1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Kyota. 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. UK police 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 2: have arrested Andrew Mountbatten Windsor on suspicion of committing misconduct 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 2: in public office. It comes after allegations the former prints 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: shared confidential information with former financier and sex offender Jeffrey 7 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: Epstein while he was a UK Trade Envoy, a role 8 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: which he held from two thousand and one to twenty eleven. 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: Police searched his Sandringham home and former Royal Lodge residents today. 10 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: He has since been released after about twelve hours of questioning. 11 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: Today on the Front Page, Royal correspondent Gavin Gray joins 12 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: us from Windsor to break down the latest on this 13 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: disgraced royal. First off, Gavin Paint does a picture of 14 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: what's happened over there overnight. 15 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 3: It's been an extraordinary few hours. 16 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 4: The former Prince Andrew Andrew man Batten Windsor is sixty 17 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 4: six to day. The last thing he expected was some 18 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 4: burly police officers to be banging on the door. 19 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: At eight a m. 20 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 4: They went there to formally arrest him, take him into custody. 21 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 4: And question him about misconduct in public office. 22 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: What does that mean? 23 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 4: Well, this isn't anything to do with the allegations that 24 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 4: Virginia Jufrei or Virginia Roberts made against him. 25 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 3: This is that when he was Trade Envoy, which. 26 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 4: Was a sort of unofficial post if you liked Chelsea, 27 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 4: that it was effectively that he saw decisions and paperwork 28 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 4: from this government that had not been made public. The 29 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 4: allegations are that he then told Jeffrey Epstein, the late 30 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 4: disgraced financier, what the government was going to announce. 31 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: And of course, to certain. 32 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: Business people that's worth a lot of money. If they 33 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 4: know what the decision is going to be before it's 34 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 4: made and announced, that can be worth a lot of money. 35 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: The allegations are that. 36 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 4: Andrew was therefore ferrying this information, either knowingly or unknowingly, 37 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 4: to Jeffrey Epstein. He says he's done nothing wrong. Andrew 38 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 4: man Baten Winter says, I have done nothing knowingly wrong. 39 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: But plenty of people in this country find it amazing 40 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 4: that that information should. 41 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 3: If it did, go via email to Epstein. 42 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: And we know this all because of the Epstein files, 43 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: don't we We do? 44 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 3: They have released a whole tranche of files. 45 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 4: Of course, and Andrew is in quite a lot of them, 46 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 4: along with his ex wife Sarah Ferguson, and a lot 47 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 4: of very important influential businessmen who have made a lot 48 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 4: of money. 49 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: And that's where all this sort of hooks in together. 50 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 4: Interesting that this arrest should have been made because the 51 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 4: police could had quite certainly contacted Andrew mount Batten Wins 52 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 4: and said, can you, at an agreed time come into 53 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 4: the police station for a chat? And of course we 54 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 4: the media wouldn't have known the first thing about that, 55 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 4: because he would have organized to go in either at 56 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 4: night or you know, when people weren't waiting for something 57 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 4: to happen. 58 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: As it was, the media were. 59 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 4: Outside Sandrum, they had been for several days, and all 60 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 4: of a sudden it exploded. Now Andrew was in custody 61 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 4: for just under twelve hours. He has now returned home. 62 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 4: A picture has surfaced of him trying to what looks 63 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 4: like duck in the back seat of the car that 64 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 4: he's in, looking completely hollowed out. 65 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: This isn't just a come down. 66 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 4: For somebody that thought he was so important in the 67 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 4: role family. This is a complete, total, utter humiliation and 68 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 4: it could be about to get a lot worse. The 69 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 4: next steps could be the police say thanks for talking 70 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 4: to us, Actually we don't want to talk to you anymore. 