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Speaker 2: Hello, Deck, you're a good afternoon and welcome into the

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Speaker 2: Sunday edition of Weekend Sport on News Talk s V

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Speaker 2: for December seven. I'm Jason Pine, the show produced by

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Speaker 2: Andy McDonald. We're here until three o'clock this afternoon. Outgoing

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Speaker 2: New Zealand rugby CEO Mark Robinson leads us off today

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Speaker 2: with what we'll call his Weekend Sport exit interview. Six

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Speaker 2: years in the role, what's he proudest of? How does

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Speaker 2: he reflect on it? Would he have done anything differently

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Speaker 2: given his time again? And why can't they find somebody

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Speaker 2: to take his place? I'm keen for your view on

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Speaker 2: a couple things as well, Mark Robinson's legacy and the

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Speaker 2: most important issues facing his successor whoever. That might be

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Speaker 2: an hour of rugby to start other matters around today.

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Speaker 2: Man an F one promoter's dream The twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: Formula One drivers championship will be decided in Abu Dhabi

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Speaker 2: tomorrow morning. Going to break it down with award winning

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Speaker 2: Formula One journalist, broadcaster and former general manager with Williams

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Speaker 2: and Ferrari, Peter Windsor, Max Verstappens on poll Lando Norris

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Speaker 2: What might happen around the Abu Dhabi course? Peter Windsor

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Speaker 2: after one and we'll hear from many of the contenders

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Speaker 2: after today's qualifying. Liam Lawson down in thirteenth for his

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Speaker 2: final left one of the season. Can you get your

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Speaker 2: thoughts too, particularly motorsport fans among you. What do you

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Speaker 2: see playing out in Rbu derby tomorrow morning, another thrilling

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Speaker 2: New Zealand football derby. Yesterday Auckland FC three Wellington Phoenix

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Speaker 2: won five from five in the derby's for Auckland f C.

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Speaker 2: Going to break it down with former All White striker

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Speaker 2: Nol Barkley. The Black Caps in westernis have drawn the

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Speaker 2: first Test in christ Church the wind. He's batting out

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Speaker 2: the final day against an under strength Black Cabs bowling attack.

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Speaker 2: One of those bowlers, New Zealand fast pace bowler Zach

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Speaker 2: Folks on the show and yet more records for this

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Speaker 2: incredible rising running star Sam Ruth. Yesterday he clocked three

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Speaker 2: Track and Field Champs and Hastings. That broke a thirty

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Speaker 2: he also broke the New Zealand Secondary school's eight hundred

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Speaker 2: of the fifteen hundred, which is scheduled for about two

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Speaker 2: but a live sport to keep eyes on while we're

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Speaker 2: on the air as well. The final roll round of

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Speaker 2: Golf's Australian Open is well underway at Royal Melbourne. Daniel

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Speaker 2: Mark Robinson is about to leave New Zealand Rugby, having

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Speaker 2: you made the call to resign mid year. How long

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Speaker 2: What stands out most when you reflect on your nearly

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Speaker 2: So what is next for you?

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Speaker 2: Indeed, it will well whatever it is that comes next.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, Bianie, and I guess I just reflect similarly back

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Speaker 2: all the best you guys. Mark Robinson, outgoing New Zealand

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Speaker 2: fewer people willing to volunteer, so that's grassroots NPC, Super Rugby.

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Speaker 2: I think the products are good, very watchable. Broadcast numbers

433
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Speaker 2: are good, attracting crowds at ground. Still a work on there,

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Speaker 2: So you might have some comments on NPC and Super Rugby.

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Speaker 2: And then we come to our elite sides, the All Blacks,

436
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Speaker 2: Black Ferns. To un less agree our seven sides, they

437
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Speaker 2: will always be crucially important. There's absolutely no doubt the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks in particular need to continue to be successful.

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Speaker 2: So much of our revenue and in particular our global

440
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Speaker 2: revenue is anchored on the legacy and the success of

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Speaker 2: the All Blacks and the ongoing tension between commercial imperatives

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Speaker 2: and high performance will continue to be a challenge. When

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Speaker 2: sponsors and broadcasters pay big money to align themselves with

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Speaker 2: the All Blacks, they want bang for their buck and

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Speaker 2: that means access basically, and every minute the All Blacks

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Speaker 2: spend doing commercial work is a minute that they can't

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Speaker 2: devote to high performance. It's a modern day reality, of course,

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Speaker 2: but it certainly remains a challenge to navigate. So as

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Speaker 2: Mark Robinson vacates the role, how is the game of

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Speaker 2: rugby placed here? And what are the major issues in

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Speaker 9: Can I g oh yeah, Plinny and were enjoyed the

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Speaker 9: chair with the CEO, But I think we're dropping the

462
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Speaker 9: ball big time as what's our coaching development of coaches

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Speaker 9: and especially the coaches going into the or Blecks in

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Speaker 9: the last two realms.

