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Speaker 2: Hello you great news editors, and welcome to the Matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Afternoons podcast for Monday, the sixteenth of December

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Speaker 2: in the Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty four. Fantastic

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Speaker 2: show today usual. We were thinking, it's the end of

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Speaker 2: the year. No one's going to ring our show. Everyone's

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Speaker 2: busy doing their shopping. They're checked out for the year.

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Speaker 2: And then we did two hours of intense talkback on

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Speaker 2: video games.

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Speaker 3: Fascinating though the impounds of people that absolutely adore video games.

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Speaker 3: I mean there was a bit of hate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a bit of anger. There was a

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Speaker 2: bit of people that were calling us idiots for even

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Speaker 2: suggesting that there might be some benefits in video gaming.

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Speaker 2: But there was also many, many more, surprisingly, many more

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Speaker 2: who talked through video games in a reasonable fashion and

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Speaker 2: realized that look, let's not spoil it. You'll find out

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Speaker 2: how people felt about it. And then we are joined.

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Speaker 3: By Die Henwood, yes great New Zealander, Great.

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Speaker 2: New Zealander, to talk about his plans for Ristmiths and

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Speaker 2: his plans betweeny twenty four and is ongoing battle or

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Speaker 2: journey through cancer as he discusses it, and on top

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Speaker 2: of that, an opportunity to win a copy of my book,

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Speaker 2: A Lifeless Punishing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Great show.

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Speaker 2: So enjoy the podcast and all the best to you

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Speaker 2: and give them a taste of Kiwi and God bless us.

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Speaker 1: Everyone talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and

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Speaker 1: Taylor Adams Afternoons New for twenty twenty four News Talk Zibby.

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Speaker 3: Well, get a tou, Welcome into the show. Seven pass

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Speaker 3: one the final sprint towards Christmas. Hope you're doing well,

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Speaker 3: Get a Maddie.

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Speaker 2: I certainly am. I had a fantastic weekend. Listen to

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Speaker 2: this for a weekend wholesome. Well, actually Friday night wasn't

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Speaker 2: wholesome because went loose at the Christmas party and chasing

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Speaker 2: the fox. Yeah we did, we but after that I

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Speaker 2: had to pull it back. So how about this? Going

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Speaker 2: to go for a swim?

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Speaker 3: Yep, we go.

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Speaker 2: No, what we'll do is we'll ride to the faery,

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Speaker 2: get on the faery or our bikes, then ride from

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Speaker 2: work for something, you know, if you just get in

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Speaker 2: the water and sun Bay, that's nothing. But if you

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Speaker 2: have to go on an epic Lord of the Rings

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Speaker 2: style adventure, the Lord of the Rings, Lord of the

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Speaker 2: Rings worthy adventure to get to your swim, so good.

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Speaker 3: That is wholesome. And Devenport was a busy a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, there was a there's a bit of

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Speaker 2: it was great. And what a beautiful weekend it was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, aren't we bloody lucky though? In this country? Honestly,

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Speaker 2: We don't know how lucky we are, Tyler, We don't

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Speaker 3: Exactly big show today after three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: We got to talk to my good buddy and great

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Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful humor being Die Inward. That's after three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: After two o'clock, should promoters pay for the police to

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Speaker 2: So you're saying that they start by charging you to

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I feel about this. I think that

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Speaker 3: We're thinking about that and we'll get more into it

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear you two pm. What a tease?

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Speaker 3: You what a tease? Because right now we're going to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Stats show that's seventeen the biggest Internet

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Speaker 2: a very intense, very very intense video game. I've played

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Speaker 2: So is that a bad thing? Should we be freaking

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Speaker 2: So our video games all bad? Are we wasting our

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Speaker 3: I think we demonized them far too much. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it discussed you as a parent. If it's

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons You

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Speaker 3: News Talks, the Bee Good Afternoons You Hope you're having

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Speaker 3: a great Monday, and we are chatting about video games.

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Speaker 3: It's on the back of Fortnite being the second most

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Speaker 3: been demonized by parents up and down the country. It's

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Speaker 3: spending too much time on video games is bad for

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Speaker 3: your brain and bad for socialization, and it's just not

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Speaker 2: Woll I don't know about these socialization part of it,

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Speaker 2: but they definitely think that there are some cognitive cognitive

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Speaker 2: video games are brain right, they make kids violent, They

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Speaker 2: should be banned. Matt and Tyler, if you idiots think

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Speaker 2: video games have any worth. You idiots. I'm always suspicious

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're calling someone an idiot, you'd probably

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Speaker 2: than one way to describe idiots. Matt, are you saying

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Speaker 2: the only way to get kids off video games is

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Speaker 2: to let them play them? I can see a problem

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Speaker 2: with your logic, mate, Yeah, that does seem illogical. But

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Speaker 2: really crave the video games. And I read this. I'll

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Speaker 2: I read this really interesting book by Lance Burnett, and

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Speaker 2: called Anxiety as a Worry Lance Burdett, Sorry, and he

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Speaker 2: And the problem is that your kids just throw away

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 10: The government's taking another look at a massive fund one

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Speaker 11: It's not looking about cutting the spending, there about making

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Speaker 2: Of seventeen, biggest Internet usage spikes this year. Sorry to

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Speaker 5: Gods? How are you?

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Speaker 3: Very good?

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Speaker 3: You're great to chat too because you're a young mum

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Speaker 5: I still play on you know when they're in bad

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Speaker 3: Oh no, we might try and get Maria back. That's

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Speaker 2: at halfwit more on radio hosts who can't understand the

438
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Speaker 2: irrefutable equivalency of heroin dopamine addiction with gaming dopamine addiction.

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Speaker 2: This person seems quite angry for a person that's.

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Speaker 3: Talk about impulse control. I think we've got Maria back. Maria, Hello, Hi, So,

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Speaker 3: as you were saying, you know, everythink and moderation, But

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Speaker 3: the question I got for you, does your partner play

443
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Speaker 3: games with you?

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Speaker 5: Your place game baker? Actually place different game here. He

445
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Speaker 5: prefers to play Nintender, not Mary Curry, but like Zelda

446
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Speaker 5: some more like Discovery Puzzles and so on, and he

447
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Speaker 5: plays chess online as well.

448
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Speaker 3: Yeah, fascinating. And what's your watch? Your game of Tag.

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Speaker 5: Huntress New Zealand?

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Speaker 3: Love it?

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Speaker 2: Hey, Maria, when your kids get older, when you're you've

452
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Speaker 2: got two toddlers, are you gonna are you going to

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Speaker 2: allow them to game? Or are you going to manage that?

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Speaker 2: I mean it's always hard to say, but do you

455
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Speaker 2: think gaming is going to be part of the education

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Speaker 2: and how?

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Speaker 11: I believe so.

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Speaker 5: But the thing is, because we're so good in games,

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Speaker 5: me and my husband, they probably will give will be

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Speaker 5: placed to office us because we'll just fit them.

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Speaker 13: Yeah you know.

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Speaker 5: Anyway that's me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, thank you very much, Maria, really great to

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Speaker 3: check you. One hundred and eighteen eighty is an to

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Speaker 3: call if you're a gamer. You've got kids that a

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Speaker 3: gamers love to hear from you. Nine two nine two

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Speaker 7: Just do it.

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Speaker 14: New business founder shares her advice on launching a company

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Speaker 14: during COVID. You can see the story at enzem Herald Premium.

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Speaker 14: Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Ray Leno at hundred eighty and eighty.

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Speaker 3: We've been talking about video games and love to hear

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Speaker 3: from you. If you are a player, yourself or a

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Speaker 3: parent of kids who are heavily involved in video games.

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Speaker 3: Have they been demonized maybe a little bit too much,

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Speaker 3: particularly in the back of some studies about cognitive skills.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this Texas says, if you believe studies you

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Speaker 2: are more on you don't understand studies. They are very

498
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Speaker 2: one dimensional. Well, I mean, we've got to have studies,

499
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Speaker 2: and you can question the studies. But the study we're

500
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Speaker 2: talking about here says as the study of two thousand

501
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Speaker 2: children found that those reported playing video games for three

502
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Speaker 2: hours per day or more performed but performed better on

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Speaker 2: cognitive skills tests involving impulse control and working memory compared

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Speaker 2: to children who had never played video games before. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: video games have some harm, and we were talking before

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Speaker 2: about the anger that it creates in some kids, and

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Speaker 2: we'd prefer that they are out in the sunshine. But

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Speaker 2: video games do have some positives as well, it would seem.

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Speaker 2: And of course, when you're look into studies, this person's

510
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Speaker 2: absolutely right. I mean, you can look into studies and

511
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Speaker 2: you could ask yourself, is it that the two thousand

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Speaker 2: children found of those people who found a reporter playing

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Speaker 2: video games for three hours per day perform better on

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Speaker 2: cognitive skills test? It could be possible that kids with

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Speaker 2: bit of cognitive skills gravitated towards video games and had

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Speaker 2: better working memories, so they got more out of the games.

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Speaker 2: You know, studies are complex. Yep, absolutely, but we can

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Speaker 2: just say what the study says. And there's a couple

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Speaker 2: of ones here as well, and the advantages and playing

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Speaker 2: a lot of video games have towards people that want

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Speaker 2: to be surgeons. So we're just asking the questions, are

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Speaker 2: video games all bad? Is there something good about at it?

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Speaker 7: Do you?

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Speaker 2: And what do you do. If you don't want your

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Speaker 2: kids on video games, how do you get them off?

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Speaker 3: Yep, we're taking your calls. I know one hundred and

527
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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty quick ticks before we get back to

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Speaker 3: your calls. Well, I can't believe a lot of the

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Speaker 3: negative comments on gaming. I grew up on gaming and

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Speaker 3: yet still had the chance to play semi professional football.

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Speaker 3: It is a great way to relax and unwine for

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Speaker 3: most of us. Glenn, how are you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Good?

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 7: Good?

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Speaker 3: Now you've played video games for some time?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm thirty two now. Started when I was eleven.

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Speaker 4: A friend introduced me just into Pokemon on the Nintendo

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Speaker 4: and then got in going into a game which I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure if you guys are familiar with the which

542
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Speaker 4: is called Runskate.

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Speaker 3: I know of it, I've never played it.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard of that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard of it. Yeah, tell me more.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So it's an online it's essentially an online game. And

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Speaker 4: you know how you hear? You know you can clock

549
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Speaker 4: games all this game would take you essentially probably out.

550
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Speaker 4: I've seen thousand hours to clock.

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Speaker 8: So it's a huge game.

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Speaker 4: But in terms of skills that it would teach you,

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's not many, but there is a marketplace

554
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Speaker 4: on there where you're learning about the work that you

555
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Speaker 4: do as value and if you sell something, you know

556
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Speaker 4: the heart of the content that maybe more rewarding it is.

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Speaker 4: And that kind of reflects in the professional world too.

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Speaker 4: You know, you go off and you study, you work hard,

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Speaker 4: you get paid for it. But I think for me, look,

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Speaker 4: I ran track when I was going through school, and

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Speaker 4: I did well. I probably did two two and a

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Speaker 4: half hours of training each day, and then I'd go

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Speaker 4: home and I'd sit down and jump online and chat

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Speaker 4: with my mates. And there are a lot of the

565
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Speaker 4: boys that went through school that played sport at a

566
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Speaker 4: really high level, really good athletes, and they went home

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Speaker 4: and then then played for hours at night. I think

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Speaker 4: for some like some people like going home and sitting

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Speaker 4: on their phone, you know, sit on your phone for

570
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Speaker 4: two to three hours and we won't bad night. And

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Speaker 4: I think it's really interesting because probably a lot of

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Speaker 4: your listeners an'swamiliar enough with gaming or they've never played it,

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Speaker 4: and so it's they're just naive to it, and then

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Speaker 4: that leads to anger. I completely understand.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: When I got onto gaming, obviously I was eleven, and

577
00:27:19,853 --> 00:27:22,573
Speaker 4: so I went through puberty gaming and you know, I

578
00:27:22,653 --> 00:27:26,333
Speaker 4: played Steers Go as well, Tyler, and I've never had

579
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Speaker 4: a go at Fortnite, Matt, but I can definitely see

580
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Speaker 4: how those games bring out anger. You know, you're jumping

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Speaker 4: on you want to have a really good time. Next thing,

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Speaker 4: you die, and you keep dying, and you keep dying,

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00:27:36,693 --> 00:27:38,893
Speaker 4: and you just get more and more annoyed. But I

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Speaker 4: think from a parent's perspective, and that's something I always watched.

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Speaker 4: My mum did more, and I hope she's not listening.

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00:27:45,973 --> 00:27:51,053
Speaker 4: She most likely doesn't, But that was to ask me

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Speaker 4: about my game. You know, we can go out and

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Speaker 4: we can play rugby on Saturday morning and our parents

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Speaker 4: will stand on the sideline and cheer for you. But

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Speaker 4: when it comes to video games, well no, let's even

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Speaker 4: look at TV shows. For example, you're watching a TV show,

592
00:28:07,733 --> 00:28:10,173
Speaker 4: everyone's all, oh, what was in this episode?

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Speaker 9: You know was that?

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00:28:11,493 --> 00:28:11,813
Speaker 8: What was that?

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Speaker 4: But when it comes to gaming, you might do a

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Speaker 4: nice gaming and in the morning you wake up and

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00:28:17,653 --> 00:28:19,333
Speaker 4: you have breakfast and you do all your chores and

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00:28:19,413 --> 00:28:21,893
Speaker 4: you're a good kid. But never once did your parents

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Speaker 4: go what were you doing last night? In a game.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's kind of hard. And as goes

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Speaker 2: back to what you're saying that they may not understand

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Speaker 2: the games. And I think a lot of people that

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Speaker 2: are texting into the show today that are very angry

605
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Speaker 2: about games don't really know a lot about them. But

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Speaker 2: there is a thing with gaming when kids have got

607
00:28:40,013 --> 00:28:43,973
Speaker 2: headphones on, there's dialed into their computer where there's not

608
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Speaker 2: much of an in for the parents. And I guess

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Speaker 2: if you're a parent, you look at that and you go,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on there. I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: I wish they were out playing n't be and you

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Speaker 2: get angry about it.

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Speaker 4: Look like, I'm thirty two now and I've got a

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Speaker 4: six months old daughter at home, and I for the

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Speaker 4: first four months of her life, I made a point

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Speaker 4: of not getting on the computer and playing, you know,

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Speaker 4: and now I only do it when she goes to bed.

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Speaker 4: I will not play computer games when she's awake. I

619
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Speaker 4: know how important those first eighteen months are. So I

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Speaker 4: will not go on my phone or the computer when

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Speaker 4: she is away, and so I wait till she goes

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Speaker 4: to bed. But even then I feel guilty. And this

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Speaker 4: is another thing This is another thing that I think

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Speaker 4: we need to look at for teenagers as well. Have

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Speaker 4: we considered how guilty they feel at actually playing it.

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Speaker 4: It may be that they're going through something at school.

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Speaker 4: It may be that they're using the game as a

628
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Speaker 4: form of escape. You know, your previous caller was saying

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Speaker 4: that she likes to get on the game and get

630
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Speaker 4: away from the real world. I think that is quite

631
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Speaker 4: an exaggeration to say get away from the real world,

632
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Speaker 4: because let's be honest, games are in the real world.

633
00:29:45,093 --> 00:29:47,053
Speaker 4: But it's definitely a way of us getting away. And

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Speaker 4: for teenagers, we deal with so much. It might be

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Speaker 4: your first girlfriend or boyfriend, of break up, bullying, all

636
00:29:52,733 --> 00:29:54,453
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. So when we get home it's

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00:29:54,453 --> 00:29:58,213
Speaker 4: our safe place. So I think for any parents out there,

638
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Speaker 4: if they've got a kid that's going through some anger

639
00:30:00,573 --> 00:30:03,733
Speaker 4: issues and they're playing games, really gently goes to them

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Speaker 4: and say when they've got the headset on, could you

641
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Speaker 4: just do it with one ear open, you know, so

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Speaker 4: when you've got hit set on, I will often I've

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Speaker 4: got my back. We have the way my computer sit up.

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Speaker 8: I don't like it.

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Speaker 4: The way my computer sit up is the back of

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Speaker 4: my back's to the lounge, and my wife will often

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Speaker 4: be in the lounge and I'll always have one headphone

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Speaker 4: off my ear so that if she's ever needing me

649
00:30:23,773 --> 00:30:25,053
Speaker 4: or anything's needed.

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Speaker 9: I will get up and go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's something we can maybe ask the

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Speaker 4: teenage kids as well. Hey, love that you've had a

653
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Speaker 4: good day at school. You know, you've been with your mates.

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Speaker 4: You want to get on the game. That's awesome. You know,

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Speaker 4: remember the dishwasher is there, but when you're on tonight,

656
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Speaker 4: you just keep one keep one headphone off.

657
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Speaker 5: You know.

658
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Speaker 2: It's interesting and you talk about kids and socializing so

659
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Speaker 2: through COVID, and we were up in Auckland, so we

660
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Speaker 2: had a much longer lockdown than the rest of the country.

661
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Speaker 2: But my kids will get on and play their video

662
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Speaker 2: games and talk to their friends. That's how they keep

663
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Speaker 2: communicating with their friends because they'd go and play the

664
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Speaker 2: game together. And I was talking to the mother and

665
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Speaker 2: my children at the time, and I said, is this

666
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Speaker 2: that much worse than when I was a kid and

667
00:31:06,813 --> 00:31:08,253
Speaker 2: I just go and meet my friends in a part

668
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Speaker 2: to throw rocks at things or whatever we used to

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Speaker 2: do that. You know, as you say before they meant

670
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Speaker 2: you know, some people might not understand what it's like,

671
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Speaker 2: but that getting on on a game like Fortnette and

672
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Speaker 2: talking with your friends is a form of socialization and

673
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Speaker 2: it's and and there is a positive in that.

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Speaker 4: One hundred said, look, look that's gonna sound funny. I'm

675
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Speaker 4: thretty two and we still do land. We've done we

676
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Speaker 4: recently last year, before my daughter was born, we did

677
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Speaker 4: a sleepover. You know, all the boys get together, we

678
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Speaker 4: bring the computers together and we sit around and we

679
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Speaker 4: play games at thirty two years old.

680
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Speaker 9: To a lot of people, but.

681
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Speaker 4: Wow, that's so stupid if you were, if you were

682
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Speaker 4: a spider on the wall watching how much fun all

683
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Speaker 4: of those guys get. And we're talking we're talking government

684
00:31:56,333 --> 00:31:59,333
Speaker 4: workers in the stroup. We're talking builders, we're talking painters.

685
00:31:59,573 --> 00:32:03,413
Speaker 4: I'm a I'm a manager as well. It's it can

686
00:32:03,533 --> 00:32:06,613
Speaker 4: take you back to those times where you were. I

687
00:32:06,733 --> 00:32:08,173
Speaker 4: think a lot of the time as well, some of

688
00:32:08,173 --> 00:32:10,413
Speaker 4: the call as some of the listeners, they forget the

689
00:32:10,533 --> 00:32:12,853
Speaker 4: end of the day. We are all grown up, baby,

690
00:32:13,533 --> 00:32:17,133
Speaker 4: you know. Stop taking yourself so seriously. If you don't

691
00:32:17,253 --> 00:32:21,573
Speaker 4: find TV relaxing for you, consider gaming. If gaming is

692
00:32:21,613 --> 00:32:25,893
Speaker 4: too stressful for you, move away from it. But look,

693
00:32:25,933 --> 00:32:28,013
Speaker 4: it's a huge industry for a reason. We do know

694
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Speaker 4: it is, and I think this is what a lot

695
00:32:30,053 --> 00:32:31,893
Speaker 4: of the listeners will be annoyed at it. It has

696
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Speaker 4: developed so that it is addictive. TV TV series are

697
00:32:38,253 --> 00:32:40,333
Speaker 4: as well. That's why they have such thing as ratings

698
00:32:42,093 --> 00:32:43,293
Speaker 4: rating exactly.

699
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Speaker 15: Talk radio.

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Speaker 4: You know you guys have a good show. Every time

701
00:32:45,813 --> 00:32:47,093
Speaker 4: I get in the car, I want to listen to

702
00:32:47,173 --> 00:32:49,133
Speaker 4: the show. Now is the problem?

