start with.
Speaker 3: That we can use it on.
Speaker 2: So I call it in neurine modulator.
Speaker 4: And what we wanted to do is to relax the
Speaker 4: muscles so that they stop banging the skin together, because
Speaker 4: that's what etches in the lines. Now, when we're younger,
Speaker 4: our skin cells are healthy, they can repair the damage.
Speaker 4: As we get older, we start to have skin cells
Speaker 4: are a little bit lazier, They're not as able to
Speaker 4: do the repair, and we start to do more damage
Speaker 4: than what we can repair. And all we're doing with
Speaker 4: botox and the other neuromodulators is that we are changing
Speaker 4: that balance. So we're reducing the damage so that the
Speaker 4: skin can have space to repair itself. And I mean,
Speaker 4: you talk about with your kids is one rep on
Speaker 4: the other, but it's actually like we go through a
Speaker 4: period of stress where we might be frowning a little
Speaker 4: bit more, we're changing that balance again, We're like creating
Speaker 4: more damage for the skin to then repair. Again, it's
Speaker 4: that balancing act of let's be honest, most people don't
Speaker 4: miss their frown the balancing act. I believe the two
Speaker 4: hardest areas of the face to treat well are actually
Speaker 4: the forehead because it's this is the only muscle that
Speaker 4: lifts the eyebrows up, and the eyebrows are massively important
Speaker 4: in our communication, and the crow's feet because if we're
Speaker 4: not completely those then it changes the smile and that
Speaker 4: changes the personality of the person absolutely.
Speaker 1: And would they also coincidentally be the places that people
Speaker 1: come wanting botox the most.
Speaker 2: They're probably the ones.
Speaker 4: So fround, forehead and crow's feet are what we call
Speaker 4: on label indications of boatox, and the other more cosmetic
Speaker 4: key one is excessive sweating. So those are the ones
Speaker 4: that we can talk about in advertising or when we're
Speaker 4: talking outside of the consultation room. We can only talk
Speaker 4: about the off label indications when we're in the consultation room.
Speaker 4: And let's just say, there's a lot of other things
Speaker 4: that we can treat with botox all through the face
Speaker 4: and through other areas as well, in terms of other
Speaker 4: medical conditions which I can't talk about now, But if
Speaker 4: people do want to kind of ask about I'm really
Speaker 4: happy to you know, if they come into my Instagram,
Speaker 4: I can personally answer.
Speaker 2: Question interesting intriguing.
Speaker 4: In fact, have fillers overtaken botox, they do different things,
Speaker 4: so the work really well together. So with boatocks, we're
Speaker 4: working on the muscles of facial expression and we're reducing
Speaker 4: the damage that those muscles are doing, or we're rebalancing
Speaker 4: the muscles in the face, and we can also use them.
Speaker 4: How can I say this without breaking advertising guidelines? We
Speaker 4: can also use them and other muscles in the face
Speaker 4: to help with concerns outside of facial expression. I'm going
Speaker 4: to talk about it anyway. I might just get a
Speaker 4: slap on the hand, but the indication is meant to
Speaker 4: be coming out shortly, which is using boatocks in the
Speaker 4: jaw for teeth blinding and jaw pain. And I've been
Speaker 4: doing it since two thousand and four. Was the first
Speaker 4: to start using it in New Zealand. And that's because
Speaker 4: I had a vested interest and I am someone who
Speaker 4: grinds my teeth quite badly. I think I bit through
Speaker 4: three bite plates before I started using botox. And yeah,
Speaker 4: it's transformed my headaches and how I live life.
Speaker 1: So yeah, whoa, Yeah, that's fascinating. We think so much
Speaker 1: about the cosmetic casepects genuine health, it seems count it
Speaker 1: and children not to be able to talk about the
Speaker 1: health benefits.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's it's a little bug bear of mine. There's
Speaker 4: a lot of other things that have a massive impact
Speaker 4: for people have heard about the sweeting. The excessive sweating
Speaker 4: is that directed at the in your umputs or the
Speaker 4: on label indication is directed at the umpets, there are
Speaker 4: off label indications. Basically, if you think about anywhere that
Speaker 4: has speciatics localized excessive sweating.
