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Speaker 1: big names, the big issues, the big controversies, and the

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Speaker 1: big conversations. It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: on your home of Sport News Talks.

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Speaker 2: Ed B.

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Speaker 3: At Caudi. Good afternoon and welcome into the Saturday edition

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Speaker 3: of Weekend Sport on News Talks Edby August twenty four,

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Speaker 3: thirteen years since we lost one of the all time

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Speaker 3: greats of sports broadcasting. Oh wait, comes Tana Umager.

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Speaker 4: He's free the pastor kaa kata runs under the tack,

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Speaker 4: through the tackle of Hanson.

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Speaker 3: He's dropping them. He's striding out. He goes through Robinson,

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Speaker 3: jail and time.

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Speaker 4: And the tackle to the man who's had such a

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Speaker 4: dreadful week.

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Speaker 3: He's stopped a.

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Speaker 4: Right back at the Lions.

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Speaker 3: That's five pointer.

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Speaker 4: Tend to the left for the upright Tana Umager.

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Speaker 3: Are you are sensational? Doyana looking outside him?

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Speaker 4: Oh, kick and chase the caror is it he's Daniell?

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Speaker 5: Try?

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Speaker 3: How is Daniel Carter out on the right wing? The

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Speaker 3: kick and chase the cover.

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Speaker 4: And the bounce goes his way, almost dutiful.

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Speaker 3: Try Yeah, the unmistakable voice of Graham Moody Moods who

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Speaker 3: tragically passed away while doing one of the things he

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Speaker 3: loved the most, surfing. August twenty four, twenty eleven. Fondly remembered,

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Speaker 3: never forgotten. I'm Jason Pine, Andy McDonald's show producer. We're

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Speaker 3: here until three talking sport. No contest, absolutely no contest

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Speaker 3: for the biggest sports story of the week. It was

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Speaker 3: announced on Thursday, Leon McDonald was leaving his role as

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Speaker 3: an All Black's assistant coach.

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Speaker 6: Just over the period of time since we started coaching together,

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Speaker 6: we just feel like hasn't quite clicked. We just quite

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Speaker 6: heaven wind up where we need to on the rugby

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Speaker 6: side of its bocause we're really hard. He just got

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Speaker 6: to this point now.

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Speaker 3: That's Scott Robinson of course, Jeff Wilson standing by to

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Speaker 3: chat with us on this. I'm very keen to chew

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Speaker 3: this over with you as well, and any possible on

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Speaker 3: field implications you foresee as the All Blacks face a

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Speaker 3: massive challenge over the next two weekends in South Africa.

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Speaker 3: Also today, Sean Johnson has played his final home game

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Speaker 3: for the Warriors, Unfortunately they've been unable to send them

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Speaker 3: off with a win. At the temporarily named Sewn Johnson

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Speaker 3: Stadium last night, going down to the Bulldogs thirty four

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Speaker 3: or eighteen. The Warriors twelve mil up after fifteen minutes,

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Speaker 3: the Bulldogs romp home keep their top four hopes alive.

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Speaker 3: I do want to pay tribute though, to Shawn Johnson

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Speaker 3: this afternoon. Your best memories, your favorite moments, any personal

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Speaker 3: interactions you might have had with Seawn Johnson. One of

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Speaker 3: his first teammates of the Warriors was Michael Luck. You

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Speaker 3: might remember him cult hero at the He's with us

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Speaker 3: after one to put Sewan Johnson's career in context. Other

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Speaker 3: matters around today, the Paralympics getting closer. They start next weekend.

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Speaker 3: Long jumper and sprinter Anna Grimaldi one of our flag bearers.

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Speaker 3: She's looking to become just the third New Zealander to

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Speaker 3: win three consecutive Paralympic gold medals and track and field.

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Speaker 3: She is with us after two. Going to check in

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Speaker 3: with ASB Tennis Classic Tournament director Nicholas lamper In this

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Speaker 3: afternoon and All Whites coach Darren Baizley's on the show

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Speaker 3: ahead of two big games next month against Mexico and

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Speaker 3: the United States. Adam Peacock out of Australia, of course,

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Speaker 1: on eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pine News talksb.

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Speaker 3: SO announced on Thursday round lunchtime that Leon McDonald was

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Speaker 3: Robertson have been having some robust but constructive discussions on

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Speaker 3: so they've mutually agreed to part ways. Here is New

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Speaker 3: Zealand Rugby's head of the professional game, Chris Lendrum, speaking

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I think, as I said, the conversations have

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Speaker 7: as I say, they've they've made a really brave and

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Speaker 7: bold early decision and the best interest of the team

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Speaker 3: Former All Blacks legend and co host of The Breakdown

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Speaker 3: a surprise to you when you heard the.

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Speaker 5: News finally, absolutely, you know, like what five test matches

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Speaker 8: You know, the All Blacks were.

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Speaker 5: Certainly moving forward. They had a really impressive second performance

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Speaker 8: Going to go.

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Speaker 5: But now once the news broke surprise, then you hear

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Speaker 8: Clearly they wanted to go in.

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Speaker 5: A different direction. There's no doubt. You know, they've worked

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Speaker 5: So whether or not they felt they needed to reduce

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Speaker 5: They felt as though it was the voice they didn't

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Speaker 3: You've been traveling around obviously covering the All Blacks and

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Speaker 9: Oh no, not at all.

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Speaker 5: But this is a really high pressure environment and you

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Speaker 5: It's clearly just like say, a different opinion on where

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Speaker 5: And now you get the sense that with the personalities

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Speaker 5: And look, I think if you talk to Scott Robertson himself,

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Speaker 5: So not some subtle changes it's going to get tested

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Speaker 3: Are there's still too many voices.

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Speaker 5: Look, I went back and compared just just you know,

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Speaker 5: think this has been more around, you know, I think

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Speaker 5: I don't think they're like that they've got too many

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Speaker 5: I think this has been learning experience for Scott Robertson

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Speaker 5: and responsibilities and just how hard it is to prepare

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Speaker 3: There were far fewer voices, you know when you were

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Speaker 3: playing for the All Blacks. But were you an environment

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Speaker 5: Well, we only ever had like three coaches Max, So

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Speaker 5: there was two or three guys that was it, you know,

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Speaker 5: and that's you know, you're talking about that the heart

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Speaker 5: they do a lot of the stret explaining what world

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Speaker 5: of getting all of those.

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Speaker 9: Opinions and work together.

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Speaker 5: And we've also got a new leadership group that's trying

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Speaker 5: You know, you have to be very very clear on

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Speaker 3: Just for you go Bunnings MPC carries on no all

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Speaker 3: Good on you, Jeff. Always love chanting rugby. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: How are you Craig, good afternoon, how's it going good?

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Speaker 11: I've got a query for you as a saying you producer.

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Speaker 3: Be twelve twenty nine talking the Allback's coaching staff and

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Speaker 3: there to chat, and at some stage, I'm sure he will.

434
00:20:30,027 --> 00:20:32,507
Speaker 3: People are trying to read something a bit more sinister

435
00:20:32,587 --> 00:20:36,067
Speaker 3: into this than perhaps exists. I don't know. I've got

436
00:20:36,107 --> 00:20:38,187
Speaker 3: no other knowledge, and i'd tell you if I did.

437
00:20:38,547 --> 00:20:40,387
Speaker 3: I've got no other knowledge of this apart from what

438
00:20:40,427 --> 00:20:45,147
Speaker 3: I've heard from Chris Landrum, Scott Robertson publicly, the opinions

439
00:20:45,187 --> 00:20:49,987
Speaker 3: that I trust and value from various people in the

440
00:20:50,067 --> 00:20:55,867
Speaker 3: rugby ecosystem. You know, why, isn't it just exactly as

441
00:20:55,907 --> 00:21:00,867
Speaker 3: it's been presented, Just two rugby men, deeply passionate about

442
00:21:00,907 --> 00:21:04,347
Speaker 3: the game, but in passionate disagreement about the way that

443
00:21:04,347 --> 00:21:07,147
Speaker 3: your black should be playing. That's all this is for me,

444
00:21:08,227 --> 00:21:10,587
Speaker 3: And there was only ever going to be one guy leaving,

445
00:21:10,587 --> 00:21:13,987
Speaker 3: and it's not going to be Razor. As I said before,

446
00:21:13,987 --> 00:21:17,227
Speaker 3: courageous from Leon McDonald to say, you know what, I

447
00:21:17,227 --> 00:21:19,067
Speaker 3: could hang around. I could stay with the all blacks,

448
00:21:19,067 --> 00:21:22,387
Speaker 3: you know, this dream job. But you know, this isn't

449
00:21:22,467 --> 00:21:27,427
Speaker 3: right for me. Courageous from him? How are you make good?

450
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Speaker 8: Mate? Good?

451
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Speaker 13: Hey, look I'm coming from the other side, I mean raiser. Yeah,

452
00:21:32,067 --> 00:21:35,747
Speaker 13: he's been great with Crusaders, but he's head basically the

453
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Speaker 13: same guys for seven years. Right, we've got an all

454
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Speaker 13: Black team. We've got a few guys here that sort

455
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Speaker 13: of you know, we'll be lucky to make the next

456
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Speaker 13: Rugby World Cup. I actually believe Jamie Joseph Ford of

457
00:21:48,627 --> 00:21:50,907
Speaker 13: got the job and we could have had Tony Brown

458
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Speaker 13: and a few other guys coaching the team. Well, Tony's

459
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Speaker 13: over in South Africa, looks as though he's built himself

460
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Speaker 13: a really really good team around and that we're going

461
00:22:00,907 --> 00:22:03,947
Speaker 13: to have a few problems next weekend trying to take

462
00:22:04,387 --> 00:22:08,867
Speaker 13: beat them. So I'm really believe, you know, personally, they

463
00:22:08,907 --> 00:22:11,347
Speaker 13: made the wrong choice. Jamie Joseph should have been the

464
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Speaker 13: All Black coach. Razors should have been basically left to

465
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Speaker 13: carry on with his Crusaders. Or the other option is

466
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Speaker 13: Razors should have gone through there with a big knife

467
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Speaker 13: and actually got rid of a whole lot of guys

468
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Speaker 13: and started the rebuilding. We've got three years to the

469
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Speaker 13: next World Cup. We should have been starting to build

470
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Speaker 13: up these guys now so that we've got a team

471
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Speaker 13: that we can compete internationally within the right.

472
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Speaker 3: I'll pick up on both of those points, Mark. First

473
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Speaker 3: one is if they hadn't given Scott Robertson the job,

474
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Speaker 3: he would have gone. And whether that's good or bad

475
00:22:41,347 --> 00:22:43,627
Speaker 3: in people's view, that is the fact he wouldn't have

476
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Speaker 3: stayed with the Crusaders. He would have gone and looked

477
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Speaker 3: for another opportunity somewhere. So and there was such a clamor,

478
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Speaker 3: and you'll remember it, there's such a clamoring for him

479
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Speaker 3: to be all Blacks coach after his unprecedented success with

480
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Speaker 3: the Crusaders. That yes, Jamie Joseph was in that discussion

481
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Speaker 3: with Tony Brown on his ticket and it would have

482
00:23:01,027 --> 00:23:04,147
Speaker 3: been a really interesting all black setup with those two

483
00:23:04,187 --> 00:23:07,627
Speaker 3: at the Helm. But from what I remember, and I

484
00:23:07,627 --> 00:23:09,627
Speaker 3: could be wrong with us, the klamor for for Razor

485
00:23:09,707 --> 00:23:10,667
Speaker 3: was almost universal.

486
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Speaker 13: Yes and no, I mean he had he had brilliant players,

487
00:23:16,147 --> 00:23:18,907
Speaker 13: Don't get me wrong. You know they were some of

488
00:23:18,947 --> 00:23:23,147
Speaker 13: the greatest players that New Zealand's produced in this current era.

489
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Speaker 13: You know a lot of them now walked away, a

490
00:23:26,427 --> 00:23:30,187
Speaker 13: lot of them have retired, moved overseas, bigger paychecks, you know,

491
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Speaker 13: the way they're gone, and I mean for the Cordle

492
00:23:33,787 --> 00:23:36,507
Speaker 13: sort of inherited well, basically had to really build a

493
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Speaker 13: whole new team. He's the reason they didn't do too

494
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Speaker 13: well this year. But you know, given their aside, I mean,

495
00:23:44,467 --> 00:23:47,347
Speaker 13: Day had worked really hard with Japan. He's turned that

496
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Speaker 13: whole team around into an internationally recognized horse, and I

497
00:23:52,227 --> 00:23:55,587
Speaker 13: really believe he should have been given the opportunity to

498
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Speaker 13: take the Allbacks on.

499
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

500
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Speaker 3: Well the one thing he had, the one thing he

501
00:23:58,867 --> 00:24:03,867
Speaker 3: had Mark was international coaching experience in spades. Yeah, and

502
00:24:04,147 --> 00:24:05,587
Speaker 3: just on the just on the players as well. I

503
00:24:05,587 --> 00:24:08,307
Speaker 3: look at the player who who have been selected for

504
00:24:08,307 --> 00:24:09,907
Speaker 3: the All Blacks this year. The only two I think

505
00:24:09,907 --> 00:24:11,507
Speaker 3: who aren't going to be at the next World Cup

506
00:24:11,787 --> 00:24:15,667
Speaker 3: definitely t J. Pettanutter and Sam kin. They're both off

507
00:24:15,707 --> 00:24:17,947
Speaker 3: to Japan next year, of course, so but I mean

508
00:24:18,187 --> 00:24:20,467
Speaker 3: I think TJ is certainly in the Auckland Test against

509
00:24:20,547 --> 00:24:22,747
Speaker 3: Argentina showed his value and I think Sam Kaine will

510
00:24:22,787 --> 00:24:25,187
Speaker 3: be terrifically valuable in South Africa. Other than that, I

511
00:24:25,187 --> 00:24:28,747
Speaker 3: think everybody that Raises picked will probably still be around

512
00:24:28,827 --> 00:24:30,747
Speaker 3: anyway at the next World Cup.

513
00:24:32,227 --> 00:24:34,787
Speaker 13: Just a question about Sam Chaine. Are they're keeping him

514
00:24:34,787 --> 00:24:36,427
Speaker 13: on so he can get his hundred tests.

515
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Speaker 3: I don't think there's room for sentiment and the All

516
00:24:39,427 --> 00:24:43,027
Speaker 3: Blacks necessarily mark if his hundred comes up, I think

517
00:24:43,027 --> 00:24:45,907
Speaker 3: he's on ninety six now, then that'll be a nice byproduct.

518
00:24:45,947 --> 00:24:48,867
Speaker 3: But I you know, I remember back at the when

519
00:24:49,547 --> 00:24:52,067
Speaker 3: was it Mills Mullyan It was approaching his one hundredth

520
00:24:52,227 --> 00:24:55,107
Speaker 3: and it actually turned out that he got it, but

521
00:24:55,187 --> 00:24:58,107
Speaker 3: he wasn't the first choice in his position coming up

522
00:24:58,147 --> 00:25:00,307
Speaker 3: to his hundredth cap. I think an injury opened the

523
00:25:00,307 --> 00:25:02,227
Speaker 3: way for him. They could have left him on ninety

524
00:25:02,267 --> 00:25:02,787
Speaker 3: nine not out.

525
00:25:04,187 --> 00:25:08,147
Speaker 13: Yeah, I just kind of degrade some of the guys

526
00:25:08,227 --> 00:25:11,387
Speaker 13: that work hard through the you know, the super team.

527
00:25:11,987 --> 00:25:15,107
Speaker 13: You can say out on an opportunity where Sam Kaine

528
00:25:15,227 --> 00:25:17,987
Speaker 13: was over in Japan, got injured and all of a

529
00:25:18,027 --> 00:25:19,867
Speaker 13: sudden he's played one game and he's back and then

530
00:25:19,867 --> 00:25:22,107
Speaker 13: all that, Yes, he's got the experience and all that.

531
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Speaker 8: I'll give him that, mate.

532
00:25:24,067 --> 00:25:26,747
Speaker 13: There's the other guys in the playing around New Zealand

533
00:25:26,787 --> 00:25:28,867
Speaker 13: who have done the time on the fields and everything

534
00:25:28,987 --> 00:25:32,667
Speaker 13: that does they do deserve an opportunity to put on

535
00:25:32,707 --> 00:25:35,867
Speaker 13: the black jersey. I just think that you know it's

536
00:25:35,907 --> 00:25:38,187
Speaker 13: it's the wrong move. And that's sort of a little

537
00:25:38,187 --> 00:25:42,387
Speaker 13: bit like Razer. He does some really dumb things now

538
00:25:42,427 --> 00:25:44,387
Speaker 13: and then it's a.

539
00:25:44,347 --> 00:25:46,267
Speaker 3: Game of opinions. Mark, Now it's a game of opinions.

540
00:25:46,267 --> 00:25:46,427
Speaker 8: Mate.

541
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Speaker 3: I'm glad you've run to voice us. Don't ever be

542
00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:50,267
Speaker 3: shy to call back, mate. It's good to good to

543
00:25:50,347 --> 00:25:54,067
Speaker 3: check different parts of this. My view on Sam Kane

544
00:25:54,147 --> 00:25:56,147
Speaker 3: is that I'd have him in there. I don't think

545
00:25:56,187 --> 00:25:58,027
Speaker 3: you'll start the next test. I think they'll probably go

546
00:25:58,107 --> 00:26:01,547
Speaker 3: with the same the same starting loose forward trio that

547
00:26:01,587 --> 00:26:03,747
Speaker 3: they that they used in Auckland. I think they'll go

548
00:26:03,747 --> 00:26:06,707
Speaker 3: black at a pup of East. Have I have Sam

549
00:26:06,747 --> 00:26:08,747
Speaker 3: Cain in there. I definitely have him in the reserves.

550
00:26:09,467 --> 00:26:11,227
Speaker 3: You know, all you do is think back to the

551
00:26:11,227 --> 00:26:15,587
Speaker 3: Ireland quarterfinal last year and his defensive master class in

552
00:26:15,587 --> 00:26:19,187
Speaker 3: that game. I definitely have him in there, even though

553
00:26:19,227 --> 00:26:22,067
Speaker 3: he is going same with TJ. Those two are the

554
00:26:22,067 --> 00:26:23,987
Speaker 3: two who we know are definitely not going to be

555
00:26:23,987 --> 00:26:25,747
Speaker 3: at the Rugby World Cup the next Rugby World Cup.

556
00:26:26,187 --> 00:26:28,147
Speaker 3: Just trying to think of anybody else that I'm looking

557
00:26:28,227 --> 00:26:31,107
Speaker 3: down here. There are some who you think, Okay, he

558
00:26:31,187 --> 00:26:34,787
Speaker 3: might not be there, but only Kane and Pernada have

559
00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:39,907
Speaker 3: voiced their their plans for next year to go. Everybody else,

560
00:26:39,947 --> 00:26:43,387
Speaker 3: as far as I know, has committed their future to

561
00:26:46,027 --> 00:26:46,907
Speaker 3: New Zealand Rugby.

562
00:26:47,587 --> 00:26:50,347
Speaker 10: Hello John, Hello mate.

563
00:26:50,587 --> 00:26:54,627
Speaker 2: I love your show and I like your approach. You

564
00:26:54,947 --> 00:26:58,427
Speaker 2: are smooth in your delivery of how you see this,

565
00:26:59,187 --> 00:27:01,707
Speaker 2: and I think that's how it should be. I'm not

566
00:27:01,747 --> 00:27:03,507
Speaker 2: the host, so I can be a little bit more

567
00:27:03,587 --> 00:27:08,147
Speaker 2: ruthless and say, for me, it's that the two headings

568
00:27:08,387 --> 00:27:14,267
Speaker 2: head coach and assistant coach. So just from that, it

569
00:27:14,347 --> 00:27:20,387
Speaker 2: appears that the assistant coach is not an agreement with

570
00:27:20,787 --> 00:27:24,627
Speaker 2: the head coach. Being the assistant he's there to assist

571
00:27:24,867 --> 00:27:27,427
Speaker 2: the head coach. I wouldn't go as far as to

572
00:27:27,467 --> 00:27:30,507
Speaker 2: say he's got no heirs, but I can see a

573
00:27:30,627 --> 00:27:34,107
Speaker 2: disconnect in the wording of the head coach. He's the

574
00:27:34,187 --> 00:27:37,467
Speaker 2: head coach, it's not the dog, it's not the tail

575
00:27:37,547 --> 00:27:41,947
Speaker 2: wagging the dog, and it's possibly that's what's going on here.

576
00:27:42,107 --> 00:27:44,267
Speaker 2: But as I say, I can be a little bit

577
00:27:44,267 --> 00:27:47,467
Speaker 2: more ruthless because I'm sort of anonymous. I do like

578
00:27:47,547 --> 00:27:50,227
Speaker 2: how you try to make it smooth and kumbaya and

579
00:27:50,267 --> 00:27:52,707
Speaker 2: everybody old can for me.

580
00:27:53,067 --> 00:27:56,587
Speaker 3: Sorry, no, no, John, I knew there was a no. No,

581
00:27:56,587 --> 00:27:58,507
Speaker 3: You're not being horrible at all. You're not being horrible

582
00:27:58,507 --> 00:28:01,867
Speaker 3: at all. I like the way you're thinking. I'd be

583
00:28:01,907 --> 00:28:02,747
Speaker 3: interested to hear of you.

584
00:28:02,787 --> 00:28:02,907
Speaker 10: Though.

585
00:28:02,947 --> 00:28:04,427
Speaker 3: If there is a head coach or that, or the

586
00:28:04,827 --> 00:28:06,907
Speaker 3: general manager or that all, the bloke in charge or

587
00:28:06,947 --> 00:28:10,267
Speaker 3: the person who's in charge of any organization, at the

588
00:28:10,347 --> 00:28:11,987
Speaker 3: end of the day, the buck stops with them, so

589
00:28:12,027 --> 00:28:13,587
Speaker 3: they should have the final say, shouldn't they.

590
00:28:15,027 --> 00:28:18,147
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And this is that not having the tail wagging

591
00:28:18,187 --> 00:28:18,627
Speaker 2: the dog.

592
00:28:20,027 --> 00:28:21,627
Speaker 3: Did you think the tail was wagging the dog?

593
00:28:22,707 --> 00:28:25,107
Speaker 2: Well, the tail wanted to wag the dog. The dog

594
00:28:25,187 --> 00:28:29,547
Speaker 2: said no, I'm the head coach, you're the assistant coach.

595
00:28:30,027 --> 00:28:33,027
Speaker 2: You will not be wagging this tail of this dog

596
00:28:33,427 --> 00:28:33,947
Speaker 2: type thing.

597
00:28:34,267 --> 00:28:38,747
Speaker 3: So he went, yeah, John, that may you may well

598
00:28:38,747 --> 00:28:41,427
Speaker 3: have landed on exactly what happened. And Leon McDonald, as

599
00:28:41,467 --> 00:28:42,987
Speaker 3: we know, he's been a head coach for the last

600
00:28:43,027 --> 00:28:45,707
Speaker 3: what four or five years with the Blues before that

601
00:28:45,787 --> 00:28:48,867
Speaker 3: with Tasman, so he's used to he's used to being them.

602
00:28:48,947 --> 00:28:50,787
Speaker 3: He's used to being the dog, the big dog.

603
00:28:51,067 --> 00:28:54,147
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Leon McDonald, and I think he could

604
00:28:54,187 --> 00:28:56,667
Speaker 2: be a head coach any day of the week, just

605
00:28:56,787 --> 00:29:01,187
Speaker 2: unfortunately not this week and not with this team.

606
00:29:01,267 --> 00:29:03,587
Speaker 3: Good points, well mate, John, thanks for calling mate. Is

607
00:29:03,587 --> 00:29:04,867
Speaker 3: that all from you? Is that all from you? I

608
00:29:05,107 --> 00:29:06,147
Speaker 3: can safely say goodbye?

609
00:29:07,027 --> 00:29:09,467
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, I love you, mate, You're good, You're a

610
00:29:09,547 --> 00:29:10,667
Speaker 2: good Thanks.

611
00:29:11,227 --> 00:29:14,627
Speaker 3: Look, honestly, I and that's the thing I get accused

612
00:29:14,667 --> 00:29:15,987
Speaker 3: of a but is the what a job? Call it

613
00:29:16,027 --> 00:29:19,147
Speaker 3: the kumbay? Look. I try. I try to look on things,

614
00:29:19,267 --> 00:29:21,627
Speaker 3: you know, at things in a positive way, and look,

615
00:29:21,627 --> 00:29:24,147
Speaker 3: there may be things deeper here. Who knows, I don't know.

616
00:29:24,227 --> 00:29:26,867
Speaker 3: You might know. I don't know. The only ones who

617
00:29:26,987 --> 00:29:29,667
Speaker 3: really know are those who are in the inner sanctum.

618
00:29:30,267 --> 00:29:33,227
Speaker 3: Only Leon McDonald knows how he feels. Only Scott Robertson

619
00:29:33,227 --> 00:29:35,347
Speaker 3: knows how he feels. Of course, they're going to sanitize

620
00:29:35,347 --> 00:29:38,507
Speaker 3: it publicly or razorers, he's the one who's spoken publicly.

621
00:29:38,747 --> 00:29:44,987
Speaker 3: Of course they're going to sanitize it. But maybe there's

622
00:29:45,027 --> 00:29:48,387
Speaker 3: nothing to see here. Maybe this is exactly as it's

623
00:29:48,387 --> 00:29:51,347
Speaker 3: been put out to us. I mean, we love a

624
00:29:51,387 --> 00:29:54,187
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory, don't we. And the rumors have been flying

625
00:29:54,187 --> 00:29:56,827
Speaker 3: around and people add two and two together and they

626
00:29:56,827 --> 00:29:59,627
Speaker 3: sometimes get four, but they sometimes get five or four

627
00:29:59,667 --> 00:30:01,627
Speaker 3: and a half. They get close to what the truth

628
00:30:01,707 --> 00:30:05,587
Speaker 3: is without actually landing on the truth, because none of

629
00:30:05,667 --> 00:30:08,667
Speaker 3: us knows. I'd love to hear from Leon McDonald, and

630
00:30:08,707 --> 00:30:11,347
Speaker 3: I know that we will at some stage. I think

631
00:30:11,387 --> 00:30:13,747
Speaker 3: Scott Robertson will probably answer some questions about this when

632
00:30:13,787 --> 00:30:16,267
Speaker 3: they get to South Africa from the media, and then

633
00:30:16,347 --> 00:30:18,147
Speaker 3: he'll draw our line under it and move on, which

634
00:30:18,187 --> 00:30:20,867
Speaker 3: is the right thing to do. There's no point dwelling

635
00:30:20,867 --> 00:30:23,587
Speaker 3: on this. There's no point us still asking questions about

636
00:30:23,667 --> 00:30:27,067
Speaker 3: Leon McDonald beyond this coming Test match because by then

637
00:30:27,147 --> 00:30:29,627
Speaker 3: it won't it won't be a factor anymore. They would

638
00:30:29,627 --> 00:30:32,587
Speaker 3: have had a Test match without them, and they'll move forward.