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Speaker 2: Interesting ge okay, so you mean that the current assistant

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Speaker 2: coaching team and maybe the head coach of the or Blacks.

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Speaker 9: Oh excuse me, Finally, what I meant was the head coaches.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Uh, I think you know, South Africa has got it

470
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Speaker 9: right now in terms of blooding people in but ensuring

471
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Speaker 9: that they have international coaching experience before they go in,

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Speaker 9: instead of getting into the job and then having a

473
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Speaker 9: babysitter looking after you when it starts getting a bit tough.

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Speaker 9: And that's what I've found in the last two rounds

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Speaker 9: with you know, these guys who were good coaches, but

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Speaker 9: when it came to international level, you know, we we

477
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Speaker 9: we fell over. But those are the two last coaches

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Speaker 9: we've had with the All Blacks, especially that we had

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Speaker 9: experienced coaches who had runs on the boards in terms

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Speaker 9: of what they've done internationally, and you know, we ignored them.

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Speaker 9: And you know, from my experience from watching the game,

482
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Speaker 9: you know, the coaches are the heart of the team.

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Speaker 2: Oh, certainly a big part of it, Jay, without question.

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Speaker 2: So in your mind, in order to get the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to coach the All Blacks, either as a head coach

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Speaker 2: or even in an assistant role. International experiences is perhaps

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Speaker 2: something that hasn't been valued as much as you would

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Speaker 2: have liked.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, when we had Tea in there, and when we

490
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Speaker 9: had Hanson in there and previously other coaches, you know,

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Speaker 9: they had their international experience, so you know when it

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Speaker 9: came to the hard games, they could go back. You know,

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Speaker 9: Dossy up, all that, all the background that came in

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Speaker 9: with what having is. You know, where we're getting people

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Speaker 9: and you know who seemed to have not notched up

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Speaker 9: their valuable international experience that your need, your need going

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Speaker 9: into just international games. I'm not not even talking about

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Speaker 9: more Cup games here. I've just seen you know, our

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Speaker 9: last two co worts going and just really struggling on

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Speaker 9: their front. And I'm just wondering also, Piney, you know,

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Speaker 9: teen years fifteen years ago, there was a pathway through

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Speaker 9: the clubs and through the schools, you know, to to

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Speaker 9: get into rep rugby and then make your way towards

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Speaker 9: you know, all that contention as a coach if you

505
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Speaker 9: had the skills. However, you know that's been taken away

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Speaker 9: from super you know, super rugby players as soon as

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Speaker 9: a as soon as they retire the you know, they've

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Speaker 9: given an assistant coaching role super Rugby. I think that's

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Speaker 9: another reason why people just said, hey, why going coaching

510
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Speaker 9: Club Rugby? You know there's no pathways for us anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, point, g it's a very interesting point. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: calling mate. You look to be fair to Weean Foster,

513
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Speaker 2: the predecessor to Scott Robertson, he had had a significant

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Speaker 2: amount of international experience as an assistant coach in the

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Speaker 2: All Black setup before he was made head coach in

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. But yeah, I think one of the big

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Speaker 2: question marks when Scott Robertson was appointed was his lack

518
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Speaker 2: of international experience and the fact that there were others around.

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Speaker 2: Jamie Joseph, I guess was the most obvious one who

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Speaker 2: had that international experience. Albeit with Japan and I guess

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Speaker 2: you can still call them a Tier two nation. I

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Speaker 2: don't think you'd call Japan a Tier one rugby nation. Yes,

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Speaker 2: they have wins here and there, but I don't think

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Speaker 2: they they are ever, for example, going to challenge for

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Speaker 2: the latter stages of a World Cup. But yeah, and

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Speaker 2: I see, look, I see, and you probably would have

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Speaker 2: seen this as well. G that South African Rugby have

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Speaker 2: offered Erasmus a contract extension for the next four years

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Speaker 2: after this World Cup. He has now been contracted until

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Speaker 2: the end of twenty thirty one, so they've seen what

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Speaker 2: they like in Rassi Erasmus and they've gone all in

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Speaker 2: on him. Tony Brown, of course, is part of that setup,

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Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people would love to

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Speaker 2: see Tony Brown involved in the All Blacks at some stage,

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Speaker 2: and the Jamie Joseph Tony Brown duo had a lot

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Speaker 2: to like about it. But if Rasi Erasmus has contracted

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Speaker 2: through to twenty thirty one and the success that he's

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Speaker 2: enjoyed as head coach there has been heavily reliant on

