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Speaker 1: So back to the gas crisis. We got to hinter

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Speaker 1: this on the show yesterday as the calls growth for

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Speaker 1: the government to do something to help business tackle the

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Speaker 1: price and lack of gas. So the Green Building Council

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Speaker 1: entered yesterday. They argue heat pumps might help. There are

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Speaker 1: potential savings for the country, they claim of one and

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Speaker 1: a half billion. Andrew Eagles is the CEO of the

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Speaker 1: Green Building councilors with us Andrew Morning Morning. So part

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Speaker 1: of you thinking is banning new connections and phasing out.

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Speaker 1: Do you do that on a climate argument or do

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Speaker 1: you because I just worry about the risk is if

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Speaker 1: we discovered more gas, we'd solve our problem, and we

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Speaker 1: don't know that isn't going to happen. Therefore, by banning

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Speaker 1: new connections, you might be biting yourself for the future years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that. I guess what we're seeing

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Speaker 2: is a hollowing out of New Zealand industry in jobs.

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Speaker 2: So at two hundred and thirty jobs, the biggest employer

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Speaker 2: we're a pay who one thousand staff, Winston staff at

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Speaker 2: Winston Polp skating down and then great businesses like Feridilizer provider.

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Speaker 2: In my great region of Paranaki at Capouni, scaling that

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Speaker 2: one hundred and sixteen people. So people are leaving job losses,

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Speaker 2: hollowing out communities because they just can't afford the gas.

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Speaker 2: And what we've got is an opportunity to potentially free

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Speaker 2: that up from a sector that doesn't actually need it,

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Speaker 2: so where we can move into electrifying homes and buildings,

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Speaker 2: you know, we can free that up for industry so

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Speaker 2: they have more certainty, more availability, and it's pretty sizable.

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Speaker 2: So if nothing changes, it's unlikely that we find something

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Speaker 2: in the next five years. Right, the average time ten

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Speaker 2: to sixteen years to find and then bring it on

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Speaker 2: for production. So if we look at that, by twenty thirty,

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Speaker 2: twenty six percent of all the gas we're using in

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Speaker 2: homes and buildings, and then by twenty thirty five it's

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Speaker 2: fifty percent. So our sector is just saying, look, it's

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Speaker 2: actually healthier, it's lower cost, and it's more efficient if

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Speaker 2: we don't use that, and that makes it available for industry,

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Speaker 2: keeping our jobs and government income receipts from texts and

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Speaker 2: keeping our communities alive. Right, we want to keep those jobs,

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Speaker 2: and we want to keep the exports in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: So that's an opportunity I think just putting your hand

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Speaker 2: up and saying we can contribute.

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Speaker 1: All right, good on you, Andrew appreciate it. We'll get

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Speaker 1: you back on another time for a longer discussion about this,

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Speaker 1: because of course the argument is that heat pump is

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Speaker 1: a cost, and running a heat pump is another cost,

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Speaker 1: and of course then you get to the business do

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Speaker 1: we have enough electricity on a cold winter's morning to

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Speaker 1: actually run them at all?

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