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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from US talks it by helping you get those DIY

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Speaker 1: projects done right. The Resident Builder with Peter wolf Camp

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Speaker 1: Call eight hundred eighteen eighteen US talk Sibby.

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Speaker 2: The house sizzle even when it's.

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Speaker 3: Dark, even when the grass is overgrown in the yard,

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Speaker 3: even when the dog is too old to bar, and

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Speaker 3: when you're sitting at the table trying to have to stop.

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Speaker 2: Scissor hole, even when we again, even when you're therellone,

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Speaker 2: house sizzle Wolf even when they go.

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Speaker 4: Even when you go around funnel one.

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Speaker 3: You love your moves, scream does broken pains, being in

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Speaker 3: fund locals vesperal when they're gone, leaving them.

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Speaker 2: Has even when.

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Speaker 3: Wilbra Ben, even when you're theirlone.

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Speaker 5: Years and a very very good morning and a warm

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Speaker 5: welcome to the Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me,

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Speaker 5: Peter wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, and this is an

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Speaker 5: opportunity to talk all things building, construction, repairs, maintenance, new ideas,

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Speaker 5: subcontractors and subcontractor, wrangling contracts, legislation, rules and regulations, all

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Speaker 5: of the things that go along with maybe owning a house,

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Speaker 5: living in house, looking after a house doing the maintenance,

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Speaker 5: and I had a little bit of that myself this week,

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Speaker 5: where continuing to work away on this little project. There

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Speaker 5: was a little bit of rot, I thought in one

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Speaker 5: of the posts that's holding up the verandah. I had

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Speaker 5: a bit of a fossic around with the putty knife,

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Speaker 5: could put that, you know, sort of fetch that out

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Speaker 5: and maybe fetching a new piece of timber, screw it together.

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Speaker 5: It's still going to be strong enough, et cetera. Or

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Speaker 5: when the putty knife went from one side of the

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Speaker 5: hundred mill posts to the other straight through the guts

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Speaker 5: of it, basically I thought, yeah, maybe not by the

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Speaker 5: time I fart around and cut that piece out and

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Speaker 5: do a couple of half houses and all the rest

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Speaker 5: of it. Shall I just go down and buy a

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Speaker 5: new post, which I did, But of course it's not

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Speaker 5: just a new post. It's a post that's got fluting

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Speaker 5: on it. So a forty five degree bevil on the

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Speaker 5: lower section, then a blank, then another section, and then

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Speaker 5: another blank and then another section. So a little bit

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Speaker 5: of time with a router and chisel and primers and

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Speaker 5: so on, and anyway it's done. It's on my bench.

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Speaker 5: I finished about six o'clock last night, I think, and well,

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Speaker 5: I don't think i'll work on it today, but Monday

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Speaker 5: looks like a good day and I'll get on to

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Speaker 5: that project. So, if you've got a project that you

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Speaker 5: would like to talk about all some questions of a

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Speaker 5: building nature, the lines are open. The number to call

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Speaker 5: is eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can text as well,

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Speaker 5: it's nine to nine two. And if you would like

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Speaker 5: to send me an email, like if you so for

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Speaker 5: example with the text. I know we're used to texting

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Speaker 5: pictures to each other that pictures don't work on the

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Speaker 5: text here at news Talks heed b. If you'd like

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Speaker 5: to send me a photograph of something that you have

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Speaker 5: some questions about, then you need to email that and

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Speaker 5: that is Pete at newstalksb dot co dot n said, So,

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Speaker 5: Pete at Newstalks, heb dot co dot n said, I

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Speaker 5: trust you've had a good week, maybe a productive week.

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Speaker 5: I had a number of sort of comments to me

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Speaker 5: definitely reach out again, maybe in a couple of months

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Speaker 5: bit more. To be fair, I had a whole heap

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Speaker 5: but it'd be great if you had an opportunity to

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Speaker 5: talk to him as well. So leave that with me.

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Speaker 5: We'll get that organized. Speaking of leave it with me too,

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Speaker 5: the other day, two weeks ago on the show, someone

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Speaker 5: rang and was interested in a property that had, as

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Speaker 5: they describe it, a defective title. So it was a

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Speaker 5: cross lea's property where perhaps some changes had been made

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Speaker 5: And it's something I know a little bit about, but

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Speaker 5: I thought, yeah, let's reach out to to someone who

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Speaker 5: And if you recall, a couple of months ago, we

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Speaker 5: after eight o'clock this morning to talk specifically about cross leases.

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Speaker 5: When I spoke to him last week to organize the time,

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Speaker 5: he said, oh, look, I've actually just done a presentation

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Speaker 5: cross leases. So what is a cross lease? We might

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Speaker 5: start there. Where did they come from? Like how are

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Speaker 5: unit title and those sorts of things. So what's a

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Speaker 5: cross lease? How do they operate? And what happens when

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Speaker 5: one is called a defective cross lease? And then how

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Speaker 5: do you go about fixing it? If you're interested in

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Speaker 5: the property that might have a defective title or defective

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Speaker 5: title in terms of the cross LEAs, what is the remedy.

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Speaker 5: So we'll talk about all of that with Ben after

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Speaker 5: eight o'clock this morning, But right now it is your

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Speaker 5: opportunity to call to chat to talk about all things

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Speaker 5: building and construction. And it might be around new products

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Speaker 5: be well, it might be a little bit topical. I

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Speaker 5: was going to mention this after seven o'clock, but I'll

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Speaker 5: throw it out there now, as is my want. Often

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Speaker 5: when I sort of get up, I go online, I

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Speaker 5: check out the couple of local news stories, and the

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Speaker 5: one that I stumbled upon yesterday was front page, as

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Speaker 5: it turns out, of the print edition of the Herald,

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Speaker 5: about double glazing, particularly double glazing with regard to heritage properties,

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Speaker 5: and the headline was something along the lines of council

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Speaker 5: demand viller owner removes double glazing because it contravenes something

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Speaker 5: in the resource consent. There's a little bit more to

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Speaker 5: you may here to comment. I'd be interested in your

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Speaker 5: as well. But right now we should talk all things

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Speaker 5: building construction. The lines are open, The opportunity is yours.

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Speaker 5: Any questions that you might have around repairs, maintenance, new builds, products, regulations,

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Speaker 5: dealing with subcontractors. I might even have a bit of

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Speaker 5: fourteen minutes after six, back after the break.

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Speaker 1: Meat it twice, God was But maybe call Pete first

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Speaker 1: video walcav the resident builder News Talks.

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Speaker 5: He'd be your news Talks, he'd be We're talking all

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Speaker 5: things building and construction. It is seventeen minutes after six,

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Speaker 5: and a very good morning to you, Bob.

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Speaker 6: Yes, good morning, Peter, Hey Bob. I wonder if you

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Speaker 6: can help me. I'm having some painting at my home

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Speaker 6: and outside I've got a little decorative wall. It's a

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Speaker 6: There's a course of bricks that have broke, basically broken away,

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Speaker 6: and they still there, still three bricks, and there's still

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 6: Is there any way that rather than cleaning them all

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Speaker 6: up and having a remortaring them, is there any adhesive

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Speaker 6: that I could stick it back to the wall.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 5: Yes there is. And it's one of those things that

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Speaker 5: I'll suggest a brand because I've used it, and I've

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Speaker 5: actually used it for almost identical sort of circumstances. Some

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Speaker 5: years ago, I was backing a trailer down a driveway

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Speaker 5: and so I took a chunk out and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 5: what do I do now? And I use some fix Al.

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Speaker 5: So it's a hold fast sud Old product called fix All,

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Speaker 5: and I had some in the back of the truck.

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Speaker 5: I'd used it for a while. I put a little

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Speaker 5: seventeen or eighteen years later, it's still there. It's still

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Speaker 5: holding tight. So yeah, I think if you get something

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Speaker 5: like fix All that would probably hold it in place.

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Speaker 6: It's no way it's it's just a decorative end cap.

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Speaker 6: And so that sounds so fix All and I'll just

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Speaker 6: get that at any hard way I take it, will I.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you probably need to go some of the biggest stores,

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Speaker 5: but yeah, I think they're in most stores.

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Speaker 6: Oh thanks for that, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 5: Take care.

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Speaker 6: Just clean it up.

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Speaker 5: I mean I can clean it up, make sure there's

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Speaker 6: Is it a fairly sick type store.

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Speaker 5: It's it's in a cartridge, so you'll need a corking

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Speaker 5: gun as well. You know you're extrude yep, okay, so

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Speaker 5: just extrude out of a corking gun.

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Speaker 6: Okay, okay, another mix along the top. I've been cleaning

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Speaker 6: it because there's some the beenpen many twenty nine years old, yes,

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Speaker 6: and along the top of some of the mortar has

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Speaker 6: it all up. Would that sort of a thing?

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Speaker 5: No, Well, you could try and repoint at using this,

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Speaker 5: but it won't be a nice look. While you're in

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Speaker 5: of like powders and pre mixes that you can use

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Speaker 5: for grout repair and for mortar repair. So there'll be

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Speaker 5: either products by Seeker or who else does it? I

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Speaker 5: think even Sally's do one. There's a couple of different companies.

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Speaker 5: It'll be like a dry powder that you can mix up,

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Speaker 5: make into a little paste and use that to tidy

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Speaker 6: Oh look great, it's a little bob and what did

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Speaker 6: you call it?

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Speaker 7: Do you called it?

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Speaker 5: This one by Seeker? If you go into the sort

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Speaker 5: of masonry section, so where they where they've got cements

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Speaker 5: and those sorts of things. They'll often have those powders

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Speaker 6: Good all right, you.

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Speaker 5: Take care, take care or I wait one hundred and

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Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty then number to call Michelle. A very

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Speaker 5: good morning to you.

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Speaker 8: Good morning, How are you very well?

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Speaker 5: How can I help?

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Speaker 9: Hey?

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Speaker 8: I have a question? Can you please tell me about

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Speaker 8: the difference between a freehold title and unit title and

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Speaker 8: what to be a with when you're purchasing.

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Speaker 5: I I'm not going to offer up an opinion because

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Speaker 5: I think it's really important that you know these sorts

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Speaker 5: of things are right. So in this instance, what is

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Speaker 8: So currently have a free We've got a couple of homes,

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Speaker 8: and I'm a freehold title and another one we're just

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Speaker 8: But I'm just curious as to what makes a unit title.

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Speaker 5: And particularly with unit titles, you might find let's say

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Speaker 5: of that property. There is also freehold but subject to parcel,

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Speaker 5: which is a way of saying you own this piece

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Speaker 5: we think it's two hundred square meters, but it might

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Speaker 5: effectively you've given you lease your land to your neighbor

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Speaker 5: cross least part of it. But the unit title one, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: my understanding is in terms of borrowing, it's slightly more

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Speaker 8: Yes, okay. Would it be fair to say so that

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Speaker 5: I don't know whether i'd say that most do. Certainly

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Speaker 8: So that would be very potentially be depending on your neighbor.

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Speaker 8: And that's where a body corporate comes in quite good

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean if you drive around and like that,

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Speaker 5: you know, I've certainly been, you know, think about sort

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Speaker 5: And I've either been to look at one or something

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Speaker 5: that's that might be the advantage from my own experience,

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Speaker 5: I have no experience of body corporates in terms of

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, that's awesome, or I thank you for clarifying that.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully that's reasonably clear. But the unit title is multiple

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Speaker 5: take care, Michelle, Bob think oh eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 10: You know?

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Speaker 5: Mental out of the call that we had last week,

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Speaker 5: Is that too high? We can talk about all of

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Speaker 5: this with Ben Thompson, who is a lawyer specializing in this,

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Speaker 5: after eight o'clock this morning. If you've got a specific question,

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Speaker 5: and I'll put those two to Ben after eight o'clock

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Speaker 5: this morning as well. Twenty nine minutes after six we

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Speaker 1: The break doing of the house, extorting the guard and

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Speaker 1: asks Pete for a hand the resident builder with Peter

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Speaker 1: Wolfcap call oh eight eighty News TALKSB.

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Speaker 5: US TALKSB indeed and we are talking all things building

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Speaker 7: Yes you're talking about this double glazing. It's not the

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Speaker 7: the frame, the way it looks. Yeah, we've got one

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Speaker 7: the double sided tape they've used to adhes adhere to

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Speaker 6: It's not.

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Speaker 7: They've got to do a little bit more research on that.

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Speaker 7: What they use to stick a plastic molding to an

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Speaker 7: it gets all right, and they have a habit of

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Speaker 5: So let's because I think, you know, that's.

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Speaker 7: All that needs with that. One was in the paper

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Speaker 5: I agree with you.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's it's it's a flat frame where it

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Speaker 5: Yeah, on that point, I agree with you. I think,

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Speaker 5: just just to be really clear, because I think this

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Speaker 5: what you're describing is not double glazing. It's what we

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Speaker 7: Something double glazed window.

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Speaker 5: No it's not.

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Speaker 7: Oh the one on the paper wasn't.

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Speaker 5: The one in the paper used double glazed units and

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Speaker 5: the front of an existing window is not double glazing.

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Speaker 5: That's called secondary glaze.

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Speaker 7: Nothing to do with the double glazing. It's the shape

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Speaker 5: I understand.

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Speaker 7: I think we're a cross.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but yes, you're you're right. I think that

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Speaker 5: the headline as it appeared, suggested that council have a

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Speaker 5: with double glazing in terms of heritage houses or any

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Speaker 5: insert joinery, and then in that aluminum joinery was some

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I say, we only have hair to make it

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Speaker 10: Yes, that's not sticking.

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Speaker 7: It's just I don't know what the solution is there.

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Speaker 7: The owner has said them back twice. Now he's thinking

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Speaker 7: making something out of wood or something very similar rather

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Speaker 7: bearing a mind of course. Now it's oxidizing. It's going

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Speaker 7: a piece of extruded plastic but just got double sort

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Speaker 5: Again, I want to emphasize the fact that what you're

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Speaker 10: It is.

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Speaker 5: There is an effectiveness to it. But let's not be

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Speaker 5: frienk should just install double glazing. If it's into existing

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Speaker 5: in your comments everyone's comments on the article yesterday in

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Speaker 5: environmental best practice. And while that is true, double glazing

435
00:25:01,855 --> 00:25:04,855
Speaker 5: is more effective in terms of thermal performance than single glazing,

436
00:25:05,895 --> 00:25:10,015
Speaker 5: EM does not perform as well as timber if it's

437
00:25:10,335 --> 00:25:15,455
Speaker 5: standard aluminum jewinery. So in fact, what you've gained in

438
00:25:15,495 --> 00:25:18,455
Speaker 5: one sense in this particular instance, you've lost in another

439
00:25:18,615 --> 00:25:23,135
Speaker 5: by using a frame that is less thermally effective than

440
00:25:23,175 --> 00:25:26,095
Speaker 5: what you had there in the original one. And from

441
00:25:26,135 --> 00:25:30,295
Speaker 5: a heritage point of view, and given that I look

442
00:25:30,335 --> 00:25:32,935
Speaker 5: to be fair, I saw that article yesterday when I

443
00:25:33,015 --> 00:25:35,415
Speaker 5: got up, I got online, I read the papers online

444
00:25:35,415 --> 00:25:37,655
Speaker 5: in the morning, and then I got the paper out

445
00:25:37,695 --> 00:25:39,415
Speaker 5: of the letterbox and opened it up and there's the

446
00:25:39,415 --> 00:25:42,415
Speaker 5: front page spread talking about council have a problem with

447
00:25:42,455 --> 00:25:46,575
Speaker 5: double glazing, and I thought, no, that's not actually the

448
00:25:46,575 --> 00:25:50,015
Speaker 5: problem the problem is the aluminium jowinery. Anyway, you may

449
00:25:50,055 --> 00:25:52,415
Speaker 5: care to comic oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

450
00:25:52,495 --> 00:25:55,575
Speaker 5: the number to call Christine the same.

451
00:25:57,415 --> 00:25:59,775
Speaker 9: I just wonder if you get help with this I have.

452
00:26:00,255 --> 00:26:02,775
Speaker 9: I think it's called a soak away pet or some

453
00:26:02,975 --> 00:26:06,615
Speaker 9: pat a hole in the ground. Now I live five

454
00:26:06,695 --> 00:26:11,735
Speaker 9: minutes from the town center. Now my neighbors they don't

455
00:26:11,775 --> 00:26:14,375
Speaker 9: have a hole in the ground. But the point is

456
00:26:15,375 --> 00:26:20,335
Speaker 9: I am paying a plumber basically every time it rains

457
00:26:20,815 --> 00:26:25,175
Speaker 9: to plunge, to plunge from the hole in the ground

458
00:26:25,215 --> 00:26:28,695
Speaker 9: under the gates out to the garter. Just recently he's

459
00:26:28,775 --> 00:26:34,335
Speaker 9: chosed me five hundred to take sediments sediment out of

460
00:26:34,375 --> 00:26:38,455
Speaker 9: the stormwater pipes. But I mean, I've already had to

461
00:26:38,495 --> 00:26:43,775
Speaker 9: pay previously. This is a problem. So I was just wondering,

462
00:26:44,375 --> 00:26:47,215
Speaker 9: how can I be connected? Why isn't it ridiculous that

463
00:26:47,295 --> 00:26:49,215
Speaker 9: I still have a hole in the ground. Is there

464
00:26:49,295 --> 00:26:52,775
Speaker 9: ridiculous that I live five minutes from the town center,

465
00:26:53,615 --> 00:26:57,255
Speaker 9: don't you think an't haven't we modernized with these holes

466
00:26:57,295 --> 00:26:57,815
Speaker 9: in the ground.

467
00:27:00,015 --> 00:27:03,735
Speaker 5: Yes, although saying that I've done properties in the last

468
00:27:03,735 --> 00:27:08,055
Speaker 5: ten fifteen years where that's been an accept solution in

469
00:27:08,175 --> 00:27:11,655
Speaker 5: terms of soakage. Right, So control of stormwater is the

470
00:27:11,775 --> 00:27:15,175
Speaker 5: responsibility of the homeowner. So you're the homeowner. I presume

471
00:27:15,535 --> 00:27:19,615
Speaker 5: therefore you are responsible for stormwater discharge on your property.

472
00:27:20,055 --> 00:27:23,295
Speaker 5: If you've got a soakage pit that was built, let's

473
00:27:23,295 --> 00:27:26,495
Speaker 5: say twenty or thirty years ago, fifty years ago, it

474
00:27:26,575 --> 00:27:29,935
Speaker 5: won't be working anymore, right, it just won't work. And

475
00:27:29,975 --> 00:27:33,575
Speaker 5: the reason it won't work is that when they so

476
00:27:34,175 --> 00:27:38,095
Speaker 5: in its most basic form, dig a hole in the ground, right,

477
00:27:38,135 --> 00:27:41,695
Speaker 5: take all the soil out, put in some scoria, and

478
00:27:41,775 --> 00:27:45,815
Speaker 5: poke your drainage pipe into it and put soil on top. Now,

479
00:27:45,855 --> 00:27:48,215
Speaker 5: if that's what they did fifty years ago, which is

480
00:27:48,215 --> 00:27:50,735
Speaker 5: probably what they did, what would have happened in the

481
00:27:50,775 --> 00:27:54,615
Speaker 5: intervening fifty years is that sediment would have infiltrated all

482
00:27:54,655 --> 00:27:57,335
Speaker 5: of the gaps in there. So instead of it being

483
00:27:57,495 --> 00:28:00,815
Speaker 5: avoid or having voids in it that allow the stormwater

484
00:28:00,935 --> 00:28:03,975
Speaker 5: to rush in there and then filter into the ground,

485
00:28:04,295 --> 00:28:06,095
Speaker 5: it's going to hit the end of the pipe and

486
00:28:06,415 --> 00:28:08,095
Speaker 5: it's going to stop right, and then it's going to

487
00:28:08,135 --> 00:28:10,615
Speaker 5: back out and overflow where you down pipes come in.

488
00:28:11,135 --> 00:28:15,535
Speaker 5: So one, you know, to be fair, the plumber should

489
00:28:15,535 --> 00:28:17,535
Speaker 5: have told you that right, there's no point in cleaning

490
00:28:17,575 --> 00:28:19,815
Speaker 5: the pipes out if they just run into a blockage

491
00:28:19,815 --> 00:28:22,895
Speaker 5: at the end. A couple of alternatives for you. One

492
00:28:22,935 --> 00:28:26,215
Speaker 5: is that you get a drain layer in who excavates

493
00:28:26,255 --> 00:28:31,975
Speaker 5: out the old soakage pit, removes everything, puts in some

494
00:28:32,175 --> 00:28:37,775
Speaker 5: gea textile cloth which stops fine material filtering into those voids.

