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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand. Let's get

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Speaker 1: connected and you talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We've

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Speaker 2: just got the first official report into why the Artitetda

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Speaker 2: ran aground. You remember that we're going to speak to

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Speaker 2: the Enter Islander Boss after five. Sharon Zolner, a and

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Speaker 2: Z's chief economist on white business confidences up again and

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Speaker 2: Ordefeno was mayor on whether they're going to actually start

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Speaker 2: mowing the burms and live in again.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplicy Ellen, Look, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Not altogether surprised that Mike King's comments on the show

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Speaker 2: yesterday have sparked a debate. And the reason I'm not

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Speaker 2: surprised is because what he said, some of what he

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Speaker 2: said at least, is factually wrong.

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Speaker 4: Alcohol is not a problem for people with mental health issues.

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Speaker 4: It's actually the solution to our problem.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Remember we are specifically talking about suicide here, and for

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Speaker 2: people with suicide suicidal ideation, alcohol is actually a problem

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Speaker 2: because what it does is at low as inhibitions when

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Speaker 2: you're drunk, your own inhibitions are a little bit lower, right,

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Speaker 2: so people are more likely to act on their feelings.

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Speaker 2: It is also a depressant. Drink enough low as your mood.

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Speaker 2: If you're already unhappy, it's going to make you more unhappy.

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Speaker 2: But then some of what he said to be fair

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Speaker 2: to him is also his own lived experience and trying

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Speaker 2: to cope with his mental health issues.

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Speaker 4: I'm a drug addict and alcoholic in my whole life.

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Speaker 4: I use drugs and alcohol to stop that little voice

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Speaker 4: inside my head that told me that I wasn't good enough,

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Speaker 4: that I was useless.

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Speaker 2: Now you can't argue with that as much, can you,

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Speaker 2: Because that's his experience, from his perspective of living through that,

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Speaker 2: and there is actually evidence that alcohol does provide a

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Speaker 2: mental escape, certainly in the moment. What I am a

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Speaker 2: little bit surprised by is the strength of the reaction

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Speaker 2: to Mike King today. I mean, I was absolutely expecting

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Speaker 2: the anti alcohol people to get wound up what they

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Speaker 2: often do, but I was not really expecting that the

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Speaker 2: Labour Party would go quite as far as they have.

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Speaker 2: They have today called for government funding of gun Boot

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Speaker 2: Friday to be reconsidered. Now, just consider what that means. Right,

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Speaker 2: they are asking the government to stop helping people deal

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Speaker 2: with their mental health issues because of what Mike King said.

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Speaker 2: Is that reasonable? I mean, let's be clear what's going

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Speaker 2: on here. This is political. There was a time when

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Speaker 2: everybody loved Mike King. Everybody thought he was a good

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Speaker 2: guy doing good work for mental health. But then he

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Speaker 2: became a political figure, didn't he Because he took on

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Speaker 2: Jacinda Ardurn when she was Prime Minister. He had a

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Speaker 2: public scrap with her because her government pulled funding for

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Speaker 2: his charity, handed back his Order of Merit metal. The

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Speaker 2: NATS then adopted him. They funded his charity once they

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Speaker 2: got into government in a way that the Orders to

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Speaker 2: General is not totally happy with. And now people are

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Speaker 2: split on whether they love Mike King or not, and

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Speaker 2: probably in some cases that split will indicate pretty much

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying Mike King is above criticism. I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying Mike King's above scrutiny all that this isn't a

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Speaker 2: debate worth having about what he said. I'm just saying

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Speaker 2: bear in mind and that when we do have this

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Speaker 2: debate about what he's just said, This isn't just about

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Speaker 2: mental health, This isn't just about alcohol. This is also

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Speaker 2: very much now about politics.

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Speaker 3: Ever do for Clan nine nineteer is.

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Speaker 2: The text numbers standard text fees apply now to another subject,

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Speaker 2: Consumer New Zealand. Once the government's inquiry into E New

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Speaker 2: Zealand's prices, they say E New Zealand has a virtual

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Speaker 2: monopoly domestically, so they want the Commerce Commission to do

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Speaker 2: a market study and consumer in z CEO's John Duffy, Hey, John.

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Speaker 3: Hey here they have the guard good, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Now, what do you reckon? A market study is going

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Speaker 2: to find?

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Speaker 5: Well, it would bring some transparency into pricing in the

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Speaker 5: New Zealand aviation market. So at the moment we've got

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Speaker 5: a whole lot of confusion, a whole lot of really

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Speaker 5: we need to get to the bottom of what's driving

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, transparency is cool, but that doesn't sound like

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Speaker 2: it's actually going to fix anything or change anything for

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the start, it's the start of change. So

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Speaker 5: it's very easy to point your finger at you know,

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Speaker 5: one or two potential causes for high prices. But until

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Speaker 5: you've done a comprehensive study and you can say, actually,

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Speaker 5: this is what the market dynamics look like, it's it's

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Speaker 5: you know in previous market studies, you know that that

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Speaker 5: has been the you know, the problem that people have

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Speaker 5: or fuel and the market doesn't change immediately the commiscrisis

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Speaker 5: to evidence based debate on what the next best options are,

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Speaker 5: and then you can hand it back to the government

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Speaker 5: and say, all right, you know what you could do

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Speaker 5: to fix things. It's up to you whether you do

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Speaker 2: So what do we do if we find out that

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Speaker 2: they're making too much money off us?

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Speaker 5: That's that's a good question. We look at perhaps what

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Speaker 5: the barriers too this is in the market are facing

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Speaker 5: competitive tension to lower prices an increased service. So when

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Speaker 5: we say we need an inquiry into the aviation market,

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Speaker 5: we're not just saying this is a this is a

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Speaker 5: look at air New Zealand. Although in New Zealand are

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Speaker 5: airlines play the role a border transport infrastructure players. Because

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Speaker 5: you know, if you could, if you can get in

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Speaker 5: a competition. If you my coach, those are that influence

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Speaker 5: and influence how those airlines set their prices to compete

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Speaker 2: So how many routes are there where a New Zealand

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Speaker 2: has got no other competition in the air.

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Speaker 5: Look, I don't have that in front of me, but

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Speaker 5: it as more than half of the roots of New Zealand.

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Speaker 5: There are New Zealand in New Zealand has a virtual

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Speaker 2: So would you count, for example, like Wellington depict in

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Speaker 5: I'm not even sure if any zerom flies and depict

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Speaker 5: Yep, Wellington Blenham or Wellington Nelson. There is there's there's

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Speaker 5: one other player, as I understand it, with limited capacity

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Speaker 3: Virtual monopoly then certainly a high market share.

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Speaker 5: But then if you look at I don't know Wellington

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Speaker 5: any Zealand is not flying that day, that's a problem

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Speaker 5: if you live in Gisbon and need to get home.

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Speaker 2: John, how much money would be too much money that

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Speaker 2: they'd be making off us?

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Speaker 5: Well, well, that's a big question. Is so we we

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Speaker 5: discovered that a million dollars a day in excess profits

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Speaker 5: the New Zealand public is very very uncomfortable with that.

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Speaker 5: The complicating factor here is that, you know, there's a

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Speaker 5: if in New Zealand are making profits above what they

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Speaker 5: Whether those are know whether that's appropriate or not, that's

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Speaker 5: another question, and probably more of a political question than

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Speaker 5: one a competition inquiry would answer.

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Speaker 2: John, Thanks very much, John Duffy, consuming New Zealand CEO.

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Speaker 2: Hey to the States really quickly. The Economist has changed

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Speaker 2: its prediction for the American election next week. You remember

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Speaker 2: last week I was tell last week, I was telling

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Speaker 2: that the Economist was calling it for Donald Trump. This

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Speaker 2: too close to call fifty to fifty. They can't call

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Speaker 2: going to be a changing thing for them. They will update.

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Speaker 2: They basically do an aggregate of the available polls and

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Speaker 2: day until we get to the election. Anyway, the reason

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Speaker 2: it's now fifty to fifty is because of the new

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Speaker 2: four hours. There were sixty five which moved the dial

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Speaker 2: in Carmela's favor. The most influential polls were in four

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Speaker 2: those states, get this this is how close things are.

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Speaker 2: Her vote share rose by an average of zero point

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for business,

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Speaker 1: US dogs at b Sport with tab get your bed

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Speaker 1: on R eighteen bet responsibly.

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Speaker 2: Darcy Watgrave, sports talk host, busy watching the Dodgers.

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Speaker 7: I know I'm not the massive baseball fan, but this

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Speaker 7: is so good because coast West Coast, it's coming up

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Speaker 7: to the crunch and it looks like at Yankee Stadium

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Speaker 7: the Dodgers might just get it done.

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Speaker 8: It's the bottom of the eighth. They're up seven six

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Speaker 7: So you're just in there now ozh and two right

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Speaker 7: now for the first bat up, So can they pull

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Speaker 7: that we will seek And it's just this is good

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Speaker 7: right to the crunch because La the Dodgers were getting

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Speaker 9: I think it was in the fifth five home runs.

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Speaker 2: Like what, none of what you said I understand. I

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Speaker 2: understand none of them. I don't know what any of

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Speaker 2: the stuff means. It's the only reason that you're talking

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Speaker 2: about the Dodgers because Matt Heath has been talking about

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Speaker 2: it for three days?

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Speaker 8: No, No, because it's been on in the sports department

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Speaker 2: Is that also because Matt Heath has been talking about him?

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Speaker 10: No notice?

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Speaker 7: Because we work in the sports department. It's live international

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Speaker 7: sports on so he put on. I don't care, but

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Speaker 7: as soon as I buy into it, I'm excited by it.

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Speaker 7: I used to watch baseball back in the day when

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Speaker 7: I was a lot younger, when jose Consakas was there,

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Speaker 7: It was a freak show. It was like a michelin

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Speaker 7: It was really really but the beer was phenomenally expensive.

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Speaker 8: It was good beer, though I might.

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Speaker 7: It was a craft beer out of San Francisco. I

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Speaker 7: Don't you need to go to the bathroom anyway, I'm going.

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Speaker 8: It's the first derby in the A League. Oh wow,

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Speaker 8: That should be a big one again.

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Speaker 8: We can run with three five, that's a go the

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Speaker 2: to be back this evening seven o'clock for Sports Talk

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Speaker 2: four twenty three.

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Speaker 3: Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duper c Allen Drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and us talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be twenty five passed full listen we got the

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Speaker 2: first official report into why the Artiteta beached itself on

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Speaker 2: the AX, the Transport Accident Investigation Commission. We're just going

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Speaker 2: to call them, what should we call them, tai C

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Speaker 2: or title take, I don't know anyway. One of those

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Speaker 2: And you know who I'm talking about now. It confirms

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Speaker 2: to be fair a lot of the stuff you already know,

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Speaker 2: thanks to whoever eleaked it, and thank you to whoever

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Speaker 2: But there is a lot of other stuff in here,

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Speaker 2: What we didn't know was that in charge that night

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Speaker 2: Somebody else was piloting the ship. It was It was

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Speaker 2: was distracted while old my over here, who's learning how

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Speaker 2: After prison for five seconds, none of them know this fact.

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Speaker 2: We don't know why they don't know this fact. That

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Speaker 2: hasn't been answered. First question unanswered, Second question unanswered. Still

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Speaker 2: don't know whether somebody left to go and get a

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Speaker 12: Here's another answered question. Ever, is a Nightmaster the coolest

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Speaker 13: Or what?

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Speaker 10: You know?

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Speaker 2: What it sounds like? A yeah, John Snow, doesn't it

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Speaker 2: Did you not think Game of Thrones?

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Speaker 12: Like superheroes and stuff?

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Speaker 2: I was thinking, oh yeah, okay, you went superhero I

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Speaker 2: Murray olds with us shortly and the headline's next.

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Speaker 1: The All Blacks are looking to end the year on

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Speaker 1: a high as they attempt to dominate the Northern Hemisphere.

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Speaker 15: What test match we have seen?

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Speaker 3: First half? It's England at the home of Rugby twicket It.

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Speaker 3: Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 4: Gang members infuriates me, makes me so angry, and I

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Speaker 4: don't think harsher sentences are going to stop them.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the gang patch ban is going to

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Speaker 3: Labor government and national government?

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Speaker 12: Pretty scary on public transport, particularly in Auckland. Do we

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Speaker 2: minutes time. Hey yeah, so Mike King interesting divided opinion

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Speaker 2: on him, Heather, I can't believe the blow up that

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Speaker 2: has happened over your interview with Mike King. The way

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Speaker 2: annoyed that he called out Jacinda Hither. I like Mike,

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Speaker 2: but his comments, yes that they were harmful and irresponsible.

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Speaker 2: vulnerable people. Labour's response is equally irresponsible. We need to

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Speaker 2: at the bigger picture. In New Zealand. We've actually asked

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Speaker 2: they really do want to pull the funding for gun

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Speaker 2: boot Friday? You got them, Laura. We're still standing by

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Speaker 2: to fight. What's their problem? They can't get a hold

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Speaker 2: of Ingrid? Is it Ingrid Lary? Is Ingrid Leary the

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Speaker 2: Get Ginny? Just get Ginny to send a tweet to Ingrid?

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Speaker 2: figure it out between themselves. Come on, Ingrid, you know

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Speaker 2: you come and talk to us about it. We have

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Speaker 2: a little chat about that. Twenty one away from five.

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on news Talks. It'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Former speech rider for Barack Obama says Joe Biden's garbage

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Speaker 2: com means of creating a problem for Kamala Harris's campaign.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is clearly having a lot of fun with it.

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Speaker 2: He's been parading around in a garbage truck today. David

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Speaker 2: told the BBC that he agrees with commentators such as

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Speaker 2: well myself that Biden wasn't actually trying to say that

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Speaker 2: all Trump supporters a trash.