Speaker 2: We can't do generalized.
Speaker 4: So the filler works differently to bowtops. Yes, so filler
Speaker 4: by definition fills things up. So it's about replacing volume.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: One of the biggest changes is in their bone, and
Speaker 4: we lose bone as we get older, so our ice
Speaker 4: lookts get bigger. The mid faces collapses around the soe
Speaker 4: the whole. You know, if you look at the skull,
Speaker 4: the whole for the nose widens, the chin shrinks. One
Speaker 4: of the big big changes is that the angle of
Speaker 4: the daw is lost. So as we lose the angle
Speaker 4: of the jaw, the chin shrinks. The zygoma which is
Speaker 4: the cheekbone deplete, the temples hollow that contributes to sor
Speaker 4: I know, I know, it's depressing. So we have those
Speaker 4: changes in the bones, which we can replace with thermal folla.
Speaker 4: We also then have changes in the deep fat pads,
Speaker 4: which are kind of our structure shape fat pads, and
Speaker 4: so we can replace those with so bone we're using
Speaker 4: like dempse fillars. The deep fat pads, we're using moderately
Speaker 4: dempse fillars. If we're going into we've got the muscle layer,
Speaker 4: which we use the neuromodulators like botox for, and then
Speaker 4: we've got the superficial fat layer, which is just underneath
Speaker 4: the skin, between the between the muscle and the skin,
Speaker 4: and that's kind of like our cushioning, our padding. It's
Speaker 4: you know, as we get older, those fat pads drink
Speaker 4: and you can start to see the separation of the
Speaker 4: fat pads. One of the common ones is the mid
Speaker 4: facial cheek groove or the mid facial growth the naser
Speaker 4: j naso jogal groove, and that is like the separation
Speaker 4: of the fet pads. You've got a ligament that sits
Speaker 4: there and you've got the bony change that happens. It
Speaker 4: means that the ligament SAgs, and so that, for example,
Speaker 4: might be something that we treat by replacing with a
Speaker 4: little filler on the bone, a little for the deep
Speaker 4: fat pads, and then a little bit of filler into
Speaker 4: the superficial fat pads to just naturally replace all those
Speaker 4: areas that have been lost and give a very subtle
Speaker 4: beautiful It's a restoration rather than making you look like
Speaker 4: something different.
Speaker 2: What is the filler? What is the chemical that you're
Speaker 2: putting in.
Speaker 4: So it's actually higher on a cacid, which is found
Speaker 4: naturally in our body. So the majority of the fillers
Speaker 4: that are used these days, so filler is a broad term,
Speaker 4: the ones that are most commonly used these days made
Speaker 4: from higher in a acid. And if we put hailer
Speaker 4: in a cacid in the skin, so hiler on a
Speaker 4: cacid's job and our body is to attract water and
Speaker 4: create plumpness, and it's one of the things that we
Speaker 4: lose from our skin and from our tissues as we age,
Speaker 4: which is why our skin gets thinner, dryer, and more
Speaker 4: fridge on on. So we're putting something back into the
Speaker 4: skin that's normally there. If we put it in the
Speaker 4: skin in its natural form, it would disappear in a
Speaker 4: few days because we turn over a third of our
Speaker 4: own natural higher on a acid every day, and so
Speaker 4: for it to stay there, we need to stabilize it.
Speaker 4: And so there are different ways of it being stabilized
Speaker 4: that give it different properties. And that's where for example,
Speaker 4: I mainly use the Juviadom range. We've got a few
Speaker 4: others that we use. I mainly use the Juviadom range.
Speaker 4: But within that range is I call them a different
Speaker 4: paint brushes. We use them for different things, so we
Speaker 4: can use them at different levels, so bone deep fat,
Speaker 4: superficial fat, and also into the skin these days as
Speaker 4: well to help stimulate collagen and are lesstin in the
Speaker 4: skin as well as the hydration.
Speaker 2: What's become a parent cat is that women are going
Speaker 2: to be dealing with a whole lot of different issues
Speaker 2: from just their appearance in the way they look, the
Speaker 2: way they feel, medical issues actually, you know, like it's
Speaker 2: so much broader the what you can use botox and
Speaker 2: fillers for. Is there a commonality between what women come
Speaker 2: and tell you that they'd like or what their issue is.