639
00:30:33,667 --> 00:30:35,667
Speaker 3: I think it's still worthy of discussion at the moment,

640
00:30:35,707 --> 00:30:38,947
Speaker 3: though it's still pretty new forty eight hours. Like I say,

641
00:30:38,987 --> 00:30:41,587
Speaker 3: this is the main sports show on the station. We

642
00:30:41,587 --> 00:30:43,267
Speaker 3: haven't had a chance to talk about it, so be

643
00:30:43,347 --> 00:30:45,627
Speaker 3: keen to get some more views. There's clearly an appetite

644
00:30:45,627 --> 00:30:49,467
Speaker 3: for it. The text mounting up. There's one spear line there.

645
00:30:49,507 --> 00:30:50,987
Speaker 3: If you want to jump aboard, we'll take a break.

646
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Speaker 3: Twenty to one back with more after this on Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 1: Don't Get Caught Offside eighty ten eighty Weekend Sports with

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Speaker 1: Jason Pain and GJ. Gardner Homes New Zealand's most trusted

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Speaker 3: MB seventeen to one. When Scott Robinson took the job,

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Speaker 3: and when he finalized his team, this is the team

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Speaker 3: he had. Jason Ryan assistant coach forwards, Leon McDonald assistant

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Speaker 3: coach attack, Scott Hansen assistant coach Defense, Jason Holland assistant

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Speaker 3: coach Backs, Tamothy Ellison contact skills coach. Then the Adam

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Speaker 3: Wayne Smith. Of course, let's not forget him. He's the

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Speaker 3: overall overarching performance coach for all of our teams in

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Speaker 3: Black the fifteens anyway, and we've also had David Hill

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Speaker 3: kicking coach, and Corey Flynn has been added as a

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Speaker 3: throwing coach. So what's that one, two, three, four, eight

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Speaker 3: under Scott robertson eight different voices, It's a lot. It's

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Speaker 3: a lot of voices.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Brent, Hey Jason, how are you good?

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Speaker 3: Brent?

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Speaker 9: Yes? Story, yeah, over coached. If you're an All Black

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Speaker 9: at that level, how much coaching do you need? Does

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Speaker 9: he have to be coached. He shouldn't really be there,

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Speaker 9: should you.

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Speaker 3: That's a very good point, Brent. I don't. Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 3: Often think about better than cricketing terms and what the

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Speaker 3: black Caps coach does. I'm pretty sure he's not not

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Speaker 3: teaching Kane Williamson how to play a cover drive.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: They've only got one or two to the Yeah, true, Yeah,

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Speaker 9: I think well over coached. Obviously some of the senior

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Speaker 9: players might have put their two bolts with him after

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Speaker 9: the lost of Argentina and trim the whole lot that. Yeah, yeah, thankfully,

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Speaker 9: thankfully the coach has listened as the city is. You're

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Speaker 9: going to teach Sam Kine how to play rugby or

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Speaker 9: bowden beard? Not a lot you can teach them. Really,

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Speaker 9: there might be the other way around, I think.

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Speaker 3: I guess what what you'd say. The counterpoint to that

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Speaker 3: is that the All Blacks play rugby in a certain way.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of moving parts in the game of rugby,

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Speaker 3: as you know, Brent, and and so it's I think

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Speaker 3: it's almost the minute detail that that these coaches are

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Speaker 3: working with certain players on. I mean, not everybody in

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks is hearing all of the eight voices

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Speaker 3: you know, if Corey Flynn's working as a coach, he's

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Speaker 3: only talking to the hookers. That's only three of them,

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Speaker 3: you know. Same with kicking coach David Hill's only talking

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Speaker 3: to the kickers. But when you've got people working as

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Speaker 3: an assistant coach attack, assistant coach defense, and assistant coach backs,

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Speaker 3: that's three voices. Plus Scott Robertson's talking to the back line.

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Speaker 3: So that's a lot of that's a lot of messaging

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Speaker 3: that has to be has to be consistent.

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Speaker 9: I disagree with it. It's a simple game, pony, same

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Speaker 9: bloody complicated by a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: Good on your briend, Thanks mate, I appreciate your corner

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Speaker 3: in many ways. You're right, Yeah, I'm probably complicating it.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it is a simple game. Hello Bill good Nay.

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Speaker 14: I have to be from Willington, Jason, but I haven't

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Speaker 14: read or heard anything about that old dilemma of selection policies,

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Speaker 14: et cetera, which was a thorn in the minds of

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Speaker 14: Panels over the years. Even Fred Allen said once that

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Speaker 14: he had to put up with having players that he

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Speaker 14: didn't want. And I was actually shocked this year when

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Speaker 14: Situtu from Auckland and Peter Lalie from Wellington missed the

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Speaker 14: you know, missed the team.

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Speaker 11: And yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: Scott Robinson, Scott Robinson, Scott Robertson picked the team. He

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Speaker 3: didn't get handed the team. He picked the team.

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Speaker 14: He picked it without any without any They must, they

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Speaker 14: must get pushed by their co coaches.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, yes, sorry, sorry sorry, I'll rephrase. Yeah he had

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Speaker 3: he had help, of course, Yes, I think the selectors

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Speaker 3: were Scott Robertson, Jason Ryan, Leo McDonald, Scott Hanson and

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Speaker 3: Jason Holland. And they all were given areas of expertise

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Speaker 3: that they provide, did their recommendations on. But at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, you know, if there's disagreement around

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Speaker 3: with a reply gets pecked on all the head coach

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Speaker 3: makes the decision.

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Speaker 14: Right now, Look, I suppose close to sports departments, you know,

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Speaker 14: years ago as a geno and they told me, and

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Speaker 14: it's All Blacks have told me too, that the selection

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Speaker 14: dilemma dilemma was the biggest thing. And I think it's

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Speaker 14: for instance at travesty that Billy Proctor hasn't been in

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Speaker 14: the All Blacks for the last two or three years.

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Speaker 14: In the amate of days you're at your brilliant, you're exuberance,

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Speaker 14: and when you're twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, he's

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Speaker 14: twenty five still not there, dropped after a very good game,

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Speaker 14: et cetera. And the old sort of is provincial loyalty

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Speaker 14: sort of coming into the things again. I know what

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Speaker 14: the official thing is with the coach, but I'm just

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Speaker 14: wondering if is there anything in the background. I haven't

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Speaker 14: read any sports reporters saying, oh, there were differences over,

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Speaker 14: for instance, less forward selections or center selections or things

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Speaker 14: like that. But anyway, I wanted to make that point.

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Speaker 14: I don't want to monopolo in your time.

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Speaker 3: No, that's fine, You're not monopolizing it at all. No,

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Speaker 3: you're not monopolizing it at all. It's an interesting point

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Speaker 3: you make. I'll go back to what I just said,

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Speaker 3: which was that a group of five came together to

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Speaker 3: select the team. They had their areas of expertise. I

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Speaker 3: know Jason Holland, for example, was in charge of of

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Speaker 3: midfield backs, Scott Hansen was was half backs and first five.

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Speaker 3: Lee McDonald's outside backs. Jason Ryan was forwards. Obviously, with

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Speaker 3: Scott Robertson having having a fair amount of expertise in

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Speaker 3: that area as well. So I don't think there's you know,

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Speaker 3: there's This isn't a team that Scott Robertson's has had

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Speaker 3: handed to him. So I don't think there's a selection

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Speaker 3: layer to this at all. You might disagree with who's

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Speaker 3: been picked out of the thirty well initially thirty what

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Speaker 3: was it, thirty two, now thirty six, and we can

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Speaker 3: talk about the various merits of a guy like Billy

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Speaker 3: Proctor again something unlike Rico Joanni or Anton Lennart Brown.

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Speaker 3: Of course we can. Those are the conversations that are

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Speaker 3: inevitably going to happen when we talk about rugby or

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Speaker 3: any sport. But I don't think there's any any disagreement here.

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Speaker 3: I've heard it suggested that Leon McDonald, you know, might

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Speaker 3: have favored certain players who had been under his control

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Speaker 3: at the Blues. But then I look at the team

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Speaker 3: and I think, well, there's a fair degree of Blues

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Speaker 3: influence there. Anyway, we might be going around a circles

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Speaker 3: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty ten to one

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Speaker 3: back after.

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Speaker 1: This, analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting

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Speaker 1: world weekends for it with Jason pie, they're all always

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty News.

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Speaker 3: Talk z'b seven to one. A bit of chat about

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Speaker 3: the about the selection of players from the Crusaders rather

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Speaker 3: than other teams, hacking a team that finished bottom and

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Speaker 3: Super Rugby of the New Zealand sides have more players

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Speaker 3: than the All Blacks and the Blues and the Chiefs. Well,

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Speaker 3: I look at the I look at the team that

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Speaker 3: fronted up again England in the first Test of the year.

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Speaker 3: So let's assume that that is the full strength side

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Speaker 3: that's got the forwards De Groot Highlanders, Taylor Crusaders, Lomax Hurricanes,

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Speaker 3: Barrett Crusaders, two Pilots, two Blues, Female Chiefs, Papali Blues,

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Speaker 3: Savilla Hurricanes. So that's two of the eight from the Crusaders.

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Speaker 3: And can anyone really say that Cody Taylor and Scott

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Speaker 3: Barrett don't deserve their places. Then we go into the

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Speaker 3: backs Peinada and Mackenzie Hurricanes and Chiefs, Jordi Barrett and

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Speaker 3: Yoanni Hurricanes and Blues, Mark Talayer Blues, sever Reese Crusaders,

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Speaker 3: Stephen Petefetta Blues. So what's that three three of the fifteen,

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Speaker 3: three of the fifteen, we're from the Crusaders. Really overbalanced,

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Speaker 3: is it? Murray High?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, hey, I see that's a a sum of a

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Speaker 15: lot of little things people who touched on. But I've

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Speaker 15: got my own take. I think if there was a

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Speaker 15: disagreement as to which way to go, I think it's

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Speaker 15: about selections. And if there is one there to lose out,

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Speaker 15: it would have to be the of it dog because

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Speaker 15: he's the attack coach, right, yep, yep.

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Speaker 9: So he's not just in.

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Speaker 15: Charge of the back oder and forward. So depending on

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Speaker 15: what's going on in the field, which particular time, where

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Speaker 15: does the attack start, starts with the forwards and probably

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Speaker 15: at least the loose forwards, right, good point. So he

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Speaker 15: so his job traviss both those areas. Now, he was

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Speaker 15: a head coach at the Blues and he would have

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Speaker 15: used student plans. It's first pick players, and so I

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Speaker 15: wanted to get down to picking an all black team. Well,

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Speaker 15: you know, if you haven't really played a semi final,

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Speaker 15: you're not getting much of a look at unless you're

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Speaker 15: an Aaron Smith or or the other loose Ford. He's

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Speaker 15: gone to Japan. I can't remember his name right.

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Speaker 8: Now, you'll have it on you.

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Speaker 15: But yeah, I think he's a big loser. Wen we

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Speaker 15: know plans to tout that would have been his first pack, right.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, that would have been sorry, that would have been

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Speaker 3: Leo McDonald's first pick.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, probably, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think he probably Yeah, I think he probably would

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Speaker 3: have put put put Hoskins Tutu's name in the in

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Speaker 3: the conversation. Absolutely, and I think we all we all did.

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Speaker 15: I think yeah, he might very well think that his

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Speaker 15: number ten might be bone Barty's true. Okay, so if

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Speaker 15: there's going to be a loser, it was definitely going

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Speaker 15: to be Hut.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and and Murray. That's it's such a good observation

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Speaker 3: because there is there's no one way to skin a

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Speaker 3: cat either. There's no one way to play rugby otherwise,

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Speaker 3: is it at the top of the show, everyone's been

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Speaker 3: doing it the same way, and you've landed on such

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Speaker 3: a good point around Leo McDonald's brief. It's not forwards

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Speaker 3: or backs, it's attack, just like Scott Hansen's defense. It

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Speaker 3: goes right across the team and when you boil it

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Speaker 3: all down, as I set at the top of the show,

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Speaker 3: these are two passionate rugby men who were in passionate

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Speaker 3: disagreement clearly about the best way to structure the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks attack.

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Speaker 16: That is.

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Speaker 3: The long and the short of it. All the stuff

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Speaker 3: around the outside to me is just window dressing. They

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Speaker 3: just had a disagreement, a fundamental disagreement about the way

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks attack should function. And if there's a

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Speaker 3: head coach and an assistant coach who disagree, then only

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Speaker 3: one of those two is going to walk.

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Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

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Speaker 1: and after fields, It's all on Winter and Forward with

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Speaker 1: Jason Vaine on your Home of Sports, What do We

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Speaker 1: Use Talks?

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in one o seven. Thanks for your cause

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Speaker 3: and feedback on the rugby last hour. Sorry we couldn't

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Speaker 3: get everybody on the air. I do appreciate your interest

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Speaker 3: though in the topic there was a suggestion that perhaps

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Speaker 3: we should move on. Well we probably can now we

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Speaker 3: certainly will on this show. But it's a topic that's

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Speaker 3: been talked about a lot, and I thank you for

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Speaker 3: all of your interaction on the topic. Going to move

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Speaker 3: on to the rugby league shortly. Michael Luck standing by

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Speaker 3: the chat to us, one of Sewn Johnson's first Warrior's

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Speaker 3: teammates when he came into the team in twenty eleven.

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Speaker 3: I want to get his memories of a fresh faced

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Speaker 3: Sewn Johnson thirteen years ago and what he makes of

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Speaker 3: his career. Keen to hear your thoughts as well. Want

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Speaker 3: to kind of pay tribute to Sewan Johnson this afternoon. Yes,

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Speaker 3: this season hasn't gone the way I'm sure he would

859
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Speaker 3: have hoped, or anyone in the Warrior's team would have hoped.

860
00:42:33,867 --> 00:42:37,427
Speaker 3: But when you think about Sean Johnson, what will stand

861
00:42:37,507 --> 00:42:41,667
Speaker 3: out for you? Just before we move on a massive

862
00:42:41,707 --> 00:42:45,987
Speaker 3: game in White Cuttle today, Piney the Parliamentary fifteen against

863
00:42:46,027 --> 00:42:51,067
Speaker 3: the water Boy Invitational at White Cuttle Stadium. Stars include

864
00:42:51,107 --> 00:42:54,747
Speaker 3: Carlos Spencer and Liam Messim. Good stuff. Good to hear

865
00:42:54,987 --> 00:42:57,747
Speaker 3: it was a nice day in the tron. It'd be

866
00:42:57,907 --> 00:43:00,387
Speaker 3: quite nice everywhere today, I think. So thank you for

867
00:43:00,547 --> 00:43:04,907
Speaker 3: alerting us all to that the curtain is about to

868
00:43:04,987 --> 00:43:08,787
Speaker 3: come down on one of the great NRL careers Sewn Johnson.

869
00:43:08,827 --> 00:43:11,947
Speaker 3: Two hundred and sixty seven games with one to go

870
00:43:12,227 --> 00:43:15,587
Speaker 3: across fourteen NRL seasons, all but three of those years

871
00:43:15,627 --> 00:43:16,707
Speaker 3: with the Warriors.

872
00:43:16,507 --> 00:43:21,387
Speaker 17: And Johnson steps stray throws upont on the inside.

873
00:43:21,227 --> 00:43:24,707
Speaker 8: Decides against PRIs Johnson got the leaves.

874
00:43:25,467 --> 00:43:30,467
Speaker 3: He's sad leaders who. Michael Luck came into the Warriors

875
00:43:30,707 --> 00:43:33,947
Speaker 3: in two thousand and six after five seasons with the Cowboys.

876
00:43:33,987 --> 00:43:37,307
Speaker 3: He became a cult heero, absolute fan favourite, playing one

877
00:43:37,387 --> 00:43:39,907
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty games across seven years at the club,

878
00:43:39,947 --> 00:43:43,347
Speaker 3: the last two of those seasons alongside Sewn Johnson, including

879
00:43:43,427 --> 00:43:46,867
Speaker 3: of course that memorable run to the twenty eleven NRL

880
00:43:46,987 --> 00:43:47,587
Speaker 3: Grand Final.

881
00:43:47,787 --> 00:43:51,507
Speaker 18: Gets the past the Johnson Johnson's still going is again

882
00:43:51,667 --> 00:43:56,227
Speaker 18: Londonness gone.

883
00:43:56,627 --> 00:44:00,107
Speaker 3: One of the most famous Warriors tries that Melbourne storm

884
00:44:01,307 --> 00:44:04,227
Speaker 3: ahead of the twenty eleven NRL Grand Final. That was

885
00:44:04,267 --> 00:44:05,907
Speaker 3: the game that got the Warriors into the Grand Final.

886
00:44:05,987 --> 00:44:08,667
Speaker 3: Michael Like is now general manager of football at the

887
00:44:08,747 --> 00:44:11,147
Speaker 3: North Queensland Cowboys, but he joins us now to reminis

888
00:44:11,227 --> 00:44:13,507
Speaker 3: a bit amount of his time at the Warriors. Michael,

889
00:44:13,547 --> 00:44:15,867
Speaker 3: thanks for joining us across New Zealand. Can you remember

890
00:44:15,907 --> 00:44:18,627
Speaker 3: the first time Sean Johnson turned up at the Warriors?

891
00:44:20,507 --> 00:44:24,507
Speaker 8: Yeah? Thanks, I don't remember the first time I remember,

892
00:44:24,667 --> 00:44:24,787
Speaker 8: you know.

893
00:44:24,907 --> 00:44:25,147
Speaker 10: That was.

894
00:44:26,787 --> 00:44:28,907
Speaker 19: The skinny kid from up in the High Business Coast.

895
00:44:28,947 --> 00:44:31,627
Speaker 19: It was a fair touch player. We've seen some highlights

896
00:44:31,707 --> 00:44:34,267
Speaker 19: of what he was doing on the touch field, and

897
00:44:34,347 --> 00:44:38,427
Speaker 19: then obviously came in and played under twenties for our

898
00:44:38,467 --> 00:44:40,907
Speaker 19: Warriors under twenties team who were fairly dominant that time.

899
00:44:41,587 --> 00:44:45,387
Speaker 19: But certainly what he did at those lower levels and

900
00:44:45,627 --> 00:44:48,067
Speaker 19: how good he was on his feet and the skill

901
00:44:48,147 --> 00:44:49,987
Speaker 19: said he had was pretty special.

902
00:44:50,107 --> 00:44:53,107
Speaker 8: So for him to go on now and I've made.

903
00:44:52,987 --> 00:44:56,387
Speaker 19: The transition to the contact side of the game and

904
00:44:56,707 --> 00:44:59,067
Speaker 19: do it for so long as a real crowd to him,

905
00:44:59,067 --> 00:45:02,147
Speaker 19: he's been a wonderful ambassador for the Warriors, for New

906
00:45:02,227 --> 00:45:05,067
Speaker 19: Zealand Rugby League and for rugby league in general.

907
00:45:05,147 --> 00:45:06,147
Speaker 8: He's terrific.

908
00:45:06,387 --> 00:45:09,187
Speaker 3: Once he got into the Warriors environment. How long did

909
00:45:09,187 --> 00:45:11,307
Speaker 3: it take you to realize that actually this get's going

910
00:45:11,347 --> 00:45:11,787
Speaker 3: to be okay?

911
00:45:13,307 --> 00:45:16,227
Speaker 19: Oh look all be honest. I was a bit skeptical.

912
00:45:17,307 --> 00:45:19,987
Speaker 19: And you see a lot of guys that come from

913
00:45:20,107 --> 00:45:23,907
Speaker 19: touch or from junior competitions that are really good on

914
00:45:23,987 --> 00:45:25,947
Speaker 19: their feet, and then when they come up against men,

915
00:45:27,307 --> 00:45:30,787
Speaker 19: they just don't handle the physicality. And I guess it

916
00:45:31,347 --> 00:45:33,547
Speaker 19: took me a little while to become a believer. And

917
00:45:33,907 --> 00:45:36,587
Speaker 19: the old under twenties camp, it was more like a

918
00:45:36,667 --> 00:45:39,227
Speaker 19: touch football game than a rugby league game at times,

919
00:45:39,267 --> 00:45:41,627
Speaker 19: I felt schools of sort of forty to thirty and

920
00:45:42,867 --> 00:45:45,827
Speaker 19: things like that, and you know, it took me a

921
00:45:45,867 --> 00:45:48,067
Speaker 19: little while, but certainly, you know, by the time he

922
00:45:48,387 --> 00:45:51,627
Speaker 19: debuted in first grade, he kicked all the boxes and

923
00:45:52,747 --> 00:45:55,267
Speaker 19: what he did in that twenty eleventh season, which is

924
00:45:55,427 --> 00:45:57,747
Speaker 19: a pretty good competition and we were lucky enough to

925
00:45:58,387 --> 00:46:00,907
Speaker 19: survive right to the last weekend of the camp.

926
00:46:02,067 --> 00:46:04,267
Speaker 8: Yeah, there was no doubt in my mind after that

927
00:46:04,347 --> 00:46:05,827
Speaker 8: he was always going to go on and have a

928
00:46:05,867 --> 00:46:06,267
Speaker 8: good career.

929
00:46:06,787 --> 00:46:09,187
Speaker 3: What was he like Michael around the team in the

930
00:46:09,227 --> 00:46:11,547
Speaker 3: early days as he was starting to find his way

931
00:46:12,067 --> 00:46:12,987
Speaker 3: in first grade.

932
00:46:13,907 --> 00:46:16,187
Speaker 8: Oh, fairly quite you know.

933
00:46:16,627 --> 00:46:19,307
Speaker 19: I don't remember him being overly cocky or you know,

934
00:46:19,387 --> 00:46:21,467
Speaker 19: he put on a front when he first came in,

935
00:46:21,627 --> 00:46:23,987
Speaker 19: but there's certainly a lot he had to learn about

936
00:46:24,027 --> 00:46:27,147
Speaker 19: playing rugby league and particularly at that level. So I

937
00:46:27,187 --> 00:46:30,267
Speaker 19: think Ivan really good coach for him his first couple

938
00:46:30,267 --> 00:46:33,347
Speaker 19: of years. Ivan Cleary his first year in first grade,

939
00:46:34,067 --> 00:46:36,467
Speaker 19: taught him about the big rocks of his game and

940
00:46:36,547 --> 00:46:38,987
Speaker 19: what was important and what you had to get right

941
00:46:39,067 --> 00:46:40,867
Speaker 19: before he go and do the flashy stuff. So I

942
00:46:40,907 --> 00:46:42,227
Speaker 19: think that really helped Sean.

943
00:46:43,747 --> 00:46:46,147
Speaker 8: Yeah, but you know, there was a bit of.

944
00:46:46,147 --> 00:46:48,427
Speaker 19: Bravado behind the scenes, but I know, you know, he's

945
00:46:48,427 --> 00:46:52,347
Speaker 19: always nervous, always wanted to please people, and always wanted

946
00:46:52,387 --> 00:46:54,027
Speaker 19: to do his best when he had to worry his jersey.

947
00:46:54,947 --> 00:46:56,667
Speaker 3: Two moments that get talked about a lot from that

948
00:46:56,747 --> 00:46:59,827
Speaker 3: first season the twenty eleventh season his long range solo

949
00:46:59,947 --> 00:47:02,627
Speaker 3: try against the Broncos and sitting up Lewis Brown in

950
00:47:02,667 --> 00:47:04,387
Speaker 3: the corner for that late try against the Storm and

951
00:47:04,427 --> 00:47:07,907
Speaker 3: the elimination final. Do you remember of those moments lovidly?

952
00:47:08,787 --> 00:47:08,987
Speaker 8: Yeah?

953
00:47:09,027 --> 00:47:11,587
Speaker 19: I do, because I actually threw in the last pass

954
00:47:11,707 --> 00:47:18,787
Speaker 19: for that Broncos I counted as a try, absolutely yeah,

955
00:47:18,827 --> 00:47:22,027
Speaker 19: and then the semi final against the Storm was a

956
00:47:22,187 --> 00:47:24,427
Speaker 19: wonderful night. So yeah, there are are there a couple

957
00:47:24,467 --> 00:47:27,547
Speaker 19: of the highlights in that season, I think, you know,

958
00:47:27,587 --> 00:47:30,027
Speaker 19: and I watch more Careboys team do it now when

959
00:47:30,307 --> 00:47:32,347
Speaker 19: you come up against the young player that there's a

960
00:47:32,427 --> 00:47:34,827
Speaker 19: bit of hype about, but you haven't seen a lot

961
00:47:34,867 --> 00:47:36,267
Speaker 19: of them. There's not a lot of video on them.

962
00:47:36,947 --> 00:47:40,547
Speaker 19: It's hard to prepare for. So yeah, it's not a

963
00:47:40,587 --> 00:47:42,187
Speaker 19: surprise that he came up with a couple of those

964
00:47:42,227 --> 00:47:43,027
Speaker 19: magic plays in that.

965
00:47:43,107 --> 00:47:45,747
Speaker 8: First year, just because he was you know, his skill

966
00:47:45,787 --> 00:47:46,347
Speaker 8: set was so.

967
00:47:46,587 --> 00:47:50,187
Speaker 19: Huge, and the other teams in that time to get

968
00:47:50,227 --> 00:47:51,707
Speaker 19: to understand what they were about to come up.

969
00:47:51,707 --> 00:47:54,307
Speaker 3: Again, what sort of growth and development have you seen

970
00:47:54,387 --> 00:47:56,347
Speaker 3: from him, you know as his career has gone on

971
00:47:56,667 --> 00:47:59,107
Speaker 3: the you know, in the thirteen fourteen years he's been

972
00:47:59,147 --> 00:48:00,027
Speaker 3: at the top of the NRL.