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Speaker 11: Basically, the White House argues and it seems if you

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Speaker 11: just read what he said, this seems pretty accurate that

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Speaker 11: he was talking about one person rather than all of

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Speaker 11: Donald Trump's supporters. Even so, obviously, the Harris campaign was

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Speaker 11: not hoping that you and I and our panel here

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Speaker 11: would be discussing Joe Biden today. They were hoping to

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Speaker 11: be looking at Donald Trump and Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: The UK government has announced tax increases of more than

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Speaker 2: eighty seven billion New Zealand dollars. Capital gains tax and

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Speaker 2: the National Insurance payroll tax for businesses are both going up.

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Speaker 2: And here's the Chancellor of Rachel Reeves.

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Speaker 19: This government was given a mandate to restore stability to

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Speaker 19: our economy and to begin a decade of national renewal,

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Speaker 19: and I.

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Speaker 3: Know that we can achieve it.

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Speaker 2: And finally, scientists and Argentina have discovered the oldest fossilized

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Speaker 2: tadpole ever found. Now, this particular tadpole died and was

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Speaker 2: preserved one hundred and sixty million years ago. For context,

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Speaker 2: that's about one hundred million years before even the t

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Speaker 2: rex has existed. Now, I know what you're thinking, like,

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Speaker 2: how did you even find a tadpole? The things are tiny,

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Speaker 2: not this one. This one is the size of about

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Speaker 2: a tennis ball with an eight centimeter long tail. So

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Speaker 2: as far as tadpoles go, pretty big.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Murray Old Ozzie correspondents with us now heymus.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Heather okay?

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Speaker 2: Has Alba made the situation better or worse? Would you reckon?

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Speaker 13: Well? He his office says he's never sought upgrades with

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Speaker 13: personal phone calls that to the Quada's boss of the day,

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Speaker 13: Allen Joyce, nor with anyone else in the company, and

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Speaker 13: the office of Albanezi hopes that's where it's going to land.

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Speaker 10: Peter Dutton Grant's down way. He get across the national.

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Speaker 13: Newspapers and television urging alban Easy to refer himself to

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Speaker 13: the National Anti Corruption watched on for goodness sake, the

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Speaker 13: National Anti Corruption Commission over his relationship with Alan Joyce

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Speaker 13: and also the decision last year had to block Qatar

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Speaker 13: Airways form making many more flights to and from Australia.

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Speaker 13: The opposition is trying to say the cozy relationship that

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Speaker 13: Albanezi enjoyed with Alan Joyce and Quadas in terms of

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Speaker 13: getting upgrades that was repaid by blocking a rival carrier

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Speaker 13: from coming in. I mean any criminal conduct, No, any

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Speaker 13: breach of ministerial guidelines. Well, not that I can see.

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Speaker 13: But is it a good look? Of course it's not.

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Speaker 13: And does it pass the pub test? We said the

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Speaker 13: other day though it doesn't. But all of a sudden,

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Speaker 13: you've got people on the opposition over here. Bridget mackenzie

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Speaker 13: is one of the National's heavyweights. She's having to go back.

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Speaker 6: Shit.

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Speaker 10: No, I've never had an upgrade all of a sudden

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Speaker 10: yesterday she has a Yes.

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Speaker 13: In fact, I've had many upgrades of But I'm going

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Speaker 13: to order my flight details.

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Speaker 10: We'll good on you.

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Speaker 9: They all do it.

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Speaker 13: Alban easy Steadfast saying I did nothing wrong, Nona, but

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Speaker 13: made I don't know where the Mop's going to flop

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Speaker 13: on this.

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Speaker 10: It's just a bad, bad looker.

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Speaker 2: Answer something for me, muss. Did Elbow get upgrades?

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Speaker 10: Apparently?

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Speaker 13: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So how did he get upgrades if he didn't

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Speaker 2: ask anyone in quantus for upgrades? How did that happen?

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Speaker 13: Well, you know, he was the shadow Transport Minister, then

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Speaker 13: he was the Transport Minister, then he wasn't he was

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Speaker 13: back shadow again after the government lost.

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Speaker 2: This is bs This is bs muss because on his

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Speaker 2: kind of dime, he would absolutely be buying himself a

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Speaker 2: nice little ticket, right. The only reason you buy yourself

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Speaker 2: an economy ticket if you were hemmer, is because you

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Speaker 2: know you're going to get an upgrade.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, but we're talking here about you know, not personal flights,

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Speaker 13: about business, about you know, MP flights.

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Speaker 2: Oh right, are they always economy? Are they?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 13: Allegedly, but look, it's it's absolutely opaque. They don't want

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Speaker 13: the pledgs like me to look aside and see the

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Speaker 13: perks they're on.

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Speaker 9: They never touched it.

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Speaker 10: They never touched their wallets for anything.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing does It's weird, isn't it weird that

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Speaker 2: he took so long though to deny that he asked

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Speaker 2: for any upgrades, Like why did he do that?

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Speaker 13: I mean it's look, he is just honestly, he's he's

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Speaker 13: like he's being diminished every day that he puts his

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Speaker 13: melon up with another high versvest on making yet more excuses.

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Speaker 10: He just looks. It looks terrible.

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Speaker 2: It really does. Most Thanks mate, we have to leave

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Speaker 2: it there. Appreciate it. Murray's Australia correspondent Barry Soapers with

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Speaker 2: US next sixteen Away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centrics Credit check your customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: Barry Soper SENI your political correspondence with.

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Speaker 9: US Now, Hey Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Right, So what do you make of the kafuffle around

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Speaker 2: Mike King's comment?

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Speaker 9: Well, look, I heard Mike on with You yesterday and

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Speaker 9: it did surprise me when he started talking about alcohol.

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Speaker 9: But what he seemed to be saying, in my view

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Speaker 9: I had listen back to it is that alcohol delays

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Speaker 9: or prevents the suicide trigger, and it pacifies the drinker

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Speaker 9: until other mental health levers can be pulled. That's what

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Speaker 9: he seemed to be saying. And he had done it himself.

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Speaker 9: I mean, he's an alcoholic, and you know he was

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Speaker 9: suicidal at times in his life and alcohol helped him

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Speaker 9: through those periods. So I know it's not conventional wisdom.

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Speaker 9: If you look at the University of Otago professor Rose Crossing,

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Speaker 9: she said, there is certainly a link between alcohol and depression.

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Speaker 9: I don't think anybody would argue with that, but it's

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Speaker 9: the trigger for suicide that Mike King was talking about.

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Speaker 9: And I must say, you know, I know Mike King

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Speaker 9: reasonably well, and he is outspoken, he sees what he thinks,

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Speaker 9: and at times probably he does step over the mark.

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Speaker 9: But for the Labor Party and Ingrid Lary, I'm surprised

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Speaker 9: she's not coming on because she used to be a broadcaster,

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Speaker 9: so she's.

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Speaker 2: This is what we just got this news through from

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Speaker 2: from Laura, the producer who just said that the Labor

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Speaker 2: Party and Ingrid Larry have declined to come on the show.

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Speaker 2: Did they say, why Laura is she not available?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 9: No, they're so busy in recess here that No.

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Speaker 2: Ingrid is very busy, don't you know. I don't quite

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Speaker 2: know what she's busy with, but it's something. But come on, Ingrid,

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Speaker 2: I mean, how can you put out a press release,

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Speaker 2: How can you put out a press release, whether you're

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Speaker 2: right or wrong, calling for funding to be pulled from

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Speaker 2: an organization that actually does help kids with mental health

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Speaker 2: issues because you're angry at the guy who's made a

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Speaker 2: comment and then not so you put that out there

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Speaker 2: for everybody, But then you don't want to come on

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Speaker 2: and defend it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 9: The argument is, she says, can I ever say to

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Speaker 9: continue to fund gumboot Friday sends a message to young

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Speaker 9: people that alcohol use is a recognized treatment for mental

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Speaker 9: health issues. Well, to me, she's got it totally what

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Speaker 9: he's saying. If she believes that, then she should come

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Speaker 9: on the progress to explain he she is an ideate.

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Speaker 2: Clear, she's an idiot because saying stuff like this. So

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Speaker 2: what we're so the message she's sending younger people is

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Speaker 2: that absolutely she's going to pull all assistance for them

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Speaker 2: through this particular charity because she's going to punish the

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Speaker 2: guy who's running the thing.

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Speaker 9: And the point is about the fund. It's twenty four

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Speaker 9: million dollars and I know he struggled off the Labor

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Speaker 9: Party and the government to get money. The twenty four

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Speaker 9: million isn't one lump sum payment. It's over four years,

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Speaker 9: so six million dollars a year. It doesn't go into

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Speaker 9: Mike King's account in the Gunboot Friday account. It actually

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Speaker 9: goes into the Ministry of Health account and then they

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Speaker 9: after they've used counseling services for the young people, then

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Speaker 9: they apply.

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Speaker 2: To the Ministry of her I'm just going to take

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Speaker 2: a shue with something that you said. Though while Mike

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Speaker 2: King did speak about his own personal experience, and I

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Speaker 2: don't think we can argue with him on that. He

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Speaker 2: did actually say alcohol is not a problem for people

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Speaker 2: with mental health, it's the solution. And that is a

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Speaker 2: factually incorrecttion. Well, I think is proticly just no.

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Speaker 9: I heard that he probably overstepped the mark here because,

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Speaker 9: like you and like me on radio, sometimes Hither he

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Speaker 9: gets quite excitable.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, listen, Jinny Anderson. So she finally fronted up

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Speaker 2: and apologized for talking about the King's bits. She's sorry

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Speaker 2: enough for you.

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Speaker 9: Well, I find an extraordinary if you look at the

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Speaker 9: meme that she reposted on her Instagram account, there were

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Speaker 9: four lines to it, and she said she hadn't taken

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Speaker 9: time to read it properly or read it for goodness sake.

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Speaker 9: She's either a very slow reader or she doesn't understand

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Speaker 9: what it meant. I think that's probably closer to the truth.

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Speaker 9: But look, it's an embarrassment for her.

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Speaker 2: Barry, you'd have to be particularly dim not to understand

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Speaker 2: what that meant. Oh, it was pretty clear what it means.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, and heither, there's a new word in the vocabulary

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Speaker 9: for you. It's it's a portomanteau. Yes, yes, and that's

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Speaker 9: sort of a new word for you, Barry. Well, yes, no,

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Speaker 9: I opened, yeah, yeah, I had to look it up.

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Speaker 9: But look, what is it about the Labor Party and pents?

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Speaker 9: You remember back in two thousand and two, poor old

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Speaker 9: Helen Clark got taken taken to the cleaners, if you like,

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Speaker 9: for wearing trousers at a state banquet for the Queen.

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Speaker 9: This is twenty two years ago and all Hall had

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Speaker 9: broken this. And she also sat down before the Queen

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Speaker 9: at the State Bank. When I was there, I didn't

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Speaker 9: notice anything was terribly out of order, but it blew

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Speaker 9: up in her face that she had disrespected loyalty. Apparently

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Speaker 9: they are meant to taste the soup first. Well that's

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Speaker 9: the food taste is no doubt tastes the soup before

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Speaker 9: it even gets to the table.

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Speaker 2: There's a tiny part of me that loves the Labour

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Speaker 2: Party's of reverence when it comes to the royals. Very appreciated,

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Speaker 2: very sober senior political correspondent eight away from.

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Speaker 1: Five putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic

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Speaker 1: asking breakfasts.

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Speaker 20: An alarming, if not shocking figures around our public transport

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Speaker 20: in Auckland. We now know they are dealing with more

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Speaker 20: than ninety three incidents a week in terms of security issues.

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Speaker 20: What's being done about this is the mirror of Auckland.

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Speaker 20: There's Wayne Brown of course as well.

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Speaker 21: As it's probably a reflection of society unfortunately, or in

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Speaker 21: the Pavie yesterday the shocking numbers of the kids who

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Speaker 21: aren't going none of them are going angry to be

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Speaker 21: tradesmen or doctors. That's writing as well. So there is

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Speaker 21: an issue right across the whole society. Transport is reflecting

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Speaker 21: it and they want to draw that's about them increasing

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Speaker 21: their aercentage of people on kitching transport, which is good

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Speaker 21: that more people are getting on busters and more of

663
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Speaker 21: the wrong people as well as the right people as well.

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Speaker 18: Obviously, back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast

665
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Speaker 18: with the rain Drover, the Law News talk.

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Speaker 2: ZB fight Away from five Heather, you both could get

667
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Speaker 2: into trouble in this interview for calling people an idiot. Look,

668
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Speaker 2: thank you allie. Look that was about hush. I acknowledge

669
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Speaker 2: it was a bit harsh. It's not my mum said

670
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Speaker 2: to me, don't say things like that when I used

671
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Speaker 2: to when I was like five years old, and I

672
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Speaker 2: call people in the it. She said, don't use that words,

673
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Speaker 2: so I shouldn't use that word, and I'm sorry for that. However, however,

674
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Speaker 2: I do stand by the sentiment. Come on, you can't

675
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Speaker 2: be Ingrid Leary and say that it's okay and call

676
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Speaker 2: for the pulling of mental health funding because you cross

677
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Speaker 2: with the guy who made a comment which is going

678
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Speaker 2: to directly affect young people up and down this country.

