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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Heather Dupicylan Drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Nicko Lewillis on

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Speaker 4: her tight budget, meyoral candidate Ray Chung on Tory Faro

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Speaker 4: dropping out of the Wellington race, and we're going to

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Speaker 4: get you the latest from Canada as their results roll in.

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Speaker 5: Heather dup c Allen.

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Speaker 4: If nick and Lewillis can pull this budget off, I'll

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Speaker 4: tell you what, it's going to be impressive because she's

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Speaker 4: written a budget by the looks of things that are

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Speaker 4: so tight. There is basically no new money.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: If you haven't caught up on this, Nikola Willis gave

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Speaker 4: a speech this morning in which she announced that she

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Speaker 4: was going to cut back her new spending in this

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 4: Her original plan was to give herself two point four

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Speaker 4: billion dollars extra this is new money to be able

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Speaker 4: to spend this budget. Now she has just announced today

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Speaker 4: she's basically going to cut that in half. It's going

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Speaker 4: to go from two point four billion down to one

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Speaker 4: back in twenty fifteen, when Bill English only gave himself

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Speaker 4: one billion dollars in new spending that year, but gets

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Speaker 4: even tighter than that because all of that money is

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Speaker 4: already spoken for last year's budget. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: you remember this, but last year's budget promised that this

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Speaker 4: year's budget would spend an extra one point four billion

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Speaker 4: dollars on health, which basically means that her one point

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Speaker 4: three billion dollars in new spending is already gone on

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Speaker 4: that one point four billion dollar health promise. And then

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Speaker 4: on top of that, she still has to find one

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Speaker 4: the difference, right, But not only that, she also has

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Speaker 4: do you remember, middleway through last year, they announced twenty

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Speaker 4: in this budget. So that's another one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: no new spending, there is no extra money. In fact,

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Speaker 4: she's going to find that, don't you. She is going

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Speaker 4: to find that by cutting public spending and other places,

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Speaker 4: which I'm stoked about, because you do not need me

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Speaker 4: to tell you that the public service has got bloated

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Speaker 4: for all for years. And basically what I think is

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Speaker 4: going through spending with a fine toothcomb and cutting what

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Speaker 4: isn't necessary or what isn't good is actually not a

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Speaker 4: bad thing. It is just good for school discipline. To

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Speaker 4: pleased that we will not for once be going to

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Speaker 4: this year's budget wondering what we're all going to get

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Speaker 4: wondering how much has been cut and from where? Which

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Speaker 5: Together? Do for ce ellens welcome to.

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Speaker 4: Give me your thoughts on that. Nicholas with us after five,

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Speaker 4: it's nine two ninety two. It's the text number and

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Speaker 4: standard text fees apply. Now, Mayor's it turns out, and

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Speaker 4: not loving the fact that David Seymour has asked them

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Speaker 4: aware that yesterday he publicly asked the country's mayors to

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Speaker 4: so on. Anita Baker is put it to his man

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Speaker 4: is with us? Now, Hey, Anita, Hello, So I see

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Speaker 6: I'm not stoked about it. We do a lot with

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Speaker 4: Because I had a look at what he said, it

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Speaker 4: He's just asking you to sort of just keep an

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Speaker 6: It made it sound like he didn't know what we

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Speaker 6: He could have picked the phone up and spoken to

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Speaker 4: What do you do with the schools, how do you.

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Speaker 6: Well, we have a school bus that goes to the

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Speaker 4: So Anita, you can tell me if I'm wrong. But

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Speaker 4: the vibe I got from his as I say, pretty

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Speaker 4: he was basically just saying, hey, listen, if you guys

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 6: And it was looking at those numbers every day, and

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Speaker 6: We've already got truancy offices that go around, especially in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, what is your what's your attendance rate? Like

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Speaker 6: I haven't looked it up. To be fair, I've been

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Speaker 4: I'll so you yourself are truant.

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Speaker 6: As it turns out, I I've slept the fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Now, sorry, wrong with you?

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Speaker 8: Have you got COVID?

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Speaker 6: I think no, I tested. I'm sure it's a touch

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Speaker 4: Oh jeez, no, the flu takes you out for longer

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Speaker 4: than that. Listen, Anita, thanks very much, really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 4: Anita Baker Portado is mayor christ Wish mayor. Film Major

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Speaker 4: seems to be one of the ones leading the opposition

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Speaker 4: to this in a big way. He said, it's a

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Speaker 4: bit rich of the government to make a request like

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Speaker 4: And Nick MiNet he's going to be the one cooking

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Speaker 9: Hello, Hello, Heather.

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Speaker 4: So what's the problem that we have eighteen yellow cards

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Speaker 10: They're saying that the NRL are cracking down at the

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Speaker 10: higher level and telling the referees you've got to watch

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Speaker 10: the head contact because this is not good for our sport.

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Speaker 10: He can't have guys dribbling into a cup at the

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Speaker 10: age of forty, so let's start policing it. And then

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Speaker 10: I said no, not no, not no, it's just like normal.

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Speaker 10: We always do this. Yeah, Bill Harrigan's going to join us.

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Speaker 10: Do you remember Bill Harrigan from back in the days,

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Speaker 9: What does Bell reckon one of the best?

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Speaker 10: Well you find out after seven o'clock tonight when he

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Speaker 9: About it, is a lot of cards.

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Speaker 10: It's a really interesting debate around the fine balance between

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Speaker 10: also duty of care for the players too, because Lee's

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Speaker 10: actually happen. Because they're going through replay after replay after

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Speaker 10: about is there actually a solution to this, because we

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Speaker 10: need to look after the players' heads, no doubt. But

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Speaker 9: Omelooks, what do you do? You break eggs.

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Speaker 10: It's going to happen from time to time. So are

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Speaker 10: of head high cost?

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Speaker 4: The problem is, though what happened with rugby. What's frustrating

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Speaker 4: is often just a mistake. Right, So I'm totally fine

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Speaker 4: if you penalize somebody who has quite deliberately gone for

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Speaker 10: But if it's just well, they players sliding into tackles

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Speaker 4: Yelling and hold NRL. Is it the same thing that's happening.

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Speaker 10: to go, and it might have to go, well, just

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Speaker 10: let them deal with it after the game and of course

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Speaker 10: the argument there as well. If somebody transgresses and they

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Speaker 10: means the team they transgress against doesn't get the advantage.

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Speaker 10: But I think if players and teams know that's the

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Speaker 10: win and anyone's going to lose. So it's a lot though,

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Speaker 10: what do they have, like eighteen sending holes over the weekend.

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Speaker 10: That's a lot of bin time. Und I don't want

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Speaker 10: to do this, although most of them have pleaded guilty.

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Speaker 9: Right now, I did it? Give me the fount.

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Speaker 4: Have you seen this? This combat sport run it?

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Speaker 4: This is them just literally running at each other.

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Speaker 9: It's really horrible to watch.

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Speaker 10: Bodies, their heads, they're not bison.

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Speaker 4: So it's two vertical people running run at each other,

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Speaker 10: Now there's a pro version of it that I believe

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Speaker 9: And I don't know.

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Speaker 4: There's some professionals doing this.

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Speaker 4: There's not enough there's not enough risk in life. So

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Speaker 4: we're going to find it both running into each other.

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Speaker 10: Promoters. It's promoters. How can I make some money? I

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Speaker 10: reckon guys running at each other will be all I

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Speaker 4: It's a bull rush. Somebody just text and said it's

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Speaker 5: Bull rush.

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Speaker 10: Though you won't remember the healthy end days of bull rush,

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Speaker 3: How can be?

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Speaker 1: One, getting the facts discarding the fluff. It's Heather Duplicy

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Speaker 1: Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 4: News talks b Heather on this business. This is the

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Speaker 4: runner thing. I watched a round of run at last night.

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Speaker 4: The dude with the ball got Oh, they have a ball,

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Speaker 4: The dude with the ball got hit so hard he

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Speaker 4: for that. It's twenty five, all past four. Listen, Murray

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Speaker 4: Olds is going to be us shortly. Do you remember

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Speaker 4: reckon you've done as mayor? And this is what she said.

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Speaker 12: I'd give myself a nine out of ten.

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Speaker 4: Just take a moment just to yep absolute that. Now

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Speaker 4: I don't know what planet she's living on, but delusion

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Speaker 4: What was his name, Niko Weinerra. He's standing down, so

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Speaker 12: I'm a politician. I love legislation and policy and events,

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Speaker 4: But wait, it's not just parliament. She also said, I

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Speaker 4: the trouble for Wellington is that while Tory is gone,

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Speaker 4: going to do. She is going to sign as many

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Speaker 12: I have a duty as mayor to do what I

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Speaker 4: And Andrew Little might not like that, but who cares

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Speaker 13: I'm committed to this.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Just there's a lot going on. I mean there's

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Speaker 4: He's also running for mayor or for mayor in Wellings's.

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Speaker 4: Here'll be with us after five o'clock. Hither Nikola Willis

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Speaker 4: needs to go back to the Reserve Bank and cut more,

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Speaker 4: only peering them back to one fifty. Excuse me, she

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Speaker 4: just by by way of making my point for me right,

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Speaker 4: Headline's next?

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Speaker 1: Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart

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Speaker 1: of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one

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Speaker 5: That'd be normal, funny.

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Speaker 3: I'm the DEVI shide WI the downtown. Yes, there's a

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Speaker 5: Everybody find you.

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Speaker 4: If you think Chifney was having a go at you

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Speaker 4: in the news, I've got quite a few texts saying this.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. So we're going to go and have

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Speaker 4: very much. I don't think she thinks about me all

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Speaker 4: to add another zero to that ten figure from her

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Speaker 4: which I think we would all agree is more accurate.

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Speaker 4: Now I don't know if you realize this, but the

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Speaker 4: our very own Thomas Coglan, who will bear thus in

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Speaker 4: ten minutes out of the beehive, out of Parliament anyway,

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Speaker 4: the press Galery, so we have a chat to him

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Speaker 4: shortly about that. And Murray Old standing by out of

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Speaker 4: Australia twenty four away from five.

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Speaker 5: It's the world wires on youth Talks, Eddy Drive.

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Speaker 4: Canadian media have called a Liberal Party victory in the

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Speaker 4: don't yet know whether he'll be leading a minority or

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Speaker 14: Donald Trump I think has really set the stakes for

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Speaker 4: Mark Harney came in as a fresh, new, experienced leader

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Speaker 8: Were looking for that too.

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Speaker 4: However, to Europe, power has largely been restored in Spain

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Speaker 4: in Madrid. The Spanish Prime Minister says the cause of

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Speaker 4: Minister said there was no indication it was a cyber attack.

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Speaker 4: Now to Australia, Ozzie is also firmly in the grip

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Speaker 4: of election season. Of course, today the Prime Minister Albow

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Speaker 4: Hiver's vests and their hard hats to talk about all

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Speaker 4: the houses that they're building in Brisbane, and the Treasurer

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Speaker 4: Jim Chalmers has had a go at the opposition.

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Speaker 15: To they've made it about sixty two billion dollars in commitments.

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Speaker 9: That's before you get to the six.

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Speaker 15: Hundred billion dollars of nuclear reactors. Peter Dutton needs to

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Speaker 15: come clean on his secret costs and his savage cuts

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Speaker 15: which will make Australians worse off.

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Speaker 4: And finally, a speedboat in Arizona has gone airborne and

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Speaker 16: Now.

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Speaker 17: I can't thank those guys in the bottom line, as

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends an eye insurance peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 4: Murray Old's Ossie correspondents. But that's now, hey Mars, very

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Speaker 4: good afternoon. Haven't so this coppers shot the attacker at

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Speaker 4: Bondi Junction.

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Speaker 3: What they say, well, it's pretty extraordinary stuff, to be honest.

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Speaker 3: The inquest opened yesterday. We heard in the opening address

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Speaker 3: basically the man who carried out this attack, a forty

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Speaker 3: year old guy called Joel Cauchi, hadn't been treated for

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Speaker 3: acute schizophrena for five years. The Queensland authorities basically told

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Speaker 3: him to self determine if he needed any medication, and

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Speaker 3: he just went off the radar for five years, living

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Speaker 3: rough in Sydney and looking up dreadful stuff on the

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Speaker 3: Internet about stabbing attacks and mass murder and the like. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: on that Saturday afternoon, those who know Sydney, the Eastern

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Speaker 3: Suburbs Westfield Bondai Junction, very very big center, and it

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Speaker 3: was packed and Joel Couchi's arrived, pulled out a knife

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Speaker 3: and just gone crazy for three minutes. Six people dead,

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Speaker 3: ten others very badly injured. Anyway, Amy Scott is a

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Speaker 3: New South Wales police inspector. She was nearby when she

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Speaker 3: had this. All the units, all the units, Eastern Suburbs.

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Speaker 3: Any car, we're getting multiple calls about multiple stabbings. Get

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Speaker 3: to Bondai Junction. She's gone straight there, see only a

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Speaker 3: few minutes away in the patrol car anyway out the front.

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Speaker 3: There's everyone's pouring out of a center because this guy's

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Speaker 3: going crazy. On the fifth level, she's pulled over by

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Speaker 3: two French guys and a third fellow and they say

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Speaker 3: we know where he is. She says, right, follow me.

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Speaker 3: Out comes the weapon. They go roaring inside up the escalators,

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Speaker 3: and within a moment or two she's face to face

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Speaker 3: with his Joel catchy fellow. Now she's looking at him,

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Speaker 3: he's looking at her. Behind him, she can see a

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Speaker 3: baby's pram and a couple of women, one of whom's

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Speaker 3: hiding behind a pot plat. She mouths to one of

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Speaker 3: the women, run, run, run, and this guy turns around,

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Speaker 3: looks at the police. She's an inspector, pretty experienced. He

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Speaker 3: just decides I'm going to charge right at her at

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Speaker 3: the police inspector. Well, bang bang, bang, three shots and

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Speaker 3: he's down. He's fatally injured. So all of this in

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Speaker 3: a matter of minutes. And if I'm not just telling

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Speaker 3: you this, it's like a movie hitter, or it's like

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Speaker 3: something on television, but it's real. This guy was not treated.