495
00:28:38,175 --> 00:28:40,375
Speaker 5: You line the pit with that, You put in some

496
00:28:40,815 --> 00:28:44,215
Speaker 5: drainage material, you fold the filter cloth over the top again,

497
00:28:44,535 --> 00:28:48,535
Speaker 5: and then you backfill. Now that will work for the

498
00:28:48,615 --> 00:28:51,575
Speaker 5: next twenty or thirty years if you do that well.

499
00:28:52,255 --> 00:28:55,255
Speaker 5: The other option is your comment about being close to

500
00:28:55,415 --> 00:28:58,815
Speaker 5: the township, is that you could go to council and

501
00:28:59,015 --> 00:29:04,615
Speaker 5: see where the nearest stormwater connection is, and then you

502
00:29:04,655 --> 00:29:09,495
Speaker 5: could extend your line, your pipework and make an application

503
00:29:09,615 --> 00:29:13,335
Speaker 5: to council to join the council stormwater. Now, if that's

504
00:29:13,695 --> 00:29:16,815
Speaker 5: if the council line runs through your property, that might

505
00:29:16,855 --> 00:29:19,375
Speaker 5: be a little bit easier. If the council line is

506
00:29:19,495 --> 00:29:22,655
Speaker 5: outside of your property, maybe in a neighbor's property, then

507
00:29:22,695 --> 00:29:24,895
Speaker 5: you would need to seek permission from the neighbor to

508
00:29:25,095 --> 00:29:27,735
Speaker 5: enter their property in order to do that connection. The

509
00:29:27,775 --> 00:29:30,255
Speaker 5: work needs to be done by registered and licensed train

510
00:29:30,375 --> 00:29:32,695
Speaker 5: layer and you probably need to make an application to

511
00:29:32,775 --> 00:29:36,815
Speaker 5: council for a connection. But that would be a long

512
00:29:36,895 --> 00:29:39,335
Speaker 5: term solution, yeah.

513
00:29:39,295 --> 00:29:42,095
Speaker 9: Because otherwise I'm paying the prime every time it rains,

514
00:29:42,535 --> 00:29:45,815
Speaker 9: and the canceled trees they're not on my property, they're

515
00:29:45,815 --> 00:29:48,455
Speaker 9: on the neighbor's property. And he doesn't pick up the rubbish,

516
00:29:48,615 --> 00:29:52,335
Speaker 9: the rubbish floats down, my gaffer gets blocked to where

517
00:29:52,335 --> 00:29:55,055
Speaker 9: the road goes over the gaffa and my son polls

518
00:29:55,135 --> 00:29:57,615
Speaker 9: right there, is that anything or not?

519
00:29:58,175 --> 00:30:00,695
Speaker 5: No? I mean all you could ask, all you can

520
00:30:00,735 --> 00:30:03,775
Speaker 5: do there is you have a right as a homeowner

521
00:30:04,175 --> 00:30:08,855
Speaker 5: to trim the neighbour's trees to the boun and if

522
00:30:09,935 --> 00:30:12,895
Speaker 5: you know, if the wind blows your nigh the leaves

523
00:30:12,895 --> 00:30:16,295
Speaker 5: from your neighbor's tree, excuse me, into your spouting, then

524
00:30:16,455 --> 00:30:18,975
Speaker 5: you're just going to have to do something about protecting

525
00:30:18,975 --> 00:30:21,055
Speaker 5: the spouting and making sure it doesn't block up.

526
00:30:22,135 --> 00:30:26,335
Speaker 9: And I don't know what these solutions you've given. How

527
00:30:26,375 --> 00:30:29,775
Speaker 9: expensive are these solutions, I'm not worrich. How expensive are.

528
00:30:29,615 --> 00:30:35,535
Speaker 5: They look everything will start in the thousands.

529
00:30:37,415 --> 00:30:39,135
Speaker 9: Okay, So what's the other option?

530
00:30:41,055 --> 00:30:45,495
Speaker 5: I would suggest that you're that probably the lowest cost

531
00:30:45,575 --> 00:30:49,015
Speaker 5: option will be to you know, get a drain layer

532
00:30:49,015 --> 00:30:54,935
Speaker 5: who knows what they're talking about to come and determine. Ideally,

533
00:30:54,975 --> 00:30:58,655
Speaker 5: you should be able to send a video down so

534
00:30:58,695 --> 00:31:02,295
Speaker 5: you can see what the existing stormwader line looks like. Right.

535
00:31:02,335 --> 00:31:04,575
Speaker 5: If it's blocked up right to where your downpipes are,

536
00:31:04,615 --> 00:31:07,615
Speaker 5: then you'll need to either clean that or have that replaced,

537
00:31:07,615 --> 00:31:10,775
Speaker 5: which will start to get a bit expensive. But look,

538
00:31:10,855 --> 00:31:13,495
Speaker 5: I think that if you get a drain layer who

539
00:31:13,895 --> 00:31:18,615
Speaker 5: could come and open up your existing soakage pit redo

540
00:31:18,655 --> 00:31:22,615
Speaker 5: it to modern standards, which this is where the geotextile

541
00:31:22,695 --> 00:31:26,655
Speaker 5: cloth or the filter cloth is really important, that that

542
00:31:26,735 --> 00:31:29,255
Speaker 5: will work fine for you for as long as you

543
00:31:29,295 --> 00:31:29,935
Speaker 5: need it to work.

544
00:31:31,375 --> 00:31:34,975
Speaker 9: But that and the money, all of that, well.

545
00:31:34,815 --> 00:31:36,775
Speaker 5: You know someone's going to turn up with a couple

546
00:31:36,775 --> 00:31:39,095
Speaker 5: of guys. They're probably going to bring a truck with

547
00:31:39,135 --> 00:31:41,415
Speaker 5: a digger. They're going to have to what they take out,

548
00:31:41,455 --> 00:31:44,255
Speaker 5: they'll have to take away to the to a tip site.

549
00:31:44,575 --> 00:31:46,855
Speaker 5: Then they'll need to bring in scoria, then need to

550
00:31:46,855 --> 00:31:51,615
Speaker 5: bring in filter cloth. They're probably could you, i mean,

551
00:31:51,655 --> 00:31:55,015
Speaker 5: depending on the size and ease of access, two men

552
00:31:55,135 --> 00:31:58,215
Speaker 5: for a day maybe to do it. You know, it's

553
00:31:58,255 --> 00:31:59,575
Speaker 5: it's still going to be a couple.

554
00:31:59,335 --> 00:32:04,175
Speaker 4: Of grand to do it, okay, right, and I.

555
00:32:04,135 --> 00:32:06,535
Speaker 5: Mean without seeing it, it's pretty difficult for me to

556
00:32:06,535 --> 00:32:07,775
Speaker 5: to give you an estimate.

557
00:32:08,815 --> 00:32:10,015
Speaker 9: I should have a drain layer.

558
00:32:10,055 --> 00:32:12,975
Speaker 5: Just have a lot, yeah, and get a drain layer

559
00:32:12,975 --> 00:32:17,655
Speaker 5: who It sounds like the plumber is just focused on

560
00:32:17,775 --> 00:32:20,055
Speaker 5: what happens to the pipework right and is not thinking

561
00:32:20,055 --> 00:32:25,455
Speaker 5: about where the storm water goes. So in this instance

562
00:32:25,535 --> 00:32:28,775
Speaker 5: it's probably a drain layer's job. They do the video

563
00:32:28,855 --> 00:32:31,855
Speaker 5: survey first just to determine that whether or not the

564
00:32:31,895 --> 00:32:34,935
Speaker 5: pipe work's working, because there's no point in opening up

565
00:32:34,935 --> 00:32:38,055
Speaker 5: the cat in the soakage pat if the water is

566
00:32:38,095 --> 00:32:39,935
Speaker 5: not going to get to it right because of a

567
00:32:39,935 --> 00:32:44,375
Speaker 5: block pipe. So do the soakage pit after you've determined

568
00:32:44,415 --> 00:32:47,975
Speaker 5: that the pipes are working properly. And the soakage pit

569
00:32:48,415 --> 00:32:50,855
Speaker 5: they work quite well if you do them properly.

570
00:32:53,495 --> 00:32:56,375
Speaker 9: Okay, okay, thank you very much.

571
00:32:57,095 --> 00:33:00,775
Speaker 5: All the best, bye bye. It does emphasize the fact

572
00:33:00,775 --> 00:33:05,095
Speaker 5: that ultimately, if you are a property owner like I am,

573
00:33:05,215 --> 00:33:08,975
Speaker 5: like most people listening to the show probably are, you know,

574
00:33:09,095 --> 00:33:13,255
Speaker 5: you are responsible for stormwater on your property. It's as

575
00:33:13,255 --> 00:33:15,815
Speaker 5: simple as that. And yeah, if you've got a catch

576
00:33:15,855 --> 00:33:18,975
Speaker 5: pit that was or not a catchpit, sorry, a soakage

577
00:33:19,015 --> 00:33:23,735
Speaker 5: pit or a soakhol that was done twenty thirty, forty

578
00:33:23,855 --> 00:33:26,815
Speaker 5: fifty sixty years ago, and it was done in the

579
00:33:26,855 --> 00:33:29,655
Speaker 5: traditional manner, which has dig a hole, throw some scorier

580
00:33:29,735 --> 00:33:33,415
Speaker 5: in there, and then poke your stormwater pipe into that.

581
00:33:34,455 --> 00:33:38,095
Speaker 5: They fill up, they get fill of set, they fill

582
00:33:38,175 --> 00:33:41,735
Speaker 5: with sediment because there's nothing stopping the fines from infiltrating

583
00:33:41,815 --> 00:33:45,175
Speaker 5: all of those gaps around the scorer. I've seen them

584
00:33:45,215 --> 00:33:49,535
Speaker 5: with old bricks and things like that. So the only solution,

585
00:33:49,615 --> 00:33:51,455
Speaker 5: as far as I'm concerned, I'm happy to take a

586
00:33:51,455 --> 00:33:53,455
Speaker 5: call from a drain layer, is you've got to dig it, out,

587
00:33:54,415 --> 00:33:58,975
Speaker 5: line the pit with filter cloth, fill it full of scoria.

588
00:33:59,175 --> 00:34:01,815
Speaker 5: I often put in some drainage coil in there just

589
00:34:01,855 --> 00:34:05,255
Speaker 5: to create some volume that's not going to be compressed,

590
00:34:06,455 --> 00:34:09,375
Speaker 5: and then take that filter cloth up, wrap it over

591
00:34:09,455 --> 00:34:13,175
Speaker 5: the top, and then you can put top soil over that.

592
00:34:13,255 --> 00:34:16,815
Speaker 5: But what it means is that the fines the sediment

593
00:34:17,255 --> 00:34:19,975
Speaker 5: doesn't filter in and fill up all of those voids,

594
00:34:20,015 --> 00:34:23,135
Speaker 5: and you need those voids in order to cope with

595
00:34:23,175 --> 00:34:25,415
Speaker 5: the storm water. That's how they work. And when you

596
00:34:25,455 --> 00:34:29,175
Speaker 5: do them well, they are remarkably effective. Oh, eight hundred

597
00:34:29,255 --> 00:34:32,495
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty is the number. It is six forty six. Well,

598
00:34:32,575 --> 00:34:35,655
Speaker 5: let's call it six forty seven. Actually, we'll be back

599
00:34:35,695 --> 00:34:36,335
Speaker 5: after the break.

600
00:34:36,455 --> 00:34:39,335
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with feds, or wondering

601
00:34:39,375 --> 00:34:41,495
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall. Give a feeder,

602
00:34:41,535 --> 00:34:46,095
Speaker 1: wolf gap, call on eighty the resident builder on Youth

603
00:34:46,135 --> 00:34:46,735
Speaker 1: dogs'd be.

604
00:34:48,335 --> 00:34:50,895
Speaker 5: Your news dogs, he'd be. If you've got a building question,

605
00:34:51,135 --> 00:34:53,135
Speaker 5: it can be about building, it can be about the

606
00:34:53,255 --> 00:34:56,215
Speaker 5: rules and the regulations. That's certainly but topical at the moment.

607
00:34:56,255 --> 00:34:59,695
Speaker 5: Based on the Herald article that appeared on the front

608
00:34:59,735 --> 00:35:02,215
Speaker 5: page to hold pretty much the whole front page yesterday

609
00:35:03,295 --> 00:35:08,175
Speaker 5: about a villa where the villa owners have made some

610
00:35:08,735 --> 00:35:10,895
Speaker 5: changes to the joinery at the front of the villa.

611
00:35:11,415 --> 00:35:13,855
Speaker 5: It's been brought to the attention of council, and council

612
00:35:13,975 --> 00:35:18,535
Speaker 5: have issued an abatement notice basically telling them to remove

613
00:35:18,615 --> 00:35:23,655
Speaker 5: what they've done, and I presume probably reinstate the original

614
00:35:23,775 --> 00:35:27,975
Speaker 5: joinery and so on. But the way in which it

615
00:35:28,095 --> 00:35:30,535
Speaker 5: was presented is that it was an issue that council

616
00:35:30,535 --> 00:35:33,495
Speaker 5: had an issue with double glazing. Can I say again

617
00:35:33,615 --> 00:35:38,175
Speaker 5: council have no issue with double glazing. What they had

618
00:35:38,175 --> 00:35:41,455
Speaker 5: an issue with is the substitution of timber frames with

619
00:35:41,575 --> 00:35:47,695
Speaker 5: aluminium frames in that particular street in a very well

620
00:35:47,735 --> 00:35:52,615
Speaker 5: known heritage area. So there might be some legs to

621
00:35:52,655 --> 00:35:54,655
Speaker 5: that story. I think this week, oh, eight hundred and

622
00:35:54,695 --> 00:35:57,615
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty is the number of call. Now someone's

623
00:35:57,655 --> 00:36:00,655
Speaker 5: text through and said stormwater responsibility goes beyond your property

624
00:36:00,695 --> 00:36:02,495
Speaker 5: as I understand it, to where it connects to the

625
00:36:02,535 --> 00:36:06,695
Speaker 5: main storm water which might be under the road beyond youry.

626
00:36:08,655 --> 00:36:11,695
Speaker 5: This could be a very busy road that requires traffic

627
00:36:11,735 --> 00:36:14,535
Speaker 5: management digging up the road, which is an unbelievable cost

628
00:36:14,575 --> 00:36:18,095
Speaker 5: in Auckland. How can this be council absolving itself of

629
00:36:18,135 --> 00:36:23,695
Speaker 5: its responsibility. There's probably a bit more to that story.

630
00:36:23,775 --> 00:36:26,935
Speaker 5: I don't disagree with you, and I've been involved with

631
00:36:27,055 --> 00:36:31,735
Speaker 5: developments whereby in order to connect to the public line,

632
00:36:31,815 --> 00:36:35,295
Speaker 5: it's meant, you know, going out into the street or

633
00:36:35,375 --> 00:36:38,295
Speaker 5: excavating across the road that it might be that the

634
00:36:38,335 --> 00:36:40,135
Speaker 5: storm what happens to be on the other side of

635
00:36:40,135 --> 00:36:42,135
Speaker 5: the road. Typically it's on both sides of the road,

636
00:36:42,255 --> 00:36:45,895
Speaker 5: or it runs through the rear of the section. Yes,

637
00:36:46,015 --> 00:36:52,135
Speaker 5: there is a lot of work that's involved there. Most

638
00:36:52,175 --> 00:36:57,335
Speaker 5: of the time, it's when you choose to develop the property.

639
00:36:57,655 --> 00:37:00,895
Speaker 5: In the instance we were just talking with Christine about

640
00:37:00,935 --> 00:37:08,015
Speaker 5: her existing property. Yes, if she if there's not a

641
00:37:08,055 --> 00:37:12,135
Speaker 5: public stormwater line on her property or nearby, then yes,

642
00:37:12,255 --> 00:37:15,855
Speaker 5: she may need she may want herself to go and

643
00:37:16,055 --> 00:37:21,215
Speaker 5: connect to it. I don't I'd stand corrected, but I'm

644
00:37:21,215 --> 00:37:24,095
Speaker 5: not aware of an instance where counsel would come to

645
00:37:24,175 --> 00:37:29,935
Speaker 5: a homeowner and demand that they connect to stormwater if

646
00:37:29,975 --> 00:37:34,095
Speaker 5: they weren't delivering the stormwater to the boundary. In effect,

647
00:37:34,215 --> 00:37:37,895
Speaker 5: unless you're developing, that's that's the really big you know,

648
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Speaker 5: that's the thing that would change it quite considerably. Happy

649
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Speaker 5: to take more calls and text on that. Also a

650
00:37:44,575 --> 00:37:47,095
Speaker 5: quick question that came in earlier this morning. Pete looking

651
00:37:47,175 --> 00:37:50,015
Speaker 5: at building a coastal garage. What are your thoughts of

652
00:37:50,175 --> 00:37:55,775
Speaker 5: steel frame versus wooden frame? So sorry, garage at beach

653
00:37:55,975 --> 00:37:58,535
Speaker 5: questions from Kylie, Well, hello, Kylie, thank you for texting.

654
00:38:00,855 --> 00:38:04,935
Speaker 5: Look my off the cuff remark would be in a

655
00:38:05,375 --> 00:38:08,615
Speaker 5: coastal environment. What we know is timber doesn't rust, so

656
00:38:08,815 --> 00:38:12,775
Speaker 5: there might well be an advantage to using timber for

657
00:38:12,855 --> 00:38:16,015
Speaker 5: the construction, particularly if it's exposed to windblow and salts

658
00:38:16,055 --> 00:38:17,615
Speaker 5: and that sort of thing. If you're lining both the

659
00:38:17,655 --> 00:38:21,415
Speaker 5: inside and the outside, and you can protect the steel framing,

660
00:38:21,455 --> 00:38:23,655
Speaker 5: and steel framing does have a galvanized coating on it,

661
00:38:25,255 --> 00:38:28,855
Speaker 5: you might find that you'll you know, it'll be okay. Oh,

662
00:38:28,935 --> 00:38:32,615
Speaker 5: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Hi,

663
00:38:32,655 --> 00:38:34,895
Speaker 5: grab the call. Yeah, well not, let's do that. Let's

664
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Speaker 5: walk quick call before the break, Dave, greetings to you.

665
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Hi, I live. I live on a high wind

666
00:38:42,455 --> 00:38:45,415
Speaker 12: zone on the coast. And one of my neighbors' houses

667
00:38:45,535 --> 00:38:47,975
Speaker 12: was built about twenty five years ago, and he's got

668
00:38:48,055 --> 00:38:53,015
Speaker 12: a reasonably low pitched roof with trimline profile iron so

669
00:38:53,095 --> 00:38:56,655
Speaker 12: it's got you know, the slight the up that's like corrugated.

670
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Speaker 12: It seems that the wind the building paper has deteriorated

671
00:39:01,495 --> 00:39:04,495
Speaker 12: over the years, and it seems that the wind is

672
00:39:04,575 --> 00:39:08,895
Speaker 12: driving the rain up and over the gutter and through

673
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Speaker 12: and it's rotting the boundary rafters behind the behind the bargeboard.

674
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Speaker 4: Yes, and I want to try and prevent.

675
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Speaker 12: That happening at my own place. I've got the same

676
00:39:22,335 --> 00:39:26,095
Speaker 12: trimline profile. I know I can buy that close out

677
00:39:26,255 --> 00:39:32,175
Speaker 12: foam profile foam to push in those voids. But I

678
00:39:32,295 --> 00:39:35,175
Speaker 12: wonder then about the roof has no you know, it's

679
00:39:35,295 --> 00:39:36,215
Speaker 12: nice to let air.

680
00:39:36,535 --> 00:39:39,215
Speaker 5: Yes, it restricts ventilation, doesn't it.

681
00:39:39,975 --> 00:39:44,935
Speaker 12: Yeah, so yeah, I've never I never realized that was

682
00:39:44,935 --> 00:39:50,935
Speaker 12: a problem. Wind can blow the rain over the gutter

683
00:39:51,375 --> 00:39:55,015
Speaker 12: and in that void, and it can actually once the

684
00:39:55,055 --> 00:39:58,175
Speaker 12: building paper is deteriorated, which that old tar paper seem

685
00:39:58,255 --> 00:40:02,775
Speaker 12: to do, it starts rotting the framing and behind there.

686
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Speaker 12: Have you seen that before?