679
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Speaker 2: You can't play political political games with mental health funding

680
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Speaker 2: and they not want to talk about it like you

681
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Speaker 2: are a person of low intelligence if you do that,

682
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Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Or you'd have a

683
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Speaker 2: better bloody great excuse, like right at that minute, you're

684
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Speaker 2: getting a wax job or something that is very important,

685
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Speaker 2: like equally important, do you know what I mean? Anyway, Well,

686
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Speaker 2: we'll see if Ingrid Front's up to talk to us

687
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Speaker 2: at some stage. Listen, we've got to talk about the

688
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Speaker 2: Travis Scott concert at Eden Park. WHOA, that was wild

689
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Speaker 2: last night. You will have seen the footage were they're

690
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Speaker 2: just like, look, I was expecting this to happen because

691
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Speaker 2: the same same thing happened in Sydney. We kids started

692
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Speaker 2: fighting with each other and as we were discussing on

693
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Speaker 2: the show yesterday. I mean, people have died in a

694
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Speaker 2: Travis Scott concert before, but it was while to what

695
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Speaker 2: should happened at Eden Park. All of a sudden, the

696
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Speaker 2: crowd would just open up with this massive circle of

697
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Speaker 2: like no you know, with people surrounding it, and these

698
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Speaker 2: kids would just be getting into fights and punching each

699
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Speaker 2: other and carrying on. Now, I have a suspicion that

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Speaker 2: at least some of that, not all of it, but

701
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Speaker 2: at least some of it was organized where they were

702
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Speaker 2: bored and so they started punching each other because a

703
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Speaker 2: couple of the kids actually hugged after their punch up,

704
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Speaker 2: so it didn't look like there was agro involved it,

705
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Speaker 2: just like they were bored, which is the I think

706
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Speaker 2: this is a Travis Scott and an organizer problem because

707
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Speaker 2: I think the gates opened at something like five o'clock

708
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Speaker 2: or thereabouts. I don't know what time they opened, but

709
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Speaker 2: that guy was not on stage, and by the way,

710
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Speaker 2: he sucked. We'll talk about the reviews later. He was

711
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Speaker 2: not on stage until nine o'clock right and in between,

712
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Speaker 2: So that whole time leading up to nine o'clock, no

713
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Speaker 2: opening acts, just a DJ who played for honestly about

714
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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. So you just had people standing there for

715
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Speaker 2: literally hours on end, bored out of their minds. That

716
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Speaker 2: was badly That was badly done by Travis Scott. Anyway,

717
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Speaker 2: we'll deal with the review later on in the program.

718
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Speaker 2: Next up, let's talk to inter Island about what happened

719
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Speaker 2: on the boat that ran into the sand. News Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's hither duple see Ellen drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: let's get connected.

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Speaker 3: News Talk said, be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon, So we finally got the official account of why

725
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Speaker 2: the Artis had a ferry ran onto that beach near

726
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Speaker 2: Pecton in June. Turns out it is basically what we

727
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Speaker 2: had already heard. The autopilot took the vessel off in

728
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Speaker 2: the wrong direction and nobody on board knew how to

729
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Speaker 2: disable the autopilot.

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Speaker 3: What we have established is that.

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Speaker 22: They did not know that they had to hold the

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Speaker 22: button down, nor were they aware that they did not know.

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Speaker 2: Duncan Roy is the Inter Islanders executive general manager. Hey, Duncan, Hi,

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Speaker 2: Heather good to be back, Duncan.

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Speaker 14: Listen.

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Speaker 2: Everything goes wrong when the refound master, who's the chap

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Speaker 2: who is learning the boat again presses the autopilot more

738
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Speaker 2: than thirty seconds too late. Why did that happen?

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Speaker 17: So you'll notice today that take put out a list

740
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Speaker 17: of statements of facts. One of the things they didn't

741
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Speaker 17: do was make comment on why that button was pushed,

742
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Speaker 17: because they have an ongoing investigation and I'm not going

743
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Speaker 17: to comment on that either. What I can say is

744
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Speaker 17: that the ship did move to starboard in the era,

745
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Speaker 17: and after that they went through the process of regaining

746
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Speaker 17: control and they couldn't do that immediately, and then they

747
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Speaker 17: went through another series of their processes to slow the

748
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Speaker 17: ship down and attempt to stop it before it ground slowly.

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Speaker 2: The chap who was actually in charge the nightmaster, was

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Speaker 2: he properly supervising the refam master when he presses the

751
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Speaker 2: button too late?

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Speaker 10: Totally.

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Speaker 17: The nightmaster is in control of the bridge and he

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Speaker 17: had the appropriate people on the bridge with him. He

755
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Speaker 17: was refaming another master. We do that so they can

756
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Speaker 17: maintain currency as they move around the ships. This is

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Speaker 17: accepted practice and was normal prep normal.

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Speaker 2: Because it just sounds like what's probably happened to he

759
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Speaker 2: is they're having a little chat about how the boat

760
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Speaker 2: works and they chat for thirty seconds too long as

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Speaker 2: the button gets pressed too late.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, no, when they.

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Speaker 17: When the button was pushed in the ship moved to starboard.

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Speaker 17: You know, large ships take time to change course. It

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Speaker 17: was an unexpected turn. It's at night, so that's an

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Speaker 17: understandable timeline to react to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the button was pressed too late.

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Speaker 10: The button was pressed in the error.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it wasn't supposed to be pressed at all.

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Speaker 10: No, the button was pressed and the ship changed direction

771
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Speaker 10: to startard.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't they know that they had to press the

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Speaker 2: disabled button for five seconds at least to disable the autopilot.

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Speaker 17: That is the key question that we're looking at now

775
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Speaker 17: that we've got the Oaritary back into service. He's done

776
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Speaker 17: three hundred and sixty four sailings, including three today, So

777
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Speaker 17: frustrating this thing happened.

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Speaker 10: We are lucky.

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Speaker 2: Don't tell me you don't know what the answer to

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Speaker 2: that question is.

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Speaker 17: So they didn't know on the bridge, we didn't know.

782
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Speaker 17: An into island up working with the people that provided

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Speaker 17: us the service right now as we spect to work

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Speaker 17: out why we didn't know, Well, we have done those

785
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Speaker 17: We solved the problem immediately, so now we're working on

786
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Speaker 17: going forward and fixing this so it doesn't happen again.

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Speaker 10: Change.

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Speaker 2: How do you honestly, I mean, it's so basic, right,

789
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Speaker 2: It's a basic question of going to them and being like,

790
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Speaker 2: why didn't you know? Did we brief you? Like that's

791
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: a simple question. How in five months have you not

792
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Speaker 2: asked that question?

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Speaker 10: So I think I'll just repeat what I said.

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Speaker 2: Either they didn't know, we didn't know, So now I

795
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Speaker 2: didn't ask you why you didn't know?

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Speaker 10: So as take said today that they didn't know, they

797
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Speaker 10: didn't know.

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Speaker 17: So we've been We've received a new piece of equipment,

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Speaker 17: and we're working with the provider of the equipment to

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Speaker 17: figure out why.

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Speaker 10: Oh hold on, we run informed.

802
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Speaker 2: Are you telling me they didn't know? They had to

803
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Speaker 2: prece it for five seconds? But neither did anybody in

804
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Speaker 2: Into Islander.

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Speaker 10: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 17: We got a new piece of equipment, and there was

807
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Speaker 17: a very specific set of circumstances that me to that

808
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Speaker 17: required a five second over okay, for the eighty three

809
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 17: crossings prior to this. Yeah, the one press button worked

810
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 17: the day they arrived and picked in that day, they

811
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Speaker 17: pressed the button once to take control. It was only

812
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 17: when in this very particular set of circumstances where the

813
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 17: rudder was out of sync with the steering wheel that

814
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Speaker 17: you had to do a five second overall?

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Speaker 2: And are you telling me there and whoever provided this

816
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 2: equipment to inter Islander told no one in inter Islander

817
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Speaker 2: that in the specific set of circumstances you have to

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Speaker 2: press the button for five seconds. Like literally nobody knew.

819
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Speaker 10: We are working with that provider right now.

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Speaker 17: But are you telling me nobody takes as takes said

821
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Speaker 17: today a number of times. It's a very complex set

822
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Speaker 17: of the investigations that.

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Speaker 2: Nobody in Into Ireland and knew you had to press

824
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Speaker 2: it for five seconds.

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Speaker 17: Heather, if we'd known that you had to do it,

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Speaker 17: we would have done it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well you might have just been a communication problem,

828
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Speaker 2: but I get it. Did somebody go get a coffee?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we can put that.

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Speaker 17: To be right now, the right number of people on

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Speaker 17: the bridge doing their job professionally. No one left the

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Speaker 17: bridge to get coffee.

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Speaker 2: Duncan, thank you very much for answering the questions. Really

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Speaker 2: appreciate im it. There's Duncan roy Ter Island, a executive

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Speaker 2: general manager. Hever do for c ellens Well business optimism.

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Speaker 2: How good is this keeps growing. It's up five points

837
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Speaker 2: in October alone to sixty six points. Businesses are still

838
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: rating their own activity much lower though, at negative eleven,

839
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Speaker 2: but that's still at the highest level since March. Sharon

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Speaker 2: Zolner is A and z's chief economist and with us Hey, Sharon,

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Speaker 2: good evening. What do you put this optimism down to?

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00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: Is this basically the rate cuts?

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Speaker 23: I'd say so, I mean, when it boils down to it,

844
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Speaker 23: the slow down scene caused by higher interest rates. So

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00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 23: why wouldn't lower interest rates be the solution. There hasn't

846
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Speaker 23: been a lot else going on. There's obviously some fiscal

847
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Speaker 23: cutting that's hurting Wellington and the export markets in China.

848
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Speaker 23: Maybe answer great at the moment, but but overall the

849
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Speaker 23: slowdown has really been a result of interest rates. So

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Speaker 23: in that context, perhaps not surprising to see a fairly

851
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 23: enthusiastic response to rates.

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Speaker 2: Now, what are you seeing in the construction sector.

853
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Speaker 23: Well, that's a really interesting one because the construction sector

854
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 23: is by far the most sensitive to interest rates, and

855
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Speaker 23: it's just generally on a bigger rollercoaster than the rest

856
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Speaker 23: of the economy. It was booming the most in twenty

857
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Speaker 23: twenty one, but it's actually been the weakest since early

858
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Speaker 23: twenty twenty three in terms of what they are reporting

859
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Speaker 23: for experienced activity as opposed to their expectations. But they've

860
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Speaker 23: also had the biggest lift in that. So this isn't

861
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Speaker 23: just the hope and optimism looking forward that fewer construction

862
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 23: cerms are now reporting that they're less busy than a

863
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Speaker 23: year ago. They're still the majority, So you know, it's

864
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Speaker 23: still pretty tough times, absolutely, but things are just perhaps

865
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Speaker 23: starting to.

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Speaker 15: Look up a little.

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Speaker 2: What are you expecting in the unemployment numbers next week?

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Speaker 23: We're picking four point nine. There, reserve banks at five.

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Speaker 23: I've seen an estimate of five point one out there,

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00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 23: so we're all there or thereabouts. The number can surprise

871
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Speaker 23: us because it's impacted not only by how many people

872
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 23: are employed, but also by how many people are looking

873
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Speaker 23: for work, and that can actually jump around quite a bit,

874
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Speaker 23: so the details will matter. But we're all forecasting at

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Speaker 23: number around five, right.

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Speaker 2: Four point nine from you guys on the path to what.

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Speaker 23: We're picking around five and a half. That seems to

878
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Speaker 23: be the general expectation. There are some people picking that

879
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 23: could go as high as six. Hopefully not, but you know,

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Speaker 23: in the early nineteen nineties it went well into double digits.

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Speaker 23: But there in our survey too there was some good news,

882
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 23: employment intentions lifting strongly and actually firms reported past employment

883
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 23: also lifting again, still negative, but it does suggest that

884
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 23: perhaps the margin some ferns are choosing to keep their

885
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Speaker 23: staff in anticipation of better times.

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Speaker 3: Love it.

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00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great, hey, Sharon, thank you very much, appreciate it.

888
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: Sharon's on Ains's chief economists. Okay, we're going to live

889
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: in next because it looks like there may be a

890
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 2: back down coming on the berms. We'll get across that.

891
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 2: Fourteen past five. Hey, by now you've absolutely definitely heard

892
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: about the BYD Sharks six super Hybrid, having you. I mean,

893
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: this has been a long much anticipated weight but pre

894
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: orders officially and finally here, this one is going to

895
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: take a huge bite out of the New Zealand market.

896
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: If you've been thinking about making the switch over to

897
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Speaker 2: one of these game changers, don't wait around. The first

898
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: production run is just three hundred units and of those

899
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: only fifty are left to pre order. Now, these things

900
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 2: are going to arrive in the country in December for

901
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: test stripes. And let me tell you, once you get

902
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 2: behind the wheel to drive the BYD Shark six. These

903
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: things are going to fly out of the dealerships even quicker.

904
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: BYD have officially changed the game with this. The future

905
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Speaker 2: is electric and it is here now. The BYD Sharks

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Speaker 2: six Super Hybrid available to pre order now just sixty nine,

907
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Speaker 2: nine hundred and ninety dollars. But don't wait. Limited numbers

908
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: of the first arrivals will be snapped up really really quickly,

909
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: and this price is not going to be around forever either,

910
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Speaker 2: So go to BYD Auto dot Co dot z for

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Speaker 2: more and get in touch with your dealer tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Heather duper Clan eighteen past five.

913
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: Now listen, it looks like there might be a little

914
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: bit of a backdown coming on the Livin Boom saga.

915
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: You'll remember this. The councils stopped mowing the BOMs back

916
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: in July because they wanted to save some money, and

917
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 2: then naturally there was an outcry from residents, and then

918
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: yesterday the council voted to have another look at whether

919
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: they make the right call. Bernie London is the mayor

920
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 2: of Hatera Fenwa is with us. Now, Hey, Bernie, good afternoon, Heather.

921
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: What's the problem. Is it a good idea and winter

922
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 2: bad idea? In spring once the grass starts growing.

923
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 24: Look, we're just wanting to understand what the impacts of

924
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 24: cutting cutting out there service it means. It does not

925
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 24: mean that we are going to flip flop. All it

926
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 24: means is that we want to understand what has happened

927
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 24: since we stopped mowing burns. As you can understand, there

928
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 24: are some people that are a bit put out by

929
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 24: it all. But and so we just want to understand

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Speaker 24: what's going on.

931
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: Is the town starting to look a little rough look

932
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: in patches.

933
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 9: Yes it is.

934
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Speaker 24: There's been some good raying lately and a bit of warp.

935
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Speaker 24: So the booms are growing this, but we're also seeing.

936
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Speaker 2: Is this in parts of town where people like are

937
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: not mowing the booms? Is that what's up? Some parts

938
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: are nice, yeah, lotle are making it effort, and other

939
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: parts are not so nice. Yeah, that's right.

940
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Speaker 10: It is that case.