71 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 4: The evidence isn't there, or we found evidence that clears you, 72 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 4: or he could be charged, and that would put it 73 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 4: all into a different board game. 74 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: It's funny you bring up that photo because I've noticed 75 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: that the BBC has been running it almost consistently. You know, 76 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: all day to day, that photo, and if you haven't 77 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: seen it, you know you'll know it when you see 78 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: it kind of thing. This all seems quite unprecedented, is it. 79 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 4: I think it probably is in modern times. I've been 80 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,239 Speaker 4: covering the Roles for over thirty five years, and certainly 81 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 4: nothing's seen anything like it. The only time one can 82 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 4: think of the Royal as any senior member of the 83 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 4: Role family getting into a bit of hot bother was 84 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 4: about twenty years ago, believe it or not, Princess Anne 85 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 4: pleaded guilty to having a dangerous dog as it had 86 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 4: been a member of the public. 87 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 3: But this is off the scale to what we've got today. 88 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 4: Here are some really serious allegations of national security that 89 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 4: have been made about Andrew, the Queen's most favorite son. 90 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 4: It was recorded eighth in line to the throne, the 91 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 4: King's younger brother. And you know, Chelsea, the amazing thing 92 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 4: is if this goes to court, if then the Crown 93 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 4: Prosecution Service will be prosecuting, and that word. 94 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: Crown means the King. 95 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 4: The people representing the King will be prosecuting Andrew Mann 96 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 4: Batman Windsor if it goes that far. As I said, 97 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 4: he has denied any wrongdoing. But there is a lot 98 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 4: more to this, Chelsea, because something like six to eight 99 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 4: other police forces in the UK are also looking at 100 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 4: other investigations around Jeffrey Epstein, and one of those is 101 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 4: looking at some eighty or nearly ninety flights that came 102 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 4: into the UK or left from the UK in his 103 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 4: private aeroplane, and the concern is that some of those 104 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 4: flights may have been trafficking. 105 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 3: Young women or girls. Of course, did Andrew man Batten 106 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 3: Winsor know about that? He says not. 107 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: It's funny you bring up so Andrew is still eighth 108 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: in line to the throne. At what point does he 109 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: completely get shafted by the royal family. 110 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 4: I would imagine it's going to be a matter of minutes, 111 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 4: woun't you? But at the moment, officially he is still 112 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 4: in late eighth in line to the throne. I can't 113 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 4: imagine King Charles the Third will allow that for very long. 114 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 4: You know, he stripped him of all the titles, he 115 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 4: has kicked him out of his house. Now we get 116 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 4: these further allegations. What is there left? There's that left 117 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 4: that he's still in the line of succession, believe it 118 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 4: or not. Though it has to go through some legislation 119 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 4: and it has to go through things, so you know, 120 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 4: it may be sometime in the coming but I'm absolutely 121 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 4: sure that they are looking to do that. 122 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: Now. 123 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 4: Another thing I think the king is desperate to do. 124 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 4: He was out on official engagements today, meeting and greeting people, 125 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 4: and as he got out the car, people were shouting, 126 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 4: what did you know about Andrew? 127 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: What's your reaction to this? 128 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 4: That's been commonplace now for the last few months, whenever 129 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 4: he's out and about, and that can't go on. 130 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: I don't think that cannot be allowed to go on. 131 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 4: And so I think we are going to see some 132 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 4: decisive action, and that is why I think the king 133 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 4: has been quite decisive so far. But this is a 134 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 4: situation that is completely new. I think, do you know 135 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 4: what I think the last time a senior member of 136 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 4: the Royle family was detained. We might be looking almost 137 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 4: back to King Charles the first and he. 138 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: Was executed absolutely, and I mean in terms of the 139 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: eighth in line to the thrown, you know, the likelihood 140 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: of him ever becoming close. I mean the average age 141 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: of a monarch these days is about one hundred, right, 142 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: So I mean it's not but it's largely symbolic, isn't it. 143 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: In terms of King Charles. 