703
00:32:49,893 --> 00:32:52,413
Speaker 2: That's a huge problem is where did we go? It

704
00:32:52,533 --> 00:32:54,533
Speaker 2: makes it makes people angry as well that I'm just

705
00:32:54,573 --> 00:32:56,693
Speaker 2: looking at the text machine now. Show probably makes people

706
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Speaker 2: more angry than a lot of video games.

707
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Speaker 11: Why.

708
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Speaker 4: This is why I want you to bring in because

709
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Speaker 4: I know this will provoke the conversation and I know

710
00:33:03,733 --> 00:33:07,093
Speaker 4: it will make a lot of people angry. But everyone's different.

711
00:33:07,133 --> 00:33:09,573
Speaker 4: People are going to resonate with different things. The thing

712
00:33:09,613 --> 00:33:12,453
Speaker 4: I find relaxing is gaming and it brings me and

713
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Speaker 4: my mates together. What is wrong with that?

714
00:33:14,693 --> 00:33:14,853
Speaker 7: Well?

715
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Speaker 2: And then you say say your mates coming together for

716
00:33:16,813 --> 00:33:20,693
Speaker 2: you say your mates coming together for a land thing.

717
00:33:20,773 --> 00:33:23,333
Speaker 2: I mean, no one bets eyelids. If it's a poker game.

718
00:33:23,413 --> 00:33:25,733
Speaker 2: If your mates get together to play poker, do that yeah, yeah,

719
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Speaker 2: but why is it any why is it any even

720
00:33:27,733 --> 00:33:30,373
Speaker 2: better or even fantasy league for sports? You know, nobody

721
00:33:30,413 --> 00:33:31,093
Speaker 2: would care about that.

722
00:33:32,333 --> 00:33:34,653
Speaker 4: All meeting up at the pub and getting and getting.

723
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Speaker 2: Pers you know, and actually, to be honest, your point

724
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Speaker 2: you made that I talked over, sorry that Glenn was

725
00:33:39,573 --> 00:33:43,813
Speaker 2: about getting together watch sport. I get so angry. I

726
00:33:43,933 --> 00:33:46,093
Speaker 2: get so angry that when my friends leave their house

727
00:33:46,773 --> 00:33:49,173
Speaker 2: i've been watching sport, are sometimes going to be going. Well,

728
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Speaker 2: that was pretty aw good. How much I was screaming

729
00:33:50,973 --> 00:33:54,213
Speaker 2: at the TV for the entire Warriors game. Hey, thank

730
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Speaker 2: you so much for you call Glenn all the best

731
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Speaker 2: for your land parties.

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Speaker 3: Thanks man, Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the

733
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Speaker 3: number to call, nine two nine two. But he made

734
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Speaker 3: a great point, didn't he. That it is being demonized

735
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Speaker 3: for a long time. But it is a new form

736
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Speaker 3: of entertainment, just like watching a movie or sport or

737
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Speaker 3: reading a book. It is just a new form of

738
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Speaker 3: technology and entertainment.

739
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and for the longest time parents have been freaking

740
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Speaker 2: out about whatever their kids do. It's always been a disaster.

741
00:34:21,973 --> 00:34:24,053
Speaker 2: And look, I don't think there was anything great about

742
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Speaker 2: me just sitting in the lounge, just watching the same

743
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Speaker 2: movies over and over and over again like I did

744
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Speaker 2: when I was a kid, and not happing my dad

745
00:34:30,573 --> 00:34:33,333
Speaker 2: on the farm. Yeah, you know, he was angry about that.

746
00:34:33,373 --> 00:34:36,053
Speaker 2: At least video games you're interacting. But that's not to

747
00:34:36,093 --> 00:34:38,333
Speaker 2: say they're all good. We're just asking are they as

748
00:34:38,373 --> 00:34:39,413
Speaker 2: bad as people say they are?

749
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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call?

750
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Speaker 3: It is fourteen to two.

751
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Speaker 1: He's done. New take on talkbag Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons.

752
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Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be good. Afternoon. We're talking about video games and

754
00:34:55,413 --> 00:34:58,933
Speaker 3: whether they have been demonized too much in recent times.

755
00:34:58,973 --> 00:35:02,093
Speaker 3: This is on the back of the biggest Internet usage

756
00:35:02,133 --> 00:35:05,573
Speaker 3: spikes this year, fourteen of which were Fortnite updates, huge

757
00:35:05,653 --> 00:35:07,573
Speaker 3: online game Lee. How are you?

758
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Speaker 8: I don't give it when we go Solder for this

759
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Speaker 8: call soldier, Yeah, love it the time. I'm fifty two

760
00:35:17,333 --> 00:35:20,212
Speaker 8: and I've been gaming give he since PlayStation came out,

761
00:35:20,773 --> 00:35:23,813
Speaker 8: and even before that. I think before that it was

762
00:35:23,933 --> 00:35:25,533
Speaker 8: like Atari, wasn't it.

763
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Speaker 2: Did you ever play those games that were like tennis

764
00:35:28,373 --> 00:35:30,853
Speaker 2: and they'd just be two lines and a square that

765
00:35:30,893 --> 00:35:33,853
Speaker 2: you hit back and forth. In television, we had that.

766
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Speaker 8: We had the first color K nine TV. As soon

767
00:35:38,373 --> 00:35:40,573
Speaker 8: as he was games on the TV, I was playing

768
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Speaker 8: them right.

769
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: And now my grandson lives with me, and and me

771
00:35:46,493 --> 00:35:52,493
Speaker 8: and him we game together. We play Minecraft together, and

772
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Speaker 8: it just it just we get on so well. A

773
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Speaker 8: It's It's definitely helped us bond.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: And basically I played pub G. Pubg is like at

776
00:36:05,773 --> 00:36:08,533
Speaker 8: the moment, the game I've been playing for since you

777
00:36:08,693 --> 00:36:09,453
Speaker 8: came out, and.

778
00:36:09,533 --> 00:36:10,013
Speaker 7: I love it.

779
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Speaker 8: But I won't let him play that because I'm not

780
00:36:13,293 --> 00:36:17,613
Speaker 8: interested in him playing games that are too violent. He

781
00:36:17,693 --> 00:36:19,973
Speaker 8: doesn't need to. There's there's so many good games.

782
00:36:20,373 --> 00:36:23,653
Speaker 2: What games are you playing with your grandson at the moment, Lee.

783
00:36:23,893 --> 00:36:27,133
Speaker 8: Well, just Minecraft? Yeah, he plays Halo.

784
00:36:27,693 --> 00:36:30,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, I took my kids. I took my kids through

785
00:36:30,373 --> 00:36:32,733
Speaker 2: all both my kids some big adventures. We played right

786
00:36:32,813 --> 00:36:34,973
Speaker 2: through co op on all the Halo games until the

787
00:36:35,013 --> 00:36:36,893
Speaker 2: one that came out they didn't have co op and

788
00:36:37,333 --> 00:36:39,773
Speaker 2: they were great adventures. And I think what you're saying, Lee,

789
00:36:39,893 --> 00:36:42,933
Speaker 2: is if that is I mean the idea that games

790
00:36:42,933 --> 00:36:45,732
Speaker 2: are blanket bad, but if like you, you can use

791
00:36:45,773 --> 00:36:48,212
Speaker 2: it as a bonding experience and spend time with your kids.

792
00:36:48,253 --> 00:36:51,853
Speaker 2: Especially Minecraft. Minecraft is an incredibly creative game. I mean that.

793
00:36:52,133 --> 00:36:54,173
Speaker 2: I mean that's akin to sitting down and playing Lego.

794
00:36:54,053 --> 00:36:54,413
Speaker 7: With a kid.

795
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Speaker 8: It's so much fun. I'll get a little bit angry

796
00:36:58,413 --> 00:37:00,453
Speaker 8: because tens that blow my stuff up?

797
00:37:02,653 --> 00:37:03,653
Speaker 3: And how's your grandson?

798
00:37:05,013 --> 00:37:05,732
Speaker 8: Eight?

799
00:37:06,013 --> 00:37:06,212
Speaker 7: Yeah?

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00:37:06,373 --> 00:37:06,493
Speaker 5: Right?

801
00:37:06,813 --> 00:37:08,253
Speaker 3: I mean is that part of you lee because you

802
00:37:08,453 --> 00:37:11,573
Speaker 3: have played games since you're eleven, as you mentioned, and

803
00:37:11,693 --> 00:37:13,773
Speaker 3: we know now with some of these online games that

804
00:37:13,933 --> 00:37:16,373
Speaker 3: they you can talk to other players. But we know

805
00:37:16,693 --> 00:37:19,733
Speaker 3: sometimes that gets a bit far. You know, it's not

806
00:37:19,973 --> 00:37:22,533
Speaker 3: a sanitized world sometimes. Do you worry about that? Or

807
00:37:22,573 --> 00:37:25,613
Speaker 3: are there things coming to the four that the developers

808
00:37:25,613 --> 00:37:27,853
Speaker 3: are quite clever on that Minecraft, for example, you can

809
00:37:27,893 --> 00:37:31,773
Speaker 3: shut down the talking to teammates and other players to

810
00:37:31,813 --> 00:37:33,533
Speaker 3: make it as safe as possible for young kids.

811
00:37:34,853 --> 00:37:37,053
Speaker 8: Well, he just doesn't go on party chat with anyone

812
00:37:37,453 --> 00:37:42,212
Speaker 8: and literally see the thing is you can turn off

813
00:37:42,333 --> 00:37:46,253
Speaker 8: the blood on the likes of certain games, right, or

814
00:37:46,293 --> 00:37:48,812
Speaker 8: he can make it a different color. But the first

815
00:37:48,853 --> 00:37:50,933
Speaker 8: thing I did with him is say, well, this is

816
00:37:51,013 --> 00:37:54,293
Speaker 8: make believe. You know, that is just cartoons. This is

817
00:37:54,453 --> 00:37:58,853
Speaker 8: just you don't need to get angry at this game

818
00:37:58,933 --> 00:38:01,493
Speaker 8: because you can restart and start another game, you know.

819
00:38:02,013 --> 00:38:06,812
Speaker 8: So I've just pushed that right through, and he doesn't

820
00:38:06,813 --> 00:38:10,613
Speaker 8: get angry any other game. I mean, he's no longer

821
00:38:10,613 --> 00:38:14,853
Speaker 8: got a certificate of kindness, you know. So I think

822
00:38:15,333 --> 00:38:18,333
Speaker 8: getting angry is more about other things that are going

823
00:38:18,373 --> 00:38:22,333
Speaker 8: on in kids' lives, you know, And obviously it can

824
00:38:22,453 --> 00:38:24,893
Speaker 8: push off in a game, yeah, but I don't think

825
00:38:24,933 --> 00:38:26,773
Speaker 8: it's the game, it's creating it.

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Speaker 5: You know.

827
00:38:28,173 --> 00:38:29,973
Speaker 2: Abell, thank you so much for you call Lee and

828
00:38:31,053 --> 00:38:34,093
Speaker 2: good luck with your son and your gaming. So you know,

829
00:38:34,133 --> 00:38:36,133
Speaker 2: we're talking about gaming and isn't as bad as people

830
00:38:36,213 --> 00:38:38,293
Speaker 2: think it is, but there's no doubt there can be

831
00:38:38,373 --> 00:38:41,413
Speaker 2: too much gaming and that that can obviously be a problem.

832
00:38:41,533 --> 00:38:43,013
Speaker 2: And we've talked to a few people in the last

833
00:38:43,053 --> 00:38:47,093
Speaker 2: hour about anger issues with gaming, and I interviewed a

834
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Speaker 2: guy called las Lance Burdette. He wrote a great book

835
00:38:50,413 --> 00:38:54,053
Speaker 2: called Anxiety Is a Worry and he's an ex New

836
00:38:54,133 --> 00:38:57,093
Speaker 2: Zealand police negotiator and we're going to talk to him

837
00:38:57,253 --> 00:39:01,853
Speaker 2: after two o'clock because when I just he's got methods

838
00:39:01,973 --> 00:39:05,773
Speaker 2: of getting kids off devices that I think are really helpful.

839
00:39:05,813 --> 00:39:07,413
Speaker 2: But I couldn't quite remember the details of it, so

840
00:39:07,493 --> 00:39:08,933
Speaker 2: we'll talk to him after two.

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00:39:09,093 --> 00:39:11,453
Speaker 3: Yep, it is seven minutes to two. Back in the month.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: eighty mat Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Zed B excuse me, News Talk z be after two o'clock.

845
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Speaker 3: We're gonna pick this back up about video games because

846
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Speaker 3: we're getting a heap of calls and texts on it.

847
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Speaker 3: If you're a gamer yourself, love to hear from you

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Speaker 3: on eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine to ninety two

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Speaker 3: is the text number. If you're a parent worried about

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Speaker 3: your child gaming too much, keen to hear from you

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Speaker 3: as well. New Sport and weather is on the way.

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Speaker 3: It is four minutes to two. You're listening to Matt

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Speaker 3: and Tyler. Very very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams Afternoons on News Talk sebby.

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Speaker 3: chatting about video games and the demonization I mean that's

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Speaker 3: my own words, demonization of video games, but clearly a

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Speaker 3: huge industry, hugely popular. Yeah, it's a new form of entertainment.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Of the seventeen biggest Internet usage spikes this year in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand fourteen, we're for the video game Fortnite.

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Speaker 3: Yea so.

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Speaker 2: Fortnite is an online video game and game platform that

878
00:41:18,133 --> 00:41:21,773
Speaker 2: was released in twenty and seventeen where you get dropped

879
00:41:21,773 --> 00:41:24,893
Speaker 2: into an island and you try and kill everyone and

880
00:41:25,013 --> 00:41:29,533
Speaker 2: be the last person alive as a circle descends on you.

881
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Speaker 2: Involves a lot of building and stuff. It's quite complicated,

882
00:41:31,933 --> 00:41:33,693
Speaker 2: but it's huge hugely popular.

883
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Speaker 3: Certainly is yeah.

884
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Speaker 2: But video games, you know, are they bad for you?

885
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Speaker 2: Because there have been some studies saying that there's some

886
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Speaker 2: cognitive advantages of video games. And I know that the

887
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Speaker 2: text machine's blown up saying that they don't believe any studies,

888
00:41:45,853 --> 00:41:49,053
Speaker 2: but you know, all studies are worth looking at and questioning.

889
00:41:49,413 --> 00:41:52,732
Speaker 2: There's also been some studies that say that in terms

890
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Speaker 2: of surgery, kids that have spent a lot of times

891
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Speaker 2: in video games end up being better surgeons. But Lance

892
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Speaker 2: Barnett bernet It was the national advisor for New Zealand

893
00:42:02,373 --> 00:42:06,253
Speaker 2: police crisis negotiation teams. He specialized in suicide intervention, on

894
00:42:06,413 --> 00:42:09,772
Speaker 2: predicting violent behavior, and on managing high risk incidents As

895
00:42:09,933 --> 00:42:13,013
Speaker 2: a negotiation instructor. He has written two excellent books, The

896
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Speaker 2: Dark Side of the Brain in twenty twenty and Anxiety

897
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Speaker 2: as a Worry, which was released in September this year. Hey, Larrence,

898
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Speaker 2: welcome to show. We're talking about video games now. In

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Speaker 2: your latest book, you had some advice on getting kids

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Speaker 2: off devices that I think would also work for kids

901
00:42:26,973 --> 00:42:29,533
Speaker 2: in video games. You don't believe you get a lot

902
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Speaker 2: of success demanding kids or forcing kids to get up devices.

903
00:42:33,613 --> 00:42:35,652
Speaker 2: How do you suggest getting kids to spend less time

904
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Speaker 2: on the things we believe to be unhealthy for them.

905
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Speaker 16: Well, it depends a lot, and thanks for the opportunity.

906
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Speaker 16: It depends a lot on the type of game that

907
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Speaker 16: the person is on and whether they're actually accepted to it.

908
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Speaker 16: So some games are great, as you talked about, for

909
00:42:49,333 --> 00:42:54,252
Speaker 16: cognitive abilities, socialization a lot of people, you know, those

910
00:42:54,293 --> 00:42:58,093
Speaker 16: with autism and ADHD. It brings focus, et cetera. But

911
00:42:58,253 --> 00:43:00,813
Speaker 16: there's just the opposite of that. So it depends on

912
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Speaker 16: what study you look at. There's a study that I

913
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Speaker 16: looked at twelve thousand teenagers studied by Oxford University found

914
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Speaker 16: that forty four percent of heavy gamers had high well being.

915
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Speaker 16: But that worries me about the other fifty six percent, right,

916
00:43:15,173 --> 00:43:16,573
Speaker 16: So that means they haven't.

917
00:43:17,053 --> 00:43:19,133
Speaker 9: So you can study what is it.

918
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Speaker 16: There's lies down lies, and then it's statistics. So looking

919
00:43:23,573 --> 00:43:26,373
Speaker 16: at gaming gaming, it depends on the person itself. Now

920
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Speaker 16: there's types of games that we can wean people off

921
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Speaker 16: and onto. So the games that are highly addictive are

922
00:43:33,893 --> 00:43:38,373
Speaker 16: those hugely interactive, grand Theft, Auto, all of those, you know,

923
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Speaker 16: the violent type games. Anything that engages us and we

924
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Speaker 16: get the release of dopamine and a whole lot of

925
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Speaker 16: other positive neurotransmitters which causes the addictive. Now, the problem

926
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Speaker 16: with dopamine is it actually rewires our brain, and so

927
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Speaker 16: we become dependent on getting our hit every day by

928
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Speaker 16: having gaming, and so it is like any other addiction

929
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Speaker 16: where you do have to try and reduce that. And

930
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Speaker 16: so we can replace the games with things like a

931
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Speaker 16: bit slower, but they're still the same sort of thing. Tetris,

932
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Speaker 16: Candy Crush, Superman are Ra, and Paper Toss, bubble Wrap.

933
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Speaker 16: There's quite a few games like that that, believe it

934
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Speaker 16: or not, actually reduced anxiety as you play them. There

935
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Speaker 16: was a study done on PDSD.

936
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Speaker 8: If you.

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Speaker 16: Are involved in a significant stressful event, if you play

938
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Speaker 16: the game Tetris within six hours, it significantly reduces the

939
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Speaker 16: chances of getting PTSD. So it depends on the part

940
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Speaker 16: of the brain that's being used during the gaming. Is

941
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Speaker 16: the best I can give you as an answer.

942
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Speaker 2: Interesting, you're talking to me. When I interviewed at you

943
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Speaker 2: on another radio station about techniques to get kids off

944
00:44:44,053 --> 00:44:47,133
Speaker 2: you were talking about phones and you said that you

945
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Speaker 2: have to offer create an opportunity for the kid to

946
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Speaker 2: get off the phone. Themselves, so then they can have

947
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I'm getting this right, but the

948
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Speaker 2: dopamine hit by putting it down and coming to join

949
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Speaker 2: you in a positive activity. Would that work as well

950
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Speaker 2: with video games?

951
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Speaker 16: Absolutely it would. Yeah, So that's the interim we have

952
00:45:06,613 --> 00:45:08,573
Speaker 16: to we have to have a break. You can can't

953
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Speaker 16: just suddenly say we'll go cold Turkey, not with young people.

954
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Speaker 16: Their brains and neuroplastic anyway, and it will actually I

955
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Speaker 16: forget the terminology for it, but when you say to

956
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Speaker 16: somebody you can't, that's a magnet from to do it.

957
00:45:22,533 --> 00:45:26,133
Speaker 16: So that's just kids' brains anyway, and so it's having

958
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Speaker 16: an infrom but it's given them that sense of control.

959
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Speaker 16: You know, we talk about willpower and determination et set

960
00:45:31,853 --> 00:45:36,733
Speaker 16: for taking devices and removing them away from children. Whilst

961
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Speaker 16: that might be helpful in the long term, but isn't

962
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Speaker 16: willpower and isn't this isn't having a sense of control,

963
00:45:43,373 --> 00:45:45,733
Speaker 16: being able to say when you can use it. You know,

964
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Speaker 16: having a phone sitting in front of you and just

965
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Speaker 16: staying to people you will not use that unto a

966
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Speaker 16: certain period of time. That's more beneficial than actually removing

967
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Speaker 16: it from them. So if we can put it in

968
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Speaker 16: their own hands. Give them that sense of control. You're

969
00:45:59,253 --> 00:46:01,292
Speaker 16: allowed on the phone, you're allowed. You're allowed to game

970
00:46:01,573 --> 00:46:05,013
Speaker 16: for one hour a day, and in between other times

971
00:46:05,133 --> 00:46:08,212
Speaker 16: you choose what you're going to do and what that does.

