1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from Newstalks EDB. 3 00:00:12,707 --> 00:00:16,027 Speaker 2: He the biggest day on the American sporting calendar is 4 00:00:16,147 --> 00:00:20,387 Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Super Bowl fifty nine tomorrow underway at around 5 00:00:20,427 --> 00:00:24,027 Speaker 2: twelve thirty New Zealand time. The Kansas City Chiefs looking 6 00:00:24,067 --> 00:00:26,787 Speaker 2: for an unprecedented three Peet. 7 00:00:26,467 --> 00:00:32,587 Speaker 3: Wurston Gold, mahamesquens a super Bowl Esta Hurricane Jack Park. 8 00:00:32,427 --> 00:00:38,467 Speaker 2: Kansas City. And this was the Andy Reid Special and 9 00:00:38,667 --> 00:00:41,907 Speaker 2: the tame winning drive of the Holmes career. He's been 10 00:00:41,907 --> 00:00:44,027 Speaker 2: waiting for his one Super Bows, but he's never had 11 00:00:44,067 --> 00:00:47,027 Speaker 2: it in an overtime. He is the best, He is 12 00:00:47,067 --> 00:00:50,747 Speaker 2: the standard. You're Michael Jordan wins it again here, So 13 00:00:51,067 --> 00:00:54,347 Speaker 2: Kansas City up against the Philadelphia Eagles, who they beat 14 00:00:54,587 --> 00:00:57,627 Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty three Super Bowl. Now, regular listeners 15 00:00:57,947 --> 00:01:00,347 Speaker 2: to the show will have enjoyed, as I have, the 16 00:01:00,707 --> 00:01:05,147 Speaker 2: regular emailed thoughts of Leon in Melbourne, among other things, 17 00:01:05,507 --> 00:01:10,347 Speaker 2: a massive fan and not just that, completing a dissertation 18 00:01:10,467 --> 00:01:13,267 Speaker 2: as part of his university studies on the impact of 19 00:01:13,307 --> 00:01:17,667 Speaker 2: the transfer portal and name, image and likeness as an 20 00:01:17,667 --> 00:01:21,227 Speaker 2: abridgement between college and professional sports in North America specifically 21 00:01:21,547 --> 00:01:25,067 Speaker 2: the NFL and the NBA. So we thought let's get 22 00:01:25,147 --> 00:01:29,107 Speaker 2: Leon on to preview Super Bowl. Leon from Melbourne's with us, 23 00:01:29,147 --> 00:01:31,867 Speaker 2: Leon Busby to give him his full title. Thanks for 24 00:01:31,947 --> 00:01:33,307 Speaker 2: joining us, Leon, How are you mate? 25 00:01:33,827 --> 00:01:37,267 Speaker 3: I'm great, Thanks, Jason, Thanks and Foremotes. Thanks for allowing 26 00:01:37,267 --> 00:01:39,667 Speaker 3: me to come on your show. You know, I know 27 00:01:39,787 --> 00:01:43,027 Speaker 3: you're an award winner. Then you're the top of the 28 00:01:43,067 --> 00:01:46,107 Speaker 3: totem pole, say to speak, but living here in Melbourne, 29 00:01:46,147 --> 00:01:48,387 Speaker 3: I I have to listen to a show and I 30 00:01:48,427 --> 00:01:49,027 Speaker 3: love your work. 31 00:01:49,307 --> 00:01:50,867 Speaker 2: Well, it's great to have you as part of the 32 00:01:50,867 --> 00:01:54,667 Speaker 2: show today because we, as I say, assume that you 33 00:01:54,707 --> 00:01:57,667 Speaker 2: would be right across this. So let's go team from team, 34 00:01:58,147 --> 00:02:01,547 Speaker 2: starting with the Kansas City Chiefs. They've made Super Bowl 35 00:02:01,627 --> 00:02:04,187 Speaker 2: five times in the last six, they've won the last two. 36 00:02:04,267 --> 00:02:07,587 Speaker 2: It's a faircely competitive sport. What has made the chief 37 00:02:07,667 --> 00:02:10,987 Speaker 2: so good for so long? And do you back them 38 00:02:11,027 --> 00:02:12,547 Speaker 2: to go three on the trot? 39 00:02:14,387 --> 00:02:16,827 Speaker 3: Yeah? So there's a number of reasons why the two 40 00:02:16,867 --> 00:02:19,467 Speaker 3: time defending champions are back to try and win an 41 00:02:19,547 --> 00:02:23,027 Speaker 3: unpresented in third straight Super Bowl. Why don't we start 42 00:02:23,027 --> 00:02:25,987 Speaker 3: with the