973
00:48:01,547 --> 00:48:04,627
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, Like I said earlier, I think it was

974
00:48:04,627 --> 00:48:07,547
Speaker 19: always a skeptic that could flashy stuff he did on

975
00:48:07,627 --> 00:48:12,547
Speaker 19: the touch field, not under twenty level translate to NROL level.

976
00:48:12,587 --> 00:48:15,267
Speaker 19: And when you become a first grade half back, on

977
00:48:15,307 --> 00:48:20,627
Speaker 19: an NURL halfback, it becomes I guess, more about controlling

978
00:48:20,707 --> 00:48:23,147
Speaker 19: a game and understanding campo and ebbs and flows of

979
00:48:23,267 --> 00:48:25,907
Speaker 19: games rather than trying to lay on a try every

980
00:48:25,947 --> 00:48:28,947
Speaker 19: time you get the footage. So I'm impressed with how

981
00:48:29,027 --> 00:48:33,547
Speaker 19: he's developed his understanding of the control of the game,

982
00:48:33,667 --> 00:48:38,987
Speaker 19: and yeah, even more broadly within seasons, about the ebbs

983
00:48:39,027 --> 00:48:41,787
Speaker 19: and flows of when sometimes you have to win ugly,

984
00:48:42,387 --> 00:48:45,627
Speaker 19: if you're down on down on truth, so you've got injuries,

985
00:48:45,787 --> 00:48:48,547
Speaker 19: or some days you just don't play well, you just

986
00:48:48,627 --> 00:48:51,227
Speaker 19: have to get the job done, which he's done. And

987
00:48:51,347 --> 00:48:53,747
Speaker 19: I guess, you know, he did really really well last

988
00:48:53,827 --> 00:48:55,747
Speaker 19: year and that Worries team that went so well in

989
00:48:55,827 --> 00:48:58,067
Speaker 19: the twenty twenty three season. There was some days there

990
00:48:58,467 --> 00:49:00,947
Speaker 19: where I was watching them, I thought they're gone today.

991
00:49:00,987 --> 00:49:04,947
Speaker 19: They look lethargic, and they haven't got energy, and they

992
00:49:05,027 --> 00:49:07,227
Speaker 19: look at some guys that want to be anywhere else

993
00:49:07,307 --> 00:49:09,787
Speaker 19: but sew and drag him out and kicked the corners

994
00:49:09,827 --> 00:49:13,787
Speaker 19: and just getting that rhythm that you know, some people

995
00:49:13,867 --> 00:49:16,787
Speaker 19: can call boring, but it's it's what wins NRL games

996
00:49:16,827 --> 00:49:21,267
Speaker 19: in this era. So I think he's done terrific with

997
00:49:21,347 --> 00:49:23,267
Speaker 19: that because that's probably the one area where there was

998
00:49:23,427 --> 00:49:25,307
Speaker 19: a little question mark about whether he could do it

999
00:49:25,427 --> 00:49:25,547
Speaker 19: or not.

1000
00:49:26,187 --> 00:49:28,627
Speaker 3: As with any any player, there are peaks and troughs

1001
00:49:28,667 --> 00:49:31,587
Speaker 3: in a career, and often when the Warriors lose, at

1002
00:49:31,627 --> 00:49:34,107
Speaker 3: Sewan Johnson's fault in the eyes of many of the

1003
00:49:34,187 --> 00:49:37,227
Speaker 3: fan base. What do you think he's become a lightning

1004
00:49:37,307 --> 00:49:40,267
Speaker 3: rod for criticism, the most common scapegoat when the Warriors lose.

1005
00:49:42,427 --> 00:49:45,507
Speaker 19: I don't think that's isolated as just Sean. I think

1006
00:49:45,587 --> 00:49:51,307
Speaker 19: any any playmaker that takes responsibility for getting the team

1007
00:49:51,347 --> 00:49:54,187
Speaker 19: around the park. Well, I'll look at you know, Chad

1008
00:49:54,267 --> 00:49:56,707
Speaker 19: Townsend here at the Cowboys, look at Luke Brooks in

1009
00:49:56,747 --> 00:50:01,227
Speaker 19: all this time at the West Tigers. There's very few

1010
00:50:02,347 --> 00:50:06,307
Speaker 19: herds or playmakers in the game that don't cop something

1011
00:50:06,587 --> 00:50:08,947
Speaker 19: criticism when the result doesn't go their way or it's

1012
00:50:08,987 --> 00:50:11,707
Speaker 19: just part of the course. And what I've been impressed

1013
00:50:11,707 --> 00:50:15,307
Speaker 19: with with Sean is that that happened whether he was

1014
00:50:15,307 --> 00:50:17,867
Speaker 19: at the Warriors or whether he's at Cronulla, whether he's

1015
00:50:17,867 --> 00:50:20,947
Speaker 19: playing for New Zealand, and he's never let that affect him.

1016
00:50:20,947 --> 00:50:24,107
Speaker 19: He's really mentally resilient. And you know, he'll say he

1017
00:50:24,227 --> 00:50:26,787
Speaker 19: doesn't listen to the noise or read it or any

1018
00:50:26,827 --> 00:50:28,667
Speaker 19: of that sort of stuff, but I'll guarantee you would.

1019
00:50:29,107 --> 00:50:31,587
Speaker 19: But just the way he's able to block that and

1020
00:50:32,587 --> 00:50:34,627
Speaker 19: go and get the job done more often than not,

1021
00:50:34,787 --> 00:50:37,667
Speaker 19: should be a good lesson than any young young player indeed.

1022
00:50:37,867 --> 00:50:40,107
Speaker 3: And anything else that stands out from your time with him,

1023
00:50:40,107 --> 00:50:41,427
Speaker 3: he had a couple of seasons with them at the

1024
00:50:41,707 --> 00:50:43,547
Speaker 3: back end of your career, anything else apart from the

1025
00:50:43,787 --> 00:50:45,467
Speaker 3: moments we've mentioned before that stands.

1026
00:50:45,227 --> 00:50:50,907
Speaker 19: Out again, just just I'm impressed with even the more

1027
00:50:50,987 --> 00:50:53,427
Speaker 19: last year with him in twenty twelve. We didn't have

1028
00:50:53,507 --> 00:50:56,787
Speaker 19: the greatest year at the Warriors or coach turnover and

1029
00:50:57,187 --> 00:50:59,027
Speaker 19: a lot of players turn over that year from the

1030
00:50:59,347 --> 00:51:01,987
Speaker 19: year before we played in the Grand Final, but I

1031
00:51:02,147 --> 00:51:06,067
Speaker 19: vividly remember, you know, my last game was that Mount

1032
00:51:06,107 --> 00:51:08,947
Speaker 19: Smart against Canberra and we ended up getting beaten. But

1033
00:51:08,987 --> 00:51:11,547
Speaker 19: I sat around the sheds after my last game and

1034
00:51:11,947 --> 00:51:14,787
Speaker 19: one of the things I remember was the journey in

1035
00:51:14,907 --> 00:51:17,147
Speaker 19: sort of thirty or forty games that Seawan had been

1036
00:51:17,187 --> 00:51:19,747
Speaker 19: on to that point where he came in as a

1037
00:51:19,827 --> 00:51:24,427
Speaker 19: gunslinger in the first grade and was looking to do

1038
00:51:24,587 --> 00:51:26,987
Speaker 19: something magical with every touch, and already in only two

1039
00:51:27,067 --> 00:51:29,747
Speaker 19: seasons he sort of transformed himself into a guy that

1040
00:51:29,827 --> 00:51:32,907
Speaker 19: could manage a game. And I guess at that stage

1041
00:51:32,947 --> 00:51:36,067
Speaker 19: he was maybe twenty one, and I just would sat

1042
00:51:36,107 --> 00:51:38,387
Speaker 19: down for how lucky and more that I've got to

1043
00:51:39,107 --> 00:51:41,667
Speaker 19: play a very small part in this man's career because

1044
00:51:41,787 --> 00:51:44,587
Speaker 19: he's going to be special. So he's gone to fulfill that.

1045
00:51:44,707 --> 00:51:48,747
Speaker 19: I guess, Yeah, probably never won a competition, which will

1046
00:51:48,987 --> 00:51:51,307
Speaker 19: burn him a little bit, but did everything in there else,

1047
00:51:51,627 --> 00:51:53,267
Speaker 19: everything else there is to do in the game. So

1048
00:51:53,467 --> 00:51:56,267
Speaker 19: he's had a wonderful career and you wish him all

1049
00:51:56,267 --> 00:51:58,467
Speaker 19: the best with what he does in the future. And

1050
00:51:58,907 --> 00:52:01,667
Speaker 19: it's been a pleasure to and privilege to watch how

1051
00:52:01,707 --> 00:52:02,067
Speaker 19: he's gone.

1052
00:52:02,187 --> 00:52:04,667
Speaker 3: Good man Michael, So warriors might being the eight Cowboys

1053
00:52:04,667 --> 00:52:07,467
Speaker 3: will be by this weekend. The storm at home Thursday night.

1054
00:52:07,547 --> 00:52:10,187
Speaker 3: Bulldog's a way to finish. You reckon, you can get

1055
00:52:10,227 --> 00:52:10,787
Speaker 3: in the top four.

1056
00:52:13,147 --> 00:52:15,547
Speaker 8: Look Wed not sort of going to go too far ahead.

1057
00:52:15,587 --> 00:52:17,747
Speaker 19: We need Melbourne to get the job done against the

1058
00:52:17,827 --> 00:52:21,987
Speaker 19: Dolphins on Saturday night just to make sure that we

1059
00:52:22,147 --> 00:52:24,867
Speaker 19: were in the eighth and then after that. Yeah, we've

1060
00:52:24,907 --> 00:52:28,787
Speaker 19: got Melbourne at home on Thursday night, which is great

1061
00:52:28,987 --> 00:52:30,507
Speaker 19: with me. You know, we haven't traveled for a month.

1062
00:52:30,547 --> 00:52:32,267
Speaker 19: We've been in Townsville for the last four weeks, so

1063
00:52:32,627 --> 00:52:35,747
Speaker 19: that's been a blessing. And then Bulldogs, which will be

1064
00:52:36,187 --> 00:52:38,347
Speaker 19: a really good sharpened up into that next week because

1065
00:52:38,547 --> 00:52:42,067
Speaker 19: they're flying at the moment. So looks anty question. I

1066
00:52:42,147 --> 00:52:45,307
Speaker 19: think the last two weeks from us has been to

1067
00:52:45,467 --> 00:52:48,467
Speaker 19: rejectl and Hyde and I think against the Broncos we

1068
00:52:48,787 --> 00:52:51,307
Speaker 19: were really really poor and missed a huge opportunity to

1069
00:52:51,347 --> 00:52:56,147
Speaker 19: put a stamp on the competition and defended not great attack.

1070
00:52:56,227 --> 00:52:59,307
Speaker 19: We took some bad options, you know. Seven days later

1071
00:52:59,347 --> 00:53:02,187
Speaker 19: against Camber, I thought the exact opser thought the guys

1072
00:53:02,227 --> 00:53:05,347
Speaker 19: were great. The preyed really well, defended well, only completed

1073
00:53:05,387 --> 00:53:08,347
Speaker 19: one try, and if we can replicate that type and

1074
00:53:08,427 --> 00:53:10,907
Speaker 19: performance six more times, I think, yeah, absolutely we can

1075
00:53:10,947 --> 00:53:12,947
Speaker 19: win a competition in the attack to as good as

1076
00:53:12,947 --> 00:53:16,107
Speaker 19: areas in the compound. It's just the defensive part of

1077
00:53:16,147 --> 00:53:17,787
Speaker 19: the game that we have to get right. So that's

1078
00:53:17,827 --> 00:53:20,387
Speaker 19: a big challenge for Toddy and our coaching staff and

1079
00:53:21,027 --> 00:53:22,627
Speaker 19: our playing groups over the next month or so.

1080
00:53:23,107 --> 00:53:24,747
Speaker 3: Well, all the best for it. Michael, thanks again for

1081
00:53:24,827 --> 00:53:26,707
Speaker 3: joining us across New Zealand to reminius a bit about

1082
00:53:26,747 --> 00:53:28,867
Speaker 3: Sewan Johnson. Really appreciate you taking the time.

1083
00:53:29,067 --> 00:53:30,707
Speaker 19: No pleasure, Thank you very much, No, thank.

1084
00:53:30,587 --> 00:53:33,027
Speaker 3: You, Michael. Michael like that doing great things at the

1085
00:53:33,067 --> 00:53:37,187
Speaker 3: North Queensland Cowboys. A cult hero at the Warriors when

1086
00:53:37,227 --> 00:53:39,147
Speaker 3: he was there, he's just he's to just make a

1087
00:53:39,387 --> 00:53:42,667
Speaker 3: mountain of tackles. One game he made something like sixty

1088
00:53:42,747 --> 00:53:46,347
Speaker 3: or seventy tackles or something. Stupid. Incredible player for the

1089
00:53:46,587 --> 00:53:48,507
Speaker 3: for the Warriors and for the Cowboys as well before that.

1090
00:53:48,707 --> 00:53:52,507
Speaker 3: Now general manager of football at the North Queensland Cowboys.

1091
00:53:52,507 --> 00:53:55,667
Speaker 3: They're going along very nicely. Thanks very much. You've heard

1092
00:53:55,667 --> 00:53:58,987
Speaker 3: from Michael wake Keen this afternoon to pay tribute to

1093
00:53:59,067 --> 00:54:02,587
Speaker 3: Sewan Johnson. This season certainly hasn't been the swan song

1094
00:54:02,627 --> 00:54:04,467
Speaker 3: he would have hoped for, But fairy tales don't always

1095
00:54:04,467 --> 00:54:06,627
Speaker 3: happen in sport. In fact, more often than not, they

1096
00:54:06,667 --> 00:54:10,147
Speaker 3: don't happen. But when I remember Sewan Johnson in the

1097
00:54:10,267 --> 00:54:13,027
Speaker 3: years ahead, when I think back and remember Shawn Johnson

1098
00:54:13,027 --> 00:54:15,387
Speaker 3: as a player, I think I'll choose to remember the

1099
00:54:15,467 --> 00:54:18,907
Speaker 3: Shawn Johnson of last year, who was such a driving

1100
00:54:19,027 --> 00:54:23,747
Speaker 3: force behind last season's incredible run deep into the finals,

1101
00:54:23,787 --> 00:54:27,467
Speaker 3: within one game of the Grand Final, or the Shawn

1102
00:54:27,547 --> 00:54:30,347
Speaker 3: Johnson of twenty eleven who burst onto the scene and

1103
00:54:30,347 --> 00:54:32,147
Speaker 3: you hear Michael like to talk about it from a

1104
00:54:32,187 --> 00:54:34,907
Speaker 3: background playing touch basically, so he had this amazing step

1105
00:54:34,947 --> 00:54:38,747
Speaker 3: which has never gone and he took the Warriors to

1106
00:54:39,507 --> 00:54:41,827
Speaker 3: just their second Grand Final. I know it wasn't all him,

1107
00:54:41,867 --> 00:54:44,267
Speaker 3: but he was a big part of it. Tell me

1108
00:54:44,347 --> 00:54:48,147
Speaker 3: your favorite Sewn Johnson moments, oh, eight hundred and eighty,

1109
00:54:48,307 --> 00:54:51,707
Speaker 3: ten eighty, and have you ever had the chance to

1110
00:54:51,747 --> 00:54:55,707
Speaker 3: meet him, because it just seems to me that he,

1111
00:54:57,227 --> 00:54:59,707
Speaker 3: as much as anybody in any sport that I've seen,

1112
00:55:00,227 --> 00:55:04,387
Speaker 3: has always made time for his fans, particularly the kids.

1113
00:55:05,667 --> 00:55:10,267
Speaker 3: Very very rare for Shawn Johnson to walk past a

1114
00:55:10,427 --> 00:55:14,347
Speaker 3: child wanting a selfie or an autograph for a chat.

1115
00:55:15,707 --> 00:55:20,147
Speaker 3: He just seems to always make time tell us about

1116
00:55:20,147 --> 00:55:22,987
Speaker 3: any interactions you might have had with them or your

1117
00:55:22,987 --> 00:55:25,987
Speaker 3: favorite memories. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty text them

1118
00:55:26,027 --> 00:55:29,907
Speaker 3: through nine two ninety two. On the field for the Warriors,

1119
00:55:30,667 --> 00:55:34,227
Speaker 3: I am at a loss to explain what happened? What

1120
00:55:34,267 --> 00:55:36,267
Speaker 3: has happened to this team this year? Eight losses in

1121
00:55:36,267 --> 00:55:38,147
Speaker 3: the last ten. Now, the deeper analysis I think can

1122
00:55:38,187 --> 00:55:41,587
Speaker 3: probably wait until the end of the season. How a

1123
00:55:41,627 --> 00:55:43,347
Speaker 3: team that got to within one game of the Grand

1124
00:55:43,387 --> 00:55:47,187
Speaker 3: Final last year and improve their roster this year to

1125
00:55:47,307 --> 00:55:49,947
Speaker 3: the point where nobody had them finishing outside the top eight.

1126
00:55:50,067 --> 00:55:51,867
Speaker 3: Most people had them in the top four. Some even

1127
00:55:51,907 --> 00:55:56,107
Speaker 3: believe this year would be actually the year this team

1128
00:55:56,187 --> 00:55:57,507
Speaker 3: is like, you're on to finish in the bottom three.

1129
00:55:58,827 --> 00:56:00,427
Speaker 3: I mean, the NFL is a tough comp We know

1130
00:56:00,507 --> 00:56:02,347
Speaker 3: that the Broncos made the Grand Final last year. They're

1131
00:56:02,347 --> 00:56:04,747
Speaker 3: probably going to miss the eight this year. It's why

1132
00:56:04,787 --> 00:56:07,867
Speaker 3: the incredible consistency of the Panthers and the Storm is

1133
00:56:07,907 --> 00:56:11,107
Speaker 3: so impressive. But yeah, I think we can unpack the

1134
00:56:11,827 --> 00:56:14,787
Speaker 3: Warriors once the season is all done and dusted, just

1135
00:56:14,867 --> 00:56:17,667
Speaker 3: one point on last night, though, What on earth happened

1136
00:56:18,787 --> 00:56:21,147
Speaker 3: after that high shot on Roger tu vasishek Have you

1137
00:56:21,187 --> 00:56:25,947
Speaker 3: seen this? It is clear as day that he has

1138
00:56:25,987 --> 00:56:29,467
Speaker 3: taken a shoulder to the head from Bulldog skipper Stephen Crichton.

1139
00:56:30,067 --> 00:56:34,067
Speaker 3: It's as clear as anything. And yet even with a

1140
00:56:34,147 --> 00:56:38,747
Speaker 3: second look, the referee and the bunker haven't sent Crichton

1141
00:56:38,787 --> 00:56:44,387
Speaker 3: to the symbon. I put him on report. Ridiculous. Oh

1142
00:56:44,467 --> 00:56:47,947
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty fora Sewan Johnson Tributes and

1143
00:56:47,987 --> 00:56:50,027
Speaker 3: Stories nine two ninety two. If you would prefer to

1144
00:56:50,067 --> 00:56:51,987
Speaker 3: send a text Adam, I mate.

1145
00:56:52,827 --> 00:56:54,267
Speaker 20: Jason, how are you doing great?

1146
00:56:54,307 --> 00:56:54,867
Speaker 3: Thank you, Adam.

1147
00:56:56,187 --> 00:56:59,267
Speaker 20: I hope not too many Sean Johnson detractors call up

1148
00:56:59,307 --> 00:57:01,787
Speaker 20: today because it's not about that. I know he's got

1149
00:57:01,827 --> 00:57:04,707
Speaker 20: a lot of them. He should be celebrating his success

1150
00:57:04,747 --> 00:57:06,187
Speaker 20: and his memory, right yep?

1151
00:57:07,827 --> 00:57:08,107
Speaker 5: Okay?

1152
00:57:08,187 --> 00:57:15,387
Speaker 20: So for me, he is the greatest running athletic rugby

1153
00:57:15,667 --> 00:57:19,867
Speaker 20: rugby league player in history. In my opinion, I can't

1154
00:57:20,107 --> 00:57:24,187
Speaker 20: think of any other person that can run through a side,

1155
00:57:24,507 --> 00:57:28,667
Speaker 20: step around everyone and score a try, and I'm sure

1156
00:57:28,747 --> 00:57:30,587
Speaker 20: that hasn't happened in the last couple of years because

1157
00:57:30,587 --> 00:57:33,107
Speaker 20: he's got older, he's had injuries. I think we'll he

1158
00:57:33,547 --> 00:57:36,347
Speaker 20: snapped his ankle. Things got a little bit harder for him.

1159
00:57:36,347 --> 00:57:38,627
Speaker 20: A few years back. He had a plate put in

1160
00:57:38,707 --> 00:57:41,187
Speaker 20: his ankle. I don't think he trusted it. I think

1161
00:57:41,267 --> 00:57:45,067
Speaker 20: he's struggled to gain the sort of form that he's

1162
00:57:45,187 --> 00:57:47,547
Speaker 20: had as a running player, and he's had to adjust

1163
00:57:47,627 --> 00:57:51,067
Speaker 20: his game. But I can't think of a more athletic

1164
00:57:51,227 --> 00:57:55,467
Speaker 20: player running player on the field in either code in history.

1165
00:57:56,387 --> 00:57:58,187
Speaker 20: The only other person I would put up against him

1166
00:57:58,227 --> 00:58:00,827
Speaker 20: is Matt Cohen, right, and they're about the same side,

1167
00:58:00,867 --> 00:58:08,027
Speaker 20: about three foot six and paced stepping, swerving. The ability

1168
00:58:08,107 --> 00:58:09,827
Speaker 20: to beat a player, to beat a player with the

1169
00:58:09,907 --> 00:58:14,187
Speaker 20: ball on his feet remarkable. I mean, clearly that's come

1170
00:58:14,227 --> 00:58:17,907
Speaker 20: from a touch backgrounds. But I mean you just you

1171
00:58:18,027 --> 00:58:20,987
Speaker 20: just have to look at his ridiculous to tries highlights package.

1172
00:58:21,467 --> 00:58:22,587
Speaker 20: Nothing compares to it.

1173
00:58:22,787 --> 00:58:23,107
Speaker 8: Nothing.

1174
00:58:24,027 --> 00:58:25,867
Speaker 20: I don't care about what people say about the rest

1175
00:58:25,907 --> 00:58:30,227
Speaker 20: of his game. In terms of me wanting to watch

1176
00:58:31,187 --> 00:58:33,467
Speaker 20: a person on the field, I look at their athleticism.

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00:58:33,627 --> 00:58:36,387
Speaker 20: He's he is that he's a complete package as far

1178
00:58:36,467 --> 00:58:38,067
Speaker 20: as athleticism goes.

1179
00:58:39,027 --> 00:58:41,347
Speaker 3: That's a brilliant. No, Adam, that's a that's a great

1180
00:58:41,907 --> 00:58:43,187
Speaker 3: You're probably like me. I went down a bit of

1181
00:58:43,227 --> 00:58:45,827
Speaker 3: a rabbit hole yesterday, a YouTube rabbit hole, and watched

1182
00:58:46,587 --> 00:58:48,427
Speaker 3: all of a sudden an hour had gone fast. I've

1183
00:58:48,467 --> 00:58:51,347
Speaker 3: been watching that, that sidestip of Shawan Johnson's over the years,

1184
00:58:51,427 --> 00:58:53,867
Speaker 3: and yeah, I think you're right. I mean, and in

1185
00:58:54,027 --> 00:58:56,107
Speaker 3: rugby league, where there is often not a lot of

1186
00:58:56,107 --> 00:58:58,027
Speaker 3: space where he is on the field. You think about

1187
00:58:58,067 --> 00:58:59,587
Speaker 3: some of the great runner in rugby, like a Christian

1188
00:58:59,627 --> 00:59:02,227
Speaker 3: Collen for example. He you know, not to detract it

1189
00:59:02,267 --> 00:59:03,907
Speaker 3: from anything that Kelly did, but you know he's often

1190
00:59:03,907 --> 00:59:05,987
Speaker 3: from fallback. We're out a bit of space to work him.

1191
00:59:05,987 --> 00:59:08,827
Speaker 3: But often Sewan Johnson's in tight spaces and those little

1192
00:59:08,867 --> 00:59:12,907
Speaker 3: steps and then acceleration into space. Yeah, I agreement. I

1193
00:59:12,947 --> 00:59:13,827
Speaker 3: haven't seen too many better.

1194
00:59:15,267 --> 00:59:18,787
Speaker 20: And the other thing is, I think he's been used

1195
00:59:19,427 --> 00:59:22,507
Speaker 20: incorrectly over the years to some degree. I mean, I

1196
00:59:22,987 --> 00:59:26,667
Speaker 20: know people wanted to be it half back and control

1197
00:59:26,747 --> 00:59:29,267
Speaker 20: the play and run the play and tactical kicking and

1198
00:59:29,347 --> 00:59:31,707
Speaker 20: all that. I get all that, and he's very capful

1199
00:59:31,787 --> 00:59:33,587
Speaker 20: of it. But sometimes you just want to say, you

1200
00:59:33,667 --> 00:59:36,227
Speaker 20: know what, Sean just go out there today. I don't

1201
00:59:36,227 --> 00:59:38,227
Speaker 20: want you to do the kicking, because we've got someone

1202
00:59:38,267 --> 00:59:38,747
Speaker 20: else to do that.

1203
00:59:38,987 --> 00:59:41,107
Speaker 8: I just want you to run. That's all I want

1204
00:59:41,107 --> 00:59:42,987
Speaker 8: you to do, because that is the best part.

1205
00:59:42,827 --> 00:59:46,027
Speaker 20: Of your game is running. And maybe not the last

1206
00:59:46,067 --> 00:59:50,347
Speaker 20: couple of years, but let's go back eight years or so. Unbelievable,

1207
00:59:50,947 --> 00:59:57,387
Speaker 20: I mean, ridiculous ability on his feet on the field, right, great, yeah, and.

1208
00:59:57,947 --> 00:59:59,907
Speaker 3: I can't add to it. Mate, that's a great summary

1209
00:59:59,987 --> 01:00:01,987
Speaker 3: from you. Thanks for calling and mate, And I'm the

1210
01:00:02,027 --> 01:00:03,827
Speaker 3: same as you. Yes, of course, Sewan Johnson is going

1211
01:00:03,867 --> 01:00:06,187
Speaker 3: to have as detractors. I mentioned that to Michael Luck.

