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Speaker 1: Oh. I don't know about you, but it's getting embarrassing,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. Another record's been set by Key Wee scarpering

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Speaker 1: off shore in April. More than eighty one thousand took off.

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Speaker 1: That led to a net loss of fifty six thousand

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Speaker 1: and five one hundred. That tops the previous record, which

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Speaker 1: was in March of fifty two thousand. So is this

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Speaker 1: leaving holes in our job market? Tellent ID director Kelly

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Speaker 1: Handlet's with.

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Speaker 2: Us morning, Good morning to Mike.

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Speaker 1: Now, there was a survey yesterday. Obviously we got the

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Speaker 1: number of keys leaving the country, but there was another

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Speaker 1: survey yesterday that said twenty five percent of employers say

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Speaker 1: it's worse than last year. As far as labor issues concerned.

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon with all the people leaving the country

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Speaker 1: that's real?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's definitely not helping, Mike. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think we haven't seen the labor market loosen up

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Speaker 2: a little bit most recently this year. It's definitely more

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Speaker 2: balanced towards the employer. However, I think that's a real

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Speaker 2: band aid on what really is going on. We've got

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Speaker 2: massive skill shortages in this country, and you know, with

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Speaker 2: the recent restructuring or shaping happening. It's loosened a little,

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Speaker 2: but it's not really addressing the real issue.

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Speaker 1: So what's the problem though, Because it's not like we

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Speaker 1: haven't got people coming into the country. There's lots of

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Speaker 1: them coming in. Are they just mismatched?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I think that probably is the case.

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Speaker 2: You know, immigration has been a bit of a mess

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Speaker 2: for a while now. You almost need a master's degree

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Speaker 2: to decipher the constant came changes that are coming through

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Speaker 2: a week to be basis. So I just wonder if

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Speaker 2: we're not really sort of you know, we've got skilled

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Speaker 2: immigrants coming in. However, maybe immigration policies aren't targeted enough

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Speaker 2: towards the areas that are employers are desperately needing help them.

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Speaker 2: But it's not even it's not even the skilled areas

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Speaker 2: that where it is those areas, but it even filters

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Speaker 2: down to some of them are basic roles, really generic

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Speaker 2: skill sets.

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Speaker 1: Even does no one want to work anymore?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: But when you get to generic does no one want

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Speaker 1: to work? It doesn't matter where they come from in

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Speaker 1: the world. Kiwis can't get out of bed, and they're

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Speaker 1: leaving the country anyway, and those who come into the

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Speaker 1: country don't want to do the job. Are there just

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Speaker 1: some jobs people will not do?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Look, I think there's some obviously that are more

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Speaker 2: attractive than others. But no, I don't. I don't necessarily

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Speaker 2: think that's the case. I think, you know, post COVID,

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Speaker 2: we were we were in a real sort of dire

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Speaker 2: sort of space in terms of businesses were growing. We

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Speaker 2: just didn't have enough people literally to fill the jobs.

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Speaker 2: And I think it just is, you know, it just

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Speaker 2: comes down to there's there's more demand than you know,

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Speaker 2: sort of skill to fill fill these roles.

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Speaker 1: Do you worry about young people leaving New Zealand? New

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Speaker 1: Zealand is leaving New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, I've sort of been pondering that.

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Speaker 2: You know, years ago we had people would go overseas

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Speaker 2: on their oe and now it seems that they're leaving

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Speaker 2: to the greener pastures of Australia. So, you know, and

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Speaker 2: I think it definitely is that that time of people's

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Speaker 2: career where they're really earning good money and they really

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Speaker 2: could be adding to our economy, but sadly we're losing

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Speaker 2: them to you know, the likes of Australia in droves,

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Speaker 2: it seems, does.

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Speaker 1: It does indeed seem that way. Kelly appreciate it. Kelly Handler,

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