941
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Speaker 24: And look, we've got towns in villages, especially Fox and Shannon,

942
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Speaker 24: where they have very big booms, and that has causing

943
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Speaker 24: some issues, especially with some of those that aren't physically

944
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Speaker 24: able or don't have the capacity to be able to

945
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Speaker 24: mow their booms. So look, we just want to understand

946
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Speaker 24: those issues and try and I suppose work out a

947
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Speaker 24: plan that we may be able to accommodate.

948
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Speaker 2: That is this also a case of people only really

949
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: realizing what's happening once it's happening, Like they didn't know

950
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Speaker 2: beforehand before you guys made this decision that this was

951
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: on the cards, but once it started to kind of

952
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: get a bit of traction in the media, they got upset.

953
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Speaker 2: Is that what happened exactly?

954
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Speaker 24: So this was part of our cost saving measures put

955
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Speaker 24: into our long term plane.

956
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Speaker 10: We had eighty eight.

957
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Speaker 24: Percent of the people that responded to our long term

958
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Speaker 24: plan ticked the box where they said that they wanted

959
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 24: those savings to be made. Of course, now that we've

960
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Speaker 24: seen the impact of that, they're kicking up a fuss.

961
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Speaker 2: Now, Bernie, how do we get around this right? Because

962
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: what the speaks to is the lack of engagement in

963
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Speaker 2: local government just by your average ratepayers. So do you

964
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 2: guys need to make more of an effort to get

965
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: it out there what you're planning to do before you

966
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Speaker 2: do it?

967
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Speaker 24: Well, we try our best. Honestly, we've had more public

968
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Speaker 24: engagement and more meetings Facebook Live post the whole lot,

969
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 24: you know. I mean we try our best to engage

970
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 24: with the community as best we can. Obviously with a

971
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Speaker 24: long tim plan, there's a probably thirty issues that they

972
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 24: need to deal with and this one may have fallen

973
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 24: through the cracks and people not understood exactly what was

974
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Speaker 24: going on.

975
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Speaker 2: All right, Bernie, Hey, it's good to talk to you, mate,

976
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, appreciate it. It's Bunny Wondon. What

977
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: if it is there here? The ask dun can wear

978
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: the coffee machine on the vessel is because you'll find

979
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: it's on the bridge. So what that means is no

980
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Speaker 2: one had to leave the bridge to get a coffee.

981
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Speaker 2: Do you get it look possibility? Because I didn't think

982
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 2: to ask that question, because I didn't think that that

983
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: was a possibility. Well we've got the final report coming out,

984
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 2: and surely surely that will be answered in that final

985
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: report because coffee is the main issue heres. You can

986
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: tell five to twenty one the name you trust to

987
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: get the answers you need.

988
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: Heather duples ce allan drive with one New Zealand let's

989
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: get connected and news talk as.

990
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: They'd be twenty four past five. Listen, I don't love

991
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: in New Zealand at the moment. I mean, I love

992
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: the cabin crew, I always do. They are always awesome,

993
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: but the airline probably, like you pretty grumpy at them

994
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: for the prices they charge. I don't want to tell

995
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: you what I paid for prices recently for flights recently,

996
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: just in case my husband's still listening, but it was

997
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: basically the equivalent of a central city rates bill. Oh,

998
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: is a lot of money for flights. So you would expect,

999
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: given that I don't love in New Zealand at the moment,

1000
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: that I would have a lot of sympathy for consuming

1001
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: New Zealand's call for a market study to deal with

1002
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: their New Zealand's quote virtual monopoly. But I don't because

1003
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 2: this is just gonna be a waste of good money

1004
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: as well. What good is a market study?

1005
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 23: Right?

1006
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: What if we do a market study, what good is

1007
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: it gonna do? What is it going to tell us

1008
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: that we don't already know? I mean, we already know

1009
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 2: that there's a competition problem here. We already know that

1010
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: they have a monopoly in some parts of the country

1011
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: because in New Zealand is the only airline that flies

1012
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 2: into some parts of the country that is the definition

1013
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 2: of a monopoly. You don't need a market study to

1014
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: tell you that. We know they charge too much for

1015
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: some flights. We don't have evidence of that, but common

1016
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: sense would dictate that if you've got no competition, then

1017
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 2: you can charge what you want and you will push it.

1018
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: They have no competition, they can charge what they want.

1019
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: In some parts of the country, they're probably pushing it.

1020
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: Prices suggests they are so when the market still study

1021
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: tells us inevitably, if we were to do it what

1022
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: we already know, what are we gonna do? Then what

1023
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: are we gonna do? Are we gonna tell them how

1024
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: much they can charge us? Who's gonna do that job?

1025
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: Who's gonna sit there calculating with the seventh last seat

1026
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 2: on the eleven to ten flight from Auckland to Wellington

1027
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: on a Monday is allowed to be sold at and

1028
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: are they going to do that for the sixth last

1029
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: seat as well, and then the fifth last seat and

1030
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: all the way through the last seat. Are they going

1031
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: to calculate all of those prices? The best argument for

1032
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: the market study that Consumer New Zealand mounted today is

1033
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: that basically, we may need to find out why we

1034
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: have a competition problem, why is that other airlines don't

1035
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 2: want to take on these routes? But I actually don't

1036
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: think we need a market study for that. I mean,

1037
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: I think quite simply the Minister, if he wants to

1038
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: fix this, can just phone up some potential competitors and

1039
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: find out why they're not doing it, what the problem

1040
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: is there? You get your answer. I don't like paying

1041
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: Air New Zealand's exorbitant rates any more than you do.

1042
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: But I also do not like wasting tax payer money

1043
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: and officials time, which is basically tax payer money again,

1044
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: doing a market study just so that you consume a

1045
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: New Zealand can keep on a campaign that's obviously working

1046
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: very well for them. I mean, I think we're already

1047
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: wasting enough money on the Air New Zealand tickets and

1048
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: wasting one lot of money on Air New Zealand is

1049
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: frankly enough for me.

1050
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: Thanks Heather Duplice, Ellen Mike King's.

1051
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: Comments, We're going to have a chat to an alcohol

1052
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 2: or a psychologist, psychological researcher after headlines, which is coming

1053
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 2: up very shortly, stand by for that obviously. Can imagine

1054
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: I can imagine that they don't love it. Travis Scott.

1055
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: Now I got a text you saying here that the

1056
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: mount Eden concert last night was extra loud and the

1057
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: base shook my house in epsom mount Eden, louder than

1058
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 2: the Rugby World Cup final. But pleased for the funds

1059
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: that brought into Auckland and the new roof will help

1060
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 2: keep a little on at age. Tell you what, I'm

1061
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: never gonna buy myself at Travis Scott album. I am

1062
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: never going to listen to any Travis Scott ever in

1063
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: my life again, because that was horrific. I stood there going,

1064
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: how the hell does this guy make any money off

1065
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: this nonsense coming out of his mouth right now? Definitely,

1066
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 2: what happened I think was that I realized, absolutely, with

1067
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind last night for the first time,

1068
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: that I am now old, because I feel like I

1069
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: had the same experience that my mum would have had

1070
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: when I was listening to Doctor Dre when I was

1071
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: a teenager.

1072
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 6: She was like, what is this?

1073
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: There is no tune. That's what I did last night.

1074
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: I was like, what is this tune? You're just yelling

1075
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: Year into the microphone. It's very loud. I can't hear

1076
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: anything other than Year, and there's a lot of auto

1077
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 2: tuning and clicking. Anyway, you missed nothing. I mean it

1078
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 2: was it was quite interesting though, But he's rubbish, isn't he. Anyway,

1079
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: I'll give you some reviews later in the program. Man

1080
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Speaker 2: Headline's next.

1081
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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1082
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Here the dup of

1083
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Speaker 1: c Allen Drive with one New Zealand.

1084
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

1085
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 2: Hey, the huddle standing by this evening. We have got

1086
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: the lovely Commandalor and the lovely Alie Jones with us.

1087
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: Also also, wildest wildest idea of the day has come

1088
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 2: from Mayor Brown. When I say Wayne Brown, obviously Mayor

1089
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: of Auckland. When I say wild idea, I don't mean

1090
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: wild as in like wild and stupid. And why are

1091
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: you suggesting that wild as in ooh that's wild?

1092
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 3: That could work.

1093
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: I could be interested in that. So I'm going to

1094
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Speaker 2: get you across that. It's basically got to do with

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Speaker 2: us flying to Brazil and making a ton of money

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Speaker 2: off it. I'll explain to you when I get a

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00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: chance in just a minute, and we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about it. After six It's twenty four away from sex.

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Speaker 3: Either duel now.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday, Mike King made this comment on our show about

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Speaker 2: alcohol and it's linked to mental health.

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Speaker 4: Alcohol is not a problem for people with mental health issues.

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Speaker 4: It's actually the solution to our problem. It stops those thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Mike is standing by that comment. Today, labor has reacted badly,

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Speaker 2: calling for the funding for gun Boot Friday to pause.

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Speaker 2: Professor Joe Boden is from the University of Otago's Department

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Speaker 2: of Psychological Medicine.

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Speaker 3: Hey Joe, Hi, how are you? I'm very well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? Now, I mean, obviously that statement is factually incorrect,

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Speaker 2: right because alcohol is a problem for people with mental

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Speaker 2: health issues, isn't it?

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Speaker 5: It absolutely is.

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Speaker 15: There Really research shows very strong linkages between, for example,

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Speaker 15: alcohol and major depression and alcohol and side risk.

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00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: Has He got a point when he says, though, that

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00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: for some people it provides a form of escape from

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Speaker 2: the thoughts that they're having.

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Speaker 15: I think there's there's some evidence that suggests that one

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00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 15: of the things that alcohol helps with is this idea

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Speaker 15: of cognitive narrowing that it is that makes you sort

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00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 15: of think about less things. So in a sense it

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Speaker 15: might work temporarily. The difficulty is is that it is

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Speaker 15: actually a depressant. It's a nervous system depressant, and so

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Speaker 15: it is actually likely to cause feelings of depression and

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Speaker 15: then low low mood and those sorts of things. So

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Speaker 15: really any sort of temporary benefit is offset by the

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Speaker 15: adverse effects.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree with Labor that he should lose his funding?

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Speaker 15: Look, I'm not the person who decides who decides these things,

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Speaker 15: but it's to me it's a it's not a very

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00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 15: good look for the for the spokesperson for this particular

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00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 15: for this particular endeavor to be you know, spouting misinformation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are you cross about it?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 15: More trust than I am about a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: Because the reason I asked that question is because I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: this is his opinion, and I get that, you know,

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Speaker 2: from from my perspective, from your perspective, it is not

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00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: factually correct in its totality. But I don't really understand

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Speaker 2: why why everybody's so cross about it. That's why I'm

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00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: asking you if you'll cross about it.

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Speaker 15: Well, look, we're talking about something that a substance that,

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00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 15: when when misused, it can very well increase suicide risks.

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Speaker 15: So really it's it's at cross purposes to what he

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Speaker 15: is endeavoring to be on about it to reduce suicide.

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Speaker 15: That reduces the suicide right, and in fact, one of

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Speaker 15: the things that would really be particularly helpful in reducing

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Speaker 15: the suicide the rate is reducing the overall level of

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00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 15: alcohol consumption and the population. So I think that that

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00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 15: it is a it's an irresponsible kind of comment in

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Speaker 15: this particular context.

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Speaker 2: Joe, it's good to talk to you. Thanks very much

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Speaker 2: for your expertise. It's Professor Joe Boden, University of Otarget,

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Speaker 2: Department of Psychological Medicine. It's coming up twenty away from.

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Speaker 1: Six the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, local

1156
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: and global exposure like no other.

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00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: And on the huddle with me this evening, we've got

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Speaker 2: Clear Delare journalist and Ali Jones have read pr Hello

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00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: you too, Hello there, Hi Claire. What do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: Should the funding be pulled?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 25: I don't think it should be pulled.

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00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 26: I think they should always be measured on results and

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00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 26: they should be held accountable, and that includes Mike King.

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00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 25: I think he needs to be told.

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00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 26: Stan is Lane fronting at is good if alcohol somehow

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Speaker 26: has helped him in the past.

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Speaker 25: That's very much at variance.

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Speaker 2: Trouble, Jobble is this is his lane, isn't it. I

1170
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: mean he's talking about his experience.

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Speaker 26: He's talking about his personal experience, but it is not

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Speaker 26: the accepted wisdom. Most of the recovering and recovered alcoholics

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00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 26: I know say they have never found an answer at

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00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 26: the bottom of an em wine bottle.

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Speaker 25: So I do think the clinical evidence is in. It

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Speaker 25: is a depressant. It doesn't help people long.

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Speaker 2: Term low as inhibitions, So you're actually more likely to

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Speaker 2: do the bad thing, aren't you.

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Speaker 26: Absolutely Have any of us ever made really wise decisions

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Speaker 26: at let's say one in the morning with a skinful No.

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Speaker 2: We have not, Or even the next day when you're

1182
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 2: feeling mildly depressed and anxious as a result of it,

1183
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: or you have a terrible.

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Speaker 26: Hangover and you make a bad decision the next day,

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Speaker 26: which god include driving while.

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Speaker 25: Still under you know, with the blood alcohol and you're

1187
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 25: still high.

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Speaker 2: Ally, what do you reckon? Oh, I've got nothing really

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Speaker 2: to add to that.

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Speaker 27: I think you're absolutely right, Claire. I mean my experience

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Speaker 27: is at alcohol and depression doesn't mix. You know, I

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Speaker 27: haven't heard the interview in its entirety, and so I

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Speaker 27: don't want to sort of comment on that. And I'm

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Speaker 27: certainly not an expert on alcohol. You spoke to Joe

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Speaker 27: just before, Heather, and he's that expert. But I don't

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Speaker 27: know anyone who has had mental health issues for whom

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Speaker 27: alcohol has helped. In fact, as we've heard and as

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Speaker 27: Claire said, it just makes things. Have you heard about,

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Speaker 27: you know, the depressive blues the day after a binge.

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Speaker 27: They are called that for a reason. So yeah, I

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Speaker 27: look it thought. I don't want to criticize Mike King

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Speaker 27: too much either. I mean, thank God for people like

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Speaker 27: him to be honest, But still I think it was

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Speaker 27: a bit of a faux pa, and I'm interested that

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Speaker 27: he's sort of doubling down on it.