972
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Speaker 16: Give them that whole sense of control. And when you

973
00:46:11,293 --> 00:46:14,293
Speaker 16: say them, do you look, But you must let them

974
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Speaker 16: know that they've stopped gaming and they've done something else

975
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Speaker 16: so that they get the recognition of that. So, you know,

976
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Speaker 16: thanks so much of it, you've been off your device.

977
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Speaker 16: How does that make it feel? Have a little bit

978
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Speaker 16: of chat about it. What happens is they start to

979
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Speaker 16: realize that they're replacing the dopamine with playing the game

980
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Speaker 16: with not playing the game, if that makes sense.

981
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Speaker 2: Yes, So you might say, I remember you put it

982
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Speaker 2: this way, and I really enjoyed your book, your latest book,

983
00:46:40,333 --> 00:46:41,733
Speaker 2: but I haven't got it with me. But I think

984
00:46:41,773 --> 00:46:44,172
Speaker 2: you put it this way that you might say, when

985
00:46:44,253 --> 00:46:46,613
Speaker 2: do you think you might have an opportunity to join

986
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Speaker 2: us to do this activity how you put it?

987
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Speaker 16: And then I might have been in a good place.

988
00:46:55,413 --> 00:46:56,013
Speaker 2: Essentially, it.

989
00:46:58,213 --> 00:46:59,693
Speaker 16: Doesn't sound like the adult in me.

990
00:47:01,573 --> 00:47:03,973
Speaker 2: They've made the choice to join you.

991
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Speaker 16: Yeah, that's that's exactly right. I think I mean a

992
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Speaker 16: little bit generous us there because when some kids are

993
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Speaker 16: just going to say, listen, get off, but you must exactly. Yeah,

994
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Speaker 16: this is the thing. And now every every one of

995
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Speaker 16: us is different, but it's finding that that medium between.

996
00:47:22,213 --> 00:47:25,013
Speaker 16: If they go cold turkey, it's going to cause more

997
00:47:25,133 --> 00:47:28,893
Speaker 16: stress than good, right, and it'll actually disenfranchise you and

998
00:47:29,093 --> 00:47:32,292
Speaker 16: you know, cause us more discontent anything. So it's about

999
00:47:32,333 --> 00:47:35,253
Speaker 16: giving them that sense of control. Look, we want you

1000
00:47:35,333 --> 00:47:38,693
Speaker 16: to come and do some activities across during the day. Again,

1001
00:47:38,733 --> 00:47:41,453
Speaker 16: it depends on the age of the child, but certainly

1002
00:47:42,173 --> 00:47:44,933
Speaker 16: we want you involved in this when would suit you.

1003
00:47:45,453 --> 00:47:47,293
Speaker 16: And what that does is give them the ability to

1004
00:47:47,333 --> 00:47:49,013
Speaker 16: make the control. Now I know that it depends on

1005
00:47:49,053 --> 00:47:50,692
Speaker 16: the age because some kids are going to say, well,

1006
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Speaker 16: I don't want.

1007
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Speaker 8: To at all.

1008
00:47:52,653 --> 00:47:54,293
Speaker 16: I don't want to be a part of us families.

1009
00:47:54,533 --> 00:47:57,413
Speaker 16: So it's finding what works for you and the child

1010
00:47:57,893 --> 00:48:01,013
Speaker 16: and really having the but giving the child the empowerment

1011
00:48:01,173 --> 00:48:04,172
Speaker 16: of having some sense of control. Yes, you are going

1012
00:48:04,253 --> 00:48:06,212
Speaker 16: to We are all when we're when we're very young,

1013
00:48:06,293 --> 00:48:08,133
Speaker 16: we have to be told what to do. But the

1014
00:48:08,533 --> 00:48:12,973
Speaker 16: thing around this is also as parents, we our children

1015
00:48:13,053 --> 00:48:16,893
Speaker 16: mimic us and so if we are sitting watching TV,

1016
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Speaker 16: that's an addiction from a child's point of view. Yeah,

1017
00:48:21,333 --> 00:48:24,253
Speaker 16: you I game, you watch TV, that's your addiction. And

1018
00:48:24,413 --> 00:48:27,133
Speaker 16: so we have to be mindful also that they are

1019
00:48:27,213 --> 00:48:27,773
Speaker 16: watching us.

1020
00:48:28,853 --> 00:48:30,692
Speaker 3: Is there something in at lance that if a parent

1021
00:48:30,813 --> 00:48:33,253
Speaker 3: understands the game that the child's playing, And a lot

1022
00:48:33,293 --> 00:48:35,333
Speaker 3: of these games are played online with their friends, so

1023
00:48:35,413 --> 00:48:37,573
Speaker 3: there's no pausing or stopping. They might be in the

1024
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Speaker 3: middle of a mission or doing something with their friends

1025
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Speaker 3: and at that point in time that is the most

1026
00:48:41,893 --> 00:48:44,693
Speaker 3: important thing to them. And if as a parent you

1027
00:48:45,093 --> 00:48:47,133
Speaker 3: say no, you've got to come off it right now,

1028
00:48:47,213 --> 00:48:49,653
Speaker 3: I don't care what mission you're in, then that sets

1029
00:48:49,653 --> 00:48:50,813
Speaker 3: off something in the child's brain.

1030
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Speaker 16: Yeah, it does well. Apart from all these yeah, it

1031
00:48:55,533 --> 00:49:00,212
Speaker 16: certainly does. Cortisol, et cetera. It's around saying, well, there

1032
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Speaker 16: has to be boundaries. This is the thing around children particularly,

1033
00:49:03,333 --> 00:49:05,893
Speaker 16: They have to have boundaries. We can't just allow them

1034
00:49:05,893 --> 00:49:08,933
Speaker 16: to do whatever they want to because bad things will happen.

1035
00:49:09,413 --> 00:49:11,613
Speaker 16: So if we can set some boundaries for them and

1036
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Speaker 16: say no, you promised that you were off at this time,

1037
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Speaker 16: but then allowing them to play for a certain number

1038
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Speaker 16: of you know, an hour or two hours or three

1039
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Speaker 16: hours so that they can set up the time that

1040
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Speaker 16: they're going to be involved in that special operation. And

1041
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Speaker 16: you know, you're talking my kind of language because this

1042
00:49:28,973 --> 00:49:31,652
Speaker 16: has actually happened in real life with our.

1043
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Speaker 8: Family, right.

1044
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Speaker 16: So it's about having these rules at certain times and

1045
00:49:36,413 --> 00:49:40,173
Speaker 16: allowing that child then to play that game because you

1046
00:49:40,253 --> 00:49:42,493
Speaker 16: said they could. If we just suddenly walk in there

1047
00:49:42,533 --> 00:49:45,133
Speaker 16: and change our mind and say no, that's it, you're off,

1048
00:49:45,733 --> 00:49:48,292
Speaker 16: I'm sick of the stuff, then that's going to cause

1049
00:49:48,413 --> 00:49:52,293
Speaker 16: a backlash of some sort. But again, we must always

1050
00:49:52,413 --> 00:49:56,333
Speaker 16: set the boundaries for our children, because children don't know boundaries.

1051
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Speaker 16: That's what they're looking for, particularly as teenagers. Teenagers want

1052
00:49:59,413 --> 00:50:01,293
Speaker 16: to know where the boundary is and not take one

1053
00:50:01,333 --> 00:50:03,653
Speaker 16: step over it to see what happens. They want to

1054
00:50:03,733 --> 00:50:05,813
Speaker 16: know consequences as well, so we've got to remind them

1055
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Speaker 16: of those.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Laannce. And it was the national

1057
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Speaker 2: advisor for New Zealand Police Crisis Negotiation Teams and his book,

1058
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Speaker 2: Anxiety as a Worry is out now if you want

1059
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Speaker 2: to check it out. It's a very good read.

1060
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Speaker 3: Yeah, fascinating, I love that. Right, we're going to pick

1061
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Speaker 3: this back up about video games. If you're a parent

1062
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Speaker 3: who has a child that loves their video games, love

1063
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Speaker 3: to hear from you on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1064
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Speaker 3: And if you're a gamer yourself, of course we want

1065
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Speaker 3: to have a chat to you. Nine two nine two

1066
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Speaker 3: is a text number.

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Speaker 2: I'm a gamer, me too.

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Speaker 3: It is seventeen past two.

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Speaker 6: Love it.

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Speaker 1: Your new home of afternoon Talk and Taylor Adams Afternoon Call.

1071
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Speaker 1: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

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Speaker 16: Said be.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen past two, Phil, How are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Good, thanks, just sitting in the sitting in the summer storms.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that was pretty crazy, wasn't it rumbled our whole

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Speaker 2: building just before I got a bit scared.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I love it, but I might have to

1079
00:51:02,213 --> 00:51:06,252
Speaker 9: raise my voice or during this cour Yeah time time.

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Speaker 9: The conversations moved on a little while I've being on,

1081
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Speaker 9: but I was just my first comment was just having

1082
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Speaker 9: a laugh at some of those texts earlier. And on

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Speaker 9: two fronts. Firstly, the mode of communication they choose to

1084
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Speaker 9: use where it seems to be those sorts of people.

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Speaker 9: I want to just throw shade at something and just

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Speaker 9: want to throw one liner out and then feel smoke,

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Speaker 9: whereas the people that actually want to engage in a subject.

1088
00:51:30,453 --> 00:51:32,212
Speaker 9: It would be interesting to get a call from someone

1089
00:51:32,373 --> 00:51:36,813
Speaker 9: who genuinely had a solid basis for such strong opposition

1090
00:51:36,973 --> 00:51:40,613
Speaker 9: to video games. The other grounds also that I was

1091
00:51:40,653 --> 00:51:44,493
Speaker 9: having a laugh at, well, a kind of a sad laugh,

1092
00:51:44,933 --> 00:51:48,733
Speaker 9: is I think it's far more damaging to raise the

1093
00:51:48,813 --> 00:51:53,413
Speaker 9: next generation with an idea that certain ways of thinking

1094
00:51:53,453 --> 00:51:56,373
Speaker 9: that aren't your own qualify you as an nuviat or

1095
00:51:56,373 --> 00:52:00,253
Speaker 9: a moron than it is to actually go down, go

1096
00:52:00,413 --> 00:52:03,373
Speaker 9: down to trade and behavior that is less than ideal.

1097
00:52:03,973 --> 00:52:06,453
Speaker 9: So I'd say someone who goes through life and waste

1098
00:52:06,493 --> 00:52:09,173
Speaker 9: their life on video game is actually probably lived a

1099
00:52:09,213 --> 00:52:12,773
Speaker 9: better life than someone who yeah, works at the local

1100
00:52:12,893 --> 00:52:15,413
Speaker 9: mine with an idea that eveyone that doesn't as an

1101
00:52:15,453 --> 00:52:18,333
Speaker 9: idiot and a moron. No, I could be debased on.

1102
00:52:18,373 --> 00:52:20,653
Speaker 2: That, but well get my point. This text here, for example,

1103
00:52:20,693 --> 00:52:22,493
Speaker 2: Phil that I read out before Matt Tyler. If you

1104
00:52:22,613 --> 00:52:24,973
Speaker 2: idiots think video games have any worth, you at idiots

1105
00:52:25,333 --> 00:52:27,773
Speaker 2: and someone calls me an idiot but uses idiot twice

1106
00:52:27,773 --> 00:52:32,013
Speaker 2: in the sentence rather than coming out yeah, definitely whilariously.

1107
00:52:34,413 --> 00:52:37,533
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, And I really like Glenn's call before that

1108
00:52:37,573 --> 00:52:40,573
Speaker 9: it was a really, really good, solid call from someone

1109
00:52:40,933 --> 00:52:43,053
Speaker 9: who has been playing games for a long time, and

1110
00:52:43,133 --> 00:52:46,213
Speaker 9: it obviously puts it in context and life, And that

1111
00:52:46,373 --> 00:52:48,292
Speaker 9: was along the same lines that I'm sort of ringing.

1112
00:52:48,693 --> 00:52:51,732
Speaker 9: I've got on the late forties and I've got four kids,

1113
00:52:51,773 --> 00:52:56,253
Speaker 9: the youngest nine, oldest fifteenth, and my base sort of

1114
00:52:56,333 --> 00:52:59,493
Speaker 9: one liner is that I've been extremely surprised by how

1115
00:52:59,733 --> 00:53:04,773
Speaker 9: positive the place of video games now in our family's

1116
00:53:04,813 --> 00:53:09,333
Speaker 9: lives have been. I was your, well feel traditional sort

1117
00:53:09,373 --> 00:53:12,093
Speaker 9: of mindset before I had kids at home. My kids

1118
00:53:12,133 --> 00:53:14,692
Speaker 9: are never going to touch video games. They're never going

1119
00:53:14,773 --> 00:53:16,973
Speaker 9: to touch an organic fight or all of that sort

1120
00:53:16,973 --> 00:53:19,693
Speaker 9: of stuff. But you know, it's like, especially when you

1121
00:53:19,773 --> 00:53:22,732
Speaker 9: have a few, you get a bit more pragmatic about things.

1122
00:53:22,773 --> 00:53:28,013
Speaker 9: But I've actually been surprised that our kids on video

1123
00:53:28,093 --> 00:53:30,853
Speaker 9: games has actually been a lot more positive than being

1124
00:53:31,253 --> 00:53:33,973
Speaker 9: just simply the pragmatism of getting on with everyday life.

1125
00:53:35,013 --> 00:53:38,613
Speaker 9: And that's what it's come down to sometimes, but it

1126
00:53:38,733 --> 00:53:42,453
Speaker 9: hasn't dominated like the speak in the pragmatism. Sometimes it's

1127
00:53:42,493 --> 00:53:45,053
Speaker 9: just a matter of trying to manage them as sort

1128
00:53:45,053 --> 00:53:47,173
Speaker 9: of an electronic babysitter. So I'm not going to defend

1129
00:53:47,253 --> 00:53:52,733
Speaker 9: that as a as a defense mechanism. But in the

1130
00:53:52,813 --> 00:53:57,053
Speaker 9: longfull I think it's played out quite positively, especially like

1131
00:53:58,053 --> 00:54:02,453
Speaker 9: and I'll speak with my youngest and oldest. My youngest, well, sorry,

1132
00:54:02,533 --> 00:54:04,973
Speaker 9: my oldest is was never really into them, but she

1133
00:54:06,333 --> 00:54:10,253
Speaker 9: to a little degree, but she really latched onto the

1134
00:54:10,533 --> 00:54:16,333
Speaker 9: idea of just achieving and engaging and just through watching

1135
00:54:16,973 --> 00:54:20,493
Speaker 9: YouTube videos in the right way, and she's that way

1136
00:54:20,533 --> 00:54:22,933
Speaker 9: inclined that she was able to discover a lot of

1137
00:54:23,613 --> 00:54:26,413
Speaker 9: theories about behavior and things like that through her own

1138
00:54:26,533 --> 00:54:31,893
Speaker 9: self directed YouTube watching. And now she's you know, she's

1139
00:54:32,053 --> 00:54:37,893
Speaker 9: she's going places really engaged, really highly intelligent, and highly motivated.

1140
00:54:38,933 --> 00:54:41,212
Speaker 9: It can go the other way, of course, but men

1141
00:54:41,493 --> 00:54:45,093
Speaker 9: switching to my youngest, like, he's he's similar, he's he's

1142
00:54:45,293 --> 00:54:48,373
Speaker 9: just got this incredibly fast mind that just works overdrive

1143
00:54:48,493 --> 00:54:49,973
Speaker 9: all the time, run rings around you.

1144
00:54:50,933 --> 00:54:51,373
Speaker 3: And he.

1145
00:54:53,013 --> 00:54:55,493
Speaker 9: Was kind of has gone through phase of the different games.

1146
00:54:55,533 --> 00:54:58,573
Speaker 9: Minecraft was really dominant for a while, and then a

1147
00:54:58,653 --> 00:55:00,933
Speaker 9: game called Geometry Dash, which I don't know if you're

1148
00:55:01,093 --> 00:55:05,333
Speaker 9: aware of that one, And both of those games, especially Minecraft,

1149
00:55:05,413 --> 00:55:09,373
Speaker 9: incredibly interactive, and he always wanted me to join them

1150
00:55:09,453 --> 00:55:11,493
Speaker 9: in the games, and all I could my level of

1151
00:55:11,573 --> 00:55:14,893
Speaker 9: skill skill extended only to be able to go around

1152
00:55:14,893 --> 00:55:18,773
Speaker 9: and kill animals, which was hilarious to him, but just

1153
00:55:19,453 --> 00:55:22,173
Speaker 9: witnessing the level of skill and creativity that he was

1154
00:55:22,733 --> 00:55:25,333
Speaker 9: able to engage with his game on and the fact

1155
00:55:25,373 --> 00:55:28,853
Speaker 9: that he actually wanted to draw others into his world

1156
00:55:28,933 --> 00:55:31,453
Speaker 9: with him and sorry, I'm in a bit of a ramp.

1157
00:55:31,533 --> 00:55:35,613
Speaker 9: So I think that's, to me is the biggest downer

1158
00:55:36,013 --> 00:55:40,653
Speaker 9: potential of games is the fantasy aspect, where it removes

1159
00:55:40,733 --> 00:55:43,893
Speaker 9: you into another world that you can control, and you

1160
00:55:44,093 --> 00:55:49,533
Speaker 9: gain your emotional responses and your reward, your brain's reward mechanisms,

1161
00:55:49,653 --> 00:55:54,133
Speaker 9: and your sense of achievement through an alternate universe that

1162
00:55:54,173 --> 00:55:56,493
Speaker 9: doesn't have any impact in everyday life. So I think

1163
00:55:56,573 --> 00:55:59,893
Speaker 9: the big thing for us has been that it's always

1164
00:55:59,933 --> 00:56:00,653
Speaker 9: been in context.

1165
00:56:01,533 --> 00:56:03,973
Speaker 2: And that's interesting when you talk about that game, because

1166
00:56:04,013 --> 00:56:08,133
Speaker 2: this game is like dead Read Redemption right, and read

1167
00:56:08,173 --> 00:56:10,813
Speaker 2: the Redemption too, And I played that quite a lot,

1168
00:56:11,293 --> 00:56:13,453
Speaker 2: and then one day I realized that I was working

1169
00:56:13,893 --> 00:56:16,773
Speaker 2: at night for my gang and read because you know,

1170
00:56:16,853 --> 00:56:18,973
Speaker 2: it's it's a sort of a Wild West type game.

1171
00:56:19,013 --> 00:56:22,013
Speaker 2: You around a horse, then you're going off and doing

1172
00:56:22,093 --> 00:56:25,013
Speaker 2: missions to do work to bring back stuff for your

1173
00:56:25,173 --> 00:56:28,173
Speaker 2: gang who is camping somewhere. And one day it just

1174
00:56:28,253 --> 00:56:33,493
Speaker 2: struck me, what am I doing. I'm working a fantasy world,

1175
00:56:34,013 --> 00:56:36,053
Speaker 2: and I'm going to be feeling a little bit stressed

1176
00:56:36,133 --> 00:56:38,333
Speaker 2: because the amount of work I need to get done

1177
00:56:38,773 --> 00:56:41,493
Speaker 2: and real dead redemption as well as the work I

1178
00:56:41,573 --> 00:56:44,013
Speaker 2: have to do in my real life. But it's kind

1179
00:56:44,013 --> 00:56:46,253
Speaker 2: of good in that case. What as doing is gaming

1180
00:56:46,373 --> 00:56:50,453
Speaker 2: that natural don't mean it. I guess we get from

1181
00:56:50,533 --> 00:56:54,213
Speaker 2: achieving things by working and achieving things, but that's just

1182
00:56:54,253 --> 00:56:56,133
Speaker 2: all happening in a fantasy world and you don't go

1183
00:56:56,293 --> 00:57:00,573
Speaker 2: anywhere with it. And that when I had that realization,

1184
00:57:00,733 --> 00:57:02,493
Speaker 2: I just put that game down and walked away.