guy? Heveryone plays under center for Kansas City 43 00:02:25,987 --> 00:02:29,267 Speaker 3: as Patrick Mahomes. So he's played in the seven straight 44 00:02:29,347 --> 00:02:32,947 Speaker 3: conference championship game since he became the starting quarterback for Casey, 45 00:02:32,987 --> 00:02:36,627 Speaker 3: which is unheard of. This will be a fifth Super Bowl, 46 00:02:36,667 --> 00:02:38,867 Speaker 3: having won three and lost one. The one he did lose, 47 00:02:39,947 --> 00:02:42,427 Speaker 3: he had most of them studying offensive lineout injured. So 48 00:02:43,387 --> 00:02:45,187 Speaker 3: and this is all before he's even ten three. So 49 00:02:45,347 --> 00:02:47,347 Speaker 3: Mahomes is a depth there, finding a way to lead 50 00:02:47,347 --> 00:02:50,067 Speaker 3: his team to a win, particularly in the moments in 51 00:02:50,107 --> 00:02:53,267 Speaker 3: a matter of the most part of his identity that 52 00:02:53,427 --> 00:02:56,147 Speaker 3: you can't replicate. His mahme. There's such a force in 53 00:02:56,187 --> 00:02:58,547 Speaker 3: football that a lot of people often just call him 54 00:02:58,627 --> 00:03:00,747 Speaker 3: number fifteen now, so even a lot of people are 55 00:03:00,787 --> 00:03:02,347 Speaker 3: calling them the goat and waiting. 56 00:03:02,187 --> 00:03:06,987 Speaker 2: The Mahomes Travis Kelcey connection. Let's talk about that. Why 57 00:03:07,067 --> 00:03:09,827 Speaker 2: is that such an effective combination? And is it one 58 00:03:09,867 --> 00:03:10,987 Speaker 2: of the greatest we've ever seen? 59 00:03:12,307 --> 00:03:15,227 Speaker 3: Yeah, so the chiefs of a well balanced offense with 60 00:03:15,347 --> 00:03:17,907 Speaker 3: their wide receivers and running backs, but yeah, it's Tidy 61 00:03:17,907 --> 00:03:22,347 Speaker 3: and Travis Kelcey. He's crucial to Kansas City's success. So 62 00:03:22,467 --> 00:03:26,547 Speaker 3: he forms a lethal passing past catching tandem with his quarterback, 63 00:03:26,947 --> 00:03:29,307 Speaker 3: among the very best in the NFL. Player fistory. So 64 00:03:30,267 --> 00:03:33,507 Speaker 3: I think it's something like the combined for seventeen and 65 00:03:33,587 --> 00:03:38,187 Speaker 3: forty five yard, nineteen touchdowns, and twenty postseason games together, 66 00:03:38,267 --> 00:03:41,387 Speaker 3: possessing three Super Bowl wins. They're given the numbers and 67 00:03:41,587 --> 00:03:43,307 Speaker 3: the eight they are. I mean, this is going to 68 00:03:43,387 --> 00:03:44,907 Speaker 3: carry on for a little while longer. I mean we 69 00:03:44,987 --> 00:03:48,307 Speaker 3: think about guys like Domnt Cannon, Jury Rice and how 70 00:03:48,307 --> 00:03:52,267 Speaker 3: they had that connection from Mahomes and Kelsey have really 71 00:03:52,267 --> 00:03:55,107 Speaker 3: taken it to another level. So you know, there's they're 72 00:03:55,147 --> 00:03:57,987 Speaker 3: really hard to stop and they've just got their unbelievable 73 00:03:58,027 --> 00:04:00,467 Speaker 3: connection between both of them year. All right. 74 00:04:00,507 --> 00:04:04,347 Speaker 2: So apart from those two and the incredible consistency that 75 00:04:04,387 --> 00:04:07,107 Speaker 2: you've talked about, what else is it about the Kansas 76 00:04:07,147 --> 00:04:10,067 Speaker 2: City Chiefs specifically this season that has been so impressive. 