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Speaker 2: I am you know what. I think it is to

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Speaker 2: his character to double down on it. Ali, he's the

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Speaker 2: kind of guy who just kind of stands his ground

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Speaker 2: and can be a little belligerent. But what I'm fascinated

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Speaker 2: by is that Labour thinks it's a good idea to

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Speaker 2: pull the funding because of this. Oh that's just politicking, though, Heather,

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Speaker 2: isn't it amazing? That's just nonsense.

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Speaker 27: I think, you know, any political party that knee jerks

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Speaker 27: with a comment like that needs to kick up the barm.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it really is childish.

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Speaker 27: So I no, it's just politicking.

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Speaker 2: And I just wonder, actually clear if Mike needs to

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Speaker 2: understand how political he is now because he took on

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Speaker 2: to remember, he took on Justin da Ardoun all the

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Speaker 2: way back and I think it was like twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, and since then he's become a very very

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Speaker 2: political figure, and so he needs to keep his nose

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Speaker 2: really clean.

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Speaker 26: That's what I mean by he needs to stay in

1225
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Speaker 26: his lane. He needs to know his brief. He needs

1226
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 26: to know the messaging which is really appropriate for him

1227
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 26: being across and that he is actually jeopardizing the reputation

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Speaker 26: of the organization if he goes beyond areas of his

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Speaker 26: expertise or he's I don't know him. He's presumably a

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Speaker 26: good guy and he's got, you know, his heart in

1231
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Speaker 26: the right place and he has had lived experience of

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00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 26: all sorts of problems. He's doing good with this foundation,

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Speaker 26: but he doesn't want to jeopardize it, especially as he

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Speaker 26: had the privilege of getting a sort of fast tracking

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Speaker 26: of funding.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Hey, Ali, do you think that a New Zealand

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Speaker 2: needs a market study into its virtual monopoly.

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Speaker 27: I think it can help, but I you know, I

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00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 27: think that about the insurance sector as well, as I've

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00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 27: said on your show before. But look, the only thing

1242
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 27: that I do have mixed feelings on with regards to

1243
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 27: this is that we're a small country, right, We've got

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00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 27: a small population, and I just I'm wary of this

1245
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 27: comparison with quantus. You know, as far as increases go

1246
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 27: around quantity and New Zealand's pricing, that is not comparing

1247
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 27: apples with apples. I think if demand is high, businesses

1248
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 27: should be able to apply the old supply and demand

1249
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 27: theory and you make more money and put the prices

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00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 27: up because people will pay it when supply is low.

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Speaker 27: But the issue is the degree of inflating those prices.

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Speaker 27: So if the price is unreasonable, then that needs to stop,

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Speaker 27: because we've all heard the word extortionate, right, and that's

1254
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 27: when it becomes extortionate.

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Speaker 2: But what is reasonable and what is unreasonable? And I

1256
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Speaker 2: think that's for the com Com to decide. Okay, I'm

1257
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 2: going to get your take on it clear when we

1258
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Speaker 2: come back from the break right now, sixteen away from

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Speaker 2: six the Huddle.

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Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, elevate the marketing of

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Speaker 1: your home.

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Speaker 2: Back with the Huddle clear to law and alle Jones,

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Speaker 2: So cleiar, What do you reckon? Is it worth putting

1264
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Speaker 2: the money into a market study to find out what

1265
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: are in New Zealand's doing well?

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Speaker 26: Probably not, because as far as one can tell from outside,

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00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 26: they're not doing anything illegal. They may well be doing

1268
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Speaker 26: things that most people find unaffordable and their powers. The

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Speaker 26: ComCom is where people are breaching regulations or the law

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Speaker 26: or whatever and calling them to account, you know, maybe

1271
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Speaker 26: the naming and shaming side of that, but you know

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Speaker 26: that doesn't seem to when people complain anyway about the prices,

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00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 26: it doesn't necessarily move the dial. Then there'll be a

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Speaker 26: flash sale for example, and if you open your email,

1275
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 26: like you know, a day late, your miss out, so

1276
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 26: you'll be really hacked off with them on top of

1277
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 26: everything else. So sometimes I think they're marketing maybe needs

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00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 26: to be a little bit more, you know, a little

1279
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 26: bit more attuned to people's habits. No, I don't think

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Speaker 26: it would make a difference. I mean, our supermarket's marketly cheaper.

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Speaker 2: Because of the market study name market study clear that

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Speaker 2: has actually resulted in a lower price for you.

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Speaker 26: Well, I can't, and I don't think it's changed the

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00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 26: bank's behaviors.

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Speaker 25: And you know we do want profitable banks. It's with

1286
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 25: markets and the like.

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Speaker 26: All the studies in the world haven't made much of

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00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 26: a difference to where you feel you have by way

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Speaker 26: of power as a consumer.

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Speaker 27: But I think that's more clear to do perhaps with

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Speaker 27: the terms of reference and what the study was essentially

1292
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 27: supposed to result in, because certainly the studies of the

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00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 27: price of fuel when Megan Woods was in though, there

1294
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 27: was absolutely nothing in those that gave anyone any power

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00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 27: to actually do anything. And I see that Anthony Albanezi

1296
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 27: is actually outlawing this demand pricing, this dynamic pricing model

1297
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 27: that Air New Zealand uses is being outlawed in Australia. Now,

1298
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 27: you know, the government can actually do something to regulate

1299
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 27: the sector, but I think they have to have the

1300
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 27: information in order to be able to do that. So

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Speaker 27: I don't see, you know, a market review as being

1302
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 27: a total waste of time, but I think the terms

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00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 27: of reference have got to be right, yes.

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Speaker 2: When it results in action.

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Speaker 26: Sorry, Claire, I was going to say, this government has

1306
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 26: actually set up a whole new department to deregulate and

1307
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 26: unregulate us. So yeah, I can't see them climbing into

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00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 26: regulation without really strong cause.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Hey, do you know what, Ali, people have

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Speaker 2: got themselves quite worked up today about the the fighting

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Speaker 2: and scuffling that was breaking out at the Travis Scott concert.

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Speaker 2: Did you see any of that video?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 6: I didn't.

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Speaker 27: And if someone had said Travis Scott to me yesterday, oh,

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01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 27: I would have said, oh, I am such I really

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01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 27: am not great with some of some of the people

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Speaker 27: around the music these days. However, I read too that

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Speaker 27: there were no complaints from residents. Apparently there were no arrests.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, so Helen must have absolutely been self disciplined last night,

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01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 2: because that would have absolutely ripped a nickers. It was

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Speaker 2: so loud. I think there were.

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Speaker 25: Twenty eight complaints, well on your very own network or somewhere.

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Speaker 2: I don't know all the journalists. Well, I stand corrected. Then, well,

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01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 2: there were some.

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Speaker 25: Allie, and I cannot tell you the source for which I.

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Speaker 2: Just wonder how loud you'd have to make the concert

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01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 2: program to drown out Travis Scott. Right next door.

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Speaker 10: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Did you enjoy it, Heather, No, not in the slightest

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Speaker 2: I mean no, Actually, that's not that's not that's not fair.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed realizing my a while standing there and watching

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01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 2: and going, I can't understand why this is music and

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01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: this is this is bizarre.

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Speaker 25: Well, it also seemed to me.

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Speaker 26: I mean I saw some children today aged twelve and

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Speaker 26: thirteen who went with their mum, who's about forty one,

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01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 26: and they all seem to have a good time. However,

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01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 26: fifteen to twenty minutes for DJ and one hour of

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Speaker 26: a guy on stage. Now, does you compare that to

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Speaker 26: Bruce Springsteen Paul McCartney when they came, who had no

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01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 26: backup when bang song, song song, you know, they just

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01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 26: rolled in for three hours.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's I think it was. Well, I mean what

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say this, Claire, Musicians these days are lazy,

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01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: aren't they? Not like they were an ourday, Not like

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Speaker 2: they were in our day. They come, they do a

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Speaker 2: three hour set with guitars and drums and actual music,

1349
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 2: and this guy makes people wait for four hours, and

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Speaker 2: he dances by.

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Speaker 26: And change the date and inconvenienced a lot of his fans,

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01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 26: you think you would really double down on putting on

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01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 26: a top show. So you know, I mean nothing much

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01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 26: excuses if people were having genuine punch ups, but if

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Speaker 26: they were sort of bored and kind of prepare enough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you do you Ellie, have you listened to any

1357
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: Travis Scott?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 2: No, I haven't. Clear, I feel it.

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Speaker 26: Look I did today with the kids in the car.

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Speaker 26: I said, I said, can you please pay me a

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Speaker 26: video of the concert? And then we put it on

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Speaker 26: the Apple a play and I thoughts and I, well,

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Speaker 26: not my thing.

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Speaker 2: But kids loved it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Did they?

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Speaker 2: Could they see a tune in that music? Did they?

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01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 25: They seem too?

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Speaker 2: And they yeah, all right, didn't you Jack?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jack did. At least one of us listened to

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Speaker 2: the Travis Scott music before I'm talking about it, and

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Speaker 2: I didn't. Guys, it was lovely to talk to the

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Speaker 2: pair of you. Thank you for coming in and really

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Speaker 2: appreciates Clear to little journalists and Allie Jones read PR

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Speaker 2: nine Away from six on.

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Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your

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Speaker 1: car on your drive home. Heather Duples see Alan drive

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Speaker 1: with one New zealand one Giant Leap for business news

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Speaker 1: talk as it be.

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Speaker 2: Hither there's no need for a market study into in

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01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 2: New Zealand. I can tell you right now what the

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01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: issue is. New Zealanders have done it to themselves. Jetstar

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01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 2: came to New Zealand on the regional routs. Kiwis were

1386
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Speaker 2: all really happy because the in New Zealand match Jetstar's prices,

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Speaker 2: which was finally healthy competition. But instead of supporting Jetstar,

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Speaker 2: ki we still flew in in New Zealand because the

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Speaker 2: prices were lower than they usually were and because everyone

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Speaker 2: still loves Corry Club and as a result of that,

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Speaker 2: Jetstar basically pulled out of it. As a fair point,

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Speaker 2: I think six away from six. So this is the

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Speaker 2: wild idea of the day from Wayne Brown. He wants

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Speaker 2: to see direct flights from Auckland to sal Polo in Brazil.

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Speaker 2: Not because he thinks that all of a sudden, our

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Speaker 2: tourism in Brazil is going to pick up, all Brazilian

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01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 2: tourism in New Zealand's going to go game busters or

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01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: anything like that, but simply because he sees an opportunity

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Speaker 2: to tap into the trade between China and Brazil that's

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Speaker 2: already happening right So these guys are already trading with

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01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 2: each other, but they go via the US, which is

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01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 2: the longest way, and actually the shortest way is apparently

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01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 2: through Auckland. If you look at a map, it doesn't

1404
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 2: look like it. He says. This is because of the

1405
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 2: Makata projection of the world, which is like an optical illusion.

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01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 2: But actually we are the shorter route. If you fly

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Speaker 2: China to Brazil via Auckland and he reckoned, the China

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01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 2: Brazil trade is about five hundred billion dollars. And if

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Speaker 2: they flew via Auckland and we even got one percent

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01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 2: of that trade, it would double the size of Auckland's GDP.

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01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 2: Now that is such a wildly simple way of making

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Speaker 2: money that it's either absolutely absurd, and why on earth

1413
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: is he wasting our time? Or maybe he's onto something.

1414
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 2: Guess what, Nzer thinks he's onto something. So they're going

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01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 2: to talk to us about it after six when they're

1416
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 2: with us. I love it. How makes it easy money?

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01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 2: Why not? Now? The question, okay, so this business just

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Speaker 2: to the US quickly, because of course we're only a

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01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: few days away from the US election happening. Question has

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Speaker 2: been whether Donald Trump is being hurt by the garbage.

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Speaker 2: Comments read Porto Rico Today would suggest no, this campaign

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01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 2: is not being hurt by that. And how do we

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01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 2: know that, Well, that's because Donald Trump is having a

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01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: hell of a lot of fun with it. He turned

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01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,439
Speaker 2: up in the swing state of Wisconsin in a garbage truck.

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Speaker 2: Now I don't know where he got the garbage truck from,

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01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: but somebody made the garbage truck into a Trump garbage

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01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 2: truck very quickly. It's a full sized garbage truck painted white,

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01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 2: which I don't know that a lot of garbage trucks are,

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01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 2: and it's got a gigantic bit of Trump branding on

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01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 2: both sides. He's turned up driving the thing while in

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01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 2: the cab, he has leaned out the window and given

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01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 2: media interviews and he is just having a great idea,

1434
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 2: a great time. But it's got no idea. What the

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01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 2: fuss about Puerto Rico is?

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Speaker 3: I love Puerto Rico and Puerto Rico loves me.

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Speaker 10: I don't know.

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Speaker 28: I don't know anything about a comedian. I just I

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Speaker 28: love Puerto Rico. Nobody's done more for Puerto Rico than.

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01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 2: Me, No, nobody, nobody. So unusual for Trump to brag

1441
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 2: like that, but nobody has done more for Puerto Rico.

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01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 12: I don't know about a comedian. This is the story

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01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 12: from the US selection that is being talked about so

1444
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 12: much that we are talking about it in New Zealand,

1445
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 12: and he, in the middle of the election campaign, has

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01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 12: not heard the story.

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01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 2: This is the comedian who they pre vetted, who they

1448
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 2: read the jokes of before it went on the auto cube.

1449
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 2: But he's got no idea. Yeah that's interesting. Yeah, no,

1450
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 2: it's no idea. What's happened. We all know what happened

1451
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 2: at his thing, but he doesn't know what happened at

1452
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: his thing. And just FYI thoughts on Elon.

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Speaker 28: Elon is a great guy. He's one of our geniuses,

1454
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 28: and we have to protect our geniuses. We have to

1455
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 28: take care of our geniuses.