1185
00:57:03,173 --> 00:57:04,813
Speaker 9: Which I think, which I think is the key is

1186
00:57:04,893 --> 00:57:07,773
Speaker 9: having that realization because what it actually does the positive

1187
00:57:07,813 --> 00:57:10,213
Speaker 9: outcomers that is that it gives you that taste for

1188
00:57:10,253 --> 00:57:12,093
Speaker 9: the achievement, and it gives you the taste for working

1189
00:57:12,173 --> 00:57:13,933
Speaker 9: for that achievement, and it gives you the taste for

1190
00:57:14,013 --> 00:57:15,773
Speaker 9: the value of the work that you do in and

1191
00:57:15,893 --> 00:57:18,493
Speaker 9: of itself. You know, you know, you know, you have

1192
00:57:18,613 --> 00:57:21,373
Speaker 9: to put the mahy in to get the reward, and

1193
00:57:21,573 --> 00:57:24,413
Speaker 9: so that when you when you actually have a wake

1194
00:57:24,533 --> 00:57:26,613
Speaker 9: up moment like that and come back to real life.

1195
00:57:26,893 --> 00:57:29,333
Speaker 9: It can actually apply really practically as.

1196
00:57:29,413 --> 00:57:31,653
Speaker 2: As lesson and then actually start.

1197
00:57:34,293 --> 00:57:38,573
Speaker 9: Because I know with my son, he's we got him.

1198
00:57:38,693 --> 00:57:38,853
Speaker 16: Well.

1199
00:57:38,933 --> 00:57:41,613
Speaker 9: He went along to watch as all the sisters doing

1200
00:57:42,373 --> 00:57:47,533
Speaker 9: skating lessons and he started getting into inline skating and

1201
00:57:48,373 --> 00:57:50,933
Speaker 9: inline hockey and he absolutely loves it. So that's just

1202
00:57:51,053 --> 00:57:54,333
Speaker 9: dominated like he can play a game now and put it,

1203
00:57:54,493 --> 00:57:55,933
Speaker 9: pick it up and put it down, you know, but

1204
00:57:56,373 --> 00:58:00,213
Speaker 9: in his mind hockey is where it's at, which is brilliant,

1205
00:58:00,253 --> 00:58:03,133
Speaker 9: you know, to see the same thing applies, and the

1206
00:58:03,213 --> 00:58:06,973
Speaker 9: same principles apply, the same mindset apply, and you know,

1207
00:58:07,013 --> 00:58:11,173
Speaker 9: only just loves it. But I do know that at

1208
00:58:11,213 --> 00:58:15,053
Speaker 9: the risk of going continuing to rant, you know, you

1209
00:58:15,173 --> 00:58:18,653
Speaker 9: have to sort of take each one of themselves. And actually,

1210
00:58:18,733 --> 00:58:21,493
Speaker 9: in our family, the biggest, the more of the dangerous

1211
00:58:21,693 --> 00:58:25,413
Speaker 9: one has been watching YouTube. And I mentioned my oldest

1212
00:58:25,453 --> 00:58:28,573
Speaker 9: thought before that very well for but some of the

1213
00:58:28,613 --> 00:58:32,173
Speaker 9: other ones they can just get watching a mindless junk.

1214
00:58:32,573 --> 00:58:35,293
Speaker 9: And what I found worked for them is at the

1215
00:58:35,373 --> 00:58:37,373
Speaker 9: end of the day sort of say you know, what

1216
00:58:37,533 --> 00:58:38,853
Speaker 9: sort of things did you watch today?

1217
00:58:38,893 --> 00:58:39,013
Speaker 1: Oh?

1218
00:58:39,133 --> 00:58:41,173
Speaker 9: YouTube? And then I'll say what, you know, what did

1219
00:58:41,213 --> 00:58:43,693
Speaker 9: you watch and then and then you'll do I can

1220
00:58:43,773 --> 00:58:45,973
Speaker 9: sort of see the realization in their face that they

1221
00:58:46,493 --> 00:58:51,173
Speaker 9: spend today and they don't actually they can't actually report

1222
00:58:51,253 --> 00:58:53,613
Speaker 9: anything from it. They can't they haven't engaged with it

1223
00:58:53,733 --> 00:58:55,573
Speaker 9: to a level where they're actually able to apply that.

1224
00:58:56,533 --> 00:58:58,653
Speaker 9: And so then I can come in with my dad

1225
00:58:58,773 --> 00:59:00,893
Speaker 9: lecture and say, y blah blah blah, it's good to

1226
00:59:01,053 --> 00:59:03,133
Speaker 9: you know, do this about every day life and apply

1227
00:59:03,253 --> 00:59:06,013
Speaker 9: this and stuff like that. But yeah, it comes back

1228
00:59:06,053 --> 00:59:08,333
Speaker 9: to that thing. I've been really surprised for how possit.

1229
00:59:08,853 --> 00:59:10,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for call Phil.

1230
00:59:10,893 --> 00:59:12,613
Speaker 2: Like, for example, this morning, I got out of bed

1231
00:59:12,653 --> 00:59:15,653
Speaker 2: and I watched four videos on ancient Rome, including how

1232
00:59:15,693 --> 00:59:19,333
Speaker 2: they navigated without maps that were set to a scale.

1233
00:59:19,493 --> 00:59:22,453
Speaker 3: See that's learning. That is good. That is information you

1234
00:59:22,533 --> 00:59:22,933
Speaker 3: can use.

1235
00:59:23,013 --> 00:59:25,293
Speaker 2: It's really interesting how they did navigate. They just had

1236
00:59:25,333 --> 00:59:27,493
Speaker 2: a list of places and wherever you went, you said,

1237
00:59:27,613 --> 00:59:29,253
Speaker 2: So they had the whole Roman Empire. They didn't know

1238
00:59:29,293 --> 00:59:32,053
Speaker 2: how far things were apart, but so when you went somewhere,

1239
00:59:32,093 --> 00:59:34,613
Speaker 2: it just said you go this, and then you'll need

1240
00:59:34,653 --> 00:59:37,013
Speaker 2: a new horse, and then you'll walk that far and

1241
00:59:37,133 --> 00:59:39,373
Speaker 2: you'll sleep there. But they didn't know how far things

1242
00:59:39,413 --> 00:59:41,253
Speaker 2: were apart, very interesting, fascinating.

1243
00:59:41,413 --> 00:59:43,613
Speaker 3: But that's what YouTube's become, right, And I don't watch

1244
00:59:43,693 --> 00:59:46,053
Speaker 3: too much YouTube, but is it almost like little short,

1245
00:59:46,173 --> 00:59:50,013
Speaker 3: sharp dopamine hits like Instagram or TikTok Because I sit

1246
00:59:50,093 --> 00:59:52,853
Speaker 3: there sometimes for hours at a time on Instagram just

1247
00:59:52,893 --> 00:59:55,253
Speaker 3: watching these little thirty second videos and I think I'm

1248
00:59:55,253 --> 00:59:57,053
Speaker 3: having a good time. But after a couple of hours,

1249
00:59:57,093 --> 00:59:57,933
Speaker 3: I'm like, what did I watch?

1250
00:59:58,293 --> 00:59:58,453
Speaker 7: Well?

1251
00:59:59,013 --> 01:00:01,813
Speaker 2: The algorithm has spotted me as someone that likes anything

1252
01:00:01,893 --> 01:00:05,253
Speaker 2: to do with ancient military campaigns. It just feeds them

1253
01:00:05,333 --> 01:00:07,333
Speaker 2: up and I love it. Anyway, we're not talking about that.

1254
01:00:07,373 --> 01:00:11,053
Speaker 2: We're talking about video games. Are they good? Are they bad?

1255
01:00:11,813 --> 01:00:14,093
Speaker 2: And if you want to get your kids off them,

1256
01:00:14,493 --> 01:00:15,413
Speaker 2: how do you go about it?

1257
01:00:15,573 --> 01:00:17,973
Speaker 3: Yep, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1258
01:00:18,013 --> 01:00:19,493
Speaker 3: of call. It's twenty nine past two.

1259
01:00:25,013 --> 01:00:28,653
Speaker 1: Matd Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1260
01:00:28,733 --> 01:00:31,333
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talk ZEDB talking about.

1261
01:00:31,133 --> 01:00:36,493
Speaker 2: Video games here because of the seventeen biggest Internet usage spikes.

1262
01:00:36,533 --> 01:00:40,093
Speaker 2: This year's fourteen with the video game Fortnite in New

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01:00:40,213 --> 01:00:42,613
Speaker 2: Zealand has text on nine two nine two and we

1264
01:00:42,653 --> 01:00:44,973
Speaker 2: will get you calls. We've got full lines there. High

1265
01:00:45,013 --> 01:00:47,373
Speaker 2: gaming can be a problem if it's the only activity

1266
01:00:47,453 --> 01:00:52,253
Speaker 2: the children engages in. That's hundred percent, isn't it. I mean,

1267
01:00:52,773 --> 01:00:54,293
Speaker 2: you know, if there's some balance, and we would all

1268
01:00:54,333 --> 01:00:57,853
Speaker 2: love them out as I said before, building tree hearts

1269
01:00:58,373 --> 01:01:03,533
Speaker 2: and playing sport and going fishing and helping granddad mow

1270
01:01:03,613 --> 01:01:07,773
Speaker 2: the lawns. But that doesn't always happen. Hey been gaming

1271
01:01:07,893 --> 01:01:11,973
Speaker 2: since I was fourteen. I was found await Sorry. Was

1272
01:01:12,013 --> 01:01:14,733
Speaker 2: always a way to stay connected with my friends and family,

1273
01:01:14,813 --> 01:01:17,853
Speaker 2: especially if they moved to another city. I've always been

1274
01:01:17,893 --> 01:01:20,773
Speaker 2: into sports and outdoors, but for winding down, gaming was

1275
01:01:20,853 --> 01:01:23,493
Speaker 2: my go to over movies, Netflix or endlessly scrolling on

1276
01:01:23,573 --> 01:01:26,133
Speaker 2: my phone. Like all things. There's some crappy games out

1277
01:01:26,173 --> 01:01:28,653
Speaker 2: there that offer no value to our brains, but also

1278
01:01:28,773 --> 01:01:31,813
Speaker 2: some games that do with in depth stories and puzzles.

1279
01:01:31,893 --> 01:01:34,333
Speaker 2: Twenty seven hour and I still gain most nights. I

1280
01:01:34,493 --> 01:01:36,733
Speaker 2: enjoy car games mainly, Yeah, game, I love it.

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01:01:37,093 --> 01:01:39,333
Speaker 3: Keep those techs coming through. On nine two ninety two

1282
01:01:39,373 --> 01:01:42,333
Speaker 3: were horribly late, So the headlines coming up. Then we'll

1283
01:01:42,373 --> 01:01:44,253
Speaker 3: get to more of your calls. Oh eight, one hundred

1284
01:01:44,253 --> 01:01:46,373
Speaker 3: and eighty teen eighty is the number to call. It

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01:01:46,533 --> 01:01:47,653
Speaker 3: is twenty eight to.

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Speaker 14: to matte Eathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. We are talking about Vidia

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01:03:09,333 --> 01:03:12,573
Speaker 3: on the back of a study in New Zealand that

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Speaker 3: showed of the seventeen biggest internet usage spikes this year fourteen.

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01:03:17,133 --> 01:03:19,493
Speaker 3: We're Fortnite updates, which is a massive online game.

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01:03:19,693 --> 01:03:21,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we're getting We're getting a lot of

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01:03:21,973 --> 01:03:24,373
Speaker 2: video game love and a lot of video game.

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01:03:24,333 --> 01:03:27,053
Speaker 3: Hate here, which certainly are con comvercial, and you know a.

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01:03:27,093 --> 01:03:29,413
Speaker 2: Lot of video game middle ground where people say as

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01:03:29,453 --> 01:03:32,653
Speaker 2: good in moderation as everything is. But look, if you've

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01:03:32,693 --> 01:03:34,333
Speaker 2: got if you're worried about your kids being on video

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01:03:34,373 --> 01:03:36,733
Speaker 2: games too much, or yourself for that matter, because I've

1317
01:03:36,773 --> 01:03:38,933
Speaker 2: definitely been worried about myself being on video games too

1318
01:03:39,013 --> 01:03:41,053
Speaker 2: much in the past. Yeah, how do you get yourself

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01:03:41,093 --> 01:03:42,693
Speaker 2: off and how do you get other people off? Or

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Speaker 2: do we not need to worry about it?

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01:03:44,093 --> 01:03:46,053
Speaker 3: Yep? Great text here before we go back to the

1322
01:03:46,093 --> 01:03:48,693
Speaker 3: phone calls. Getay, guys, I'm an avid gamer. The biggest

1323
01:03:48,733 --> 01:03:51,213
Speaker 3: issue that no one talks about with the current video

1324
01:03:51,253 --> 01:03:54,573
Speaker 3: game industry is the amount of blatant gambling mechanics present

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01:03:54,653 --> 01:03:57,933
Speaker 3: in most populy popular games. The legislation is woefully behind

1326
01:03:57,973 --> 01:04:02,093
Speaker 3: on this front. Gambling is immensely, immensely dangerous for children,

1327
01:04:02,253 --> 01:04:04,853
Speaker 3: which is why casinos are so heavily legislated. But they

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01:04:04,933 --> 01:04:08,573
Speaker 3: can spend tens of thousands on loopboxes in games out

1329
01:04:08,573 --> 01:04:10,773
Speaker 3: any issue. I've spent a bit on loop boxes, I've

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01:04:10,773 --> 01:04:11,173
Speaker 3: got to say.

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01:04:11,453 --> 01:04:13,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's no doubt, you know, there's the

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01:04:14,373 --> 01:04:16,613
Speaker 2: war for your attention. There's only twenty four hours in

1333
01:04:16,693 --> 01:04:18,933
Speaker 2: a day, and we're asleep for some of it. We've

1334
01:04:18,973 --> 01:04:23,053
Speaker 2: got so many big tech companies trying to eat into

1335
01:04:23,173 --> 01:04:26,213
Speaker 2: our time for gain, and video games is just another

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01:04:26,253 --> 01:04:29,253
Speaker 2: one of them, along with the YouTube and Netflix and

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Speaker 2: talk bag radio.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jordan, how are you mate?

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 13: I just wanted to give a perspective on gaming. So

1341
01:04:38,573 --> 01:04:42,293
Speaker 13: myself as a gamer, you know, growing up with games

1342
01:04:42,493 --> 01:04:46,213
Speaker 13: probably from childhood all the way to know as an adult.

1343
01:04:46,373 --> 01:04:50,413
Speaker 13: So I think I started around PlayStation one era, so

1344
01:04:50,613 --> 01:04:54,773
Speaker 13: back in the nineties and I'm twenty nine now, you know,

1345
01:04:54,973 --> 01:04:58,293
Speaker 13: hold a stable job, work really hard, nine to five

1346
01:04:58,413 --> 01:05:02,013
Speaker 13: Monday to Friday, and yeah, I think it's I don't

1347
01:05:02,013 --> 01:05:05,093
Speaker 13: think it's a negative thing at all. In fact, there's

1348
01:05:05,213 --> 01:05:08,893
Speaker 13: a lot of there's a way more positives from gaming

1349
01:05:09,013 --> 01:05:14,173
Speaker 13: than than any negatives. So in terms of Fortnight, so

1350
01:05:14,413 --> 01:05:18,253
Speaker 13: we're talking about that. So you dropped into this this

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01:05:18,493 --> 01:05:22,973
Speaker 13: arena where it's the last man standing, and there's actually

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01:05:23,053 --> 01:05:26,413
Speaker 13: quite a few skills that I'm sure kids today are

1353
01:05:26,493 --> 01:05:30,733
Speaker 13: learning and using, you know, while playing. So there's you know,

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01:05:30,893 --> 01:05:34,453
Speaker 13: cognitive development with strategizing of you know how you're going

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01:05:34,533 --> 01:05:36,853
Speaker 13: to win. You just land on this map, you have

1356
01:05:36,933 --> 01:05:40,213
Speaker 13: to decide where to go next, where you know hazard

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01:05:40,333 --> 01:05:45,773
Speaker 13: we plan and attacks to different teams. There's there's map awareness,

1358
01:05:45,893 --> 01:05:48,773
Speaker 13: you know where you're on the map, having to keep

1359
01:05:48,853 --> 01:05:52,133
Speaker 13: track of where you're at. There's when it gets fast paced,

1360
01:05:52,213 --> 01:05:55,573
Speaker 13: there's like your hand and eye coordination, your reaction times.

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Speaker 2: The building building is incredible because you know, I started

1362
01:05:59,293 --> 01:06:01,773
Speaker 2: off playing Fortnite right at the start and I could

1363
01:06:01,893 --> 01:06:05,453
Speaker 2: keep up, but then the skills on the building of

1364
01:06:05,533 --> 01:06:07,213
Speaker 2: the forts is just phenomenal.

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01:06:07,293 --> 01:06:12,053
Speaker 13: Now, yeah, it's crazy. And then as a lot of

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01:06:12,133 --> 01:06:15,853
Speaker 13: other people pointed out, there's also you know teamwork with communications,

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01:06:15,933 --> 01:06:19,053
Speaker 13: so it's a great way to chat with friends or

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01:06:19,093 --> 01:06:23,613
Speaker 13: even new make new friends online, you know, and really

1369
01:06:24,493 --> 01:06:27,373
Speaker 13: yeah escape I guess the real world for some for

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01:06:27,533 --> 01:06:31,573
Speaker 13: some teens even, And then when you get to puzzle games,

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01:06:31,653 --> 01:06:34,973
Speaker 13: there's also there's like planning on that. So it's like

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01:06:35,373 --> 01:06:37,213
Speaker 13: I want to achieve this goal. What do I have

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01:06:37,293 --> 01:06:39,893
Speaker 13: to do first? Like I should do X, then Y that,

1374
01:06:40,053 --> 01:06:42,653
Speaker 13: and then finally I can reach my goal. There's there's

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Speaker 13: a lot more to it. And if we compare it

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01:06:45,453 --> 01:06:49,253
Speaker 13: to other technologies that we have today, with the likes

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01:06:49,293 --> 01:06:53,213
Speaker 13: of social media, with Instagram, reels or tech talk, you know,

1378
01:06:53,773 --> 01:06:56,293
Speaker 13: it's it's way better than that.

1379
01:06:56,973 --> 01:06:59,853
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the brain rot of just watching sixty second

1380
01:06:59,933 --> 01:07:02,253
Speaker 2: clips and just going through I mean that that the

1381
01:07:03,973 --> 01:07:06,813
Speaker 2: problems that's doing to people's attention span is nothing on

1382
01:07:06,893 --> 01:07:09,053
Speaker 2: what video games are doing. I mean video games you

1383
01:07:09,173 --> 01:07:11,093
Speaker 2: have to be engaged, you have to have to be

1384
01:07:11,213 --> 01:07:13,973
Speaker 2: part of it. Now, Jordan, has there been times in

1385
01:07:13,973 --> 01:07:15,853
Speaker 2: your life though, when you thought you're gaming too much

1386
01:07:15,933 --> 01:07:16,973
Speaker 2: and you've tried to cut back.

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01:07:19,533 --> 01:07:22,373
Speaker 13: There has been a few times. But yeah, that's one

1388
01:07:22,373 --> 01:07:25,173
Speaker 13: point I want to I wanted to say, is everything

1389
01:07:25,213 --> 01:07:28,813
Speaker 13: in moderation. So I mean I I did gaming throughout

1390
01:07:28,933 --> 01:07:32,173
Speaker 13: my studying, you know, us studying and now even at

1391
01:07:32,253 --> 01:07:38,253
Speaker 13: work and not sorry during work, but whilst working after good,

1392
01:07:38,493 --> 01:07:41,413
Speaker 13: good day at work. But yeah, I think I think

1393
01:07:41,493 --> 01:07:44,133
Speaker 13: you just have to learn that balance. And for parents

1394
01:07:45,053 --> 01:07:48,053
Speaker 13: it should be everything in moderation. So you know, if

1395
01:07:48,293 --> 01:07:51,133
Speaker 13: if the kids doing well, they're doing their homework and

1396
01:07:51,213 --> 01:07:53,733
Speaker 13: they do all their chores, then should give them some

1397
01:07:53,893 --> 01:07:56,333
Speaker 13: time to play the game, but don't let them do

1398
01:07:56,733 --> 01:08:00,173
Speaker 13: whatever they want. And whenever they want, you know, to

1399
01:08:00,293 --> 01:08:05,653
Speaker 13: play games that it should be definitely in moderation one

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01:08:05,653 --> 01:08:06,653
Speaker 13: of things.