77 00:04:11,827 --> 00:04:15,587 Speaker 3: Well, for your listeners who have been following their progression 78 00:04:15,627 --> 00:04:21,067 Speaker 3: the season, they've achieved what we call They've won twelve 79 00:04:21,107 --> 00:04:24,307 Speaker 3: games by like one score, which is sort of unheard of. 80 00:04:24,467 --> 00:04:27,147 Speaker 3: So they just find a way to win. They know 81 00:04:27,347 --> 00:04:31,227 Speaker 3: how to sort of bring up the players in the 82 00:04:31,227 --> 00:04:34,107 Speaker 3: big moments, and one of the main people in their 83 00:04:34,107 --> 00:04:38,227 Speaker 3: coaching staff is a guy known as Spags or bag Nola. 84 00:04:38,347 --> 00:04:42,147 Speaker 3: He's their defensive coordinator, so he he's the only defensive 85 00:04:42,187 --> 00:04:44,827 Speaker 3: coordinator I think in NFL history is won for Super Bowl. 86 00:04:44,907 --> 00:04:47,547 Speaker 3: So he has a way of sort of lining up 87 00:04:47,587 --> 00:04:50,147 Speaker 3: their defense against teams, and especially more so against a 88 00:04:50,147 --> 00:04:54,347 Speaker 3: team like like Philadelphia have a really potent offense. So yeah, 89 00:04:54,387 --> 00:04:56,947 Speaker 3: their defense has really stepped up this the end sort 90 00:04:56,947 --> 00:04:59,107 Speaker 3: of kept them going. A lot of people have criticized 91 00:04:59,187 --> 00:05:02,107 Speaker 3: Kansas City because the offense hasn't been great, but you 92 00:05:02,187 --> 00:05:03,827 Speaker 3: know what, they still find a way to win and 93 00:05:03,907 --> 00:05:05,267 Speaker 3: that's what makes a champion team. 94 00:05:05,867 --> 00:05:07,907 Speaker 2: All right, Well, there are two teams in Super Bowl, 95 00:05:07,947 --> 00:05:11,867 Speaker 2: so we should perhaps talk about the Philadelphia Eagles as well. 96 00:05:11,987 --> 00:05:15,587 Speaker 2: Are they capable of stopping this juggernaut that is the 97 00:05:15,667 --> 00:05:16,667 Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs. 98 00:05:18,267 --> 00:05:21,387 Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, the NFC champions love had a really great 99 00:05:21,467 --> 00:05:24,107 Speaker 3: year and that's been based on the purchase and your 100 00:05:24,227 --> 00:05:28,707 Speaker 3: season of running back Saquon Barkley. So Barkley has really 101 00:05:28,747 --> 00:05:33,787 Speaker 3: been the difference for the team this year. Philadelphia have 102 00:05:33,907 --> 00:05:39,027 Speaker 3: some great wide receivers and a really good tight end 103 00:05:39,067 --> 00:05:41,547 Speaker 3: as well, but really Barkley has been the difference for 104 00:05:41,587 --> 00:05:45,707 Speaker 3: the team. I think he passed the magical what they 105 00:05:45,747 --> 00:05:49,147 Speaker 3: call two thousand Marc rushing for the He actually could 106 00:05:49,187 --> 00:05:51,947 Speaker 3: have broken the regular season record, but they decided to 107 00:05:52,027 --> 00:05:54,267 Speaker 3: rest him in the last game, so that was a 108 00:05:54,267 --> 00:05:56,907 Speaker 3: bit of a shame. But he only needs thirty more 109 00:05:57,027 --> 00:05:59,307 Speaker 3: yards to get the all season rushing record in the 110 00:05:59,347 --> 00:06:01,867 Speaker 3: Super Bowl, so I'm pretty sure he'll do that. But yeah, 111 00:06:01,907 --> 00:06:04,547 Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley has definitely been the difference for the Seagles. 112 00:06:04,707 --> 00:06:06,347 Speaker 3: Sorry for the for the Eagles this year. 113 00:06:06,947 --> 00:06:10,987 Speaker 2: What about at quarterback Jalen Hurts. We're now about Patrick Mahomes. 114 00:06:11,187 --> 00:06:15,507 Speaker 2: How do you assess Jalen Hurt's ability to step up 115 00:06:15,507 --> 00:06:16,427 Speaker 2: for this big occasion? 