144 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: What has he actually officially said? 145 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 4: I suppose there was a statement out today and there 146 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 4: were two key bits in it for me, at least 147 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: in the middle of it all in its own paragraph 148 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 4: was that phrase no one is above the law. And 149 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 4: I think that's key because that says, Andrew, You're going 150 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 4: to be like anybody else in this process. And I 151 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 4: think that's possibly why the police didn't just say, come 152 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 4: and see us under cover of darkness. 153 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: I think that's why there was the big door knock. 154 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 4: Incidentally, it is said that King Charles had no idea 155 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 4: this was going to happen. There are some people who 156 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 4: are doubting that the Home Office, the government department that 157 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 4: looks after the police. They did know beforehand, so it's 158 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 4: interesting that that was there and this tac was taken. 159 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 4: But King Charles has got a very difficult act now, 160 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 4: and that is trying to separate family and monarchy. One 161 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 4: often talks about the royal family, but of course family 162 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 4: is one thing, and you can't. 163 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 3: Do anything about a sister or a brother you don't 164 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 3: particularly like. 165 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 4: But you can try as he is doing, I think, 166 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 4: and isolate the monarchy from the scandal. Every time the 167 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: communications people the royal family think they get ahead of 168 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 4: this Chelsea, it comes up and it overwhelms them again. 169 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 4: And as I said, if this investigation goes on as 170 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 4: I think it will, this could. 171 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: Go on for years. 172 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 5: Well you know, i'm the expert in a way, because 173 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 5: I've been totally exonerated. It's very nice I can actually 174 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 5: speak about it very nicely. I think it's a shame. 175 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 5: I think it's very sad. I think it's so bad 176 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 5: for the royal family. It's a very very sad to me. 177 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 5: It's a very sad thing when I see that. It's 178 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 5: a very sad thing to see it and to see 179 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 5: what's going on with his brother who's obviously coming to 180 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 5: our country very soon that he's a fantastic man, the king. 181 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 5: So I think it's a very sad thing. It's really 182 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 5: interesting because nobody used to speak about Epistein when he 183 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 5: was alive, but now they speak. But I'm the one 184 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,119 Speaker 5: that can talk about it because I've been totally exonerated. 185 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 5: I did nothing. 186 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: Is he ever likely to face I think there is 187 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 4: that possibility. Personally, I think it's unlikely, but it rather depines. 188 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 4: It depends what police find in these searches. So we 189 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 4: know they conducted a search. 190 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 3: At the current house that Andrew is living in. 191 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 4: Incidentally, it was the house where Prince Philip spent his 192 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 4: last days as well, in the Sandringham estate in East England. 193 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 4: Andrew is waiting to move into a house that's being 194 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 4: done up for him, much much smaller. 195 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 3: They've been searching there. That search has now concluded. 196 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 4: There is another search happening not far from here, actually 197 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 4: in Windsor, and that was Andrew's old house, this massive 198 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 4: mansion that he was allowed to live in until eventually 199 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 4: he was told he had to get out, and. 200 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 3: They are searching that. 201 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 4: And the reasoning, sidly is because not all of Andrew's 202 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 4: stuff has been moved out, and I am absolutely sure 203 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 4: they'll be looking for computers, computer records, emails, printouts, mobile 204 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 4: phone phone records, all of that to see what that 205 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 4: communication wants between Epstein and Andrew and to see what information, 206 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 4: if any, what documents, if any, might have been passed over. 207 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 4: Now Here is one crucial thought about this toy you, Chelsea. 208 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 4: Here in the UK, we have sacked an ambassador to America, 209 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 4: Lord Mandelson, because of the Epstein files. We have now 210 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 4: had a very close relative of the monarch, somebody in 211 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 4: the royal family arrested. If you can arrest a prince, 212 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 4: could you also arrest a president. Plenty of people are thinking, 213 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 4: what's happening in America? Why haven't any of the businessmen 214 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 4: who were named by the women who said that they 215 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 4: were trafficked? Why haven't they even been talked to? And 216 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 4: is President Trump a squeaky clean in this? 217 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: As he says he is? 218 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 4: He says, I'm completely exonerated. I've got nothing to hide. 219 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 4: But so much has been redacted in those Epstein files. 