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01:08:06,733 --> 01:08:09,693
Speaker 2: And games isn't it when you you say you did

1402
01:08:09,733 --> 01:08:12,973
Speaker 2: it between work. But it's funny because you know, in

1403
01:08:12,973 --> 01:08:14,653
Speaker 2: the times when I played a lot of video games,

1404
01:08:15,013 --> 01:08:17,372
Speaker 2: it's normally when I've got something else on, then they're fun.

1405
01:08:17,532 --> 01:08:20,053
Speaker 2: But if you say sick for a week, then video

1406
01:08:20,133 --> 01:08:22,732
Speaker 2: games get really boring. If you've if you've got aunt

1407
01:08:22,933 --> 01:08:25,812
Speaker 2: time to play them, then then they burn out pretty quickly.

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01:08:28,772 --> 01:08:31,452
Speaker 13: And you can actually see that a lot with So

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01:08:31,572 --> 01:08:34,293
Speaker 13: there's a lot of gamers that stream on Twitch, and

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01:08:34,412 --> 01:08:37,412
Speaker 13: a lot of them actually talk about the burnout of

1411
01:08:37,532 --> 01:08:40,652
Speaker 13: having to you know, stream that becomes their main career

1412
01:08:40,692 --> 01:08:43,293
Speaker 13: and it's like they have to stream them playing games

1413
01:08:43,333 --> 01:08:46,013
Speaker 13: every day and how it takes the fun out of it.

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01:08:46,133 --> 01:08:50,012
Speaker 13: So yeah, definitely that's another another aspect. Yeah, yeah, definitely

1415
01:08:50,013 --> 01:08:52,173
Speaker 13: in moderation. That's the key point. No, I just want

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01:08:52,213 --> 01:08:56,772
Speaker 13: to quickly leave one other story with you. So this

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01:08:57,253 --> 01:09:02,253
Speaker 13: this ties into workplace and gaming. So I myself work

1418
01:09:02,333 --> 01:09:05,213
Speaker 13: in the IT industry, and I guess you could say

1419
01:09:05,253 --> 01:09:07,933
Speaker 13: it's a bit cliche or or you know whatever, but

1420
01:09:09,013 --> 01:09:11,892
Speaker 13: we are you know, some gigs, I guess, or nerds.

1421
01:09:11,933 --> 01:09:16,532
Speaker 13: So we do play games. And what we decided two

1422
01:09:16,692 --> 01:09:20,293
Speaker 13: years ago now that on a Friday night we were

1423
01:09:20,612 --> 01:09:23,173
Speaker 13: all going to hop on and play some games. So

1424
01:09:23,253 --> 01:09:26,173
Speaker 13: we try to find ones that are cross platform to

1425
01:09:26,452 --> 01:09:28,732
Speaker 13: include the most amount of colleagues that wanted to join.

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01:09:30,053 --> 01:09:32,572
Speaker 13: And we did this late at night, so after everyone's

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01:09:32,572 --> 01:09:34,932
Speaker 13: put their kids to bed and you know, everything's all

1428
01:09:34,973 --> 01:09:38,093
Speaker 13: good for the for the day and the weekend head

1429
01:09:39,692 --> 01:09:44,972
Speaker 13: and this has actually created a really positive environment at work.

1430
01:09:45,173 --> 01:09:48,333
Speaker 13: So you know, we it takes like our play with

1431
01:09:48,572 --> 01:09:51,732
Speaker 13: my manager and we've played with other buses that have

1432
01:09:51,853 --> 01:09:54,652
Speaker 13: joined the core, and it takes out all of that

1433
01:09:54,812 --> 01:09:57,652
Speaker 13: and gives us like a neutral environment where you know,

1434
01:09:57,812 --> 01:10:02,372
Speaker 13: your job title becomes irrelevant and then team building begins

1435
01:10:02,452 --> 01:10:07,333
Speaker 13: and with the communication, shared loft and fun when it's lasting,

1436
01:10:07,452 --> 01:10:10,973
Speaker 13: positive associationations and memories like I've had some of the

1437
01:10:11,452 --> 01:10:13,013
Speaker 13: like that was a high out of the week. For

1438
01:10:13,093 --> 01:10:15,812
Speaker 13: some weeks, it's like getting on with the colleagues and

1439
01:10:15,973 --> 01:10:17,692
Speaker 13: having a good gaming session.

1440
01:10:17,772 --> 01:10:21,452
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you so much for

1441
01:10:21,532 --> 01:10:25,213
Speaker 2: you for your insights there, Jordan. That's really interesting. That's

1442
01:10:25,253 --> 01:10:27,173
Speaker 2: socializing part of it, because a lot of people have

1443
01:10:27,253 --> 01:10:29,372
Speaker 2: this fewer video games where it's just a person in

1444
01:10:29,452 --> 01:10:33,772
Speaker 2: their room by themselves with their headphones on, screaming and yelling.

1445
01:10:34,412 --> 01:10:37,333
Speaker 2: But there is a social aspect to it where you

1446
01:10:37,412 --> 01:10:40,333
Speaker 2: can get together and you're not driving across town and

1447
01:10:40,452 --> 01:10:42,492
Speaker 2: you're not meeting up at a parble or meeting up

1448
01:10:42,692 --> 01:10:44,333
Speaker 2: you know, together out at someone's house, but you are

1449
01:10:44,452 --> 01:10:46,933
Speaker 2: meeting up and you are interacting with people, and then

1450
01:10:46,973 --> 01:10:49,212
Speaker 2: when you see them again, you have this shared experience

1451
01:10:49,293 --> 01:10:51,852
Speaker 2: that you've had with them. And that's probably hard for

1452
01:10:51,933 --> 01:10:54,093
Speaker 2: some people to understand. They haven't been involved in that,

1453
01:10:54,612 --> 01:10:56,733
Speaker 2: and they just see it as this sort of pointless

1454
01:10:57,532 --> 01:11:00,053
Speaker 2: virtual world where you're not really experiencing anything and you're

1455
01:11:00,053 --> 01:11:00,932
Speaker 2: operating in fantasy.

1456
01:11:01,013 --> 01:11:01,612
Speaker 3: But you can be.

1457
01:11:01,692 --> 01:11:04,612
Speaker 2: Operating with other human beings and all the politics that

1458
01:11:04,692 --> 01:11:08,173
Speaker 2: that takes and all the socializing and friends, but you know,

1459
01:11:08,333 --> 01:11:11,213
Speaker 2: you'd hope you'd also have a real face to face

1460
01:11:11,372 --> 01:11:12,732
Speaker 2: aspect of that friendship as well.

1461
01:11:12,853 --> 01:11:14,253
Speaker 3: There's a few of my friends that did it and

1462
01:11:14,333 --> 01:11:16,772
Speaker 3: I could never be involved because I had an Xbox

1463
01:11:16,812 --> 01:11:19,452
Speaker 3: three sixty, which is an older model console for mine

1464
01:11:19,933 --> 01:11:22,852
Speaker 3: had to lag something wicked. But yeah, I sometimes felt

1465
01:11:22,893 --> 01:11:24,133
Speaker 3: like I missed out a little bit when we got

1466
01:11:24,173 --> 01:11:26,092
Speaker 3: round at the pub and the boys were talking about

1467
01:11:26,093 --> 01:11:28,932
Speaker 3: black ops and taking down the team, and I thought, man,

1468
01:11:28,933 --> 01:11:30,932
Speaker 3: I've got to get on that. But oh, one hundred

1469
01:11:30,973 --> 01:11:32,933
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It

1470
01:11:33,213 --> 01:11:34,253
Speaker 3: is a quarter to three.

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01:11:36,133 --> 01:11:39,532
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

1472
01:11:39,893 --> 01:11:43,572
Speaker 1: everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons You

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01:11:43,772 --> 01:11:45,412
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four used talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be thirteen to three.

1475
01:11:46,893 --> 01:11:49,372
Speaker 2: We're talking about video games, and like a lot of issues,

1476
01:11:49,412 --> 01:11:52,412
Speaker 2: it ends up not being an answer black and white

1477
01:11:52,412 --> 01:11:54,933
Speaker 2: answer are they good? Are they bad? This text as

1478
01:11:54,973 --> 01:11:56,972
Speaker 2: an example of that on nine two nine two. Hi, guys,

1479
01:11:57,013 --> 01:11:59,893
Speaker 2: It's hard for me as my son loves Fortnite. He

1480
01:11:59,973 --> 01:12:03,133
Speaker 2: talks to his friends and it does help him bond

1481
01:12:03,452 --> 01:12:05,612
Speaker 2: with them. However, he did turn into the world's biggest

1482
01:12:05,652 --> 01:12:10,053
Speaker 2: shit every ever since he started playing Attitude big time.

1483
01:12:10,412 --> 01:12:13,013
Speaker 2: Admittedly he probably shouldn't play, but also he has so

1484
01:12:13,133 --> 01:12:15,892
Speaker 2: much fun with his mates. Stuffy the way. I guess that.

1485
01:12:16,013 --> 01:12:16,973
Speaker 3: Sums it up, doesn't It.

1486
01:12:18,492 --> 01:12:20,932
Speaker 2: Sums up a lot of the modern problems that we face.

1487
01:12:22,293 --> 01:12:25,892
Speaker 3: The eve. How you I'm good?

1488
01:12:25,933 --> 01:12:26,932
Speaker 6: How are you good?

1489
01:12:27,612 --> 01:12:30,052
Speaker 3: You've got a seven year old who's quite a talented gamer.

1490
01:12:30,933 --> 01:12:33,253
Speaker 12: He's very talented. He can beat any adult.

1491
01:12:33,732 --> 01:12:34,892
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and what does he play?

1492
01:12:35,772 --> 01:12:36,692
Speaker 12: He plays Fortnite?

1493
01:12:37,812 --> 01:12:40,333
Speaker 2: And are you happy with him playing Fortnite? Do you

1494
01:12:40,412 --> 01:12:43,053
Speaker 2: see any bad bad outcomes from it? Or is it

1495
01:12:43,093 --> 01:12:43,692
Speaker 2: all positive?

1496
01:12:44,293 --> 01:12:44,333
Speaker 4: No?

1497
01:12:44,572 --> 01:12:48,932
Speaker 12: It looks he his school team two weeks ago got

1498
01:12:49,053 --> 01:12:53,293
Speaker 12: food in basketball on the North Shore. Last week his

1499
01:12:53,492 --> 01:12:57,532
Speaker 12: team got first in the touch on the north Shore.

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01:12:58,053 --> 01:13:01,412
Speaker 12: He plays tick boxing and he's also got his own

1501
01:13:01,492 --> 01:13:03,652
Speaker 12: set of golf clubs and he can do a round

1502
01:13:03,692 --> 01:13:04,093
Speaker 12: of golf.

1503
01:13:04,532 --> 01:13:05,253
Speaker 3: He's talented.

1504
01:13:05,293 --> 01:13:10,133
Speaker 12: Boy, he's a success story from our ome ranging Tamariki.

1505
01:13:11,612 --> 01:13:16,093
Speaker 12: But he you know, it doesn't take away from the

1506
01:13:16,293 --> 01:13:19,572
Speaker 12: sports or anything like that playing those games. In fact,

1507
01:13:19,652 --> 01:13:22,652
Speaker 12: he's got great hand eye coordination.

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01:13:23,652 --> 01:13:26,772
Speaker 3: And as I understand, it Eve's it's great for and

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Speaker 3: I think a few callers and Texas have mentioned that.

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01:13:28,772 --> 01:13:32,132
Speaker 3: But Fortnite particularly, there's a lot of problem solving involved

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01:13:32,173 --> 01:13:33,133
Speaker 3: in that game, is that right?

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01:13:34,213 --> 01:13:35,133
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's quite a lot.

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01:13:35,492 --> 01:13:35,692
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:13:36,053 --> 01:13:38,812
Speaker 12: And he's always getting the fully crowned wins, which I

1515
01:13:38,853 --> 01:13:41,173
Speaker 12: don't understand anything about because I'm too old for that.

1516
01:13:41,933 --> 01:13:47,412
Speaker 12: But but you know, it hasn't got any negative side

1517
01:13:47,412 --> 01:13:49,213
Speaker 12: effects as far as I can see.

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01:13:49,893 --> 01:13:51,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I guess what you've got there is the

1519
01:13:51,893 --> 01:13:55,892
Speaker 2: perfect situation there. It sounds like you've got a grandson

1520
01:13:55,973 --> 01:14:00,452
Speaker 2: that's achieving across a lot of different things, and that's great.

1521
01:14:00,973 --> 01:14:05,412
Speaker 2: But if it was only Fortnite or Fortnite a lot

1522
01:14:05,452 --> 01:14:07,133
Speaker 2: of the time, and he wasn't doing these amazing things

1523
01:14:07,412 --> 01:14:10,972
Speaker 2: in touch and and other things, then you would probably

1524
01:14:10,973 --> 01:14:12,093
Speaker 2: start worrying, wouldn't you eat?

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01:14:13,093 --> 01:14:13,333
Speaker 11: Well?

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01:14:13,492 --> 01:14:17,692
Speaker 12: I probably would, But I think it's the amount of

1527
01:14:17,893 --> 01:14:20,652
Speaker 12: time you spend with a child. I mean, I'm seventy

1528
01:14:20,732 --> 01:14:25,253
Speaker 12: six and I have custody of him for custody, so

1529
01:14:26,173 --> 01:14:29,972
Speaker 12: my whole life revolves around him and what he wants

1530
01:14:30,053 --> 01:14:32,173
Speaker 12: to do, and if he wants to do something, I'll

1531
01:14:32,253 --> 01:14:36,572
Speaker 12: make sure it happens. I mean, most parents are so

1532
01:14:36,933 --> 01:14:41,213
Speaker 12: tied up with trying to make a living that trying

1533
01:14:41,293 --> 01:14:44,333
Speaker 12: to do the house where and keep everything on top

1534
01:14:44,372 --> 01:14:50,132
Speaker 12: of everything. I can understand why they find it a problem.

1535
01:14:52,492 --> 01:14:57,452
Speaker 12: Life for pearents is so damned hard, whereas my life

1536
01:14:57,652 --> 01:15:00,532
Speaker 12: revolves around him and that's well.

1537
01:15:00,452 --> 01:15:02,492
Speaker 2: Lucky boy, and it sounds like it's all working out

1538
01:15:02,532 --> 01:15:03,253
Speaker 2: great for him.

1539
01:15:03,253 --> 01:15:03,612
Speaker 16: And for you.

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01:15:04,812 --> 01:15:07,093
Speaker 12: Well it is, you know, I mean, there was no

1541
01:15:07,253 --> 01:15:09,852
Speaker 12: other alternative. You know, it goes on as it does.

1542
01:15:10,412 --> 01:15:14,692
Speaker 12: But I can understand why parents get frustrated, and you know,

1543
01:15:14,933 --> 01:15:17,372
Speaker 12: and it could cause a problem for some because you knows,

1544
01:15:17,372 --> 01:15:19,452
Speaker 12: depending on their temperament. I mean, I've never had a

1545
01:15:20,133 --> 01:15:21,452
Speaker 12: meltdown with mine.

1546
01:15:23,173 --> 01:15:24,852
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call, Eve, And that's

1547
01:15:24,893 --> 01:15:27,492
Speaker 2: the positive side of video gaming. It is interesting when

1548
01:15:27,532 --> 01:15:31,652
Speaker 2: you look back into you know, archaeo anthropology, it does

1549
01:15:31,853 --> 01:15:35,932
Speaker 2: appear that in you know, previous iterations before modern society,

1550
01:15:36,013 --> 01:15:38,173
Speaker 2: that that's how things used to work, That the parents

1551
01:15:38,213 --> 01:15:40,732
Speaker 2: would work and the grandparents would bring up the kids. Yeah, yeah,

1552
01:15:41,053 --> 01:15:43,452
Speaker 2: because they had you know, when you had the most energy,

1553
01:15:43,532 --> 01:15:46,973
Speaker 2: you would unleash it onto productive work and hunting and

1554
01:15:47,093 --> 01:15:50,093
Speaker 2: gathering and such, and the grandparents would would be the

1555
01:15:50,133 --> 01:15:53,133
Speaker 2: ones that looked after the kids. There's there's a certain

1556
01:15:53,173 --> 01:15:57,492
Speaker 2: logic to that. There are bangs of granny flat. Granny

1557
01:15:57,532 --> 01:16:01,852
Speaker 2: flat exactly everyone lived together and the grandparents bring up

1558
01:16:01,853 --> 01:16:02,812
Speaker 2: the kids. Let's go yeah.

1559
01:16:03,013 --> 01:16:04,972
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.

1560
01:16:05,053 --> 01:16:07,293
Speaker 3: Call nine two nine two is the text number. It

1561
01:16:07,612 --> 01:16:09,253
Speaker 3: is eight minutes to three.

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01:16:10,652 --> 01:16:12,572
Speaker 14: The issues that affect you and a.

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01:16:12,612 --> 01:16:15,452
Speaker 1: Bit of fun along the way. Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

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01:16:15,572 --> 01:16:18,972
Speaker 1: Afternoons You for twenty twenty four News Talks edby.

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01:16:20,013 --> 01:16:22,692
Speaker 3: News Talks ed b It is six to three and

1566
01:16:22,812 --> 01:16:25,132
Speaker 3: been having a great discussion about video games.

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01:16:25,572 --> 01:16:29,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, so of the seventeen biggest Internet usage spikes this

1568
01:16:29,253 --> 01:16:32,372
Speaker 2: year fourteen with a Fortnite Updates, which is a video game.

1569
01:16:32,812 --> 01:16:35,612
Speaker 2: And we've gone back and forth those who love video

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01:16:35,732 --> 01:16:37,572
Speaker 2: games and think they're great for your brain, and there's

1571
01:16:37,572 --> 01:16:40,452
Speaker 2: a few studies that go that way, yeah, and other

1572
01:16:40,532 --> 01:16:43,812
Speaker 2: people that say it's turned their kids into absolute monsters

1573
01:16:43,853 --> 01:16:45,172
Speaker 2: and they don't know what to do with themselves.

1574
01:16:45,293 --> 01:16:47,412
Speaker 3: But I hate out there some great text all coming

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01:16:47,452 --> 01:16:49,093
Speaker 3: through on nine two, nine and two. Kiday, guys, I

1576
01:16:49,213 --> 01:16:51,932
Speaker 3: let our young lads play those games, like you say,

1577
01:16:52,253 --> 01:16:55,692
Speaker 3: helps worth cognitive skills, problem solving and reactions. One is

1578
01:16:55,732 --> 01:16:59,412
Speaker 3: obsessed with football, so he just plays FIFA twenty four.

1579
01:16:59,732 --> 01:17:02,053
Speaker 3: One loves racing card games. We have a four year old.

1580
01:17:02,093 --> 01:17:07,293
Speaker 3: We don't let play. It's better than them watching morons

1581
01:17:07,372 --> 01:17:10,612
Speaker 3: on YouTube. Don't get me started on more morons on YouTube.

1582
01:17:11,412 --> 01:17:14,133
Speaker 3: I've rediscovered a love for video games myself. How good

1583
01:17:14,173 --> 01:17:16,892
Speaker 3: are they now? Favorite modern games The Batman Arkham series,

1584
01:17:16,933 --> 01:17:20,892
Speaker 3: Great Game, Great Games, Unchanted, Great Games, and The Last

1585
01:17:20,933 --> 01:17:21,213
Speaker 3: of Us.

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01:17:21,692 --> 01:17:22,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh great games.

1587
01:17:23,013 --> 01:17:23,173
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1588
01:17:23,213 --> 01:17:25,333
Speaker 2: Well, my kids look at me when I play those games.

1589
01:17:25,372 --> 01:17:27,812
Speaker 2: They call them old man games, the Uncharted or the

1590
01:17:28,093 --> 01:17:30,612
Speaker 2: Last of Us when you go on a journey, and

1591
01:17:30,652 --> 01:17:34,452
Speaker 2: they're story based games. My husband is an avid gamer.