687
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Speaker 5: I have to say, I know what you're talking about,

688
00:40:08,335 --> 00:40:11,855
Speaker 5: I haven't seen it, or if I have seen it,

689
00:40:11,855 --> 00:40:16,215
Speaker 5: it's not that common, right. Typically what happens because what

690
00:40:16,255 --> 00:40:19,055
Speaker 5: you're talking about there is the wind actually driving the

691
00:40:19,135 --> 00:40:22,775
Speaker 5: rain over an open space, right, which requires a lot

692
00:40:22,815 --> 00:40:24,855
Speaker 5: of rain and a lot of wind in order to

693
00:40:24,895 --> 00:40:29,375
Speaker 5: do that. Typically, what we see with wind driven or

694
00:40:29,735 --> 00:40:33,415
Speaker 5: wind born rain is that it will land on a

695
00:40:33,495 --> 00:40:36,575
Speaker 5: surface and then be pushed up and under a flashing,

696
00:40:36,735 --> 00:40:39,535
Speaker 5: And if the flashing is not sealed, the water sits

697
00:40:39,535 --> 00:40:43,415
Speaker 5: on the surface and is driven uphill by the wind.

698
00:40:43,535 --> 00:40:46,535
Speaker 5: And sometimes if they haven't turned the sheet up or

699
00:40:46,575 --> 00:40:51,935
Speaker 5: there's insufficient cover on the flashing, it'll travel up and

700
00:40:51,975 --> 00:40:54,415
Speaker 5: then come in and drain back down and that's what

701
00:40:54,615 --> 00:40:57,615
Speaker 5: causes the leaking. So the fact that the end of

702
00:40:57,655 --> 00:41:00,415
Speaker 5: the boards, I actually if you have a look, there's

703
00:41:00,455 --> 00:41:02,895
Speaker 5: some pictures online if you search for sort of roofing

704
00:41:02,975 --> 00:41:07,615
Speaker 5: detail around adding a flashing underneath the bottom edge, that

705
00:41:07,775 --> 00:41:11,175
Speaker 5: might help. So have a look for that year. That

706
00:41:11,255 --> 00:41:13,175
Speaker 5: actually makes quite a big difference, and that's why it's

707
00:41:13,215 --> 00:41:17,055
Speaker 5: often recorded required now in the building code. So have

708
00:41:17,055 --> 00:41:19,375
Speaker 5: a look at that in terms of best practice for roofing,

709
00:41:19,655 --> 00:41:22,415
Speaker 5: particularly on low pitch, squeaky.

710
00:41:22,015 --> 00:41:23,695
Speaker 4: Door or squeaky floor.

711
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Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder

712
00:41:27,415 --> 00:41:31,255
Speaker 1: on News talksbr.

713
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Speaker 5: The Talks heb we're talking all things building and construction

714
00:41:33,015 --> 00:41:37,335
Speaker 5: here on the show this morning. As it happens, we've

715
00:41:37,375 --> 00:41:40,855
Speaker 5: been doing this now for eleven years. I put a

716
00:41:40,935 --> 00:41:44,615
Speaker 5: date in Madari going Hey, just a quick reminder, first

717
00:41:45,055 --> 00:41:49,935
Speaker 5: show of this or the first episode, first showing, first

718
00:41:50,255 --> 00:41:54,735
Speaker 5: broadcast of the show, was exactly eleven years ago today.

719
00:41:55,975 --> 00:41:58,215
Speaker 5: So thanks for sticking with me, is all I can say.

720
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Speaker 5: Thank you very much. Oh eight one hundred and eighty

721
00:42:00,095 --> 00:42:03,335
Speaker 5: ten eighty is the number to call. We had a

722
00:42:03,335 --> 00:42:06,255
Speaker 5: brief comment earlier on and certainly, I was kind of

723
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Speaker 5: happy to discuss it. The headline in yesterday's Herald was

724
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Speaker 5: window ruling total idiocy. Stunned villa owner told new window

725
00:42:16,135 --> 00:42:21,255
Speaker 5: double glazing is against heritage rules. A Mount Eden villa

726
00:42:21,295 --> 00:42:24,935
Speaker 5: owner says it's total idioc that Auckland Council is demanding

727
00:42:24,975 --> 00:42:27,735
Speaker 5: they remove double glazed windows from their house to comply

728
00:42:27,815 --> 00:42:32,295
Speaker 5: with heritage rules, claiming the order is expensive and unnecessary.

729
00:42:32,775 --> 00:42:35,255
Speaker 5: The government is also seizing on the issue to show

730
00:42:35,255 --> 00:42:40,295
Speaker 5: why it believes that planning laws need to be relaxed. However,

731
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Speaker 5: Auckland Council and heritage protection groups say that the rules

732
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Speaker 5: are needed to preserve the city's beautiful historic homes before

733
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Speaker 5: they're lost forever. And then the article continues, it is

734
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Speaker 5: front page of the Herald yesterday. I have a small

735
00:42:53,735 --> 00:42:57,735
Speaker 5: issue with it. Council are not objecting to the double glazing,

736
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Speaker 5: so the headline stun villa owner told that new window

737
00:43:04,375 --> 00:43:10,455
Speaker 5: double glazing is against herisge rawls is only part of

738
00:43:10,455 --> 00:43:13,175
Speaker 5: the story. The issue that council might have in this

739
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Speaker 5: particular instance, because the house is in a very well

740
00:43:15,655 --> 00:43:20,855
Speaker 5: known heritage zone, is that the replacement of timber sashes

741
00:43:20,895 --> 00:43:26,335
Speaker 5: with aluminium is what council would be objecting to double glazing.

742
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Speaker 5: Council have no objection to double glazing villa windows. I've

743
00:43:30,975 --> 00:43:33,375
Speaker 5: done it on a number of projects over the years.

744
00:43:34,055 --> 00:43:37,455
Speaker 5: It can be done sympathetically, it can be done in

745
00:43:38,495 --> 00:43:42,535
Speaker 5: sympathy to the character of the home, and council have

746
00:43:42,655 --> 00:43:45,535
Speaker 5: no objection to that. So it's not the double glazing,

747
00:43:45,655 --> 00:43:48,175
Speaker 5: it's the aluminium frames. Maybe you'd like to make a comment.

748
00:43:48,375 --> 00:43:50,695
Speaker 5: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

749
00:43:50,735 --> 00:43:54,015
Speaker 5: call A couple of quick texts as well. Hey Pete

750
00:43:54,135 --> 00:43:56,535
Speaker 5: a few years ago. A few weeks ago you mentioned

751
00:43:56,575 --> 00:43:59,335
Speaker 5: a place down south that does wood fires, good quality ones.

752
00:43:59,615 --> 00:44:02,255
Speaker 5: I live in a home built in the early nineteen hundreds.

753
00:44:02,575 --> 00:44:04,655
Speaker 5: I've got a fireplace in the kitchen, but it's now

754
00:44:04,695 --> 00:44:07,095
Speaker 5: not fit for purpose. So I'm looking for a fireplace

755
00:44:07,135 --> 00:44:09,775
Speaker 5: that looks a bit old worldy for my kitchen to

756
00:44:09,895 --> 00:44:12,095
Speaker 5: replace that one needs to warm my home. It's not

757
00:44:12,335 --> 00:44:18,455
Speaker 5: just for locks. Thanks from Michelle. The company that I

758
00:44:18,535 --> 00:44:21,695
Speaker 5: was talking about, and I've known about and worked with

759
00:44:21,735 --> 00:44:23,855
Speaker 5: them over the years, but I actually had the opportunity

760
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Speaker 5: to go and visit earlier this year is a sea

761
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Speaker 5: which is ees ce A. They are based in Dunedin

762
00:44:32,815 --> 00:44:37,415
Speaker 5: or just outside of the Dunedin CBD. And yeah, they

763
00:44:37,455 --> 00:44:42,495
Speaker 5: will do fireplaces that will retro fit into your existing fireplace,

764
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Speaker 5: so you've got options for wood, for gas, or even

765
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Speaker 5: for electric. They are not old ye worldy in your

766
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Speaker 5: you know, they are a modern looking fireplace, but they

767
00:44:57,895 --> 00:45:02,655
Speaker 5: are super effective, So have a look. Ces ce A

768
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Speaker 5: is the one starting to get a couple of questions

769
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Speaker 5: with regard to cross leases and the notion of having

770
00:45:10,055 --> 00:45:13,895
Speaker 5: a cross lease title that might be defective. What does

771
00:45:13,935 --> 00:45:15,615
Speaker 5: that mean? Well, we're going to get an expert on

772
00:45:15,655 --> 00:45:17,615
Speaker 5: the show in an hour's time, so just after eight

773
00:45:17,615 --> 00:45:23,495
Speaker 5: o'clock Ben Thompson, who is a property lawyer and actually

774
00:45:23,895 --> 00:45:26,495
Speaker 5: is pretty much an expert in the field of cross

775
00:45:26,575 --> 00:45:30,215
Speaker 5: leases as an you know, addresses and speaks and presents

776
00:45:30,255 --> 00:45:32,855
Speaker 5: to the Law Society on these sorts of issues. So

777
00:45:33,495 --> 00:45:36,615
Speaker 5: Ben is going to join us after eight o'clock this morning.

778
00:45:36,815 --> 00:45:40,335
Speaker 5: If you've got any specific questions about cross leases and

779
00:45:40,375 --> 00:45:44,215
Speaker 5: cross lease titles and this notion of you know, hey,

780
00:45:44,215 --> 00:45:48,495
Speaker 5: what's a defective title, we can talk about that on

781
00:45:48,575 --> 00:45:51,135
Speaker 5: the show this or you can ask questions send them

782
00:45:51,175 --> 00:45:54,335
Speaker 5: through as a text and I'll put those two ben

783
00:45:54,455 --> 00:45:58,735
Speaker 5: after aida clock another text. Any thoughts on skylights versus

784
00:45:58,775 --> 00:46:01,215
Speaker 5: sola tubes for the interior we want to bring more

785
00:46:01,335 --> 00:46:05,975
Speaker 5: natural lighting. I think they're two different things, and they

786
00:46:05,975 --> 00:46:09,095
Speaker 5: don't do the same job. They kind of do in

787
00:46:09,135 --> 00:46:12,575
Speaker 5: the sense that it's a way of getting light into

788
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Speaker 5: an interior of a building that maybe doesn't have a window,

789
00:46:15,975 --> 00:46:20,295
Speaker 5: or because of orientation you want to have more light

790
00:46:20,375 --> 00:46:23,975
Speaker 5: in there. But I wouldn't see them as the same thing.

791
00:46:24,015 --> 00:46:27,535
Speaker 5: I think they both have value. We have some version

792
00:46:27,575 --> 00:46:30,375
Speaker 5: of a solar tube in our own house, so we've

793
00:46:30,375 --> 00:46:32,735
Speaker 5: got a walk in wardrobe that's in the middle of

794
00:46:32,775 --> 00:46:36,375
Speaker 5: the house, doesn't have any exterior windows, and because I

795
00:46:36,455 --> 00:46:39,495
Speaker 5: wanted to have some sort of natural light in there

796
00:46:39,815 --> 00:46:41,615
Speaker 5: rather than having to turn the light on every time

797
00:46:41,655 --> 00:46:44,135
Speaker 5: you go in there, we've put a solar tuber. So

798
00:46:44,295 --> 00:46:46,615
Speaker 5: what it does mean is that going there during the

799
00:46:46,695 --> 00:46:48,855
Speaker 5: day and there is a reasonable level of light. It's

800
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Speaker 5: about the equivalent I think maybe have a forty what

801
00:46:51,015 --> 00:46:54,095
Speaker 5: bulb or something like that. Skylights I think are quite different.

802
00:46:54,135 --> 00:46:56,855
Speaker 5: They can be used to enhance the architecture. They can

803
00:46:56,935 --> 00:46:59,335
Speaker 5: be used, you know, if you want to get late

804
00:46:59,375 --> 00:47:03,495
Speaker 5: afternoon sun or early morning sun, or you've got a

805
00:47:03,535 --> 00:47:07,455
Speaker 5: particular vista that you might enjoy out of there. While

806
00:47:07,455 --> 00:47:09,375
Speaker 5: they do this sort of same thing, I think they

807
00:47:09,375 --> 00:47:14,455
Speaker 5: are quite different and both are valuable in their own situation.

808
00:47:14,575 --> 00:47:17,455
Speaker 5: I wait hundred eighty ten eighty, getting some good texts

809
00:47:17,495 --> 00:47:21,975
Speaker 5: on the cross lease questions, and I encourage you to

810
00:47:22,015 --> 00:47:24,415
Speaker 5: flick those through and we will put those to our

811
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Speaker 5: expert Ben Thompson, who is a lawyer specializing and susing

812
00:47:29,255 --> 00:47:32,895
Speaker 5: property law, but is also quite well regarded in terms

813
00:47:32,895 --> 00:47:37,295
Speaker 5: of his knowledge around cross lease's defective titles, what that

814
00:47:37,455 --> 00:47:39,855
Speaker 5: means and how you might go about fixing them. I

815
00:47:39,935 --> 00:47:45,775
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty text from Simon Pete. It's

816
00:47:45,855 --> 00:47:48,935
Speaker 5: just some window framing. Nobody cares. The busy bodies need

817
00:47:48,975 --> 00:47:51,175
Speaker 5: to move on. The council should not be wasting time

818
00:47:51,255 --> 00:47:54,655
Speaker 5: and resources on it. Either. Couldn't disagree more with your

819
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Speaker 5: Simon with the greatest respect. I think that heritage areas

820
00:47:58,695 --> 00:48:01,655
Speaker 5: deserve to be preserved. I think that people that own

821
00:48:01,815 --> 00:48:04,775
Speaker 5: heritage houses need to be aware of kind of their

822
00:48:04,815 --> 00:48:09,615
Speaker 5: responsibility in terms of looking after them. And I think

823
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Speaker 5: it is the sort of thing that council, if you're

824
00:48:12,135 --> 00:48:14,695
Speaker 5: in the heritage area and you make some changes that

825
00:48:14,815 --> 00:48:17,575
Speaker 5: are not sympathetic to the quality and the character of

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Speaker 5: the building. I think council do. I mean, look, you'd

827
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Speaker 5: hope that they don't spend an awful lot of time

828
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Speaker 5: on it, but I think they should in this instance go. Actually,

829
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Speaker 5: that's not what we want for our heritage areas, is

830
00:48:29,575 --> 00:48:32,335
Speaker 5: my opinion, my humble opinion. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

831
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Speaker 5: ten eighty the number Steve, Good morning, Pete.

832
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Speaker 10: Can I Steve.

833
00:48:38,335 --> 00:48:38,735
Speaker 11: Hey, Pete.

834
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Speaker 10: Look, I'm an architectural designer and Aukland next builder, yep,

835
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Speaker 10: And I just want to talk about the heritage buildings well.

836
00:48:46,215 --> 00:48:48,415
Speaker 10: And also I call them the kit set homes of

837
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Speaker 10: the early nineteen hundreds at.

838
00:48:49,695 --> 00:48:51,215
Speaker 5: Riddle Auckland, which they are.

839
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Speaker 10: Yeah, they're the kids at homes early nineteen hundreds. It's

840
00:48:54,535 --> 00:48:57,615
Speaker 10: a different way thinking about it, isn't it. And they're

841
00:48:57,655 --> 00:49:00,895
Speaker 10: all over the place. And I'd just like to pose

842
00:49:00,895 --> 00:49:05,655
Speaker 10: a question too, that will these nineteen eighties houses that

843
00:49:05,735 --> 00:49:07,735
Speaker 10: we see all on the place, of these ninety seventies

844
00:49:07,815 --> 00:49:09,815
Speaker 10: tack year old homes, are they going to be heritage

845
00:49:09,815 --> 00:49:12,775
Speaker 10: in another hundred years? But look, they're going to be

846
00:49:12,775 --> 00:49:15,535
Speaker 10: classed because it seems to be time, isn't It classes

847
00:49:15,615 --> 00:49:19,055
Speaker 10: things as heritage, even the most ugly, horrible things that

848
00:49:19,095 --> 00:49:22,615
Speaker 10: are falling apart around years now. You probably tell Pete,

849
00:49:22,655 --> 00:49:25,215
Speaker 10: I'm not a big fan of them. I deal with

850
00:49:25,255 --> 00:49:28,455
Speaker 10: them every day. I deal with the planners and council

851
00:49:29,415 --> 00:49:32,055
Speaker 10: a lot of I do a lot of renovation extension

852
00:49:32,135 --> 00:49:37,015
Speaker 10: work on villas, bunglis, getting plans through building consents, resource consent,

853
00:49:37,855 --> 00:49:39,655
Speaker 10: and I see it all. Pete and a lot of

854
00:49:39,655 --> 00:49:44,615
Speaker 10: people just don't realize the extent of the bureaucracy and Nazism.

855
00:49:44,735 --> 00:49:49,375
Speaker 10: It's crazy. I mean we have been We've called these

856
00:49:49,495 --> 00:49:52,335
Speaker 10: hells it's that are classed as heritage and character. They're

857
00:49:52,375 --> 00:49:56,695
Speaker 10: all over the place. There's hardly a house that doesn't

858
00:49:56,695 --> 00:49:59,415
Speaker 10: have it now in central Auckland that doesn't.

859
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Speaker 5: Have hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's throw a

860
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Speaker 5: little bit of analysis into this, right. Actually, I'm coding

861
00:50:08,255 --> 00:50:12,135
Speaker 5: from the article where it talks about the Sally Hughes,

862
00:50:12,375 --> 00:50:18,935
Speaker 5: who's the chairwoman of the Character Coalition. So special character

863
00:50:19,255 --> 00:50:23,055
Speaker 5: areas represent two point five percent of Auckland's land area.

864
00:50:24,015 --> 00:50:26,255
Speaker 5: So I don't know how many houses that equates too.

865
00:50:26,255 --> 00:50:28,855
Speaker 5: But we're not talking a significant you know two point

866
00:50:28,855 --> 00:50:32,855
Speaker 5: five percent of Auckland's good land area is here.

867
00:50:33,895 --> 00:50:36,495
Speaker 10: Yeah, could I say something really quickly, but yes, that's

868
00:50:36,495 --> 00:50:38,095
Speaker 10: dead right. But do you know what? Do you know

869
00:50:38,175 --> 00:50:43,415
Speaker 10: the area that occupies incredibly valuable central area that's going

870
00:50:43,455 --> 00:50:46,415
Speaker 10: to be required for high density housing in the future.

871
00:50:46,735 --> 00:50:49,335
Speaker 10: And we've got to understand that, Peter. I just want

872
00:50:49,335 --> 00:50:50,735
Speaker 10: to say one thing. Have you been Have you been

873
00:50:50,735 --> 00:50:54,775
Speaker 10: to Japan? Have you been to Cailgoi. It's this beautiful.

874
00:50:54,775 --> 00:50:57,535
Speaker 10: You get off this train station in Cailgoi right in Tokyo,

875
00:50:57,975 --> 00:51:01,335
Speaker 10: and it's like going back in time. And they've dedicated

876
00:51:01,415 --> 00:51:06,815
Speaker 10: this whole little area to traditional Japanese homes and it's credible.

877
00:51:06,815 --> 00:51:09,815
Speaker 10: People go and walk around the weekend and it's like

878
00:51:09,895 --> 00:51:12,215
Speaker 10: I said, it feels like you're back in the Samurai times.

879
00:51:12,615 --> 00:51:14,375
Speaker 10: Now when you jump and then you jump on the

880
00:51:14,375 --> 00:51:17,135
Speaker 10: train in the next crane station five kilometers up the

881
00:51:17,215 --> 00:51:21,975
Speaker 10: road or supplicate is back to modern high density urban living.

882
00:51:22,095 --> 00:51:26,215
Speaker 10: That and see that's practical, that's practically minded. Now I

883
00:51:26,295 --> 00:51:26,735
Speaker 10: go up.

884
00:51:26,775 --> 00:51:29,655
Speaker 5: Hang on the mountain. Doesn't that go contrary to what

885
00:51:29,695 --> 00:51:31,695
Speaker 5: you're just saying. You're saying that we need to use

886
00:51:31,735 --> 00:51:35,815
Speaker 5: these areas of heritage homes for high density living. But

887
00:51:35,855 --> 00:51:38,015
Speaker 5: you're saying over there they've protected that, and then a

888
00:51:38,055 --> 00:51:40,375
Speaker 5: couple of kilometers down the road, Well that's what's happening.

889
00:51:40,375 --> 00:51:42,055
Speaker 5: And in most main sence here.

890
00:51:42,575 --> 00:51:44,335
Speaker 10: Now, the point I want to get across feed is

891
00:51:44,375 --> 00:51:48,735
Speaker 10: that we need to have one centralized area, pick out

892
00:51:48,775 --> 00:51:51,975
Speaker 10: the carve out the best little niche area in Auckland.

893
00:51:52,295 --> 00:51:55,815
Speaker 10: That's going to be your character heritage zones. The rest

894
00:51:56,455 --> 00:51:59,575
Speaker 10: allow it to be demo. Because we've got a broad

895
00:52:00,015 --> 00:52:04,375
Speaker 10: region of central Auckland pretty much covered in character overlays

896
00:52:04,375 --> 00:52:07,775
Speaker 10: and heritage, and all we need, all we need is

897
00:52:07,775 --> 00:52:12,055
Speaker 10: a small about a little square meter square square kilometer right,

898
00:52:12,375 --> 00:52:15,175
Speaker 10: a couple of square case whatever, but a small area

899
00:52:15,335 --> 00:52:18,375
Speaker 10: of our best quality that people can go and look

900
00:52:18,415 --> 00:52:21,535
Speaker 10: at if they want to see the heritage like a museum.