220 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 4: People are thinking, is that exactly the case? 221 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: It certainly does seem like the UK is doing far 222 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: more than the US in terms of these Epstein files, 223 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: I mean that must play quite well for circuits. 224 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: Damer, Yes, I think so. 225 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 4: I think it plays probably quite well for the country actually, 226 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 4: and very proud of our legal processes, as of course 227 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: New Zealanders as well. And I think it also feeds 228 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 4: into the narrative that King Charles is trying to get 229 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 4: this sorted. You know, he doesn't want to get directly involved, 230 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 4: because he's not a solicitor or a embarrassed anything. But 231 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 4: he's saying, look, treat Andrew as you would anyone else, 232 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 4: and believe in me. These custody suites that Andrew would 233 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 4: have been kept in are not cozy. You know, there 234 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 4: would have been no lap of luxury. And for a 235 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: man who's everyone I've spoken to who has worked for 236 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 4: him or knows him, says arrogant, says full of himself, 237 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 4: could be very rude to people. This is some mighty, 238 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 4: mighty come down. What it'll mean for Sarah Ferguson, she's 239 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 4: kind of disappeared anyway, We believe she's in the Middle East. 240 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 4: But what it will mean for the two daughters, Princesses 241 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 4: Eugenie and Beatrice, that's another matter. At the moment, they're 242 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 4: still in the royal family. There are rumors though that 243 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 4: Prince William and Princess Catherine think the whole family, that 244 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 4: side of the family should be I think cut a 245 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 4: drift a bit. It's going to be very very difficult, 246 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 4: very very painful. And that's before we've heard from these 247 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 4: other police services around the UK that have got these 248 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 4: other investigations going on as well. 249 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it could very well become a 250 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 2: lot worse for him. This is the tip of the iceberg. 251 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: What's been the reaction of the British public to this news? 252 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 4: Well, I can't just can't tell you how many camera 253 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 4: crews they were outside Buckingham Palace earlier and probably still are. 254 00:13:54,440 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 4: This has been a worldwide story. I'd be talking, you 255 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 4: know as well to newsrooms around the world about this. 256 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 4: It has been an amazing thing. And I think part 257 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 4: of it is Andrew has never been that universally popular. 258 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 4: There's that old adage, isn't there be nice to people 259 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 4: on your way up because you might need them on 260 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 4: your way down, And we're seeing somebody that has really 261 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 4: suffered from that, I think and he seems to be 262 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 4: pretty sure of friends at the moment, and people love 263 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 4: that story that here is somebody who had everything, everything 264 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 4: he ever wanted. He probably never washed the plate, you know, 265 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 4: he was somebody who really was born into a massive 266 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 4: life of grace and favor all of a sudden brought 267 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 4: back down to earth with a massive, massive bump. And 268 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 4: even though he's saying nothing to do with me, didn't 269 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 4: do any wrongdoing, et cetera, et cetera, there is just 270 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 4: this snowball effect now, allegation after allegation after allegation, and 271 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 4: that is what is so captivating, Darius said about the story. 272 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: And I've seen comments from Virginia Giuffrey's family as well, 273 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: And of course you mentioned her before. She's one of 274 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: the women at the forefront of the Epstein files and 275 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: the Epstein abuse allegations who said that she was raped 276 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: by Andrew several times as a minor. They've come out 277 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: and said that she, you know, in retrospect, is doing 278 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: it for every rape victim around the world. And she 279 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: obviously she died of suicide in April last year, but 280 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: she died with people still saying that she was making 281 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: things up. 282 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 4: Yes, and today still I think further and supporters of 283 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 4: Andrew will probably say, oh, you know, he's done nothing 284 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 4: wrong in this and that, and he denies ever meeting her. 285 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 4: Still still are saying, you know, yes, it was her persistence. 