1212
01:00:07,627 --> 01:00:09,347
Speaker 3: I've said this a few times on the show. When

1213
01:00:09,667 --> 01:00:13,547
Speaker 3: I had the opportunity to chat to Shawn Johnson a

1214
01:00:13,587 --> 01:00:15,587
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, and I asked him the very thing,

1215
01:00:15,667 --> 01:00:18,187
Speaker 3: you know, how does he deal with when the Warriors lose?

1216
01:00:18,187 --> 01:00:20,267
Speaker 3: At Shawn Johnson's fault, he's just a lightning rod, you know,

1217
01:00:20,587 --> 01:00:24,507
Speaker 3: he's just the guy who if the Warriors lose automatically,

1218
01:00:24,547 --> 01:00:29,547
Speaker 3: people blame Seawan Johnson a lot of people. He's one

1219
01:00:29,547 --> 01:00:32,347
Speaker 3: of the first guys who gets criticized when the Warriors lose.

1220
01:00:33,627 --> 01:00:38,307
Speaker 3: And yet what a player and the same people are

1221
01:00:38,547 --> 01:00:41,627
Speaker 3: just praising him to the heavens when the Warriors winn

1222
01:00:41,627 --> 01:00:43,267
Speaker 3: and he's had a big part in it, because often

1223
01:00:43,747 --> 01:00:49,027
Speaker 3: he has. Shawn Johnson says this text the only reason

1224
01:00:49,067 --> 01:00:51,267
Speaker 3: I watched the Warriors over any other game on TV.

1225
01:00:51,627 --> 01:00:55,827
Speaker 3: Sports excitement personified and a bloody nice guy. Thanks Seawan

1226
01:00:56,507 --> 01:00:58,187
Speaker 3: agree on the Running Game, says Chris the only other

1227
01:00:58,227 --> 01:01:01,267
Speaker 3: person I can think of as a young or Renny Ae. Yeah,

1228
01:01:01,387 --> 01:01:03,707
Speaker 3: Renny Ie, what a player he was. I thought he

1229
01:01:03,827 --> 01:01:06,707
Speaker 3: was going to be like a top top play and

1230
01:01:07,027 --> 01:01:09,107
Speaker 3: was a top prevent shortan I think super rugby player

1231
01:01:09,387 --> 01:01:11,827
Speaker 3: or any ie. What about Benji Marshall, say someone, Yeah,

1232
01:01:11,827 --> 01:01:13,707
Speaker 3: of course Benji Marshalls. The other way you can you

1233
01:01:13,787 --> 01:01:17,987
Speaker 3: compare Seawan Johnson to saw some footage of Benji Marshall

1234
01:01:18,027 --> 01:01:19,787
Speaker 3: the other night when he got inducted into the NRLs

1235
01:01:19,827 --> 01:01:22,187
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. Another guy so God on his feet.

1236
01:01:22,227 --> 01:01:24,587
Speaker 3: Couple of Kiwi boys you know, love it one twenty

1237
01:01:24,627 --> 01:01:26,427
Speaker 3: seven Paul hold their mate with you right after this

1238
01:01:26,547 --> 01:01:28,587
Speaker 3: O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty spear line. If

1239
01:01:28,587 --> 01:01:30,547
Speaker 3: you want to jump aboard and pay tribute to Sean Johnson,

1240
01:01:30,587 --> 01:01:32,707
Speaker 3: particularly if you've had the opportunity to meet him in

1241
01:01:32,747 --> 01:01:35,907
Speaker 3: a in a a fan situation, or maybe your kids

1242
01:01:35,907 --> 01:01:37,867
Speaker 3: have wheredny your grand kits. We'd love to hear about

1243
01:01:37,867 --> 01:01:40,587
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Speaker 3: One thirty one. Back to the lines of the Minute Day,

1266
01:02:49,827 --> 01:02:52,507
Speaker 3: Ponty I won a competition to go a cart race

1267
01:02:52,587 --> 01:02:55,747
Speaker 3: and go kart racing, sorry against the GIZ and Shawn Johnson.

1268
01:02:55,867 --> 01:02:58,547
Speaker 3: Unfortunately I was out of the country the weekend of

1269
01:02:58,827 --> 01:03:02,227
Speaker 3: but Sean sent a video message saying he was gutted

1270
01:03:02,587 --> 01:03:05,747
Speaker 3: and couldn't wait to meet me and my boys. Wonderful stuff.

1271
01:03:05,987 --> 01:03:07,107
Speaker 3: Thanks for how are you?

1272
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Speaker 10: Yeah?

1273
01:03:10,147 --> 01:03:14,507
Speaker 21: Great interview with Michael Lucky. He's such a nice guy mate,

1274
01:03:14,507 --> 01:03:16,907
Speaker 21: and I do remember when he was here, him and

1275
01:03:16,987 --> 01:03:21,547
Speaker 21: Simon Mannering came down to Nelson and they ran there.

1276
01:03:21,747 --> 01:03:23,707
Speaker 21: He was running the water for a local league game

1277
01:03:23,787 --> 01:03:26,547
Speaker 21: down there. We're more than happy to you know, to

1278
01:03:27,187 --> 01:03:29,307
Speaker 21: talk with kids and so forth. So he's an awesome

1279
01:03:29,347 --> 01:03:31,427
Speaker 21: guy mate, Michael Luck. So that's it's good to hear

1280
01:03:31,467 --> 01:03:31,987
Speaker 21: his voice.

1281
01:03:31,787 --> 01:03:35,667
Speaker 3: Again, mate, nice one. I did yeah to Mayonna, Yeah.

1282
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Speaker 22: Yeah, sewn.

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01:03:37,707 --> 01:03:41,027
Speaker 21: Unfortunately for Sean, you know, he's a good looking blake

1284
01:03:41,067 --> 01:03:43,387
Speaker 21: with lots of money and a beautiful wife. And when

1285
01:03:43,427 --> 01:03:46,107
Speaker 21: you have that sort of that package, mate, you will

1286
01:03:46,147 --> 01:03:48,027
Speaker 21: get lots of people that will love to try and

1287
01:03:48,107 --> 01:03:51,067
Speaker 21: pull you down and kick you and so forth, and

1288
01:03:51,107 --> 01:03:53,547
Speaker 21: all the tall poppy stuff goes on, and you know

1289
01:03:53,627 --> 01:03:56,107
Speaker 21: when the worries lives at Sean's fault and so on

1290
01:03:56,227 --> 01:03:58,307
Speaker 21: and so on. But we can't take it away from

1291
01:03:58,347 --> 01:04:01,187
Speaker 21: the guy. It was a fantastic night last night. And

1292
01:04:02,307 --> 01:04:05,187
Speaker 21: he hasn't won a gratify on what Plenty of players

1293
01:04:05,787 --> 01:04:08,427
Speaker 21: great play have never won a Grand final and plenty

1294
01:04:08,467 --> 01:04:10,107
Speaker 21: you have never been in a Grand final.

1295
01:04:09,947 --> 01:04:11,587
Speaker 22: So you know.

1296
01:04:11,747 --> 01:04:13,307
Speaker 21: And there was a there was some footage of him

1297
01:04:13,347 --> 01:04:15,427
Speaker 21: giving his boots to a young girl and to burst

1298
01:04:15,467 --> 01:04:20,827
Speaker 21: into tears last one. He's an awesome guy. He changed

1299
01:04:20,867 --> 01:04:23,187
Speaker 21: the way, you know, he brought a lot of key

1300
01:04:23,267 --> 01:04:25,827
Speaker 21: wee kids to the game of rugby league as that

1301
01:04:25,947 --> 01:04:29,227
Speaker 21: Benji Marshall, you know, I hold him up there as

1302
01:04:29,227 --> 01:04:32,027
Speaker 21: a game changer of the likes of Andrew Johns and

1303
01:04:32,787 --> 01:04:35,267
Speaker 21: the great Wally Lewis and so forth. When Sean came

1304
01:04:35,307 --> 01:04:37,667
Speaker 21: on the scene, it was like, Wow, you didn't want

1305
01:04:37,667 --> 01:04:41,787
Speaker 21: to miss a Warrior's game if Sean was playing. So yeah,

1306
01:04:41,827 --> 01:04:43,267
Speaker 21: and I'm glad he's not going to be lost to

1307
01:04:43,347 --> 01:04:44,987
Speaker 21: the great game of the league, mate. I know he's

1308
01:04:45,027 --> 01:04:47,147
Speaker 21: going to be still involved in the.

1309
01:04:47,187 --> 01:04:51,707
Speaker 3: Game and a great Subbary, Paul, And yeah, exactly what

1310
01:04:51,787 --> 01:04:55,227
Speaker 3: you said there. I think, like a lot of people, Yeah,

1311
01:04:55,227 --> 01:04:58,667
Speaker 3: if Sean Johnson was playing, I'd want to watch. You can't.

1312
01:04:58,667 --> 01:05:00,787
Speaker 3: You can't say that about many players in any code.

1313
01:05:01,667 --> 01:05:03,107
Speaker 3: You say, I want to watch the Warriors, I want

1314
01:05:03,107 --> 01:05:07,067
Speaker 3: to watch the All Blacks. I want to watch Seawan Johnson. Thanks, Paul,

1315
01:05:07,627 --> 01:05:09,787
Speaker 3: appreciate it very much. Where are we Jay?

1316
01:05:09,867 --> 01:05:09,987
Speaker 9: Hi?

1317
01:05:10,107 --> 01:05:11,947
Speaker 8: Jay Hi?

1318
01:05:12,067 --> 01:05:13,187
Speaker 23: How's it going good?

1319
01:05:13,267 --> 01:05:13,427
Speaker 8: Jay?

1320
01:05:13,547 --> 01:05:14,267
Speaker 3: Very good? Thanks Mike.

1321
01:05:16,347 --> 01:05:18,747
Speaker 23: Yeah, I just want to just sort of speak on

1322
01:05:19,947 --> 01:05:21,027
Speaker 23: just Shaw Johnson.

1323
01:05:21,227 --> 01:05:24,227
Speaker 22: Just I think he came out of time when sort

1324
01:05:24,227 --> 01:05:26,427
Speaker 22: of league was that in that lull with the Warriors.

1325
01:05:27,987 --> 01:05:29,427
Speaker 23: He came with a lot of guys as well.

1326
01:05:30,067 --> 01:05:31,467
Speaker 8: You know, he came with Given.

1327
01:05:31,307 --> 01:05:34,467
Speaker 23: Locke, Russell Packer, Gloom for Shia and.

1328
01:05:34,507 --> 01:05:37,267
Speaker 22: That was all on the under twenty squad, and he

1329
01:05:37,307 --> 01:05:39,307
Speaker 22: came in a great year as well twenty eleven when

1330
01:05:39,307 --> 01:05:40,987
Speaker 22: we won a World Cup in the rugby.

1331
01:05:41,707 --> 01:05:43,627
Speaker 23: And give us I think ever since.

1332
01:05:43,467 --> 01:05:46,547
Speaker 22: Then when when he when he came on to the scene,

1333
01:05:46,587 --> 01:05:48,627
Speaker 22: that brought a lot of guys, a lot of young

1334
01:05:48,747 --> 01:05:50,827
Speaker 22: kids and that into wanted to watch.

1335
01:05:50,747 --> 01:05:54,027
Speaker 23: Rugby league because they just saw the physicality of it.

1336
01:05:54,107 --> 01:05:56,467
Speaker 23: But to have someone that's smooth and silky was the

1337
01:05:56,547 --> 01:06:00,187
Speaker 23: side stepping and the brash looks like. I think that's

1338
01:06:00,227 --> 01:06:02,787
Speaker 23: what changed a lot of It wasn't just the kids

1339
01:06:02,827 --> 01:06:03,267
Speaker 23: they brought over.

1340
01:06:03,347 --> 01:06:05,787
Speaker 22: He brought a lot of young ladies to watch the game.

1341
01:06:05,907 --> 01:06:09,707
Speaker 23: So yeah, a lot of I saw a lot of

1342
01:06:09,787 --> 01:06:12,387
Speaker 23: highlight reels as well about him. But he done a

1343
01:06:12,467 --> 01:06:16,307
Speaker 23: lot for the kbis as well, for the you know,

1344
01:06:16,387 --> 01:06:19,187
Speaker 23: the Kiwi lit team. You know he won us against

1345
01:06:19,547 --> 01:06:22,267
Speaker 23: he beat Great Britain when we beat Great Britain for

1346
01:06:22,387 --> 01:06:24,827
Speaker 23: England and to get us into the final auguinst Australia.

1347
01:06:25,267 --> 01:06:27,467
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was watching that footage, Jay, I was watching

1348
01:06:27,547 --> 01:06:30,387
Speaker 3: that very footage this morning of that try he gets

1349
01:06:30,507 --> 01:06:32,427
Speaker 3: right at the end for us to beat England or

1350
01:06:32,467 --> 01:06:35,667
Speaker 3: Great Britain and make the final twenty thirteen Rugby League

1351
01:06:35,667 --> 01:06:39,307
Speaker 3: World Cup, and it's just quintessential Sewn Johnson. He might

1352
01:06:39,347 --> 01:06:40,307
Speaker 3: as well been playing touch.

1353
01:06:40,787 --> 01:06:44,987
Speaker 22: You know, I remember watching actually watching it in the game,

1354
01:06:45,387 --> 01:06:46,467
Speaker 22: like watching the actual game.

1355
01:06:46,507 --> 01:06:49,547
Speaker 23: I remember it to the day and I was thinking, let's.

1356
01:06:49,347 --> 01:06:51,827
Speaker 24: Just hold the ball, hold the ball, get a repeat set.

1357
01:06:52,627 --> 01:06:55,347
Speaker 24: And when he did that, I just jumped out. I

1358
01:06:55,467 --> 01:06:57,587
Speaker 24: jumped off the couch and started yelling and screaming. My

1359
01:06:57,667 --> 01:07:02,027
Speaker 24: wife's cam in what you know whatever. But that's what

1360
01:07:02,187 --> 01:07:03,187
Speaker 24: That's what sport does to you.

1361
01:07:03,707 --> 01:07:07,187
Speaker 23: You know, brings people together and they can also pull

1362
01:07:07,227 --> 01:07:09,947
Speaker 23: people away because of how how we go. We're not,

1363
01:07:10,947 --> 01:07:11,747
Speaker 23: I says Kiwis.

1364
01:07:11,747 --> 01:07:15,787
Speaker 22: We're quite conservative, but we're also the biggest distractors when

1365
01:07:15,827 --> 01:07:17,267
Speaker 22: it comes to our heroes.

1366
01:07:18,507 --> 01:07:20,347
Speaker 3: Good on you, Jay, Yeah, not many sports people can

1367
01:07:20,387 --> 01:07:22,667
Speaker 3: make a jump off the couch. What a you know,

1368
01:07:23,107 --> 01:07:26,507
Speaker 3: what a talent to have had to make people jump

1369
01:07:26,547 --> 01:07:28,787
Speaker 3: off their couch and have their wife come running in wonderroom.

1370
01:07:28,787 --> 01:07:31,907
Speaker 3: What's going on? Ye special player? That was an amazing,

1371
01:07:32,507 --> 01:07:35,187
Speaker 3: amazing try score twenty thirteen. Thanks Jake, Drive safe mate,

1372
01:07:35,187 --> 01:07:35,747
Speaker 3: Good to jet to you.

1373
01:07:36,187 --> 01:07:40,427
Speaker 25: Hi Marke there a going buddy, good comments, but good

1374
01:07:40,507 --> 01:07:43,507
Speaker 25: comments by everybody, Buddy. Unfortunately I never got to see

1375
01:07:43,587 --> 01:07:46,907
Speaker 25: him live, but I always enjoyed watching them on TV.

1376
01:07:48,547 --> 01:07:49,587
Speaker 23: I got three others.

1377
01:07:49,427 --> 01:07:52,627
Speaker 25: Made who, in my opinion too, are also brilliant on

1378
01:07:52,707 --> 01:07:56,107
Speaker 25: their feet, and I just REGI their names up and

1379
01:07:56,147 --> 01:07:59,147
Speaker 25: I'll just hear your comments on them, and that the

1380
01:07:59,227 --> 01:08:03,507
Speaker 25: last quarter just mentioned Martinum, Wally Lewis, Elfie Banger, and

1381
01:08:03,627 --> 01:08:07,507
Speaker 25: Jonathan Thurston all had a very step.

1382
01:08:07,507 --> 01:08:08,107
Speaker 3: Very good.

1383
01:08:10,027 --> 01:08:10,227
Speaker 8: Step.

1384
01:08:10,827 --> 01:08:11,987
Speaker 25: I think especially Elfie.

1385
01:08:12,707 --> 01:08:13,787
Speaker 9: Elfie was pretty.

1386
01:08:13,547 --> 01:08:14,347
Speaker 21: Damn good at doing it.

1387
01:08:15,267 --> 01:08:17,827
Speaker 3: I always thought I always thought Ellen Langer, Elfie Langer

1388
01:08:17,907 --> 01:08:20,587
Speaker 3: was just going to get absolutely monstered by some huge

1389
01:08:20,667 --> 01:08:24,627
Speaker 3: opposition forwards because he was so so short, so little,

1390
01:08:24,987 --> 01:08:27,147
Speaker 3: but he was so tough and he just didn't ever

1391
01:08:27,227 --> 01:08:30,027
Speaker 3: seem to He just guys just bounced off him for

1392
01:08:30,107 --> 01:08:32,587
Speaker 3: some reason. I still think of the guys you mentioned

1393
01:08:32,587 --> 01:08:35,747
Speaker 3: your Wally Lewis obviously generational player, Jonathan Thurston one of

1394
01:08:35,787 --> 01:08:38,467
Speaker 3: the absolute greats. All three, Yeah, I still don't know

1395
01:08:38,507 --> 01:08:41,547
Speaker 3: whether they had the silky smoothness of Sean.

1396
01:08:42,307 --> 01:08:44,787
Speaker 25: Okay, yep, yeah, but there just three I just readled

1397
01:08:44,867 --> 01:08:47,707
Speaker 25: off and yeah, but all good comments from everybody so far.

1398
01:08:47,867 --> 01:08:50,667
Speaker 25: You know, just unfortunate that he hasn't won a premiership.

1399
01:08:50,707 --> 01:08:52,827
Speaker 25: And I've I've never seen him play live.

1400
01:08:53,027 --> 01:08:54,867
Speaker 5: But a great player.

1401
01:08:55,667 --> 01:08:59,147
Speaker 3: Good on your mark, good yeah, good names to enter

1402
01:08:59,227 --> 01:09:04,827
Speaker 3: the discussion. Jared, Hi, mate, Heney, here you go. Jared done, great.

1403
01:09:04,667 --> 01:09:07,467
Speaker 10: Mate, that's good. The last time I spoke to you

1404
01:09:07,707 --> 01:09:09,107
Speaker 10: was on radio.

1405
01:09:08,867 --> 01:09:10,187
Speaker 8: Sports, so it's for a while.

1406
01:09:11,107 --> 01:09:13,067
Speaker 3: What you and you're not the Jared You're not the

1407
01:09:13,187 --> 01:09:15,587
Speaker 3: Jared of title of the Titans fame, are you?

1408
01:09:18,587 --> 01:09:18,627
Speaker 10: No?

1409
01:09:18,867 --> 01:09:20,147
Speaker 8: No, not at all different?

1410
01:09:20,187 --> 01:09:22,667
Speaker 3: Jared different, Jared Yeah.

1411
01:09:22,587 --> 01:09:25,627
Speaker 10: Different, Jared Poney. But hey, look, I think one of

1412
01:09:25,627 --> 01:09:27,867
Speaker 10: the nicest guys on radio and always listened to you,

1413
01:09:27,947 --> 01:09:30,467
Speaker 10: and I said, though you're you're a good fella. Thank

1414
01:09:30,547 --> 01:09:36,547
Speaker 10: you a poney on Seawan Johnson one of the great

1415
01:09:36,627 --> 01:09:39,907
Speaker 10: players that were produced. And one of my favorite memories

1416
01:09:40,027 --> 01:09:45,307
Speaker 10: was last year when we played the Sharks and he

1417
01:09:45,427 --> 01:09:49,427
Speaker 10: snatched the game the jaws of defeat there and that

1418
01:09:49,907 --> 01:09:52,387
Speaker 10: was I thought one of the turning points of the season.

1419
01:09:53,867 --> 01:09:58,947
Speaker 10: And Sean was quintessentially responsible for us winning that game

1420
01:09:59,067 --> 01:10:01,907
Speaker 10: last year in Creda. I thought that was an awesome game.

1421
01:10:02,547 --> 01:10:04,027
Speaker 3: He was that the one when we came back from

1422
01:10:04,187 --> 01:10:06,747
Speaker 3: I don't know, twenty points down or something, and he

1423
01:10:06,827 --> 01:10:08,387
Speaker 3: did he did he drop a goal or kick a

1424
01:10:08,427 --> 01:10:09,987
Speaker 3: penalty right near the end to win it for us.

1425
01:10:10,987 --> 01:10:15,147
Speaker 10: That's exactly right, Poney, and I felt that was the

1426
01:10:15,227 --> 01:10:17,227
Speaker 10: turning point. I thought, well that this is the team

1427
01:10:17,347 --> 01:10:21,547
Speaker 10: that gave him belief from that game onwards and and

1428
01:10:21,787 --> 01:10:25,307
Speaker 10: and gave them the conference going forward to the rest

1429
01:10:25,347 --> 01:10:28,627
Speaker 10: of the season. And I was just amazed with what

1430
01:10:28,747 --> 01:10:30,267
Speaker 10: Sewn did that night.

1431
01:10:30,387 --> 01:10:31,067
Speaker 8: That was incredible.

1432
01:10:31,107 --> 01:10:32,787
Speaker 10: And it was in the rain too towards the end.

1433
01:10:32,867 --> 01:10:34,987
Speaker 10: It was that's very conditions.

1434
01:10:35,387 --> 01:10:41,107
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, good on you mate. So you're keeping well, yeah,

1435
01:10:41,107 --> 01:10:43,067
Speaker 3: it's been a while since the radio sport Days.

1436
01:10:45,307 --> 01:10:47,987
Speaker 10: Has been and we're going back a bit because we

1437
01:10:48,067 --> 01:10:50,267
Speaker 10: were saying was your producer.

1438
01:10:50,267 --> 01:10:52,627
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I still I'm still still in very close

1439
01:10:52,707 --> 01:10:54,587
Speaker 3: touch with Sam Hewett, another very good man.

1440
01:10:55,707 --> 01:10:56,387
Speaker 8: Oh good stuff.

1441
01:10:56,387 --> 01:10:58,907
Speaker 10: It was just it was quite a bad timing Piney,

1442
01:10:58,947 --> 01:11:00,667
Speaker 10: because just before the lockdown.

1443
01:11:00,307 --> 01:11:02,907
Speaker 3: If I recall, yes, that's right, that's that's when we

1444
01:11:03,147 --> 01:11:05,827
Speaker 3: knocked it on the head. Well, we won't go into

1445
01:11:05,867 --> 01:11:07,387
Speaker 3: it here, but I think we would have kept people

1446
01:11:07,467 --> 01:11:10,507
Speaker 3: quite good company during the lockdown, reminiscing about stuff like

1447
01:11:10,587 --> 01:11:12,747
Speaker 3: we've been talking about, you know, old the old days

1448
01:11:12,787 --> 01:11:15,147
Speaker 3: of rugby rugby league. But you know, be that as

1449
01:11:15,187 --> 01:11:16,827
Speaker 3: it make good dev you stare listening and Jared I

1450
01:11:16,827 --> 01:11:17,747
Speaker 3: appreciate it very much.

1451
01:11:18,427 --> 01:11:20,227
Speaker 10: Good on your boddie, Thanks very much, all.

1452
01:11:20,187 --> 01:11:23,627
Speaker 3: Right, ma take it easy. Twenty to two. Yeah, good

1453
01:11:23,667 --> 01:11:25,387
Speaker 3: to reminiss a bit a bit about Shawn Johnson. I

1454
01:11:25,427 --> 01:11:28,067
Speaker 3: found that clip, like I say, that clip of of

1455
01:11:28,427 --> 01:11:30,667
Speaker 3: Sewn Johnson scoring that try right at the end of

1456
01:11:30,747 --> 01:11:36,267
Speaker 3: the twenty thirteen World Cup semi final against England. It's

1457
01:11:36,347 --> 01:11:43,667
Speaker 3: a millet for heroes, big for Johnson. Johnson, leno run

1458
01:11:43,747 --> 01:11:45,987
Speaker 3: it sign shot Johnson.

1459
01:11:47,067 --> 01:11:50,867
Speaker 26: What the child look bats on a level with a

1460
01:11:50,947 --> 01:11:52,907
Speaker 26: literally seconds to play.

1461
01:11:54,347 --> 01:11:56,267
Speaker 3: No, he's gonna tip to win the game.

1462
01:11:56,667 --> 01:12:01,227
Speaker 27: They shut up to the lane, they open to take.

1463
01:12:01,147 --> 01:12:03,027
Speaker 3: Your side into a World Cup final.

1464
01:12:03,707 --> 01:12:05,827
Speaker 28: Peace Now that's he.

1465
01:12:08,387 --> 01:12:08,867
Speaker 8: O lo on that.

1466
01:12:08,987 --> 01:12:10,627
Speaker 3: Just google it when you get the chance. Not now

1467
01:12:10,667 --> 01:12:13,427
Speaker 3: you're listening to us, but just google twenty thirteen Rugby

1468
01:12:13,747 --> 01:12:16,747
Speaker 3: League World Cup semi final on New Zealand England. The

1469
01:12:16,987 --> 01:12:23,307
Speaker 3: try it is chef's kiss stuff from Sean Johnson. Nineteen

1470
01:12:23,387 --> 01:12:24,947
Speaker 3: to two. We'll take a break, come back and hit

1471
01:12:24,947 --> 01:12:27,627
Speaker 3: across the Tasman. Adam Peacock in his regular slot here

1472
01:12:27,707 --> 01:12:30,787
Speaker 3: on Saturday afternoons the big.

1473
01:12:30,707 --> 01:12:34,267
Speaker 1: Issues on and after fields call oh, eight hundred eighty

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1475
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Speaker 1: New Zealand's first trusted home builder, News Talks Hit Baby.

