1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: The time for politics. Wednesday, Mark Mitchell's with us along 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: with Ginny Anderson Morning Morning, Morning Morning Mate. 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: Jenny goes to exactly the same anxiety when she does 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: a public meeting, wondering whether or not. 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 3: And Mark's two chee too chubby to get in the 6 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 3: backset of the money. 7 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 4: So he's very good. Thank you. I'll take that as 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 4: a thank you. There we go. 9 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: Now, what's going on, Genny? You can give us the 10 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: inside Skinny Jinny on. 11 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 3: Sure after recovering from that was quite depressing that moby 12 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 3: me was. 13 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: He's a bit melancholic old maybe anyway, the inside Skinny 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: Jinny on viril v Little in Wellington radio silence. What's 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: going on? Is there is? 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: There? 17 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 4: Is there a on? 18 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 3: I think she's just been a strong local advocate for 19 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,319 Speaker 3: the many thousands of Wellington Tonians who want a bit 20 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 3: more information, and he's been quite quiet. I think Andrew 21 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 3: Little the other side is doing a good job, is 22 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 3: getting to in the air and trying to do it. 23 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: But you know, I've got mates who around that coast 24 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 3: when the sea washes up, they have to go clean 25 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 3: off the front of their houses because there's literally, you know, 26 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: fecal matter on the front of their houses. So people 27 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 3: are pretty upset. 28 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: So they should be. Why will tell me? And this 29 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: is why Viril's right and Little is the problem? Why then, 30 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: is the guy from the water plant not allowed to 31 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: talk and Little's taken over communications. But Little's not telling 32 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: us anything because you don't know what's going on, do you. 33 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 4: Well? 34 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 3: I think that that's the whole point of an inquiry, 35 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 3: and so I think there may well be. And I'm 36 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: not the. 37 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: She's gone yourself? Sorry you. 38 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 3: Probably I'll just know. I just finished off saying that 39 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: you know, there there are a high level and I 40 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: heard from that public meeting that they had that people 41 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 3: you know, understandably are incredibly upset. And even in the 42 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: out in the Hut Valley, you know, we're being told 43 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: that we're going to foot the bill for for some 44 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: of this, and so people even in the Art Valley 45 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 3: are pretty upset for the fact it's been such a 46 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: huge fing exactly. 47 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: Mark the Police Association on this program this week telling 48 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: me they don't have the resource for the move on orders? 49 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: What what what I mean? For goodness sake, do we 50 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: want to get on with this country or do we not? 51 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 4: No? 52 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and look you know, the Police Association had got 53 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: an important role to play, but they're not right about everything. 54 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 2: They came out pretty hard against our game Pitch band 55 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: as well and didn't feel like the police had the 56 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: ability to be able to implement it, and had all 57 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: sorts of concerns and worries. And within seven minutes the 58 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: first band, the first patch had been taken and it's 59 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: been extremely successful for us as a country. So you know, 60 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: it's the same people coming out. 61 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 4: You know, I struggle. 62 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: I struggled with you know, both chrys Relux and yourself 63 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: have said that that homeless people, people without any housing 64 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: are just the same as the game pitch then, and 65 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 3: I think people struggle with it. But to the point 66 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 3: of the police, I. 67 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 4: Think we're using it. I think they use as an example. 68 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: Hey on, Jenny, let me respond to that now they're 69 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: using we're using that as an example of a labor 70 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: led of a labor led opposition. 71 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 4: So the Greens and to Party Maria right in this too, 72 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 4: of every. 73 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: Single thing that we've done since coming to govern and 74 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: we inherited a country that was heading in all the 75 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: wrong directions in terms of public safety. You have opposed 76 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: and they have been successful, and you're not, and you're 77 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: not and you're not gonna and you're not going to 78 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: get rid of them. And now with you keep using 79 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: the term homeless, the people that live on the streets, 80 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: it is bad for. 81 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 4: Them, It is bad for the community, it's bad for them. 82 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: Saint John's been very clear with the advice that I've 83 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: got over the last twelve months that they are at risk. 84 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: We're not going to tolerate that anymore. We are going 85 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: to give the place some additional tools so that we 86 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: can actually get them engaging. 87 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 4: With the people that can actually help them. And we're 88 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 4: not going to have people living on the street anymore. 89 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 4: That's a good thing. 90 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 3: Why people, Well, the first thing I'd like to address, Mike, 91 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: is that myth that people don't have somewhere else to go. 92 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: They don't have somewhere else to go. 93 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: And we know that because gut into public housing, and 94 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: also the requirements for getting onto emergency housing shifted to 95 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: make it harder. I've been down there, I've met with 96 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 3: those people. Many many of them do not have somewhere 97 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: else to go. Simply shifting them into Kingsland or into 98 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: another suburb is not going to fix the problem. It's 99 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: not a solution. And the final point is police themselves 100 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 3: have said they don't have the capacity. The recent survey 101 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 3: for association, their recent. 102 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: Survey shows have asked for this this. 103 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 3: Mark, can I finish? The Police Association conducted a staff 104 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: survey of their members and over sixty percent have considered 105 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 3: leaving police service because they're burnt out. And largely that's because. 