Speaker 4: Often people are coming in and it's not specifically A
Speaker 4: some people.
Speaker 2: Will come in and go, I want my frown tree shy.
Speaker 4: Generally it will be coming in and being like, I
Speaker 4: feel like I look tired, I feel like I look
Speaker 4: sacking a lot, I feel like I look angry.
Speaker 2: Restoration that you used before, Yeah, they just want to
Speaker 2: want to refresh, So that that sort of and so
Speaker 2: I suppose really often botox and a filler, they are
Speaker 2: kind of the main two answers.
Speaker 4: That kind of the most commonly aware of. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of other things that There's a lot of other
Speaker 4: tools on our toolbox. And so another favorite of mine
Speaker 4: is something called platelet rich plasma, which is where we
Speaker 4: use the healing parts of your own blood.
Speaker 2: This is the vampire vampire FACI.
Speaker 4: Is that right. Vampire facial is one of the things
Speaker 4: we can do with PP. And I'm actually one of
Speaker 4: the official trainers for the vampire treatments. So if we
Speaker 4: separate it out PP, if we look at PP as
Speaker 4: a big group, the vampire treatments are a small part
Speaker 4: of what PP can do. PRP what we mainly use
Speaker 4: it for at the clinic. It's great for that fine
Speaker 4: creepy skin under the eyes. We use it for people
Speaker 4: who are experiencing hair loss, both men and women, and
Speaker 4: we also use it for sexual rejuvenation and intimate wellness,
Speaker 4: so for leaky bladder with women, it helps with orgasm.
Speaker 4: With guys, it helps with erection, so with erect ol dysfunction.
Speaker 2: So how do you do that?
Speaker 3: How does that help?
Speaker 4: Well, we inject it into the tissue that it helps regenerate.
Speaker 4: So how PRP works in general is that we take
Speaker 4: a sample of blood. We spin it, so we take
Speaker 4: your own blood, just like a blood test. It gets
Speaker 4: fun in a centrifugion some special tubes, and then we
Speaker 4: get rid of the red cells so they're heavier, they
Speaker 4: go to the bottom. The tubes kind of are designed
Speaker 4: to separate out and we just have your own platelets
Speaker 4: and plasma and that's the special, wonderful magic mix of
Speaker 4: cytokines and growth factors. So basically messages that tell your
Speaker 4: body to bring the stem cells in to come and
Speaker 4: repair whatever tissues we put them into. So yeah, it's
Speaker 4: kind of it's a regenerative process that we're telling the
Speaker 4: body what needs to be repaired. It comes in. If
Speaker 4: nothing needs to be repaired, it goes, oh well, I'm
Speaker 4: hearing away as well, do something positive and we start
Speaker 4: to see an improvement in the tissues.
Speaker 1: Sorry for a rectual dysfunction for a second, Yes, that
Speaker 1: goes straight into the penis.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, so yeah, And whenever I say that men
Speaker 4: and more automatically cross their legs.
Speaker 2: We use a really good numbing cream.
Speaker 4: Surprisingly it doesn't hurt, so I think it's a really
Speaker 4: good numbing cream. But men who have severe erectal dysfunction
Speaker 4: will actually inject their penis themselves with something called trimax,
Speaker 4: and the needle they use for that's huge compared to
Speaker 4: what we use, ten teeny tiny needles and there's not
Speaker 4: a lot of them so and even fewer for women
Speaker 4: women men as five injections, woman is two into the vagina,
Speaker 4: one into the vagina, and one unto the clutoress. So
Speaker 4: the vagina doesn't hurt. The clorous rangers from didn't feel
Speaker 4: a thing to But it's over pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: And what would you expect to be what happens after that?
Speaker 4: So it depends on what it's what we're doing for,
Speaker 4: and often if it's for a leaky bladder, especially if
Speaker 4: it's urging continents, which is the one where if you're
Speaker 4: doing star jumps, well you can't.
Speaker 2: You won't do star jumps.
Speaker 4: That will often have an immediate impact because we're creating
Speaker 4: support around the urethra, which is the tube that comes
Speaker 4: out from the bladder. We're creating support around the eurethra
Speaker 4: immediately worth putting the PRP there. Now. Sometimes that will
Speaker 4: go away as the water that's in the PRP dissipate,
Speaker 4: and then it all slowly improve.