901
00:52:21,775 --> 00:52:24,535
Speaker 10: We don't need to have vast areas of central Auckland

902
00:52:25,295 --> 00:52:29,495
Speaker 10: covered with character overlays. It's stymying progress. Made I deal

903
00:52:29,575 --> 00:52:31,215
Speaker 10: that every day and I go to the top of

904
00:52:31,215 --> 00:52:33,695
Speaker 10: Mount eden Hill and all I see when I look

905
00:52:33,735 --> 00:52:37,655
Speaker 10: around me is a sea of corrugated roofs that look

906
00:52:37,735 --> 00:52:41,055
Speaker 10: like shanty towns. And that's all they are. We've got.

907
00:52:41,055 --> 00:52:42,775
Speaker 10: If we're going to look after the young people in

908
00:52:42,815 --> 00:52:45,735
Speaker 10: this country and stops going away, We've got to get

909
00:52:45,735 --> 00:52:47,775
Speaker 10: like your fanmate, because I'll tell you what, it's not

910
00:52:47,815 --> 00:52:51,055
Speaker 10: the money why they're leaving. They don't like you know

911
00:52:51,135 --> 00:52:53,535
Speaker 10: that lady you were talking about who's just all out

912
00:52:53,535 --> 00:52:57,455
Speaker 10: protecting heritage. It's those types of luddites that are driving

913
00:52:57,535 --> 00:53:00,655
Speaker 10: this country backwards. Or an actual fact, if you stay

914
00:53:00,655 --> 00:53:03,935
Speaker 10: with no progress, you go with backwards. If you stay

915
00:53:04,135 --> 00:53:07,535
Speaker 10: where you are going backwards. And this is the thing

916
00:53:07,575 --> 00:53:10,695
Speaker 10: we've got to get out of this mindset. These heritage

917
00:53:11,615 --> 00:53:13,815
Speaker 10: I love to look at them, right, but I'll tell

918
00:53:13,815 --> 00:53:16,175
Speaker 10: you what you know yourself when you get up close

919
00:53:16,215 --> 00:53:19,375
Speaker 10: to them. They are set homes. They're a diamond dozen.

920
00:53:19,815 --> 00:53:23,255
Speaker 10: They're cold, they're drafty, they're rotted, and you know what

921
00:53:24,655 --> 00:53:26,615
Speaker 10: when you have to put when you're dealing with these

922
00:53:26,735 --> 00:53:29,935
Speaker 10: character overlay homes. Even people who want to put a

923
00:53:29,935 --> 00:53:32,975
Speaker 10: little tiny the public aren't aware of this bureaucracy. And

924
00:53:33,135 --> 00:53:35,015
Speaker 10: I'd like to see more To get onto this. You

925
00:53:35,575 --> 00:53:38,335
Speaker 10: know this yourself. You need to get a resource consent

926
00:53:38,535 --> 00:53:41,055
Speaker 10: to put a tiny little bathroom window into the back

927
00:53:41,055 --> 00:53:45,015
Speaker 10: of a house because you're breaching the exterior envelope of

928
00:53:45,095 --> 00:53:47,655
Speaker 10: that house where no one can see this little window.

929
00:53:47,655 --> 00:53:49,935
Speaker 10: It's going to cost you an extra five thousand dollars

930
00:53:49,935 --> 00:53:53,335
Speaker 10: bureaucracy through resource consents before the build of even throwed in.

931
00:53:54,215 --> 00:53:57,015
Speaker 10: It's crazy, it's crazy. If they're going to protect anything,

932
00:53:57,215 --> 00:53:59,415
Speaker 10: just do this creet frontage, which I think.

933
00:54:00,735 --> 00:54:05,135
Speaker 5: Steve, you've had your rump and look, you and I

934
00:54:05,175 --> 00:54:08,135
Speaker 5: could certain have a beer and discuss this for ours.

935
00:54:08,255 --> 00:54:10,855
Speaker 5: I tend to be in the opposite camp to you.

936
00:54:11,815 --> 00:54:16,215
Speaker 5: I think that protecting heritages is actually really important, not

937
00:54:16,615 --> 00:54:20,135
Speaker 5: to the complete and utter detriment of development and so on.

938
00:54:20,175 --> 00:54:23,175
Speaker 5: I think we do need to intensify and so on.

939
00:54:24,415 --> 00:54:26,575
Speaker 5: I certainly wouldn't agree with you in the sense that

940
00:54:26,895 --> 00:54:30,295
Speaker 5: picking one spot. You know, there are different little heritage

941
00:54:30,335 --> 00:54:33,055
Speaker 5: pockets all across Auckland, and I think you know you

942
00:54:33,975 --> 00:54:36,215
Speaker 5: can't just go, hey, look we actually like Pons and

943
00:54:36,415 --> 00:54:42,015
Speaker 5: and the rest of you be damned type thing. No, mate,

944
00:54:43,775 --> 00:54:46,175
Speaker 5: Even then you'd say, well, let's pick a bit of Parnal,

945
00:54:46,255 --> 00:54:48,655
Speaker 5: and let's pick a bit of bel Moral, and let's

946
00:54:48,655 --> 00:54:51,175
Speaker 5: pick a bit of Mount Eden, let's put a bit

947
00:54:51,175 --> 00:54:54,335
Speaker 5: of burken Head, and there's some lovely little heritage houses

948
00:54:54,375 --> 00:54:56,695
Speaker 5: and how it can there's some nice old villas and

949
00:54:56,695 --> 00:55:01,815
Speaker 5: papakura and so on and so forth. So but I look,

950
00:55:01,855 --> 00:55:03,975
Speaker 5: where we do have common ground I'm going to move on,

951
00:55:04,135 --> 00:55:07,735
Speaker 5: is that I agree with you that I some people

952
00:55:07,775 --> 00:55:13,335
Speaker 5: that I'm aware of did some alterations to heritage villa.

953
00:55:14,015 --> 00:55:16,575
Speaker 5: It involved work at the back of the house. It

954
00:55:16,695 --> 00:55:20,295
Speaker 5: was sympathetic to the original design. It couldn't be seen

955
00:55:20,375 --> 00:55:24,255
Speaker 5: from the road front at all or the streetscape, which

956
00:55:24,255 --> 00:55:26,775
Speaker 5: I think is what the protection should be about, is

957
00:55:26,815 --> 00:55:32,975
Speaker 5: protecting the streetscape right. And yet suddenly their building consent

958
00:55:33,095 --> 00:55:35,135
Speaker 5: was held up and they needed to apply for a

959
00:55:35,175 --> 00:55:39,135
Speaker 5: particular part of a resource consent to change some joinery,

960
00:55:39,175 --> 00:55:42,135
Speaker 5: which I felt was a little bit pointless. Oh, eight

961
00:55:42,215 --> 00:55:44,815
Speaker 5: hundred eighty ten eighty is thanks for you. Call Steve

962
00:55:44,895 --> 00:55:46,735
Speaker 5: all the very best. If you've got a comment to make.

963
00:55:47,375 --> 00:55:49,895
Speaker 5: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call.

964
00:55:49,935 --> 00:55:52,255
Speaker 5: It is twenty one minutes after seven.

965
00:55:52,655 --> 00:55:56,535
Speaker 1: Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident

966
00:55:56,575 --> 00:55:59,935
Speaker 1: builder with Peter Wolfgat call eight hundred eighty ten eighty

967
00:56:00,015 --> 00:56:00,815
Speaker 1: youth talk ZB.

968
00:56:01,735 --> 00:56:04,735
Speaker 5: Recently, I was made aware of a new product that

969
00:56:04,775 --> 00:56:07,695
Speaker 5: you can use for roof coo so I wanted to

970
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Speaker 5: find out more and on the line as Murray from

971
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Speaker 5: Polymers International, tell us a little bit more about Injuris

972
00:56:13,295 --> 00:56:14,415
Speaker 5: and the company behind it.

973
00:56:15,295 --> 00:56:17,375
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974
00:56:17,975 --> 00:56:21,055
Speaker 13: we're leading New Zealand owned and porter and distributor of

975
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Speaker 13: industrial materials who represent several world leading supplies in that

976
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977
00:56:29,255 --> 00:56:34,575
Speaker 13: some forty years, so we're not new and we certainly

978
00:56:34,615 --> 00:56:38,695
Speaker 13: stand behind the products that we import. We represented the

979
00:56:38,735 --> 00:56:41,855
Speaker 13: manufacture of the Injuris roof coating with their other products

980
00:56:41,895 --> 00:56:44,975
Speaker 13: for over twenty five years and have been promoting the

981
00:56:45,015 --> 00:56:47,775
Speaker 13: Injuris roof coating product in New Zealand for the past

982
00:56:47,775 --> 00:56:52,055
Speaker 13: two years. The manufacture of the Injuris is a company

983
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Speaker 13: called Moment of Performance Materials, who are a Korean owned

984
00:56:55,455 --> 00:56:59,175
Speaker 13: business who operate in over forty locations in twenty plus

985
00:56:59,175 --> 00:57:02,975
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986
00:57:03,335 --> 00:57:07,575
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987
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988
00:57:10,495 --> 00:57:13,095
Speaker 5: So Jurist has been out there for forty years. What's

989
00:57:13,135 --> 00:57:15,495
Speaker 5: taken it so long? To get to Little Old New Zealand.

990
00:57:15,735 --> 00:57:18,655
Speaker 13: Well, it's pretty much they were sold out. They were

991
00:57:18,695 --> 00:57:21,695
Speaker 13: producing only limited amount and they were sold out, and

992
00:57:21,855 --> 00:57:25,055
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993
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994
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Speaker 13: Asia right now.

995
00:57:30,495 --> 00:57:32,775
Speaker 5: What is Injuris roof coating.

996
00:57:34,295 --> 00:57:38,975
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997
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998
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999
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1000
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1001
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1002
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1003
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Speaker 13: Juris is that we can offer up to a twenty

1004
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1005
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1006
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1007
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1008
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1009
00:58:18,935 --> 00:58:19,455
Speaker 5: find out more?

1010
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Speaker 4: Where do we go?

1011
00:58:21,175 --> 00:58:24,175
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1012
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1013
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1014
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1015
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1016
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1017
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Speaker 13: and that's got a lot of case studies and information

1018
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Speaker 13: on the Injuris.

1019
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Speaker 5: Appreciate the update and again that website, Silicon for Building

1020
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1021
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Speaker 4: Newstalks be.

1022
00:58:56,215 --> 00:58:58,015
Speaker 5: I do feel that we could do like a whole

1023
00:58:58,055 --> 00:59:01,855
Speaker 5: session on the heritage houses. The texts are going nuts.

1024
00:59:01,855 --> 00:59:07,495
Speaker 5: This is awesome. Look I just and I'm sure I've

1025
00:59:07,495 --> 00:59:11,855
Speaker 5: said this before ad nauseam, and my apologies for repeating it.

1026
00:59:11,895 --> 00:59:14,975
Speaker 5: But like in my own instance, I actually live in

1027
00:59:15,015 --> 00:59:16,975
Speaker 5: an old house. I live in a we live in

1028
00:59:17,015 --> 00:59:22,895
Speaker 5: a nineteen five. I think villa fairly traditional villa. I've

1029
00:59:22,895 --> 00:59:25,255
Speaker 5: done lots of work on it that I hope is

1030
00:59:25,335 --> 00:59:30,695
Speaker 5: sympathetic to the original builders where I live. In the

1031
00:59:30,775 --> 00:59:33,935
Speaker 5: last twenty odd years, almost all of my building work

1032
00:59:33,975 --> 00:59:37,695
Speaker 5: has been on heritage building. So I love them. I

1033
00:59:37,695 --> 00:59:41,335
Speaker 5: think I'm reasonably passionate about them, and I believe they

1034
00:59:41,895 --> 00:59:46,775
Speaker 5: should be protected and preserved as best we possibly can.

1035
00:59:47,615 --> 00:59:49,535
Speaker 5: Flip side to that, I guess, and it was pointed

1036
00:59:49,535 --> 00:59:53,295
Speaker 5: out by Steve, is that you know, they don't perform

1037
00:59:53,375 --> 00:59:56,615
Speaker 5: particularly well. In order to get them to perform in

1038
00:59:56,695 --> 01:00:01,135
Speaker 5: terms of their thermal and energy efficiency requires a lot

1039
01:00:01,135 --> 01:00:07,135
Speaker 5: of input and often with some considerable compromise. So there

1040
01:00:07,135 --> 01:00:09,735
Speaker 5: are some challenges there. And then there are larger challenges

1041
01:00:09,775 --> 01:00:14,255
Speaker 5: in terms of social challenges around providing more affordable housing

1042
01:00:14,375 --> 01:00:17,815
Speaker 5: for more people, to ensure that everyone has an opportunity

1043
01:00:18,655 --> 01:00:21,175
Speaker 5: to get on the housing ladder, and to provide that

1044
01:00:21,255 --> 01:00:26,215
Speaker 5: security for themselves. So I understand the complexity around the

1045
01:00:26,255 --> 01:00:29,295
Speaker 5: debate of you know, do we lock up large tracts

1046
01:00:29,335 --> 01:00:32,615
Speaker 5: of land into heritage houses or do we allow development

1047
01:00:32,655 --> 01:00:37,215
Speaker 5: in those areas in order to will it level the

1048
01:00:37,215 --> 01:00:44,455
Speaker 5: playing field. So there's lots and lots of issues. Some

1049
01:00:44,535 --> 01:00:46,375
Speaker 5: of the texts I'm not going to read out. But

1050
01:00:46,975 --> 01:00:50,175
Speaker 5: let me see who's this one from? If your number

1051
01:00:50,255 --> 01:00:53,175
Speaker 5: ends in one, three, seven, I appreciate the text, but

1052
01:00:54,415 --> 01:00:58,415
Speaker 5: I'm not going to read that out. I would think

1053
01:00:58,775 --> 01:01:01,175
Speaker 5: if you're purchasing a heritage home, it's because you like

1054
01:01:01,215 --> 01:01:03,095
Speaker 5: the house as it is. You can get new wooden

1055
01:01:03,415 --> 01:01:06,255
Speaker 5: joinery double glazed and that will stay with the wood.

1056
01:01:06,375 --> 01:01:09,215
Speaker 5: Council wouldn't have an issue. You're absolutely right. This is

1057
01:01:09,215 --> 01:01:12,975
Speaker 5: off the Herald article yesterday. It's not about the double glazing.

1058
01:01:12,975 --> 01:01:14,935
Speaker 5: It's about the fact that they've ripped out the timber

1059
01:01:14,975 --> 01:01:18,895
Speaker 5: sashes and replace them with aluminium. That's what has got

1060
01:01:18,935 --> 01:01:22,415
Speaker 5: council upset here here one hundred percent agree with Steve

1061
01:01:22,455 --> 01:01:25,735
Speaker 5: on the old heritage homes. Let's expand in New Zealand.

1062
01:01:25,815 --> 01:01:30,055
Speaker 5: Council heritage specialists is because they want to keep the

1063
01:01:30,055 --> 01:01:33,655
Speaker 5: house as it is. Yep, there is that. There's a

1064
01:01:33,655 --> 01:01:36,415
Speaker 5: couple of others. Let's expand in New Zealand heritage specialists,

1065
01:01:37,335 --> 01:01:40,615
Speaker 5: keep the divisions to ensure compliance. Let's keep New Zealand

1066
01:01:40,655 --> 01:01:46,655
Speaker 5: like it used to be. I'm not sure text to

1067
01:01:46,695 --> 01:01:49,695
Speaker 5: sale of what Steve's saying makes good modern sense, says Lee.

1068
01:01:51,695 --> 01:01:54,095
Speaker 5: Shame on this buill demand shouldn't be allowed to touch

1069
01:01:54,135 --> 01:01:58,175
Speaker 5: heritage properties. Well, they need maintenance right and often they're

1070
01:01:58,175 --> 01:02:00,655
Speaker 5: not fit for purpose, and so typically we want to

1071
01:02:00,695 --> 01:02:03,855
Speaker 5: extend out the back. But I think there is a

1072
01:02:03,975 --> 01:02:08,175
Speaker 5: value in having streets where there is a cohesive look

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01:02:08,255 --> 01:02:12,735
Speaker 5: to the street, where heritage areas are protected. I think

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01:02:12,735 --> 01:02:15,815
Speaker 5: there is a benefit to the city as a whole

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01:02:15,935 --> 01:02:20,815
Speaker 5: if we do something to continue to protect those areas. Anyway,

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01:02:20,855 --> 01:02:22,775
Speaker 5: we can open the lines on this. Oh, eight hundred

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01:02:22,775 --> 01:02:25,855
Speaker 5: and eighty ten eighty and Kevin, you've got some comments

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01:02:25,855 --> 01:02:31,095
Speaker 5: to make on heritage as well. Good Kevin, hi P. Hello, Yeah,

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01:02:31,215 --> 01:02:31,695
Speaker 5: very well.

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Speaker 10: Thank.

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01:02:33,695 --> 01:02:34,335
Speaker 11: Good. Thanks.

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Speaker 14: I've just been driving for three hours. I'm just listening

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01:02:36,895 --> 01:02:40,375
Speaker 14: to you here. But hey, I agree with on the

1084
01:02:40,375 --> 01:02:42,455
Speaker 14: face of it, what Steve's talking about. I mean, I

1085
01:02:42,495 --> 01:02:46,695
Speaker 14: can't see why we can't shet aside an area and

1086
01:02:46,935 --> 01:02:52,815
Speaker 14: orkan say, or heritage homes. And one thing you haven't

1087
01:02:52,855 --> 01:02:56,975
Speaker 14: mentioned so far is if you've got a heritage listed

1088
01:02:57,255 --> 01:03:00,935
Speaker 14: house and you want to make some changes, it's very expensive.

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01:03:01,415 --> 01:03:03,695
Speaker 14: It's okay for you being a builder, but for the

1090
01:03:03,735 --> 01:03:06,295
Speaker 14: average person who has one of these homes, I guess

1091
01:03:06,415 --> 01:03:10,015
Speaker 14: would be an added cost that they wouldn't have in

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01:03:10,015 --> 01:03:10,935
Speaker 14: a more modern home.

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01:03:11,415 --> 01:03:14,215
Speaker 5: Except I counter that by saying that unless you happen

1094
01:03:14,295 --> 01:03:16,455
Speaker 5: to have occupied the house for let's say more than

1095
01:03:16,495 --> 01:03:19,975
Speaker 5: forty or fifty years, you will be aware when you

1096
01:03:20,095 --> 01:03:23,055
Speaker 5: purchase a property and a heritage area that there are

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01:03:23,175 --> 01:03:25,935
Speaker 5: restrictions around what you can do. And in fact, it

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01:03:26,015 --> 01:03:29,495
Speaker 5: might be the reason that you purchase because you like

1099
01:03:29,575 --> 01:03:32,655
Speaker 5: the area, you like the heritage elements. So you can't

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01:03:32,695 --> 01:03:35,215
Speaker 5: then buy a house knowing it's in a heritage area

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01:03:35,295 --> 01:03:37,815
Speaker 5: and then complain about the heritage rules.

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Speaker 14: Yes, no, I agree with that. But if we're moving

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01:03:42,335 --> 01:03:47,375
Speaker 14: forward and we need more housing in the central areas

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01:03:47,455 --> 01:03:52,975
Speaker 14: to bring more people into those areas, then maybe that's

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01:03:53,255 --> 01:03:56,975
Speaker 14: an alternative what Steve said into set aside an area.

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01:03:57,175 --> 01:04:02,055
Speaker 5: And then again we are getting that. You look at

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01:04:02,095 --> 01:04:07,575
Speaker 5: most town centers and there's intensification. There would be some

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01:04:07,695 --> 01:04:10,495
Speaker 5: areas where there's going to be very little, but if

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01:04:10,815 --> 01:04:13,615
Speaker 5: you look at like the district plan and those sorts

1110
01:04:13,655 --> 01:04:18,655
Speaker 5: of things, and the intensification guidelines for most cities, you'll

1111
01:04:18,695 --> 01:04:23,695
Speaker 5: find that there's areas of intensification reasonably close to the CBD.

1112
01:04:23,935 --> 01:04:25,495
Speaker 5: So again that's already happening.

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01:04:27,535 --> 01:04:29,335
Speaker 14: Yes, I know, but in those areas where there's a

1114
01:04:29,375 --> 01:04:32,735
Speaker 14: heritage listing that that that does put some restrictions on.