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Speaker 3: Acute mental illness on the streets spun out and there

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Speaker 3: all these people died all these people very very badly wounded.

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Speaker 3: Now he's dead. And this woman her self, she acknowledged

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Speaker 3: when she began she began giving evidence, acknowledged the pain

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Speaker 3: and the trauma, all the hurt that the people involved

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Speaker 3: had suffered. And she actually said, you know what I'm

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Speaker 3: suffering as well. She's got something like PTSD or something

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Speaker 3: along those lines, apparently, so as you would expect, I guess.

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Speaker 3: So that looked much more evidence to come. But it's

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Speaker 3: it's pretty harrowing stuff, it must be said.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And then you've also got the trial, Day one

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Speaker 4: of the trial of the mushroom chef.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Aaron Pattison, and she's fifty years old. Everyone

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Speaker 3: knows they are. Nearly two years ago, four people turn

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Speaker 3: up at her place for lunch, her ex in laws

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Speaker 3: and the sister of one and that the sister's husband.

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Speaker 3: Four people sitting down for a beef Wellington lunch and

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Speaker 3: three of them die from it. Now she's accused of

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Speaker 3: three counts of murder. She's denied it, of course, And

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Speaker 3: in all this time, the prosecution getting itself ready for

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Speaker 3: this case. Five to six weeks they say it's going

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Speaker 3: to run today. Procedure or really heather. Around one hundred

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Speaker 3: and twenty locals. The trials being held out in East Gippsland,

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Speaker 3: east of Melbourne. Around one hundred and twenty locals were

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Speaker 3: summoned for jury duty. A large pool was whittled down

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Speaker 3: via a random ballot. Now fifteen jurors. You've got the

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Speaker 3: twelve and the jury plus three alternates and the jury

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Speaker 3: panel will get some instructions we understand from Justice Bale

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Speaker 3: in about twenty minutes from now. So this represents the

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Speaker 3: start of the trial. And I can tell you there's

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Speaker 3: global interest in this in this case right around the

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Speaker 3: people are just fascinated by it.

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Speaker 4: Have they got international news crews there as far?

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Speaker 3: Look, I heard that this morning. I've not been down there.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I heard it on one of the

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Speaker 3: news bullets that you know, BBC parenties down there. You've got,

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Speaker 3: I mean everything in Australia is represented, but I understand

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Speaker 3: the BBC's there as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fascinating. Okay, Hey listen, does it sound to

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Speaker 4: you like the NRL is standing by these welcome to

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Speaker 4: country ceremonies one hundred.

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Speaker 3: If you look at the playing roster you've got, you've

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Speaker 3: got Maldi. You've got Polynesians, You've got you know, every

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Speaker 3: shade of of of of color under the sun. You're

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Speaker 3: not going to drop. That's part of the DNA of

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Speaker 3: the of the National Rugby League. And it was last

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Speaker 3: Friday when Peter Dutton was asked about this idiot who booed,

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Speaker 3: this right wing neo nazi who booed the welcome to

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Speaker 3: country at the ANZAC dawn service in Melbourne. He said,

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Speaker 3: that's disgraceful. Of course that welcome the Country should take place,

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Speaker 3: but it flip flopped on Monday said no, no, no, I

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Speaker 3: think it's it's well overdone. It's well overdone. And look,

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Speaker 3: I don't think any of the service people, servicemen and

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Speaker 3: women like it very much either. Well, hello, this morning

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Speaker 3: I come out and said, well, yes we do, Peter,

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Speaker 3: thanks very much. And the NRL with the Magic Round

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Speaker 3: that's coming up this weekend up in Brisbane. The NRL says, listen,

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Speaker 3: of course it's part of our program, but it's always

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Speaker 3: going to be part of our program. So many of

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Speaker 3: our players are indigenous, so many of our players it

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Speaker 3: means a lot to them. Is it such a big deal?

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Speaker 3: They're simply saying welcome to Indigenous country. We've been here

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Speaker 3: for sixty five thousand years. And that's been the problem

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Speaker 3: with Peter Dutton's campaign. He gets sidetracked on these kind

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Speaker 3: of cultural war issues about being woke and all the

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Speaker 3: rest of that nonsense. If he'd stuck to cost a

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Speaker 3: living from the start, he might be able to have

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Speaker 3: a bit of chance for success on Saturday that he's

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Speaker 3: currently looking at.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting stuff, Murray, thank you very much, really appreciate

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Speaker 4: it's Murray Old's our Australia correspondents. Hither buggerbe Nichola willis

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Speaker 4: bloody tough job. I hope One News aren't going to

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Speaker 4: crucify her. That's from us now. I don't know are

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Speaker 4: One News in particular going to crucify her or is

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Speaker 4: she just going to have hard time from absolutely all

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Speaker 4: the media because let me tell you this now, I

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Speaker 4: make this prediction right. It's going to be painted as

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Speaker 4: an austerity budget and then she's going to be the

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Speaker 4: mean guy for cutting all the money. And you just

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Speaker 4: hundred percent this is a narrative that's going to take hold.

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Speaker 4: This is the very thing that we need to do

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Speaker 4: as a country's pair back our spending. But she'll be

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Speaker 4: the mean guy for doing it, and she'll be austerity anyway.

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Speaker 4: Thomas Coglan out of press galleries with us.

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Speaker 1: Next, it's quarter two politics with centrics. Credit, check your

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Speaker 1: customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 4: Thomas Coglan, The Herald's political editors with us. Thomas Hallo here,

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Speaker 4: good afternoon. Nicola can pull this off. It's impressive, right.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, this is this is really consequential. I think. I

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Speaker 18: mean this this operating allowance, that's the name we give

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Speaker 18: to the new discretionary spending reduced from two point four

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Speaker 18: billion dollars to just one point three billion dollars. It's

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Speaker 18: the smallest amount of new spending in a decade, So

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Speaker 18: you'd have to go back to the bill English budget

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Speaker 18: to get one the small And basically what that means

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Speaker 18: is that in order to get the books back into

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Speaker 18: surplus to start paying down the debt, Nicola Willis has

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Speaker 18: decided to make the departments basically metabolize their own spending.

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Speaker 18: If you need extra money in your department, if you're

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Speaker 18: a chief executive, you're going to have to sort of

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Speaker 18: have a one in one out policy cutting something somewhere

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Speaker 18: in order to pay for something. Somewhere else. It's quite

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Speaker 18: it's quite big, and I think I took a lot

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Speaker 18: a lot of people, including myself by surprise.

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Speaker 4: Well, what it says to us is that, I mean,

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Speaker 4: is it possible because it feels like the cuts that

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Speaker 4: this will require will run deeper than the cuts that

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Speaker 4: we saw last budget.

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Speaker 18: Yes. I think when you think about the cuts last budget,

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Speaker 18: you know that the government got its feet under the

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Speaker 18: desk and December twenty three and they basically said to

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Speaker 18: the public service, look fine, six and a half percent

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Speaker 18: to seven and a half percent of your baseline and

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Speaker 18: then get rid of it. And it was pretty quick,

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Speaker 18: pretty pretty blunt. I guess this time around, I think

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Speaker 18: they've done a deeper look into departmental spending and they've

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Speaker 18: actually been I think from what I'm sort of hearing it,

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Speaker 18: they've been quite sort of specific. They've locked to a

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Speaker 18: line of spending and said right rid of that or

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Speaker 18: maybe you know, tweak it like this to save some money.

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Speaker 18: And I think because of that, what you'll probably see

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Speaker 18: on budget Day twenty second of May is you'll see

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Speaker 18: larger line items that that are that are freeing up funding.

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Speaker 18: So you might see two hundred million dollars freed up

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Speaker 18: from here, three hundred million dollars freed up from from there.

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Speaker 18: That that that sort of feels like we might be

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Speaker 18: heading in that direction rather than just reducing services.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so are you hearing a new rumors about

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Speaker 4: what is being cut?

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Speaker 18: Well, I did. I did have a discussion with with

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Speaker 18: my colleague Gena Timsarini, who comes on your show a

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Speaker 18: bit with Nikola Willison December last year. Now, now she

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Speaker 18: was talking in the hypothetical, so just you know, putting

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Speaker 18: that out there. But but there we had a discussion

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Speaker 18: about means testing certain things. The Best Art Payment, that's

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Speaker 18: the payment to new parents that goes to every every

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Speaker 18: new parent. Ian Rennie has also spoken. The Treasury Secretary

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Speaker 18: has mentioned things like the key we save a subsidies.

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Speaker 18: I think it's up to five hundred and twenty dollars

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Speaker 18: a year that with the cup it s means a

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Speaker 18: billion dollars a year on that, So you could means

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Speaker 18: test that as well. Again, obviously these are all hypotheticals

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Speaker 18: that haven't been confirmed. And the other one I suppose

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Speaker 18: would be the Winter Energy payment. I think that's about

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Speaker 18: half a billion dollars is spent on that again, Hold on.

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Speaker 4: Take okake. Here's the argument that the argument has always been

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Speaker 4: mounted is that that the admin that it takes to

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Speaker 4: means test is so expensive that you actually end up

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Speaker 4: saving very little.

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Speaker 18: Yes, yeah, do you put the.

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Speaker 4: Onus on the person to prove that they actually qualify

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Speaker 4: for it?

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Speaker 18: Oh gosh, you're getting you.

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Speaker 4: Know what I mean? Like, if you the government have

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Speaker 4: to prove that they don't qualify, then the costers on you.

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Speaker 4: But if you now say you have to prove to me,

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Speaker 4: look what the government has just done with this the

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Speaker 4: rebate that they've given to the child test stuff.

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Speaker 18: Right to repeat that cake No.

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Speaker 4: But you know, like Thomas, they have made it so

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Speaker 4: difficult to get that money back because you've got to

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Speaker 4: collect your invoices for three months and then you've got

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Speaker 4: to do all the paper because it's so hard that

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Speaker 4: heaps people just don't do it right. So you could

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Speaker 4: do the same thing with the best start payments. You

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Speaker 4: could do the same thing with with the winter energy payments,

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Speaker 4: couldn't you?

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Speaker 3: You see?

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Speaker 18: I think I think in the cases of I mean,

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Speaker 18: you're quite right, and I think I think the government

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Speaker 18: would never again look to do a rebate style thing

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Speaker 18: like best start based on the experience. I mean, this

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Speaker 18: is speculation what they've had this year. I think if

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Speaker 18: you're looking on the key we save a key, we

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Speaker 18: save a winter energy payment and and the and and

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Speaker 18: ab start payment, you could probably means test that by

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Speaker 18: income testing it. And that would be much easier because

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Speaker 18: the ID he has all of our incomes, and it

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Speaker 18: would be an easier thing to to do this.

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Speaker 4: And I need to talk to you about Toy now.

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Speaker 4: Tory has been an abys objectively has been an abysmal

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Speaker 4: failure as the Wellington mayor. Are the Greens really going

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Speaker 4: to let her come in on their list?

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Speaker 18: Look, I'm going to give you a controversial take to

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Speaker 18: to give give people something to text in about. I

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Speaker 18: I actually think Tory. I think the future will probably

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Speaker 18: treat her more kindly than the present. I think certainly

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Speaker 18: the rates increases have been I think probably excessive. I

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Speaker 18: personally I think the airport's say a idea wasn't a

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Speaker 18: terrible idea, but I think that I think the water investment,

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Speaker 18: which has been undermined by Wellington waters bungling, is actually

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Speaker 18: you know, a pretty positive thing.

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Speaker 4: You have to be drag kicking and screaming to that carry.

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Speaker 18: On, and I think I mean that. I think a

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Speaker 18: large part of the negative sentiment is probably to do

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Speaker 18: with the town Hall and the Central Library blowing a

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Speaker 18: hole in central Wellington, and i'll.

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Speaker 4: Do with her being a boozer in public.

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Speaker 18: Well I would I think that that is that. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 18: I think that is that is that is certainly not

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Speaker 18: helping the pro Tory case thromas when.

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Speaker 4: You stop talking right now, and we're going to call

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Speaker 4: your colleagues and we're going to ask them to take

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Speaker 4: your temperature and just just make sure that you're not sick,

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Speaker 4: because I.

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Speaker 18: Look, it's not a it's not a ten out of

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Speaker 18: team mirror too, or even perhaps a nine out of team,

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Speaker 18: which is what she's saying on the rail.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, Listen, they're listening. Tell them to come.

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Speaker 18: Immediately, all right, I'll.

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Speaker 4: Panadole and just lay you down because we think they

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Speaker 4: were not well.

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Speaker 18: I'll get Jason to bring up them back.

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Speaker 4: Most okay, Thomas listens, thank you, go have a lie down.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's Political edit. So

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Speaker 4: I don't know what's happened to him. Seven away from

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Speaker 4: five putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 19: Breakfast, what are difference government makes? Say under labor Literally

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Speaker 19: nobody got tossed out of a caying or a house,

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Speaker 19: no matter how bad the behavior got. Under the current government,

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Speaker 19: we're up to two hundred and ninety nine tenancies terminate

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Speaker 19: a litigation. Lawyer Deana thorns with us on this.

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Speaker 20: It's a significant improvement.

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Speaker 14: I had a lot of people contacting me affected by.

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Speaker 20: Them, and I did some rough calculations.

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Speaker 12: I thought the figure that needed to be a victis

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Speaker 12: with their thousand.

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Speaker 20: Let's be clear. The media like to call this anti social.

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Speaker 19: It's a good political word.

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Speaker 11: I'm talking about people doing really.

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Speaker 12: Agregous violence, stuff that is threatening.

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Speaker 20: To their names.

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Speaker 12: And I spoke to a lovely old lady who said

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Speaker 12: to me, I can't have my grandchildren do the thing.

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Speaker 20: We're talking the worst of the worst.