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Speaker 2: the likes of Tony Brown and others than if I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm saying a Tony come on the ride with me,

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Speaker 2: may well take Tony Brown out of contention until twenty

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Speaker 2: thirty one as well. Good to chat to your gee

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Speaker 2: drive safe mate, Hello Grant.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Pony. Overall, I think Mark Robertson has been a

545
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Speaker 10: good CEO. As he said, there's some things that could

546
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Speaker 10: have been handled a bit better, But I mean my

547
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Speaker 10: opinion The ideal combination for a good sports CEO is

548
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Speaker 10: to obviously have a good business background but also have

549
00:31:12,747 --> 00:31:16,467
Speaker 10: played that sport at top level, both of which Mark

550
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Speaker 10: Robertson has been as done. But I'd just like to

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Speaker 10: mention one particular situation which everyone in whose land I'm

552
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Speaker 10: sure will remember, the eve of the sacking of Ian

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Speaker 10: Foster as coach in South Africa. If they'd have lost

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Speaker 10: that game, the second Test against the spring Box at

555
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Speaker 10: Alice Park, I mean up till then the All Backs

556
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Speaker 10: would be played shockingly and there wasn't how I think,

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Speaker 10: I don't think there's anyone New Zealand that didn't think

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Speaker 10: that Ian Foster should be the first All Backs coach

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Speaker 10: to be sacked mid term and obviously worded got back

560
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Speaker 10: through the grapevine to the players and maybe they thought, oh,

561
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Speaker 10: we like Fossey as a coach, maybe we'll actually play

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Speaker 10: a good game, and they played the best game they

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Speaker 10: had played the year. Is then the next day Mark

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Speaker 10: obviously Razor was input on hold. Mark Robinson was on

565
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Speaker 10: TV the next day. You look like you hadn't slept,

566
00:32:15,627 --> 00:32:18,707
Speaker 10: looked about ten years older, and you know, I felt

567
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Speaker 10: really sorry for him.

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Speaker 2: Then, you know, Yeah, that was a really unfortunate set

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Speaker 2: of circumstances. Not a happy chapter in New Zealand rugby, Grant,

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Speaker 2: if I'm honest, you know, Yeah, the fact that that's

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Speaker 2: effectively you know, depending on who you believe, and it's

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Speaker 2: never been made fully public, but I think you've got

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Speaker 2: the broad brush strokes of it that had the All

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Speaker 2: Blacks lost that second Test in South Africa in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two, then there would have been a change, you know.

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Speaker 2: And as it turned out, they didn't make the change,

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Speaker 2: and again Foster got us to within one point of

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Speaker 2: another Rugby World Cup. The other point you make so interesting,

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Speaker 2: you know, and I think this is why it's been

580
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Speaker 2: so hard to find the new CEO, is that you

581
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Speaker 2: have to find somebody who goes across the entire range

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Speaker 2: of the sport, not only here but internationally. Somebody who has,

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Speaker 2: as you say, Grant played the game. Mark Robinson was

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Speaker 2: an All Black, you know, had played club rugby, provincial

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Speaker 2: rugby and All Blacks rugby, but then had also become

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Speaker 2: an administrator and moved into the commercial space. How many

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Speaker 2: people like that exist, people who could comfortably walk into

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Speaker 2: a rugby club somewhere up and down New Zealand, lean

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Speaker 2: on the bar and have a chat about Club Rugby,

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Speaker 2: but also sit around board tables some of the biggest

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Speaker 2: sponsors internationally and try and convince them to align their

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Speaker 2: brand with the All Blacks. It's a very small pool.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and if you heard through the grape vine that

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Speaker 10: they are actually interviewing people at the moment. Because Mark

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Speaker 10: Robinson going at the end of the month, I'd like

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Speaker 10: to have a CEO at least the day or two

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Speaker 10: before he actually goes.

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Speaker 2: I've got the interim arrangement going at the moment. Grant

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Speaker 2: Steve Lancaster has Well will assume the interim CEO role. Yes,

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Speaker 2: they are interviewing. I saw a report this week that

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Speaker 2: Sean Marks was one who had been approached Brooklyn Nets

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Speaker 2: general manager in the NBA. Of course, the other part

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Speaker 2: of this is that the job doesn't pay, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, relatively speaking, a heck of a lot. You know,

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Speaker 2: if you're looking for the skill set that thereafter for

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Speaker 2: a high quality CEO. You know, the estimation of Mark

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Speaker 2: Robinson's salary without knowing it is around seven to eight

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Speaker 2: hundred grand, which seems like a lot and to most

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Speaker 2: of us is a lot, but it is not as

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Speaker 2: high as what some you know, high quality executives in