1476
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Speaker 3: One forty four News Talks. Thereby this time every Saturday afternoon,

1477
01:12:45,667 --> 01:12:47,947
Speaker 3: we have the pleasure of the company of Australian correspondent

1478
01:12:48,027 --> 01:12:50,387
Speaker 3: Adam Peacock. Today's no exception. How are you mate?

1479
01:12:51,627 --> 01:12:52,587
Speaker 29: Good time to yourself?

1480
01:12:52,947 --> 01:12:53,027
Speaker 28: Oh?

1481
01:12:53,187 --> 01:12:54,827
Speaker 3: Very good, thanks mate. We've been talking a bit over

1482
01:12:54,907 --> 01:12:57,627
Speaker 3: here today in the last forty eight hours about Leon

1483
01:12:57,747 --> 01:13:00,667
Speaker 3: McDonald's departure from the All Blacks coaching setup. You reckon.

1484
01:13:01,267 --> 01:13:03,947
Speaker 3: Wallaby's coach Joe Schmidt might have been on the phone

1485
01:13:03,987 --> 01:13:04,347
Speaker 3: to him.

1486
01:13:05,827 --> 01:13:09,427
Speaker 29: Possibly, It depends what Joe needs, I mean, if it's

1487
01:13:09,467 --> 01:13:14,267
Speaker 29: a tack coach or attack minded coach they need, well,

1488
01:13:14,467 --> 01:13:16,067
Speaker 29: it seems like a pretty good fit. They know each

1489
01:13:16,067 --> 01:13:19,347
Speaker 29: other pretty well. Lean McDonald's will remember him covering us

1490
01:13:19,427 --> 01:13:22,227
Speaker 29: up on more than the od occasion for the All Blacks.

1491
01:13:22,827 --> 01:13:27,907
Speaker 29: So yeah, and the Wallabies are still kind of forming themselves,

1492
01:13:28,027 --> 01:13:30,547
Speaker 29: especially with the ball, as we saw in these two

1493
01:13:30,587 --> 01:13:33,387
Speaker 29: matches so far against South Africa, the ones that really count,

1494
01:13:33,427 --> 01:13:35,387
Speaker 29: I mean, obviously there was Wales and Georgia before that,

1495
01:13:35,547 --> 01:13:40,107
Speaker 29: but the heavy hitters, which South Africa definitely are struggle

1496
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Speaker 29: to kind of find some cohesiveness. So it could very

1497
01:13:45,387 --> 01:13:46,707
Speaker 29: well be an option, and I think a lot of

1498
01:13:46,747 --> 01:13:48,787
Speaker 29: people in Australian rugby will be well open to the

1499
01:13:48,867 --> 01:13:53,507
Speaker 29: idea because any knowledge that can value add the set

1500
01:13:53,587 --> 01:13:56,147
Speaker 29: up over here, and I don't know, maybe it's something

1501
01:13:56,187 --> 01:13:58,787
Speaker 29: that they can look at to help out the underage

1502
01:13:58,827 --> 01:14:01,667
Speaker 29: teams as well across the board, and maybe he can

1503
01:14:01,707 --> 01:14:03,427
Speaker 29: have a remit there. But if he's all of a

1504
01:14:03,467 --> 01:14:06,707
Speaker 29: sudden available thanks to the buttting of heads with the

1505
01:14:06,787 --> 01:14:09,187
Speaker 29: AB's coach at the moment, well it's worth a look

1506
01:14:09,387 --> 01:14:10,227
Speaker 29: from my perspective.

1507
01:14:10,267 --> 01:14:13,267
Speaker 3: Anyway, did this make headlines over there? Was huge news

1508
01:14:13,307 --> 01:14:16,907
Speaker 3: over here? Did it sort of make headlines over your side?

1509
01:14:17,947 --> 01:14:21,467
Speaker 29: Yeah, not huge headlines. It's more about the Wallabies, but

1510
01:14:21,547 --> 01:14:24,347
Speaker 29: it certainly came up in the last couple of days.

1511
01:14:24,427 --> 01:14:27,907
Speaker 29: Obviously not to the degree over there, because it's so

1512
01:14:28,467 --> 01:14:30,987
Speaker 29: unall black like, which I'm sure more than a few

1513
01:14:31,067 --> 01:14:34,107
Speaker 29: many people have mentioned over there that a coaching team

1514
01:14:34,427 --> 01:14:38,187
Speaker 29: midstream breaks up. It's kind of weird and you don't

1515
01:14:38,227 --> 01:14:41,307
Speaker 29: hear of it that often anywhere, and rugby especially not

1516
01:14:41,427 --> 01:14:45,067
Speaker 29: with New Zealand. But yeah, cause a few ripples and

1517
01:14:45,107 --> 01:14:47,387
Speaker 29: that's where the idea came up that maybe Joe Smith

1518
01:14:47,547 --> 01:14:49,627
Speaker 29: putting two and two together, maybe we're getting fives that

1519
01:14:50,027 --> 01:14:51,067
Speaker 29: you might reach out to him.

1520
01:14:51,467 --> 01:14:54,147
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an open market, that's for sure. During the week,

1521
01:14:54,227 --> 01:14:57,107
Speaker 3: South Sydney and Rooster Icon Ron Coot announced as Rugby

1522
01:14:57,187 --> 01:15:00,587
Speaker 3: League's fourteenth Immortal one hundred and forty eight premiership games

1523
01:15:00,627 --> 01:15:03,027
Speaker 3: for South Sydney, hundred and nine for Eastern Suburbs. He

1524
01:15:03,107 --> 01:15:06,347
Speaker 3: won four Grand finals with South and two with Eastern Suburbs.

1525
01:15:06,547 --> 01:15:09,427
Speaker 3: Was he a popular choice as the fourteenth and mortal?

1526
01:15:10,587 --> 01:15:13,267
Speaker 29: Yeah, very because he's obviously getting on of it.

1527
01:15:13,387 --> 01:15:13,547
Speaker 8: Ron.

1528
01:15:13,547 --> 01:15:15,987
Speaker 29: He's now eighty and he's had a few cracks at

1529
01:15:16,067 --> 01:15:19,667
Speaker 29: possibly getting in and this award goes back to nine

1530
01:15:19,907 --> 01:15:22,707
Speaker 29: eighty one they constructed it. He's the fourteenth, so they

1531
01:15:22,747 --> 01:15:25,067
Speaker 29: don't let him in every year, but you know, they

1532
01:15:25,147 --> 01:15:27,307
Speaker 29: elevate who they see fit and have a good look

1533
01:15:27,347 --> 01:15:31,867
Speaker 29: at who absolutely deserves it, and there's no one since

1534
01:15:32,427 --> 01:15:34,907
Speaker 29: the other night, since Wednesday night saying that this guy

1535
01:15:34,987 --> 01:15:37,547
Speaker 29: doesn't deserve it. It was just a matter of where

1536
01:15:37,627 --> 01:15:39,867
Speaker 29: he plays, who he was up against. When other people

1537
01:15:39,947 --> 01:15:42,267
Speaker 29: got inducted, and I think they've had a bit of

1538
01:15:42,307 --> 01:15:44,427
Speaker 29: a turnover in the judging panel, and I think some

1539
01:15:44,547 --> 01:15:47,307
Speaker 29: fresh eyes have looked at it and gone, well, this guy.

1540
01:15:47,267 --> 01:15:47,707
Speaker 2: What he's done.

1541
01:15:47,747 --> 01:15:49,867
Speaker 29: You mentioned your CV there, what he's done in the game,

1542
01:15:51,267 --> 01:15:53,787
Speaker 29: good human being. Everyone has a good word to say

1543
01:15:53,787 --> 01:15:56,867
Speaker 29: about him. It made sense on so many levels. So yeah,

1544
01:15:56,867 --> 01:15:58,147
Speaker 29: a lot of people have for it and happy for

1545
01:15:58,267 --> 01:15:59,067
Speaker 29: him on Wednesday Night.

1546
01:15:59,587 --> 01:16:02,467
Speaker 3: So they don't induct somebody every year. It's just as

1547
01:16:02,547 --> 01:16:04,947
Speaker 3: and when they see that it's suitable.

1548
01:16:06,107 --> 01:16:10,227
Speaker 29: Yeah, And I think now the debate is how they

1549
01:16:10,307 --> 01:16:13,467
Speaker 29: set some parameters around who's eligible when you should be

1550
01:16:13,587 --> 01:16:16,947
Speaker 29: up for it. I personally think with because they go

1551
01:16:17,107 --> 01:16:19,867
Speaker 29: Hall of Fame and then Immortal, which is the kind

1552
01:16:19,907 --> 01:16:23,707
Speaker 29: of you know, the highest accolade you can get. But

1553
01:16:23,827 --> 01:16:27,027
Speaker 29: Hall of Fame is still pretty good. I personally think

1554
01:16:28,467 --> 01:16:31,987
Speaker 29: ten years if you're Hall of Fame to be becoming

1555
01:16:31,987 --> 01:16:35,907
Speaker 29: an immortal, it's at least five years, ten years a wait,

1556
01:16:35,987 --> 01:16:38,147
Speaker 29: because they were throwing up Cameron Smith as it possible

1557
01:16:38,147 --> 01:16:41,147
Speaker 29: as an immortal, but I think it was the first

1558
01:16:41,267 --> 01:16:44,187
Speaker 29: year he was eligible for the Hall of Fame, so

1559
01:16:44,347 --> 01:16:47,387
Speaker 29: it's like I was jumping ahead and yes, he's definitely

1560
01:16:47,627 --> 01:16:50,187
Speaker 29: going to become an immortal one day, but I don't know.

1561
01:16:50,307 --> 01:16:52,707
Speaker 29: I'd like to see them maybe go every two or

1562
01:16:52,787 --> 01:16:54,987
Speaker 29: three years is going to be an immortal, and you

1563
01:16:55,147 --> 01:16:57,347
Speaker 29: have to have a ten years split from when you

1564
01:16:57,427 --> 01:16:59,507
Speaker 29: stop playing or when you get into the Hall of Fame,

1565
01:16:59,587 --> 01:17:01,907
Speaker 29: so when you become an immortal, but you know it's

1566
01:17:01,987 --> 01:17:04,387
Speaker 29: by the bye, they're going to be people overlooked all

1567
01:17:04,427 --> 01:17:06,827
Speaker 29: the time and people up for debate. It should be there,

1568
01:17:06,867 --> 01:17:09,667
Speaker 29: shouldn't be there. So yeah, it's a hard one.

1569
01:17:10,227 --> 01:17:13,547
Speaker 3: Indeed, and we're reaching the business end. In fact, we're

1570
01:17:13,547 --> 01:17:16,147
Speaker 3: at the very end of the regular season in AFL,

1571
01:17:16,347 --> 01:17:18,947
Speaker 3: so obviously everyone in Victoria will be all over this

1572
01:17:19,067 --> 01:17:21,107
Speaker 3: and others around the place too. A made of mine

1573
01:17:21,147 --> 01:17:24,147
Speaker 3: who actually lives in Melbourne, is a Sydney Swans fan, Adham,

1574
01:17:24,147 --> 01:17:25,947
Speaker 3: and I spoke to him yesterday on message. I said

1575
01:17:26,187 --> 01:17:28,067
Speaker 3: Swan's going to win it all and he said, we're

1576
01:17:28,147 --> 01:17:30,187
Speaker 3: on fire in the first half of the season, clearly

1577
01:17:30,227 --> 01:17:33,187
Speaker 3: ahead of the rest, but are falling away lately. If

1578
01:17:33,227 --> 01:17:34,707
Speaker 3: they can play at their best, then they'll go all

1579
01:17:34,747 --> 01:17:36,267
Speaker 3: the way. But I'm not that confident at the moment.

1580
01:17:36,267 --> 01:17:38,027
Speaker 3: They've picked too early a bit like us when we

1581
01:17:38,147 --> 01:17:40,907
Speaker 3: get together for a beer. So does that hand like,

1582
01:17:41,267 --> 01:17:43,747
Speaker 3: does that's hand like to Sydney Swans. Has he summed

1583
01:17:43,747 --> 01:17:44,147
Speaker 3: it up.

1584
01:17:44,067 --> 01:17:47,267
Speaker 29: Well as he summed it up very well for us

1585
01:17:47,307 --> 01:17:47,907
Speaker 29: in middle age.

1586
01:17:49,067 --> 01:17:49,267
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1587
01:17:49,827 --> 01:17:54,027
Speaker 29: Yeah, they definitely had a like a three quarter season

1588
01:17:54,107 --> 01:17:56,187
Speaker 29: dip where they just I mean they went to Adelaide

1589
01:17:56,187 --> 01:17:58,867
Speaker 29: one night and got absolutely pummeled by Port Adelaide who

1590
01:17:59,187 --> 01:18:00,747
Speaker 29: an hour and a bit of a run. They probably

1591
01:18:00,747 --> 01:18:02,507
Speaker 29: the form and see him going into the finals Port

1592
01:18:02,547 --> 01:18:06,227
Speaker 29: Adelaide exciting last weekend because yeah, the Swan should still

1593
01:18:06,387 --> 01:18:08,827
Speaker 29: in his top something disastrous that have to happen for

1594
01:18:08,907 --> 01:18:11,787
Speaker 29: them to miss out on that. But positions two, three

1595
01:18:11,867 --> 01:18:14,827
Speaker 29: to ten are still open for debate. Collingwood can't make

1596
01:18:14,867 --> 01:18:16,907
Speaker 29: the finals after last night how they won but not

1597
01:18:17,027 --> 01:18:20,067
Speaker 29: well enough. Freemantle in the last game of the weekend

1598
01:18:20,147 --> 01:18:22,787
Speaker 29: can jump into the eighth. But yeah, the form lines

1599
01:18:22,867 --> 01:18:25,587
Speaker 29: going in Port Adelaide are probably the best team. But

1600
01:18:25,747 --> 01:18:28,547
Speaker 29: Sydney on their day are the best team because you

1601
01:18:28,667 --> 01:18:30,947
Speaker 29: may right, they were dynamic in the first part and

1602
01:18:31,027 --> 01:18:31,347
Speaker 29: they just.

1603
01:18:31,707 --> 01:18:32,627
Speaker 23: It was really weird.

1604
01:18:33,067 --> 01:18:36,747
Speaker 29: I think they've turned the corner. But yeah, their last

1605
01:18:36,747 --> 01:18:38,547
Speaker 29: game tonight against Adelaide who are going to miss the

1606
01:18:38,587 --> 01:18:40,507
Speaker 29: finals will tell a lot about what they're going to

1607
01:18:40,907 --> 01:18:42,947
Speaker 29: do in the finals. But the one big thing is

1608
01:18:43,027 --> 01:18:46,387
Speaker 29: Piney that you got the massive chance of a non

1609
01:18:46,907 --> 01:18:52,787
Speaker 29: victorian all the non Victorian Grand Final. The top four

1610
01:18:52,987 --> 01:18:56,347
Speaker 29: part Geelong should get into the top possibly get into

1611
01:18:56,347 --> 01:18:59,707
Speaker 29: the top four, top falls non Victorian. So there's not

1612
01:18:59,747 --> 01:19:01,347
Speaker 29: going to be a lot of finals game in Melbourne,

1613
01:19:01,507 --> 01:19:03,587
Speaker 29: which is interesting, very interesting.

1614
01:19:03,667 --> 01:19:06,467
Speaker 3: Yeah, they won't. I won't like it down there to

1615
01:19:06,547 --> 01:19:08,387
Speaker 3: chat as always mate, thanks for taking the time. We'll

1616
01:19:08,547 --> 01:19:09,627
Speaker 3: catch up again next Saturday.

1617
01:19:10,907 --> 01:19:11,267
Speaker 8: That's good.

1618
01:19:11,307 --> 01:19:12,587
Speaker 20: Thanks many thanks mate.

1619
01:19:12,587 --> 01:19:16,507
Speaker 3: Adam Peacock our regular Australian correspondent here on Saturday afternoons

1620
01:19:16,587 --> 01:19:18,187
Speaker 3: nine and a half away from two. Before we get

1621
01:19:18,187 --> 01:19:20,227
Speaker 3: to the two o'clock news, just want to pay tribute

1622
01:19:20,267 --> 01:19:21,867
Speaker 3: to a blo. Like I mentioned at the top of

1623
01:19:21,867 --> 01:19:24,547
Speaker 3: the show, Graham Moody passed away thirteen years ago today.

1624
01:19:24,547 --> 01:19:26,427
Speaker 3: I got a are we tribute for him right after.

1625
01:19:26,347 --> 01:19:30,387
Speaker 1: This breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails

1626
01:19:31,987 --> 01:19:34,947
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason hin News Talk.

1627
01:19:35,067 --> 01:19:37,547
Speaker 3: Zenb just on six away from two. We're at the

1628
01:19:37,587 --> 01:19:40,907
Speaker 3: Paralympic Games after two with flag bearer and Grimaldi also

1629
01:19:40,987 --> 01:19:43,427
Speaker 3: talked some tennis and some football. But as I mentioned

1630
01:19:43,467 --> 01:19:45,307
Speaker 3: at the top of the show, it's thirteen years to

1631
01:19:45,427 --> 01:19:47,187
Speaker 3: the day since we lost one of the all time

1632
01:19:47,307 --> 01:19:54,067
Speaker 3: greats of sports broadcasting, Graham Moody. No one did it

1633
01:19:54,147 --> 01:19:56,427
Speaker 3: quite like Moods running in from death.

1634
01:19:56,467 --> 01:19:59,427
Speaker 4: Tommody Allison, SI, so bea time.

1635
01:19:59,387 --> 01:20:01,787
Speaker 3: To this hide clock ball under the light arm.

1636
01:20:02,027 --> 01:20:05,067
Speaker 25: And Tommody Arison, don't behind the post for the hurricane.

1637
01:20:05,867 --> 01:20:10,867
Speaker 3: Second hook up kickoff from Kirkpatrick KKK, John Scharva.

1638
01:20:11,067 --> 01:20:14,067
Speaker 17: John Shaver Geki's ball sweating.

1639
01:20:13,747 --> 01:20:15,467
Speaker 3: Head tower than two meters.

1640
01:20:15,267 --> 01:20:18,267
Speaker 4: Of the line and he's ball in the touch Za

1641
01:20:18,467 --> 01:20:20,667
Speaker 4: Lawrence to Stows and center field.

1642
01:20:20,467 --> 01:20:23,387
Speaker 3: Who straight ends on breaks caught by the shorts fistick

1643
01:20:23,427 --> 01:20:28,147
Speaker 3: and right side away shoven stars another sticks for New

1644
01:20:28,227 --> 01:20:30,267
Speaker 3: Zealand five mil kick.

1645
01:20:30,187 --> 01:20:32,467
Speaker 1: To com one thirty three to play in the past

1646
01:20:32,547 --> 01:20:35,747
Speaker 1: half up game breakover hats from Sherwin Stours.

1647
01:20:35,827 --> 01:20:38,107
Speaker 18: The ball bounces out to Karta, takes into the tangle,

1648
01:20:38,147 --> 01:20:38,907
Speaker 18: then it's cleared.

1649
01:20:38,667 --> 01:20:40,627
Speaker 3: Again to Israel. Dang is round dag.

1650
01:20:40,467 --> 01:20:41,627
Speaker 4: Sels a dammy go through.

1651
01:20:41,867 --> 01:20:42,947
Speaker 30: He beat it in the line.

1652
01:20:44,187 --> 01:20:44,787
Speaker 16: He's all.

1653
01:20:46,347 --> 01:20:47,307
Speaker 3: A crazy shot.

1654
01:20:47,547 --> 01:20:51,147
Speaker 4: Seventy five long years after the tamp back in nineteen

1655
01:20:51,227 --> 01:20:55,307
Speaker 4: twenty eight and after four unsuccessful campaigns and forty nine

1656
01:20:55,787 --> 01:20:59,387
Speaker 4: nineteen sixty, nineteen seventy and seventy six. The man and

1657
01:20:59,467 --> 01:21:01,827
Speaker 4: the mighty goody of them all. They're black with the

1658
01:21:01,947 --> 01:21:04,147
Speaker 4: summer furn have lived the dream to win a pit

1659
01:21:04,267 --> 01:21:05,507
Speaker 4: theory in South Africa.

1660
01:21:05,707 --> 01:21:10,267
Speaker 10: That is all Dealen fty Old.

1661
01:21:10,187 --> 01:21:14,867
Speaker 4: Cup nineteen ninety nine Beaten bark Car forty three to

1662
01:21:15,027 --> 01:21:18,507
Speaker 4: thirty one after mid by twenty four to ten earlier

1663
01:21:18,507 --> 01:21:22,027
Speaker 4: in the first half. The Frenchman stands arms in the air.

1664
01:21:22,627 --> 01:21:26,907
Speaker 3: The all backs hits down. The unbelievable has happened.

1665
01:21:27,347 --> 01:21:31,947
Speaker 4: Front forty three US Dealen nifety one, ball.

1666
01:21:31,787 --> 01:21:34,787
Speaker 3: Comes, thows, kicks through. By January, bounces up to way two.

1667
01:21:34,947 --> 01:21:35,947
Speaker 10: He's up to half light.

1668
01:21:36,147 --> 01:21:38,467
Speaker 4: He's got too two is Lam, He's got really under

1669
01:21:38,547 --> 01:21:40,787
Speaker 4: tent fight, he's twenty two.

1670
01:21:44,827 --> 01:21:47,667
Speaker 3: You have I said all that time, some time I

1671
01:21:47,787 --> 01:21:48,427
Speaker 3: got a stake.

1672
01:21:48,747 --> 01:22:34,067
Speaker 1: Punish The only place for the big names, the big issues,

1673
01:22:34,827 --> 01:22:39,707
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1674
01:22:39,867 --> 01:22:43,667
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vine on your home of Sport

1675
01:22:44,147 --> 01:22:44,707
Speaker 1: News Talks.

1676
01:22:44,747 --> 01:22:45,027
Speaker 8: It'd be.

1677
01:22:46,787 --> 01:22:49,307
Speaker 3: Tillo seven. Welcome into the show. Welcome back to the show.

1678
01:22:49,387 --> 01:22:51,907
Speaker 3: Good to have you along for part of your Saturday afternoon.

1679
01:22:51,947 --> 01:22:54,107
Speaker 3: I'm Jason Fine. Andy McDonald's the producer of the show.

1680
01:22:54,307 --> 01:22:56,947
Speaker 3: We're u till three, then Tim Beveridge takes over. We're

1681
01:22:56,947 --> 01:22:59,067
Speaker 3: back tomorrow. Going to talk a bit of America's Cup tomorrow.

1682
01:22:59,467 --> 01:23:01,667
Speaker 3: Keen to know whether it's grabbed you? Has it grabbed you?

1683
01:23:03,427 --> 01:23:06,427
Speaker 3: Drugs and sport We'll talk about that tomorrow too, and

1684
01:23:06,547 --> 01:23:10,307
Speaker 3: other bits and pieces. Are this hour Paralympic flag bearer

1685
01:23:10,387 --> 01:23:12,747
Speaker 3: for New Zealand or one of and GRIMOLDI is with

1686
01:23:12,867 --> 01:23:16,427
Speaker 3: us long jumper sprinter looking to go back to back

1687
01:23:16,507 --> 01:23:18,627
Speaker 3: to back in the T forty seven long jump at

1688
01:23:18,667 --> 01:23:23,467
Speaker 3: the Paris Paralympics. And a Grimaldi shortly Nicholas Lambern, tournament

1689
01:23:23,507 --> 01:23:27,507
Speaker 3: director of the ASP Classic. They've secured Lulu Sun for

1690
01:23:27,587 --> 01:23:30,907
Speaker 3: the upcoming ASB Classic. Who else is he chasing? How

1691
01:23:30,987 --> 01:23:34,147
Speaker 3: much money has he got? Who is he definitely not

1692
01:23:34,347 --> 01:23:36,507
Speaker 3: going to get? And who is he keen on getting?

1693
01:23:36,707 --> 01:23:39,067
Speaker 3: Nicholas Lamber and This Hour Darren basically as well coach

1694
01:23:39,067 --> 01:23:40,747
Speaker 3: of the All Whites. He named the squad yesterday four

1695
01:23:40,827 --> 01:23:45,107
Speaker 3: next month's internationals against Mexico and the United States, strong squad,

1696
01:23:45,307 --> 01:23:49,067
Speaker 3: really good roster, so he's with us this hour too.

1697
01:23:49,547 --> 01:23:52,187
Speaker 3: Your thoughts continue to be welcomed and encouraged on eight

1698
01:23:52,307 --> 01:23:54,267
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty or nine two, nine to

1699
01:23:54,267 --> 01:23:56,347
Speaker 3: two on text. We'll also keep an eye on live

1700
01:23:56,387 --> 01:23:59,147
Speaker 3: sport with Counties and Tasman having just kicked off in

1701
01:23:59,227 --> 01:24:03,027
Speaker 3: the Bunnings MPC. A couple of minutes gone, no score

1702
01:24:03,187 --> 01:24:06,107
Speaker 3: between those two in Pooka Koe eight past two, as

1703
01:24:06,107 --> 01:24:07,907
Speaker 3: we all always do, though it ran about this time

1704
01:24:08,067 --> 01:24:10,107
Speaker 3: on weekend sport, we like to make sure you're up

1705
01:24:10,107 --> 01:24:16,747
Speaker 3: to date. We like to bring you closer to omnipotence,

1706
01:24:17,187 --> 01:24:19,747
Speaker 3: complete knowledge of sport. We call it in case you

1707
01:24:19,827 --> 01:24:23,667
Speaker 3: missed it. Andy McDonald puts it together every Saturday and Sunday,

1708
01:24:23,707 --> 01:24:25,907
Speaker 3: and we start with the Phara Farmer Cup in action

1709
01:24:26,067 --> 01:24:28,347
Speaker 3: last night, A good resolve for Hawk's bathe they want to.

1710
01:24:28,387 --> 01:24:32,827
Speaker 27: Go quickly and they do and the replacement half that

1711
01:24:33,267 --> 01:24:40,107
Speaker 27: rating Blake. She puts the exclamation mark on the win

1712
01:24:40,267 --> 01:24:41,627
Speaker 27: here for the Hawks day.