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Speaker 19: Back tomorrow at six am, the mic hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 19: the rain drove of the laugh News.

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Speaker 4: Talk zaid, be here the what has Thomas been smoking?

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Speaker 4: Can I get some hither? Thomas needs to grow up?

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Speaker 4: Herether Thomas has got COVID. Hither that wasn't Thomas that

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Speaker 4: was in fact Chloe Swarbrick with a man's voice, and

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Speaker 4: he needs to go into zombie hour, and so it

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Speaker 4: goes on. Thomas is on his own on this one. Look,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I appreciate that he was playing the

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Speaker 4: devil's advocate just to get us to think about it.

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Speaker 4: And maybe he's right. Maybe as time goes by and

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Speaker 4: the kind of shock of having to deal with Tory,

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Speaker 4: you know, sort of washes away from us, maybe we

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Speaker 4: will be less harsh on her in years to come.

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Speaker 4: But at the moment, it's very hard to believe that. Anyway. Listen,

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Speaker 4: the Canadian results are coming in. Mark Carney has won

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Speaker 4: the Canadian election. Unclear at the stage, as I said earlier,

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Speaker 4: as to whether he's got a minority or a majority.

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Speaker 4: So we're going to go to Canada in about twenty

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Speaker 4: minutes time. Get the lads. This is stunning. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this guy, Look, this guy is not new to politics

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Speaker 4: and not new to the global stage. He used to

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Speaker 4: be was the Central Banker of Canada, and then he

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Speaker 4: went to be the Central Banker of England, so he

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Speaker 4: knows his way around this stuff. But to come in

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Speaker 4: and take over like this is pretty impressive. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 4: as I said, we'll have a chat over in Canada.

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Speaker 4: But straight after the news, Nikola Willis on how on

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Speaker 4: earth she's going to make this budget work? Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 5: Digging through the spin to find the real story story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dup the drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 4: Afternoon. The Finance Minister has set quite the task for

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Speaker 4: herself with the upcoming budget, today announcing she will cut

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Speaker 4: her new spending allowance virtually in half, from two point

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Speaker 4: four billion dollars to just one point three billion dollars. Now,

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Speaker 4: to find out how she's going to do it, let's

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Speaker 4: seak to Nichola Willis hig Nichola, Hello, Am I right

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Speaker 4: in thinking you've actually got no money because you've set

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Speaker 4: aside one point three billion for operating allowance, but you've

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Speaker 4: you've already spent most of that on health with the

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Speaker 4: one point four billion promise last year, plus with the

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Speaker 4: iMac money for the new medicine. So you actually already

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Speaker 4: in deficit, aren't you.

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Speaker 21: No, we've got plenty of money for the things we need,

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Speaker 21: which include health, which include education, which include defense, because

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Speaker 21: we've gone through the other tens of billions of dollars

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Speaker 21: of government spending that just goes on and on, and

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Speaker 21: we've reviewed it to say, what is no longer the

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Speaker 21: highest priority are the areas where we can make savings,

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Speaker 21: where we can shave things off, things that haven't delivered

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Speaker 21: what they said they would, so that we can take

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Speaker 21: those dollars and then invest them in today's priorities. Actually,

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Speaker 21: that's what should happen at every budget. Last budget we

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Speaker 21: did that. We found twenty three billion dollars worth of savings.

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Speaker 21: This budget, we've done that such that we're going to

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Speaker 21: be able to make the investments New Zealanders need to

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Speaker 21: see by reprioritizing from elsewhere. And that's going to stop

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Speaker 21: the borrowing getting out of control. And that's really important

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Speaker 21: right now, Heather.

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Speaker 4: How much money have you managed to save.

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Speaker 21: Well, I'm not going to give you that figure today,

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Speaker 21: but we've saved enough that we now don't need to

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Speaker 21: spend as much extra cash and do as much extra

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Speaker 21: borrowing as would have been the case. And that means

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Speaker 21: that we're still on track to get the books back

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Speaker 21: in balance. Now after all of the Trump staff and

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Speaker 21: the global events that have been occurring. Treasury said to me,

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Speaker 21: if you stick to the old allowance, you won't get

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Speaker 21: the books back in balance within the forecast period. You'll

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Speaker 21: keep accumulating debt. And I don't think that would have

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Speaker 21: been responsible because that is the kind of conditions that

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Speaker 21: makes New Zealand very economically unstable. It drives up inflation,

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Speaker 21: interest rates, and ultimately it's debt that our kids need

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Speaker 21: to repay. So we've stuck to the strategy and been responsible.

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Speaker 4: You haven't saved enough to get us into surplus, have you.

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Speaker 21: We are forecasting at this point a very small surplus

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Speaker 21: in twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 4: Are you managing to cut some of the spending by

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Speaker 4: doing means testing of things like best start payments, winter

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Speaker 4: energy payments, key we saber contributions.

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Speaker 21: Well, we've stuck to our coalition commitments and those are

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Speaker 21: built out clearly. So, for example, the Prime Minister confirmed

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Speaker 21: that he wouldn't be doing anything with the winter energy payment.

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Speaker 21: So there have been some guardrails around what we've looked at,

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Speaker 21: and we've asked ourselves these two questions. One is this

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Speaker 21: worth borrowing to pay for?

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Speaker 3: Two?

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Speaker 21: Are we absolutely certain these dollars couldn't be invested for

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Speaker 21: more impact in our health service and our schools, and

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Speaker 21: supporting businesses to grow and targeted cost of living relief.

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Speaker 21: So those questions have informed our savings decisions.

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Speaker 4: Any means testing at all being introduced.

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Speaker 21: Well, you'll have to wait and see at the budget

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Speaker 21: what savings we're delivering. We've been really careful to make

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Speaker 21: sure that the proposals we're putting forward are fair and

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Speaker 21: are affordable, and they'll all meet that test.

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Speaker 4: But that's a yes, isn't it. There will be leans

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Speaker 4: testing well.

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Speaker 21: Of course, we have means testing across government right now,

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Speaker 21: which is basically that people on much higher and comes

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Speaker 21: often don't need as much support as people on lower incomes,

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Speaker 21: and people on hiring comes of course aren't eligible for

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Speaker 21: all of the same supports as lower income New Zealand

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Speaker 21: as are.

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Speaker 4: Is there any tweaks to the emissions trading scheme at all?

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Speaker 21: That is not something that is in.

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Speaker 4: The budget night, Okay, Nicholas, thank you.

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Speaker 21: Now we're playing the rule and rollout game well.

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Speaker 4: And I will stop it immediately. Thank you, Thank you

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Speaker 4: very much for your time. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 21: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Nicholaulli's Finance Minister eleven past five.

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Speaker 5: Heatherdoper Cela So, Wellington man.

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Speaker 4: Tory Farno, has announced that she's pulling out of the

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Speaker 4: Wellington meryoral race. She will instead run in the Maori Ward. Seed.

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Speaker 4: Ray Chung is a Wellington City councilor who's also running

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Speaker 4: for me, and he's with us.

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Speaker 22: Now, Hey, Ray, Hey, Heather, how are you going?

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Speaker 3: Very well?

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Speaker 4: It's cheers, you're coming in hot. Let's take you by surprise.

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Speaker 18: Not really.

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Speaker 22: I'm actually having a good chat with were Torri over

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Speaker 22: enz weekend at the commemoration and she's we were talking

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Speaker 22: about and threw little coming in and what that actually

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Speaker 22: meant to her and what what what would they actually

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Speaker 22: mean to anyone else opposing them? So so I think

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Speaker 22: there's something that's going to happen, but you know, it

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Speaker 22: surprised me that it happens so quickly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and how are you feeling about it? Because you

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Speaker 4: do sound pippy. Do you feel like this gives you

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Speaker 4: a better chance?

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Speaker 22: I think I don't think it changes things much because

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Speaker 22: I reckon that there's actually not much daylight between Tory's

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Speaker 22: policies and Andrew's policies and so so it's pretty much

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Speaker 22: keeping the same strategy. I mean, my strategy is completely

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Speaker 22: different from theirs, and so I don't think it needs

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Speaker 22: to change it all just because it's Andrew, that Andrew

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Speaker 22: and Tory team, and and you know, anyone else that

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Speaker 22: comes up.

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Speaker 4: When you say Andrew and Tory team, are you referring

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Speaker 4: to the fact that she's already put herself out there

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Speaker 4: as a possible deputy for him.

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Speaker 22: Yes, yes, I think so. And she's she's going for

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Speaker 22: the easiest seat in council that the mary Ward Council,

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Speaker 22: because you know what a Niel get what's these how

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Speaker 22: many votes did he actually get to get in what

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Speaker 22: six hundred and seven hundred or something? Everyone else needed

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Speaker 22: three and half the five and a half thousand votes,

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Speaker 22: so that that is the easiest seat to win.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that Do you think that she will

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Speaker 4: be Andrew Little's deputy?

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Speaker 22: I think that there's a little chance of it, yes,

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Speaker 22: because there they are points of because I think that

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Speaker 22: I think that they actually had came to a deal

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Speaker 22: where she would actually step back, so she was their

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Speaker 22: their natural their natural competitors.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm. And do you have proof of this?

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Speaker 20: I don't have.

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Speaker 22: Proof it, but last night I went to the vision

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Speaker 22: for Wellington meeting and people will approach me and talk

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Speaker 22: to me about this. Now, I said that I thought

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Speaker 22: this was meant to be embargoed until five am this morning.

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Speaker 22: But but people last night knew all about it, and

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Speaker 22: so there was a hypothesis. There were there two scenarios

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Speaker 22: that came up, and this is the more credible of them.

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Speaker 22: And so I think that because they both agree on

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Speaker 22: the same thing, they're both you know, want the same policies,

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Speaker 22: I think, why wouldn't they work together? I mean, I

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Speaker 22: think I think that I probably would if you know,

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Speaker 22: if there was candidate who had the same policies that

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Speaker 22: I did in the same situation.

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Speaker 4: She gives herself a nine out of ten? What do

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Speaker 4: you give.

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Speaker 22: A half out of ten?

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Speaker 4: Only a half?

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Speaker 16: Ray?

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Speaker 4: Thank you appreciate, I appreciate your time, and even that's

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Speaker 4: probably given begrudgingly. Rage young merl.

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Speaker 5: Candidate Heather Duplessy Allen.

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Speaker 4: Did you see how much coal Huntley has stockpiled for

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Speaker 4: this upcoming winter? Because you know, like me, last winter

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Speaker 4: was a bit with the old touch and go with

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Speaker 4: the old electricity, wasn't it. So they're a bit worried.

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Speaker 4: They have got one point two million tons stockpiled at Huntley. Now,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to give you some context. That is more

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Speaker 4: than triple what they normally have at Huntley. Normally at

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Speaker 4: Huntley they have a little pile sitting there about three

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty thousand tons this time around one point

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Speaker 4: two million, three times as more than three times as

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Speaker 4: much last year. It outstrips last year. Last year they

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Speaker 4: were carrying a lot. Last year they were carrying eight

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Speaker 4: hundred tons in the little piles over there. It's more

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Speaker 4: than that now, I'm I'm just telling you this because

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Speaker 4: we all know, just because we all know, we all

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Speaker 4: know that the whole thing is a joke that's going

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Speaker 4: on here, right. So I'm telling you this because if

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Speaker 4: you know somebody in your family or in your friendship

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Speaker 4: group who's really worried about the climate, and you know

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Speaker 4: how badges you about it, and is they you're going

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Speaker 4: to do any thing for the climate, you make sure

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Speaker 4: that this winter they're turning their lights and heater is off,

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Speaker 4: because if they're not, they're burning coal and they're complicit

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Speaker 4: in it, aren't they. Quarter past Now, you don't need

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Speaker 4: me to tell you that it's a tough time to

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Speaker 4: be doing business at the moment right now, and the buzzword,

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Speaker 4: of course everywhere is efficiency. Now. In chatting to One

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Speaker 4: New Zealand, they reckon the business is making the biggest

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Speaker 4: strides are doubling down on mobility.

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Speaker 16: Now.

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Speaker 4: You're obviously asking what's mobility right Well, it's more than

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Speaker 4: just mobile plans. It's about smart tools and simple tech

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Speaker 4: that help you do better business in more places. It's

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Speaker 4: endless data, great devices and smart security, all connected in

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Speaker 4: a trusted mobile networks that working on the go is

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Speaker 4: as easy as sitting in the office. And the secret

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Speaker 4: to this is making it effortless because great things happen

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Speaker 4: when business gets connected, sharing knowledge, solving problems, stepping up

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Speaker 4: for customers wherever you need them to be. So if

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Speaker 4: you need a smart way to deliver more, talk to

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Speaker 4: One New Zealand or go to one dot enz forward

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Speaker 4: slash mobility today. That's one Dot endzed forward slash mobility.

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Speaker 4: Get your experts connected with theirs and do better business

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Speaker 4: in more places.

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Speaker 5: Together do for clan A nineteen past five.

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Speaker 4: Here then, Nicholas is doing what households have to do

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Speaker 4: when businesses when times are tough and make hard choices

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Speaker 4: and that's exactly what's going on. I think we can

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Speaker 4: all see that now. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation has called

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Speaker 4: the Canadian election for Prime Minister Mark Carney's Liberal Party.

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Speaker 4: Kat Tunney is a senior reporter at CBC's Parliamentary Bureau.

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Speaker 7: Hey Kat, good morning.

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Speaker 4: Now, this is stunning, isn't it for somebody who's just

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Speaker 4: arrived in politics to be able to pull it off

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Speaker 4: like this?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is what we're seeing tonight.

