1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Barry Soper, senior political correspondent to rap the Political Week 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: that was welcome back Barry. 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 2: Hello again, Heather. 4 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: They're going to have to call a big, do it once, 5 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: do it right inquiry into the Marty Party, aren't they. 6 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely. We've seen Chris Luxen, who will be back 7 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: from his trip round the Pacific in the next twenty 8 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: four hours. He said that he'll have a look at it. 9 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: He'll have a look at what stats New Zealand are doing. 10 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 2: The police have had a complaint filed with them. The 11 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: Electoral Commission should be involved, so too the Maldi Party itself. 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: They've come out, as I said earlier, fists flailing today, 13 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: saying we've got nothing to hide, show us the evidence 14 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: and if you do that then we can reply to 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: these allegations. Well, the only way to clear this matter up, 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: and it's a very serious matter when a census data 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: is used in this way, if it has been, it's 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: a very serious matter and it has to be looked into. 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: And you know, the Maldi Party and John Timmer heavy 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: have a lot of questions that they need to be asked. Yeah. 21 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: Part of the reason why I think there has to 22 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: be a big overarching inquiry is because a number of 23 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: these agencies themselves have real questions to answer, Like mist 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: was warned by a whistleblower allegedly and just ignored it, 25 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: moved her out of them at a stats was warned 26 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: and ignored it for months. By the sounds of things, 27 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: the Electoral Commission still hasn't actually done any anything substantive 28 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: of a bunch of these allegations. They can't be expected 29 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: to look into themselves right when there are questions about 30 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: their own conduct. 31 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean you know that would be a whitewash, 32 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: not an inquiry at all. So definitely there should be 33 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: a ministerial inquiry or even a select committee inquiry. Although 34 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: I don't think that's strong enough. I think this cuts 35 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: to the very heart yeah of democracy and the privacy 36 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: of information, and really it has to be an overarching 37 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: and limer. 38 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I reckon the right person to 39 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: do this. It's either the Coppers or it is the 40 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: Order to General. But what happens with it orders to General? 41 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: Does does somebody need to complain to him for him 42 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: to start an inquiry that somebody would have He can't 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: just appoint himself to one. 44 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: No, I think, well, yes, he can. He can say 45 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: I'll be looking into this, but I think it needs 46 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 2: more than that. I think it needs to be a 47 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: much more open inquiry so the public can have its 48 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: faith restored, not just in democracy, but in the senses 49 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: and the way that's being conducted, the way it may 50 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 2: have been conducted in this case. 51 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not a fair, fair point. Actually, the NATS 52 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: have they managed to rescue themselves after that balls up 53 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: for cancer drugs? 54 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 2: Well, you know it was egg on their face, wasn't 55 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: it really that. I don't know why they misread the 56 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: situation so badly, and they should never in the first place, 57 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: and the lead up to the last election promise thirteen 58 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 2: keys of drugs because what you do in doing that 59 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 2: is you undermine your own bargaining ability because the pharmaceutical 60 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: companies will know exactly the drugs thereafter, and you can't 61 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: then bargain in the way you may be able to 62 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: or may have been able to. And the difficulty is 63 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: now for National it says it's going to make a 64 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 2: decision on these cancer drugs very shortly. Well, you know 65 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 2: they're going to find it difficult, not just with the 66 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: pharmaceutical companies but with Farmac. Now it's Farmac's job to 67 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: do the buying on behalf of the taxpayer and the government. 68 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: It's not. It's not the government's job to tell Farmac 69 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 2: which drugs to buy. And that's a real problem. 70 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think you're right on that one. 71 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: The radiology services money is that. I looked at that 72 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: and thought of this is them trying to sort of 73 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: restore their reputation on the housefield. Am I being too cynical? 74 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: No, that that decision was made within twenty four hours 75 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: of them talking about the cancer drugs, But this is 76 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: really quite a step change in the way things have 77 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: been conducted in the past. They're throwing thirty million dollars 78 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: at it, and what it means is that a GP 79 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: can refer a person to radiology services and that includes 80 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: scans and the light CT scans and the like, rather 81 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: than the person having to first go to a specialist 82 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: and then get referred to a radiology service. And you 83 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: can imagine it would make for a much more streamlined 84 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: situation if they have the information that's garnered out of 85 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: having the X ray to be able to present that 86 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: to a specialist, and it would give the specialist you 87 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: know a much better idea of what the patient is 88 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: suffering from and how it can be rectified. 89 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: End of the week on higher with pothole money, Like 90 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: who doesn't love money for potholes? 91 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: Well, you know it's it's incredible, isn't it that we 92 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: talk in this country about potholes. Normally it's a third 93 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: world problem, But when you consider the figure that they 94 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: put out sixty two thousand potholes detected around New Zealand 95 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: last year, we've got a real roading problem. And it's 96 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: not just its maintenance, but it has to be ongoing 97 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: maintenance rather than plugging holes. 98 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, Barry, thank you very much. Appreciate it 99 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: as always. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, Rapping the political 100 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: week that was. 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