1713
01:24:41,547 --> 01:24:44,667
Speaker 3: To it by forty three points to twenty that one,

1714
01:24:44,827 --> 01:24:47,627
Speaker 3: and that momentum continued for the Magpies in their ran

1715
01:24:47,747 --> 01:24:51,427
Speaker 3: fully shield defense against Northland kicks it into touch and

1716
01:24:51,627 --> 01:24:53,147
Speaker 3: let's see full time whistle.

1717
01:24:54,027 --> 01:24:56,547
Speaker 4: The ram Philly shield is safe.

1718
01:24:56,827 --> 01:24:58,187
Speaker 3: For another couple of weeks.

1719
01:24:59,067 --> 01:25:02,187
Speaker 4: In Magpie Territory fifty five thirty to.

1720
01:25:02,347 --> 01:25:05,147
Speaker 3: The NRL, the Broncos picked up a much needed win

1721
01:25:05,267 --> 01:25:08,467
Speaker 3: to keep their top eight hopes alive. Reynolds there we're

1722
01:25:08,507 --> 01:25:09,307
Speaker 3: can he get a double?

1723
01:25:09,547 --> 01:25:12,787
Speaker 4: No, he puts a kick in and Stags will store

1724
01:25:14,027 --> 01:25:15,027
Speaker 4: and Brisbane go.

1725
01:25:15,387 --> 01:25:19,547
Speaker 3: Bang bang, and there they can see victory.

1726
01:25:20,547 --> 01:25:23,627
Speaker 4: Victory is on the horizon for the desperate Boca.

1727
01:25:23,947 --> 01:25:27,027
Speaker 3: Here they won at thirty twenty four over the Paramedta

1728
01:25:27,107 --> 01:25:31,107
Speaker 3: Eels to Spain. A second stage win in Love Welter

1729
01:25:31,347 --> 01:25:33,267
Speaker 3: for Belgian Star without van Art.

1730
01:25:33,627 --> 01:25:36,787
Speaker 26: Now while Finance starts to go, the green jersey in

1731
01:25:36,907 --> 01:25:40,827
Speaker 26: pursuits of glory starts to make his move, Vacek challenging

1732
01:25:40,947 --> 01:25:43,627
Speaker 26: Pavicow right to the frame of things. But here comes

1733
01:25:43,667 --> 01:25:46,707
Speaker 26: the green jersey, thank you very much. As second stage

1734
01:25:46,747 --> 01:25:49,987
Speaker 26: victory in the Valsa Espana, the first on Spanish soil,

1735
01:25:50,307 --> 01:25:51,707
Speaker 26: and it's one fernand who's.

1736
01:25:51,547 --> 01:25:55,307
Speaker 3: Victorious and staying in Spain. A perfect start for Emirates

1737
01:25:55,387 --> 01:25:57,867
Speaker 3: Team New Zealand off the coast of Barcelona in the

1738
01:25:58,027 --> 01:26:02,227
Speaker 3: America's Cup or Louis Vaton Preliminary Regetta.

1739
01:26:02,067 --> 01:26:06,147
Speaker 18: Edward's Tea Musua will go to and like American magic,

1740
01:26:06,427 --> 01:26:11,627
Speaker 18: the perfect record to this point of the town. Louisviton

1741
01:26:11,787 --> 01:26:15,067
Speaker 18: Preliminary Regatta and they complete race six and they do

1742
01:26:15,227 --> 01:26:20,867
Speaker 18: it comfortably. Being play at the start is stuff. Daniosprtannia

1743
01:26:21,547 --> 01:26:24,027
Speaker 18: and they'd taken the word two and oh. Perfect record

1744
01:26:24,107 --> 01:26:24,707
Speaker 18: for the defender.

1745
01:26:24,827 --> 01:26:28,867
Speaker 1: Parent analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting

1746
01:26:28,947 --> 01:26:31,747
Speaker 1: world Weekends for it with Jason Vye.

1747
01:26:33,947 --> 01:26:37,587
Speaker 3: Talk ZB eleven minutes past two. The Paralympic Games in

1748
01:26:37,707 --> 01:26:41,547
Speaker 3: Paris are underway in a week's time. Next weekend is

1749
01:26:41,667 --> 01:26:45,187
Speaker 3: the start of competition, the opening ceremony and then competition

1750
01:26:45,347 --> 01:26:49,987
Speaker 3: proper gets underway. Long jumper and sprinter Anna Grimaldi is

1751
01:26:50,067 --> 01:26:53,227
Speaker 3: looking to become just the third New Zealander ever to

1752
01:26:53,387 --> 01:26:57,987
Speaker 3: win three consecutive Paralympic gold medals in track and field.

1753
01:26:58,267 --> 01:27:01,707
Speaker 31: Now Anna Grimaldi of New Zealand, who's sitting in bronze

1754
01:27:01,787 --> 01:27:03,867
Speaker 31: medal position, guaranteed a medal.

1755
01:27:04,427 --> 01:27:05,667
Speaker 3: Can she improve from third?

1756
01:27:07,347 --> 01:27:07,507
Speaker 9: Well?

1757
01:27:07,587 --> 01:27:13,507
Speaker 31: Maybe she has? Comes up smiling. This is a new

1758
01:27:13,667 --> 01:27:18,307
Speaker 31: PB for Grimaldi. This could be really something special for

1759
01:27:18,387 --> 01:27:20,987
Speaker 31: the Kiwi. We'll wait for this with some excitement for

1760
01:27:21,747 --> 01:27:26,027
Speaker 31: young Anna Grimaldi five sixty two in season gold medal physician.

1761
01:27:26,187 --> 01:27:30,347
Speaker 31: Can you believe it? She can't, and Grimaldi has won

1762
01:27:30,427 --> 01:27:31,307
Speaker 31: it for New.

1763
01:27:31,267 --> 01:27:34,147
Speaker 3: Zealand here that was Rio twenty sixteen and a Grimoldy

1764
01:27:34,187 --> 01:27:37,187
Speaker 3: also won gold in the T forty seven long jump

1765
01:27:37,627 --> 01:27:40,227
Speaker 3: in It's rather in Tokyo, looking to make it three

1766
01:27:40,267 --> 01:27:43,107
Speaker 3: in a line in Paris. Before any of that, though,

1767
01:27:43,147 --> 01:27:46,507
Speaker 3: she's also a flag bearer for the opening ceremony alongside

1768
01:27:46,627 --> 01:27:49,027
Speaker 3: Cameron Leslie and a Grimoldi as well this and maybe

1769
01:27:49,067 --> 01:27:50,787
Speaker 3: let's start there. How did they let you know you'd

1770
01:27:50,787 --> 01:27:53,707
Speaker 3: be a flag bearer? And how special a moment will

1771
01:27:53,787 --> 01:27:54,307
Speaker 3: that be for you?

1772
01:27:55,467 --> 01:27:55,667
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1773
01:27:55,787 --> 01:27:58,867
Speaker 32: It was real, it was really special. She really emotional

1774
01:27:58,907 --> 01:28:03,627
Speaker 32: when they asked me. Raylelane Bates is usually our team manager,

1775
01:28:03,707 --> 01:28:05,827
Speaker 32: but she's taken up the role of Sifton Mission for

1776
01:28:07,107 --> 01:28:13,067
Speaker 32: these games and her and another pens Is Stuff member, Gracie,

1777
01:28:13,107 --> 01:28:15,347
Speaker 32: they rang me and asked if it was something that

1778
01:28:15,387 --> 01:28:18,787
Speaker 32: I'd be interested in, and of course it definitely was.

1779
01:28:18,867 --> 01:28:21,587
Speaker 32: It wasn't our plan to go into the village that early,

1780
01:28:21,747 --> 01:28:25,787
Speaker 32: but it's just one of those opportunities. That's like kind

1781
01:28:25,827 --> 01:28:29,387
Speaker 32: of a you know, a personal achievement on something that

1782
01:28:29,507 --> 01:28:32,667
Speaker 32: i'll you know, will make this games, you know, really

1783
01:28:32,707 --> 01:28:33,267
Speaker 32: special for me.

1784
01:28:33,347 --> 01:28:35,427
Speaker 28: So it was a no brainer to say yes and

1785
01:28:35,507 --> 01:28:36,787
Speaker 28: to accept it, and to do with Cam.

1786
01:28:36,747 --> 01:28:40,507
Speaker 32: As well, who's such a legend. It was really exciting. Yeah,

1787
01:28:40,507 --> 01:28:41,547
Speaker 32: it made me really emotional.

1788
01:28:41,667 --> 01:28:44,267
Speaker 28: And yeah, I can't lie, I can't why.

1789
01:28:44,307 --> 01:28:48,907
Speaker 32: I can't believe it's my third games and and yeah

1790
01:28:48,907 --> 01:28:50,067
Speaker 32: I'm playing there. It's crazy.

1791
01:28:50,267 --> 01:28:53,907
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing. It's terrific recognition for you. Not only

1792
01:28:53,987 --> 01:28:56,707
Speaker 3: your third games, you're double defending champion in the T

1793
01:28:56,827 --> 01:28:59,707
Speaker 3: forty seven long job. How motivated a you to make

1794
01:28:59,747 --> 01:29:00,467
Speaker 3: that three in a row?

1795
01:29:01,867 --> 01:29:04,707
Speaker 28: Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy to me to even think that.

1796
01:29:04,867 --> 01:29:06,947
Speaker 32: I think back to my you know, when I first

1797
01:29:06,987 --> 01:29:09,987
Speaker 32: started athletics in twenty thirteen. I was sixteen, and I

1798
01:29:10,027 --> 01:29:13,387
Speaker 32: had a conversation with someone who was like talking about Rio,

1799
01:29:13,507 --> 01:29:15,427
Speaker 32: which was at that point sort of three years away

1800
01:29:15,507 --> 01:29:18,947
Speaker 32: twenty sixteen, and and they were sort of like, oh,

1801
01:29:19,027 --> 01:29:20,667
Speaker 32: you know, that'll be the goal and I sort of

1802
01:29:20,707 --> 01:29:22,987
Speaker 32: said to them, oh, nah, no, like that's too soon,

1803
01:29:23,067 --> 01:29:24,227
Speaker 32: Like I don't think I'll make that team.

1804
01:29:24,227 --> 01:29:26,627
Speaker 28: I'll be aiming for Tokyo on twenty twenty and.

1805
01:29:27,267 --> 01:29:30,427
Speaker 32: Just to have you know, been in Rio let alone

1806
01:29:30,467 --> 01:29:32,947
Speaker 32: win and then to have been in Tokyo and then

1807
01:29:33,027 --> 01:29:38,107
Speaker 32: one again, Like it's yeah, it's such a Yeah, it's

1808
01:29:38,187 --> 01:29:40,707
Speaker 32: such a I can't I can't even put words for it.

1809
01:29:40,787 --> 01:29:44,387
Speaker 32: Like it's it's taken like a long time to settle in.

1810
01:29:44,507 --> 01:29:47,787
Speaker 32: And I think like this year, this past year, it's

1811
01:29:47,867 --> 01:29:50,947
Speaker 32: really hit home, like what big achievements those are and

1812
01:29:52,027 --> 01:29:56,667
Speaker 32: how special they are and how different of like athletes.

1813
01:29:56,707 --> 01:29:59,787
Speaker 32: I will have been at all three games, and yeah,

1814
01:29:59,787 --> 01:30:01,867
Speaker 32: I'm super excited to get out there. There's been so

1815
01:30:02,187 --> 01:30:05,707
Speaker 32: much work gone into this and lots of risks, especially

1816
01:30:05,787 --> 01:30:09,987
Speaker 32: over the last three years to get here, and I'm

1817
01:30:10,067 --> 01:30:11,107
Speaker 32: enjoying it more than I ever have.

1818
01:30:11,307 --> 01:30:13,267
Speaker 28: And I think that's kind of been.

1819
01:30:15,027 --> 01:30:17,387
Speaker 32: The you know, the thing underpinning at all of the

1820
01:30:17,827 --> 01:30:23,227
Speaker 32: great performance office I've had in the last year. And yeah,

1821
01:30:23,707 --> 01:30:25,387
Speaker 32: just the journey, I don't know, it's just made me

1822
01:30:25,467 --> 01:30:29,627
Speaker 32: appreciate it a whole lot more. And yeah, I'm really

1823
01:30:29,667 --> 01:30:30,587
Speaker 32: excited to get there.

1824
01:30:31,547 --> 01:30:34,027
Speaker 3: What are the risks that you've taken over the past year.

1825
01:30:35,707 --> 01:30:38,507
Speaker 32: Yeah, over the well, I mean over the last three years.

1826
01:30:38,507 --> 01:30:42,107
Speaker 32: It was such a Tokyo was such an interesting games

1827
01:30:43,187 --> 01:30:48,747
Speaker 32: and I think like it for the reasons I love

1828
01:30:49,467 --> 01:30:52,467
Speaker 32: this being my career. You know, the people I get

1829
01:30:52,547 --> 01:30:55,827
Speaker 32: to meet, the places I get to go, the experiences

1830
01:30:55,867 --> 01:30:56,307
Speaker 32: I get to have.

1831
01:30:56,467 --> 01:30:56,987
Speaker 8: That was not.

1832
01:30:58,467 --> 01:31:01,667
Speaker 28: In essence any of what our Tokyo experience was. It

1833
01:31:01,787 --> 01:31:03,627
Speaker 28: was really closed off.

1834
01:31:03,667 --> 01:31:06,867
Speaker 32: I was getting up super early, and maybe I was

1835
01:31:06,907 --> 01:31:08,787
Speaker 32: getting up at four am, and I maybe didn't speak

1836
01:31:08,827 --> 01:31:10,547
Speaker 32: in a single word to anyone.

1837
01:31:10,347 --> 01:31:12,787
Speaker 28: Until eleven am. And that's just anyone that knows me.

1838
01:31:13,107 --> 01:31:16,347
Speaker 32: That's no normal and I think I really struggled with that,

1839
01:31:17,467 --> 01:31:21,427
Speaker 32: and just my enjoyment for the sport really really waned

1840
01:31:21,467 --> 01:31:21,947
Speaker 32: in that time.

1841
01:31:22,027 --> 01:31:26,307
Speaker 28: I think a bit of self identity stuff went on.

1842
01:31:26,547 --> 01:31:28,867
Speaker 32: You know, who was I outside of those two Paralympic

1843
01:31:28,947 --> 01:31:31,427
Speaker 32: gold medals. That wasn't really something that I'd put a

1844
01:31:31,467 --> 01:31:33,227
Speaker 32: lot of effort into. And I think over the last

1845
01:31:33,267 --> 01:31:37,347
Speaker 32: couple of years really putting in the effort to find

1846
01:31:37,387 --> 01:31:39,027
Speaker 32: out who Anna is outside of sport.

1847
01:31:39,107 --> 01:31:42,027
Speaker 28: And I was working part time.

1848
01:31:42,307 --> 01:31:47,027
Speaker 32: I decided to finish that off last year before heading

1849
01:31:47,027 --> 01:31:49,827
Speaker 32: away to World Champs. I went to Europe and did

1850
01:31:49,867 --> 01:31:53,747
Speaker 32: a big European season before World Champs last year, and

1851
01:31:53,827 --> 01:31:56,267
Speaker 32: I also changed coaches at the end of twenty twenty two,

1852
01:31:57,507 --> 01:32:00,147
Speaker 32: sort of six months before last year's World Champs, which

1853
01:32:00,227 --> 01:32:03,347
Speaker 32: was a really big decision because Brent, my old coach,

1854
01:32:03,427 --> 01:32:06,107
Speaker 32: was a huge part of my life and a huge,

1855
01:32:06,787 --> 01:32:09,867
Speaker 32: huge reason why I'd won those two Paralympic golds, and

1856
01:32:10,427 --> 01:32:14,547
Speaker 32: quite a scary decision to, you know, face your you're

1857
01:32:14,547 --> 01:32:16,987
Speaker 32: going for your third Paralympic title and you're not doing

1858
01:32:17,067 --> 01:32:19,867
Speaker 32: it with one of the main pillars of the other

1859
01:32:19,947 --> 01:32:22,547
Speaker 32: two teams. But it just felt like the right time

1860
01:32:22,587 --> 01:32:25,507
Speaker 32: for both of us, and I think it has been

1861
01:32:26,267 --> 01:32:28,387
Speaker 32: has been really really positive for me. It's pushed me

1862
01:32:28,467 --> 01:32:30,627
Speaker 32: a lot, and I think that's kind of what I

1863
01:32:30,787 --> 01:32:34,987
Speaker 32: needed to get to where I am now. And there's

1864
01:32:35,027 --> 01:32:38,027
Speaker 32: some really special things, Brewer, I can feel them. That

1865
01:32:38,507 --> 01:32:41,707
Speaker 32: training is hard, and technically it's really hard at the moment,

1866
01:32:41,787 --> 01:32:46,387
Speaker 32: but it's feeling like hopeful that there is there's more,

1867
01:32:46,827 --> 01:32:49,907
Speaker 32: there's still more distance in me yet, which is really exciting.

1868
01:32:50,347 --> 01:32:53,507
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I've heard you talk about the pressure and a

1869
01:32:53,547 --> 01:32:55,907
Speaker 3: little bit of anxiety you felt going into Tokyo as

1870
01:32:55,947 --> 01:32:58,507
Speaker 3: you looked to defend the goal that you won in Rio,

1871
01:32:58,627 --> 01:33:00,547
Speaker 3: and just hearing you talk then about being you know,

1872
01:33:00,707 --> 01:33:04,027
Speaker 3: defined only by your by your Paralympic feats. Has that

1873
01:33:04,507 --> 01:33:08,147
Speaker 3: anxiety now disappeared? Are you now just comfortable that you

1874
01:33:08,227 --> 01:33:10,107
Speaker 3: know no one can take Rio away from you, no

1875
01:33:10,187 --> 01:33:12,507
Speaker 3: one can take Tokyo away from you. Has that anxiety

1876
01:33:12,587 --> 01:33:13,427
Speaker 3: kind of disappeared now?

1877
01:33:14,627 --> 01:33:14,827
Speaker 22: Yeah?

1878
01:33:14,867 --> 01:33:19,027
Speaker 28: I think that I had so much a petriment to.

1879
01:33:21,067 --> 01:33:24,947
Speaker 32: Those medals, but that they were sort of like only

1880
01:33:25,067 --> 01:33:27,507
Speaker 32: relevant if I keep winning them, you know, like they

1881
01:33:27,587 --> 01:33:31,307
Speaker 32: weren't they weren't these like great standalone achievements. In my mind,

1882
01:33:31,347 --> 01:33:34,387
Speaker 32: it was like the first one felt quite fluky, and

1883
01:33:34,467 --> 01:33:37,747
Speaker 32: I felt really, you know, not not like I wasn't

1884
01:33:37,747 --> 01:33:39,947
Speaker 32: the best on paper at all in that field. I

1885
01:33:40,027 --> 01:33:42,467
Speaker 32: just had the best day and I felt like, you know,

1886
01:33:42,587 --> 01:33:45,107
Speaker 32: maybe I didn't deserve to win. I wasn't what a

1887
01:33:45,947 --> 01:33:48,347
Speaker 32: what I thought a Paralympic champion you know, looked like,

1888
01:33:48,667 --> 01:33:51,667
Speaker 32: or what it would feel like. And so I think

1889
01:33:51,747 --> 01:33:53,707
Speaker 32: I thought, you know, like, oh need to do this

1890
01:33:53,787 --> 01:33:56,027
Speaker 32: again to prove to myself, you know, that I that

1891
01:33:56,147 --> 01:33:59,067
Speaker 32: I'm worthy of being in this you know, high performance

1892
01:33:59,187 --> 01:34:02,267
Speaker 32: sport world. And so when I won in Tokyo, I

1893
01:34:02,307 --> 01:34:03,827
Speaker 32: think when I went into Tokyo, I just had this

1894
01:34:04,347 --> 01:34:08,907
Speaker 32: huge overwhelming feeling that it was like maybe not going

1895
01:34:08,987 --> 01:34:11,627
Speaker 32: to happen, and what would that mean for me? But

1896
01:34:11,787 --> 01:34:15,307
Speaker 32: also being I had the best season of my life

1897
01:34:15,427 --> 01:34:18,347
Speaker 32: nearly that year of Tokyo, and knowing that I was

1898
01:34:18,427 --> 01:34:20,667
Speaker 32: the best on paper that time going into it, and

1899
01:34:20,867 --> 01:34:23,067
Speaker 32: that I'd been on the other side of that coin

1900
01:34:23,267 --> 01:34:25,947
Speaker 32: and lost being I mean and one not being the

1901
01:34:25,987 --> 01:34:29,067
Speaker 32: best on paper, So I think it just felt really scary,

1902
01:34:29,107 --> 01:34:31,947
Speaker 32: and I think when I won, it was just an

1903
01:34:32,027 --> 01:34:35,107
Speaker 32: overwhelming sense of relief. There was, of course happiness and

1904
01:34:35,227 --> 01:34:38,027
Speaker 32: joy and and everything else, but it was it was

1905
01:34:38,347 --> 01:34:41,787
Speaker 32: just like I'd taken a huge, deep breath out for

1906
01:34:41,867 --> 01:34:43,947
Speaker 32: the first time in five years at that point. And

1907
01:34:45,787 --> 01:34:48,267
Speaker 32: but that feeling kind of didn't stick around for very long,

1908
01:34:48,347 --> 01:34:50,867
Speaker 32: Like the gold medal was kind of like a shiny

1909
01:34:50,907 --> 01:34:54,667
Speaker 32: gold plaster and it didn't fell off eventually, And I

1910
01:34:54,707 --> 01:34:57,067
Speaker 32: think I really struggled to pack myself back up and

1911
01:34:57,107 --> 01:35:02,627
Speaker 32: get back into it and find motivation beyond beyond just

1912
01:35:02,707 --> 01:35:06,347
Speaker 32: the medals and the and the and the achievements, because

1913
01:35:06,347 --> 01:35:09,027
Speaker 32: because there are so many other aspects of sport other

1914
01:35:09,147 --> 01:35:12,667
Speaker 32: than just performing at the Paralympic Games or the Olympic

1915
01:35:12,747 --> 01:35:16,187
Speaker 32: Games or World Champs or whatever it is. And I

1916
01:35:16,267 --> 01:35:20,507
Speaker 32: think really leaning into those other things has made, you know,

1917
01:35:20,707 --> 01:35:26,027
Speaker 32: me a lot happier person. And you know, if I'm happier,

1918
01:35:26,067 --> 01:35:28,547
Speaker 32: I'm able to perform better and and you know that's

1919
01:35:28,547 --> 01:35:32,307
Speaker 32: always the saying, and I think I didn't really I

1920
01:35:32,387 --> 01:35:35,707
Speaker 32: didn't really buy into that until last year, because I

1921
01:35:35,787 --> 01:35:37,907
Speaker 32: mean I was the happiest I've been in my sport

1922
01:35:37,947 --> 01:35:42,307
Speaker 32: and I produced you know, some really well two personal

1923
01:35:42,387 --> 01:35:45,107
Speaker 32: bests at a major champ. So it was it was

1924
01:35:45,187 --> 01:35:46,947
Speaker 32: kind of like a light bulb moment for me, like,

1925
01:35:47,027 --> 01:35:50,027
Speaker 32: if we don't look after Anna and a sporting Anna

1926
01:35:50,147 --> 01:35:50,787
Speaker 32: is going to struggle.

1927
01:35:51,507 --> 01:35:54,027
Speaker 3: There's such good self awareness amazing where you talk about

1928
01:35:54,107 --> 01:35:59,707
Speaker 3: last year Paris bronze and the meters, Yeah, it wasn't

1929
01:35:59,707 --> 01:36:01,627
Speaker 3: a fluke because you repeated the feat that this year's

1930
01:36:01,627 --> 01:36:04,507
Speaker 3: World Champs. I remember chatting to you after the bronze

1931
01:36:04,547 --> 01:36:07,107
Speaker 3: in Paris. Yeah, and you said I remember you said

1932
01:36:07,187 --> 01:36:10,427
Speaker 3: you said you had a real deep calm about your sprinting.

1933
01:36:10,507 --> 01:36:12,307
Speaker 3: It wasn't something you felt anxious about at all.

1934
01:36:12,507 --> 01:36:12,707
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1935
01:36:12,907 --> 01:36:15,227
Speaker 3: Have you been able to continue that feeling when you sprint?

1936
01:36:16,867 --> 01:36:16,907
Speaker 5: No?

1937
01:36:21,667 --> 01:36:25,747
Speaker 32: So I did actually feel very nervous at World Champs

1938
01:36:26,347 --> 01:36:31,107
Speaker 32: and in Kobe earlier this year, I just felt I

1939
01:36:31,267 --> 01:36:34,547
Speaker 32: didn't quite feel myself. I'd been battling a little a

1940
01:36:34,587 --> 01:36:38,627
Speaker 32: few injuries actually over the last year. That sort of

1941
01:36:38,627 --> 01:36:40,707
Speaker 32: took me out from running for quite a week while,

1942
01:36:40,787 --> 01:36:45,387
Speaker 32: and I knew that we were still in the building phase,

1943
01:36:45,427 --> 01:36:46,827
Speaker 32: but it was kind of it's kind of hard when

1944
01:36:46,867 --> 01:36:49,507
Speaker 32: you know you're not quite at your best, but you're

1945
01:36:49,507 --> 01:36:51,307
Speaker 32: at one of the best acomplisheds of the year and

1946
01:36:51,587 --> 01:36:53,147
Speaker 32: you want to put your best foot forward, and you

1947
01:36:53,227 --> 01:36:54,867
Speaker 32: are putting your best foot forward, but it's not the

1948
01:36:54,907 --> 01:36:57,387
Speaker 32: best foot you've ever had, And I think that was

1949
01:36:57,507 --> 01:37:01,147
Speaker 32: quite It was quite hard. But in saying that, like,

1950
01:37:01,227 --> 01:37:03,267
Speaker 32: I'm really proud of the performance I was able to

1951
01:37:03,307 --> 01:37:06,227
Speaker 32: put out there, and it is a nice confidence builder

1952
01:37:06,987 --> 01:37:09,027
Speaker 32: going into this year, and I've ran, you know, a

1953
01:37:09,107 --> 01:37:11,867
Speaker 32: lot quicker since then, which is not I think I

1954
01:37:12,067 --> 01:37:14,907
Speaker 32: was super happy with the Obviously with the bronze medal,

1955
01:37:14,987 --> 01:37:18,747
Speaker 32: that's awesome, But I think the time I struggled seeing

1956
01:37:18,827 --> 01:37:21,867
Speaker 32: that time and going like, right, are we on track?