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Speaker 14: You could not be even ballabled just a few months ago,

954
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Speaker 14: back when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was leaving the party,

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Speaker 14: Canadians had really soured on him after a decade. They

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Speaker 14: were upset about the carbon tax, and it was looking,

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Speaker 14: you know, as much as you know polls, if you

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Speaker 14: can trust them, it was looking like he was going

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Speaker 14: to be a clear slam dunk win for the Conservative

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Speaker 14: Party here in this country to get a majority government. Well,

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Speaker 14: fast forward today and fast forward to tomorrow, County kind

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Speaker 14: of having this whirlwind twitch rone and five where he

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Speaker 14: took over the party and then then led his party

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Speaker 14: to it to a victory tonight. It is quite quite

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Speaker 14: a stunning, stutning thing.

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Speaker 7: That we've watched. We have not yet heard from him tonight.

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Speaker 7: I think he's about to speak in a few minutes.

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Speaker 7: There's only a.

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Speaker 14: Little bit of I guess a tempered, uh you know,

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Speaker 14: mood here because it's not actually clear yet if you'll

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Speaker 14: have a majority or minority government.

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Speaker 7: We're kind of waiting to see that.

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Speaker 14: You know, I think he, like like any leader, he was,

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Speaker 14: he was hoping for a strong mandate and a majority

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Speaker 14: to you know, be able to do what he would

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Speaker 14: like to do and have some comment. So now he

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Speaker 14: might have to figure out who his dance partners are

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Speaker 14: and perhaps reach across the aisle and not something that

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Speaker 14: he perhaps one wants to do, but it and you know,

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Speaker 14: taking that aside, yeah, you know, it is quite a

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Speaker 14: stunning win.

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Speaker 4: How much of this has got to do with his

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Speaker 4: own personal attributes and how much of it has got

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Speaker 4: to do with Trump giving him the opportunity.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think there's there's a mix here, and part

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Speaker 14: of it clearly Trump has shaped this election, not just

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Speaker 14: his re election become November, but you know, the trade,

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Speaker 14: the global trade war that that he's kicked off. And

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Speaker 14: then on top of that these kind of thought were

990
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Speaker 14: first jokes about making Canada the fifty first state which

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Speaker 14: have become you know, persistent and grown and really kind

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Speaker 14: of rejuvenated kind of Canadian patriotism in face of those comments.

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Speaker 14: So clearly that has shaped the election. There's also how

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Speaker 14: Mark Carney was able to pitch himself to voters to to.

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Speaker 7: Respond to that.

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Speaker 14: You know, he Canadians would know him as, you know,

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Speaker 14: the former governor of the Bank of Canada here then

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Speaker 14: he left to lead the Bank of England, so he

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Speaker 14: has those credentials, you know, and he made the pitch,

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Speaker 14: you know, I'm an outsider, but I'm a mature, steady

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Speaker 14: hand will be able to take on Trump in this

1002
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Speaker 14: kind of global uncertainty as we hadn't economic uncertainty at

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Speaker 14: the same time.

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Speaker 7: So it's a bit a bit of both. He was

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Speaker 7: able to use.

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Speaker 14: His kind of resume, if you will, to address Canadians'

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Speaker 14: real fears about you know, Donald Trump's being reelected just

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Speaker 14: south of US.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, brilliant stuff. Hey, thanks very much, Kat, really appreciate

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Speaker 4: a Cat Tunny, senior reporter at CBC's Parliamentary Bureau five

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Speaker 4: twenty two, checking.

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Speaker 5: The point of the story.

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Speaker 1: It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one new Zealand. Let's

1014
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Speaker 1: get connected and news talk sa'd.

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Speaker 4: B twenty four past five. Now, look, I have to

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Speaker 4: be honest with you. There is a part of me

1017
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Speaker 4: that has a grudging respect for Torri Thano because she

1018
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Speaker 4: has this amazing ability to be able to talk absolute

1019
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Speaker 4: crap with a straight face. Do you know what I mean?

1020
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Speaker 4: According to her, her reason for giving up the mayoral

1021
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Speaker 4: race is that she wants to give Andrew Little a

1022
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Speaker 4: clear runway to win. I mean, come on, doesn't need

1023
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Speaker 4: you to step aside, lady, She was gonna lose. That's

1024
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Speaker 4: probably why she quit because Andrew Little, whether you like

1025
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Speaker 4: as politics or not, is a serious and credible and

1026
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Speaker 4: smart person and Torri Fano is none of the above. Now, also,

1027
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Speaker 4: please do not start with this nonsense like some commentators

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Speaker 4: I've noticed in politicians today have done, saying that Torri

1029
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Speaker 4: Fano is quitting because it got too personal and people

1030
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Speaker 4: have been illogically hateful towards her. Tory was the one

1031
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Speaker 4: who made it personal. She made this whole thing about

1032
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Speaker 4: her person and her character. She made on numerous occasions,

1033
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Speaker 4: she made this about her being a young wahi ne mari.

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Speaker 4: I mean, she was the one who said out loud

1035
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Speaker 4: virtually every single thing that popped into her head. She

1036
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Speaker 4: blamed her bad behavior on her ADHD. She blamed her

1037
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Speaker 4: bad behavior on her alcoholism. She told Paul Keys about

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Speaker 4: needing to sell her car to pay her mortgage. She

1039
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Speaker 4: told us about her personal problems as an excuse for

1040
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Speaker 4: being bad at her job. She told us and reminded

1041
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Speaker 4: us that she was young, and was mari and was

1042
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Speaker 4: a woman as an excuse for us being mean to her. Right,

1043
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Speaker 4: she is the one who did this. The truth is

1044
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Speaker 4: that being a leader is about what you achieve, absolutely,

1045
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Speaker 4: but it is also about your character. And frankly, on

1046
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Speaker 4: both those things, do you think she did well? No,

1047
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Speaker 4: Tory Faro has been a disappointment, and that is no

1048
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Speaker 4: one else's fault.

1049
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Speaker 5: But Tory's ever duper see Ellen.

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Speaker 4: And speaking of which he is Chris Hopkins.

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Speaker 3: Women in politics in New Zealand, particularly women from different ethnicities,

1052
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Speaker 3: certainly seem to be subjected to far more personal denigration

1053
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Speaker 3: and abuse than others are.

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Speaker 23: And it's not okay.

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Speaker 4: I don't know who he's talking about, but maybe he's

1056
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Speaker 4: talking about Goalris. I feel like that might have been

1057
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Speaker 4: Goalrus's fault. He could be talking about Darlene, But I

1058
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Speaker 4: also feel like that could be Darlene's fault. Maybe he's

1059
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Speaker 4: talking about Tory once again, you know my feeling. Maybe

1060
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Speaker 4: he's talking about Julia and Genter her fault. Maybe he's

1061
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Speaker 4: talking about Jasinda her fault. I'm just saying. The list

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Speaker 4: of ladies who've copped it is probably a list of

1063
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Speaker 4: ladies who I don't know brought it upon themselves. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: speaking of men who copped it, because we're fair on

1065
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Speaker 4: this show, we give a crack to ladies and the men.

1066
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Speaker 4: And Scott Simpson has been wearing it on this show,

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Speaker 4: hasn't he the last few days. So I saw Scott

1068
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Speaker 4: put on an email today supporting FinTechs to boost competition.

1069
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Speaker 4: I said, I thought, well, Scott's working. So I sent

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Speaker 4: it to the German and I said, Scott working. She

1071
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Speaker 4: said yes. I said, you want to ask him if

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Speaker 4: he wants to come on the show. She suck, welcome,

1073
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Speaker 4: why not? So guess who said he's coming on the show.

1074
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Speaker 4: Scott And he's with us after the headlines news talks.

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Speaker 4: He'd be.

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Speaker 1: After making the news. The newsmakers talk to Heather first.

1077
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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

1078
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Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be and then that I've gone.

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Speaker 4: Was standing by, They're going to be with us very shortly.

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Speaker 4: Mark Carney over in Canada has just declared.

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Speaker 24: Who's ready, who's ready, who's ready to stand up for

1083
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Speaker 24: Canada with me? And who's ready who's ready to build

1084
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Speaker 24: Canada strong?

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Speaker 9: Heather?

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Speaker 5: Do the ce Ellen?

1087
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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 4: The government's found itself caught up in another race based

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Speaker 4: targeting controversy in the last few days. This time, of course,

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00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 4: it featured ACC and so far we haven't heard from

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Speaker 4: the minister at the center of it, but Scott Simpson

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Speaker 4: is with us now.

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Speaker 13: Scott, Hello, Hello Heather, thank you for being so patient.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for thank you for turning up. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Now tell me what happened. Why did you support this

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Speaker 4: and then reverse your position on it?

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Speaker 13: Well, look, this is ACC's tender and we do have

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00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 13: an issue with under reporting and overexposure to manufacturing workplace

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00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 13: incidents relating to MARI and Pacifica. But that said, our

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00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 13: government's very clear that services, public services need to be

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00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 13: on the basis of need, not race. So ACC I

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Speaker 13: think now understand that I've made it very clear to

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Speaker 13: the Chief Executive and to the Chairman of the Board

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Speaker 13: that any future initiatives of this sort need to be

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Speaker 13: in conformance with the Cabinet memo on service delivery.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so what happened? Did you just not see the

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00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 4: cabinet memo?

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Speaker 16: No?

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00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 13: No, I certainly saw the cabinet memo. I got some

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00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 13: advice from ACC. They gave me advice that in their view,

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00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 13: it met the cabinet memo. I had a chance to

1112
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 13: reflect on that Thursday evening and decided that in my view,

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00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 13: it did not come on.

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Speaker 4: Tell me how on earth you thought that that was

1115
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 4: the case, because this was clearly race based targeting, right,

1116
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 4: It had a There was a target for Maori and

1117
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 4: a target for Pacifica, and that is not allowed. So

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Speaker 4: how on earth did you look at that and go

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Speaker 4: that's not race based?

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Speaker 13: I looked at the statistics related to Mari and Pacifica

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Speaker 13: manufacturing workplace injuries and accidents. That is a real problem.

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Speaker 13: But it's ACC's tender. They got it wrong, and I've

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00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 13: reflected on it, and so I got ACC's chief executive

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Speaker 13: to change her position. She's pulled the tender, and I

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Speaker 13: think that you will find that when that tender goes

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Speaker 13: back out for public consultation, that it won't have these

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00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 13: aspects in it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, look, I don't want to be insulting to you, Scott,

1129
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 4: but if it's not obvious to you that that is

1130
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 4: actually in breach, are you not a smart man? It's

1131
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 4: obvious that it's in breach of the memo.

1132
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 13: Well, as I said, I received advice from ACC that

1133
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 13: in their view, it met the memo. Now I had

1134
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 13: a chance to reflect on that, and I don't agree

1135
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 13: with him. That's why I asked the chief executive to

1136
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 13: be about.

1137
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 4: This, Scott. It's not you only reflected on it after

1138
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 4: you defended them publicly.

1139
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 13: Well, I defended it in one media comment and then

1140
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 13: had a chance to reflect on it, as I said,

1141
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 13: So I didn't agree ultimately with the advice.

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00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 3: It was.

1143
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 13: A mistake, I guess now, with the benefit of hindsight,

1144
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 13: to have done that in the first place, and I've

1145
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 13: learned a valuable lesson.

1146
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 4: Now can you guarantee because that paused it and they're

1147
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 4: reflecting on it. But does that necessarily mean they're going

1148
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 4: to abandon it?

1149
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 13: No, I think they will still go ahead with the tender.

1150
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 13: But they will take out the ethnic and race based

1151
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 13: provisions that they put in it. So that's the request

1152
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 13: that I've made to them. I've made that position very

1153
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 13: clear to them because we still do have an issue

1154
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 13: with manufacturing accidents. Look, there are huge issues with ACC, Heather.

1155
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 13: I'm very focused on getting those right. ACC needs a

1156
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 13: big turnaround project. Rehabilitation rates are slipping and have done

1157
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 13: the last several years. We've got huge financial implications for ACC.

1158
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 13: There are much much bigger issues at ACC that I

1159
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 13: need to be focused on addressed with. I get the

1160
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 13: point that you make.

1161
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 4: Now, Listen, is it possible because from my understanding, what's

1162
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 4: going on here is that there are certain parts of

1163
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 4: the manufacturing sector that are particularly dangerous, right and those

1164
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 4: are predominantly, that is, predominantly where you have Mary and

1165
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 4: Pacifica working. So they are at the highest risk because

1166
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 4: of where they work. Is it not possible to simply

1167
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 4: target those areas for everybody who works there and then

1168
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 4: clean up the stats.

1169
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 13: Yeah, Look, that makes sense to me, and that's what

1170
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 13: I've asked ACC officials to do.

1171
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 4: Okay, Scot, listen, thank you. I really do appreciate your time,

1172
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 4: and I know you're busy. That's got Simson, Minister for

1173
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 4: acc twenty away from six.

1174
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary

1175
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,479
Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach.

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00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 4: On the huddle of this evening we have Connor English,

1177
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 4: director at Wellington government relations firm, Silverye and Mike Munroe,

1178
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 4: former chief of Staff to just Sinda.

1179
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 3: Hello you too, good eight.

1180
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 7: How are you very well?

1181
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 4: Is that you Connor? That's you?

1182
00:53:59,040 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 7: Oh?

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00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 4: My Ken, Mike, you muted yourself again, Lord these boomers Ah,

1184
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 4: Mike now still muted Mike. Okay, We're going to let

1185
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 4: Mike just take a minute and figure out the phone. Connor,

1186
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 4: I wanted to talk to you first anyway. What do

1187
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 4: you make of Nicholas budget and the tiny, tiny spending allowance?

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00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 25: Well, it just shows how tough and how tight the

1189
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 25: situation is for the government. But I think you've got

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00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 25: a bear in mind that the government has never spent

1191
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 25: more in the history of having governments in New Zealand.

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00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 25: So whilst there's not much extra, there's still a lot

1193
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 25: of government spina taking place, and I think the ministers

1194
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 25: now looking to focus on value for money and you know,

1195
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 25: be portrayed as a careful manager of the of the

1196
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 25: government's books. And you know, they talk a lot about

1197
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 25: focusing on growth to get more revenue in so you

1198
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 25: can spend more after you've got the revenue in.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you on this, Connor, But what would

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00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 4: you suggest like and she's cut her spending allowance, her

1201
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 4: operating allowance from two point four billion one point three billion,

1202
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 4: would you have paired it back even further?