1115
01:04:32,775 --> 01:04:36,855
Speaker 5: Of course it does, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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01:04:37,015 --> 01:04:41,175
Speaker 14: Anyway, I appreciate the thought that the idea, the idea

1117
01:04:41,215 --> 01:04:43,855
Speaker 14: in Japan where they have an area where it shut aside.

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01:04:43,855 --> 01:04:45,375
Speaker 14: If you want to go and look at some heritage

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01:04:45,415 --> 01:04:47,775
Speaker 14: old heritage houses, go to that area and have a

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01:04:47,815 --> 01:04:51,095
Speaker 14: look the rest of it, the areas you can move

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01:04:51,135 --> 01:04:56,055
Speaker 14: forward and modernize and intensify.

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01:04:57,015 --> 01:04:59,695
Speaker 5: Although you know, I'm just thinking about Auckland because that's

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01:04:59,815 --> 01:05:02,415
Speaker 5: obviously where I live and where I'm most familiar with.

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01:05:02,575 --> 01:05:04,935
Speaker 5: Is that, you know, if as a I don't know

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01:05:04,975 --> 01:05:08,215
Speaker 5: a council or even as they decided that that's the

1126
01:05:08,255 --> 01:05:11,415
Speaker 5: approach that they would take, it's going to be a

1127
01:05:11,455 --> 01:05:14,175
Speaker 5: pretty hard cell to go to one area where there's

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01:05:14,215 --> 01:05:17,495
Speaker 5: been long standing heritage protections. Hey, look by the way,

1129
01:05:17,895 --> 01:05:21,975
Speaker 5: we're sending in the bulldozers because down the road that's

1130
01:05:22,015 --> 01:05:25,215
Speaker 5: where we've selected an area to remain intact. But you

1131
01:05:25,295 --> 01:05:27,695
Speaker 5: guys missed out, you know.

1132
01:05:28,735 --> 01:05:32,175
Speaker 14: It's it's yeah, I do understand that, Pete. And there'll

1133
01:05:32,175 --> 01:05:37,135
Speaker 14: be obviously some problems with even going down that track,

1134
01:05:37,175 --> 01:05:39,295
Speaker 14: but it's it wasn't a bad idea.

1135
01:05:39,335 --> 01:05:39,975
Speaker 11: And I think that.

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01:05:41,455 --> 01:05:44,175
Speaker 14: You know, there is too many of you know, you

1137
01:05:44,215 --> 01:05:46,335
Speaker 14: get an old but.

1138
01:05:46,415 --> 01:05:51,295
Speaker 5: Hold on again, it's two point five percent of the

1139
01:05:51,335 --> 01:05:55,615
Speaker 5: auckland Land area as heritage houses. Two point five percent.

1140
01:05:56,095 --> 01:05:57,255
Speaker 5: How is that too much?

1141
01:05:58,935 --> 01:06:02,255
Speaker 14: Well, no, because it's all it's not concentrated in one area.

1142
01:06:02,255 --> 01:06:04,415
Speaker 14: If it was two point five in one area, fair enough,

1143
01:06:04,415 --> 01:06:06,775
Speaker 14: but it's all over Auckland.

1144
01:06:06,855 --> 01:06:08,015
Speaker 10: So you've got these But.

1145
01:06:08,215 --> 01:06:11,695
Speaker 5: Something that's two point five percent can't be all over Auckland, right,

1146
01:06:12,215 --> 01:06:15,575
Speaker 5: The maths don't stack up. If it's two point five percent,

1147
01:06:15,615 --> 01:06:17,575
Speaker 5: it means it's little bits here and there.

1148
01:06:19,095 --> 01:06:21,415
Speaker 14: Yeah, but I think it's I think it's more concentrated

1149
01:06:21,455 --> 01:06:22,855
Speaker 14: in the in the central area.

1150
01:06:23,735 --> 01:06:26,935
Speaker 5: There are more heritage protections. You're right, So places like

1151
01:06:27,255 --> 01:06:31,935
Speaker 5: you know, Pontsmbee, parts of gray len Mount, Eden, Devenport,

1152
01:06:32,255 --> 01:06:35,255
Speaker 5: so on and so forth have higher levels of protection

1153
01:06:35,375 --> 01:06:38,655
Speaker 5: than other areas. Yeah, appreciate the comment. I look, I

1154
01:06:38,695 --> 01:06:41,135
Speaker 5: think it's a great debate and we should be having

1155
01:06:41,135 --> 01:06:42,935
Speaker 5: it more and more. So I'm happy to give some

1156
01:06:42,975 --> 01:06:45,855
Speaker 5: time to it today on the show. Appreciate your time, Kevin,

1157
01:06:45,935 --> 01:06:47,775
Speaker 5: all the best. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1158
01:06:47,815 --> 01:06:49,535
Speaker 5: We'll talk to Bruce after the break.

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01:06:51,095 --> 01:06:54,575
Speaker 1: God was but maybe called Pete first you work the

1160
01:06:54,695 --> 01:06:56,655
Speaker 1: Resident Builder news talk sai'd.

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01:06:56,455 --> 01:06:59,575
Speaker 5: Be Someone has has text through and said, Hey, I

1162
01:07:00,375 --> 01:07:07,935
Speaker 5: think you're a bit blinked on this in terms of me. Yes,

1163
01:07:08,695 --> 01:07:12,335
Speaker 5: I am blinked in the sense that I'm passionate about

1164
01:07:12,335 --> 01:07:16,135
Speaker 5: heritage right, and I think that protecting it is actually

1165
01:07:16,175 --> 01:07:19,855
Speaker 5: really really important. I would agree with Steve that I

1166
01:07:19,895 --> 01:07:24,135
Speaker 5: think sometimes council regulations around resource consents for heritage work

1167
01:07:24,255 --> 01:07:28,855
Speaker 5: are how can I put this nonsensical in the sense

1168
01:07:28,895 --> 01:07:32,135
Speaker 5: that one case that I will not case a situation

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01:07:32,215 --> 01:07:34,575
Speaker 5: that I was very aware of a little while ago

1170
01:07:34,615 --> 01:07:38,775
Speaker 5: where people were doing alteration, not even to the footprint

1171
01:07:38,775 --> 01:07:41,455
Speaker 5: of the building, but substituting one set of joinery for

1172
01:07:41,495 --> 01:07:44,895
Speaker 5: another and in fact making it more authentic than what

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01:07:45,455 --> 01:07:49,855
Speaker 5: was there then required a specific letter from a planner

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01:07:50,735 --> 01:07:54,615
Speaker 5: around the resource consent and completely unnecessary as far as

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01:07:54,615 --> 01:07:56,895
Speaker 5: I was concerned. So look, I think that some of

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01:07:56,935 --> 01:08:02,415
Speaker 5: the regulation where potentially overregulated. Should we have heritage protections?

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01:08:02,495 --> 01:08:06,015
Speaker 5: In my opinion, yes we should. I wait dreen eight

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Speaker 5: talking all things building though, Bruce, what's your question about tiling?

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01:08:10,335 --> 01:08:10,495
Speaker 8: Oh?

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01:08:10,575 --> 01:08:15,375
Speaker 15: Hello, yes, Well, first of all, Peach, I've interested to

1181
01:08:15,455 --> 01:08:17,775
Speaker 15: hear about the bungalows, a lot of the.

1182
01:08:19,335 --> 01:08:26,335
Speaker 11: Billow type houses with olderations. We we built a house.

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01:08:26,135 --> 01:08:31,295
Speaker 15: To aban bungalow design in twenty seventeen, and it was

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01:08:31,335 --> 01:08:35,895
Speaker 15: interested here that you mentioned the wooden slash windows.

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01:08:36,215 --> 01:08:39,095
Speaker 11: Yes, effective for.

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01:08:39,255 --> 01:08:44,615
Speaker 16: Insulation, but we went for aluminium to a design that

1187
01:08:44,695 --> 01:08:48,695
Speaker 16: we've been keeping with the bungelow because the aluminium is cheaper.

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01:08:49,015 --> 01:08:52,055
Speaker 11: Sure, but it still works well.

1189
01:08:51,895 --> 01:08:55,295
Speaker 15: I guess the double glazing. But maybe what might have.

1190
01:08:55,255 --> 01:08:56,015
Speaker 11: Been better.

1191
01:08:58,375 --> 01:09:02,855
Speaker 5: In terms of building science that if you do let's

1192
01:09:02,855 --> 01:09:05,735
Speaker 5: say heat transfer test, right, so you're testing the thermal

1193
01:09:05,735 --> 01:09:10,415
Speaker 5: efficiency of different types of material that you could use

1194
01:09:10,415 --> 01:09:14,855
Speaker 5: to make a window frame out of, then it's very

1195
01:09:14,935 --> 01:09:19,655
Speaker 5: clear which are less thermally conductive so more energy efficient

1196
01:09:19,815 --> 01:09:23,175
Speaker 5: to which you know, and there's a scale, right, So

1197
01:09:23,775 --> 01:09:27,735
Speaker 5: in this particular instance, just very specifically on this article

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01:09:27,815 --> 01:09:29,695
Speaker 5: this house that appeared on the front page of the

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01:09:29,735 --> 01:09:34,215
Speaker 5: Herald yesterday, substituting I'm going to make a presumption, which

1200
01:09:34,255 --> 01:09:37,095
Speaker 5: is that the aluminium frames that they installed are classic

1201
01:09:37,215 --> 01:09:40,855
Speaker 5: what they'd call classic or standard aluminium frames as opposed

1202
01:09:40,895 --> 01:09:46,455
Speaker 5: to more modern thermally broken aluminium frames. The performance of

1203
01:09:46,495 --> 01:09:49,815
Speaker 5: the timber would have been higher than the modern aluminium

1204
01:09:49,895 --> 01:09:54,055
Speaker 5: that they've just installed. So you know, you've got to

1205
01:09:54,095 --> 01:09:58,295
Speaker 5: look at the components and the assembly and the methodology

1206
01:09:58,655 --> 01:10:01,255
Speaker 5: in order to reach a conclusion. But I just want

1207
01:10:01,295 --> 01:10:03,615
Speaker 5: to you know, I did see that article yesterday and

1208
01:10:03,655 --> 01:10:06,255
Speaker 5: I thought to be blunt, I felt it was mislead

1209
01:10:06,695 --> 01:10:09,255
Speaker 5: in the sense that council don't have an objection to

1210
01:10:09,295 --> 01:10:12,495
Speaker 5: double glazing. They have an objection to the aluminium joinery

1211
01:10:12,615 --> 01:10:16,375
Speaker 5: and a heritage house. So let's be really clear. Yeah,

1212
01:10:17,415 --> 01:10:20,175
Speaker 5: now did you have another quick question comment?

1213
01:10:21,135 --> 01:10:24,655
Speaker 15: Yes, in that same house, of course.

1214
01:10:24,695 --> 01:10:25,495
Speaker 11: We two.

1215
01:10:27,775 --> 01:10:30,695
Speaker 16: We've got tiles in the shower, in one of the

1216
01:10:30,735 --> 01:10:38,335
Speaker 16: showers and that's the join the ground has become discolored.

1217
01:10:38,615 --> 01:10:42,655
Speaker 11: Yes, it still works. We'll discolored, especially.

1218
01:10:42,335 --> 01:10:43,255
Speaker 15: Around the plug hole.

1219
01:10:43,335 --> 01:10:43,495
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1220
01:10:43,575 --> 01:10:47,855
Speaker 16: Sure built the tyler at the time the builder sectum

1221
01:10:48,455 --> 01:10:50,655
Speaker 16: because too many joins.

1222
01:10:51,095 --> 01:10:54,655
Speaker 11: Right right, We've got another.

1223
01:10:54,455 --> 01:10:57,775
Speaker 15: Tyler who who's who's quite Toompeton.

1224
01:10:57,895 --> 01:11:00,255
Speaker 11: But the job was the damage has done.

1225
01:11:01,175 --> 01:11:05,335
Speaker 16: But he's like he's like bake trails too, which but

1226
01:11:05,455 --> 01:11:08,375
Speaker 16: that's another story.

1227
01:11:08,815 --> 01:11:11,255
Speaker 11: But they discoloration and I wonder.

1228
01:11:12,775 --> 01:11:14,815
Speaker 16: I've tried to clean the grout.

1229
01:11:15,175 --> 01:11:20,815
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just a horrible you know, yes.

1230
01:11:21,895 --> 01:11:25,255
Speaker 15: Apearing whether there's a sort of a filler that could

1231
01:11:25,855 --> 01:11:28,095
Speaker 15: to the flush for the surface.

1232
01:11:28,415 --> 01:11:32,735
Speaker 5: Yes, Okay, A couple of options for you. One is

1233
01:11:32,855 --> 01:11:36,095
Speaker 5: that very carefully either you or you could get tiler

1234
01:11:36,175 --> 01:11:38,815
Speaker 5: to come and do it. Is to actually remove the grout,

1235
01:11:39,055 --> 01:11:42,255
Speaker 5: because you know, if you do that carefully because you've

1236
01:11:42,255 --> 01:11:43,695
Speaker 5: got to think you've got the thickness of the tile,

1237
01:11:43,735 --> 01:11:45,855
Speaker 5: which is probably going to be five to eight mil

1238
01:11:45,975 --> 01:11:48,775
Speaker 5: or something like that, so you could remove and then

1239
01:11:48,855 --> 01:11:52,095
Speaker 5: below that you'll have the tile adhesive, and then underneath

1240
01:11:52,135 --> 01:11:55,735
Speaker 5: that you'll actually have the waterproofing. So if you're careful,

1241
01:11:55,935 --> 01:11:59,255
Speaker 5: you could remove the grout and redo the grout, and

1242
01:11:59,335 --> 01:12:01,815
Speaker 5: then I think on a shower floor you would use

1243
01:12:01,895 --> 01:12:05,575
Speaker 5: an epoxy grout, which is you know, will seal better

1244
01:12:05,655 --> 01:12:10,815
Speaker 5: against moisture in gress than standard simontitious grout. So that's

1245
01:12:10,815 --> 01:12:13,135
Speaker 5: an option. Take the grout out, replace it, and then

1246
01:12:13,215 --> 01:12:16,815
Speaker 5: redo the silicon at the same time. Other option, which

1247
01:12:16,855 --> 01:12:20,055
Speaker 5: I've seen done is there are companies that specialize in

1248
01:12:20,295 --> 01:12:25,655
Speaker 5: cleaning and recoloring grout, where they will literally meticulously clean

1249
01:12:25,975 --> 01:12:29,615
Speaker 5: the area, dry it out, and then apply essentially like

1250
01:12:29,655 --> 01:12:32,655
Speaker 5: an epoxy paint over the top of the grout line

1251
01:12:32,735 --> 01:12:35,855
Speaker 5: to color the grout again and that will last quite well.

1252
01:12:37,015 --> 01:12:39,695
Speaker 5: So though those broadly speaking, are you two options pull

1253
01:12:39,735 --> 01:12:42,495
Speaker 5: it out, replace it, or have it colored. And the

1254
01:12:42,575 --> 01:12:46,975
Speaker 5: company that I used years ago was grout Pro. I

1255
01:12:50,175 --> 01:12:52,695
Speaker 5: think they're around the country, so you might find Bruce

1256
01:12:52,775 --> 01:12:55,895
Speaker 5: that either of those two options will give you the

1257
01:12:55,975 --> 01:13:00,135
Speaker 5: result you want. But yeah, sometimes when it gets a

1258
01:13:00,175 --> 01:13:02,855
Speaker 5: bit old and discolored, it is really hard to look after.

1259
01:13:03,495 --> 01:13:05,015
Speaker 5: I hope that helps all the very best to you.

1260
01:13:05,135 --> 01:13:06,735
Speaker 5: We're going to talk to and after the.

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01:13:06,735 --> 01:13:10,255
Speaker 1: Break doing other house storting the garden asked Pete for

1262
01:13:10,335 --> 01:13:13,895
Speaker 1: a hand the resident builder with Peter Wolfcap call eight

1263
01:13:14,495 --> 01:13:16,175
Speaker 1: eighty US Dogs V.

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Speaker 5: You and news talks'b. We're talking all things building construction,

1265
01:13:19,615 --> 01:13:23,015
Speaker 5: and we've talked a little bit about heritage, and we

1266
01:13:23,095 --> 01:13:25,055
Speaker 5: could have a lot of discussion around that, and I'd

1267
01:13:25,095 --> 01:13:28,135
Speaker 5: actually be really really happy to do that. Someone's text

1268
01:13:28,175 --> 01:13:32,095
Speaker 5: through and said, Hey, while I get that you like

1269
01:13:32,255 --> 01:13:36,335
Speaker 5: me personally, while you've got a the text is appreciate

1270
01:13:36,375 --> 01:13:38,855
Speaker 5: your passionate about heritage, but you haven't explained why. I'd

1271
01:13:38,935 --> 01:13:43,255
Speaker 5: like to hear that. Danny Gosh, that might take me

1272
01:13:43,255 --> 01:13:46,455
Speaker 5: a little while to unpack. Look, I think that protecting

1273
01:13:46,575 --> 01:13:50,135
Speaker 5: something of your heritage, the history of where you live,

1274
01:13:50,495 --> 01:13:52,335
Speaker 5: is important. I mean, one of the things that I

1275
01:13:52,455 --> 01:13:55,375
Speaker 5: love about travel, and I love to travel is going

1276
01:13:55,455 --> 01:13:58,575
Speaker 5: to places where they have preserved something of their heritage.

1277
01:13:58,655 --> 01:14:00,775
Speaker 5: The fact that I got to work when I was

1278
01:14:00,935 --> 01:14:03,655
Speaker 5: twenty years ago, I was working in France briefly on

1279
01:14:03,775 --> 01:14:06,695
Speaker 5: a house that's probably three hundred four hundred years in

1280
01:14:06,775 --> 01:14:12,495
Speaker 5: a village where behind the village was part of the aqueduct,

1281
01:14:13,055 --> 01:14:18,575
Speaker 5: that part of the water supply that went to the

1282
01:14:18,615 --> 01:14:20,815
Speaker 5: pont to guard that went on down to name. You know,

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Speaker 5: So the only reason that you've still got heritage is

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01:14:23,775 --> 01:14:27,255
Speaker 5: if you keep protecting it. If every generation knocks down

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01:14:27,335 --> 01:14:30,135
Speaker 5: what the previous generation's done, then we won't have any heritage.

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01:14:30,215 --> 01:14:32,935
Speaker 5: So on that level alone, I think it's important to

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01:14:33,015 --> 01:14:35,415
Speaker 5: preserve it. I also, you know, and this is where

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01:14:35,455 --> 01:14:39,175
Speaker 5: it is a challenging topic to talk about. We need growth,

1289
01:14:39,295 --> 01:14:41,815
Speaker 5: and we need better performing buildings, and we need more

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01:14:42,015 --> 01:14:45,015
Speaker 5: places for people to live that's affordable. So, you know,

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01:14:45,175 --> 01:14:48,415
Speaker 5: do heritage protections prevent that. I'm not actually sure that

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01:14:48,535 --> 01:14:51,695
Speaker 5: it's a binary yes or no answer there, Oh, eight

1293
01:14:51,815 --> 01:14:54,135
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty ten eighty then to call remember after

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01:14:54,255 --> 01:14:56,975
Speaker 5: the break after eight o'clock this morning, we're going to

1295
01:14:57,015 --> 01:15:01,295
Speaker 5: be joined by Ben Thompson, who is a lawyer, property

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01:15:01,455 --> 01:15:05,455
Speaker 5: lawyer who specializes in cross leases. So if you've got

1297
01:15:05,495 --> 01:15:09,455
Speaker 5: a specific question about cross leases and maybe what's called

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01:15:09,495 --> 01:15:12,455
Speaker 5: a defective title, feel free to tax those through and

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01:15:12,575 --> 01:15:15,415
Speaker 5: we'll be discussing it with Ben Thompson after eight o'clock

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01:15:15,455 --> 01:15:15,815
Speaker 5: this morning.

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01:15:15,895 --> 01:15:18,775
Speaker 17: Benjie, good morning, Good morning, Peter Harriett.

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01:15:19,095 --> 01:15:21,255
Speaker 4: Very well, how can I help excellent?

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01:15:21,335 --> 01:15:23,615
Speaker 17: So I live in meadow Bank. I've got a small

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01:15:23,655 --> 01:15:28,095
Speaker 17: house at seventy square meters, so there's a garage underneath.