Speaker 3: Again over the next few weeks to months, and.
Speaker 4: We generally will find that around about six weeks is
Speaker 4: when we're starting to Some people will notice changes around
Speaker 4: about three weeks, three to six weeks. We'll do a
Speaker 4: follow up at six weeks, and then we do another
Speaker 4: follow up at three months. Sorts of changes that we
Speaker 4: tend to see for the urinary incontinents laky bladder often
Speaker 4: complete improvement, or if it's not a complete improvement, it's
Speaker 4: a partial improvement. For the sexual rejuvenation side of things,
Speaker 4: you know, there's a large number of women who've never
Speaker 4: orgasmed the so it helps with sensation lubrication, so great
Speaker 4: for people who are like you're our breast cancer survivors.
Speaker 4: We treat a lot of people who have been on
Speaker 4: tmoxfin lectrozole genital symptoms of menopause, women who have painful sex.
Speaker 4: It can often be helpful for so we've also used
Speaker 4: it in vaginal mesh pain to bring the pain of
Speaker 4: mesh pain down, sensation, lubrication, oh, orgasm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy, And that's why it's called the shot shot.
Speaker 2: It's the orgasm shot. Yeah. It's amazing the number of
Speaker 2: these podcasts that we do that Vagina's comer, but that's
Speaker 2: just absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking, So, I know that you I'm
Speaker 1: not saying you should, but a lot of people go
Speaker 1: elsewhere for botox or they'll have a botox party or whatever.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know Cara felt the same way,
Speaker 1: and I agree, But no one's doing these O shots
Speaker 1: on the download anywhere are they.
Speaker 2: You'd have to see a doctor for that, you.
Speaker 4: So, O shot is a licensed procedure, so you have
Speaker 4: to And I mentioned I'm one of the trainers for
Speaker 4: the shot and one of the global trainers, have been
Speaker 4: since twenty fifteen, and so to be able to talk
Speaker 4: about the shot and providing the O shot, you have
Speaker 4: to not only have been trained in the procedure, you
Speaker 4: also have to pay a licensing fee, small small amount,
Speaker 4: but a licensing fee, which means that there will also
Speaker 4: be continual upgrades to the knowledge of It's not just
Speaker 4: one and done. It's like, actually, we want people to
Speaker 4: continually improve their techniques and it helps us then feed
Speaker 4: into things like research into the treatments as well. But
Speaker 4: I mean there's so many other things, So there's other
Speaker 4: treatments that we do for the sexual juvenation as well,
Speaker 4: not just the PP.
Speaker 2: So cat the botox, the filler is the PP. Obviously
Speaker 2: there's risks involved with everything, but how risky are they?
Speaker 4: I would say botoxs and PP You know, there have
Speaker 4: been no serious long term effects of being seen with
Speaker 4: either of those dermal fillers. And this is a little
Speaker 4: bugbear of mine, is that unregistered people can inject dermal
Speaker 4: fillers because it's only seen as a medical device, not
Speaker 4: a prescription medicine, and that is not an invitation for
Speaker 4: anybody to go out and do this. By the way,
Speaker 4: there are terrifying side effects that can happen if you
Speaker 4: don't know what you're doing, and probably one that has
Speaker 4: become more commonly known has been things like vascular occlusion,
Speaker 4: which is a blockage of a blood vessel. Now, if
Speaker 4: there is a block blood vessel and we're using a
Speaker 4: higher on a acid filler, we can dissolve the filler
Speaker 4: if the person knows what they're looking for and they
Speaker 4: have told the patient also what to look for, and
Speaker 4: if we dissolve that fillow within the first few hours
Speaker 4: or first couple of days, the skin comes back from them.
Speaker 3: What it's not a problem.
Speaker 4: However, if it's missed or if someone doesn't know what
Speaker 4: they're doing and they're like, oh, that's just a breeze.
Speaker 2: Oh, don't worry about It's just a breeze.