1203
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 25: Well, I'm not the Minister of Finance and I don't

1204
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 25: have all the facts available to me that she would have.

1205
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 25: But I think the notion that we should be looking

1206
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 25: for more value for money if you just focus on

1207
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 25: one of the inputs, which is cash, and not on

1208
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 25: the outcomes or even the outputs. You know, if everyone

1209
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 25: says there's a problem, we just need to have more cash,

1210
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 25: you don't look for innovative ways. You're not looking for productivity,

1211
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 25: you're not looking for other ways of sol solving the problem.

1212
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 25: And I think what her challenge is to the public

1213
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 25: sector is how can you solve these problems or provide

1214
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 25: these services in a smarter way. And there's an enormous

1215
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 25: number of smart people in the public sector are very

1216
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 25: capable of doing that, and I think she's just setting

1217
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 25: up the framework that's going to put a little bit

1218
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 25: of pressure on to enable them to put a bit

1219
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 25: more thought into there.

1220
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 4: Mikey you with us now?

1221
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 3: Can you hear me?

1222
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 4: It's not stay with us, Mike. What do you make

1223
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 4: of what Nicholas done? Reading about it.

1224
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 3: Feels like.

1225
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 26: Austerity head?

1226
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 3: It probably is.

1227
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 26: You know, a couple of months ago the message from

1228
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 26: Luxon for this year was growth, growth, growth. Well from

1229
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 26: today it is cuts cuts, cuts, And as Thomas Cogden

1230
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 26: wrote in The Herald, today willis is going to in

1231
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 26: order to fund the growing cost of existing services. And

1232
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 26: you start to wonder what's going to be sacrif child

1233
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 26: poverty measures, Will it be the climate stuff, peers, public transport.

1234
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 26: Something has to give. As the Brits showed.

1235
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 5: The under.

1236
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 4: No no, I pulpin, I pulpin, I can't. I tried,

1237
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 4: I tried, Did you try? We all tried, didn't we

1238
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 4: What we're going to do is we're going to take

1239
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 4: a break and we're just going to help the situation

1240
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 4: out by calling Mike back. So just bearwith Seve away

1241
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 4: from six.

1242
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty the ones

1243
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: with worldwide connections that perform not a promise.

1244
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 4: Right, we're back with the huddle. Mike is back on

1245
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 4: the phone. Mike, please carry on, because I actually wanted

1246
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 4: to hear what you had to say.

1247
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 11: Oh look, I'm not quite sure how much you heard

1248
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 11: of me previously, but I was just making the point

1249
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 11: that that Luxlan talked about growth, growth, growth, back in

1250
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 11: Febrary this year. Right now, it's going to be cut, cut, cuts,

1251
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 11: as Cogan Thomas Cogman wrote about in the Herald today.

1252
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 11: Now Willison is going to have to cut a hell

1253
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 11: of a lot billions of dollars of spending across the

1254
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 11: government to fund the growing cost of existing services that

1255
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 11: you talked about today. And you start to wonder what's

1256
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 11: going to be sacrificed to pay for them. Is it

1257
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 11: going to be police, child poverty, climate score repairs, public transport.

1258
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 11: Something has to give because you know, reprioritizing, it's one

1259
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 11: of those weasel words the government's use that means we

1260
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 11: have take the money from here and put it over there,

1261
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 11: and nothing much is going to change, and you don't

1262
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 11: address their qualities and health by reprioritizing a good point.

1263
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 4: You make a good point.

1264
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 11: Fixed up schools reprioritizing, you.

1265
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 4: Make a very good point. But I think we can

1266
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 4: all accept that there is some bloating where there's a

1267
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 4: lot of bloating. Actually that happens in any part of

1268
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 4: the public sector, and that's sometimes just going over it

1269
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 4: and starting to cut a few things that are not

1270
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 4: needed anymore. Is not a bad thing, right, This is

1271
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 4: just a bit of fiscal discipline.

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00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, But it tends to be around the margins, I find.

1273
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 11: I mean, governments over the years have talked about razor

1274
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 11: cans and making these sorts of cuts, and when they

1275
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 11: get down to it, it's stuff around the margins that goes,

1276
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 11: and it's not billions of dollars as well as it's

1277
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 11: talking about today.

1278
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So what.

1279
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 11: She's got in mind is something a lot more substantive.

1280
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I suspect it's going to have to be big stuff. Now, Connor,

1281
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 4: what did you think of Tory pulling out of the race.

1282
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 4: Did Tory pull out of the race because we were

1283
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 4: too mean to her? Or was it because she was

1284
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 4: actually just stinking, stinking she was going to get beaten

1285
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 4: by Andrew Little.

1286
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 25: Ah, well, I mean Tory as the only one that

1287
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 25: knows that, but I suspect that she saw the riding

1288
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 25: on the on the wall, and I'm not sure what

1289
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 25: the local poles have said about it. But also with

1290
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 25: Andrew Little standing in the race, you know you saw

1291
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 25: back in twenty sixteen when Joe Codlin it has to

1292
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 25: be my gorgeous wife stood for here, and so did

1293
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 25: Nicola Young and Nick Legott and that split that vote

1294
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 25: sort of because Joe was an independent, it's scene as

1295
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 25: sort of center center right a little bit, and that

1296
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 25: split that vote. And so I guess the Greens and

1297
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 25: Labor didn't want to split that vote and want to

1298
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 25: consolidate it around one one candidate. So now they've sort

1299
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 25: of done that, and I wouldn't be at all surprised

1300
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 25: if Tory comes back as deputy mayor.

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00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 4: Now, Mike, well, jeez, hang on at tech, I well,

1302
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 4: hold on, Connor, Connor, are you is this just fear

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Speaker 4: among coming from the right.

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Speaker 3: There's no free lunch.

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Speaker 27: There's no free lunch, is there?

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Speaker 25: So if you're going to stand down, you're going to

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Speaker 25: want something and return for that, Well.

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Speaker 4: What about just saving your own dignity.

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Speaker 3: Well, as I say, I mean, Tory.

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Speaker 25: Has her own reasons, but if you look at it,

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Speaker 25: you know, from a strategic perspective, that makes sense that

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Speaker 25: you only have one candidate on the on the left.

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Speaker 8: Not too okay.

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Speaker 4: Now here's the thing, Mike, we've gone to. We've gone

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Speaker 4: to Andrew Little because we didn't want to ruin things

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Speaker 4: for him, you know, with with conspiracy theories and stuff.

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Speaker 4: And we've asked him, is Tory going to be your deputy?

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Speaker 4: And he's come back and said he's not given any

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Speaker 4: thoughts to who's going to be the deputy, and he's

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Speaker 4: focused on winning the election and so on. So what

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Speaker 4: do you think is he going to make Tory his deputy?

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Speaker 3: I would very.

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Speaker 11: Much doubt it. Look Tory's Toy's personal brand has been

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Speaker 11: very badly damaged by numerous incidents over the last three years,

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Speaker 11: and I don't think Little would want to associate that

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Speaker 11: with his mayoralty. She went against the Greens and Labor

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Speaker 11: and voted in favored the council selling its airport cheers,

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Speaker 11: which is which I thought was a good decision, but

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Speaker 11: of course, you know it incurred the wrath of the

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Speaker 11: Greens and labor, and I just think Andrew Little won't

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Speaker 11: want that sort of stuff to resurface during his campaign,

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Speaker 11: so I'd be very surprised the entertained thoughts of having

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Speaker 11: Toy anywhere near his ticket.

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Mike, of what Chippy's been saying,

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Speaker 4: which is that we're just mean to her because she's

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Speaker 4: a lady.

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Speaker 11: No, I don't really agree with that, Heather. I think

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Speaker 11: Tori's brought a lot of these problems upon herself. The

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Speaker 11: funny thing is funny, The sensible thing is is that

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Speaker 11: Tory's actually got a story to tell. Despite all the

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Speaker 11: Tory hazes out there, She's actually had some pretty solid

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Speaker 11: accomplishments during her term. You know, the district plans and

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Speaker 11: how to point with, there's a lot more housing going up,

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Speaker 11: The library and town Hall refits are almost finished, connect

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Speaker 11: and he's going to get to cut the ribbon on them.

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Speaker 11: Cycleways have been rolled out around the city, the Golden

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Speaker 11: Mill project underwear. So it did a story to tell,

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Speaker 11: but it's all been overshadowed. I think by this the

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Speaker 11: personal misdemeanors that Toy experienced over the last three years,

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Speaker 11: and so you know, it's not mean that it's just

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Speaker 11: she went into a lot of trouble.

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Speaker 27: Connor, I think there's there's sure she's done a lot

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Speaker 27: of good things, and I'm sure she's very well meaning,

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Speaker 27: as probably everyone in stance for counsel is.

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Speaker 25: But there is a pretty harsh reality is that Wellington

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Speaker 25: isn't actually in that good of shape and a lot

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Speaker 25: of the things and initiatives that you've mentioned have ended

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Speaker 25: up not working well for the community.

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Speaker 3: They've been implementing things that they haven't.

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Speaker 25: Listened to the community on and we've ended up with

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Speaker 25: a lot of expenditure and.

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Speaker 27: Not much value for money.

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Speaker 25: Wellington Water where they talked about a culture of learned hopelessness,

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Speaker 25: you know, and now we're getting these massive rape bills.

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Speaker 25: So it's a legacy that I'm sure there's some very

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Speaker 25: good positives in it, but there's also some challenges for

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Speaker 25: whoever comes in next that have been the result of

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Speaker 25: some very poor decision making by by the council over

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Speaker 25: the last several years.

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Speaker 4: Guys, it's been lovely to talk to you. Thank you

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Speaker 4: so much, and Mike, thank you for It wasn't Mike's fault.

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Speaker 4: I just feel like I need to careify this wasn't

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Speaker 4: Mike's fault that the phone did the funny robot voice. Okay,

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Speaker 4: that was just electronics. That's just life that happens. But

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Speaker 4: Jesus frustrating, isn't it. Mike, Thank you for tolerating us

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Speaker 4: and making fun of you as a boomer. That's Mike Munroe,

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Speaker 4: former chief of staff to justindadun and Connor English, director

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Speaker 4: at Wellington government relations firm Silver I Ate Away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Hither Duples c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk z ITB.

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Speaker 4: By the way back to Canada, the opposition leader has

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Speaker 4: conceded the election Canadians.

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Speaker 28: Canadians have opted for a razor thin minority government, a

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Speaker 28: virtual tie in the vote count. So I would like

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Speaker 28: to congratulate Prime Minister Carney on leading this minority government. No, no, Well,

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Speaker 28: we'll have plenty of opportunity to debate and disagree, but

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Speaker 28: tonight we come together as Canadians. We will do our job. Yes,

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Speaker 28: we will do our job to hold the government to account.

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Speaker 4: Heather do for c Ellen's that's five away from six.

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Speaker 4: Sime and Brown, the Health Minister is going to be

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Speaker 4: with us after the news because he's launched this new

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Speaker 4: initiative where new rural doctor training will take place in

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Speaker 4: topul which is kind of weird because I thought Topor

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Speaker 4: Hospital didn't have enough senior doctors to even be able

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Speaker 4: to run the hospital, let alone train people. But he'll

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Speaker 4: be able to explain it to us when he's with us.

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Speaker 4: And also, one of the questions about what Nikola Willis

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Speaker 4: is doing is obviously, and this is the question we've

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Speaker 4: been asking, is what is she gonna cut?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 4: Cameron Baggriy, the economist, has been thinking about this long

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Speaker 4: and hard. He's got some ideas. He's with us after

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Speaker 4: half past six. Here's a question for you, because we've

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Speaker 4: wondered about this in the newsroom. Here in this show,

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Speaker 4: we wonder about weird things. Have you ever wondered what

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Speaker 4: why Saint Pierre's has a French name but then sells sushi?

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Speaker 4: Have you ever wondered that I can answer?

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Speaker 5: I can.

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Speaker 4: Actually, if you haven't, never mind, now you are. I

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Speaker 4: can answer the question for you. It's because and the

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Speaker 4: reason I can answer it is because they've done this

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Speaker 4: amazing piece on Business Desk about it. It turns out

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Speaker 4: they weren't all Where's a sushi chain at all. They

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Speaker 4: used to be just a fishmonger in Wellington up at

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Speaker 4: Willis Street. Actually I think they started on Cuba Street

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Speaker 4: and then they then opened a second place. Will move

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Speaker 4: to Willi Street to we have a number one Willi Street.

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Speaker 4: And Saint Pierre's is the French name for John Dory

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Speaker 4: and back in the day they used to sell things

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Speaker 4: like frogs, legs and Russian caviat and stuff, and so

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Speaker 4: they called themselves Saint Pierre's. But and it was run

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Speaker 4: by a chap called George, and then his sons followed

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Speaker 4: him into business, and one of the sons in the

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Speaker 4: early nineteen nineties decided to try something out, something crazy sushi,

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Speaker 4: went to Japan, chatted to some people about getting the

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Speaker 4: ingredients and stuff like, and the rest, as they say,

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Speaker 4: is history. And now Saint Pier's not only do you

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Speaker 4: know their jingle, but they also have eighty Sint Pier's

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Speaker 4: sushi shops, thirty five bento bowls, and two K ten

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Speaker 4: sushi train restaurants and apparently get this, this houses for

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Speaker 4: a number. Apparently in a week they feed over one

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand of us ho go in and buy their sushi.

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Speaker 4: And I mean talk about hitting on something that took

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Speaker 4: off a like sushi. How often do you eat sushi?

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Speaker 4: I would eat sushi on the regular. It was after

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Speaker 4: I gave birth. It was the first thing my friend

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Speaker 4: brought into me. It was two gigantic boxes of sushi

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Speaker 4: because you can't have it when you're pregnant. And so yeah,

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Speaker 4: well done. It was a great idea, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: In the end?