1305
01:15:28,135 --> 01:15:31,255
Speaker 17: It's a nineteen fifties property. There's a garage underneath the kitchen,

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01:15:31,775 --> 01:15:36,175
Speaker 17: which I really need for storage solutions and also park

1307
01:15:36,255 --> 01:15:40,655
Speaker 17: in my car. It's had continual leaks and floods since

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01:15:40,695 --> 01:15:44,975
Speaker 17: I moved in. The private plumber and my house insurance

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01:15:45,215 --> 01:15:48,335
Speaker 17: people have both said it's a council issue. The council

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01:15:48,375 --> 01:15:50,855
Speaker 17: are dragging their heels. I've sent them all the pictures.

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01:15:51,215 --> 01:15:54,175
Speaker 17: But I've also noticed that it's got considerably worse since

1312
01:15:54,255 --> 01:15:57,575
Speaker 17: the house opposite me, which is very large, has been

1313
01:15:57,615 --> 01:16:00,335
Speaker 17: having extensive building work done over the last six to

1314
01:16:00,495 --> 01:16:03,615
Speaker 17: eight months. So now the garage is completely unusable. I

1315
01:16:03,655 --> 01:16:06,375
Speaker 17: can't even stick my car in it, and I I

1316
01:16:06,495 --> 01:16:08,975
Speaker 17: don't know what to do because the councilor being slow

1317
01:16:09,255 --> 01:16:12,375
Speaker 17: is essentially a part of the home that I wouldn't

1318
01:16:12,375 --> 01:16:16,055
Speaker 17: have bought the home without that space, and I can't

1319
01:16:16,215 --> 01:16:20,175
Speaker 17: use it. It's a mess, and I just don't know

1320
01:16:20,855 --> 01:16:23,615
Speaker 17: what else to do if the council continue to drag

1321
01:16:23,695 --> 01:16:26,215
Speaker 17: their heels. I'm also crossly, which I know you look

1322
01:16:26,255 --> 01:16:29,935
Speaker 17: it at later. And when my garage floods because I'm

1323
01:16:29,935 --> 01:16:33,495
Speaker 17: at the top of the hill in Meadowbank, it does

1324
01:16:34,055 --> 01:16:37,895
Speaker 17: apparently cause my neighbors problems, so they're not happy.

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01:16:37,735 --> 01:16:38,815
Speaker 10: Either, right.

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01:16:40,535 --> 01:16:44,695
Speaker 5: In terms of like we're the obviously when it rains, right,

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01:16:44,855 --> 01:16:47,655
Speaker 5: you've got the water that lands on your property, which

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01:16:47,735 --> 01:16:51,375
Speaker 5: is kind of your responsibility to control. But potentially you've

1329
01:16:51,415 --> 01:16:55,175
Speaker 5: got water that comes onto your property from adjacent properties

1330
01:16:55,455 --> 01:17:00,375
Speaker 5: or maybe even from the roadway. So what do you

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01:17:00,495 --> 01:17:01,575
Speaker 5: think is most likely?

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01:17:02,655 --> 01:17:05,655
Speaker 17: Well, the house insurance people from the AA said that

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01:17:05,855 --> 01:17:08,735
Speaker 17: because of the water table, it looks like most of

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01:17:08,815 --> 01:17:12,935
Speaker 17: the water is coming from the road, right.

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01:17:13,255 --> 01:17:15,815
Speaker 5: Okay, in which case, you know, you could make an

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01:17:15,935 --> 01:17:19,695
Speaker 5: argument that it is council's responsibility, through at or whoever,

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01:17:20,255 --> 01:17:23,335
Speaker 5: to ensure that the catch pits are right, that the

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01:17:23,615 --> 01:17:26,655
Speaker 5: curves are the right height, that the road shape doesn't

1339
01:17:26,735 --> 01:17:31,015
Speaker 5: inadvertently direct water onto your property. And this happens, right,

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01:17:31,095 --> 01:17:34,655
Speaker 5: And I think it happens recently frequently because I've seen

1341
01:17:34,735 --> 01:17:37,295
Speaker 5: it in other properties where they were inundated during the

1342
01:17:37,615 --> 01:17:41,735
Speaker 5: recent floods and in previous floods, simply because the road

1343
01:17:41,855 --> 01:17:45,335
Speaker 5: design ends up directing excess water directly onto their property.

1344
01:17:47,175 --> 01:17:50,215
Speaker 5: But at the same time, it's kind of with the

1345
01:17:50,255 --> 01:17:52,655
Speaker 5: greatest respect, it feels like going to a really busy

1346
01:17:52,775 --> 01:17:56,055
Speaker 5: bakery in Europe, taking a sticker, you know, a ticket

1347
01:17:56,135 --> 01:18:00,175
Speaker 5: and waiting in line. Because most councils, certainly Auckland Council,

1348
01:18:00,295 --> 01:18:05,255
Speaker 5: are just inundated with issues around flooding and stormwater control

1349
01:18:05,335 --> 01:18:09,295
Speaker 5: at the moment and trying to get for a year,

1350
01:18:09,935 --> 01:18:13,775
Speaker 5: yeah exactly. And you know, while it would be nice

1351
01:18:13,815 --> 01:18:16,375
Speaker 5: if they could act faster, I suppose I have a

1352
01:18:16,455 --> 01:18:19,415
Speaker 5: little bit of sympathy in the sense that this is

1353
01:18:19,535 --> 01:18:24,415
Speaker 5: a really significant problem that Auckland Council and all councils

1354
01:18:24,495 --> 01:18:28,455
Speaker 5: probably are dealing with, and you know it's going to

1355
01:18:28,535 --> 01:18:30,575
Speaker 5: take a long time and some of these things, you know,

1356
01:18:30,735 --> 01:18:32,975
Speaker 5: this is why we start and see the buyback scheme, right,

1357
01:18:33,455 --> 01:18:36,495
Speaker 5: some of these areas are not going to be habitable

1358
01:18:36,775 --> 01:18:41,295
Speaker 5: in the future because of flooding. That doesn't help you

1359
01:18:41,615 --> 01:18:46,175
Speaker 5: and so on. In terms of getting the attention of council.

1360
01:18:46,335 --> 01:18:48,975
Speaker 5: Maybe you do need to take what information you've got

1361
01:18:49,055 --> 01:18:51,375
Speaker 5: and the correspondence that you've had and go and see

1362
01:18:51,815 --> 01:18:54,935
Speaker 5: your local board member. I would suspect that right now

1363
01:18:55,015 --> 01:18:58,175
Speaker 5: they're particularly attentive because there's elections in a couple of

1364
01:18:58,215 --> 01:19:01,815
Speaker 5: months time, right so now is a great time to

1365
01:19:01,895 --> 01:19:05,015
Speaker 5: try and get the attention of a local community board

1366
01:19:05,055 --> 01:19:07,895
Speaker 5: member or your local counselor to get them to put

1367
01:19:07,935 --> 01:19:11,535
Speaker 5: a little bit of pressure on. Sometimes with bureaucracy, I

1368
01:19:11,655 --> 01:19:14,295
Speaker 5: found that you've got to build a relationship with someone

1369
01:19:14,375 --> 01:19:17,975
Speaker 5: in the bureaucracy and then kind of, you know, hope

1370
01:19:18,135 --> 01:19:21,335
Speaker 5: that they then listen to your concerns essentially before they

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01:19:21,415 --> 01:19:22,815
Speaker 5: listen to concerns of somebody else.

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Speaker 17: I mind, I don't mind doing that at all. The

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01:19:25,415 --> 01:19:29,335
Speaker 17: only thing I'm concerned about is if it isn't a

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01:19:29,455 --> 01:19:32,295
Speaker 17: council problem and this is where I can't get from

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01:19:32,335 --> 01:19:34,695
Speaker 17: the moment, and I do need to pay for it

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01:19:34,775 --> 01:19:37,895
Speaker 17: because it's my responsibility, then I'll save the money and

1377
01:19:38,015 --> 01:19:42,775
Speaker 17: do it. I need that clarification first, because I don't

1378
01:19:42,815 --> 01:19:44,975
Speaker 17: want to pay for it if it won't be fixed

1379
01:19:45,055 --> 01:19:47,615
Speaker 17: because of the water table, and then I've just wasted

1380
01:19:47,695 --> 01:19:51,935
Speaker 17: my money. But I need a definitive Yeah.

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01:19:51,895 --> 01:19:55,855
Speaker 5: I mean, look, you could go to an engineering firm

1382
01:19:55,935 --> 01:19:59,495
Speaker 5: that specialize in flooding and flood mitigation, and there's a

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01:19:59,535 --> 01:20:02,815
Speaker 5: few of those around and I'll leave you to do

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01:20:02,935 --> 01:20:06,255
Speaker 5: your own searching on that particular one, and heaven independent

1385
01:20:06,415 --> 01:20:09,735
Speaker 5: and assessment, and you know, someone experienced in this field.

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01:20:09,775 --> 01:20:12,095
Speaker 5: It might even be an experienced train lab for example,

1387
01:20:12,495 --> 01:20:14,415
Speaker 5: could come along and say, look, this is what I

1388
01:20:14,575 --> 01:20:17,055
Speaker 5: think is happening, and here is a solution. We're going to,

1389
01:20:17,655 --> 01:20:20,375
Speaker 5: you know, introduce a swale or we're going to put

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01:20:20,415 --> 01:20:23,495
Speaker 5: in some channel grates at the top of the property

1391
01:20:23,535 --> 01:20:25,735
Speaker 5: which will capture the water. But then we've got an

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01:20:25,775 --> 01:20:28,855
Speaker 5: issue where the stormwater line won't handle that. So we're

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01:20:28,855 --> 01:20:31,935
Speaker 5: going to upgrade the storm water because we know that

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01:20:32,055 --> 01:20:36,695
Speaker 5: the council line further down will cope with it in

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01:20:36,775 --> 01:20:40,375
Speaker 5: most cases, or will create a situation where water is

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01:20:40,495 --> 01:20:43,695
Speaker 5: diverted away, you know, with planting or with a retaining

1397
01:20:43,735 --> 01:20:45,975
Speaker 5: wall and something like that. So in the event that

1398
01:20:46,575 --> 01:20:51,055
Speaker 5: the storm water overwhelms the infrastructure, let's say the water

1399
01:20:51,295 --> 01:20:54,615
Speaker 5: is pushed away from the building. I went to a

1400
01:20:54,655 --> 01:20:56,975
Speaker 5: house yesterday actually to have a look at exactly that

1401
01:20:57,295 --> 01:21:00,895
Speaker 5: sort of issue. So yeah, there will be a solution.

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01:21:01,055 --> 01:21:05,255
Speaker 5: I wonder whether I think it's important to get expert advice.

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01:21:05,295 --> 01:21:08,655
Speaker 5: So I wonder whether if you ask around, maybe if

1404
01:21:08,655 --> 01:21:10,655
Speaker 5: you start with a drain layer who happens to work

1405
01:21:10,735 --> 01:21:14,735
Speaker 5: with like a drainage engineer, they might be able to come.

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01:21:15,015 --> 01:21:18,175
Speaker 5: The other part of this is there is now a

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01:21:18,335 --> 01:21:23,615
Speaker 5: new sort of division within Council called Healthy Waters, and

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01:21:24,055 --> 01:21:30,415
Speaker 5: that's specifically looking at storm water right in a different circumstance.

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01:21:30,495 --> 01:21:32,855
Speaker 5: I've had some dealings with them. I've actually found them

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01:21:32,935 --> 01:21:37,775
Speaker 5: to be incredibly helpful, and so just have a look

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01:21:37,815 --> 01:21:40,015
Speaker 5: through the council website see if you can find Healthy

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01:21:40,095 --> 01:21:42,055
Speaker 5: Waters and go to them directly.

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01:21:43,095 --> 01:21:43,535
Speaker 11: I will do.

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01:21:43,735 --> 01:21:45,695
Speaker 5: Thanks, look, thank you, good luck with all of that.

1415
01:21:45,975 --> 01:21:49,655
Speaker 5: Take care all the ust think right out now. After

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01:21:49,735 --> 01:21:52,935
Speaker 5: the break, we are going to be talking about property,

1417
01:21:53,495 --> 01:21:56,655
Speaker 5: specifically cross lease titles. What are they, where did they

1418
01:21:56,695 --> 01:21:59,695
Speaker 5: come from? What happens if you find out that there's

1419
01:21:59,935 --> 01:22:02,735
Speaker 5: what they call a defective title on a cross lea's

1420
01:22:02,775 --> 01:22:04,895
Speaker 5: how do you fix it? What's involved in that? What

1421
01:22:05,095 --> 01:22:08,015
Speaker 5: types of things do you need to do to address that.

1422
01:22:09,015 --> 01:22:10,895
Speaker 5: We're going to talk about that with Ben Thompson after

1423
01:22:10,975 --> 01:22:13,335
Speaker 5: eight o'clock. Remember, as always, we're into the garden with

1424
01:22:13,415 --> 01:22:15,975
Speaker 5: the climb passed from eight point thirty as well. He

1425
01:22:16,095 --> 01:22:17,735
Speaker 5: sent me a copy of the book that he's been

1426
01:22:17,815 --> 01:22:20,455
Speaker 5: involved in. It's fabulous, So we'll talk about that too.

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01:22:21,015 --> 01:22:23,015
Speaker 5: Back after the clock news.

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Speaker 9: Yeah right, yeah, down.

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01:22:32,135 --> 01:22:35,015
Speaker 1: Whether you're painty with ceiling, fixing the fence, or wondering

1430
01:22:35,055 --> 01:22:37,135
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall, give Peter

1431
01:22:37,215 --> 01:22:37,775
Speaker 1: wolf Cap a.

1432
01:22:37,815 --> 01:22:38,295
Speaker 7: Call on.

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01:22:39,935 --> 01:22:42,135
Speaker 4: Eighty the resident builder on News Talks.

1434
01:22:42,175 --> 01:22:44,815
Speaker 5: A b you were News Talk said, be Pete wolf

1435
01:22:44,855 --> 01:22:46,975
Speaker 5: Camp with you this morning. Remember at around eight thirty

1436
01:22:47,015 --> 01:22:49,415
Speaker 5: this morning, we'll jump into the garden with a climb

1437
01:22:49,535 --> 01:22:53,295
Speaker 5: past as always prior to then, and based off a

1438
01:22:53,615 --> 01:22:57,175
Speaker 5: phone call a couple of weeks ago, and over the

1439
01:22:57,255 --> 01:23:00,215
Speaker 5: eleven years now that I've been doing the show, questions

1440
01:23:00,255 --> 01:23:03,455
Speaker 5: around cross lease titles come up from time to time,

1441
01:23:04,855 --> 01:23:09,295
Speaker 5: particularly when the comes an issue somehow with the cross

1442
01:23:09,375 --> 01:23:12,455
Speaker 5: lease title, perhaps some building work that was done that

1443
01:23:12,655 --> 01:23:15,495
Speaker 5: hasn't been included in the title. And then in the

1444
01:23:15,575 --> 01:23:18,455
Speaker 5: conversation a couple of weeks ago there was discussion around

1445
01:23:18,895 --> 01:23:23,095
Speaker 5: a defective title, which sounds kind of ominous. And some

1446
01:23:23,215 --> 01:23:25,295
Speaker 5: people I know who have been involved in the purchase

1447
01:23:25,335 --> 01:23:28,455
Speaker 5: of a property where the adjoining property it was on

1448
01:23:28,535 --> 01:23:32,015
Speaker 5: a cross lease, did some work, didn't update the flats plan.

1449
01:23:32,135 --> 01:23:36,255
Speaker 5: It all seemed to get really complicated and seemingly really expensive,

1450
01:23:36,535 --> 01:23:39,615
Speaker 5: really quickly. So I thought we should talk to an expert.

1451
01:23:39,695 --> 01:23:41,695
Speaker 5: And as it happens, we've already talked to Ben on

1452
01:23:41,855 --> 01:23:44,815
Speaker 5: the show before, talking about property law. And it is

1453
01:23:44,895 --> 01:23:47,455
Speaker 5: my great pleasure to welcome back to the program Ben

1454
01:23:47,575 --> 01:23:51,455
Speaker 5: Thompson from Pidgeon Judge. And when I called you the

1455
01:23:51,535 --> 01:23:53,295
Speaker 5: other day and said, hey, do you know much about this?

1456
01:23:53,415 --> 01:23:55,575
Speaker 5: You went, I've just talked to the Law Society about it.

1457
01:23:55,655 --> 01:23:57,375
Speaker 5: So I can't think of a better person to ask

1458
01:23:57,455 --> 01:24:01,695
Speaker 5: questions about cross leases than Ben Thompson. Good morning, Hi Pe,

1459
01:24:02,895 --> 01:24:06,175
Speaker 5: very well, very well. And yes, it was seemed fortuitously

1460
01:24:06,335 --> 01:24:08,615
Speaker 5: that I've got exactly the right person to talk to.

1461
01:24:09,175 --> 01:24:13,015
Speaker 5: So let's do a potted history of I guess land

1462
01:24:13,175 --> 01:24:17,655
Speaker 5: ownership in the sense that I guess for hundreds of

1463
01:24:17,735 --> 01:24:22,135
Speaker 5: years we've issued title to an individual to own and

1464
01:24:22,255 --> 01:24:26,895
Speaker 5: occupy a piece of land. Then we started with cross leases.

1465
01:24:26,935 --> 01:24:29,255
Speaker 5: Where did cross leases come from? And why were they

1466
01:24:29,295 --> 01:24:30,455
Speaker 5: even a good idea?

1467
01:24:31,935 --> 01:24:35,255
Speaker 18: Yeah, well, they were invented in the nineteen sixties by

1468
01:24:35,335 --> 01:24:38,855
Speaker 18: a north Shore lawyer called Brian Mahn as a way

1469
01:24:39,015 --> 01:24:44,335
Speaker 18: to sort of evade subdivision restrictions at the time. So

1470
01:24:44,415 --> 01:24:47,695
Speaker 18: the unique to New Zealand, and they're sort of primarily recreated,

1471
01:24:47,735 --> 01:24:49,215
Speaker 18: and there's sort of a bit of a time walk

1472
01:24:49,255 --> 01:24:53,135
Speaker 18: between the sixties through to the Resource Management Act in

1473
01:24:53,255 --> 01:24:57,215
Speaker 18: nineteen ninety one, because the legislation in that sort of

1474
01:24:57,295 --> 01:25:00,735
Speaker 18: twenty thirty year period did enable you to create cross

1475
01:25:00,815 --> 01:25:03,455
Speaker 18: these titles without having to go through the same steps

1476
01:25:03,535 --> 01:25:08,175
Speaker 18: as you might ordinarily to subdivide the simple title. So

1477
01:25:08,935 --> 01:25:13,175
Speaker 18: the relatively popular there's about two hundred and sixteen thousand

1478
01:25:13,215 --> 01:25:16,055
Speaker 18: of them in New Zealand. About half of that are

1479
01:25:16,095 --> 01:25:19,935
Speaker 18: in Auckland. Obviously naturally they're in more intensive, more developed areas.

1480
01:25:21,375 --> 01:25:23,535
Speaker 18: So yeah, unique to New Zealand.

1481
01:25:24,255 --> 01:25:26,895
Speaker 5: So for people who might not be familiar with it,

1482
01:25:27,055 --> 01:25:29,695
Speaker 5: I can recall sort of back in the heyday of

1483
01:25:29,855 --> 01:25:32,775
Speaker 5: the late eighties early nineties, where where everyone was having

1484
01:25:32,815 --> 01:25:35,255
Speaker 5: a go at subdivisions and there were or not subdivisions

1485
01:25:35,295 --> 01:25:38,495
Speaker 5: cross leases. There were lots of you know, thousand square

1486
01:25:38,535 --> 01:25:42,215
Speaker 5: meter sites, right, so you bought something on a thousand

1487
01:25:42,255 --> 01:25:44,375
Speaker 5: square meters it had an old bungle at the front.

1488
01:25:44,975 --> 01:25:49,375
Speaker 5: You essentially went got a cross lease drawn up created

1489
01:25:49,415 --> 01:25:51,415
Speaker 5: a section at the back, you whacked on a new

1490
01:25:51,455 --> 01:25:54,455
Speaker 5: house at the back, and because you were the affected party,

1491
01:25:54,495 --> 01:25:56,735
Speaker 5: you could sign off on heightened relation to boundaries, all

1492
01:25:56,735 --> 01:25:59,015
Speaker 5: sorts of things. But the cross leases were really popular

1493
01:25:59,095 --> 01:26:02,655
Speaker 5: at that time as well. So can I assume from

1494
01:26:02,695 --> 01:26:06,175
Speaker 5: what you're saying is that it is not available anymore?

1495
01:26:06,215 --> 01:26:08,495
Speaker 5: So let's say you've got a thousand square meter site

1496
01:26:08,535 --> 01:26:11,455
Speaker 5: and you wanted to cross lease it. You can't.