Speaker 4: We went into a cold saw and a week later
Speaker 4: this person has their tissue dying on them. They're going
Speaker 4: to end up with scarring in. Probably the worst possible
Speaker 4: version of this is a filler related blindness, which there
Speaker 4: have now been cases of filler related stroke as well,
Speaker 4: which is you know, it's extremely rare. Been about five
Speaker 4: hundred cases worldwide of the filler related blindness. There has
Speaker 4: been one case in New Zealand. There are the higher
Speaker 4: risk area for it is through the nose and the
Speaker 4: frown area with fillers, so not with boatops, botos very
Speaker 4: safe through this area. Yeah, it's something that people have
Speaker 4: to know how to manage and how to deal with.
Speaker 4: And then there's infection, nodules, all the other things that
Speaker 4: you have to have someone who knows how to prevent
Speaker 4: it festival, Yeah, recognize it if it happens, and knows
Speaker 4: how to manage it and can supply the holler On
Speaker 4: a day's enzyme.
Speaker 2: To dissolve it. And that's a prescription medicine. So don't
Speaker 2: go to the nail sellon on that is now offering boatogs.
Speaker 2: It's about making sure like my lovely Sally registered nurves
Speaker 2: been doing it forever, goes to every conference, is on
Speaker 2: top of every latest piece of information, you know, like
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't let anybody else go anywhere near my face,
Speaker 2: you know, really onto it totally.
Speaker 4: That's exactly how it should be. And I think I
Speaker 4: know exactly the Sally you're talking about. So yeah, it's
Speaker 4: anybody can pick up a pencil and draw, but it
Speaker 4: takes training, it takes talent, and it takes time to
Speaker 4: actually draw a masterpiece. So are you going to trust
Speaker 4: your face to someone who's going to turn you into
Speaker 4: a Picasso or would you prefer to be more like
Speaker 4: a Leonardo da Vinci. You know that there's so much
Speaker 4: more to it. I mean, therese are medical procedures as well.
Speaker 4: It's not just that there's the artistry, there's the science,
Speaker 4: but these are medical procedures. There are some instances where
Speaker 4: it's not appropriate to have either bow shocks or dermal fillows,
Speaker 4: where it might increase the risk of side effects. And
Speaker 4: by going to someone who knows what they're doing, who
Speaker 4: has medical training, then you're going to reduce You're going
Speaker 4: to increase the chanceferring a great result and reduce the
Speaker 4: risk of having side effects.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us are looking for you know,
Speaker 1: we might want something that we want to avoid surgery,
Speaker 1: and in your experience, many of these things things that
Speaker 1: can give perhaps not the exact same as a facelift,
Speaker 1: but close enough that somebody will be satisfied.
Speaker 4: I think that there is a you know, let's look
Speaker 4: thirty years ago, and it was basically you could have
Speaker 4: a facial and your nails down, and then the next
Speaker 4: stick was a facelift. I think what's happened is we've
Speaker 4: now just got all these wonderful choices in between. There
Speaker 4: is definitely a point where surgery is appropriate, and this
Speaker 4: is part of the learning when to say no. Is
Speaker 4: that I have seen some people who have ended up
Speaker 4: looking very strange because they've had an injector who has
Speaker 4: wanted to try and treat the sagging and has just
Speaker 4: filled their face with more and more and more volume,
Speaker 4: rather than turning around and going, actually, that's a lot
Speaker 4: of saggy skin. Probably the best thing for you is
Speaker 4: to go and have a chat with a surgeon, or
Speaker 4: let's find a way to make it so that it's
Speaker 4: okay for you, but we're not going to try and
Speaker 4: obliterate the saggi skin by making you look like a
Speaker 4: puffy round ball. I've personally will still go. I've had
Speaker 4: a bluffroplastis, I've had an eyelid lift, and I will
Speaker 4: probably when I'm about fifty five ish go and have
Speaker 4: a facelift if.
Speaker 2: I need it.
Speaker 4: But I'm hoping that with all the regenerative stuff I'm doing,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm maintaining my fat pads, I'm replacing volume
Speaker 4: for my bone. Hopefully, even if I do need it,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to need something that's as dramatic as
Speaker 4: well it would have been twenty or thirty years ago
Speaker 4: and all we had was facial through.