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Speaker 4: Sime and Brown?

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Speaker 1: Next keeping track of where the money is flowing. The

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Speaker 1: Business Hour with Heather Duplessyl and Mass Insurance and investments,

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Speaker 1: Grow your Wealth, Protect your Future.

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Speaker 5: News talks that'd be.

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Speaker 4: Evening coming up in the next hour. We've got Nick

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Speaker 4: BRUNSDLL of Infimetrics with positive signs in the latest employment data.

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Speaker 4: Jamie McKay with us obviously, and Cameron Baggery is going

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Speaker 4: to have a look at what the Finance Minister could

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Speaker 4: possibly cut to save enough money. Seven past six. Now

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Speaker 4: good news for Topel. It's the first North Island hospital

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Speaker 4: being given a credit to train rural doctors in the

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Speaker 4: Health Minister. Simmy and Brown is with us. Now, hey,

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Speaker 4: some men, I we are having bad luck with the phones,

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01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 4: aren't we? Anyway? Simmy and Brod will try and get

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Speaker 4: him up, or everybody's just turned into Burma's today. We'll

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Speaker 4: try and get Simmy and Brown up and he'll bear

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Speaker 4: with us. Shortly, Can I just say, actually, this gives

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Speaker 4: me the opportunity to talk about something I should have

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Speaker 4: talked about much earlier, which is means testing. Now, if

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Speaker 4: you were listening to Nikola Willis earlier, you will have

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Speaker 4: heard that she's not ruling out means testing as a

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Speaker 4: means to try and save the money that she needs

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Speaker 4: in this budget. Right, because it's so tight, she needs

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Speaker 4: to save shed loads of money. Means testing is apparently

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Speaker 4: an option now. Apparently now I think you and I

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Speaker 4: will agree on this. Right, means testing is necessary, isn't it?

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Speaker 4: Because if you think about, for example, and we could

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Speaker 4: talk about the winter energy payment, we could talk about

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Speaker 4: whole bunch of other things, but just look at the

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Speaker 4: best start payment. The best start payment is a payment

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Speaker 4: that is given to parents of newborns. Right, you get

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Speaker 4: seventy three dollars a week the minute that your baby arrives,

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Speaker 4: and you get it for a full year. It's only

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Speaker 4: after the baby's been around for a year, years two

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Speaker 4: and three that you get means tested for it. I'm

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Speaker 4: going to be honest with you. I've been getting seventy

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Speaker 4: three dollars a week and I do not need it.

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Speaker 4: It's money I don't need to have coming in. It

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Speaker 4: is a waste of money for the government. So I

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Speaker 4: should be means tested for it. If we can means

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Speaker 4: test in the second year and means test in the

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Speaker 4: third year, why not means test in the first year.

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Speaker 4: Seems to me like a good idea. Run it, roll

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Speaker 4: it out, roll it out for winter energy payment, roll

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Speaker 4: it out for whole bunch of other things, save a

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Speaker 4: lot of money, and redirect it to where it should go.

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Speaker 4: It's an idea that is completely overdue. Probably time that

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Speaker 4: it arrives.

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Speaker 5: Heather do for see Alan.

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Speaker 4: I think we may have some of and Brown with

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Speaker 4: us right now. So many are there?

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Speaker 20: Yes, I'm here, Sorry about that.

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Speaker 4: That's okay. It's happened a lot today.

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Speaker 20: I'm just driving back from road.

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Speaker 4: Will Are you doing awayne Brown? Or are you your

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Speaker 4: hands free?

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Speaker 16: Oh?

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Speaker 20: No, I'm being driven.

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Speaker 4: Oh I see much better even now, listen, why have

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Speaker 4: you picked topel?

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Speaker 20: Look, this is a process that the hospital has gone

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Speaker 20: through to get accredited. That's quite a rigorous process to

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Speaker 20: be accredited for this training pathway and what it means

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Speaker 20: for that hospital now is that they are able to

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Speaker 20: attract specialists who were special generalists who work in rural

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Speaker 20: medicine to that hospital as part of the Australian College

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Speaker 20: of Rural and Remote Medicine and that opens up a

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Speaker 20: whole another pool of potential doctors who can go and

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Speaker 20: work in that hospital. And so this is the first

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Speaker 20: hospital in the North Island which has achieved that accreditation.

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Speaker 20: My hope is that Health News Animal will continue and

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Speaker 20: expectations they'll continue for further hospitals in our rural settings

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Speaker 20: to be able to get this accreditation so that we

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Speaker 20: can get the workforce we need into those rural hospitals,

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Speaker 20: which is really important.

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Speaker 4: How have they I mean, how do you do this

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Speaker 4: at toepl if Topal doesn't even have it has about

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Speaker 4: a third of the senior doctor's positions filled at the moment,

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Speaker 4: How can they possibly train these doctors coming in or

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Speaker 4: is it not the senior doctors doing the training.

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Speaker 20: Well, it's part of the Australian College of Rural Remote Medicine.

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Speaker 20: It's about making sure they've they've got the ability to

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Speaker 20: be accredited, means they're able to then train and yes,

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Speaker 20: of course there is challenges there at the hospital at

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Speaker 20: the moment, but this opens up a new workforce to

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Speaker 20: them that they are able to bring it and bring

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Speaker 20: into access to come to New Zealand, whether that's trainees

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Speaker 20: or whether that's fellows, and that means they're able to

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Speaker 20: then stabilize that workforce and actually attract it's.

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Speaker 4: It's not just about bringing the trainees and it also

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Speaker 4: attracts the people who will do the training that's right.

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Speaker 20: So it opens the ability up for that hospital to

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Speaker 20: be used as that that site in the North Island.

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Speaker 20: This model is used in the South Island at gray

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Speaker 20: Hospital and Greymouth very effectively. It's meant they've been able

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Speaker 20: to attract and retain these doctors into that area and

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Speaker 20: actually see a reduction of locoms, which ultimately means a

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Speaker 20: more stable workforce, a more continuous care for that community

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Speaker 20: and to be able to retain those doctors really important

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Speaker 20: to provide that level of service. So this is a

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Speaker 20: really important step forward for this hospital and it's really

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Speaker 20: important we use these types of models to be able

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01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 20: to attract and retain these doctors into these communities which

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Speaker 20: are hard to staff.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, is the strike still on for Thursday?

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Speaker 20: Well, unfortunately it is. I've been very clear in my

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Speaker 20: views on this. Our senior doctors play a really important

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Speaker 20: and critical role in our hospitals. But this is going

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Speaker 20: to have a significant impact on the care of thousands

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Speaker 20: of patients who have been waiting too long for care.

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Speaker 20: HAP operations, neo operations, character operations is going to be

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Speaker 20: a delayed about four and a half thousand of them.

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Speaker 20: Health New Zealand did put a new offer on the

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Speaker 20: table on Thursday which addressed a number of the key

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Speaker 20: concerns that the union raised, including twenty five thousand dollars

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Speaker 20: bonding payments for senior doctors taking up positions in hard

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Speaker 20: to staff rural hospitals. The union has decided not to

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Speaker 20: put that offer back to its members to let them

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Speaker 20: decide whether to accept it, rather than strike. I would

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01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 20: have thought that would have been the right approach in

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Speaker 20: order to allow the unions to the members to make

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Speaker 20: that decision. Are the unions decided not to and that

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Speaker 20: means the care of thousands of patients is going to

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Speaker 20: be delayed unfortunately.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're a very good politician. So you're doing

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Speaker 4: a very good job of selling of certainly you know,

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Speaker 4: fighting this in public, but ultimately are you're not just

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Speaker 4: going to have to pony up the cash because otherwise

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Speaker 4: we're just not going to have enough doctors.

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Speaker 20: Well, we have more doctors working in New Zealand and

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Speaker 20: Health New Zealand now than when we came to government,

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01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 20: more nurses now now when we came to government. And yes,

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Speaker 20: and we've put a new offer on table on Thursday

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01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,839
Speaker 20: last week and the union had the weekend.

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Speaker 4: The way for you to solve this other than to

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Speaker 4: just pony up cash and pay these people more.

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Speaker 20: Well, and it was an improved offer. It was an

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Speaker 20: improved offer and it addressed the number of the key

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Speaker 20: concerns such as as they're bonding for senior doctors in

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Speaker 20: hard to staff hospitals. It's twenty five thousand payment to

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01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 20: bond those doctors there for two years, and included removing

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Speaker 20: the bottom three rungs of the pay for senior doctors

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Speaker 20: that don't get a pay cut when they become a

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Speaker 20: senior doctor from a junior doctor. It addressed a number

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Speaker 20: of their key concerns and the right thing for the

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Speaker 20: union to do should have been to put the offer

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Speaker 20: back to its members to let them decide whether to

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Speaker 20: accept it or not, rather than for them to unilaterally

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Speaker 20: decide to continue with strike action, which is going to

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Speaker 20: see thousands of patients who have been waiting too long

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Speaker 20: have their key cans. Let's be waiting for help operations,

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01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 20: knee operations, charact operations, or just their first special assessments.

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Speaker 20: They are now going to have that care further delayed,

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Speaker 20: which I find frankly unacceptable.

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Speaker 4: Listen, Samon, thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Some men brownd the Minister of Health Heather roll out

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Speaker 4: the means testing for super to save some real dot.

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Speaker 4: That's going too far. I'm happy to means test the

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Speaker 4: key we Saver. I'm happy to means test the winter

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Speaker 4: energy payment. I'm having a means test the baby money.

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Speaker 4: But I don't want to means test the pension because

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Speaker 4: I deserve that at the end of my life. Do

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Too far? Fourteen plast six.

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Speaker 1: talks that'd be eighteen passix.

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Speaker 4: Now there are some positive signs in the latest employment

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Speaker 4: data out today. Filled job numbers rows zero point two

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01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 4: percent in March and primary industries lead the growth up

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Speaker 4: zero point four percent. Nick Brunsden is Infametrics principle economist

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Speaker 4: and with us Heynik your name. I mean, it's pretty small.

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Speaker 4: Is it enough to get excited about?

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Speaker 23: Normally it wouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 29: I think the reason why we are getting a tiny

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Speaker 29: bit excited about it is that it comes after a

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01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 29: year of declines for a month on months, so it's

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01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 29: the greenest of green shoots, and that's sort of to

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01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 29: be celebrated after a fair period of decline.

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Speaker 4: And primary industries, why is it doing so well?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 29: Well, I was thinking about the expert data out last week.

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01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 29: We'll got some really good returns coming through for the

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01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 29: primary sect or horticulture is doing really well. Jerry prices

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Speaker 29: up and so that's supported areas to hire a little

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01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 29: bit more.

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Speaker 4: And this is why the South Island's doing better.

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Speaker 3: Definitely. Yeah.

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Speaker 29: A curious result out of the data today was the

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Speaker 29: South Island is growing slightly faster than the North, again

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01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,879
Speaker 29: underpinned by the primary sector and the north, less primary exposed,

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01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 29: more exposed to services and construction, and those areas aren't

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01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:20,520
Speaker 29: doing quite so well at the moment.

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Speaker 4: Nick, is it I mean, it's really too early to

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01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 4: see a trend here and take too much heart from it.

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01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, No, it is a little bit too early. It

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01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 29: is a good sign. It is broadly consistent with other

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Speaker 29: measures though. So we did see an uptick in job

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Speaker 29: adds again, a one month uptick in February, so it does.

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Speaker 29: It does show that we are starting to come up

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01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 29: off the bottom, and all the other indicators lead us

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Speaker 29: to the conclusion that we are essentially at the bottom.

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Speaker 29: So it is a question of when we do start

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Speaker 29: coming up off the bottom.

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Speaker 4: Brilliant stuff. Hey, Nick, thanks very much, really appreciated. Nick Brunson.

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Speaker 4: Informatrix principle economists Heather due for Sea Allen, Heather means testing.

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Speaker 4: Can we say that, how do you see that working?

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01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 4: Best to use the inside voice sometimes, Well, hold on,

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Speaker 4: I take care. Isn't there a government contribution to your

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01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 4: Kiwi saver? Or am I just imagined? Did I dream that?

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Speaker 3: Or do that?

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01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 4: Put money in?

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01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 4: That's right, they do put money in, don't they. Yeah,

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01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 4: so I don't know. I mean, do you want me

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01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 4: to explain how that would work? Let me explain with

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01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 4: my outside voice how that would work. So what would

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01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 4: happen is if you have a certain amount of money

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01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 4: going into your kei We Savior, the government wouldn't give

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01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 4: you any, but if you didn't have that certain amount,

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01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 4: then it would give you some. And that is how

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01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 4: your means test ke We Saver. Honestly, do I have

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01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 4: to explain absolutely everything on this show. I'm taking the

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Speaker 4: mickey out of you. I hope you realize that. Now listen,

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Speaker 4: I've got to talk about Wayne Brown. What's happened to

1689
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 4: Wayne Brown is that Wayne Brown has decided he doesn't

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01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 4: want to talk to us. I would say Wayne Brown

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01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,719
Speaker 4: has got a case of being scared potentially about something.

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01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 4: So yesterday, if you were listening to the show, we

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01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 4: had Nikola Willis on, and Nikola Willis we're talking to

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Speaker 4: her about the White Targety Co governance debate situation, and

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01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 4: she said, look, this is not not a central government issue.

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01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 4: This is a council issue. And maybe what you want

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01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 4: to do is talk to somebody more.

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01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 21: At the heart of it, you need to get Auckland

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01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 21: Council on your show to ask them that question where

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Speaker 21: we went brown and all of this.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's a very good point. We'll talk to the mayor.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, we asked the mayor. Mayor said no through

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Speaker 4: the mayor spokesperson, and so then I text the mayor

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01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 4: personally on his personal phone and said can you come on?