1957
01:37:22,067 --> 01:37:22,867
Speaker 28: Like for Paris?

1958
01:37:23,027 --> 01:37:23,227
Speaker 23: Is this?

1959
01:37:23,907 --> 01:37:25,467
Speaker 32: Are we going to be able to put it together

1960
01:37:25,507 --> 01:37:28,507
Speaker 32: in Paris? But I think since then we've been able to.

1961
01:37:30,907 --> 01:37:31,267
Speaker 28: Sort of.

1962
01:37:32,867 --> 01:37:36,227
Speaker 32: Not sit back, but like let the training take its course,

1963
01:37:36,307 --> 01:37:39,467
Speaker 32: you know, go through the full cycle, run the full

1964
01:37:39,547 --> 01:37:43,347
Speaker 32: training program, and now we are seeing we're.

1965
01:37:43,147 --> 01:37:45,587
Speaker 28: Seeing positive science. So that is like calming.

1966
01:37:45,987 --> 01:37:46,187
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1967
01:37:46,747 --> 01:37:48,947
Speaker 3: Cool. And you've added the two hundred backend, But you've

1968
01:37:49,027 --> 01:37:52,227
Speaker 3: run that event quite regularly during your career, haven't you.

1969
01:37:52,787 --> 01:37:55,387
Speaker 3: This isn't absolutely new to you, is it the two hundred?

1970
01:37:56,587 --> 01:38:00,227
Speaker 32: No, but it feels new again because I have ran

1971
01:38:00,827 --> 01:38:05,067
Speaker 32: I think three two hundred meters in the last sort

1972
01:38:05,107 --> 01:38:08,827
Speaker 32: of six star year, we'll say, and before that, my

1973
01:38:08,987 --> 01:38:11,467
Speaker 32: last one was in twenty seventeen, so.

1974
01:38:12,947 --> 01:38:15,067
Speaker 28: Sort of near on seven years ago.

1975
01:38:15,747 --> 01:38:18,787
Speaker 32: And my last race was the two hundred meters heats

1976
01:38:18,907 --> 01:38:23,227
Speaker 32: at World Champs in twenty seventeen and I broke my foot.

1977
01:38:23,307 --> 01:38:24,947
Speaker 32: My foot had been giving me grief all that year,

1978
01:38:24,987 --> 01:38:27,627
Speaker 32: but it really gave up in that race. And then

1979
01:38:27,747 --> 01:38:31,827
Speaker 32: my last international race before that was in Rio and

1980
01:38:32,027 --> 01:38:34,707
Speaker 32: I was in the heats, qualified for the final lift

1981
01:38:34,827 --> 01:38:37,787
Speaker 32: the stadium, and then got a call from our manager

1982
01:38:37,827 --> 01:38:39,027
Speaker 32: saying you've been disqualified.

1983
01:38:39,027 --> 01:38:41,747
Speaker 28: You're still on the line, And so I feel like

1984
01:38:41,867 --> 01:38:47,027
Speaker 28: there's this real like like I've got some beef with

1985
01:38:47,067 --> 01:38:49,547
Speaker 28: the two hundred that we need to sort out, you know,

1986
01:38:49,827 --> 01:38:51,067
Speaker 28: like who I had two?

1987
01:38:51,227 --> 01:38:51,547
Speaker 11: I had.

1988
01:38:51,627 --> 01:38:54,587
Speaker 32: My last two opportunities have been you know, a qualification

1989
01:38:54,707 --> 01:38:56,387
Speaker 32: and a foot break. And the foot break, you know,

1990
01:38:56,667 --> 01:38:58,347
Speaker 32: we decided that we were never going to run the

1991
01:38:58,347 --> 01:39:01,067
Speaker 32: two again, Like that was a big factor and why

1992
01:39:01,267 --> 01:39:04,027
Speaker 32: my foot broken. We decided it was too risky and

1993
01:39:04,107 --> 01:39:05,627
Speaker 32: I was never going to run it again. And then

1994
01:39:05,907 --> 01:39:10,667
Speaker 32: it's been really nice this last year having open discussions about, well,

1995
01:39:10,747 --> 01:39:13,027
Speaker 32: you know what, my body isn't fragile anymore. It can

1996
01:39:13,147 --> 01:39:15,947
Speaker 32: handle the two hundred. We are going to get out

1997
01:39:15,987 --> 01:39:18,187
Speaker 32: there and give it a go. And it's really just

1998
01:39:18,267 --> 01:39:21,747
Speaker 32: for me this event. It's like a nice kind of

1999
01:39:22,027 --> 01:39:26,107
Speaker 32: like a bit of a like, yep, my body, my

2000
01:39:26,187 --> 01:39:28,667
Speaker 32: body struggled for a while, but we're not struggling anymore.

2001
01:39:28,667 --> 01:39:31,387
Speaker 32: We're really thriving and my body can handle this type

2002
01:39:31,427 --> 01:39:34,827
Speaker 32: of thing. And so I'm really excited for that. It's

2003
01:39:34,827 --> 01:39:37,307
Speaker 32: the last event on the program and I'll give it

2004
01:39:37,427 --> 01:39:40,467
Speaker 32: my best may be shot, but yeah, that one's just

2005
01:39:40,547 --> 01:39:41,347
Speaker 32: sort of for me.

2006
01:39:41,827 --> 01:39:45,867
Speaker 3: Cool long jump pbe five ninety six. You reckon, you've

2007
01:39:45,867 --> 01:39:48,467
Speaker 3: got that, You've got you got you reckon, got that

2008
01:39:48,587 --> 01:39:50,347
Speaker 3: six meters in you next couple of weeks.

2009
01:39:51,507 --> 01:39:55,227
Speaker 32: Yeah, yeah, I think we're like, we're close there. There,

2010
01:39:55,467 --> 01:39:57,547
Speaker 32: We've got the elements all there. It's just getting them,

2011
01:39:58,067 --> 01:39:59,747
Speaker 32: getting them to all be friends with one.

2012
01:39:59,667 --> 01:40:02,147
Speaker 28: Another is what we were on right now.

2013
01:40:02,267 --> 01:40:02,947
Speaker 25: And I think.

2014
01:40:04,267 --> 01:40:08,827
Speaker 32: We yeah, and I think it is there. I would

2015
01:40:08,947 --> 01:40:10,587
Speaker 32: love it to be there, you know, in a couple

2016
01:40:10,587 --> 01:40:14,827
Speaker 32: of weeks time. Sick not fine. Only six is painfully

2017
01:40:14,947 --> 01:40:17,827
Speaker 32: close to six meters and I would just I would.

2018
01:40:18,307 --> 01:40:21,307
Speaker 32: It's just like, yeah, it's been a goal since I

2019
01:40:21,387 --> 01:40:23,747
Speaker 32: started to jump six meters, so it'd be really lovely

2020
01:40:23,827 --> 01:40:24,627
Speaker 32: to be able to deal.

2021
01:40:24,507 --> 01:40:26,747
Speaker 28: With, you know, on the biggest competition of my life.

2022
01:40:26,827 --> 01:40:28,907
Speaker 3: Really well, we can't wait to see how you go.

2023
01:40:29,027 --> 01:40:31,667
Speaker 3: So one hundred meters long jump, two hundred meters before

2024
01:40:31,707 --> 01:40:33,827
Speaker 3: all that, you carry the flag. So cool for you, Anna,

2025
01:40:34,067 --> 01:40:35,947
Speaker 3: Thanks thanks for taking the time for a chat. I

2026
01:40:35,987 --> 01:40:38,107
Speaker 3: hope the rest of your build up towards the start

2027
01:40:38,147 --> 01:40:40,587
Speaker 3: of the Games goes brilliantly and we just can't wait

2028
01:40:40,627 --> 01:40:42,547
Speaker 3: to see how you go. Thanks for having me, no,

2029
01:40:42,667 --> 01:40:45,587
Speaker 3: thanks for joining us Anam and Grimaldi there long jumper

2030
01:40:46,587 --> 01:40:49,107
Speaker 3: flag bearer. What a delight to chat to her again.

2031
01:40:49,387 --> 01:40:51,867
Speaker 3: So the Paralympics start on Thursday morning, actually, the opening

2032
01:40:51,907 --> 01:40:54,747
Speaker 3: ceremony is Thursday morning, New Zealand time around six and

2033
01:40:54,827 --> 01:40:58,467
Speaker 3: then competition starts the following day goes right through until Sunday,

2034
01:40:58,907 --> 01:41:01,707
Speaker 3: the eighth of September. We'll keep you right across the

2035
01:41:01,787 --> 01:41:04,347
Speaker 3: Paralympics here on News Talk SEDB is our key. We

2036
01:41:04,867 --> 01:41:08,587
Speaker 3: look to bring home some more precious metal from Paris

2037
01:41:08,667 --> 01:41:11,867
Speaker 3: to twenty five tasmin Leed Counties seven nil in the

2038
01:41:11,907 --> 01:41:15,627
Speaker 3: Bunnings NPC after eighteen minutes at poker cohe When we

2039
01:41:15,747 --> 01:41:19,987
Speaker 3: come back to the ASB Tennis Classic, the tournament director

2040
01:41:20,067 --> 01:41:23,707
Speaker 3: Nicholas Lampern has secured Lulu Sun as his first major

2041
01:41:23,867 --> 01:41:26,827
Speaker 3: signing for this summer's event. We'll find out who else

2042
01:41:26,867 --> 01:41:28,667
Speaker 3: he is chasing when he joins us After this.

2043
01:41:30,187 --> 01:41:30,387
Speaker 8: One.

2044
01:41:30,587 --> 01:41:35,787
Speaker 1: Crunch hold Engage Weekend Sports with Jason Fame and GJ.

2045
01:41:35,987 --> 01:41:40,267
Speaker 1: Gunnerhomes New Zealand's ice Trusted home Builder, News Talks Abby.

2046
01:41:40,467 --> 01:41:43,027
Speaker 3: News Talks ab it Is two twenty eight coming up

2047
01:41:43,027 --> 01:41:44,867
Speaker 3: to twenty nine. Should have mentioned the Fire Department Cup

2048
01:41:44,907 --> 01:41:47,187
Speaker 3: game as well between Canterbury and Auckland. This has been

2049
01:41:47,187 --> 01:41:50,947
Speaker 3: played at at christ Church's Rugby Park. How long have

2050
01:41:51,027 --> 01:41:53,347
Speaker 3: we had? Twenty two minutes penalty try has just been

2051
01:41:53,507 --> 01:41:59,587
Speaker 3: awarded to who Auckland. They're fourteen to ten ahead fourteen

2052
01:41:59,587 --> 01:42:02,467
Speaker 3: to ten Auckland ahead of Canterbury and the Fire Apartment Cup.

2053
01:42:02,947 --> 01:42:05,747
Speaker 3: Bunnings MP says to say Tasman seven Counties nil, twenty

2054
01:42:05,787 --> 01:42:09,187
Speaker 3: two minutes gone. There and Heartland Championship rugby is underway

2055
01:42:09,987 --> 01:42:13,707
Speaker 3: in Ashburton at the Showgrounds there at Canterbury off to

2056
01:42:13,787 --> 01:42:15,827
Speaker 3: a good start midway through the first half there thirteen

2057
01:42:15,867 --> 01:42:17,547
Speaker 3: the lead of the West Coast. The other games in

2058
01:42:17,587 --> 01:42:21,987
Speaker 3: the Heartland Championship are underway at two thirty five. Wimbledon

2059
01:42:22,107 --> 01:42:25,067
Speaker 3: quarter finalist Lulu Son will play under the New Zealand

2060
01:42:25,147 --> 01:42:27,627
Speaker 3: flag at the ASB Tennis Classic for the first time

2061
01:42:27,707 --> 01:42:30,787
Speaker 3: this summer. LULUs On the first announcement for the Auckland

2062
01:42:30,787 --> 01:42:33,627
Speaker 3: tournament starts on December the thirtieth with the women's tournament,

2063
01:42:33,667 --> 01:42:36,547
Speaker 3: then rolls into the men's. Lu Lusn has twice played

2064
01:42:36,547 --> 01:42:39,547
Speaker 3: in Auckland before, but under the Swiss flag. This is

2065
01:42:39,587 --> 01:42:42,467
Speaker 3: the first time you'll play under the Kiwi frag flag.

2066
01:42:42,547 --> 01:42:46,747
Speaker 3: Let's bring in tournament director Nicholas lambrin He Nicholas, how

2067
01:42:46,867 --> 01:42:49,307
Speaker 3: keen were you to get lu LUs On back after

2068
01:42:49,387 --> 01:42:50,187
Speaker 3: the year that she's had.

2069
01:42:51,147 --> 01:42:55,867
Speaker 33: Hi, Lulu was clearly one of our priorities. You know,

2070
01:42:56,147 --> 01:42:59,147
Speaker 33: this is the first time a newzment player which is

2071
01:42:59,587 --> 01:43:03,387
Speaker 33: the quarterfinal Wimbledon, especially coming from Quali, So it was

2072
01:43:03,467 --> 01:43:07,587
Speaker 33: really an achievement that we wanted to reward, and I

2073
01:43:07,707 --> 01:43:10,387
Speaker 33: do believe this is just the beginning for her. I

2074
01:43:10,547 --> 01:43:14,027
Speaker 33: was in Cincinnati last week, I saw going through qualities again,

2075
01:43:14,067 --> 01:43:16,907
Speaker 33: winning a match in a mendraw, and as we speak,

2076
01:43:16,947 --> 01:43:19,907
Speaker 33: you know, she's just won a quarterfinals in Monterey and

2077
01:43:19,947 --> 01:43:21,347
Speaker 33: will be in the Semis tomorrow.

2078
01:43:22,787 --> 01:43:26,347
Speaker 3: The WTA role state you can only have two players

2079
01:43:26,547 --> 01:43:29,707
Speaker 3: ranked between eleven and thirty. Are you hoping that Lulu

2080
01:43:29,787 --> 01:43:31,907
Speaker 3: soon stays out of the world's top thirty so that

2081
01:43:31,987 --> 01:43:33,907
Speaker 3: she doesn't take up one of those spots and you

2082
01:43:34,027 --> 01:43:34,987
Speaker 3: still have two available.

2083
01:43:36,587 --> 01:43:39,867
Speaker 33: We've got some flexibility, I think, you know, if Lulu

2084
01:43:40,147 --> 01:43:42,307
Speaker 33: was to become a top thirty player, there would be

2085
01:43:42,787 --> 01:43:46,587
Speaker 33: a good problem to have for us. But also there's

2086
01:43:46,627 --> 01:43:51,827
Speaker 33: also there's another exception about national players, so she wouldn't

2087
01:43:52,347 --> 01:43:55,667
Speaker 33: fall within that rule. Okay, we could still have two

2088
01:43:55,747 --> 01:43:58,107
Speaker 33: other players ranked between eleven and thirty, wonderful.

2089
01:43:58,507 --> 01:44:00,667
Speaker 3: The other role, which is interesting is you can only

2090
01:44:00,747 --> 01:44:03,987
Speaker 3: have a top ten player. If she is the defending champion,

2091
01:44:04,067 --> 01:44:07,307
Speaker 3: that's Coco Golf of course, two time defending champion. Can

2092
01:44:07,347 --> 01:44:09,947
Speaker 3: you give us any indication about whether she will be

2093
01:44:10,067 --> 01:44:10,867
Speaker 3: back this summer.

2094
01:44:12,347 --> 01:44:15,227
Speaker 33: It's a little bit early to say. There's a lot

2095
01:44:15,307 --> 01:44:19,667
Speaker 33: of conversation going on at the moment, and I can't

2096
01:44:19,707 --> 01:44:22,787
Speaker 33: really comment on Coco's participation at this time. You'd like

2097
01:44:22,867 --> 01:44:25,707
Speaker 33: to have her back though, of course, I mean, you know,

2098
01:44:25,787 --> 01:44:28,307
Speaker 33: Coco is probably one of the best ambassador of the sport.

2099
01:44:29,627 --> 01:44:32,227
Speaker 33: But if she's not able to come back, then we

2100
01:44:32,427 --> 01:44:35,347
Speaker 33: will also have some really good opportunities.

2101
01:44:36,307 --> 01:44:36,507
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2102
01:44:36,627 --> 01:44:38,587
Speaker 3: I look at the roles and I know you're bound

2103
01:44:38,667 --> 01:44:40,947
Speaker 3: by them. But there are some big name players, aren't they.

2104
01:44:40,987 --> 01:44:43,787
Speaker 3: Nicholas who would be major draw cards who are outside

2105
01:44:43,867 --> 01:44:45,027
Speaker 3: the top thirty, aren't there?

2106
01:44:46,387 --> 01:44:48,387
Speaker 33: Yes, I mean that's that's the reality. If you look

2107
01:44:48,427 --> 01:44:52,547
Speaker 33: at the there's a lot of Grand Slam winners who

2108
01:44:52,787 --> 01:44:57,107
Speaker 33: rank outside of the top thirty, and we're able to

2109
01:44:57,667 --> 01:45:01,147
Speaker 33: go after them and bring them to Auckland. So we're

2110
01:45:01,187 --> 01:45:05,267
Speaker 33: not really worried about the rules from the WTA. There's

2111
01:45:05,427 --> 01:45:07,267
Speaker 33: many ways to work around them.

2112
01:45:07,907 --> 01:45:10,547
Speaker 3: The rules aren't quite so strict for the men's tournament. Obviously,

2113
01:45:10,667 --> 01:45:12,307
Speaker 3: do you think you'll be able to get a top

2114
01:45:12,387 --> 01:45:14,467
Speaker 3: ten player to Auckland for the summer.

2115
01:45:15,827 --> 01:45:17,787
Speaker 33: Top ten is always a bit of a challenge on

2116
01:45:17,827 --> 01:45:21,427
Speaker 33: the men's side for a number of reasons. You know,

2117
01:45:21,547 --> 01:45:24,587
Speaker 33: traditionally that the top ten guys don't necessarily want to

2118
01:45:24,587 --> 01:45:28,587
Speaker 33: play the week before going some Also, now we as

2119
01:45:28,627 --> 01:45:30,187
Speaker 33: you know, we have a started final and you just

2120
01:45:30,507 --> 01:45:34,707
Speaker 33: open starts on the Sunday, which is a little bit challenging. However,

2121
01:45:34,907 --> 01:45:37,547
Speaker 33: you know, we still have some discussions going on, and

2122
01:45:37,867 --> 01:45:40,987
Speaker 33: if not top ten, there will be some players between

2123
01:45:41,187 --> 01:45:42,187
Speaker 33: ten and twenty for sure.

2124
01:45:42,547 --> 01:45:44,987
Speaker 3: When you sit down with these players and or presumably

2125
01:45:45,027 --> 01:45:48,667
Speaker 3: their representatives or both, what's your pitch to them to

2126
01:45:49,027 --> 01:45:50,387
Speaker 3: try and lure them to Aukland.

2127
01:45:52,667 --> 01:45:56,187
Speaker 33: It's a combination of factors, I guess. The first thing

2128
01:45:56,347 --> 01:46:00,747
Speaker 33: is it needs to fit within their schedule. Some players

2129
01:46:00,827 --> 01:46:04,067
Speaker 33: want to play one tournament before the turn open, others

2130
01:46:04,107 --> 01:46:07,347
Speaker 33: want to play two, so we need to to factor

2131
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Speaker 33: there in. And also you know, we you know, we're

2132
01:46:10,987 --> 01:46:13,707
Speaker 33: trying to track them. I mean not only from a

2133
01:46:14,027 --> 01:46:16,387
Speaker 33: financial point of view, because you know the dollars do

2134
01:46:16,827 --> 01:46:20,187
Speaker 33: matter in that in that regard, but also in terms

2135
01:46:20,227 --> 01:46:22,787
Speaker 33: of the experience that we can offer to the players,

2136
01:46:22,867 --> 01:46:23,427
Speaker 33: nor can.

2137
01:46:24,827 --> 01:46:24,867
Speaker 10: We.

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01:46:25,107 --> 01:46:28,907
Speaker 33: We're lucky to have a great history and players speak

2139
01:46:28,987 --> 01:46:34,227
Speaker 33: really highly of the tournament. We get really good grades

2140
01:46:34,267 --> 01:46:37,067
Speaker 33: also from from the tool supervisors both on the h

2141
01:46:37,147 --> 01:46:40,187
Speaker 33: P n W t A. So all all of these

2142
01:46:40,267 --> 01:46:42,507
Speaker 33: factors really help to track the top talent.

2143
01:46:42,827 --> 01:46:44,267
Speaker 3: And I guess from your point of view, you can't.

2144
01:46:44,387 --> 01:46:46,627
Speaker 3: You can't have everybody, can you. I mean, you do

2145
01:46:46,787 --> 01:46:50,067
Speaker 3: have a budget that you work with, then how do

2146
01:46:50,187 --> 01:46:52,467
Speaker 3: you do the sums in your head, you know, trying

2147
01:46:52,507 --> 01:46:55,827
Speaker 3: to tract some really big draw cards, but also making

2148
01:46:55,867 --> 01:46:56,907
Speaker 3: sure that the numbers work.

2149
01:46:57,987 --> 01:47:01,587
Speaker 33: Yeah, we need to be selective, you know, as when

2150
01:47:01,627 --> 01:47:05,267
Speaker 33: we do the player field, trying to select maybe four

2151
01:47:05,387 --> 01:47:08,667
Speaker 33: or five players on the men's side and on the

2152
01:47:08,707 --> 01:47:12,627
Speaker 33: women's side, and then I go after the ones that

2153
01:47:12,907 --> 01:47:16,587
Speaker 33: I believe the funds in Aukland want to watch and

2154
01:47:16,707 --> 01:47:19,987
Speaker 33: also the ones that you know, I know we'll be

2155
01:47:20,027 --> 01:47:21,267
Speaker 33: able to deliver on the.

2156
01:47:21,267 --> 01:47:25,907
Speaker 3: Court fantastic and Kyway's I know feature in the early

2157
01:47:26,027 --> 01:47:29,867
Speaker 3: round anyway has been Kiwi involvement. They'll be there again potentially,

2158
01:47:30,027 --> 01:47:32,227
Speaker 3: you know you'll get wild cards, will you to some

2159
01:47:32,387 --> 01:47:33,027
Speaker 3: Kiwi plans?

2160
01:47:33,787 --> 01:47:37,707
Speaker 33: Yeah, we still have that playoff system, so there's there's

2161
01:47:37,747 --> 01:47:40,707
Speaker 33: a player for the men's in piano and another one

2162
01:47:40,747 --> 01:47:43,547
Speaker 33: for the women's at the v Tennis Center. The winner

2163
01:47:43,587 --> 01:47:47,947
Speaker 33: gets Mendro and the runner up gets qualies. On top

2164
01:47:47,987 --> 01:47:51,387
Speaker 33: of this, will most likely have you know, Marcus Daniel

2165
01:47:52,267 --> 01:47:56,227
Speaker 33: plays last tournament in Oakland in doubles, so we'll we'll

2166
01:47:56,267 --> 01:47:57,067
Speaker 33: be glad to have him.

2167
01:47:57,547 --> 01:48:00,027
Speaker 3: And you mentioned you're in the United States at the moment.

2168
01:48:00,067 --> 01:48:02,387
Speaker 3: I know you spend some time at Wimbledon, so in

2169
01:48:02,467 --> 01:48:05,467
Speaker 3: your travels, I mean, it feels like a dream job,

2170
01:48:05,507 --> 01:48:07,267
Speaker 3: but it's probably all business for you. Is that you

2171
01:48:07,307 --> 01:48:08,947
Speaker 3: actually get to watch any decent tennis.

2172
01:48:10,427 --> 01:48:12,347
Speaker 33: Yeah, I've watched a lot of tennis over the summer.

2173
01:48:13,227 --> 01:48:15,707
Speaker 33: I was at Wimbledon, then I went to Paris for

2174
01:48:15,747 --> 01:48:19,187
Speaker 33: the Olympics, I was in Cincinnati last week. I'm this

2175
01:48:19,347 --> 01:48:22,067
Speaker 33: week in New York for the UTS in the new

2176
01:48:22,307 --> 01:48:25,667
Speaker 33: short format, which is quite interesting to watch. And then

2177
01:48:25,707 --> 01:48:28,267
Speaker 33: I'll be at the US Open starting from from next

2178
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Speaker 33: week and then back back in Auckland.

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Speaker 3: All right, and everything's in in UH, in place, You're

2180
01:48:34,147 --> 01:48:36,347
Speaker 3: where you want to be in UH sort of. As

2181
01:48:36,387 --> 01:48:38,547
Speaker 3: we head towards the end of August with the tournament.

2182
01:48:38,667 --> 01:48:40,907
Speaker 3: I'm sure it will rush up quickly the back end

2183
01:48:40,907 --> 01:48:41,427
Speaker 3: of December.

2184
01:48:42,547 --> 01:48:46,227
Speaker 33: Yeah, everything's in place, you know, we've we've made our

2185
01:48:46,267 --> 01:48:51,107
Speaker 33: first announcement yesterday. Tickets go go and sell next week

2186
01:48:51,427 --> 01:48:54,107
Speaker 33: and we'll start announcing more and more players as the

2187
01:48:54,147 --> 01:48:56,947
Speaker 33: weeks get get closer to the start of the tournament.

2188
01:48:57,227 --> 01:49:00,547
Speaker 3: Terrific. As I said, it's always a major drawcoud on

2189
01:49:00,667 --> 01:49:03,667
Speaker 3: the New Zealand Sporting Calendar. Nicholas, thanks for having a

2190
01:49:03,747 --> 01:49:06,307
Speaker 3: chat to us. All the best with your ongoing negotiation

2191
01:49:06,627 --> 01:49:08,707
Speaker 3: and look forward to catching up again as the tournament

2192
01:49:08,787 --> 01:49:09,347
Speaker 3: draws closer.

2193
01:49:10,547 --> 01:49:11,107
Speaker 33: My pleasure.