1497
01:26:12,975 --> 01:26:15,815
Speaker 18: Well you can, it's been found to be unavailable, but

1498
01:26:15,895 --> 01:26:18,215
Speaker 18: you just it's just been deemed a form of subdivision

1499
01:26:18,255 --> 01:26:21,175
Speaker 18: under the definitions and the resource management X. So the

1500
01:26:21,695 --> 01:26:23,335
Speaker 18: steps that you would have to go through to create

1501
01:26:23,335 --> 01:26:26,015
Speaker 18: a cross police title nowadays is almost the same as

1502
01:26:26,055 --> 01:26:28,775
Speaker 18: if you were just subdividing the title ordinarily into a

1503
01:26:28,815 --> 01:26:31,575
Speaker 18: fee simple title or creating a unit title. So the

1504
01:26:31,655 --> 01:26:35,695
Speaker 18: advantages that it provided in that period are no longer

1505
01:26:35,775 --> 01:26:38,895
Speaker 18: there because you could get away with not having to say,

1506
01:26:38,975 --> 01:26:42,535
Speaker 18: for example, separate the services. So you're doing ass subdivision,

1507
01:26:42,895 --> 01:26:45,695
Speaker 18: you might not have to put in separate storm water, wastewater,

1508
01:26:46,215 --> 01:26:48,255
Speaker 18: drainage and so on down the driveway. You could have

1509
01:26:48,615 --> 01:26:51,615
Speaker 18: shared those resources because in effect, there was still one

1510
01:26:51,895 --> 01:26:55,575
Speaker 18: overall title. But yeah, like I said, in the early nineties,

1511
01:26:55,615 --> 01:26:58,535
Speaker 18: when moost legal changes came into place, the benefit of

1512
01:26:58,615 --> 01:27:01,095
Speaker 18: doing a cross leagues kind of evaporated. So it'll be

1513
01:27:01,175 --> 01:27:04,655
Speaker 18: quite rare to create one these days. It probably has happened,

1514
01:27:04,655 --> 01:27:05,895
Speaker 18: but would be unusual.

1515
01:27:07,175 --> 01:27:10,935
Speaker 5: Okay, So let's say you've got one, or you're interested

1516
01:27:11,015 --> 01:27:15,655
Speaker 5: in a property that is a cross leave situation. So again,

1517
01:27:15,695 --> 01:27:19,295
Speaker 5: if you're most familiar with Auckland, you know, you'll drive

1518
01:27:19,375 --> 01:27:22,255
Speaker 5: down a street, you'll see a bunch of nineteen sixties,

1519
01:27:22,375 --> 01:27:25,375
Speaker 5: nineteen seventies bricantile units. There might be two of them

1520
01:27:25,415 --> 01:27:28,015
Speaker 5: on with one driveway, there might be three, there might

1521
01:27:28,095 --> 01:27:31,215
Speaker 5: be four, and often they will be on a cross

1522
01:27:31,415 --> 01:27:36,855
Speaker 5: lease title. Correct, fairly typical. So let's say you buy

1523
01:27:36,975 --> 01:27:40,535
Speaker 5: one and then you decide that, gosh, it to be

1524
01:27:40,615 --> 01:27:44,095
Speaker 5: really good to just make a little addition here, and

1525
01:27:44,695 --> 01:27:46,935
Speaker 5: maybe you get a building consent for it, and so

1526
01:27:47,095 --> 01:27:50,175
Speaker 5: you add you know, a little work area, or you

1527
01:27:50,335 --> 01:27:53,015
Speaker 5: extend the laundry out and that sort of thing. What's

1528
01:27:53,135 --> 01:27:57,335
Speaker 5: the responsibility in terms of updating the cross lease title.

1529
01:27:58,535 --> 01:28:00,535
Speaker 18: Well, it depends on exactly what you're going to do.

1530
01:28:00,695 --> 01:28:03,375
Speaker 18: And all right, the specific nature of your cross leaves.

1531
01:28:03,815 --> 01:28:06,895
Speaker 18: But in a fact, when you've got that ties, you've

1532
01:28:07,135 --> 01:28:12,095
Speaker 18: leased to the external boundaries of the structure that was

1533
01:28:12,215 --> 01:28:14,735
Speaker 18: leased at debate the lease was registered, so whatever the

1534
01:28:14,775 --> 01:28:17,535
Speaker 18: original building was that the date the cross lease has created,

1535
01:28:17,935 --> 01:28:20,055
Speaker 18: you've only leased to the external boundaries of that. So

1536
01:28:20,135 --> 01:28:22,495
Speaker 18: that might be that Brita and Tole unit. So if

1537
01:28:22,535 --> 01:28:24,815
Speaker 18: you want to put on an extra story or an

1538
01:28:24,895 --> 01:28:28,255
Speaker 18: extra sleepout or something like that, then you don't actually

1539
01:28:28,495 --> 01:28:31,895
Speaker 18: own the area or lease the area that exists beyond that.

1540
01:28:32,175 --> 01:28:34,615
Speaker 18: So by doing that, you are creating a defect in

1541
01:28:34,695 --> 01:28:38,935
Speaker 18: your title because the area that that new addition is

1542
01:28:38,975 --> 01:28:41,055
Speaker 18: occupying is not something that you've got a lease to.

1543
01:28:41,855 --> 01:28:45,175
Speaker 18: You may own underlying fee simple and share with the

1544
01:28:45,295 --> 01:28:48,095
Speaker 18: other owners, but you don't have any lease rights in

1545
01:28:48,175 --> 01:28:51,935
Speaker 18: respect of that airspace or that area. So it's very

1546
01:28:51,975 --> 01:28:55,095
Speaker 18: important before you do that work to get the consent

1547
01:28:55,255 --> 01:28:58,415
Speaker 18: of your cross lease neighbors because virtually all cross leases

1548
01:28:58,455 --> 01:29:00,295
Speaker 18: will have a clause in there that says that you're

1549
01:29:00,295 --> 01:29:04,135
Speaker 18: not to undertake any structural alterations without getting the prior

1550
01:29:04,175 --> 01:29:08,255
Speaker 18: consent of the neighbor. So that's always going to be

1551
01:29:08,415 --> 01:29:10,015
Speaker 18: a good thing to get that consent to the neighbor.

1552
01:29:10,095 --> 01:29:12,375
Speaker 18: Whether you actually have to update the title will depend

1553
01:29:12,535 --> 01:29:14,655
Speaker 18: exactly on the nature of the work you do, because.

1554
01:29:14,455 --> 01:29:15,455
Speaker 11: You may not have to.

1555
01:29:15,815 --> 01:29:17,935
Speaker 18: Just putting a deck on may not require it. But

1556
01:29:18,775 --> 01:29:21,415
Speaker 18: like an enclosed building that's attached to the to the

1557
01:29:21,495 --> 01:29:23,815
Speaker 18: lease structure, yes, you would need to update the title

1558
01:29:23,895 --> 01:29:28,295
Speaker 18: to give to give it sort of perfect that defect in.

1559
01:29:28,415 --> 01:29:33,735
Speaker 5: Terms of asking permission. So the person that you need

1560
01:29:33,815 --> 01:29:35,975
Speaker 5: to let's say this, try and keep it a little

1561
01:29:35,975 --> 01:29:39,335
Speaker 5: bit simple. Let's say these two recontile units on a

1562
01:29:39,415 --> 01:29:43,335
Speaker 5: cross lease, there's A and B. B decides that they

1563
01:29:43,415 --> 01:29:47,535
Speaker 5: want to make an addition extend the living room out

1564
01:29:47,575 --> 01:29:50,015
Speaker 5: a little bit, and they go to A and say,

1565
01:29:50,095 --> 01:29:53,975
Speaker 5: this is our intention. Can we agree? Can A refuse

1566
01:29:54,695 --> 01:29:56,975
Speaker 5: to agree to a change to the cross leaves?

1567
01:29:58,495 --> 01:30:01,255
Speaker 18: The clause that governs it is in most cross leads

1568
01:30:01,415 --> 01:30:04,495
Speaker 18: is going to say that they can't unreasonably withhold their consent,

1569
01:30:04,935 --> 01:30:06,935
Speaker 18: And as you can imagine, there's a lot of debate

1570
01:30:07,095 --> 01:30:09,615
Speaker 18: over the sort of past thirty forty years about what

1571
01:30:09,815 --> 01:30:12,615
Speaker 18: that means. What when can you reasonably hold and when

1572
01:30:12,695 --> 01:30:15,055
Speaker 18: can you not reason? And reason we've hold. One of

1573
01:30:15,135 --> 01:30:17,575
Speaker 18: the issues across lease is the disputes are resolved by

1574
01:30:17,615 --> 01:30:20,655
Speaker 18: way of arbitration, which is a private form of dispute resolution,

1575
01:30:20,775 --> 01:30:22,735
Speaker 18: so there's not a huge amount of case law that's

1576
01:30:22,935 --> 01:30:25,255
Speaker 18: visible to the public to be able to understand what's

1577
01:30:25,295 --> 01:30:29,015
Speaker 18: been decided. But fortunately there was a case that came

1578
01:30:29,095 --> 01:30:31,895
Speaker 18: around on this exact question in the last couple of years,

1579
01:30:32,415 --> 01:30:36,415
Speaker 18: Marcelli versus Leo, and effectively that has moved to the

1580
01:30:36,495 --> 01:30:39,735
Speaker 18: goalpost more in terms of allowing for development, because we

1581
01:30:39,815 --> 01:30:44,455
Speaker 18: were since the nineties, people's interpretation was well, if the

1582
01:30:44,615 --> 01:30:47,495
Speaker 18: works that they were proposing had more than a trifling detriment,

1583
01:30:47,615 --> 01:30:50,015
Speaker 18: that was the words used by the judge, then they

1584
01:30:50,495 --> 01:30:53,815
Speaker 18: could they could withhold their consent. And what that meant

1585
01:30:53,935 --> 01:30:56,495
Speaker 18: that was quite a strict test because virtually everything we'd

1586
01:30:56,535 --> 01:30:59,495
Speaker 18: have more than a trifling detriment. But now since this

1587
01:30:59,655 --> 01:31:01,335
Speaker 18: recent case that we got a year or so ago,

1588
01:31:01,975 --> 01:31:04,375
Speaker 18: the test is a lot more I'd say a lot

1589
01:31:04,375 --> 01:31:07,975
Speaker 18: more fear. It's really along the lines of whether a

1590
01:31:08,095 --> 01:31:12,575
Speaker 18: reasonable lesson or a landlord would would agree to those

1591
01:31:12,655 --> 01:31:16,895
Speaker 18: works and would it i mean fundamentally injure their their interests.

1592
01:31:17,415 --> 01:31:20,575
Speaker 18: So it's no longer a trifling detriment test. It's more

1593
01:31:20,615 --> 01:31:23,055
Speaker 18: of like you know, reasonableness, and it's going to be

1594
01:31:23,215 --> 01:31:26,215
Speaker 18: a fact specific, but it certainly means that they have

1595
01:31:26,335 --> 01:31:29,895
Speaker 18: to act reasonably. And part of acting reasonably means you're

1596
01:31:29,895 --> 01:31:31,735
Speaker 18: going to have to provide reasons. So if you're going

1597
01:31:31,855 --> 01:31:33,695
Speaker 18: to say no, I'm not going to agree to that

1598
01:31:33,855 --> 01:31:37,375
Speaker 18: whatever the apartment B is proposing, a flat BEE is proposing,

1599
01:31:37,375 --> 01:31:39,295
Speaker 18: you're going to have to say, well, the reasons why

1600
01:31:39,335 --> 01:31:42,815
Speaker 18: I'm not agreeing at X y Z. And there might

1601
01:31:42,895 --> 01:31:45,255
Speaker 18: be things like it's going to interfere with my privacy

1602
01:31:45,375 --> 01:31:48,255
Speaker 18: obviously you're building an extra level or in affect my sunlight,

1603
01:31:48,975 --> 01:31:51,775
Speaker 18: or some actual real reason. It can't just be because

1604
01:31:51,815 --> 01:31:53,975
Speaker 18: you know, you're just have a you know, general minor

1605
01:31:54,055 --> 01:31:56,815
Speaker 18: disliked for what the person that's proposing the works work

1606
01:31:56,895 --> 01:31:59,855
Speaker 18: to you. So it's important to be reasoned. And if

1607
01:31:59,895 --> 01:32:02,735
Speaker 18: you're the person, like in your situation is a flat

1608
01:32:02,815 --> 01:32:05,535
Speaker 18: B and you get that feedback, it may be possible

1609
01:32:05,655 --> 01:32:08,615
Speaker 18: to you cater to that feedback to enable it might

1610
01:32:08,695 --> 01:32:11,175
Speaker 18: be sort of a back and forth type of situation,

1611
01:32:11,335 --> 01:32:14,735
Speaker 18: and I've certainly dealt with that with clients, where specifically

1612
01:32:14,815 --> 01:32:17,175
Speaker 18: with the sunlight one, you might then go to the

1613
01:32:17,655 --> 01:32:20,215
Speaker 18: architect and say, can you do some sun studies for

1614
01:32:20,375 --> 01:32:23,215
Speaker 18: me and actually project what the impact of these works

1615
01:32:23,215 --> 01:32:26,015
Speaker 18: would have on the neighbor. Yes, and you might find

1616
01:32:26,055 --> 01:32:30,375
Speaker 18: out that the complaint or their issue actually isn't going

1617
01:32:30,415 --> 01:32:32,215
Speaker 18: to be effective. They might it might be something they

1618
01:32:32,255 --> 01:32:34,255
Speaker 18: think will happen, but in reality it's not going to

1619
01:32:34,335 --> 01:32:36,695
Speaker 18: have that level of impact. So there might be ways

1620
01:32:36,695 --> 01:32:38,535
Speaker 18: to address it. And I think that's the way to

1621
01:32:38,615 --> 01:32:41,375
Speaker 18: approach it is more of a conversation, getting feedback back

1622
01:32:41,415 --> 01:32:43,935
Speaker 18: and forth. Can you tweak it? Can you address those concerns?

1623
01:32:44,375 --> 01:32:46,655
Speaker 18: And if you do that, it's going to be harder

1624
01:32:46,655 --> 01:32:49,255
Speaker 18: and harder for the sort of person in Flat A

1625
01:32:49,455 --> 01:32:51,935
Speaker 18: to actually ultimately hold out and not give their consent.

1626
01:32:54,295 --> 01:32:57,655
Speaker 5: Does it become and I guess logically it does. Let's

1627
01:32:57,695 --> 01:33:02,095
Speaker 5: say these four units on a cross least title in

1628
01:33:02,295 --> 01:33:05,655
Speaker 5: order for A to do something, would they need the

1629
01:33:05,735 --> 01:33:10,495
Speaker 5: agreement of the c n D or just the adjacent property.

1630
01:33:11,575 --> 01:33:13,775
Speaker 18: Yes, they would need it for all of them. They're

1631
01:33:13,775 --> 01:33:16,695
Speaker 18: all collectively termed the less ores, which is just legal

1632
01:33:16,735 --> 01:33:18,975
Speaker 18: worth for the landlords. Yea, all four of them are

1633
01:33:19,215 --> 01:33:23,615
Speaker 18: the landlords collectively. But if they are saying the design

1634
01:33:23,655 --> 01:33:25,655
Speaker 18: of the crosslease development is that there might be one

1635
01:33:25,695 --> 01:33:27,815
Speaker 18: house at the front and they sort of run in

1636
01:33:27,895 --> 01:33:29,695
Speaker 18: a row that four of them, which is quite a

1637
01:33:29,695 --> 01:33:32,655
Speaker 18: common layout actually on one long driveway one two, three,

1638
01:33:32,735 --> 01:33:35,015
Speaker 18: four yea well, and the one at the back is

1639
01:33:35,055 --> 01:33:36,215
Speaker 18: the one that's proposing to work.

1640
01:33:36,615 --> 01:33:36,735
Speaker 11: Well.

1641
01:33:36,815 --> 01:33:38,695
Speaker 18: Clearly, the two at the front they're not likely to

1642
01:33:38,735 --> 01:33:41,615
Speaker 18: ever really be impacted by whatever oposing at the back,

1643
01:33:41,655 --> 01:33:44,015
Speaker 18: so it'll be very difficult for them to withhold consent.

1644
01:33:44,415 --> 01:33:46,615
Speaker 18: The one immediately next to it, Okay, they might have

1645
01:33:46,775 --> 01:33:50,175
Speaker 18: genuine concerns about, you know, the increased size impact on

1646
01:33:50,295 --> 01:33:52,855
Speaker 18: like I say, sunlight, privacy, all that kind of stuff,

1647
01:33:53,215 --> 01:33:55,495
Speaker 18: whereas the ones at the front that they actually probably

1648
01:33:55,535 --> 01:33:58,095
Speaker 18: don't have a reasonable basis which can withhold. So whilst

1649
01:33:58,295 --> 01:34:00,415
Speaker 18: their consent is needed, it could well be a bit

1650
01:34:00,455 --> 01:34:03,655
Speaker 18: of a formality in terms of yeah, but they all

1651
01:34:03,695 --> 01:34:04,655
Speaker 18: do need to consent to it.

1652
01:34:05,015 --> 01:34:07,095
Speaker 5: Okay, we're going to take break and then when we

1653
01:34:07,175 --> 01:34:09,335
Speaker 5: come back on just talk about how do you fix

1654
01:34:09,495 --> 01:34:13,455
Speaker 5: a defective title. So Ben Thompson from Pigeon Judge is

1655
01:34:13,895 --> 01:34:16,295
Speaker 5: with me. We're talking about cross leases will be back

1656
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1657
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Speaker 5: Joining me this morning on the program has been Thompson,

1679
01:35:25,015 --> 01:35:28,375
Speaker 5: who is a property lawyer specializing in all things properly,

1680
01:35:28,415 --> 01:35:32,415
Speaker 5: but particularly cross leases as well. So Ben, actually, quick text,

1681
01:35:32,495 --> 01:35:35,335
Speaker 5: here's a classic sort of example. Can you check from

1682
01:35:35,415 --> 01:35:38,575
Speaker 5: a text text has come in, can you change a

1683
01:35:38,695 --> 01:35:41,615
Speaker 5: window to a ranch slider on a cross lease home?

1684
01:35:41,775 --> 01:35:43,695
Speaker 5: If you don't change the height or the width of

1685
01:35:43,735 --> 01:35:45,895
Speaker 5: the window, my builder says, it's okay.

1686
01:35:48,015 --> 01:35:53,415
Speaker 18: Well, that specific example was what came about in the

1687
01:35:53,735 --> 01:35:58,295
Speaker 18: case where the trifling detriment wow train phraseology came it.

1688
01:35:58,895 --> 01:36:00,615
Speaker 18: It was on the North Shore and someone was basically

1689
01:36:00,735 --> 01:36:04,015
Speaker 18: they had existing war with normal windows and they wanted

1690
01:36:04,015 --> 01:36:07,695
Speaker 18: to converted to a ranch slider. The neighbor was wanting

1691
01:36:07,735 --> 01:36:09,815
Speaker 18: to refuse this consent because they say, well, now it's

1692
01:36:09,815 --> 01:36:11,095
Speaker 18: going to look out onto us, and we're going to

1693
01:36:11,135 --> 01:36:12,575
Speaker 18: have people coming and going, and it's going to be

1694
01:36:12,655 --> 01:36:16,255
Speaker 18: noise and all the rest of it. I think the

1695
01:36:16,415 --> 01:36:20,175
Speaker 18: question is is, you know, does that perform a sort

1696
01:36:20,215 --> 01:36:24,015
Speaker 18: of structural functionality with the building, because remember you need

1697
01:36:24,055 --> 01:36:26,415
Speaker 18: to only get consent to structural alterations, so you need

1698
01:36:26,455 --> 01:36:28,895
Speaker 18: to determine whether it's structural or not. I tend to

1699
01:36:28,975 --> 01:36:32,135
Speaker 18: think if you are removing when I'm putting a round slider,

1700
01:36:32,255 --> 01:36:36,015
Speaker 18: it probably would be considered structural. So the safest thing

1701
01:36:36,095 --> 01:36:37,855
Speaker 18: to do would be to get the consent of the

1702
01:36:37,935 --> 01:36:40,895
Speaker 18: cross loose neighbor. You're not going to have to update

1703
01:36:40,935 --> 01:36:42,735
Speaker 18: your title, You're not going to have to incur large

1704
01:36:42,775 --> 01:36:44,375
Speaker 18: amount of legal costs. You're just going to have to

1705
01:36:44,455 --> 01:36:47,135
Speaker 18: literally ask your neighbor to you mind and consent to it.

