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Speaker 1: Concern this morning that the governments change up for the

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Speaker 1: school curriculum could drive more students to drop out Early

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Speaker 1: New data release to News Talk ZBS shows nearly fourteen

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen year olds got exemptions to leave last year,

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Speaker 1: the highest since two thousand and seven. But the good

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Speaker 1: news is ninety percent of them continued to study outside school,

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Speaker 1: and that was largely with Tapoo Kinger teaching two fifteen

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Speaker 1: year olds in some capacity last year. Bruce Sorry, Mark

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Speaker 1: Bruce Miller is the CEO of Feno et Outdoors joins

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Speaker 1: us this morning. Mark, Good morning, Good morning. Right, school's

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Speaker 1: not for everyone if they are going elsewhere to study

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Speaker 1: or work, is it a problem?

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. I think we have to recognize

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Speaker 2: the school isn't for everyone, but school also needs to

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Speaker 2: be a place where all learners can thrive and where

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Speaker 2: all earners can feel success.

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Speaker 1: What's your issue? Because they're wanting to take outdoor read

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Speaker 1: from the Senior School General subject list. Why is that

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Speaker 1: a problem?

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Speaker 2: That's a big problem for us? We, as a specialist

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Speaker 2: in outdoor education, consistently demonstrate that outdoor ed allows all

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Speaker 2: students to flourish in areas that are difficult to work

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Speaker 2: within classroom environments key employability skills such as teamwork, leadership, communication, resilience,

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Speaker 2: and initiative. Is that opportunity is not available to all students,

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Speaker 2: then there's a problem. There is a proposal that it

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Speaker 2: will be offered for students on a vocational pathway, but

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Speaker 2: that would mean it wouldn't be available for anyone going

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Speaker 2: through to a university on more of an academic pathway.

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Speaker 1: So you can still take outdoor ed and go and

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Speaker 1: get a job, but you can't take outdoor ed and

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Speaker 1: go to UNI.

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Speaker 2: As the proposal currently says. That is one of the risks. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and yet we know that we need all of our

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Speaker 2: students when they're leaving school to be as well rounded

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Speaker 2: as it can, to have worked on their leadership, initiative,

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Speaker 2: problem solving, their ability to manage and think critically under pressure.

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Speaker 2: That's what outdoor ed does.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because I did outdoor it at school and

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Speaker 1: then went to UNI, so I probably wouldn't have taken

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Speaker 1: that course if the current rules take place.

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Speaker 2: That is very much the risk, and it's something that

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Speaker 2: we're concerned about because we see day in day out

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Speaker 2: the benefits of all of our students getting out of

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Speaker 2: the classroom, feeling more connected to the natural environment, learning

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Speaker 2: all those skills that I just listed, but also critical

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Speaker 2: to their confidence, self management, and their overall well being.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Mike, appreciate your time this morning. Thank you. Mark

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Speaker 1: Bruce Miller, CEO of fine Et Outdoors. For more from

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