1592
01:17:34,532 --> 01:17:36,893
Speaker 2: He's a professional, holds down a steady job as a

1593
01:17:36,973 --> 01:17:39,492
Speaker 2: leader in the insurance industry, and actively engaged in their

1594
01:17:39,532 --> 01:17:42,133
Speaker 2: family gaming as his hobby. He loves connecting with others

1595
01:17:42,213 --> 01:17:44,532
Speaker 2: in the fortnite community and has made great friends all

1596
01:17:44,612 --> 01:17:46,972
Speaker 2: over the world. I'd much rather a husband who has

1597
01:17:47,213 --> 01:17:49,173
Speaker 2: who is at home and gaming over the weekend than

1598
01:17:49,213 --> 01:17:52,132
Speaker 2: a husband who is out getting drunk with his mates.

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01:17:53,213 --> 01:17:53,253
Speaker 5: Go.

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01:17:53,452 --> 01:17:55,772
Speaker 2: That's the socializing aspect of it, although I would say

1601
01:17:56,093 --> 01:17:58,772
Speaker 2: than any proper socializing you need to have a face

1602
01:17:58,933 --> 01:18:00,013
Speaker 2: to face aspect to it.

1603
01:18:00,213 --> 01:18:01,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you can't just be at home gaming all

1604
01:18:01,973 --> 01:18:03,852
Speaker 3: the time. It's their balance And.

1605
01:18:03,893 --> 01:18:05,732
Speaker 2: Here goes to text. It probably sums it all up.

1606
01:18:05,853 --> 01:18:08,532
Speaker 2: It all goes back to balance. We saw often want

1607
01:18:08,572 --> 01:18:10,372
Speaker 2: to say something is good or bad, but it's all

1608
01:18:11,053 --> 01:18:12,932
Speaker 2: and how we work with it. I mean, that's that's

1609
01:18:12,973 --> 01:18:14,893
Speaker 2: the truth. So when I asked the question at the

1610
01:18:14,933 --> 01:18:17,732
Speaker 2: start as gaming good or bad, it's probably somewhere in

1611
01:18:17,772 --> 01:18:20,772
Speaker 2: the middle. Its terrible for some people, it is okay

1612
01:18:20,853 --> 01:18:22,732
Speaker 2: for some people, and it's great for some other people.

1613
01:18:22,772 --> 01:18:26,173
Speaker 2: But one thing's for sure, it's hugely popular and only

1614
01:18:26,213 --> 01:18:27,052
Speaker 2: getting more popular.

1615
01:18:27,372 --> 01:18:29,893
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we have to deal with it. Yep, we certainly do.

1616
01:18:30,133 --> 01:18:31,852
Speaker 3: Great discussion. Really enjoyed that.

1617
01:18:32,293 --> 01:18:35,013
Speaker 2: And finally, when's another Uncharted coming out? I'd kill for

1618
01:18:35,053 --> 01:18:35,772
Speaker 2: another Uncharted?

1619
01:18:35,853 --> 01:18:36,572
Speaker 3: Did you love the movie?

1620
01:18:37,013 --> 01:18:38,333
Speaker 2: I know the movie was terrible.

1621
01:18:38,572 --> 01:18:41,812
Speaker 3: I love that movie. Oh so we din't even have

1622
01:18:41,853 --> 01:18:47,093
Speaker 3: a misstart right after three o'clock. Reminder, we got Dykingwood

1623
01:18:47,133 --> 01:18:51,253
Speaker 3: coming up in about half hour. Good afternoon, it is

1624
01:18:51,372 --> 01:18:54,052
Speaker 3: twelve past three, and today we are talking to Julie

1625
01:18:54,133 --> 01:18:57,812
Speaker 3: from About Health about healthy aging in Great Sleep. Julie

1626
01:18:58,173 --> 01:19:00,293
Speaker 3: tell Us what have you got that can help?

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01:19:01,093 --> 01:19:01,692
Speaker 9: Hi, Tyler.

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01:19:02,093 --> 01:19:05,372
Speaker 15: Look, we're all getting older. It's a privilege, really, that's

1629
01:19:05,412 --> 01:19:07,492
Speaker 15: the way I see it. But for some of us

1630
01:19:07,532 --> 01:19:10,812
Speaker 15: that can feel a bit daunting. But you know, getting

1631
01:19:10,812 --> 01:19:14,732
Speaker 15: older it doesn't have to mean wearing out. Certainly, you've

1632
01:19:14,772 --> 01:19:18,053
Speaker 15: got to pay better attention and look after ourselves, you know,

1633
01:19:18,173 --> 01:19:20,333
Speaker 15: a lot more than we did in our youth. But

1634
01:19:20,612 --> 01:19:22,572
Speaker 15: age alone, you know, that's not a reason just to

1635
01:19:22,612 --> 01:19:23,253
Speaker 15: stop doing.

1636
01:19:23,093 --> 01:19:23,812
Speaker 12: The things that we love.

1637
01:19:24,013 --> 01:19:26,253
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So what are some of the things we can

1638
01:19:26,333 --> 01:19:27,932
Speaker 3: do to take better care of ourselves?

1639
01:19:28,772 --> 01:19:28,892
Speaker 12: Oh?

1640
01:19:28,973 --> 01:19:29,572
Speaker 11: Look, you know it's a.

1641
01:19:29,572 --> 01:19:31,932
Speaker 15: Lot of the basic common sense things, but they really

1642
01:19:31,973 --> 01:19:33,812
Speaker 15: do make a big difference. And I think it's kind

1643
01:19:33,853 --> 01:19:35,692
Speaker 15: of you know, it's the habits. It's the things that

1644
01:19:35,772 --> 01:19:38,253
Speaker 15: we do or don't do on a regular basis that

1645
01:19:38,333 --> 01:19:42,012
Speaker 15: make the difference. So that's things like not smoking, exercising regularly,

1646
01:19:42,333 --> 01:19:45,293
Speaker 15: eating well most of the time, managing our stress levels,

1647
01:19:45,333 --> 01:19:49,333
Speaker 15: getting good sleep. So now that's you know, groundbreaking of course,

1648
01:19:49,612 --> 01:19:52,652
Speaker 15: but sometimes it's not easy to do all of those things,

1649
01:19:53,093 --> 01:19:55,452
Speaker 15: or for some of us, doing those things alone is

1650
01:19:55,652 --> 01:19:57,732
Speaker 15: you know, that's not enough, So we need to look

1651
01:19:57,772 --> 01:20:00,732
Speaker 15: at giving those extra nutritional boosts and of course that's

1652
01:20:00,772 --> 01:20:03,372
Speaker 15: where things like a good quality supplement can really help.

1653
01:20:03,612 --> 01:20:05,812
Speaker 3: You're not wrong, and of course we all know there

1654
01:20:05,853 --> 01:20:08,293
Speaker 3: are no magic pills that can replace all of them,

1655
01:20:08,492 --> 01:20:11,853
Speaker 3: sensible good choices like you say, July, eating well and exercising.

1656
01:20:11,933 --> 01:20:14,133
Speaker 3: But you do have some supplements that can help us

1657
01:20:14,173 --> 01:20:15,452
Speaker 3: along our aging journey.

1658
01:20:16,213 --> 01:20:19,692
Speaker 15: Yeah, absolutely, And you know there's nothing wrong with accepting

1659
01:20:19,732 --> 01:20:22,333
Speaker 15: a bit of help sometimes, right, And so the way

1660
01:20:22,452 --> 01:20:23,933
Speaker 15: I see it a matter of trying to do is

1661
01:20:24,013 --> 01:20:25,893
Speaker 15: many of those good things that you can do for

1662
01:20:25,933 --> 01:20:29,812
Speaker 15: yourself without getting overwhelmed. Yeah, yeah, I have a list.

1663
01:20:29,893 --> 01:20:33,012
Speaker 3: I like to take a box. That's how I roll handy.

1664
01:20:33,612 --> 01:20:35,532
Speaker 15: I've taken my supplements, I've done my this, I've done

1665
01:20:35,572 --> 01:20:37,293
Speaker 15: with that in a way I go carry on. Yes,

1666
01:20:38,293 --> 01:20:41,333
Speaker 15: it's a little insight into my personality there, but yeah,

1667
01:20:41,333 --> 01:20:43,333
Speaker 15: So we've got a number of products that are designed

1668
01:20:43,532 --> 01:20:45,892
Speaker 15: to support some of the common things that come along

1669
01:20:45,933 --> 01:20:48,852
Speaker 15: with aging, you know, whether that's the creaky joints, the

1670
01:20:48,933 --> 01:20:51,213
Speaker 15: blood pressure and cholesterol readings that get you know, the

1671
01:20:51,293 --> 01:20:54,293
Speaker 15: frowny face from the doctor, eye health challenges, you know,

1672
01:20:54,572 --> 01:20:57,293
Speaker 15: much much more. And there's thousands of key with Tyler

1673
01:20:57,333 --> 01:21:01,012
Speaker 15: that have been enjoying great health and active lifestyles thanks

1674
01:21:01,093 --> 01:21:02,613
Speaker 15: in part to our supplements.

1675
01:21:02,853 --> 01:21:05,532
Speaker 3: So to make this easy for your customers, you've put

1676
01:21:05,853 --> 01:21:08,692
Speaker 3: your three most popular supplements and one peg. N Ulye

1677
01:21:08,732 --> 01:21:11,013
Speaker 3: tell us what do we get in this pack and

1678
01:21:11,133 --> 01:21:12,972
Speaker 3: how will they help with our aging and sleep.

1679
01:21:13,532 --> 01:21:16,172
Speaker 15: Yeah, well, our customers have been buying them together anyway,

1680
01:21:16,293 --> 01:21:18,133
Speaker 15: so we thought, well, you know, they know what's going on,

1681
01:21:18,333 --> 01:21:20,372
Speaker 15: let's put it together to make it easier and also

1682
01:21:20,412 --> 01:21:23,532
Speaker 15: a little bit cheaper. So it's called the Healthy Aging

1683
01:21:23,732 --> 01:21:26,852
Speaker 15: and Deep Sleep Pack, and it does what it says. So,

1684
01:21:27,013 --> 01:21:28,772
Speaker 15: and then we've got the Lesser's Oil, which is our

1685
01:21:28,893 --> 01:21:32,333
Speaker 15: fish oil based supplement, so that supports your healthy joints,

1686
01:21:32,412 --> 01:21:34,772
Speaker 15: your heart, your brain, your eyes. We've got the res

1687
01:21:34,853 --> 01:21:38,412
Speaker 15: v Ultimate in there too, also helps with aging by

1688
01:21:38,452 --> 01:21:42,132
Speaker 15: protecting your cells from things like ox stative damage. Resve

1689
01:21:42,173 --> 01:21:44,492
Speaker 15: Ultimate is loved by our customers for the energy that

1690
01:21:44,572 --> 01:21:46,572
Speaker 15: they feel when they're taking it. It's also great for

1691
01:21:46,692 --> 01:21:49,612
Speaker 15: cardio vacular health, your joints and much more. And the

1692
01:21:49,732 --> 01:21:52,653
Speaker 15: third and final one in there is the element twelve magnesium.

1693
01:21:53,053 --> 01:21:55,333
Speaker 15: So magnesium is probably you know, I would say it's

1694
01:21:55,333 --> 01:21:57,652
Speaker 15: the most gentle thing to try first up, if you're

1695
01:21:57,692 --> 01:22:00,972
Speaker 15: looking to improve your sleep. It helps relax our nerves

1696
01:22:00,973 --> 01:22:02,692
Speaker 15: and our muscles, and it can really help you get

1697
01:22:02,732 --> 01:22:03,852
Speaker 15: that good quality deep.

1698
01:22:03,772 --> 01:22:07,293
Speaker 3: Sleep, absolutely, and protecting ourselves is clearly pretty important, Julie,

1699
01:22:07,333 --> 01:22:10,893
Speaker 3: but the benefits are not perhaps is obvious or tangible

1700
01:22:11,133 --> 01:22:12,492
Speaker 3: as say, getting enough sleep.

1701
01:22:13,293 --> 01:22:16,852
Speaker 15: Yeah, you know about that immediately, don't you. But if

1702
01:22:16,893 --> 01:22:19,932
Speaker 15: your cells are not functioning well, then you know you're

1703
01:22:19,933 --> 01:22:22,772
Speaker 15: going to be presented with health challenges at some point.

1704
01:22:23,133 --> 01:22:24,852
Speaker 15: It might be a bit later on that you notice it,

1705
01:22:24,933 --> 01:22:26,973
Speaker 15: but you know, things catch up. I guess it's the

1706
01:22:27,053 --> 01:22:27,933
Speaker 15: short story, isn't it.

1707
01:22:29,093 --> 01:22:29,412
Speaker 16: Sleep?

1708
01:22:29,572 --> 01:22:29,972
Speaker 3: Of course?

1709
01:22:30,213 --> 01:22:32,933
Speaker 15: Yeah, we know if we don't get enough sleep, and

1710
01:22:32,973 --> 01:22:35,852
Speaker 15: it feels pretty terrible to be honest, doesn't it. And

1711
01:22:35,933 --> 01:22:38,333
Speaker 15: it has a massive impact on our day. It's all

1712
01:22:38,492 --> 01:22:41,612
Speaker 15: linked though, you know. So if our cells are functioning better,

1713
01:22:41,732 --> 01:22:44,412
Speaker 15: then good sleep is more likely. And with good sleep,

1714
01:22:44,492 --> 01:22:47,572
Speaker 15: our whole body, our brain, our heart, our immune system,

1715
01:22:47,612 --> 01:22:49,772
Speaker 15: our mood, our energy, our focus, everything will.

1716
01:22:49,652 --> 01:22:50,213
Speaker 11: Work better too.

1717
01:22:50,572 --> 01:22:50,732
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1718
01:22:50,812 --> 01:22:52,973
Speaker 3: Good sleep is huge, and we've talked about it in

1719
01:22:53,053 --> 01:22:57,372
Speaker 3: the past, some sleep statistics, and without getting into details,

1720
01:22:57,412 --> 01:22:59,293
Speaker 3: it's safe to say there will be a big percentage

1721
01:22:59,333 --> 01:23:02,452
Speaker 3: of our listeners right now who have experienced some level

1722
01:23:02,572 --> 01:23:04,293
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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

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01:27:35,933 --> 01:27:40,013
Speaker 3: Us Talks EDB. It's twenty two past three and we

1823
01:27:40,133 --> 01:27:43,932
Speaker 3: welcome to the mat and Tyler afternoons on zb ACC

1824
01:27:44,093 --> 01:27:47,732
Speaker 3: head Mania, Stewart, Syday Mate, discuss the cricket.

1825
01:27:47,812 --> 01:27:50,492
Speaker 2: Good motion and thank you very much for the promotion.

1826
01:27:52,532 --> 01:27:54,692
Speaker 2: I'll be approving my own pay rise after this. We're

1827
01:27:54,732 --> 01:27:58,133
Speaker 2: in a difficult position now because Cain Williamson is on

1828
01:27:58,333 --> 01:28:01,173
Speaker 2: ninety four and that's that's a difficult time to discuss

1829
01:28:01,333 --> 01:28:03,973
Speaker 2: cricket because you don't want to compliment the man. You

1830
01:28:04,053 --> 01:28:07,652
Speaker 2: don't really want to mention anything about it because we'll

1831
01:28:07,692 --> 01:28:10,213
Speaker 2: be blamed. He doesn't make it. And this is something

1832
01:28:10,253 --> 01:28:12,133
Speaker 2: that the a SEC has faced a lot of criticism

1833
01:28:12,213 --> 01:28:16,412
Speaker 2: over the years about, is the level and frequency with

1834
01:28:16,492 --> 01:28:20,052
Speaker 2: which we dish out commentator's curses. So it is, it's funny.

1835
01:28:20,093 --> 01:28:22,412
Speaker 2: Once you get into the situation, the commentary becomes quite

1836
01:28:22,492 --> 01:28:25,053
Speaker 2: difficult because you don't want to say anything lest he's

1837
01:28:25,133 --> 01:28:27,572
Speaker 2: dismissed in the next ball and it's your fault. It's

1838
01:28:27,572 --> 01:28:31,253
Speaker 2: difficult to commentate a cricket fixure without ever complementing your team.

1839
01:28:31,853 --> 01:28:34,532
Speaker 2: So Ma and I, we're leading by four hundred and

1840
01:28:34,612 --> 01:28:38,213
Speaker 2: twenty four runs. How far do you think we'll push that? Yeah,

1841
01:28:38,293 --> 01:28:40,812
Speaker 2: I mean obviously five hundred's the first thing that comes

1842
01:28:40,853 --> 01:28:42,652
Speaker 2: into your mind. But you're going to remember this is

1843
01:28:42,732 --> 01:28:45,213
Speaker 2: day three and they're going to play till about seven

1844
01:28:45,253 --> 01:28:49,133
Speaker 2: o'clock tonight because of the rain delay. And this English team,

1845
01:28:49,173 --> 01:28:50,652
Speaker 2: I mean, if ever there was a team that could

1846
01:28:50,692 --> 01:28:53,933
Speaker 2: chase down five hundred, it's probably this team. So I

1847
01:28:54,093 --> 01:28:56,492
Speaker 2: wonder if these boys are going to try and bat

1848
01:28:56,572 --> 01:28:59,293
Speaker 2: for time as opposed to a particular score. I mean,

1849
01:28:59,372 --> 01:29:01,412
Speaker 2: you look, we're two twenty for three in this inning,

1850
01:29:01,532 --> 01:29:03,452
Speaker 2: so we've got plenty in the hutch and that two

1851
01:29:03,532 --> 01:29:05,772
Speaker 2: twenty for three you're going to remember is will ow'

1852
01:29:05,853 --> 01:29:08,253
Speaker 2: rourke who was a night watchman. So it's really too

1853
01:29:08,452 --> 01:29:11,093
Speaker 2: twenty for two. So I think they're going to try

1854
01:29:11,133 --> 01:29:13,492
Speaker 2: and stay out there for as long as possible. And

1855
01:29:13,572 --> 01:29:17,612
Speaker 2: there's of course the interesting case of being Tim Soudy's

1856
01:29:17,652 --> 01:29:20,852
Speaker 2: last game. Yeah, currently sitting on ninety eight sixes. Yes,

1857
01:29:20,973 --> 01:29:25,013
Speaker 2: so if we declare and don't allow Tim Southey in

1858
01:29:25,053 --> 01:29:27,612
Speaker 2: his last game to try and hit two sexes, which

1859
01:29:27,692 --> 01:29:31,732
Speaker 2: sounds crazy and juvenile and outside of the spirit of

1860
01:29:32,293 --> 01:29:35,173
Speaker 2: Test cricket. But if we don't allow that, I'll be furious. No, well,

1861
01:29:35,213 --> 01:29:37,972
Speaker 2: it's own patriotic, isn't it. I mean he is one

1862
01:29:38,013 --> 01:29:40,613
Speaker 2: of the record as we see another sex there Williamson

1863
01:29:40,612 --> 01:29:42,333
Speaker 2: and has brought up the ton? Is that the ton?

1864
01:29:42,652 --> 01:29:45,492
Speaker 2: The time we've done it with a sex and that's

1865
01:29:45,532 --> 01:29:46,452
Speaker 2: really led us off the hook.

1866
01:29:46,492 --> 01:29:48,933
Speaker 3: We can now talk about it partnership.

