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Speaker 1: Feather Dueloman has introduced its revamped three strikes law to

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Speaker 1: Parliament today, but it is quite a watered down version

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Speaker 1: of what three strikes used to be. The new law

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Speaker 1: is not going to apply to any sentences under two years.

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Speaker 1: It's going to wipe all previous strikes. It's going to

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Speaker 1: clean slate all the criminals. Nicole McKee is the Associate

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Speaker 1: Justice Minister and with us.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Nicole, Hi, great to be back with you again.

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Speaker 1: Nicole. I can't imagine that you are comfortable with clean

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Speaker 1: slating all of these thugs. Why are you doing that?

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Speaker 2: Well, we have to, and the reason why we have

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Speaker 2: to is because the regime that's about to be introduced

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Speaker 2: is going to be different to the one that we

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Speaker 2: had in the past, and because of that, it means

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Speaker 2: that we cannot carry over people from a different repealed

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Speaker 2: regime into a new one.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you just make that same, Nicole, make it

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Speaker 1: the same so that you can carry it over.

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Speaker 2: You know, it would be great if we could make

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Speaker 2: it the same, But I think the reality is if

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Speaker 2: we do that, it's just going to be repelled again

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Speaker 2: and all those criminals who.

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Speaker 1: Care let out who cares?

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Speaker 2: Labor Wheel here here because we want to make sure

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Speaker 2: that victims are looked after and that the real serious,

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Speaker 2: repeat sexual and violent offenders are locked up. And what

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Speaker 2: Labour has done has basically said the way you mean

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Speaker 2: about it was wrong. We're going to let them out

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Speaker 2: and we don't want that to happen again. Now, there

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Speaker 2: were some genuine concerns about lower level offending being caught

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Speaker 2: up in the three strikes regime. Three strikes is meant

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Speaker 2: to go after the most serious violent offenders, and when

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Speaker 2: you get the low level offending being caught up, then

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Speaker 2: you are not actually meeting the intent of the law.

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Speaker 2: So we've got to make sure that those people that

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Speaker 2: were serving a third strike that had seventy four offenses

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Speaker 2: amongst them each as an average, are going to be

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Speaker 2: locked up, and this new regime is going to make

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Speaker 2: sure that happened.

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Speaker 1: Nicole. Let me tell you about Rona Peritomata. He is

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Speaker 1: a third striker. His third strike was beating his girlfriend

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Speaker 1: to death in twenty nineteen with his bare hands. Under

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Speaker 1: your law, he wouldn't even be a third striker because

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Speaker 1: his first defense was aggravated robbery, for which he got

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Speaker 1: eight months home detention. Strike under the old to strike

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Speaker 1: under yours. Second was a robbery, twenty months in jail,

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Speaker 1: strike under the old law, not a strike under yours,

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Speaker 1: ends up killing his girlfriend. You want to tell me

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Speaker 1: he shouldn't be a third striker.

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Speaker 2: And I think the changes that we're making to the

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Speaker 2: regime where we give sentencing principles to the judges that

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Speaker 2: say to them pay you cannot behave in such a

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Speaker 2: way that you use the three strikes regime as a

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Speaker 2: reason to offer discount some of those issues.

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Speaker 1: Of that's not what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: Want to make sure that the judges that implement the

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Speaker 2: law understand the true intent of the law.

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Speaker 1: And that's not what I'm doing. That's about the judges.

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Speaker 1: That this is not about the judges.

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Speaker 2: This is about you, the judge giving out the sentences.

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Speaker 1: You have written the law so that our friends are

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Speaker 1: Unaptitomata who ends up killing his girlfriend on his third strike,

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Speaker 1: never even reaches the third strike under your law. That's

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Speaker 1: on you. That's not on the judges.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually no, it's not on me. What's on me

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Speaker 2: is to make sure that we have a regime in

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Speaker 2: the future that's fit for purpose, that be repelled, that

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Speaker 2: locks up those serious violent offenders.

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Speaker 1: It's the point, Nicole, who cares if you're going to

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Speaker 1: give me a piece of legislation, that's a dog who

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Speaker 1: cares if it gets repealed or not. It's not work.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to work.

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Speaker 2: Then I invite everybody who has the same opinion as

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Speaker 2: you to take advantage of the Select Committy process. Come

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Speaker 2: in and tell us what it is that they want

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Speaker 2: to make it stronger, and let's see what we can

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Speaker 2: do to accommodate that as we go through that Select

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Speaker 2: Committee process. That's why it's so important to have it

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Speaker 2: and make sure people have a say.

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Speaker 1: Nicole, would you like to actually beef it up? And

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Speaker 1: do you need our help to come along to the

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Speaker 1: Select Committee process to help you to beef it up.

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Speaker 2: The more people that submit and tell us what they

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Speaker 2: really want in there, the more that the Justice Select

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Speaker 2: Committee will be able to listen and hopefully accommodate them.

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Speaker 1: Would you like to beef it up?

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Speaker 2: I think that we need to go harsh and hard

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Speaker 2: on our criminals, especially those serious violent ones. But I

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Speaker 2: also think that we need to have some sort of

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Speaker 2: out for the lower level offending. But I also think

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Speaker 2: that we need to make sure that the principles of

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Speaker 2: sentencing are in place so that the judges do understand

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Speaker 2: the intent of the regime and that those really serious

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Speaker 2: offenders are locked before I let.

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Speaker 1: You go, long time before I let you go. You're

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Speaker 1: talking about lower level offending, right, which is offending which

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Speaker 1: doesn't capture, which is under two years in jail? Right, Oh,

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Speaker 1: mate Tomata, first offense aggravated robbery eight months home d

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Speaker 1: Is that low level offending as far as you're concerned.

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Speaker 2: Well, when we look at the qualifying offenses, there's a

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Speaker 2: list of forty one of them was forty It's going

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Speaker 2: to be forty one. And as I mentioned, the principles

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Speaker 2: on sentencing guidelines for the judges really spout out in

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Speaker 2: this new bill that we're putting through will ensure that

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Speaker 2: people that do have offenses like that, if they are serious,

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Speaker 2: are sentenced appropriately and then given the strike as a

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Speaker 2: part of that, as I mentioned, for people to actually

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Speaker 2: come and be a part of the flickmity process, tell

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Speaker 2: us what they really think, what they'd really like to see,

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Speaker 2: because what people's views are actually matter, and it's how

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Speaker 2: we go about making sure we have good legislation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, here's hoping you get the support you need, Nicole,

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Speaker 1: to make this the thing it needs to be. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your tim Nicole McKee, Associate Justice Minister.

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