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Speaker 2: All of which is happening from the inside of the

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01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: garbage truck. So I'm just getting the feeling that Biden

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01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 2: has just given Trump the greatest gift there has an

1459
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 2: e He's just turned what was turning into a bit

1460
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 2: of a problem for by for Trumpy into well not

1461
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 2: a problem for Trumpy at all. And now he's hanging

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01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 2: out the side of a garbage truck. Hey, listen, I've

1463
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 2: got to talk to you. Have you heard of this stuff?

1464
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 2: Ag one the supplement that Joe Rogan's pitching, a New

1465
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: Zealand supplement. I'm gonna hear about this shortly, and you

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Speaker 2: want to NEWSTORGSB.

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Speaker 1: We're a business insight the Business Hour. We'd had a

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Speaker 1: Duplicla and my hr on Newstalks B.

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01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 2: Even in coming up to the Next Hour newsroom, Jock

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Speaker 2: odon in Z has just launched a podcast about a

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01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 2: Kiwi company, a Kiwi company that's been sprooked by the

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Speaker 2: likes of Joe Rogan. It's caused all kinds of repercussions.

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01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to get you across the details shortly. Liam

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01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 2: dan on what the US selection could mean for our economy,

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Speaker 2: and Jamie mccinlillb be of US as well. At seven

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Speaker 2: past six. Now Aukland, there Wayne Brown is poshing for

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01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 2: direct flights from Auckland to sal Polo and Brazil. He

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01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 2: reckons if we do this, it means we could tap

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Speaker 2: into trade between China and Brazil, which is worth nearly

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Speaker 2: five hundred billion dollars a year. Chris Nixon is ends

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Speaker 2: in Ie as principal economist.

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Speaker 6: He Chris good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Crazy idea or not.

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01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 6: Oh, I don't think it's a crazy idea. I think

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01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 6: it's quite a good idea. I mean, given the mayhem

1486
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Speaker 6: which is happening in the United States at the moment

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Speaker 6: and their incoherent economic policies, we've got to be innovatives

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01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 6: and we've we've got to take the lead on these projects.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if the trade between China and Brazil is

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Speaker 2: worth that much, and he reckons we tap into one

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01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 2: percent of it, we could double the GDP of Auckland.

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01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 2: But how would a flight tap into one percent of it?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think firstly, it's not just about China, it's

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01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 6: about ACIM, it's about East Asia, and it's about China,

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01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,799
Speaker 6: and so I think that's the first thing. The second

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01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:26,919
Speaker 6: thing is that goods, like e commerce goods are starting

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01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:34,799
Speaker 6: to really go ballistic in places like Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru,

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Speaker 6: and so therefore there is an opportunity here to connect

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Speaker 6: the Asian and East Asia and China with South America

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Speaker 6: through New Zealand. And I think that's the key issue.

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Speaker 2: But how are we making the money? Are we making

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01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 2: money off of people jumping off the plane for a

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01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 2: bit of a stop in Auckland or what.

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Speaker 6: Well, one of the things is that IATA has done

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01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 6: some work around this and they would argue that a

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01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 6: one percent increase in connectivity will increase trade by six

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01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 6: point three percent. So it's the point that we need

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01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 6: the connectivity to drive trade. And now you know, the

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01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,959
Speaker 6: trade could be an e commerce, it could be in tourism,

1510
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 6: it could be an education, export exports.

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Speaker 3: We don't really know.

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Speaker 6: But the point is if you have the connectivity, then

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01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 6: you see the opportunities. So that's why I like Wayne

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01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 6: Brown's enthusiasm. He's come to a bit late, but you

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01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 6: know it's good that he's here.

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01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 2: Why do you say he's come to it a bit late.

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Speaker 6: Well, I wrote this report in twenty and twenty one,

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01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 6: so that's that's three years, three years ago. But the

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Speaker 6: point is he's here and he's in making these noises,

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Speaker 6: and I think they are the right noises to make.

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Speaker 2: So the thing is, though, I think we've only got

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Speaker 2: one flight between Auckland and South America.

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Speaker 3: That's the problem, is it Chile?

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Speaker 6: Is that where it goes it's yes, it's Latin, and

1525
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 6: it goes from San Diego to Auckland and then on

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Speaker 6: to Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: And then also we had the Buenos AIDA's flight, which

1528
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 2: in New Zealand was doing in absence candidates. So that

1529
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 2: suggests it just doesn't work for the airlines.

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01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 6: Well, I think that's possibly right. But I think there's

1531
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 6: an opportunity here. And the opportunity that presents itself is

1532
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 6: around e commerce, it is around tourism. We've got to

1533
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 6: sort of our setting our regulatory settings out around those things,

1534
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 6: by the way, but if those things happen and we

1535
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:53,560
Speaker 6: design rules that around the way businesses operate, not the

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01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 6: way we think they operate, then I think we've got

1537
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 6: a chance here.

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Speaker 2: Chris, interesting stuff, Thanks very much for talking through. That's

1539
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 2: Chris Nixon, principal economist. It ends in Ia, So there

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Speaker 2: you go. Wild idea turns out to be like maybe

1541
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: a wildly good idea. Hither, I watch a number of

1542
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 2: most popular YouTube channel sailing channels. They all endorse AG one.

1543
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 2: Other popular channels do as well. Brendan says, Hither, I

1544
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 2: can't buy ag one in New Zealand. I'm unhappy about that.

1545
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 2: That's from Paul. So ag one is this is a

1546
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,879
Speaker 2: supplement drink. It's like a green it's a green supplement,

1547
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 2: a powdery thing by the sounds of things, and it's

1548
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 2: it's been created by a company which has been led

1549
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 2: by a Kiwi and I think, if I remember correctly,

1550
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 2: has been marketed as being made in New Zealand. May

1551
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,799
Speaker 2: not quite be the case. Anyway, This thing has turned

1552
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 2: into a one point two billion dollar company US because

1553
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 2: it has been championed by some berg influences, so Joe Rogan,

1554
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 2: doctor Andrew Huberman, Gwyneth Paltrow, even David Farrier here in

1555
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 2: New Zealand. Not marketed here in New Zealand at all,

1556
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 2: but over in the States has really taken off anyway.

1557
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 2: The Newsroom had a look at it, thought something's going

1558
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,560
Speaker 2: on here, so they investigated. They've done a podcast and

1559
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 2: found there is no scientific evidence to back up the

1560
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 2: claims that are made by ag one anyway, but a

1561
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 2: bunch of other things as well. You will you'll want

1562
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 2: to hear. The guy who has created it has now

1563
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 2: resigned the company after this investigation. And it wasn't a

1564
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 2: flash in the pan investigation. It's an investigation that took

1565
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 2: them about a year to do. John o'milne, who is

1566
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 2: with Newsroom and is behind this podcast, is going to

1567
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 2: be with us just after hulf pus six and tell

1568
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 2: us all the details because it sounds quite scandalous, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duplicy

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Speaker 1: Allen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR, the

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Speaker 1: HR platform for sme on news talks EDB. Crunching the

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Speaker 1: numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duplicity Allen with

1574
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Speaker 1: the Business Hour thanks to my HR, the HR solution

1575
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Speaker 1: for busy sms on news talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we all want to be the best, don't we,

1577
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Speaker 2: But not all of us get to say that we

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Speaker 2: actually are the best. One company that can proudly claim

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Speaker 2: this accolade is One New Zealand. They've been named as

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Speaker 2: having the best mobile network in New Zealand. Forget this

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Speaker 2: the third year running now. The award was handed out

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Speaker 2: in May by independent benchmarking organization UMLAUT, which tests and

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Speaker 2: compares more than two hundred mobile networks worldwide and off

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Speaker 2: the three major key we telcos. One New Zealand's mobile

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Speaker 2: network performed the best. They came out on top for

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Speaker 2: voice and data and had the most reliable mobile network.

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Speaker 2: The results are really good news for One New Zealand

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Speaker 2: because they invest millions of dollars every single year into

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Speaker 2: the network. And it's also really good news for people

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Speaker 2: like you and me because we rely really heavily on

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Speaker 2: our phones for both work and personal news, don't we,

1592
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Speaker 2: And we need a mobile network that keeps us connected.

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Speaker 2: So if you'd like to learn more about joining New

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Speaker 2: Zealand's most reliable mobile network, jump online and visit one

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Speaker 2: dot nz. Ever Duzl Heather Kara and Nate Traveler YouTube's

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Speaker 2: endorse ag one also thank you. Yeah, we're going to

1597
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Speaker 2: talk to John about that after help us six. Now

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Speaker 2: it's seventeen pass six, just six more sleeps to go

1599
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Speaker 2: until voters and the US decide who's going to be

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Speaker 2: the next president. We're going to be watching it like

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01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 2: hawks as well, because of course it might affect the

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01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 2: New Zealand businesses. Liam dan is The Herald's Business editor

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Speaker 2: at large. He Liam, Hey, Heather, Okay, who do you

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01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 2: reckon would be better for our economy?

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 9: Oh?

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01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 29: Well, I guess you know. It's a weird one because

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01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 29: we don't really know a lot, partly because I think

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01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 29: Kamala Harris has been a bit vague on policy, We

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01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 29: don't know exactly what's coming there. And then of course,

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01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 29: good old Donald Trump, he is so incredibly specific about

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01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 29: all the things he's going to do, and then it's

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01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 29: very hard to know, you know, exactly whether he will

1613
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 29: do them because what he sees is sometimes a bit different.

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01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 29: The trade stuff I think makes life a little bit

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01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 29: difficult for New Zealand. So that's that's the big policy

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01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 29: from Donald Trump is putting ten percent tariffs on everything

1617
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 29: that goes into the United States, and then sixty percent

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01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 29: tariffs on Chinese goods, which could also have some weird

1619
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 29: you know, if you think about it, what's that going

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01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 29: to mean for all the Chinese goods around the world.

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01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 29: It may actually mean some cheap stuff coming our way,

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01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 29: which we don't probably need more of, but maybe electric

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01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 29: cars all that kind of stuff. You know, it's kind

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01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 29: of it's kind of uncharted territory.

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Speaker 10: It's a big experiment.

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Speaker 29: So even there, we don't know for sure. I know

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Speaker 29: that you know that the big mainstream economists at the

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01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 29: IMF and the World Bank are a bit nervous about

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01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 29: the prospect of Trump winning, which you know, looks like

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01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 29: a pretty good chance.

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01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 6: I guess you'd have to say.

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01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 29: Just because of the unseund it could be good for

1633
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 29: sheer markets, could be good for our Kiwi save but

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01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 29: they still expect a.

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01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 6: Bit of a Trump.

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Speaker 2: It was great last time, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 29: I mean they're not quite sure what it would be

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01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 29: predicated on so much this time, because he's talked about

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Speaker 29: big tax cuts again, but there is a possibility that

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Speaker 29: he just can't do them, partly for congre because he

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01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 29: might have Congress, but also because the deficit is so

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01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 29: huge in the United States, you get in that same

1644
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 29: situation that Terresa May had in the in the UK,

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01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,799
Speaker 29: which is that you're up against bond markets which absolutely

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01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 29: punish your economy if you start trying to do things

1647
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Speaker 29: like cut taxes while you have a giant deficit. And

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Speaker 29: as you know, I think it was James Cavell Cavill,

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Speaker 29: Bill Clinton's advisor, once said, you know, the only thing

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Speaker 29: he'd ever want to come back as to be the

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01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 29: bond market because everybody is scared of it, and you

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01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 29: know that that could.

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01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 10: Just stymy those plans. So it's a bit of skeptics

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01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 10: tax cuts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, Liam, I mean it kind of counterintuitively,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump actually is pretty good for world peace, right,

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01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 2: So isn't that actually weirdly good for us because if

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01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 2: you set settle down all those tensions, we benefit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it weirdly could be.

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Speaker 29: Which if you think about our worst case scenario in

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Speaker 29: New Zealand, it's probably some sort of military action around Taiwan, right,

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01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 29: because we have to pick a side.

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01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 3: And if it's more.

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Speaker 29: Likely in that sort of scenario, which hopefully doesn't come

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Speaker 29: to that, that you'd have Donald Trump sitting down with

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01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 29: Jjun Ping or maybe deciding not to get involved or

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01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 29: something which should which potentially could make life easier for

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Speaker 29: New Zealand.

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Speaker 22: But you know that's I guess.

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Speaker 10: You know, big geopolitical stuff.

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Speaker 17: It's hard.

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01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 10: It's hard to know. I guess that's what gets me.

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Speaker 29: It's all very very uncertain, including obviously the result, which

1675
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 29: you know that we've got to.

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01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 10: We're so close now that it's very.

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Speaker 29: Hard for the polls to really tell us what's going

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01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,759
Speaker 29: to happen in six counties and three different states.

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01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 30: You know, it's crazy how tired it gets in America totally.

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Speaker 2: Liam, thanks very much for talking us through and appreciate

1681
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 2: it is Liam Dan The Herald's Business editor at large.

1682
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 2: I feel like I should explain myself when I say

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01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is good for world peace. Donald Trump is

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01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 2: good for world peace because he's so unpredictable that world leaders.

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01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 2: But if you judge him in the last the last

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01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 2: time he was in power for four years, basically Putin

1687
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 2: pulled his head in, right. Potin was doing all guys

1688
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 2: of crazy stuff beforehand, when Obama was there, then Trump

1689
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 2: was there, Putin pulled his head in. Then Biden came in.

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01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,759
Speaker 2: Potin God has all out again. But because the trouble

1691
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 2: is with Trumpy, you don't know what he's going to do.

1692
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 2: The others are much more predictable because they're kind of

1693
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 2: known quantity, aren't they. Where a Trumpy is so crazy

1694
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 2: you don't know what he's going to do. And so

1695
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 2: as a result, you would imagine that maybe Putin settles

1696
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 2: on the Ukraine situation. Best case scenario, I suppose Xi

1697
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 2: Jinping does nothing because he doesn't know what Trump's going

1698
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 2: to do, and so everything just kind of it's not

1699
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 2: a you know, it doesn't solve the problem. It just

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01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 2: kind of delays the problem. But for the period, solves

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01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 2: the problem just briefly by delaying it. Doesn't it anyway?