1867
01:29:49,133 --> 01:29:54,293
Speaker 2: That's century thirty three for Cain Williamson, I believe, And

1868
01:29:55,213 --> 01:29:57,812
Speaker 2: just how much do we love that man? We can't

1869
01:29:57,812 --> 01:30:01,293
Speaker 2: love him anymore? Every innings he gives us something to

1870
01:30:01,372 --> 01:30:04,652
Speaker 2: love more and a very subdued, classically subdued celebration. The

1871
01:30:05,532 --> 01:30:08,173
Speaker 2: straight back on let's get back into it. But you're right, Tim,

1872
01:30:08,692 --> 01:30:11,053
Speaker 2: I think if we see Tim Southy come out in

1873
01:30:11,093 --> 01:30:13,172
Speaker 2: the next couple of workouts, that sort of an indication

1874
01:30:13,333 --> 01:30:16,253
Speaker 2: that we're about to But he because like you said,

1875
01:30:16,253 --> 01:30:19,652
Speaker 2: he's on ninety eight career test sixes. If he goes

1876
01:30:19,732 --> 01:30:22,492
Speaker 2: to one hundred, he will then be third all time

1877
01:30:22,973 --> 01:30:27,333
Speaker 2: behind Ben Stokes and Bas McCallum, both in the ground. Yeah,

1878
01:30:27,732 --> 01:30:32,333
Speaker 2: but also he isn't a batsman, so his percentage of

1879
01:30:32,412 --> 01:30:36,173
Speaker 2: sixes to balls faced is astronomical compared to everyone else. Well,

1880
01:30:36,173 --> 01:30:38,133
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous. It's when you're grown up. As a kid,

1881
01:30:38,173 --> 01:30:40,293
Speaker 2: all you want to do is bowl fast and hit sixes,

1882
01:30:40,692 --> 01:30:43,532
Speaker 2: and that's exactly what he's done in his career. But

1883
01:30:43,893 --> 01:30:46,253
Speaker 2: as a New Zealander sometimes we've wished that he hadn't

1884
01:30:46,253 --> 01:30:48,253
Speaker 2: gone out and just tried to smash sixes and maybe

1885
01:30:48,293 --> 01:30:50,772
Speaker 2: stuck around at the crease a little bit longer. I

1886
01:30:50,812 --> 01:30:53,652
Speaker 2: think he averages about seventeen balls and innings something like that.

1887
01:30:53,732 --> 01:30:55,892
Speaker 2: But I think that's that's a hangover from the bas

1888
01:30:56,173 --> 01:30:58,612
Speaker 2: era as well, because Beas just told the tail enders, look,

1889
01:30:58,692 --> 01:31:00,973
Speaker 2: you suck at batting. You're not a good better, so

1890
01:31:01,093 --> 01:31:03,013
Speaker 2: go out there and just have a heave. You know,

1891
01:31:03,093 --> 01:31:05,213
Speaker 2: you might as well score twelve quick runs and then

1892
01:31:05,253 --> 01:31:08,772
Speaker 2: get out. Speaking of he a heave came Limbs just

1893
01:31:08,772 --> 01:31:10,612
Speaker 2: followed up that six with a four to move to

1894
01:31:10,853 --> 01:31:15,892
Speaker 2: one hundred and four. So look, we're looking very good.

1895
01:31:15,933 --> 01:31:18,372
Speaker 2: But as you say, England, with their bears ball ways,

1896
01:31:18,492 --> 01:31:19,932
Speaker 2: we want to have at least five hundred on them.

1897
01:31:20,013 --> 01:31:22,932
Speaker 2: I do wonder if perhaps you know, there's been rumors

1898
01:31:23,173 --> 01:31:26,172
Speaker 2: coming from around the country at various flash golf courses

1899
01:31:26,253 --> 01:31:29,372
Speaker 2: that these boys, this English team have been really enjoying

1900
01:31:29,412 --> 01:31:32,133
Speaker 2: their golf over the last few weeks. I've heard rumors

1901
01:31:32,173 --> 01:31:34,412
Speaker 2: that their target each game has been to be done

1902
01:31:34,532 --> 01:31:37,692
Speaker 2: by the third day. I did hear in that last

1903
01:31:37,732 --> 01:31:39,572
Speaker 2: test that they had a tea time booked on the

1904
01:31:39,612 --> 01:31:42,852
Speaker 2: fifth day. So I just wonder if maybe there's a

1905
01:31:42,893 --> 01:31:46,253
Speaker 2: bit of fatigue sitting in in the English team. Yeah, well,

1906
01:31:46,293 --> 01:31:48,532
Speaker 2: we've paid the deposit and you can't get that back

1907
01:31:48,572 --> 01:31:51,892
Speaker 2: at the flash golf courses so much. And I Stewart

1908
01:31:51,933 --> 01:31:53,772
Speaker 2: and if you see a camel when you were watching

1909
01:31:54,133 --> 01:31:56,293
Speaker 2: the footage that was sent down there by the ACC

1910
01:31:56,452 --> 01:32:01,053
Speaker 2: to celebrate Tim Southey in his final game. He's known

1911
01:32:01,093 --> 01:32:02,652
Speaker 2: as the sexy camel, and I think it's been a

1912
01:32:02,692 --> 01:32:05,772
Speaker 2: great celebration for him. Yeah, ugly camel. We've had a

1913
01:32:05,772 --> 01:32:08,093
Speaker 2: lot of feedback on the camel the main of the

1914
01:32:08,333 --> 01:32:11,012
Speaker 2: animals underneath its neck as opposed to on the top,

1915
01:32:11,173 --> 01:32:14,532
Speaker 2: and camels actually don't have top teeth, but this one does.

1916
01:32:14,652 --> 01:32:14,852
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1917
01:32:14,933 --> 01:32:16,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've got a weird to pay on its

1918
01:32:16,452 --> 01:32:16,972
Speaker 2: hump as well.

1919
01:32:17,013 --> 01:32:18,692
Speaker 3: But anyway, come on the.

1920
01:32:18,732 --> 01:32:20,133
Speaker 2: Black Caps, give the taste the kiwi.

1921
01:32:20,253 --> 01:32:22,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, good to see you mate. It is twenty seven

1922
01:32:22,893 --> 01:32:25,133
Speaker 3: past three. Headlines coming up. Then we're going to catch

1923
01:32:25,253 --> 01:32:28,652
Speaker 3: up with Die Henward. Looking forward to that. You listen

1924
01:32:28,692 --> 01:32:30,092
Speaker 3: to Matton Tyler back in a moment.

1925
01:32:33,133 --> 01:32:35,452
Speaker 1: Jus talks, they'd be headlines.

1926
01:32:35,093 --> 01:32:38,213
Speaker 14: With blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble with a blue bubble.

1927
01:32:38,652 --> 01:32:41,732
Speaker 14: Bad weather has delayed and diverted a number of flights

1928
01:32:41,893 --> 01:32:44,852
Speaker 14: across the country, many in or out of Queenstown and

1929
01:32:45,093 --> 01:32:49,812
Speaker 14: several into Wellington. Stat sun Z saying domestic affares rose

1930
01:32:49,893 --> 01:32:53,933
Speaker 14: nearly eleven percent in November on the month before, and

1931
01:32:53,973 --> 01:32:59,092
Speaker 14: accommodation also went up almost seven percent. Relief for eighteen

1932
01:32:59,213 --> 01:33:03,333
Speaker 14: thousand Woolwards workers with a new collective agreement giving minimum

1933
01:33:03,372 --> 01:33:06,213
Speaker 14: wage increases over the next two years and a new

1934
01:33:06,372 --> 01:33:10,013
Speaker 14: multi skilled rate. A warrants out for the arrest of

1935
01:33:10,093 --> 01:33:12,812
Speaker 14: a twenty eight year old suspected of murder after a

1936
01:33:12,893 --> 01:33:16,973
Speaker 14: Lower Hut shooting last week. Regarded as armed and dangerous.

1937
01:33:17,333 --> 01:33:21,492
Speaker 14: Police have named Wipu Hada Carpane wanted to after thirty

1938
01:33:21,572 --> 01:33:24,973
Speaker 14: nine year old Albert Enoka died at Seton Street in

1939
01:33:25,133 --> 01:33:29,732
Speaker 14: a gang related incident. The Department of Conservations asking for

1940
01:33:29,853 --> 01:33:33,972
Speaker 14: public feedback on Fuckerpappa Holding's limited application for a ten

1941
01:33:34,093 --> 01:33:37,333
Speaker 14: year lease on Mount Rupehu to take over the ski

1942
01:33:37,492 --> 01:33:42,932
Speaker 14: area and six buildings. Auckland Hospital staff criticized nightmare new

1943
01:33:43,333 --> 01:33:48,012
Speaker 14: ninety five million dollar IT system causing treatment delays. Find

1944
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Speaker 14: out more at enzid Herald Premium. Back to Matt Eathan

1945
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Speaker 14: Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty nine to four.

1947
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Speaker 3: Because it's our last week, we're introducing a new segment

1948
01:33:58,133 --> 01:34:01,892
Speaker 3: for this week only Great New Zealanders of Christmas series,

1949
01:34:02,133 --> 01:34:05,532
Speaker 3: and today we are delighted to welcome and Die Henward,

1950
01:34:05,652 --> 01:34:10,333
Speaker 3: comedian author, documentary make and all around good key. We

1951
01:34:10,452 --> 01:34:12,213
Speaker 3: get a die, Yeah Die.

1952
01:34:12,333 --> 01:34:15,973
Speaker 2: How did you guys beat Olympians International Rugby players, politicians

1953
01:34:16,013 --> 01:34:18,933
Speaker 2: and warriors in the six hole Ambrose format at the

1954
01:34:19,053 --> 01:34:22,133
Speaker 2: Royal Auckland and the Grange Golf Club. How the hell

1955
01:34:22,253 --> 01:34:23,093
Speaker 2: did you win that one?

1956
01:34:23,213 --> 01:34:23,333
Speaker 5: Die?

1957
01:34:24,412 --> 01:34:28,093
Speaker 6: Well, we were You say that the politicians would be

1958
01:34:28,652 --> 01:34:31,293
Speaker 6: easy beats, but they were the team we were directly

1959
01:34:31,412 --> 01:34:34,532
Speaker 6: up against, and we had politicians from all over the

1960
01:34:34,612 --> 01:34:40,173
Speaker 6: political spectrum, from right to far right. We had John Key,

1961
01:34:41,133 --> 01:34:45,892
Speaker 6: David Seymour and Max Key, John Key and Max lovely

1962
01:34:46,013 --> 01:34:52,532
Speaker 6: guys and phenomenal golfers. David Seymour. I was really intrigued

1963
01:34:52,612 --> 01:34:55,013
Speaker 6: just to see how he swings a golf club and

1964
01:34:55,173 --> 01:34:58,013
Speaker 6: having done Dancing with the Stars with him, he was

1965
01:34:58,093 --> 01:35:03,252
Speaker 6: surprisingly more fluid than I was expecting. Yeah, but basically

1966
01:35:04,372 --> 01:35:08,972
Speaker 6: what we did is Jeremy Wells myself combined our powers,

1967
01:35:09,253 --> 01:35:11,772
Speaker 6: threw them away and let Mark Richardson do all.

1968
01:35:14,732 --> 01:35:19,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something about an international sports person that makes

1969
01:35:19,492 --> 01:35:21,732
Speaker 2: him very good at golf as well. No matter who

1970
01:35:21,812 --> 01:35:23,652
Speaker 2: you are, you can be a funny guy that you are.

1971
01:35:23,812 --> 01:35:26,852
Speaker 2: You can be you know, the sort of zombie that

1972
01:35:26,893 --> 01:35:30,972
Speaker 2: sits beside Hillary Barry on a couch somewhere. But when

1973
01:35:31,013 --> 01:35:36,013
Speaker 2: it comes to sports, they cross code, don't they.

1974
01:35:36,933 --> 01:35:37,093
Speaker 5: Oh?

1975
01:35:37,333 --> 01:35:43,572
Speaker 6: Absolutely, they especially the cricketers and okay, sports sports people

1976
01:35:44,372 --> 01:35:49,213
Speaker 6: really that ingrain competitive streak sinks in, you know, like

1977
01:35:49,412 --> 01:35:52,372
Speaker 6: Mark Richardson had had a bit of a not of

1978
01:35:52,532 --> 01:35:55,013
Speaker 6: chakra off the tee, but he hit it out of

1979
01:35:55,133 --> 01:35:58,612
Speaker 6: bounds and then he just dialed in and didn't have

1980
01:35:58,732 --> 01:36:02,372
Speaker 6: a bad shot after that. Whereas I got there early,

1981
01:36:02,452 --> 01:36:04,772
Speaker 6: I was looking. I was looking for Jerry. He was

1982
01:36:04,853 --> 01:36:09,412
Speaker 6: on the range and you'd know this, Matt. I thought

1983
01:36:09,532 --> 01:36:13,933
Speaker 6: Jerry was a very stiff mid sixties man when I

1984
01:36:14,053 --> 01:36:17,652
Speaker 6: saw him from afar, He's got a very stiff gate

1985
01:36:18,372 --> 01:36:20,772
Speaker 6: about him. And then up close I saw him and

1986
01:36:21,612 --> 01:36:25,412
Speaker 6: he was really warming up and he played some amazing golf.

1987
01:36:25,572 --> 01:36:29,412
Speaker 6: So I'd say I didn't let the team down, but

1988
01:36:29,532 --> 01:36:30,293
Speaker 6: I was very much.

1989
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Speaker 9: The vibe guy.

1990
01:36:31,812 --> 01:36:34,372
Speaker 2: But did Jeremy have some drinks on the course.

1991
01:36:35,293 --> 01:36:40,333
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was running quite a timed operation on it

1992
01:36:40,452 --> 01:36:43,812
Speaker 6: as well. His caddy was mainly trying to keep him

1993
01:36:43,812 --> 01:36:46,492
Speaker 6: I think between point six and point eight on the

1994
01:36:46,572 --> 01:36:51,213
Speaker 6: breastlider the entire time. He wasn't concerned about clubs. He

1995
01:36:51,372 --> 01:36:54,053
Speaker 6: was concerned about Okay, we go two beers, then a

1996
01:36:54,133 --> 01:36:57,812
Speaker 6: hole off, then one more bear. He's keeping him at

1997
01:36:57,853 --> 01:37:00,333
Speaker 6: at a perfect level and how it worked.

1998
01:37:00,572 --> 01:37:02,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, you won who had the drive power? Die, I

1999
01:37:03,013 --> 01:37:04,612
Speaker 3: take it you would have taken that on. You know,

2000
01:37:04,812 --> 01:37:07,093
Speaker 3: Jerry's got the reach, but you're a powerful man.

2001
01:37:07,973 --> 01:37:13,013
Speaker 6: Oh that's the thing. I have sort of quite a

2002
01:37:13,093 --> 01:37:17,452
Speaker 6: buff Winning the Pooh type for Zeke and I a

2003
01:37:17,732 --> 01:37:20,492
Speaker 6: low center of gravity, but I can really smack it.

2004
01:37:20,933 --> 01:37:23,253
Speaker 6: And the best thing is a lot of the people

2005
01:37:23,333 --> 01:37:26,933
Speaker 6: standing around the t box they weren't They didn't know

2006
01:37:27,053 --> 01:37:29,532
Speaker 6: a lot about golf, so all they cared was if

2007
01:37:29,572 --> 01:37:33,013
Speaker 6: you hit the leather off it. So I hit my

2008
01:37:33,333 --> 01:37:35,532
Speaker 6: one of my drives. I think a couple of holes

2009
01:37:35,893 --> 01:37:40,772
Speaker 6: over over an entire forest of trees, and they probably

2010
01:37:40,812 --> 01:37:43,612
Speaker 6: got the biggest applause of the whole afternoons.

2011
01:37:43,412 --> 01:37:46,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one kids as straighted as and like Winnie

2012
01:37:46,973 --> 01:37:48,652
Speaker 2: the Pooh, you play with no pants on as well.

2013
01:37:48,933 --> 01:37:51,293
Speaker 2: Hey yeah, Die? What was your highlight for What was

2014
01:37:52,253 --> 01:37:54,132
Speaker 2: highlight for you in twenty twenty four, Die.

2015
01:37:55,173 --> 01:37:57,253
Speaker 6: I like for me in twenty twenty five, I'd have

2016
01:37:57,412 --> 01:38:01,973
Speaker 6: to say was making this cancer documentary and putting a

2017
01:38:02,053 --> 01:38:06,293
Speaker 6: book out because it was something that was obviously very

2018
01:38:06,372 --> 01:38:10,253
Speaker 6: close to me. I'm still going through a journey with cancer,

2019
01:38:10,612 --> 01:38:13,333
Speaker 6: but it was unlike sort of just making stuff that's

2020
01:38:13,372 --> 01:38:17,372
Speaker 6: purely comedy. That's me talking rubbish. This actually has turned

2021
01:38:17,412 --> 01:38:21,532
Speaker 6: out to become quite a poignant sort of cancer resource

2022
01:38:21,652 --> 01:38:23,492
Speaker 6: for people who are on a similar trial or have

2023
01:38:24,173 --> 01:38:27,133
Speaker 6: loved ones going through it. And the feedback and love

2024
01:38:27,253 --> 01:38:30,693
Speaker 6: I've got from all sections in New Zealand has massively

2025
01:38:31,293 --> 01:38:34,173
Speaker 6: helped me on my journey, and I have to say

2026
01:38:34,253 --> 01:38:37,013
Speaker 6: it's the bit of work I'm most proud of.

2027
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Speaker 2: Well, I can thoroughly recommend your book and that documentary.

2028
01:38:41,372 --> 01:38:45,852
Speaker 2: It's phenomenal stuff quality but will also rip your heart out.

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Speaker 6: Oh thanks mate, And yeah, it was so nice being

2030
01:38:52,053 --> 01:38:55,452
Speaker 6: able to just get it out there. And also alongside that,

2031
01:38:55,973 --> 01:38:58,173
Speaker 6: just been traveling around New Zealand, going back to the

2032
01:38:58,893 --> 01:39:01,293
Speaker 6: old school roots because, as you said at the beginning,

2033
01:39:01,412 --> 01:39:05,772
Speaker 6: media isn't an interesting situation. There's a few less TV

2034
01:39:05,933 --> 01:39:08,772
Speaker 6: bits and bobs than I normally do, so I've been

2035
01:39:08,812 --> 01:39:11,333
Speaker 6: doing a lot of live shows like the old days

2036
01:39:11,452 --> 01:39:12,732
Speaker 6: and it's been awesome.

2037
01:39:13,013 --> 01:39:16,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, just on the feedback that you got, Die, I

2038
01:39:16,253 --> 01:39:18,173
Speaker 3: imagine for a lot of families out there dealing with

2039
01:39:18,293 --> 01:39:19,892
Speaker 3: it it can be a bit of a lonely journey.

2040
01:39:19,933 --> 01:39:22,652
Speaker 3: Has that been nice to you know, share your own

2041
01:39:22,772 --> 01:39:25,173
Speaker 3: journey and get that feedback and say, hey, we're not

2042
01:39:25,293 --> 01:39:27,893
Speaker 3: alone in this. We you know, there's other people that

2043
01:39:28,013 --> 01:39:29,812
Speaker 3: we can learn in our own journey.

2044
01:39:30,652 --> 01:39:35,172
Speaker 6: Oh, Blie is so right, mate, because it's it's weirdly

2045
01:39:35,452 --> 01:39:39,652
Speaker 6: is something that is a very lonely journey. However, so

2046
01:39:39,812 --> 01:39:42,253
Speaker 6: many people are affected by it, you know, like it's

2047
01:39:43,013 --> 01:39:46,933
Speaker 6: a disease that's everyone knows someone who's going through it.

2048
01:39:47,013 --> 01:39:52,293
Speaker 6: And the best feedback I've had is wives of your

2049
01:39:52,372 --> 01:39:55,532
Speaker 6: classic ki we males who are going through cancer. They

2050
01:39:55,652 --> 01:40:00,173
Speaker 6: don't really talk about their feelings and why it's get

2051
01:40:00,253 --> 01:40:02,412
Speaker 6: in touch with me going hey, now I know what

2052
01:40:02,612 --> 01:40:05,333
Speaker 6: my husband's going through because he keeps it tight lipped.

2053
01:40:05,772 --> 01:40:09,812
Speaker 6: He keeps stoic for me and the family. So being

2054
01:40:09,853 --> 01:40:12,812
Speaker 6: able to provide a bit of understanding. And also every

2055
01:40:12,933 --> 01:40:16,052
Speaker 6: day I'm getting emails from people all over the country

2056
01:40:16,133 --> 01:40:19,412
Speaker 6: and that's amazing connecting with them so now, but I'm

2057
01:40:19,492 --> 01:40:20,293
Speaker 6: super proud of that.

2058
01:40:20,612 --> 01:40:23,572
Speaker 3: So we are loving this chat. If you just hold there,

2059
01:40:23,612 --> 01:40:25,772
Speaker 3: we're going to pick it up very shortly. We're talking

2060
01:40:25,812 --> 01:40:28,213
Speaker 3: to Die Henwood as part of our Great New Zealanders

2061
01:40:28,492 --> 01:40:32,133
Speaker 3: of Christmas series. It is twenty three to four, back

2062
01:40:32,173 --> 01:40:34,372
Speaker 3: with Die very shortly here on News Talks 'DB.