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01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 4: And he said no, thank you, And I think he

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01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 4: probably thinks it's going to go away. Now it's not

1707
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 4: going to go away. The reason it's not going to

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01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 4: go away is number one because he voted for it

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01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 4: and I'd like to know why. And number two because

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01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 4: it's an election year. So he's definitely going to be

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01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 4: on the show at some stage. And when he's on

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01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 4: the show, this is going to be raised. So just

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Speaker 4: stand by for that. Might be a little while, but

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Speaker 4: we'll be standing by for that.

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Speaker 4: Jamie McKai hosted the Countries with Us. Jamie, welcome back.

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Speaker 16: Good to be back here.

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Speaker 4: Th where have you been?

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Speaker 16: I was up in Towonga for the break between Easter

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Speaker 16: and anzac The long the short week. Should I say

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Speaker 16: a new grandchild the first time i'd met her.

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Speaker 4: Oh how old, Jamie.

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Speaker 16: Well, i'd they're too embarrassed to tell you my wife

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Speaker 16: on humorous visits.

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Speaker 4: Hey, not your age? How old? Oh? How old is she?

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Speaker 4: Is like a scandal that you haven't been to see her.

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Speaker 16: You bough, it's a family scandal. But let's just move

1729
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Speaker 16: on to things. I'm more comfortable, and no, it's not

1730
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 16: a scandal at all. I've just been busy. So four

1731
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 16: months old, Oh no.

1732
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 4: That's okay. I think that's okay. And they're cute at

1733
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 4: four months, aren't they? They just gorgeous.

1734
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 16: Well but before that, Heather as well, you'll know with

1735
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 16: ween mackay honestly, and I'll get in trouble for saying this,

1736
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 16: but I've started. There's no stopping now. In the early

1737
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 16: days and months, they just poo themselves and react with you.

1738
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 16: They're boring. Yeah, they are boring, let's be honest about it.

1739
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 16: Not politically correct, but that's true. When they can react

1740
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 16: with you and laugh, or you can make the that's

1741
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 16: when they get interesting.

1742
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, four months, four months they're doing the little giggle

1743
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 4: at you and stuff. So no, I think your timing

1744
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 4: is bang on. I don't blame it all. Plus you

1745
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 4: get you get a little bit more concession as a man,

1746
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 4: so you know, just just own it. Now, what is

1747
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,679
Speaker 4: going on here with Fonterira deciding it's going to close

1748
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 4: its planning and pack it's canning and packaging facility.

1749
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 16: Well, I guess Fontira is ultimately answerable to its ten

1750
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 16: thousand farmers, shareholders and supplies and this is just a continuation.

1751
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,799
Speaker 16: This is my take on it anyhow, on their decision

1752
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 16: to ditch the consumer brands for the ingredients business. So

1753
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 16: it's sad, really, it's sad. In these tough economic times.

1754
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 16: Have seen the bad news from Nikola Willis this morning.

1755
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 16: Well here's another one hundred and twenty jobs on the

1756
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 16: chopping block. I know they're going to go through the

1757
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 16: consultation process, but we all know how that ends. So

1758
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 16: they're going to lose their jobs in Hamilton. They currently

1759
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,759
Speaker 16: or the site currently packs up to four thousand metric

1760
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 16: tons of powder per year. And while that's a lot, Heather,

1761
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 16: it's not really It's less than one percent of the

1762
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 16: co ops total product volume. So what they're saying is

1763
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 16: they're going to get out of these blends and packaged

1764
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 16: milk powders doing it, and they're going to focus on

1765
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 16: the higher value ingredients such as the advanced proteins, you know,

1766
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 16: the sports stuff and the medical nutrition, and that's the

1767
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 16: way it is heading. And they believe this is the

1768
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 16: best way to focus on farmer returns because I guess

1769
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 16: at the end of the day with Fonterra, it is

1770
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 16: a co op and unless the farmers get a meaningful return,

1771
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,560
Speaker 16: they might take their business elsewhere.

1772
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 4: Jamie listen, I am glad that you've raised this with

1773
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 4: me as something you want to talk about, because I

1774
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 4: meant to talk about this earlier in the week. But

1775
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 4: Thomas Cogland did a great piece, didn't he about the

1776
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 4: climate debate within the National Party and how much trouble

1777
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:48,679
Speaker 4: Simon Watts got himself into.

1778
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 16: Well, it was a rare treat for me, Heather, as

1779
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 16: someone who's based in Dunedin, to physically grab a weekend Herold.

1780
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 16: I always read it online, but to physically grab a

1781
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 16: weekend Herold and read this, I thought he did a

1782
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 16: fantastic job. The story was inside the climate debate that

1783
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 16: quietly rocked the National Party. It's all about Simon Watson.

1784
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 16: These new emissions targets and he's stuck. This is Simon

1785
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,799
Speaker 16: Watts really between a rock and a hard place, because

1786
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:22,839
Speaker 16: the right think he's gone, he's been excessively ambitious. In reality,

1787
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 16: he hardly increased it at all. But the original argument

1788
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 16: is the fifty percent reduction by twenty thirty was never

1789
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 16: realistic and those on the left suggested New Zealand would

1790
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 16: be doing next to nothing to reduce itsubmissions between twenty

1791
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 16: thirty and thirty five, which is probably true. And you know,

1792
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 16: you've got all these factions at play, as he pointed out,

1793
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 16: there's the National Party who perhaps are a bit more

1794
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 16: socially enlightened than act in New Zealand. First, is that

1795
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 16: a nice way of saying.

1796
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 4: You've said it.

1797
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 16: They're perhaps a little bit more woke than National and

1798
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,839
Speaker 16: New Zealand first, I don't know. But you've got Winston

1799
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 16: who's coming out and he's saying we're going to get

1800
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 16: out of We're pulling out of Paris. And David Seymour

1801
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 16: made a really interesting comment on this. He said, look, eventually,

1802
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 16: the cost of staying in Paris could eventually outweigh the

1803
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 16: penalty for leaving, so he's thinking that way as well.

1804
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 16: And you've got to remember the other dynamic play here.

1805
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 16: Final shot from me, Heather. This is New Zealand First,

1806
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 16: an act who are both actively campaigning for the farmer

1807
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 16: vote from national and certainly anecdotally I would say they're

1808
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 16: being reasonably successful at the moment.

1809
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 4: Jamie, Thank you, Jamie McKay, Host of the Country. I'm

1810
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 4: going to come back to this in just a take

1811
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 4: six twenty.

1812
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 1: Nine, crouching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather

1813
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour and Mass Insurance and investments,

1814
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, Protect your future.

1815
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 5: News Dogs that'd be.

1816
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 4: D rady is with us out of the UK very shortly,

1817
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 4: and Simon Watts and this business. I was fascinated reading

1818
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 4: this piece by Thomas Coglan of The Weekend. Actually this

1819
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 4: business about sending money off shore for the climate agreement.

1820
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 4: Stand by because there are some good news in this

1821
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 4: that I actually should have told you earlier in the week.

1822
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 4: It's twenty three away from seven now. Finance Minister Nichola

1823
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 4: Willis has certainly raised eyebrows today announcing that she's going

1824
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 4: to slash her own operating allowance for this year's budget

1825
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 4: to a ten year low. Of just one point three

1826
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 4: billion dollars. She's virtually halved what she's given herself to

1827
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 4: play with. And the last time it was this low

1828
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 4: was in twenty fifteen, when Bill English only gave himself

1829
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 4: a billion dollars. Now, independent economist Cameron Baggery has been

1830
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 4: looking at this and he's with us. Hey, Cam evening,

1831
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 4: hither did it raise your eyebrows?

1832
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 17: Yeah?

1833
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 30: Yes, yeah, in my mind, the real number is not

1834
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 30: one point three. The real number.

1835
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 16: Looks to be close to zerra.

1836
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 30: Yeah, because out of the two point four that was

1837
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 30: the initial allocation, there was pre commitments within last year's

1838
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 30: budget of about one point five billion. Yeah, so they

1839
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 30: had about yeaho point seven point eight Bill, you're left

1840
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 30: to allocate. Yeah, so what we're effectively looking at in

1841
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 30: the twenty and twenty five budget by the time you take, yeah,

1842
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:13,599
Speaker 30: the dedication to health, which I'll have to follow through on,

1843
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:14,759
Speaker 30: it's a zero number.

1844
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean if she's pretty allocated one point

1845
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 4: five and she's given herself one point three, then she's

1846
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 4: in deficit to the tune of about zero point two. Right,

1847
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 4: So this would say that there are enormous cuts in

1848
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 4: this budget, right.

1849
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 30: Well, reallocations but you know, to be fair, what we

1850
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 30: saw in the twenty and twenty four budget was a

1851
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 30: bit of the same. So if you actually have a

1852
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 30: look at the gross cost of the twenty twenty four

1853
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:40,799
Speaker 30: budget package was an average of nine point one billion

1854
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:44,440
Speaker 30: dollars per year, but what they offered up was savings

1855
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 30: revue raising initiatives of five point nine, so the net

1856
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 30: number was three point two. You know, what we're going

1857
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 30: to see again is that there'll be a pretty sizable

1858
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 30: budget twenty twenty five package in regard to who gets what,

1859
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 30: but it's going to be funded differently. It's going to

1860
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 30: be funded by spinning cuts, reallocations, productivity, and there'll be

1861
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 30: some revenue initiatives, and there it's just a question who's

1862
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 30: giving what and who's getting what.

1863
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 4: Okay, So it sounds like means testing is at least possible.

1864
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 4: What would she means test?

1865
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 30: Well, I guess the big, the big five hundred pound

1866
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 30: gorilla out there in New Zealand that we need to

1867
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 30: get a head around is the explosion we're already seeing

1868
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 30: or we're going to continue to see in New Zeon superannuation. Now,

1869
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 30: if you go back to twenty twenty New zeal superannuation

1870
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 30: was fifteen point five billion, which is a pretty big

1871
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 30: chunk of cash. It's predicted to be twenty eight point

1872
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 30: eight billion by twenty twenty nine. We've got the New

1873
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 30: Zealan's superannuation is indexed to wages. All the other benefits

1874
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 30: are indexed the consumer price inflation. Why is the difference

1875
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 30: between the two. I can't get my head around that.

1876
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 30: But we're starting to see the very strong effects of

1877
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 30: the movement of the FASCAL cost of aging population yah,

1878
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 30: and current fiscal settings are just not sustainable. So the

1879
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 30: question is it, how are we going to change?

1880
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 4: What are we going to change? Okay, now what she

1881
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 4: should do, to your mind, is different to what she

1882
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 4: is going to do. Do you really think she's going

1883
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 4: to means test the pension.

1884
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 3: No, it's been murdered.

1885
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 30: As well about whether the retirement age goes up. There's

1886
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 30: very others mechanisms you could bring in. But yeah, that

1887
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,600
Speaker 30: that that portion of the population tends to be a

1888
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 30: little bit more national party centric. It's one of the

1889
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 30: sort of hot potatoes.

1890
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 16: I'd like to see.

1891
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 30: Them take it on because I think it's pretty obvious

1892
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 30: what the numbers are saying.

1893
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 3: It's not sustainable.

1894
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 30: You know, if we're pouring a lot more money into

1895
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,839
Speaker 30: health than New Zealand superannulation is a share of the economy,

1896
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 30: then other parts of the economy have got to miss out.

1897
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 30: And then it becomes a simple gain regardable who's going

1898
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 30: to miss out. And what we know is that the

1899
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 30: minister you've got on to today she identified the obvious priorities,

1900
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 30: which is health, education, defense.

1901
01:27:58,400 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 9: Law and order.

1902
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 30: But yeah, just to keep some of those them staff

1903
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 30: as a shear of GDP is going to require a

1904
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 30: pretty big uplift and spending. And if that is a

1905
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 30: ser of GDP, but government's spending is going to be

1906
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 30: overall going down as a sheer of GDP, then you're

1907
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 30: taken from Peter to pay Paul. There's got to be

1908
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 30: some cuts on the other side. And the issue is

1909
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 30: that where are those cuts on the other side coming from.

1910
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a fair point. Hey can thanks very much,

1911
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 4: really appreciate your exercise. That's cam Bagri. Independent economists ever

1912
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 4: do see else. I mean, this is why the pension

1913
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:29,600
Speaker 4: doesn't get touched right text like this from Mary, But

1914
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 4: we've paid the bills for nothing. A growing number of

1915
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 4: losers chowing down on our taxes and hard work, and ultimately,

1916
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I've got to be honest, I feel

1917
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 4: the same. This is why I don't think they can

1918
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 4: touch the pension, because I'd means test just about everything.

1919
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 4: But I don't want to means test the pension because

1920
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 4: I feel like that's my reward at the end of

1921
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 4: paying taxes and watching everybody else blow my money for

1922
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 4: my whole working life. And I suspect I'm not the

1923
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 4: only one feeling like that now, Simon Watts. Kay, So,

1924
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 4: Simon Wats when I was on maternity leave, I couldn't

1925
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 4: believe it. It's got my blood pressure up a little bit,

1926
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 4: didn't he when he basically said that he was increasing

1927
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 4: increasing what we were doing read the Paris commitment, because

1928
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 4: I think we should pull out. I know, I think

1929
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 4: we should pull out because if the US is pulling out,

1930
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 4: then the whole thing is a joke. Then what are

1931
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 4: we doing. We're wasting our time. If the US isn't

1932
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 4: doing it, why would we do it with this tiny, tiny,

1933
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 4: little emission that we've got coming out of the country. Anyway,

1934
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 4: So Simon Watt's got my blood pressure up, and apparently

1935
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,839
Speaker 4: he also got as Jamie was saying, before the National

1936
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 4: Party's blood pressure up, and so then he had to

1937
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:30,600
Speaker 4: go around basically meeting farmers and hearing their concerns and

1938
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 4: assuring them that this whole thing is not going to

1939
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:38,639
Speaker 4: just blow out on them. Quoting Thomas Coglin's piece. Later

1940
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 4: in February, Wat's told a meeting of Wycuttle Federated Farmers

1941
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Speaker 4: he would not be sending any money off shore to

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Speaker 4: meet the twenty thirty NDC. He said, some countries meet them,

1943
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Speaker 4: some won't just because of national circumstances. You have to

1944
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Speaker 4: have the intent to meet it, and if you don't

1945
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Speaker 4: meet it, no one sends you an invoice. And that

1946
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Speaker 4: was the best thing that I read all weekend, because

1947
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but because

1948
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 4: of this what we've signed up to with Paris Climate

1949
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Speaker 4: Court and blah blah blah, we stand we have a

1950
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Speaker 4: bill coming at us of about twenty three to twenty

1951
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Speaker 4: eight or they're about billion dollars that we have to

1952
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Speaker 4: send overseas to pay some other country to plant trees

1953
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Speaker 4: for us, so that we're not fullcoming foul of the

1954
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Speaker 4: Paris agreement. Right, So here we are having a discussion

1955
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Speaker 4: about how little money we've got in this country. But

1956
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Speaker 4: apparently we're going to send about twenty eight billion dollars

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Speaker 4: off to god knows where which third world country, to

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Speaker 4: plant trees for us. Very happy to hear that as

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Speaker 4: long as we intend to do it, we don't actually

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Speaker 4: have to do it. And apparently we're not going to

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Speaker 4: do it, And I think we can all rest a

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Speaker 4: little bit easy now knowing that. I don't know how

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Speaker 4: the Greens are going to feel about. They're probably not

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Speaker 4: very happy. Sixteen away from seven, whether it's.