1702
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 2: Talk to Jamie McKay next six to twenty one.

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01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,600
Speaker 3: The Rural Report on hither do for Sea Allen.

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01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 2: Drive Jamie McKay host to the Countries with Us right now, Hey, Jamie,

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01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 2: can I hear that red meat prices they finally recovering?

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01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 10: Are they?

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Speaker 31: Well, they're coming off the bottom of the cycle, according

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01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 31: to Silver Fern Farms chief executive Dan Bolton. Interestingly, when

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01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 31: we crunch the August numbers from the Meat Industry Association,

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01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 31: their exports to China, as Trumpey would say, we're down

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01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 31: fifty percent to one hundred and seven million. But here's

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01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 31: the good news. Maybe short term. The United States was

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01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 31: again the largest market for New Zealand red meat in

1714
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,759
Speaker 31: August seven percent year on year increased to one hundred

1715
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 31: and ninety eight million. What happens next week or after

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01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 31: next week, we don't know. So the poor old sheep

1717
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 31: farmers either they've had a hell of a time. They're

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01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 31: not getting much or they weren't getting much for their lamb,

1719
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 31: getting next to nothing for their wall. But lamb is

1720
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 31: up about a dollar a kilo from this time twelve

1721
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,799
Speaker 31: months ago. We're starting to see some green shoots.

1722
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 22: I know you hate that word.

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01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 31: In China due to the stimulus packages from the Chinese

1724
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 31: government and silver firm Farms who's half owned by the Chinese,

1725
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 31: is quite optimistic ahead of the new year, so Bolton

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01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 31: Dan Bolton went on to say, look, China's back in

1727
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 31: the market. They're being competitive. But here's the interesting thing.

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01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 31: The Middle East growth for our red meat was just

1729
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 31: eye watering, and the United States was absolutely firing on

1730
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 31: all cylinders, pushing up farm gate price for ball beef.

1731
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,560
Speaker 31: So we literally cannot supply them enough beef at the

1732
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 31: moment due to the drought they're having over there. So

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01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 31: better times ahead for the red meat industry.

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Speaker 2: What about strong Wooll, Well, it's.

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Speaker 31: Funny you ask that, Heather it it's been a dog

1736
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Speaker 31: for a number of years. But maybe there's some light

1737
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,839
Speaker 31: at the end of the tunnel for strong Wallet. Today's

1738
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 31: North Island Napier Sail. The Strong Wooll indicator was up

1739
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 31: ten cents to its highest point in the past three seasons.

1740
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 31: One hundred percent clearance rate, slightly lower exchange rate is

1741
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 31: happening as well, and some of the commentary from PGG

1742
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 31: Rights and Wallin I has read their report was that

1743
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 31: some early U sharing is underway and the quality thus

1744
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 31: far looks to be excellent. So all in all, those

1745
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 31: two stories add up to a good news story for

1746
01:20:58,840 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 31: sheep farmers.

1747
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 2: Totally listen. Why isn't that broccoli might cost nine bucks ahead?

1748
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 2: What's going on there? Yeah?

1749
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 31: Well, can you imagine that twenty seven dollars a kilo

1750
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 31: nine dollars ahead. There's a new report out from the

1751
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 31: New Zealand Institute of Economic Research which is warning fresh

1752
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 31: vegetable prices could increase, possibly dramatically, if the government doesn't

1753
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 31: move to provide a clear and workable regulatory pathway for

1754
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 31: vegetable production. Now, I've quoted those numbers twenty seven dollars

1755
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 31: a kilo for broccoli, nine dollars ahead, and those are

1756
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 31: the potential vegetable production should I say, is cut by

1757
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 31: twenty percent as a result of proposed regulations aimed at

1758
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 31: reducing nitrogen runoffs. So this report draws on research estimating

1759
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 31: that twenty percent reduction and vegetable supply should these regulations

1760
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 31: come and could push vegetable prices up by at least

1761
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 31: twenty percent, possibly one hundred percent. So yeah, we've got

1762
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 31: to tread warily on that one. On the other problem

1763
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 31: it's got with vegetables, ever, is that some of the

1764
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 31: best vegetable growing land in this country it's now growing houses.

1765
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 2: A very good point, Jamie, Thanks very much, mate, Jamie McKay,

1766
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 2: host of the Country Listen on. I gave you at

1767
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 2: the very start of the program the economists prediction for

1768
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 2: who's going to win the election, and now it's a

1769
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty dead heat, right, and then the polls

1770
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 2: are basically saying consistently that it is tight. It is tight,

1771
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 2: it is tight, it's fifty to fifty. That's not what

1772
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 2: the betting odds are saying. Somebody's just pointed me to

1773
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 2: sports bet Australia, which is betting side over there. Obviously

1774
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 2: Trump is paying a dollar fifty, Harris is paying two

1775
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 2: dollars fifty. And in the UK, Trump's odds are now

1776
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 2: sixty two percent, Harris's odds are forty one percent. Gamblers

1777
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 2: have put thirty thirty four million pounds on Harris and

1778
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 2: forty nine million pounds on Trump, So the gamblers think

1779
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:55,919
Speaker 2: Trump's going to take it. Headline's next, whether.

1780
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:59,600
Speaker 1: It's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all the

1781
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 1: business hour with Heather Dupericy Allen and my HR the

1782
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: HR solution for busy SMEs U Stogsby.

1783
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 2: And Brady's going to be with us out of the

1784
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 2: UK in about ten minutes time. Listen, I think this

1785
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 2: is interesting out of Australia. You know, they've just done

1786
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 2: this final report into their COVID response. The guy who

1787
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 2: was the former Deputy Chief Medical Officer Chap called Nick

1788
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,959
Speaker 2: Coatsworth has gone on Taly and apologized for the vaccine mandates.

1789
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 2: He said having people lose jobs over those vaccine mandates

1790
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 2: really did a road trust. This is a real issue

1791
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 2: for Australia because you don't need ten percent of people

1792
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 2: to lose trust in your vaccine program for it to

1793
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 2: be a problem. It only needs to be somewhere between

1794
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 2: one and five percent the vaccine mandates. I mean, I

1795
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 2: think we're all starting. If you haven't already realized it,

1796
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 2: you will probably realize it at some point. The vaccine

1797
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 2: mandates were a terrible thing to do, and at some

1798
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 2: stage I would like to see an apology in this

1799
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 2: country for it as well, because we should never have

1800
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 2: forced we should never have forced people to take something

1801
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 2: they didn't want to take, even if we thought it

1802
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 2: was for the better, even if we thought it was

1803
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 2: good for them and good for us, shouldn't have forced

1804
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 2: it twenty three away from seven Ever, do for ce Ellen,

1805
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan loves it. Gwyneth Paltrow loves it. Lewis Hamilton

1806
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 2: loves it. I'm talking about ag one, which is a

1807
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 2: billion dollar supplement company founded by a New Zealander Chris Ashington. Now,

1808
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 2: the entrepreneur has quit as the chief executive and the

1809
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,560
Speaker 2: reason he's done that has come after a Newsroom investigation

1810
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 2: challenged him on the company's revenues and claims that the

1811
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 2: product has made in New Zealand. Now, Jonathan Milne is

1812
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 2: Newsroom pros Managing editor and he and maker of the

1813
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 2: Powder Keg podcast, which is what this is all about.

1814
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 5: It is with us.

1815
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 2: Hey John, how are you doing very well? Thank you?

1816
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 2: How did he get endorsements like this? I mean those

1817
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 2: are massive names.

1818
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 30: Look, this company is like one of the biggest social

1819
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 30: media operators in the world. Sorry, social influence are operators there.

1820
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 30: There's stars in this in this arena, but you know

1821
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 30: that kind of influence doesn't come cheap. And Rogan Huberman

1822
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 30: they're getting millions from a One to endorse it. The

1823
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 30: newo CEO of ag One herself says that they are

1824
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 30: the third biggest ad spender in audio in the world.

1825
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 30: So this is a massive, massive marketing spend.

1826
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's massive overseas, but not here. Why is

1827
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 2: it not here?

1828
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 30: Yeah, that's really interesting. That's actually one of the things

1829
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 30: that piqued my interest about this in the first place,

1830
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 30: because I found out about this guy. You know, my

1831
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 30: wife played me this at this podcast and she said,

1832
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 30: check out this ad, you know, made in New Zealand,

1833
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:37,560
Speaker 30: made for nearly everybody, and I'd never heard of it,

1834
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 30: and it was made by this key we guy, And

1835
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 30: I thought, well, this is absolutely fascinating. But when I

1836
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 30: started digging a little bit, well, when he wouldn't front

1837
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 30: for an interview, because you know what, big corporate doesn't

1838
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 30: want to spreak their product on free media. When he

1839
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 30: wouldn't front for an interview, I just started a few

1840
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 30: journalistic alarm bells started to ring, and so I started

1841
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:01,640
Speaker 30: digging around a little bit further and found found in

1842
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 30: the gazettes, the New Zealand Gazette, which never forgets, you know,

1843
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 30: sort of this ancient record of journalism that records bad

1844
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 30: stuff that be done for a very long time, and

1845
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 30: I found out that he'd actually declared himself bankrupt, owing

1846
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 30: three million dollars. I think that's why he doesn't market

1847
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 30: his own product in New Zealand, even though it's made

1848
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 30: in New Zealand and he boasts about it being made

1849
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 30: in New Zealand. I think the reason that he doesn't

1850
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 30: market it here is because he knows that that it's

1851
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 30: going to come back to bite him.

1852
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 2: But so what I mean, lots of people who've done

1853
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 2: who go on to be very successful business people have

1854
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 2: in the past been bankrupted.

1855
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 30: Yeah, And I agree absolutely, And I think everyone to

1856
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 30: get a second chance, right. You know, we've all done

1857
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 30: stuff we regret, we've all made mistakes, and we all

1858
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 30: should be given a chance to go on. But what

1859
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 30: he's gone on to do is try to spin his

1860
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 30: way out and out of us and try to hide it.

1861
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 30: And if it was a simple case that he had

1862
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 30: done some bad stuff in the past, and he did

1863
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:56,600
Speaker 30: burn a lot of people, and I've talked to a

1864
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 30: lot of people who got really bad, vulnerable people who

1865
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 30: tried to get into their first homes and thought they

1866
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 30: were on the property ladder, turned out he never handed

1867
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 30: the data title over to them, so he did get convicted.

1868
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 2: It's not a decent bankruptcy.

1869
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 30: It's you know, it's not a good on a spankruptcy.

1870
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 30: I don't know what that looks like. But you know,

1871
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 30: I could even forgive them that if he said, I'm sorry,

1872
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 30: I got it wrong, and I'll pay my reparations, because

1873
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 30: you know what, I'm a multi millionaire now I will

1874
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 30: pay one hundred and eighty two thousand dollars in fines

1875
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 30: and reparations at the New Zealand courts ordered me to

1876
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 30: pay to these people who are on the bones of

1877
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 30: their ass and will never own their own home now

1878
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 30: they're at retirement age or they're approaching retirement age. This

1879
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 30: was their one chance to get on the property ladder

1880
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 30: in South Auckland or in Viicago where he ran his schemes,

1881
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 30: and it's never going to happen for them now. An apology.

1882
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 30: He has now delivered an apology to them via a

1883
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,600
Speaker 30: statement to me. He has said he deeply apologized for

1884
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 30: any hurt that was caused, but he refuses to talk

1885
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 30: about that one hundred and eighty two thousand dollars in

1886
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 30: fines and reparations that he that he's never paid.

1887
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 2: You also said that the stuff is made in New Zealand,

1888
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 2: But it's not, is it? Look it is, Some of

1889
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 2: it is, some of it is.

1890
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 30: There's a contract manufacturer that used to make all of

1891
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,879
Speaker 30: it and they have now cut back dramatically and shifted

1892
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 30: a lot of that production to Utah in the United States.

1893
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 30: So that's going to be hard for that manufacturing company.

1894
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 30: And it also means that they've kept on since they

1895
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 30: started doing that, shifting so much of their production to Utah,

1896
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 30: they kept on marketing it is being made in New

1897
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 30: Zealand for the subsequent two years until I asked questions

1898
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 30: about it, and then they started pulling those ads. I

1899
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 30: have talked to the Commerce Commission about this. They're not happy,

1900
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 30: they've they've they're very hard line on companies marketing their

1901
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 30: products as made in New Zealand or produced New Zealand

1902
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 30: or from New Zealand when they're not.

1903
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, for obvious reasons. Obvious reasons.

1904
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 10: You know New Zealand.

1905
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 30: You know our our image, our brand image a New

1906
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 30: Zealanders is with billions of dollars in this country.

1907
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 10: We need to keep it clean.

1908
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 2: Now, does the stuff work. Does it do what it

1909
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 2: says it does?

1910
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 30: Like you said earlier, the scientific evidence just ain't there yet.

1911
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 10: I tried it, did you.

1912
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 30: Yeah, I went to great links to get a whole

1913
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:08,719
Speaker 30: lot shipped into the country by.

1914
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 2: Looking a little unwell at the moment, I'm just joking.

1915
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going to get sued now as well

1916
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 2: for saying.

1917
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:14,640
Speaker 9: That, just like you, I'm going to see you.

1918
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 2: So I tell me, what does it taste like?

1919
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:18,600
Speaker 1: What is it like?

1920
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 30: I could tell you that that's that's like the sort

1921
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 30: of that's the big unveil at the end. Yeah, all right,

1922
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 30: taste that banana? Does taste that banana? It's actually quite nice.

1923
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 30: It's really habit for me. I took it every morning

1924
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 30: for a couple of months.

1925
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 2: Why is it habit for me?

1926
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 30: It tastes nice and I don't really, I don't really

1927
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 30: I get it.

1928
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think.