1706
01:36:47,575 --> 01:36:50,015
Speaker 18: I mean ideally you would get them to sign off

1707
01:36:50,055 --> 01:36:51,975
Speaker 18: and that in writing, so you can keep that with

1708
01:36:52,055 --> 01:36:54,175
Speaker 18: your documents. When you sell the property, you can prove

1709
01:36:54,215 --> 01:36:56,935
Speaker 18: that you've got the consent to it, and that probably

1710
01:36:56,975 --> 01:36:58,975
Speaker 18: should be the end of the matter, because it's unlikely

1711
01:36:59,135 --> 01:37:02,575
Speaker 18: the neighbor could have reasonable grounds to object unless, for example,

1712
01:37:02,615 --> 01:37:05,615
Speaker 18: where you're doing it is exactly you know, overlooking them

1713
01:37:05,775 --> 01:37:09,255
Speaker 18: or something like that, so you're reorientating the outdoor living

1714
01:37:09,335 --> 01:37:12,775
Speaker 18: area of the house or something along those lines. But yeah, yeah,

1715
01:37:12,895 --> 01:37:14,815
Speaker 18: I would suggest you do get it in that situation.

1716
01:37:15,575 --> 01:37:15,815
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1717
01:37:17,215 --> 01:37:20,135
Speaker 5: Actually, just leading into the whole question around defective titles,

1718
01:37:20,175 --> 01:37:23,175
Speaker 5: here's another text. I purchased a property that had the

1719
01:37:23,215 --> 01:37:26,415
Speaker 5: addition of a deck. I got letters of approval from

1720
01:37:26,575 --> 01:37:29,855
Speaker 5: number two and number three prior to purchasing. However, both

1721
01:37:29,895 --> 01:37:33,135
Speaker 5: of those properties have now changed hands. So does it

1722
01:37:33,335 --> 01:37:37,495
Speaker 5: remain defective? Are the letters of approval not worth the

1723
01:37:37,575 --> 01:37:39,575
Speaker 5: paper they're written on. Please can you ask?

1724
01:37:39,655 --> 01:37:39,775
Speaker 3: Well?

1725
01:37:39,815 --> 01:37:43,935
Speaker 5: I can, so in that instance there does.

1726
01:37:44,255 --> 01:37:48,135
Speaker 18: Well, yeah, well, decks aren't necessarily might be something that

1727
01:37:48,215 --> 01:37:50,535
Speaker 18: requires the plan to be updated. So, and the reason

1728
01:37:50,615 --> 01:37:52,735
Speaker 18: for that is the standard sale and Purchase agreement that

1729
01:37:52,895 --> 01:37:55,215
Speaker 18: we all pretty much use when we're buying selling property

1730
01:37:55,255 --> 01:37:59,575
Speaker 18: in New Zealand has clauses around requisition of titles, and

1731
01:37:59,695 --> 01:38:02,415
Speaker 18: it talks about how if you've got a cross least

1732
01:38:02,455 --> 01:38:04,615
Speaker 18: title and there are additions to the title that are

1733
01:38:04,615 --> 01:38:07,575
Speaker 18: outside the least areas, there might be a requirement on

1734
01:38:07,695 --> 01:38:11,095
Speaker 18: the vendor to correct that for settlement and deposit a

1735
01:38:11,175 --> 01:38:14,455
Speaker 18: new plan, which will be costly expensive and cause delay. However,

1736
01:38:14,655 --> 01:38:18,375
Speaker 18: they are they edited in a sort of qualification on

1737
01:38:18,495 --> 01:38:21,455
Speaker 18: that by saying alternations to the external dimensions of any

1738
01:38:21,535 --> 01:38:24,295
Speaker 18: lease structure, so will only mean alterations which are attached

1739
01:38:24,335 --> 01:38:27,015
Speaker 18: to the leaf structure and enclosed. So they have to

1740
01:38:27,055 --> 01:38:29,495
Speaker 18: be attached and they have to be enclosed. So like

1741
01:38:29,615 --> 01:38:31,695
Speaker 18: an open car port, as long as it's on your

1742
01:38:31,775 --> 01:38:34,975
Speaker 18: exclusive use area, yes you need to consent to the neighbors,

1743
01:38:35,095 --> 01:38:37,615
Speaker 18: but you're not going to have to necessarily update the title.

1744
01:38:37,935 --> 01:38:40,335
Speaker 18: The same would apply to a deck, so you need

1745
01:38:40,455 --> 01:38:43,655
Speaker 18: to get that consent, but you don't necessarily have to

1746
01:38:43,735 --> 01:38:46,495
Speaker 18: update the plan in this situation. From the text there,

1747
01:38:46,535 --> 01:38:48,575
Speaker 18: it's like, well, they've already got the consent from the

1748
01:38:48,695 --> 01:38:50,815
Speaker 18: landlords at the time it was done, and as long

1749
01:38:50,855 --> 01:38:53,015
Speaker 18: as they keep records of that, that's going to be sufficient,

1750
01:38:53,095 --> 01:38:56,455
Speaker 18: because any incoming purchaser is going to be bound by

1751
01:38:56,495 --> 01:38:59,815
Speaker 18: the decision that was taken prior to them coming onto

1752
01:38:59,895 --> 01:39:02,375
Speaker 18: the title, and in fact, they probably should have been

1753
01:39:02,415 --> 01:39:05,055
Speaker 18: disclosed to them by the former owner of the flat

1754
01:39:05,095 --> 01:39:05,695
Speaker 18: that they've bought.

1755
01:39:06,535 --> 01:39:07,535
Speaker 11: That's an issue between them.

1756
01:39:07,655 --> 01:39:09,735
Speaker 18: It doesn't concern you because you've already got your deck

1757
01:39:09,815 --> 01:39:11,415
Speaker 18: and it was approved at the time you put it in.

1758
01:39:12,055 --> 01:39:16,135
Speaker 5: Okay, that's that's reasonlutely clear in terms of you know,

1759
01:39:16,215 --> 01:39:18,335
Speaker 5: if there is an issue and we're calling it a

1760
01:39:18,375 --> 01:39:25,055
Speaker 5: depictive title, the just or updating the title, what's involved there?

1761
01:39:25,175 --> 01:39:28,895
Speaker 5: Who's involved? Is it a surveyor is it legal? What's

1762
01:39:28,975 --> 01:39:29,535
Speaker 5: the process?

1763
01:39:30,655 --> 01:39:30,855
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1764
01:39:30,935 --> 01:39:34,975
Speaker 18: Both, so, I mean the surveyor is you know, in

1765
01:39:35,055 --> 01:39:36,615
Speaker 18: some of these guys they do a lot of this

1766
01:39:36,775 --> 01:39:39,335
Speaker 18: type of work and they're really quite helpful and you know,

1767
01:39:39,575 --> 01:39:43,175
Speaker 18: confirming exactly the process and what's required. Yes, But yeah,

1768
01:39:43,295 --> 01:39:46,815
Speaker 18: if say we've added on an extra bedroom. I mean

1769
01:39:46,895 --> 01:39:49,135
Speaker 18: before doing the work. You hopefully you've gone and got

1770
01:39:49,175 --> 01:39:51,535
Speaker 18: the consent of the maylors before you've done that. And

1771
01:39:51,695 --> 01:39:55,255
Speaker 18: so once that work is complete and you've got your

1772
01:39:55,295 --> 01:39:57,655
Speaker 18: code of compliance certificate for doing it, you're then going

1773
01:39:57,735 --> 01:39:59,415
Speaker 18: to say to the surveyor, right, we now need to

1774
01:39:59,415 --> 01:40:02,215
Speaker 18: plot this on the flats plan. Surveyor is going to

1775
01:40:02,415 --> 01:40:06,895
Speaker 18: deposit a new flats plan that will depict that, and effectively,

1776
01:40:06,975 --> 01:40:09,495
Speaker 18: what we then have to do is surrender the existing lease.

1777
01:40:09,535 --> 01:40:11,255
Speaker 18: Because bear in mind I said earlier on how the

1778
01:40:11,375 --> 01:40:13,535
Speaker 18: lease is only to the external boundaries of the building

1779
01:40:13,575 --> 01:40:15,495
Speaker 18: that the date is registered. So the old one no

1780
01:40:15,655 --> 01:40:17,575
Speaker 18: longer works. So you're going to have to deposit a

1781
01:40:17,655 --> 01:40:19,695
Speaker 18: new one or go to the external boundaries of this

1782
01:40:19,855 --> 01:40:24,215
Speaker 18: new defined area, and that will effectively create yourself a

1783
01:40:24,295 --> 01:40:27,495
Speaker 18: new title which gives ownership of all of those editions.

1784
01:40:28,335 --> 01:40:29,815
Speaker 18: The process of doing it, you're going to have to

1785
01:40:29,895 --> 01:40:32,655
Speaker 18: get the consent from the mortgagees not just of your title,

1786
01:40:32,735 --> 01:40:35,535
Speaker 18: but all of the other cross leases. Again, it's more

1787
01:40:35,535 --> 01:40:37,375
Speaker 18: of a formality, but it is a step that you

1788
01:40:37,495 --> 01:40:39,615
Speaker 18: have to go through so that you know a little

1789
01:40:39,615 --> 01:40:40,735
Speaker 18: bit of legal costs involved.

1790
01:40:40,775 --> 01:40:40,935
Speaker 11: With that.

1791
01:40:41,175 --> 01:40:43,695
Speaker 10: Yeah, so it is it is.

1792
01:40:43,815 --> 01:40:45,855
Speaker 18: Something to you know, take into account before you do

1793
01:40:45,975 --> 01:40:49,095
Speaker 18: these types of works. But the process of updating the title,

1794
01:40:49,135 --> 01:40:51,015
Speaker 18: providing everyone's on board in it and there isn't a

1795
01:40:51,055 --> 01:40:53,535
Speaker 18: dispute about the works that you've done, it is, you know,

1796
01:40:53,735 --> 01:40:58,455
Speaker 18: fairly straightforward and so yeah, and add value to your property,

1797
01:40:58,495 --> 01:41:01,455
Speaker 18: of course, because clearly without that, when you go to

1798
01:41:01,495 --> 01:41:03,295
Speaker 18: sell your property, you're going to get yourself into a

1799
01:41:03,375 --> 01:41:06,015
Speaker 18: bit of trouble and you potentially might be ruling yourself

1800
01:41:06,055 --> 01:41:08,895
Speaker 18: out out of a pool of buyers because anyone's buying

1801
01:41:08,975 --> 01:41:11,295
Speaker 18: with a mortgage that requires insurance and the rest of it,

1802
01:41:11,335 --> 01:41:13,535
Speaker 18: it's probably not able to buy across these title where

1803
01:41:13,535 --> 01:41:15,855
Speaker 18: there's unconsented additions that are to pick us on the

1804
01:41:15,895 --> 01:41:16,335
Speaker 18: flats plan.

1805
01:41:17,375 --> 01:41:17,535
Speaker 4: Right.

1806
01:41:18,015 --> 01:41:20,815
Speaker 5: So the advice, and this is general advice obviously, is

1807
01:41:20,975 --> 01:41:24,735
Speaker 5: if you are the owner or of a property that

1808
01:41:24,815 --> 01:41:27,175
Speaker 5: has cross lease and that's head work done with a

1809
01:41:27,215 --> 01:41:30,775
Speaker 5: flats plan hasn't been updated, you should really do that

1810
01:41:30,935 --> 01:41:33,135
Speaker 5: before you sell, because it's going to be more difficult

1811
01:41:33,135 --> 01:41:33,495
Speaker 5: to sell.

1812
01:41:35,295 --> 01:41:36,255
Speaker 11: You need to front foot it.

1813
01:41:36,415 --> 01:41:38,575
Speaker 18: So certainly, even just pick up the phone and talk

1814
01:41:38,615 --> 01:41:41,495
Speaker 18: to your lawyer or someone that's experienced these things beforehand

1815
01:41:41,575 --> 01:41:43,295
Speaker 18: and say oh, I've got this, and you know it

1816
01:41:43,375 --> 01:41:45,175
Speaker 18: might be the case you don't need to do anything,

1817
01:41:45,655 --> 01:41:48,055
Speaker 18: but if you do, then you need to allow yourself

1818
01:41:48,135 --> 01:41:50,495
Speaker 18: that clear window of time to be able to go

1819
01:41:50,655 --> 01:41:53,935
Speaker 18: through the motion to get things perfected. So you don't

1820
01:41:53,935 --> 01:41:55,735
Speaker 18: want to be put in a situation where you go

1821
01:41:55,775 --> 01:41:57,415
Speaker 18: into auction and all this has come up all of

1822
01:41:57,455 --> 01:41:59,135
Speaker 18: a sudden, because all it's going to do is to

1823
01:41:59,175 --> 01:42:02,815
Speaker 18: press the price, because, like I say, if people are

1824
01:42:02,975 --> 01:42:05,415
Speaker 18: buying with mortgages, you're not going to be able to

1825
01:42:05,655 --> 01:42:08,535
Speaker 18: buy these things unless these things are tracted. So it's

1826
01:42:08,575 --> 01:42:11,895
Speaker 18: effectively ruling them ount of them, reducing the size of

1827
01:42:12,215 --> 01:42:14,815
Speaker 18: the tool of purchases that can buy your property. So yeah,

1828
01:42:14,855 --> 01:42:17,335
Speaker 18: you want to get ahead of time and say so

1829
01:42:17,375 --> 01:42:20,775
Speaker 18: if you think you're selling next summer, you might sort

1830
01:42:20,815 --> 01:42:23,575
Speaker 18: of start thinking about it now and say, okay, what

1831
01:42:23,695 --> 01:42:25,975
Speaker 18: would need to be done if we need to do something,

1832
01:42:26,215 --> 01:42:28,335
Speaker 18: And then you know, when you go to the sale process,

1833
01:42:28,495 --> 01:42:31,015
Speaker 18: you know that you're all you know, these surprises aren't

1834
01:42:31,015 --> 01:42:31,535
Speaker 18: going to come up.

1835
01:42:32,255 --> 01:42:37,295
Speaker 5: Yeah, it has opened a whole can of worms, which

1836
01:42:37,335 --> 01:42:42,015
Speaker 5: is not unexpected. So I think maybe if it's all

1837
01:42:42,055 --> 01:42:43,735
Speaker 5: right with you, we might get you back on and

1838
01:42:43,855 --> 01:42:46,975
Speaker 5: reasonably short notice to go through some of these individual

1839
01:42:47,095 --> 01:42:51,295
Speaker 5: texts that are coming in. I find it a fascinating thing.

1840
01:42:51,335 --> 01:42:55,935
Speaker 5: It's interesting your earlier comment around these are now less common,

1841
01:42:56,695 --> 01:43:00,855
Speaker 5: or in fact almost we don't use them any more

1842
01:43:01,255 --> 01:43:03,815
Speaker 5: as a way of doing subdivisions. We tend to just

1843
01:43:03,895 --> 01:43:05,655
Speaker 5: go subdivisions rather than cross Lea's.

1844
01:43:06,895 --> 01:43:09,095
Speaker 18: Well, they are, they are less common. There certainly a

1845
01:43:09,175 --> 01:43:09,695
Speaker 18: lot of them.

1846
01:43:09,775 --> 01:43:10,655
Speaker 5: There is a lot of them.

1847
01:43:10,735 --> 01:43:13,055
Speaker 18: Sort of there's an element of a ticking time bomb

1848
01:43:13,175 --> 01:43:16,335
Speaker 18: to them because they're all created at that period of time,

1849
01:43:16,775 --> 01:43:20,015
Speaker 18: you know, most commonly the seventies safe for example, and buildings,

1850
01:43:20,055 --> 01:43:22,575
Speaker 18: as you know, only have a sort of finite lifespan.

1851
01:43:22,975 --> 01:43:24,735
Speaker 18: You know, even a well built building in that era

1852
01:43:24,895 --> 01:43:28,335
Speaker 18: may only be designed to last fifty years. So we're

1853
01:43:28,375 --> 01:43:31,495
Speaker 18: now approaching a time, you know, some fifty sixty years

1854
01:43:31,575 --> 01:43:34,055
Speaker 18: on where a lot of these buildings are perhaps no

1855
01:43:34,175 --> 01:43:36,735
Speaker 18: longer fit for purpose, if they haven't been repaired and

1856
01:43:36,815 --> 01:43:40,535
Speaker 18: maintained well. It may no longer be economically viable to

1857
01:43:40,855 --> 01:43:43,855
Speaker 18: repair them anymore, and they may need to be demolished

1858
01:43:43,895 --> 01:43:47,295
Speaker 18: and rebuilt. Yes, in a Crossley situation is actually really

1859
01:43:47,375 --> 01:43:51,295
Speaker 18: quite difficult because you can potentially be constrained by the

1860
01:43:51,455 --> 01:43:53,495
Speaker 18: you know, the design and the footprint and the volume

1861
01:43:53,535 --> 01:43:56,695
Speaker 18: of what was there before, which clearly is not going

1862
01:43:56,775 --> 01:44:00,175
Speaker 18: to be economically possible to build the exact same building

1863
01:44:00,215 --> 01:44:04,535
Speaker 18: again fifty years on. So there is even though we're

1864
01:44:04,575 --> 01:44:06,655
Speaker 18: not creating new prossly is the fact that there's over

1865
01:44:06,695 --> 01:44:09,815
Speaker 18: two hundred thousand of them and they're due to last

1866
01:44:09,895 --> 01:44:12,615
Speaker 18: for nine hundred ninety nine years means that the issues

1867
01:44:12,655 --> 01:44:14,655
Speaker 18: that we encounter with them aren't going to go away.

1868
01:44:14,855 --> 01:44:18,655
Speaker 18: So yeah, there will continue to be a sort of

1869
01:44:18,735 --> 01:44:23,375
Speaker 18: hot topic of conversation. And government has previously considered whether

1870
01:44:23,455 --> 01:44:26,415
Speaker 18: they should be a conversion process to be simple or

1871
01:44:26,495 --> 01:44:28,975
Speaker 18: unit titles and a cost effective way of doing that,

1872
01:44:29,175 --> 01:44:31,935
Speaker 18: and the Law Commission recommended that in the sort of

1873
01:44:32,695 --> 01:44:35,375
Speaker 18: ut for you the late two thousands, and they drafted

1874
01:44:35,375 --> 01:44:37,375
Speaker 18: a bill to enable it, but it's never been adopted

1875
01:44:37,415 --> 01:44:40,135
Speaker 18: by any government yet. It's not really considered a sort

1876
01:44:40,175 --> 01:44:43,775
Speaker 18: of hot topic or a boat winner, but it's yeah,

1877
01:44:44,015 --> 01:44:47,495
Speaker 18: the ideas there to potentially do that. We might get

1878
01:44:47,495 --> 01:44:49,895
Speaker 18: to a situation where that's required in the next you know,

1879
01:44:50,455 --> 01:44:51,695
Speaker 18: twenty years, I'm not sure, but.

1880
01:44:53,495 --> 01:44:58,495
Speaker 5: Absolutely fascinating. Okay, So Caution is the important word here

1881
01:44:58,775 --> 01:45:02,295
Speaker 5: that you know, and one of those things. Don't ignore it.

1882
01:45:02,495 --> 01:45:05,455
Speaker 5: If there's something with the title that is defective or

1883
01:45:05,655 --> 01:45:08,175
Speaker 5: you've got concern, it's about talk to your lawyer. Make

1884
01:45:08,215 --> 01:45:10,215
Speaker 5: sure you get it sorted out, either before you sell

1885
01:45:10,775 --> 01:45:13,575
Speaker 5: or certainly before you buy something that might have a

1886
01:45:13,815 --> 01:45:14,655
Speaker 5: defective title.

1887
01:45:15,775 --> 01:45:18,375
Speaker 18: Yeah, absolutely I could agree more with that.

1888
01:45:18,775 --> 01:45:21,695
Speaker 5: Really appreciate your time, Thank you very much this morning,

1889
01:45:22,215 --> 01:45:25,215
Speaker 5: Ben Thompson from Pidgeon Judge. Really appreciate it. We will,

1890
01:45:25,375 --> 01:45:26,975
Speaker 5: if it's okay with you, get you back on the

1891
01:45:27,015 --> 01:45:31,255
Speaker 5: show fairly soon, I think. Much appreciated. Take care of bit,

1892
01:45:31,415 --> 01:45:36,655
Speaker 5: all the best. Yeah, there's there's so many questions about it,

1893
01:45:36,775 --> 01:45:38,535
Speaker 5: so I think we will will try and get Ben

1894
01:45:38,815 --> 01:45:41,855
Speaker 5: back and hit the text much earlier on. We'll do

1895
01:45:41,935 --> 01:45:44,175
Speaker 5: that right, let's jump into the garden. We're a little

1896
01:45:44,175 --> 01:45:47,375
Speaker 5: bit behind time. My apologies. I'm sure he will forgive

1897
01:45:47,455 --> 01:45:49,375
Speaker 5: me because he did see me a book this week

1898
01:45:49,415 --> 01:45:51,255
Speaker 5: and we'll talk about that in just a moment.

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01:45:52,135 --> 01:45:56,015
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