286 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 4: What was it? You know, there there are two of 287 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 4: us here, and we both know the truth, but one 288 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 4: of us is prepared to say it. So I think 289 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 4: was her big quote something along those lines. And here 290 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 4: we are seeing her defiance that she wasn't going to 291 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 4: be quiet. She wasn't going to be kept quiet. And 292 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 4: even though it was very important and very powerful people 293 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 4: Prince Andrew at the time, but also Epstein and a 294 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 4: lot of very senior business people in that upper echelon 295 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 4: circle of Epstein's circle, even though all of those things 296 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 4: that she probably felt terribly isolated at the time. This 297 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 4: is the ripple effect from what she's done. The release 298 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 4: of the Epstein files in particular, has been that. But 299 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 4: as I said, this arrest today was not about any 300 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 4: sexual allegations. This was entirely about the fact that he 301 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 4: was privy to information. But did he then give that 302 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 4: information to other people for whatever reason? And if he has, 303 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 4: that's a very very serious offense and one that people 304 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 4: in this country will not forgive it. 305 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 3: Good he deserves it. 306 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: Should have should have been arrested a long time ago. 307 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 3: Quite frankly, I think just abused his position completely. So yeah, 308 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 3: it's the right thing for the victims. 309 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: I want to see everybody on the files of wrestled, 310 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: everybody that was involved with Epstein, everybody else doing anything 311 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: illegal and moral. I want them aral wrestled, I want 312 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: them more trial. 313 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: I think it is good that it's been arrested. It's 314 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 3: good that he's paid for what he's done. 315 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: Now, lastly, Gavin, paint me a picture. You've been a 316 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: royal correspondent for you said thirty five years. Now, it 317 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: doesn't you know you're doing well. It doesn't look like 318 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: you've been in the game for that long. But paint 319 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: me a picture. 320 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 3: What happens? 321 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: Do you get a text message from a guard something 322 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: saying the police are here? 323 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: Do you you know? 324 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 2: How do you get involved in? How do you know 325 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: that these things are happening. 326 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 4: There are people who have worked for the Royal household, 327 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 4: don't forget lots of palaces, lots of houses. The staff 328 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 4: are very large in number. They are also not very 329 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 4: well paid. Now I'm not pointing to finger any one 330 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 4: member of staff ending but by and large some of 331 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 4: them do you know, meet journalists and get taken out 332 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 4: for dinner and stuff, so there's an element of that. 333 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 4: There's the former staff as well who might not feel 334 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 4: they've been treated very well, and I dare say there 335 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 4: are a few who work directly for Andrew who. 336 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 3: Might feel that way. 337 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 4: So you get those then of course, yes, people within 338 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 4: the police force, within the security service as well. I 339 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 4: mean it's it is it's contacts, it's having knowing. 340 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: Others as well. 341 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 4: And also I have to say the Royal correspondents are 342 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 4: pretty good at at sort of you know, sharing things 343 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 4: as well occasionally, but it is an extraordinary job. Is 344 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 4: a correspondent one of the most unusual roles, I think, 345 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 4: because you are looking so much at a family, and 346 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 4: of course all families have you know, members who are 347 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 4: slightly odd or slightly get into trouble or anything like that. 348 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 3: But you're also looking. 349 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 4: At a monarchy and the way in which the monarchy 350 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 4: operates is absolutely fascinating. And it was Prince Philip who 351 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 4: called it the firm, you know, like it was a business, 352 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 4: and lots of people said, oh that was that was 353 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 4: not the right thing to say, but in a sense 354 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 4: it is a business and if they lose the support 355 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 4: of the UK people, if they lose the support. 356 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 3: Of the Commonwealth member countries as well, then I think 357 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 3: the game is up. 358 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Kevin. 359 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 3: Lovely to speak to you again, Jelsic, Thank you. 360 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. 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