116 00:06:17,867 --> 00:06:21,547 Speaker 3: Yes, they hurt. We think about the Super Bowl from 117 00:06:21,547 --> 00:06:23,587 Speaker 3: two years ago, in Super Bowl fifty seven, he was 118 00:06:23,627 --> 00:06:26,787 Speaker 3: actually he actually played Mahomes in that game, but obviously 119 00:06:26,867 --> 00:06:30,027 Speaker 3: because they lost the game, he didn't get Super Bowl MVP, 120 00:06:30,187 --> 00:06:32,387 Speaker 3: but he could have if they had won. So he's 121 00:06:32,427 --> 00:06:34,667 Speaker 3: another good player who can do a lot of damage 122 00:06:34,987 --> 00:06:37,907 Speaker 3: from the pocket with his arm, but he's also another 123 00:06:38,427 --> 00:06:42,107 Speaker 3: threat on the ground. So besides Barkley, if we look 124 00:06:42,147 --> 00:06:45,827 Speaker 3: at the championship game when they beat Washington, he ran 125 00:06:45,907 --> 00:06:49,347 Speaker 3: for three touchdown scores as well as Barkley, So he's 126 00:06:49,387 --> 00:06:51,627 Speaker 3: a threat from the pocket and also with his legs 127 00:06:51,667 --> 00:06:55,307 Speaker 3: as well. So that gives Philadelfia a lot more options 128 00:06:55,307 --> 00:06:56,747 Speaker 3: in terms of their offense as well. 129 00:06:57,027 --> 00:07:00,907 Speaker 2: Both great offenses, though, Leon, so who has the better defense? 130 00:07:02,507 --> 00:07:05,147 Speaker 3: You know what? Panyer, I got to be honest that 131 00:07:05,387 --> 00:07:07,467 Speaker 3: this could be like on the toss of a coin, 132 00:07:07,507 --> 00:07:11,427 Speaker 3: because they're both so good. We look at Kansas City, 133 00:07:11,467 --> 00:07:14,747 Speaker 3: they have a future Hall of Fame and Chris Jones, 134 00:07:14,747 --> 00:07:18,947 Speaker 3: who he's considered the business position as a defensive tackle, 135 00:07:19,027 --> 00:07:21,787 Speaker 3: so he gets after the quarterback and quite often he's 136 00:07:21,787 --> 00:07:23,547 Speaker 3: one of those guys that has to be double teams 137 00:07:23,667 --> 00:07:28,187 Speaker 3: as well. Philadelphia have some guys there in the offensive 138 00:07:28,227 --> 00:07:29,747 Speaker 3: line you can cause a lot of havoc as well. 139 00:07:29,787 --> 00:07:31,827 Speaker 3: So it's really hard. It's going to be hard to 140 00:07:31,827 --> 00:07:34,107 Speaker 3: pick the winner because it's so close and evenly matching. 141 00:07:34,147 --> 00:07:36,827 Speaker 3: If we look at the current odds, both teams are 142 00:07:36,867 --> 00:07:39,547 Speaker 3: pretty even. I think Kansas City are like a point 143 00:07:39,587 --> 00:07:42,107 Speaker 3: and a half favorite, which isn't a lot when you 144 00:07:42,147 --> 00:07:44,787 Speaker 3: think about it. But yeah, it's going to be really close. 145 00:07:44,987 --> 00:07:45,947 Speaker 3: It's going to be a hard one to. 146 00:07:45,947 --> 00:07:48,387 Speaker 2: Pick, yeah, indeed, so and that I won't ask you 147 00:07:48,427 --> 00:07:50,467 Speaker 2: to make a pick, but I will ask you what 148 00:07:50,627 --> 00:07:52,867 Speaker 2: will decide it? What is it likely to be a 149 00:07:52,907 --> 00:07:54,867 Speaker 2: one score game? Will it be decided on a moment 150 00:07:54,947 --> 00:07:59,187 Speaker 2: of inspiration by one of the two quarterbacks? How do 151 00:07:59,227 --> 00:08:01,587 Speaker 2: you see this one being decided tomorrow? 152 00:08:02,907 --> 00:08:05,227 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if you look at Kansas City the 153 00:08:05,387 --> 00:08:08,347 Speaker 3: head coach, and you read his nickname, Big Red, that's 154 00:08:08,347 --> 00:08:12,987 Speaker 3: his nickname. But he's been in the situation many times before. Interestingly, 155 00:08:12,987 --> 00:08:14,947 Speaker 3: a lot of your calls are sorry, a lot of 156 00:08:14,987 --> 00:08:18,707 Speaker 3: your listeners may not know that Andy Reid actually has 157 00:08:18,747 --> 00:08:21,387 Speaker 3: the winning this record for both teams because he was 158 00:08:21,427 --> 00:08:24,747 Speaker 3: at Philadelphia for about twelve years and took them to 159 00:08:24,787 --> 00:08:27,507 Speaker 3: a Super Bowl. I think they won five AFC Championship 160 00:08:27,547 --> 00:08:30,747 Speaker 3: games as Bowl so and obviously with his success in 161 00:08:30,867 --> 00:08:34,307 Speaker 3: Kansas City, he's got that experience. So I think in 162 00:08:34,427 --> 00:08:38,147 Speaker 3: terms of that, you can't