1929
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 30: I get up early in the morning, you know, I

1930
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 30: get up at three or four am to write a

1931
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 30: morning newsletter. I make myself a big bloody pot of coffee,

1932
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 30: a black coffee, and for two months I made myself

1933
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:47,600
Speaker 30: a shaker of age. You one and I have a

1934
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 30: sort of side by side healthy coffee healthy coffee, and

1935
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:54,560
Speaker 30: it tasted good, and it was just a ritual and

1936
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 30: I don't have breakfast for like six hours into my

1937
01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:00,640
Speaker 30: day or something, and so it's just it was just

1938
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 30: something that I could do that I enjoyed, and I

1939
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 30: felt a little bit sad when I stopped taking it,

1940
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 30: and that I mean, you laugh. But that habit forming,

1941
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:11,480
Speaker 30: that's absolutely critical to their business model. That and social influencers,

1942
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:13,679
Speaker 30: because they've got a subscription model and as you said,

1943
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 30: as some of your listeners said, you can't buy it

1944
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 30: in New Zealand, so and you can't buy it over

1945
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 30: the counter anywhere, so people have to get it from

1946
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 30: the company. And a monthly subscription costs a bomb one

1947
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 30: hundred US dollars a month. If they're going to keep

1948
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,879
Speaker 30: people paying for that money and keep them on subscription,

1949
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Speaker 30: they need to form a habit. It's critical to them.

1950
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Speaker 30: Why did he quit looks He has not confirmed that

1951
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 30: it was because of the questions we were asking. We

1952
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 30: were asking some pretty robust questions about the level of

1953
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 30: his disclosure of his criminal records. He did, but this

1954
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,679
Speaker 30: year he said that he didn't hadn't committed any crimes.

1955
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 30: He said that he'd never had an arrest warrant issued

1956
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Speaker 30: against him. He said that he'd paid all his fines

1957
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 30: and reparations. Now we're able to demonstrate with court papers

1958
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,520
Speaker 30: that there's demonstrate demonstrably and couraged.

1959
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 2: Demonstrably demonstras am start, then yeah.

1960
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Speaker 3: I don't.

1961
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Speaker 30: I don't have to pronounce.

1962
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 2: It's totally wrong.

1963
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Speaker 30: Those three claims are wrong. And this was just a

1964
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Speaker 30: few months ago in a big meeting that he had

1965
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Speaker 30: with his staff. And presumably he's been saying board telling

1966
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 30: us board the same thing. Now that can't go down

1967
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 30: well when we're able to go back to them and say, actually,

1968
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 30: here's the evidence that what you're telling your company now,

1969
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 30: what you're telling your customers now, and what you're probably

1970
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 30: telling your board now, I haven't set in on the

1971
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 30: board meetings. I hastened to add, but it's not it's

1972
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 30: not true.

1973
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, what's the what's the podcast called.

1974
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 10: It's called powder Keg.

1975
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 30: It's on the Dove joannel from from newsroom, and I

1976
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 30: just want to very quickly say thank you very much

1977
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Speaker 30: to the Brian Gainer Initiatives. They helped fund the podcast

1978
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 30: and without them we wouldn't have been able to do that.

1979
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 30: So they're supporting publicans journalism. Yem.

1980
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, JOHNO, thank you for coming and really appreciate

1981
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Speaker 2: it and best of luck with it as Jonathan Mille

1982
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 2: Newsroom pro managing it and the Powder Key and obviously

1983
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 2: behind the Powder Key podcast will go to the UK

1984
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Speaker 2: next quarter too.

1985
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour

1986
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 1: with Hither Duple Cut and my HR, the HR Solution

1987
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 1: for busy sm on News Talk zb on.

1988
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 2: The Besting Hither the Sports Bets had Trump losing in

1989
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 2: twenty six and then winning in twenty twenty, so that's

1990
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,679
Speaker 2: hardly a good record. Thanks for pointing that out. Thirteen

1991
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 2: away from seven and into Brady a UK correspondence with

1992
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 2: US ender.

1993
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Speaker 10: Hello, Hello, have they're great? Speak to you again?

1994
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Speaker 6: All right?

1995
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Speaker 2: Was there anything in that budget that you were not expecting?

1996
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Speaker 10: Yeah?

1997
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Speaker 22: I think the sheer scale of the tax rises. We

1998
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 22: knew things were going up, but we didn't realize that

1999
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,879
Speaker 22: the tax burden will be going up by eighty billion

2000
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Speaker 22: and z dollars. It's a huge, huge gamble by Rachel Reeves.

2001
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,759
Speaker 22: They're calling it the shock and awe budget because nobody

2002
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 22: saw the scale of it, the ambition of it, and

2003
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 22: look if she gets it right. As she pointed out

2004
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 22: in her speech in Parliament, the prize is enormous, Britten

2005
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 22: back on its feet again, services working a thriving economy,

2006
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 22: and yet there will be some short term pain. But

2007
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Speaker 22: I think what she's looking for is the impact of

2008
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 22: this down the road, maybe three or four years, that

2009
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 22: people can stop seeing a health service crumbling in front

2010
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:16,560
Speaker 22: of their eyes, that can start driving on roads that

2011
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 22: aren't riddled with potholes, and we can kind of get

2012
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Speaker 22: Britain moving again. Of course, the one big elephant in

2013
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Speaker 22: the room that nobody ever mentions is Brexit, that has

2014
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 22: bled money out of this country now for a decade.

2015
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Speaker 2: The problem that the only, I mean the major problem

2016
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Speaker 2: that I can foresee here is that it is going

2017
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Speaker 2: to do the very thing that you don't want to do,

2018
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:36,679
Speaker 2: which is dissuade investment. Right if you've got that capital

2019
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Speaker 2: gains text going up. Is that any of you guys

2020
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 2: worried about.

2021
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Speaker 3: That at all?

2022
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 10: Well, she doesn't seem to be.

2023
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 22: And the three words she repeated were invest, invest, invest,

2024
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Speaker 22: So she wants people to come in and get going

2025
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 22: and start pumping cash into Britain and look London certainly

2026
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Speaker 22: and other cities still hugely attractive to foreign investors, so

2027
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Speaker 22: I think give it time.

2028
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Speaker 10: The market have not in any way been spooked.

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Speaker 22: I thought she spoke very well and a lot of

2030
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 22: people were licking their lips really sarcastically at the little

2031
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 22: dig she made at Sunac when she pointed out that

2032
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 22: he's leader two more days until the Conservatives appointing new

2033
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 22: leader Saturday. But Rachel Reves pointed out that the tax

2034
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 22: on flying in private jets is going up by nine

2035
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Speaker 22: hundred dollars, and she said that's on a flight to California,

2036
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Speaker 22: and she looked directly at Sunac because he spends a

2037
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 22: lot of time with his family in California. So there

2038
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 22: were moments of humor, but I think all in all,

2039
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Speaker 22: let's just wait and see if she can turn Britain around.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

2041
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Speaker 2: Interesting have been starkesman. They must have been frightening for

2042
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 2: his family.

2043
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 22: Yes, So he was in Pakistan playing cricket for England

2044
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 22: and a gang of hoodlums turned up in masks, raided

2045
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 22: the house, basically ripped jewelry from the family and crucially

2046
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 22: as well, what's been taken is his Obe medal. Now

2047
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 22: Ben Stokes has put a stay without just saying how

2048
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 22: angry he is that this happened when his wife and

2049
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 22: children were in the house in Durham, up in the

2050
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 22: northeast of England and he was off playing cricket in

2051
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 22: Pakistan representing his country. So shocking stuff and shame on them.

2052
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 22: And one interesting point Stokes said, he's not interested in guns.

2053
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 22: The items my family are find. What I'm interested in

2054
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:24,320
Speaker 22: and why I'm putting pictures of these items out is

2055
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 22: for people to name who did this so the police

2056
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 22: can catch them and no family has to go through

2057
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:29,639
Speaker 22: that again.

2058
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 2: Quite now, Ryan Reynolds day, so he's he's brought to

2059
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 2: be a company.

2060
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 22: Or bought some of he has, Yes, so this is

2061
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Speaker 22: this is a wonderful story. You talk about investment and

2062
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 22: foreign money coming into the UK. So a few years

2063
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 22: ago Ryan Reynolds teamed up with his acting mate from Hollywood,

2064
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 22: Ryan McIlhenny.

2065
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 10: They bought Wrexham Football Club.

2066
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 22: So Wrexham, it's a Welsh club in with Norris disrespect

2067
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 22: to Wrexham or the people, a struggling town, an economically

2068
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 22: depressed town.

2069
01:35:57,840 --> 01:35:58,280
Speaker 10: They came in.

2070
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 22: They bought the soccer team there were not league at

2071
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 22: the time, in the fifth Division of English and Welsh soccer.

2072
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 22: They've risen up and there are now two promotions away

2073
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 22: from the Premier League, so Rexham are absolutely flying on

2074
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 22: the soccer field. There is a local brewery and they've

2075
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 22: decided now to buy that as well, so I think

2076
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 22: in terms of jobs, growth, investment, the name Wrexham going

2077
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 22: all over the world because of course that they have

2078
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 22: this TV show Welcome to Wrexham, which is on all

2079
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 22: the streaming services.

2080
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 10: It's very very good.

2081
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,599
Speaker 22: I think a lot of towns and football clubs will

2082
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 22: just be wondering where can we get our hands on

2083
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 22: someone like Reynolds and his mate McIlhenny. But Rexham larger

2084
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 22: will be going stateside.

2085
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 2: Brilliant stuff. Hey, thank you so much and to talk

2086
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 2: to you again next week. That's into Brady are UK correspondent. Hey,

2087
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 2: if you're in Auckland and your trick trading with the kids,

2088
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if you still yeah still dielight you

2089
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 2: can still be trick or treating. Sorry, this is only

2090
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 2: for Auckland and I apologize to the rest of the country,

2091
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 2: but it's because the Mowbrays live in Auckland, so you know,

2092
01:36:55,880 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 2: a mate, Nick Mowbray and his partner Jamie no Nick,

2093
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 2: the Zuru toy guy. They've got this house in Herne

2094
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:06,639
Speaker 2: Bay and then they're gonna knock it down, so they've

2095
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:08,639
Speaker 2: turned it into the Herne Bay Horror House.

2096
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 5: Go there.

2097
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 2: It's open between five and up to eight o'clock this

2098
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 2: evening and take the kids there. It's gonna freak them out.

2099
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fun time if you're around the

2100
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 2: Herne Bay area. And there's some free toys as well.

2101
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 2: You're welcome eight away from seven, whether.

2102
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 3: It's Macro MicroB or just playing economics.

2103
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy Allen

2104
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:33,680
Speaker 1: and my HR, the HR platform for sme used talksp.

2105
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 2: What about this? By the way, before we just got

2106
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:39,680
Speaker 2: to tell you this. Yesterday the courts in Auckland accidentally

2107
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 2: released a convicted killer. Then they have to go back

2108
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 2: and find him and put him back in jail. The

2109
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 2: guy's name is Jay Wallace aka Moi Waahi. He's convicted

2110
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 2: of manslaughter. He was waiting to be sentenced but basically

2111
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 2: which means it definitely needs to be in jail. But

2112
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 2: basically was appearing in court on the Manaco District called

2113
01:37:57,200 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 2: on a separate and minor charge and was victed and

2114
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 2: discharged on that charge, and then the court stuff wire

2115
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,599
Speaker 2: like oh you being discharged. Off you go, yep, off

2116
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 2: you go, Off you go. And then at some point

2117
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 2: someone was like, where's Moie? Why is he not come

2118
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 2: back to jail, and they're like, oh no, not to

2119
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 2: go find him. Fortunately, he'd gone back to one of

2120
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 2: his usual haunts and so he was picked up without

2121
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 2: incident by the police a few hours later and he

2122
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:25,640
Speaker 2: went back to jail. But the weird thing about it

2123
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 2: is that this is the second time this has happened

2124
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 2: this week. The day before on Tuesday, the Dunedin District

2125
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 2: Court accidentally released someone as we as well. How weird

2126
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:33,599
Speaker 2: is that ends?

2127
01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 12: I was going to say, I was about to make

2128
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 12: some sort of joke about how you want to make

2129
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 12: sure you get sentenced at the district Court in Monico,

2130
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 12: But yeah, clearly if it's happening everywhere, Yeah, holiday by

2131
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 12: does he Rascal to play us out tonight? I'm very

2132
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 12: sorry to hear hither that the the hip hop concert

2133
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 12: you went to yesterday didn't meet your standards musically, So

2134
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:51,719
Speaker 12: maybe we just need to like rewind maybe ten years earlier,

2135
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 12: go see a naughties rapper?

2136
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 2: Does he Rascal?

2137
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 12: He's performing in Auckland at the Town Hall on the

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01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 12: thirtieth of January. The pre sale tickets are on sale

2139
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:02,720
Speaker 12: and the general sale happens tomorrow on Ticketmaster.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what okay last night, because last night

2141
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 2: I was I was feeling sorry for myself. It was

2142
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 2: a parrotechnic spectacle. Let's not lie. It was pretty amazing

2143
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 2: to watch if I was feeling sorry for myself. But

2144
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 2: the whole concert I was feeling sorry for Helen. I

2145
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 2: just thought, poor Helen, Like, this is the loudest, most

2146
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:24,600
Speaker 2: annoying music I can possibly like, nonsense music. And I

2147
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 2: know Helen loves her concert FM. So can you imagine

2148
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 2: the contrast between the concert program and that nonsense that

2149
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 2: was going on right outside?

2150
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 12: Well, I mean, if you turned up the Philarmmonia Orchestra

2151
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 12: to a certain level, it would probably sound like that

2152
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:40,760
Speaker 12: as well. And I mean I'm sure they'd like some

2153
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:41,679
Speaker 12: fireworks at something.

2154
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 10: No.

2155
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:43,759
Speaker 12: No, I mean, you know, you move next to a stadium.

2156
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:44,720
Speaker 12: I think that's fair enough.

2157
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my concerns for Helen only went so far.

2158
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 2: But I just I just hope that she'd gone out

2159
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:53,559
Speaker 2: for dinner or something, maybe gone to see her dad

2160
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 2: and Corimandel or something, just to get away from that. Anyway,

2161
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Speaker 2: good point, and it's just turn up the concert till

2162
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 2: it basically distorts in the space, because then it sounds

2163
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:03,679
Speaker 2: exactly the same as Trevor Scott See you Tomorrow. News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be.

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