2194
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Speaker 3: Thanks very much, No, thank you, Nicholas. Nicholas Lampa. And

2195
01:49:13,427 --> 01:49:15,187
Speaker 3: they're joining us out of the United States ahead of

2196
01:49:15,227 --> 01:49:18,467
Speaker 3: the ASP Classics. So it starts on December thirty. The

2197
01:49:18,547 --> 01:49:21,267
Speaker 3: women's week runs through until January five, and then the

2198
01:49:21,307 --> 01:49:25,307
Speaker 3: men take over from January sixth through eleven, leading directly

2199
01:49:25,387 --> 01:49:28,987
Speaker 3: into the first round of the Australian Tennis Open. And

2200
01:49:28,987 --> 01:49:31,667
Speaker 3: it will be here before you know it, twenty twenty five,

2201
01:49:32,267 --> 01:49:34,907
Speaker 3: can you believe it? Yeah, and justific case you missed

2202
01:49:34,907 --> 01:49:37,507
Speaker 3: that news, Lulusan is through to the semifinals of the

2203
01:49:37,587 --> 01:49:43,467
Speaker 3: Monterey Open in Mexico. She's cruised past Russian Erica on

2204
01:49:43,667 --> 01:49:46,947
Speaker 3: Dreva in straight sets six y four, six three. It's

2205
01:49:46,987 --> 01:49:49,787
Speaker 3: also been confirmed that at the US Open, Luluslan will

2206
01:49:49,827 --> 01:49:53,987
Speaker 3: take on Italian Lucia Bronzetti in the opening round. That's

2207
01:49:54,027 --> 01:49:56,427
Speaker 3: the final Grand Slam event of the year, so let's

2208
01:49:56,427 --> 01:49:58,867
Speaker 3: say lu Lusun can finish strongly. Great to note that

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01:49:58,947 --> 01:50:02,307
Speaker 3: she's going to end the year and be here over

2210
01:50:02,387 --> 01:50:05,747
Speaker 3: the summer at the ASB Classic in Auckland. What are

2211
01:50:05,787 --> 01:50:08,787
Speaker 3: we twenty three away from three Tasman seven Counties three

2212
01:50:09,027 --> 01:50:11,147
Speaker 3: and Pokakoe with twenty nine minutes gone, but of an

2213
01:50:11,187 --> 01:50:14,187
Speaker 3: arm wrestle happening there Auckland v. Canterbury. But later on

2214
01:50:14,427 --> 01:50:17,467
Speaker 3: four thirty five we've got full commentary of all of

2215
01:50:17,547 --> 01:50:21,627
Speaker 3: these Bunning MPC games. Incidentally, what ashy, that's probably a lie.

2216
01:50:21,827 --> 01:50:23,907
Speaker 3: Not all of them because a couple of them clash

2217
01:50:23,987 --> 01:50:27,187
Speaker 3: in terms of time, but pretty much every Bunning MPC

2218
01:50:27,387 --> 01:50:29,667
Speaker 3: match and a lot of far Apartment Cup matches too.

2219
01:50:29,947 --> 01:50:33,027
Speaker 3: On Goldsport via iHeartRadio, we certainly I know have the

2220
01:50:33,867 --> 01:50:36,387
Speaker 3: Auckland Canterbury game for you at four thirty five this

2221
01:50:36,507 --> 01:50:40,867
Speaker 3: afternoon it's a It's a game, isn't it. That's steeped

2222
01:50:40,947 --> 01:50:43,307
Speaker 3: in history. You know, you go back, it's probably not

2223
01:50:43,427 --> 01:50:45,787
Speaker 3: quite the same now, but with Super Rugby and everything,

2224
01:50:45,827 --> 01:50:49,707
Speaker 3: but yeah, going back pre nineteen ninety six, Auckland v.

2225
01:50:49,787 --> 01:50:52,707
Speaker 3: Canterbury was always a massive deal down the years, some

2226
01:50:52,827 --> 01:50:55,747
Speaker 3: of the Titanic clashes they've had that ranfully shield change

2227
01:50:55,747 --> 01:50:58,707
Speaker 3: when Auckland took the shield off Canterbury in christ Here

2228
01:50:58,707 --> 01:51:03,067
Speaker 3: it's nineteen eighty five. Eighty five, yeah, eighty five. Still

2229
01:51:03,107 --> 01:51:05,107
Speaker 3: one of the most iconic rugby matches in our history.

2230
01:51:05,547 --> 01:51:08,027
Speaker 3: Latest incarnation of Aukland by Caniburary this afternoon, four thirty

2231
01:51:08,067 --> 01:51:10,827
Speaker 3: five at Eden Park. It's twenty two away from three

2232
01:51:10,867 --> 01:51:12,947
Speaker 3: when we come back. Darren Basley, all Whites's coach. He's

2233
01:51:12,987 --> 01:51:15,427
Speaker 3: named a squad for next month's games against Mexico and

2234
01:51:15,467 --> 01:51:18,307
Speaker 3: the United States. It's as strong a squad as I've seen.

2235
01:51:18,347 --> 01:51:19,867
Speaker 3: How does he raise it? Darren Basley?

2236
01:51:19,907 --> 01:51:23,787
Speaker 1: After this you be the TMO have your say On

2237
01:51:24,067 --> 01:51:27,267
Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekends Sport with Jason

2238
01:51:27,347 --> 01:51:33,107
Speaker 1: Hym and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder NEWSTALKSB.

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01:51:33,107 --> 01:51:35,667
Speaker 3: NEWSTALKSB just on eighteen and a half away from three

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01:51:35,747 --> 01:51:38,107
Speaker 3: are very strong. All white squad has been named for

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Speaker 3: next month's football internationals against Mexico and the United States.

2242
01:51:42,147 --> 01:51:46,147
Speaker 3: Frontline stars Chris Wood, Joe Bell, Marcos s Daminiz, Matt Garbett, Sarprech,

2243
01:51:46,187 --> 01:51:51,067
Speaker 3: Singer Michael Boxel all return. They missed June's OFC Nations Cup,

2244
01:51:51,107 --> 01:51:52,307
Speaker 3: which of course New Zealand won.

2245
01:51:52,587 --> 01:51:55,587
Speaker 17: Elijah Just all lovely touch on to Ben Old, ties

2246
01:51:55,667 --> 01:51:59,707
Speaker 17: to fire. Then in water shock Ben Old and Ben

2247
01:52:00,027 --> 01:52:06,867
Speaker 17: Or makes it for nil. Elijah just outstanding today to

2248
01:52:07,067 --> 01:52:08,427
Speaker 17: assist one goal.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Both of those players, Elijah Just and Ben Older and

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01:52:11,027 --> 01:52:13,507
Speaker 3: the squad sixteen of the twenty one in fact are

2252
01:52:13,667 --> 01:52:17,267
Speaker 3: based offshore. Tim Payne, Alex Rufer and Costa barbarusis from

2253
01:52:17,267 --> 01:52:20,067
Speaker 3: the Phoenix. Alex Paulson and Tommy Smith from Auckland FC.

2254
01:52:20,827 --> 01:52:23,547
Speaker 3: The New Zealand based players. New Zealand play Mexico on

2255
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Speaker 3: September eighth in California and the US three days later

2256
01:52:27,507 --> 01:52:30,467
Speaker 3: in Cincinnati. Coach of the team is Darren Baisley, who

2257
01:52:30,547 --> 01:52:32,427
Speaker 3: joins US Starren. This is a strong squad. Is this

2258
01:52:32,547 --> 01:52:35,907
Speaker 3: the strongest squad you've named in your time as head coach.

2259
01:52:36,627 --> 01:52:38,987
Speaker 16: Yeah, I think it is planning. You know, it's a

2260
01:52:39,067 --> 01:52:42,067
Speaker 16: really strong squad, you know, and touch Wood you know,

2261
01:52:42,467 --> 01:52:44,667
Speaker 16: we don't lose any players building up to this squad,

2262
01:52:44,707 --> 01:52:47,947
Speaker 16: which has happened to us almost every time we get together,

2263
01:52:48,067 --> 01:52:51,347
Speaker 16: we lose players in the build up. So yeah, right now,

2264
01:52:51,427 --> 01:52:54,947
Speaker 16: I'd say this is a really really strong squad. So

2265
01:52:55,067 --> 01:52:57,627
Speaker 16: it's an exciting, exciting and exciting tour.

2266
01:52:58,427 --> 01:53:01,387
Speaker 3: Was there any Was there any discussion needed with any

2267
01:53:01,427 --> 01:53:03,667
Speaker 3: of these players to convince them to come or were

2268
01:53:03,707 --> 01:53:05,307
Speaker 3: they all pretty keen to get their hand up?

2269
01:53:06,427 --> 01:53:08,827
Speaker 16: One's really keen there. You know, they're big games against

2270
01:53:08,867 --> 01:53:12,867
Speaker 16: big nations and everyone's just excited to get back back

2271
01:53:12,907 --> 01:53:15,467
Speaker 16: into the tours. You know, we've had the Olympics and

2272
01:53:15,507 --> 01:53:17,947
Speaker 16: we've had the Nation's Cup with sort of hybrid squads,

2273
01:53:18,147 --> 01:53:20,627
Speaker 16: so you know, this is this is sort of the

2274
01:53:20,707 --> 01:53:23,507
Speaker 16: first time everybody's back together. And when we look back

2275
01:53:23,547 --> 01:53:25,867
Speaker 16: to Egypt, it's sort of the bulk of that squad

2276
01:53:26,187 --> 01:53:28,667
Speaker 16: that toured then. But even in that squad we were

2277
01:53:28,707 --> 01:53:31,827
Speaker 16: missing Woodsy and Joe Bell and Painey. So yeah, this

2278
01:53:31,987 --> 01:53:34,747
Speaker 16: is a strong squad with almost everybody available the only

2279
01:53:34,787 --> 01:53:38,547
Speaker 16: player we wasn't available was Callum Cowart, so he's the

2280
01:53:38,587 --> 01:53:41,067
Speaker 16: only one that wasn't available everybody else. You know, we've

2281
01:53:41,347 --> 01:53:43,987
Speaker 16: we've ended up having to make some pretty tough decisions.

2282
01:53:43,587 --> 01:53:45,627
Speaker 3: On yeah, and just on that. How difficult are the

2283
01:53:45,667 --> 01:53:48,507
Speaker 3: conversations you now have to have more and more with

2284
01:53:48,707 --> 01:53:50,907
Speaker 3: good players who you just can't for them.

2285
01:53:51,907 --> 01:53:54,947
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean it's it's tough. It's disappointing for the players.

2286
01:53:55,027 --> 01:53:57,387
Speaker 16: You know when you look at someone like Maxmatter, who's

2287
01:53:57,427 --> 01:53:59,667
Speaker 16: been involved in pretty much every game we've played in

2288
01:53:59,707 --> 01:54:02,147
Speaker 16: the last eighteen months, and you know he's just moved

2289
01:54:02,187 --> 01:54:04,547
Speaker 16: to Auckland and you know he was having to speak

2290
01:54:04,587 --> 01:54:06,307
Speaker 16: to him and you know, leave him out.

2291
01:54:06,467 --> 01:54:07,307
Speaker 8: This was tough.

2292
01:54:07,507 --> 01:54:10,067
Speaker 16: But then there's other players that had similar conversations with

2293
01:54:10,187 --> 01:54:12,307
Speaker 16: you know, when you're when we're leaving players out like

2294
01:54:12,427 --> 01:54:14,947
Speaker 16: Max and Grievesy and Build to I Looma, you know,

2295
01:54:15,667 --> 01:54:17,787
Speaker 16: and there's lots of others that you know that are

2296
01:54:17,827 --> 01:54:20,987
Speaker 16: pretty household names. You know, it's it's it's good for us.

2297
01:54:21,227 --> 01:54:24,387
Speaker 16: You know, they're tough conversations, but they all know that,

2298
01:54:24,587 --> 01:54:26,787
Speaker 16: you know, when we say, well, that's the challenge. Now

2299
01:54:26,827 --> 01:54:29,387
Speaker 16: there's competition for places, and you know, they all know

2300
01:54:29,787 --> 01:54:32,147
Speaker 16: the level of the players that are potentially in front

2301
01:54:32,187 --> 01:54:34,027
Speaker 16: of them and they know what they've got to do

2302
01:54:34,187 --> 01:54:35,787
Speaker 16: to get back into that selection.

2303
01:54:36,387 --> 01:54:38,947
Speaker 3: Just one player I'd like to ask about that's met

2304
01:54:39,107 --> 01:54:42,747
Speaker 3: doubly Ds. Has he confirmed whether he wants to pledge

2305
01:54:42,787 --> 01:54:45,827
Speaker 3: allegiance to New Zealand yet or not? What's a situation.

2306
01:54:46,467 --> 01:54:48,747
Speaker 16: Yes he has. You know, he's really keen to be

2307
01:54:48,867 --> 01:54:51,187
Speaker 16: involved and I speak to him pretty regularly and in

2308
01:54:51,227 --> 01:54:52,747
Speaker 16: fact I spoke to him a couple of days ago.

2309
01:54:53,267 --> 01:54:55,587
Speaker 16: So he's in a position where he's just gone on loan.

2310
01:54:55,627 --> 01:54:58,147
Speaker 16: He's on a season loan to Northampton which is a

2311
01:54:58,227 --> 01:55:01,907
Speaker 16: League One club. He started their last game. It's took

2312
01:55:01,987 --> 01:55:04,067
Speaker 16: him a little bit of time to settle in there.

2313
01:55:04,107 --> 01:55:06,227
Speaker 16: It's a different level of football for him going for

2314
01:55:06,507 --> 01:55:10,307
Speaker 16: Fulham to Northampton and League One, so you know, right

2315
01:55:10,387 --> 01:55:13,147
Speaker 16: now they don't stop for the windows, so he would

2316
01:55:13,187 --> 01:55:15,627
Speaker 16: be missing games and right now it's the best time

2317
01:55:15,707 --> 01:55:17,707
Speaker 16: for him is to cement his place at the club,

2318
01:55:18,027 --> 01:55:20,787
Speaker 16: you know, have a really good run of games before

2319
01:55:21,027 --> 01:55:24,107
Speaker 16: he wants to come back involved. But yeah, no, he's

2320
01:55:24,147 --> 01:55:26,627
Speaker 16: definitely keen. You know, he came in in October with

2321
01:55:26,747 --> 01:55:29,427
Speaker 16: us and loved the environment. It was a shame he

2322
01:55:29,627 --> 01:55:33,987
Speaker 16: got that injury when he did. But no, he's really

2323
01:55:34,027 --> 01:55:36,387
Speaker 16: keen to stay involved and he can't wait to come

2324
01:55:36,427 --> 01:55:36,667
Speaker 16: back in.

2325
01:55:37,067 --> 01:55:39,507
Speaker 3: I look at the caliber of players you have now

2326
01:55:39,507 --> 01:55:41,907
Speaker 3: at your disposal and the clubs that they're at. Last

2327
01:55:41,947 --> 01:55:44,907
Speaker 3: weekend base there were players playing in the Premier League

2328
01:55:45,107 --> 01:55:48,227
Speaker 3: in Siri, are in League one, the top league in France,

2329
01:55:48,347 --> 01:55:52,267
Speaker 3: and the Dutch top flight and other good leagues around Europe.

2330
01:55:52,307 --> 01:55:54,427
Speaker 3: And then that's without mentioning those who are based in

2331
01:55:54,467 --> 01:55:56,987
Speaker 3: the United States. How cool is it for you, as

2332
01:55:57,027 --> 01:55:59,827
Speaker 3: all Whites coach to have your players playing at that

2333
01:56:00,027 --> 01:56:01,067
Speaker 3: level week in week out.

2334
01:56:02,067 --> 01:56:04,507
Speaker 16: I mean it's awesome. You know, we get to watch

2335
01:56:04,587 --> 01:56:06,947
Speaker 16: these players play in that club environment, and you know,

2336
01:56:07,067 --> 01:56:08,987
Speaker 16: and now we're watching, like you say, we're watching league

2337
01:56:09,027 --> 01:56:11,747
Speaker 16: and games and Premier League games and Syria games and

2338
01:56:12,267 --> 01:56:14,627
Speaker 16: you know, Marco's doing really well in pr coos and

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Speaker 16: garbage scoring for you know, in that in that league.

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Speaker 16: So yeah, it's awesome that we've got players forging top careers,

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Speaker 16: you know. And that was the challenge laid down to

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Speaker 16: them quite a few years ago as young players coming

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01:56:27,507 --> 01:56:30,867
Speaker 16: in too, to keep continuing to develop themselves to get

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Speaker 16: into these level of clubs. So yes, it bothes well

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Speaker 16: for New Zealand, for the all whites that you know,

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01:56:37,627 --> 01:56:40,867
Speaker 16: these younger players are getting into good environments and they're

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Speaker 16: going to be around for quite a while so and

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Speaker 16: I think we've got others that will continue to keep

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Speaker 16: you know, developing into into these high level players, which

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Speaker 16: is great for.

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Speaker 3: Us as they continue to you know, to make their

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Speaker 3: name at club level and as you mentioned with Mett

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01:56:54,307 --> 01:56:56,467
Speaker 3: w d space player for them at the moment, ASA's club.

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Speaker 3: As these players become more and more important to their

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Speaker 3: clubs and some already are. Chris, what a good example

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Speaker 3: do you do you foresee any difficulty in extricating them

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Speaker 3: for international matches or not?

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Speaker 16: I don't think so. I think, you know, the higher

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Speaker 16: it goes, the easier it gets because they stop for

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01:57:12,667 --> 01:57:15,107
Speaker 16: windows and the higher level clubs are just used to

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Speaker 16: releasing players for international windows. So whilst I think club

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Speaker 16: coaches are never really keen to release players because obviously

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Speaker 16: stuff can happen while they're away, I think they all

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Speaker 16: have an understanding that you know, the international windows coming up,

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Speaker 16: and you know, they've got good players that are going

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01:57:29,547 --> 01:57:31,947
Speaker 16: to play for their countries as well. So yeah, it's

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01:57:32,027 --> 01:57:36,147
Speaker 16: becoming harder the club and country sort of clash, and

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Speaker 16: the commitment from players on a physical level, you know,

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Speaker 16: every single year. It is tough, I think fe for

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Speaker 16: our looking at the windows of how that can help.

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Speaker 16: But right now now we don't seem to have too many,

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01:57:48,027 --> 01:57:51,747
Speaker 16: too many issues regards to release of players for these windows.

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Speaker 16: Obviously the Nation's Cup and Olympics was slightly different, Olympics

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01:57:56,387 --> 01:57:58,467
Speaker 16: not even being a window and Nations Cut being a

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Speaker 16: sort of separate window to normal. But this one, this one,

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Speaker 16: yet we're good.

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Speaker 3: I guess one of your headaches now is trying to

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01:58:04,867 --> 01:58:08,147
Speaker 3: work out who to play. You've got so much competition.

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Speaker 3: But I want to ask you about goalkeeper. All three

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01:58:11,107 --> 01:58:14,747
Speaker 3: of you goalkeepers, Alex Paulson, Max Crocum and Olie Sale

2381
01:58:14,867 --> 01:58:18,147
Speaker 3: probably feel like they've got a case to be your

2382
01:58:18,627 --> 01:58:20,467
Speaker 3: first choice between the sticks. How are you going to

2383
01:58:20,507 --> 01:58:21,347
Speaker 3: manage that dynamic?

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Speaker 16: They are, they're very good, you know, and we've got

2385
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Speaker 16: other goalkeepers you know, behind them. In regards to Nick

2386
01:58:26,707 --> 01:58:29,747
Speaker 16: Zanev and Michael Valden. You know, some of the younger

2387
01:58:29,787 --> 01:58:31,667
Speaker 16: players like Henry in Case Sims so We've got a

2388
01:58:31,747 --> 01:58:34,707
Speaker 16: really good group of goalkeepers that you know, Paul Gothard

2389
01:58:34,987 --> 01:58:37,827
Speaker 16: are a goalkeeper coach. He tracks them all, speaks them

2390
01:58:37,867 --> 01:58:40,467
Speaker 16: all very regularly, gets training clips, gets game clips, so

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01:58:41,067 --> 01:58:43,827
Speaker 16: we're monitoring them all. I think they all know that

2392
01:58:44,187 --> 01:58:47,587
Speaker 16: they have to be playing, you know, they you know,

2393
01:58:47,787 --> 01:58:50,987
Speaker 16: they're very all, very similar level. But now it comes

2394
01:58:51,067 --> 01:58:53,587
Speaker 16: down to well who's in form? You know right now,

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01:58:53,707 --> 01:58:55,787
Speaker 16: Max cro COM's done very well for us when he's

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01:58:55,827 --> 01:58:59,987
Speaker 16: come in, Paulson's done very well for us. So we've

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01:59:00,027 --> 01:59:02,227
Speaker 16: got and obviously Olie's you know, if you go back

2398
01:59:02,267 --> 01:59:04,227
Speaker 16: two years and you know he was in great form,

2399
01:59:04,307 --> 01:59:07,387
Speaker 16: so he's he's challenged himself to get back to those levels.

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01:59:07,827 --> 01:59:09,747
Speaker 16: And if we if we get that Oli sail from

2401
01:59:10,347 --> 01:59:12,827
Speaker 16: two years back where we remember him, you know he

2402
01:59:12,987 --> 01:59:15,747
Speaker 16: was he was outstanding and almost getting moves to higher

2403
01:59:15,827 --> 01:59:18,267
Speaker 16: leagues back then. So yeah, we're in a good place

2404
01:59:18,307 --> 01:59:20,827
Speaker 16: with the goalkeepers. Tough, tough decisions and I.

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01:59:20,907 --> 01:59:23,467
Speaker 3: Ask you this, I think before every two game window

2406
01:59:23,547 --> 01:59:25,387
Speaker 3: you play, but I'll ask it again. How do you

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01:59:25,467 --> 01:59:28,747
Speaker 3: plan to manage the two games two strong opponents based

2408
01:59:28,747 --> 01:59:31,187
Speaker 3: Mexico in the United States? Are you looking to try

2409
01:59:31,227 --> 01:59:32,747
Speaker 3: and give a lot of guys game time. Are you

2410
01:59:32,867 --> 01:59:35,867
Speaker 3: going to try and settle on a best to live

2411
01:59:35,907 --> 01:59:36,987
Speaker 3: and how will you manage that?

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01:59:37,787 --> 01:59:39,947
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean the level of this squad now, every

2413
01:59:39,987 --> 01:59:42,027
Speaker 16: player coming into the squad wants to play, you know,

2414
01:59:42,107 --> 01:59:44,347
Speaker 16: they want to start, they want to get minutes, which

2415
01:59:44,387 --> 01:59:46,427
Speaker 16: is rightly so, so it is going to be some

2416
01:59:46,547 --> 01:59:50,067
Speaker 16: tough decisions. But you know, we it's not a case

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01:59:50,147 --> 01:59:52,787
Speaker 16: of giving everyone an opportunity. You know, we want to

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01:59:52,787 --> 01:59:54,467
Speaker 16: be as strong as we can every time we're on

2419
01:59:54,547 --> 01:59:57,987
Speaker 16: the pitch. What we have now is really good options

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01:59:58,387 --> 02:00:02,187
Speaker 16: off the bench and really good options to make changes

2421
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Speaker 16: in between games. But we won't do that just for

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02:00:05,827 --> 02:00:08,107
Speaker 16: the sake of it. You know, we'll play the first

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Speaker 16: game as long as we'll gauge you know, levels of

2424
02:00:12,827 --> 02:00:15,427
Speaker 16: the loadings and everything and recovery in between those two

2425
02:00:15,467 --> 02:00:17,707
Speaker 16: games and decide whether to make changes or not, and

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02:00:17,987 --> 02:00:20,347
Speaker 16: depending on performance as well. So I think what it

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02:00:20,387 --> 02:00:25,867
Speaker 16: comes down to now is perform and keep your place

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02:00:25,947 --> 02:00:29,227
Speaker 16: almost So that's that's exactly where we need to be

2429
02:00:29,867 --> 02:00:32,227
Speaker 16: in regards to if you're if you're not performing, then

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02:00:32,347 --> 02:00:35,387
Speaker 16: potentially somebody could take your place in the starting lineup,

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02:00:36,067 --> 02:00:37,547
Speaker 16: which is which is a good place for the all

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Speaker 16: whits to be in.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, and just to finish, these are your last two

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02:00:40,267 --> 02:00:43,947
Speaker 3: matches before you enter World Cup qualifiers. Does your quest

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Speaker 3: for making the twenty twenty six Football World Cup kind

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Speaker 3: of begin now?

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Speaker 16: Yeah? I think so. You know, these are obviously the

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Speaker 16: World Cup qualifiers are the most important things. You know,

2439
02:00:54,627 --> 02:00:57,147
Speaker 16: we've got them coming up October, November and March, so

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Speaker 16: they are the most important. That's the business end. But

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02:01:00,067 --> 02:01:03,027
Speaker 16: these two games, you know, against teams ranked sixteen and

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Speaker 16: seventeen in the world and teams that are the host

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Speaker 16: for the World Cup. I think this is a great opportunity.

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02:01:09,867 --> 02:01:12,787
Speaker 16: I should really inspire and infuse our players to go, okay,

2445
02:01:12,867 --> 02:01:14,547
Speaker 16: we want to get to the World Cup, to play

2446
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Speaker 16: against these teams in these environments every week or at

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02:01:18,267 --> 02:01:21,867
Speaker 16: that tournament. So, you know, going from these games into

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Speaker 16: our World Cup qualifiers, you know, I think is perfect.

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Speaker 16: They're tough games, but there should be you're that motivation

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Speaker 16: if we need any motivation to ensure that we qualify.

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Speaker 3: It's a terrific squad for two really exciting game space.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for taking the time for a chat. Look forward

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Speaker 3: to catching up as the as the matches draw closer. Yeah,

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02:01:38,787 --> 02:01:40,827
Speaker 3: well good anytime. Good to catch up Penny, No, good

2455
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Speaker 3: to catch up with you two, Darren Darren. Basically they're

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Speaker 3: all White's head coach. Eight and a half to three

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Speaker 3: have had alerted to me by Chris lul Luslan's won

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Speaker 3: her semi final at that Monterey Open in Mexico. She's

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Speaker 3: through to the final. She'd never before reached the semi

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Speaker 3: finals of a WTA tournament. Now she's one one away

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Speaker 3: from becoming the first key wee to win a singles

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Speaker 3: title at this level since Marina Arakovich in twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 3: and she's also expected to jump up to number forty

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Speaker 3: one and world starting this year at two hundred and

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Speaker 3: nineteen in the world. Amazing from Lulu Son eight to

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Speaker 3: So clearly Lester, yes, weetdays we said.

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