really replact experience. But in 163 00:08:38,267 --> 00:08:42,387 Speaker 3: saying that, I think the biggest factor in this game 164 00:08:42,427 --> 00:08:48,507 Speaker 3: will be whether Kansas City can shut down Philadelphia's running 165 00:08:48,507 --> 00:08:51,347 Speaker 3: game because Barkley is lethal. So often in games you'll 166 00:08:51,387 --> 00:08:54,587 Speaker 3: see like you might get three yards, five yard, ten yards, 167 00:08:54,587 --> 00:08:56,627 Speaker 3: seven yards, and then he'll just go off on a 168 00:08:56,667 --> 00:08:59,507 Speaker 3: sixty yard run. So they need to c I think 169 00:08:59,507 --> 00:09:01,827 Speaker 3: that's going to be the determining factor who's going to 170 00:09:01,867 --> 00:09:04,027 Speaker 3: win this game, that they need to shut down Barkley 171 00:09:04,027 --> 00:09:09,547 Speaker 3: if they can that down Philadelphia's options in terms of attack. 172 00:09:09,667 --> 00:09:12,147 Speaker 3: So I think really that's the biggest fact of a 173 00:09:12,187 --> 00:09:14,827 Speaker 3: lot of experts are talking about that if Kansas City 174 00:09:14,867 --> 00:09:18,947 Speaker 3: can somehow close down Barkley's running game, then Kansas City 175 00:09:18,987 --> 00:09:20,107 Speaker 3: could definitely threepeat. 176 00:09:20,627 --> 00:09:22,867 Speaker 2: Leon, You've given us great analysis, mate, Thanks so much 177 00:09:22,867 --> 00:09:25,307 Speaker 2: for joining us. Really really pleased that you could do so. 178 00:09:25,467 --> 00:09:27,387 Speaker 2: Enjoy the game tomorrow. I know you're a Chiefs fan, 179 00:09:27,507 --> 00:09:29,227 Speaker 2: so you'll be able to now that you've given us 180 00:09:29,227 --> 00:09:33,627 Speaker 2: the very objective analysis. You get your Kansas City chiefscare 181 00:09:33,667 --> 00:09:36,067 Speaker 2: on and hopefully cheer your boys home. Thanks so much 182 00:09:36,067 --> 00:09:37,027 Speaker 2: for joining us today. 183 00:09:36,827 --> 00:09:39,227 Speaker 3: Mate, No, thanks a lot, Poiney, thank you for having 184 00:09:39,227 --> 00:09:39,467 Speaker 3: me on. 185 00:09:39,587 --> 00:09:42,347 Speaker 2: No, thanks for joining us. Lee on. Leon Busby one 186 00:09:42,387 --> 00:09:45,147 Speaker 2: of our regular contributors, and on the basis of what 187 00:09:45,187 --> 00:09:47,707 Speaker 2: we've just heard there, I think a regular contributor moving 188 00:09:47,747 --> 00:09:50,707 Speaker 2: forward as well. There you go. Super Bowl fifty nine tomorrow, 189 00:09:50,747 --> 00:09:54,507 Speaker 2: twelve thirty Kansas City Chiefs against the Philadelphia Eagles. Just 190 00:09:54,507 --> 00:09:57,547 Speaker 2: a point of clarification, I said an unprecedented three peat. 191 00:09:57,867 --> 00:10:00,267 Speaker 2: That is true as far as Super Bowls are concerned. 192 00:10:00,427 --> 00:10:02,187 Speaker 2: I've had a pointed out to me that the Green 193 00:10:02,227 --> 00:10:04,067 Speaker 2: Bay Pack has won three in a row, but that 194 00:10:04,227 --> 00:10:07,107 Speaker 2: was before Super Bowl was a thing. They won three 195 00:10:07,147 --> 00:10:11,427 Speaker 2: straight championships when it was determined by the regular season record, 196 00:10:11,667 --> 00:10:14,627 Speaker 2: that twice actually nineteen twenty nine through nineteen thirty one, 197 00:10:14,947 --> 00:10:17,947 Speaker 2: and also nineteen sixty five through nineteen sixty seven. But 198 00:10:18,027 --> 00:10:21,907 Speaker 2: no team has ever won three straight Super Bowls since 199 00:10:21,907 --> 00:10:24,747 Speaker 2: that came into being in nineteen sixty seven. 200 00:10:25,467 --> 00:10:28,667 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 201 00:10:28,747 --> 00:10:32,067 Speaker 1: to News Talk zed B weekends from midday, or follow 202 00:10:32,107 --> 00:10:33,707 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.