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Speaker 1: Macro microbe or just plain economics, it's all on the

1966
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Speaker 1: business hours with Heather Duplicy, Hellen and Mares, Insurance and investments,

1967
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Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, Protect you, Judy.

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Speaker 4: Hither who counts the trees they plant? Lord probably have

1969
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Speaker 4: to pay somebody to do that, but actually you struggle.

1970
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Speaker 4: It's a bit of an honesty box system. So it

1971
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Speaker 4: also that's quite problematic, isn't it. Thirteen away from seven,

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Speaker 4: Indo Brady, UK correspondent with us, Heyinda.

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Speaker 23: Hey, Heather, great, speak to you him.

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Speaker 4: Have they got the power back on?

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Speaker 23: So they have, but the question marks persist about just

1976
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Speaker 23: what went wrong so badly in Spain and Portugal yesterday.

1977
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:31,520
Speaker 23: The whole Iberian peninsula wiped out no power for hours yesterday,

1978
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:36,799
Speaker 23: disrupting everything from schools, shopping, the Madrid Open tennis flights

1979
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Speaker 23: coming in and out with airports. It was chaos for hours.

1980
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Speaker 23: So yes, the power back on today. Scientists are telling

1981
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Speaker 23: us that it was a rare atmospheric phenomenon with a

1982
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 23: huge temperature differential several kilometers up that was affecting the

1983
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Speaker 23: power cables on the ground. I've never heard of this before.

1984
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Speaker 23: My suspicion is that it just might have been a

1985
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 23: cyber attack we haven't been told about. But look, it'll

1986
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Speaker 23: all come out in the wash.

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Speaker 4: There is some kind of speculation going on online and

1988
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Speaker 4: we've been warned about the speculation, but there is speculation

1989
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Speaker 4: online that Zero is to blame because of the reliance,

1990
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Speaker 4: especially at Spain, on renewables. Is there anything to that?

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Speaker 23: So there is a point on that. Actually, so the

1992
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Speaker 23: backup supply was powered by renewables, and a lot of

1993
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Speaker 23: the scientific community are saying that, you know, renewables were

1994
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Speaker 23: never meant to be the backup, that there should have

1995
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 23: been other factors in there as well. And yes, so

1996
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Speaker 23: when they went from Plan A to Plan B. Plan

1997
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Speaker 23: B was not working, so there is something to that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, interesting, Now what is going on here with

1999
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 4: Kostama trying to get Trump the Open again?

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Speaker 23: Golf diplomacy? So everyone's been watching the Prime Minister of Finland,

2001
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Speaker 23: Alexander Stubb, who studied at an American university and is

2002
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 23: a very seriously good golfer. So this guy flew the

2003
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 23: other week to Florida, popped up at Mari Lago and

2004
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 23: said the fancy around and played with Trump against some

2005
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Speaker 23: other guys and they won. Trump and Stubb won, and

2006
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 23: Trump was heard saying what an incredible golfer he was.

2007
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 23: Everyone in the UK has been watching the Finnish leader

2008
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 23: get close to Trump through golf. And now the papers

2009
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 23: here this morning have it that kir Starmer has instructed

2010
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Speaker 23: officials to start looking at how the Open Championship can

2011
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 23: be given to Trump Turnberry in Ayrshire in Scotland. So

2012
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 23: that is he owns two golf courses, one in Aberdeenshire

2013
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Speaker 23: in Scotland and one in Ayrshire which is Trump Turnbury.

2014
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 23: They haven't had the Open at Turnberrey since two thousand

2015
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Speaker 23: and nine. Trump did not own it then he spent

2016
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Speaker 23: about eighty million dollars buying it in twenty fourteen. It's

2017
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Speaker 23: his and apparently Trump has been making regular phone calls

2018
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Speaker 23: to Starmer and the only thing he's interested in is

2019
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Speaker 23: getting the Open Championship back to Turnberry.

2020
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Speaker 4: Inda, does do you think kiss Dama feels even slightly

2021
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:53,760
Speaker 4: embarrassed at doing this on Trump's Behalfn't everybody watching him

2022
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:54,959
Speaker 4: just be such a lepdog.

2023
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 23: I think they're all doing it. Every single country in

2024
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 23: the world, yours included. Everyone is making him. You know,

2025
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 23: he is a transactional president. He's out for as much

2026
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:06,680
Speaker 23: as he can get and I'm sure it sticks in

2027
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 23: the craw of people like Kier Starmer, who modeled themselves

2028
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 23: as public servants and decent, honest, right minded people. But

2029
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 23: Britain's look at our economic figures here flatlining, nothing's happening, tumbleweed.

2030
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 23: So they want the trade deal. They're trying to remedy

2031
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 23: all the detrimental effects of brigsit. And if allowing one

2032
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 23: man to have a golf tournament over four days in

2033
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 23: Scotland fixes the UK economy, I think most people would

2034
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 23: say good luck.

2035
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Speaker 4: To you, Inda, thank you so much. Really, appreciate about

2036
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 4: as always. It's Inde Brady, a UK correspondent. Hither come on,

2037
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 4: James Shaw knew the game was up when he came

2038
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 4: back from COP twenty four. I suspect James Shaw may

2039
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 4: have been the one who signed on this off this

2040
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 4: ridiculous thing. I'm not in Dayli Shure and I'm stand

2041
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:51,679
Speaker 4: to be corrected, but I think it was James Shaw

2042
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:53,640
Speaker 4: who signed off on this ridiculous thing. We were going

2043
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Speaker 4: to see billions of dollars. We're going to pretend that

2044
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 4: we're going to see billions of dollars off short of

2045
01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 4: plane trees. Look, here's the thing. Everybody knows. It's not

2046
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 4: going to happen, is it. Everybody knows? Well, I think

2047
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 4: at the cop at Cop whatever, when they decided that

2048
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:08,720
Speaker 4: this was how it was going to work. And New

2049
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 4: Zealand went, oh, oh are we signing a thing? Oh

2050
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 4: are we signed anything where we don't meet that we're

2051
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 4: going to send billions of dollars to Brazil, billions of

2052
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:18,719
Speaker 4: I just make sure, just billions of dollars to Brazil.

2053
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 4: We're going to sign that. Yeah, they knew, didn't they

2054
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 4: They knew because it's all airy, very nonsense for all,

2055
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 4: just playing the game as the old emperor's clothes. Anyway, Hey,

2056
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 4: did you know this? It matters which you get your

2057
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 4: vaccine and you know when you go to the nurse

2058
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 4: and they're going to give you the covid jab and

2059
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 4: whatever jab and they say to you and which time

2060
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 4: would you like it in? You know, and you go, oh,

2061
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 4: you know, this doesn't really matter. Well it does. Actually

2062
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:44,559
Speaker 4: you've got to get it in the same one that

2063
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 4: you always get it in. Now this is specifically read

2064
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:49,600
Speaker 4: the COVID jab. I'm assuming it's the same for the

2065
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 4: flu jab and stuff, because the flu jab is my

2066
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 4: go to jab. I love that little jab. I'm not

2067
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 4: so keen on the covid jab anymore because it's just,

2068
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:57,640
Speaker 4: I don't know, made me feel a bit yucklass, So

2069
01:35:57,640 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 4: I didn't it anyway, so I get the flu jab.

2070
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Speaker 4: So apparently how it works is that when you get

2071
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 4: the jab, this is Australian research, When you get the jab,

2072
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 4: your body has little immune cells that go all over

2073
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 4: your body to protect you from this particular thing that's

2074
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 4: been introduced to you and therefore keep you safe.

2075
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Speaker 3: Right.

2076
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:14,719
Speaker 4: But what they've also discovered is that in the area

2077
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,759
Speaker 4: around where you got sick first, which will now obviously

2078
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 4: be your jab site. There is an extra layer of

2079
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 4: immune defense, and these little cells are extra primed more

2080
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 4: so than the others that extra primed to be on

2081
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:27,680
Speaker 4: the lookout for this particular thing. So if you get

2082
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 4: jabbed there and then a year later you get jabbed

2083
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 4: in the same place, you want to get jabbed in

2084
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,759
Speaker 4: the same place because those little cells there are extra

2085
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 4: extra primed, so it's more likely to work.

2086
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 31: But Heather, what if I don't remember what arm I

2087
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,600
Speaker 31: got jabbed in a year ago? A year ago, did

2088
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 31: you not draw it on with permanent market?

2089
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 18: No, I didn't.

2090
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 31: I didn't think at the time it would be really

2091
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 31: important that I would need.

2092
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 4: The same hand. I'm going to solve this for you

2093
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 4: because I'm on a solving mission today. What you want

2094
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 4: to do is get the tattoo. Just get a X

2095
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:57,599
Speaker 4: well a circle round it, and when they go where

2096
01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:59,120
Speaker 4: would you like it, you just pull it up and

2097
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 4: you go there every time.

2098
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:03,799
Speaker 31: Right, Vaccinata can probably just have a tattooing. Then ready

2099
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 31: next door and just ready.

2100
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 4: I feel like there's a business. I feel like we

2101
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:09,720
Speaker 4: have struck. I feel like when you stop talking about

2102
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:11,720
Speaker 4: it immediately, because otherwise everybody's going to get onto our

2103
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 4: business and they're going to do it before we do it.

2104
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Speaker 1: Away from seven, it's the Heather Toople s Allen Drive

2105
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Speaker 1: Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZBB five.

2106
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Speaker 4: Away from seven. Now, Lilybit, Princess Lily Bit has an

2107
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 4: American accent. This is obviously Princess Lily Bit has an

2108
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 4: American accent because she and her mum and her dad

2109
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 4: and the brother live in Malibu, don't they, which is

2110
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 4: in the States It is Mount No anyway, whatever, They

2111
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 4: live in California. I don't really care anyway. So what

2112
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 4: happened is is Meghan Markle put up an Instagram story

2113
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 4: at the weekend and it's of her and Princess Lilybet

2114
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 4: making jam. And this is what everybody's noticed, is that

2115
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:53,760
Speaker 4: she has an American accent. Have a listen.

2116
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Speaker 8: I think it's beautiful.

2117
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 4: I mean, like that is cute, though, isn't it. I

2118
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:06,640
Speaker 4: think it's beautiful. She has an American accent, which is

2119
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:09,680
Speaker 4: flipping people out because obviously the British family normally have

2120
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 4: a British accent, don't they. But then let's be honest

2121
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 4: about it. She's not really a princess, is she. She's

2122
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:18,560
Speaker 4: not really a print? Why is that shocking to you?

2123
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 4: And negotiate to get her that.

2124
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:22,519
Speaker 31: I was going to say, she didn't used to be,

2125
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 31: but now she's closed. She's far enough off the succession.

2126
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,839
Speaker 31: I mean, she only needs like, what like twelve people

2127
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 31: to die before she's queen. I think that's princess enough.

2128
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 4: Oh mate, they had to negotiate for her to get

2129
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 4: the title, and she sounds like an American and she

2130
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:35,719
Speaker 4: makes jams.

2131
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:37,400
Speaker 31: I mean, you know, this is the thing with the Monica.

2132
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 31: If they decide someone's a princess, I mean, they just

2133
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 31: get to decide that. We don't get to vote on it.

2134
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 31: That's how it works. Okay, what have you got for us?

2135
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 31: A metal by the Best to play us out tonight.

2136
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 31: This is the newest song. It's their first song since

2137
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 31: twenty twenty three when they did that re release of

2138
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 31: Expert in a Dying Field. They're on the move too.

2139
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 31: They've signed with a different label. They've announced North American

2140
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 31: two a dates, so lots of hints that they may

2141
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 31: well have an album coming out.

2142
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Speaker 4: In the Senate, I've got one for you for tomorrow.

2143
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Speaker 16: This is cool.

2144
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 4: I've got one for you tomorrow. Did you know that

2145
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 4: Toto made it big? I read about it last night.

2146
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:06,719
Speaker 4: Did you know because I said.

2147
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 31: Oh, I was gonna say, we almost got with the

2148
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 31: whole show without mentioning Toto almost.

2149
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 4: Did you know that Toto made it big again in

2150
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:16,800
Speaker 4: maybe the like two thousands because Weezer did a cover

2151
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:19,839
Speaker 4: of Africa, which reintroduced Africa to everybody.

2152
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:21,639
Speaker 31: Oh, so we're going to play the Weezer.

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Speaker 4: You need to find there some person to it. All right,

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Speaker 4: that's good.

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Speaker 31: Tune again at six fifty five tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Yep, we'll be here for Toto tomorrow.

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Speaker 8: So yeah bye.

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