Speaker 2: To face off. Thank you so much for today. I
Speaker 2: think if you're honesty and all that information, it's so
Speaker 2: much broader than i'd kind of anticipated when it comes
Speaker 2: to just those cosmetic procedures, isn't it. Yeah, And it
Speaker 2: is a reminder that they're incredibly useful tools to help
Speaker 2: other things apart from just the facts you're fed up
Speaker 2: with looking angry and tired in the mirror. I think
Speaker 2: being fed up about being angry and tired is a
Speaker 2: reason enough. Thank you, Louise. It's a really good reason.
Speaker 4: And there's also other things that we can do, and
Speaker 4: I could probably come back into a whole other podcast
Speaker 4: all the other things that we do as well.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's just been amazing. I really really appreciate and.
Speaker 1: You know, look, I've had people say to me, can
Speaker 1: you talk about those O shots? So we've ticked that
Speaker 1: box as well. Absolutely brilliant. Thank you so much, Kat
Speaker 1: for joining us.
Speaker 2: My absolute pleasure.
Speaker 1: Was expects were fascinating as usual. What did you learn
Speaker 1: about your hair friendships?
Speaker 2: I'm hugely related that I needed to keep shampooing and
Speaker 2: conditioning quite as often as I thought I was. I'm
Speaker 2: still I'm going to be honest, I'm still not sure
Speaker 2: if I believe Brad that a rince is going to
Speaker 2: be fine, But I am going to give it a
Speaker 2: whirl and full credit to Brad if he's nailed it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know that, you know, we'll tell you thank
Speaker 2: you for crazy me. I noticed you said that your
Speaker 2: hair looked really good. You didn't say anything about mine,
Speaker 2: so that just made me a little bit. I just
Speaker 2: got a little bit like, oh, hong on, well he
Speaker 2: was in the studio. I do look at it. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to missplit ends going that girl needs a cut,
Speaker 2: but I'm too polite to tell her.
Speaker 3: What about you?
Speaker 2: Well, I guess here. Yeah, no, No, that was really interesting.
Speaker 2: Good to know. You know.
Speaker 1: I like to know what the active ingredients are to
Speaker 1: be looking for in any product I buy so I
Speaker 1: don't waste my money. So I found that really interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just in general learning, Oh gosh, that that whether
Speaker 1: it went to worry about how much he is falling
Speaker 1: out of head. I'm going to stop worrying about it,
Speaker 1: and he thinks I've got a palmful head.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just thought that statistic one in three
Speaker 2: women hair sort of more hair loss than they head like,
Speaker 2: And I, why are we talking about this because it's
Speaker 2: obviously happening and there are things that we can do
Speaker 2: about it. So I'm really glad we covered that off.
Speaker 1: Anyone who works with me can see it's well, I share. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when it's silver, it's it's it's shiny. What about our
Speaker 1: second guest, Cat?
Speaker 2: Oh, I really enjoyed listening to Cat because she's just
Speaker 2: sort of so honest about it all and talking about
Speaker 2: the pros and cons and the risks involved and things
Speaker 2: like that. I thought that was really interesting and I
Speaker 2: just liked hearing kind of it from a little bit
Speaker 2: more of a medical kind of approach as to how
Speaker 2: it all works and things. Oh, I'm just hugely relieved
Speaker 2: if I stop, my face went fall off your faces
Speaker 2: my frown won't completely kind of No, no, no, you're
Speaker 2: all good. Yes.
Speaker 1: I was very interested in the medical applications of botox
Speaker 1: and the platelets, the information around that and how it
Speaker 1: can enhearts more than just our face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And but I enjoyed her talking about the medical reasons,
Speaker 2: like we just often think of the cosmetic, how these
Speaker 2: how these products can be used for cosmetic reasons, but
Speaker 2: actually we might have some other issues in our life
Speaker 2: that were a bit embarrassed to talk about, but we
Speaker 2: should because you'd be amazed at the solutions out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the grinding your teeth, who knew that was fascinating.
Speaker 1: I was thinking more about issues with you vagina, but.
Speaker 2: Up the bottom. So on that note, thanks for joining
Speaker 2: us on our new Zealand Herald podcast series Little Things.
Speaker 2: We hope you share this podcast with the women in
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