106 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: Of if you ask, we're just a bunch of journey 107 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: we're a bunch of owners in this country. If you 108 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: ask anybody in the workplace whether they've considered leaving, everyone's 109 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: considered leaving all the time. Can I just say this, 110 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: just for the just for the record, mark, do they 111 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: have somewhere to go? Yes or no? 112 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely they do. Most of these people that are 113 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: rough sleeping on the streets and Ginny get out and 114 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: go out with how Wellington. 115 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know whether 116 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 4: you do that? So when did you do? 117 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 3: I have done that in Auckland, and I've also been out. 118 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 4: With how recent? How recent? When did you do that? 119 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 3: Have been towards the end of last year that I 120 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: did that? 121 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: Okay, so you would have seen so you would have 122 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: seen very clearly that our police officers, they are very 123 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: empathetic to the way that they deal with people that 124 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: are rough sleeping. They don't have to call they need 125 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: the people that are rough sleeping, Ginny have got somewhere 126 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: to go. The Wellington Bleats beat staff have got the 127 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: seeds to their accommodation to. 128 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 4: Take them there at the end of the day. But 129 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 4: what they don't care. 130 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: Problem Mark, that you have. 131 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 2: Your say, you let me have my say. Please you guys, 132 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: you guys were unable to fix this problem when you're 133 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 2: in government. You threw billions of dollars at it. We 134 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 2: are saying, we're quite simply saying that it is not 135 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: safe for people to be living on the street. Yes, 136 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 2: they do have somewhere to go, Jenny, and those that 137 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 2: are genuinely will then we will address. 138 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: And we've got to accept at some point Mark and Jenny, 139 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: we've got to accept at some point of you, as 140 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: the minister, Mark say they have somewhere to go. 141 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 4: You've got to accept. 142 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: You've got do otherwise Mark's line, which he isn't doing. 143 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: Can I also just say one thing. The media is 144 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: mischievous in this and there are different sorts of homelessness. 145 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: Aren't there what we're talking about. I think in general 146 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: are the people who are drugged up and cause trouble. 147 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: And these are the deliberate trouble makers in downtown christ 148 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: These are not the people who are just sitting on 149 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: a corner minding their own business. 150 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 4: These are people who are. 151 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: Swearing at you, attacking you, yelling at you, preventing you 152 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: going about your daily business. And you can't for a moment, 153 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: Jenny tell me that that's acceptable and I shouldn't be 154 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: able to go about my business because their rights beat mine. 155 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 4: Can you. 156 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 3: There's also a lot of young people, So there's a 157 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: lot of young people have come from homes with his 158 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: high levels of either family. 159 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: No no, no, no deal with my question, and. 160 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 3: So and so that they are so you can't. I 161 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: don't think you can generalize and just say. 162 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: This is the problem with the they're willing to on 163 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: the streets. 164 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 4: And addiction. 165 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: As a weaver, councilor's heart of the city. Everyone supports this. 166 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 4: Everyone's getting behind it because they are the ones and 167 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 4: they realize how bad it is. The people are clean 168 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 4: upon city. 169 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: Mission does a good job. They've had a lot of money, 170 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: a lot of tax payer funding. They've never been able 171 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: to fix this problem. 172 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 4: Have they. 173 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: It's doubled under your watch. 174 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 4: You have more people on the streets. 175 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: Under your government. 176 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: That is exactly true. You canceled social housing builds and 177 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: the result is more people on our and now you're 178 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 3: going to shift them off into other people's suburbs, the 179 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: doorsteps of other neighborings. 180 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: Second of getting people out of emergency housing, we've had 181 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: great success. 182 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 4: And onto the streets. 183 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 3: You've taken them out of there. Do you reckon? 184 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 4: You reckon? 185 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: We held a poll and we probably should. This will 186 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: be a really interested you reckon which side of it? 187 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: What would the number be, Jenny, do you think we 188 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,679 Speaker 1: should move people on from downtown New Zealand? 189 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 4: Yes? Or no? 190 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: What do you reckon? 191 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 4: The number would be? 192 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: Well, I think a lot of people would want to 193 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: move them on because they don't have to deal with 194 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 3: the unpleasantness. But it doesn't fix the problem. And my 195 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: view is that doesn't is the responsibility the problem if 196 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: they're not getting and if. 197 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: They're not getting support the First Responders Bill, just like 198 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: you haven't supported any of the legislations we've bought it 199 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: this year. 200 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 4: That's making our country a safer place to live. This 201 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 4: will help fix the problem. 202 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: We will. 203 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: Make a prediction that we will not have people at 204 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: living on our streets six twelve months. Once this slation 205 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: comes in, it'll be talks. 206 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: Got to go, You guys appreciate it. Mark Mitchell, Ginny 207 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: Anderson back next week. That's quite good. For more from 208 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: the Mike Asking Breakfast, Listen live to news Talks it'd 209 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast on 210 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: out Radio.