2063
01:40:36,053 --> 01:40:39,013
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh eight

2064
01:40:39,133 --> 01:40:42,693
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty eight madd Eath and Tyler Adams afternoons

2065
01:40:42,853 --> 01:40:43,652
Speaker 1: News Talks B.

2066
01:40:44,213 --> 01:40:47,012
Speaker 3: It is twenty to four. We're back with Die Henwood, comedian,

2067
01:40:47,173 --> 01:40:49,452
Speaker 3: author and all around great kiwi as part of our

2068
01:40:49,532 --> 01:40:51,652
Speaker 3: Great New Zealanders of Christmas series.

2069
01:40:51,973 --> 01:40:54,572
Speaker 2: Now, you and I are big fans of philosophy. We

2070
01:40:54,652 --> 01:40:57,213
Speaker 2: punish each other quite regularly with it. What piece of

2071
01:40:57,293 --> 01:41:00,053
Speaker 2: feedback or advice has resonated most with you this year?

2072
01:41:02,532 --> 01:41:03,092
Speaker 11: It's weird.

2073
01:41:03,652 --> 01:41:07,612
Speaker 6: It's the piece of feedback that's always there and is

2074
01:41:07,732 --> 01:41:12,492
Speaker 6: the hardest thing to do because every cancer patient goes

2075
01:41:13,013 --> 01:41:15,932
Speaker 6: you know, the bit that you read that you passed

2076
01:41:16,013 --> 01:41:19,213
Speaker 6: on and then I'm trying to do is the living

2077
01:41:19,452 --> 01:41:23,692
Speaker 6: at the moment bit, right, because with when you're going

2078
01:41:23,732 --> 01:41:26,572
Speaker 6: through cancer treatment, say you're doing chemo every second week

2079
01:41:26,732 --> 01:41:30,732
Speaker 6: or something, that week off when you actually feel vaguely

2080
01:41:30,893 --> 01:41:35,173
Speaker 6: okay can feel like so such a long time. So

2081
01:41:35,333 --> 01:41:38,173
Speaker 6: if you can just live in the moment, which is

2082
01:41:38,333 --> 01:41:43,492
Speaker 6: the hardest thing, and my sort of piece advice for

2083
01:41:43,853 --> 01:41:46,093
Speaker 6: trying to live in the moment is to sit down,

2084
01:41:46,333 --> 01:41:49,932
Speaker 6: just close your eyes and try and hear every single

2085
01:41:50,133 --> 01:41:52,772
Speaker 6: sound that you can. And that's really worked for me.

2086
01:41:53,612 --> 01:41:56,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's something and it sounds tripe for

2087
01:41:56,093 --> 01:41:58,213
Speaker 2: someone that isn't going through what you're going, but that's

2088
01:41:58,532 --> 01:42:03,253
Speaker 2: that's just true for everyone and everyone because everyone's everything's

2089
01:42:03,253 --> 01:42:06,532
Speaker 2: fine out, everything's everything's here for a short amount of time,

2090
01:42:07,133 --> 01:42:09,053
Speaker 2: and so yeah, if you can take a sick in

2091
01:42:09,173 --> 01:42:11,693
Speaker 2: to enjoy what is here, it's phenomenal.

2092
01:42:12,133 --> 01:42:16,173
Speaker 6: Hey, we also just quickly everyone Everyone thinks of their

2093
01:42:16,253 --> 01:42:19,452
Speaker 6: time on this planet in years, like in terms of

2094
01:42:19,772 --> 01:42:21,933
Speaker 6: I'm on it for so many years. But if you

2095
01:42:22,053 --> 01:42:24,532
Speaker 6: do that, all you're comparing it to is the time

2096
01:42:24,612 --> 01:42:27,732
Speaker 6: you're not on the planet, which is infinity. So it

2097
01:42:27,853 --> 01:42:30,772
Speaker 6: doesn't matter if you're here for a short time or

2098
01:42:31,053 --> 01:42:33,412
Speaker 6: no matter how long you're here, it's always a short time.

2099
01:42:34,452 --> 01:42:37,092
Speaker 6: Just enjoy today, that's all it matters.

2100
01:42:37,253 --> 01:42:40,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, nice, he said, So what does Christmas look like

2101
01:42:40,333 --> 01:42:41,333
Speaker 2: for the Henwood family.

2102
01:42:42,013 --> 01:42:45,053
Speaker 6: Oh, it's a bit of a good looking Christmas. My

2103
01:42:45,213 --> 01:42:49,772
Speaker 6: mom comes up from Wellington. She bases herself pe Har,

2104
01:42:49,893 --> 01:42:53,492
Speaker 6: beautiful spot in west Auckland. My wife's family is sort

2105
01:42:53,532 --> 01:42:56,852
Speaker 6: of West Auckland as well. So we just we just

2106
01:42:57,333 --> 01:43:00,972
Speaker 6: trapes our way through the way Tuckertes eating good food

2107
01:43:01,053 --> 01:43:04,333
Speaker 6: and end up aut it, end up about it pe

2108
01:43:04,492 --> 01:43:07,452
Speaker 6: Har doing a fine a little present unwrapping with the

2109
01:43:07,572 --> 01:43:11,452
Speaker 6: kids and a and a big turkey feed. Then I

2110
01:43:11,612 --> 01:43:15,692
Speaker 6: inevitably I can't stand Christmas pudding, so I just douse

2111
01:43:15,772 --> 01:43:17,572
Speaker 6: it with too much brandy and try and burn the

2112
01:43:17,612 --> 01:43:18,093
Speaker 6: house down.

2113
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Speaker 3: It's a good time.

2114
01:43:19,893 --> 01:43:21,452
Speaker 2: You got some of the plug die Have you got

2115
01:43:21,492 --> 01:43:23,452
Speaker 2: somebody to plug tour next year? I understand?

2116
01:43:24,213 --> 01:43:27,372
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, for next year. I've been trying to do

2117
01:43:27,492 --> 01:43:29,892
Speaker 6: it to her, which has taken me so long between

2118
01:43:29,973 --> 01:43:33,852
Speaker 6: cancer treatments. It's my die Hard show. You saw bits

2119
01:43:33,893 --> 01:43:37,693
Speaker 6: and bobs of it in the in my cancer documentary.

2120
01:43:37,692 --> 01:43:41,293
Speaker 6: And I'm going to Taranaki and Apo with the Hawks Bay.

2121
01:43:41,293 --> 01:43:43,492
Speaker 6: Actually I'm over in Hastings and down at in the

2122
01:43:43,612 --> 01:43:46,732
Speaker 6: cargo and you can go to laugh with die dot

2123
01:43:46,812 --> 01:43:48,173
Speaker 6: com for all the details.

2124
01:43:48,692 --> 01:43:52,173
Speaker 2: Well, that leads nicely into the next question, best Christmas movie,

2125
01:43:52,253 --> 01:43:53,093
Speaker 2: Best Christmas song.

2126
01:43:54,572 --> 01:44:00,572
Speaker 6: It's I mean, I've never been a big Christmas songs person.

2127
01:44:00,933 --> 01:44:05,772
Speaker 6: For me, Merry Christmas brackets. I hope you don't fight

2128
01:44:05,853 --> 01:44:10,052
Speaker 6: tonight by the Ramones as a Cracker of a June.

2129
01:44:10,173 --> 01:44:13,492
Speaker 6: I love Pogue's fairy Tale of New York, which is

2130
01:44:13,652 --> 01:44:16,372
Speaker 6: that's just that's the one that put on at the

2131
01:44:16,492 --> 01:44:20,532
Speaker 6: end of Christmas when everyone's a bit sozzled and once

2132
01:44:20,532 --> 01:44:22,372
Speaker 6: they have a single wong and listen to the words.

2133
01:44:22,652 --> 01:44:28,052
Speaker 6: And the Christmas movie is the animated version of The Grinch,

2134
01:44:28,093 --> 01:44:32,652
Speaker 6: who came out twenty eighteen and just my kids, both

2135
01:44:32,692 --> 01:44:35,452
Speaker 6: of them loved it, and that's the one that we

2136
01:44:35,612 --> 01:44:38,892
Speaker 6: tend to watch two or three times in the lead

2137
01:44:38,973 --> 01:44:41,692
Speaker 6: up to Christmas, and it puts me in the mood.

2138
01:44:42,133 --> 01:44:44,053
Speaker 2: You like that one over the Gymas? You like that

2139
01:44:44,133 --> 01:44:46,213
Speaker 2: one over the Ron Howard Jim Carrey one.

2140
01:44:47,173 --> 01:44:51,372
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do. Actually, I don't know. I never gelled

2141
01:44:51,412 --> 01:44:53,293
Speaker 6: with the Jim Carrey one.

2142
01:44:54,293 --> 01:44:55,732
Speaker 2: Well, I see both of them in the top ten

2143
01:44:55,812 --> 01:45:00,333
Speaker 2: on Netflix. So people love the Grinch and but the

2144
01:45:00,412 --> 01:45:07,892
Speaker 2: State of the top ten on Medpho it's a very

2145
01:45:07,933 --> 01:45:13,013
Speaker 2: good poin. Okay, finally you got a message for New

2146
01:45:13,093 --> 01:45:14,452
Speaker 2: Zealand for twenty twenty five day.

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Speaker 6: Look, my message to the whole of New Zealand, and

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Speaker 6: it needs to spread through the world, is we need

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Speaker 6: to bring a little bit more love to proceedings and something.

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Speaker 6: I think we should all bring back the civilized disagreement

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Speaker 6: where you can just have a conversation with someone, argue

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Speaker 6: a point, and then have a hug at the end

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Speaker 6: of it. We don't need to flame war each other.

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Speaker 6: Who cares if people believe different things, we can all

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Speaker 6: live under the same tent. And I mean I grew

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Speaker 6: up with My parents had friends on completely the opposite

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Speaker 6: side of the political spectrum, but they were best mates.

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Speaker 6: They'd have a few wines, have a spracking argument, and

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Speaker 6: then we'll be cooking bacon sandwiches together the next morning.

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Speaker 6: So civilized disagreements, bring them back and spread a bit

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Speaker 6: more loveless.

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Speaker 2: If you die, you're a great New Zealander. Thanks so

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01:46:10,133 --> 01:46:12,133
Speaker 2: much for talking to us. Have a great Christmas and

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Speaker 2: look forward to hang out with you in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 6: I love you all, celebrate well and take care.

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Speaker 3: Well. What a great New Zealand to die him with is? Eh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a fantastic individual. And life Live and Let

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Speaker 2: Die a documentary. It's in three parts. It's fantastic and

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Speaker 2: you can watch it now on three Now. Just go

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Speaker 2: and check that out. All three episodes are available came

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Speaker 2: out in September this year, but yeah, Evergreen, you could

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01:46:41,372 --> 01:46:45,213
Speaker 2: watch that anytime and got a text through that came

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Speaker 2: through here. Hi, boys, I read Dye's book when I

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Speaker 2: was diagnosed with prostate cancer and in between the operation

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Speaker 2: to remove it and radiation. Please pass on to him

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Speaker 2: that it was the best thing I could have done

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Speaker 2: for me personally in reading his book, and that I'm

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Speaker 2: an awe of him. His story was inspirational help me immensely,

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Speaker 2: and I've passed it on to many other people. Thanks mate.

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Speaker 3: Love that. And just a reminder, die as the first

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Speaker 3: of our great New Zealanders of Christmas series that we'll

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Speaker 3: be doing all week this week because it's our last

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Speaker 3: week and it's close to Christmas.

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Speaker 2: He was talking about The Grinches being his favorite Christmas movie.

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Speaker 2: There's a brand new Christmas movie out at the moment

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Speaker 2: called Red One that I watched it out on Amazon

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Speaker 2: Prime Video and it stars The Rock and Chris Evans

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Speaker 2: and it's really good.

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: It's got the lowest rating Rotten Tomatoes. The critics absolutely

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Speaker 2: hate it, but as is happening more and more these days,

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Speaker 2: critics hate movies, but the people love it. So it's

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Speaker 2: got a ninety five percent rating by the people that

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Speaker 2: watch it, like me everyday people, and thirty percent from critics.

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Speaker 2: It's just a silly movie. It's such a good time.

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Speaker 2: We watched it last Night's say. It's like an action

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Speaker 2: movie played out compredibly seriously, but it's just the Rock

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Speaker 2: as the Santa's special personal security and Santa gets Kit basically,

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Speaker 2: and then it played out right through the world of

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Speaker 2: fantasy creatures, giant polar bears, fights with snowmen, but played

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Speaker 2: so seriously and straight. It's funny in parts, but it's

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Speaker 2: funny in the way like die Hard would be funny.

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Speaker 2: The Rock just plays it so straight, and Chris Evans

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Speaker 2: is really good in it. And I think people got

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Speaker 2: confused because it came out in the movie theater and

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Speaker 2: people see, what's the point in this movie? Who's at four?

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Speaker 2: Because that is a good question. It's not really for kids,

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Speaker 2: but it's a Santa movie. It's more of an action movie,

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Speaker 2: so it's sort of trying to thread the needle between

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Speaker 2: people that love Christmas and people that love action movies,

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Speaker 2: which I guess Diehard does. But it's JK. Simmons is

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Speaker 2: a great Santa calls I love him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's what you wanted there, Tommy A year

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Speaker 3: RW if you don't always want to think, you just

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Speaker 3: want to be entertained, and you have some explosions and

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Speaker 3: you get some Christmas in there, and there's.

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Speaker 2: A lot of creativity in as well. But I also

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Speaker 2: think there's a difference between a movie that you go

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Speaker 2: to and see it in the theaters and something that

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Speaker 2: pops up on a dreamer, and the stakes are a

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Speaker 2: lot higher if you've gone to the theater see it.

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Speaker 2: And I think people went read One because it was

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Speaker 2: it was going to have a theatrical release and that

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Speaker 2: was going to go to the streamers, and I think

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Speaker 2: people went, I'm not going to go and see an

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Speaker 2: Action Center movie what in the theater? But I loved it.

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Speaker 2: I loved it so much and I watched it and

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Speaker 2: then and then I tried to watch it again. Oh really,

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01:49:30,173 --> 01:49:31,492
Speaker 2: the Double Women you straight away?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. You know when the critics hate something but

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Speaker 3: the audiences love it. But Mave does this awful thing.

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Speaker 3: When we're looking to find a movie to watch on Netflix,

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Speaker 3: and we'll find something and before we watch that, I'll

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01:49:42,692 --> 01:49:44,213
Speaker 3: just look up what the critics think of it.

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Speaker 2: Never never do it because the critics don't love movies.

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Speaker 2: They critics. They watch a movie looking for a reason

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Speaker 2: to criticize it. They're called critics. They don't. They don't

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Speaker 2: love movies in the pure open hearted sense that people

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Speaker 2: that just sit down to watch a movie do. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: people that got no skin in the game exactly. It's

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Speaker 2: a totally different way of viewing a movie. So never

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01:50:05,333 --> 01:50:09,333
Speaker 2: check what the critics think. Trust yourself. Yeah, your own opinion.

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Speaker 3: So read one highly recommended by Matt Heath and it's

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Speaker 3: a good Christmas watch.

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Speaker 2: We'll probably got a bunch of text tomorrow, Yeah, from

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Speaker 2: people saying you stole an hour and a half of

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Speaker 2: my life.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Hey, now coming up your chance to win a copy

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Speaker 3: of A Life Less Punishing, Yeah, my book.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you'd think we'd be giving away dies book right now,

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01:50:30,652 --> 01:50:32,293
Speaker 2: but we're not because we don't have any copies of that.

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01:50:32,412 --> 01:50:35,053
Speaker 2: But we are giving away copies of my book this week.

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Speaker 2: This week, A Life is Punishing, a thirteen ways to

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Speaker 2: love the life You've got.

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Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, so we'll give a couple of copies of

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Speaker 3: copies away very shortly. It is ten minutes before you're

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Speaker 3: listening to Matt and Tyler. Very very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams, Afternoons you

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four US Talk said, be said, be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon seven to four. Right, because it's Christmas and

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Speaker 3: Matt is feeling very generous. We've got two copies of

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Speaker 3: A Life Less Punishing, Hurting Ways to Love the Life

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Speaker 3: You've got. It is the number one best seller in

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Speaker 3: the country right now. You can find it in all

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Speaker 3: good bookstores and I've got to say it would make

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Speaker 3: a fantastic gift so well.

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Speaker 2: To be more accurate, it was a number one best

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Speaker 2: seller when it came out in July. Yeah, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: still going strong, So I'm still going strong. And look,

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Speaker 2: it's so what was the text punishing to nine two

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Speaker 2: nine two?

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Speaker 3: Yep, if you want a copy, we've got two to

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Speaker 3: give away today, and we're going to be giving copies

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Speaker 3: away all week this yeah week.

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Speaker 2: Look, and it's obviously incredibly pretentious to read from your

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Speaker 2: own book, but you know it was written to help

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Speaker 2: me with the problems I had in life. So I

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Speaker 2: did years of research while a year of research into

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Speaker 2: philosophy and neuroscience and history of emotions that were causing

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Speaker 2: me problems, including dissatisfaction with life, stress, worry, taking offense,

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Speaker 2: and a bunch of others. The first issue I deal

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Speaker 2: with in the book is anger, because I've had a

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Speaker 2: lot of anger in my life. In that chapter, I

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01:51:58,452 --> 01:52:00,892
Speaker 2: discussed the terrible fistfight I had in front of Timfin

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Speaker 2: in his dressing room, not with Timfin, but with someone

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Speaker 2: near him. But there are things everywhere in life that

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01:52:07,173 --> 01:52:09,572
Speaker 2: will make us anger. And over the Christmas break. We

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Speaker 2: all travel a lot, and we don't want to spend

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Speaker 2: our time angry and full of road rage on a

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Speaker 2: Christmas break. So pretentiously, here is something I wrote about

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Speaker 2: road rage in my book, and how we can change

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Speaker 2: our perspective such that we learn to management and here

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01:52:26,293 --> 01:52:30,052
Speaker 2: we go, here we go, all right? The ultimate perspective

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01:52:30,133 --> 01:52:33,132
Speaker 2: change is death. Does anger make sense if we consider

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Speaker 2: the imminent tragedy we all face. Death makes an observative

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01:52:36,973 --> 01:52:39,293
Speaker 2: boy I wrote this, I can't even read it. Death

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Speaker 2: makes an absurdity of road rage. Instead of firing up,

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Speaker 2: we could attempt to find some empathy. Bring to mind

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Speaker 2: the fact that both you and the person who's aggravating

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Speaker 2: you on the road are going to die one day,

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Speaker 2: that sooner or later, both of you will lose everyone

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Speaker 2: you love. You could focus on the happy fact that

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Speaker 2: you're alive and able to drive and not sick and

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Speaker 2: dying in a hospital bed, that your children or others

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Speaker 2: you love are alive, instead of the incident that's aggravating you.

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Speaker 2: You could instead bring to mind that you're not living

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Speaker 2: in a country where people are being rounded up and

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Speaker 2: murdered for who they are or what they believe in.

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Speaker 2: If you concentrate on these things, it's hard to stay angry.

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Speaker 2: You could also remind yourself that whatever moment you are in,

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Speaker 2: you will never get it back, and you don't know

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Speaker 2: how many more moments you will have. The next moment

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Speaker 2: could be your last. Everything you do in life, from

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Speaker 2: breathing to driving to communicating with those you love, you

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Speaker 2: will one day do for the last time. We don't

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Speaker 2: have long hair. Do you all want to waste any

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01:53:30,732 --> 01:53:34,092
Speaker 2: of the precious moments you have left red face screaming

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Speaker 2: and waving your middle finger at a stranger. If you

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Speaker 2: do go for it, that's your choice. Personally, I do

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Speaker 2: not I need that on repeat.

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Speaker 3: My oversummer nicely said, right, I mean, the texts are

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Speaker 3: coming in thick and fast. But if you want to

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Speaker 3: be in the drawer for a copy of A Life

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Speaker 3: Less Punishing thirteen Ways to Love the Life, you've got

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Speaker 3: text Punishing to nine two ninety two right now?

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Speaker 2: All right? Is that into the show for us? That

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Speaker 2: is what a great show it's been. Thanks much for listening.

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Speaker 2: The Great New Zealanders of Christmas series continues tomorrow, but

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Speaker 2: until then, give them a taste a Kiwi

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