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Speaker 2: the world of sport a runing. I heard one story

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Speaker 2: about a pretty high ranking corporate who's based in Australia

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Speaker 2: now who was approached about the New Zealand rugby job

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Speaker 2: and they could not get near the salary that he

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Speaker 2: was or he is currently on, and so the way

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Speaker 2: they pitched it was that it had to be a

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Speaker 2: passion project. Well, New Zealand Rugby CEO can't be a

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Speaker 2: passion project. It has to be it has to be

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Speaker 2: more than that. And if that's the way they're trying

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Speaker 2: to attract candidates, then I don't know they've They either

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Speaker 2: have to find more money or they have to reduce

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Speaker 2: the scope of the role. And you can't do the

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Speaker 2: second one twelve to forty five Aaron, hold their mate

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Speaker 2: with you right after this O eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty Back in.

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Speaker 1: A moment, don't get caught off side call eight hundred

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Speaker 2: They'd be twelve to one Steve says the average CEO

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Speaker 2: of an AFL or NRL club is on about seven

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Speaker 2: hundred K or a million per annum. Presumably that's Australian dollars,

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Speaker 2: so lifted up a little bit, Steve. I'm sure that's correct.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is why would you leave a club

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Speaker 2: to run an entire sport. You think about the brief

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Speaker 2: of the chief executive of the New Zealand Rugby compared

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Speaker 2: to the brief of the chief executive of the Sydney

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Speaker 2: Roosters for example, or Collingwood. Yes, big jobs, but you

638
00:36:16,187 --> 00:36:19,627
Speaker 2: can focus very much specifically on your club or that

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Speaker 2: having to worry about the health of the sport from

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Speaker 2: grassroots to elite level. I appreciate your your tech stave.

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Speaker 2: Thanks mate.

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Speaker 7: Aaron High Yeah you get mate.

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Speaker 2: How are you good things mate?

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Speaker 11: Good?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Hey, look listening to everything that's going on, you know,

646
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Speaker 5: like I know they're looking off shore and they want

647
00:36:36,867 --> 00:36:39,347
Speaker 5: people with international experience and that I think we should

648
00:36:39,347 --> 00:36:41,787
Speaker 5: look in our own backyard. But that's some pretty cool

649
00:36:42,867 --> 00:36:45,067
Speaker 5: all as that are retired, you know. Like one person

650
00:36:45,147 --> 00:36:47,027
Speaker 5: that comes to mind, and the reason he comes to

651
00:36:47,107 --> 00:36:48,947
Speaker 5: mind because he's been there at the Highs and he's

652
00:36:49,027 --> 00:36:51,387
Speaker 5: been there at the lows and that's JK. I know

653
00:36:51,547 --> 00:36:54,467
Speaker 5: he was with the Japanese and I know they didn't

654
00:36:54,507 --> 00:36:56,267
Speaker 5: do very well, but that's also the calor of the

655
00:36:56,307 --> 00:37:00,907
Speaker 5: people they had playing. But I honestly think if we're

656
00:37:01,027 --> 00:37:05,467
Speaker 5: looking our own backyard, someone with the diversity and the experience,

657
00:37:05,507 --> 00:37:06,187
Speaker 5: someone like JK.

658
00:37:06,467 --> 00:37:07,067
Speaker 6: John twan.

659
00:37:07,707 --> 00:37:10,147
Speaker 5: You know he fumbled the ball. He knows what it

660
00:37:10,427 --> 00:37:13,307
Speaker 5: liked to hit rock bottom at the top of a sport.

661
00:37:13,707 --> 00:37:15,707
Speaker 5: But he also knows what it like what it's like

662
00:37:15,867 --> 00:37:17,427
Speaker 5: to walk at the top of the sport because he's

663
00:37:17,467 --> 00:37:18,227
Speaker 5: been there and done it.

664
00:37:18,987 --> 00:37:21,387
Speaker 2: So you're suggesting him as you're suggesting him, I just

665
00:37:21,467 --> 00:37:23,987
Speaker 2: make sure we're on the same patre. You're suggesting him

666
00:37:23,987 --> 00:37:29,307
Speaker 2: as a CEO of New Zealand Rugby. Correct nice Well,

667
00:37:29,387 --> 00:37:31,707
Speaker 2: I mean it's a left field suggestion heron. I hadn't

668
00:37:31,707 --> 00:37:33,707
Speaker 2: thought of it myself. But well, if you're looking for

669
00:37:33,787 --> 00:37:35,867
Speaker 2: a guy, as you say, who has ridden the highs

670
00:37:35,907 --> 00:37:38,027
Speaker 2: and lows of this game of rugby, has played it

671
00:37:38,067 --> 00:37:40,227
Speaker 2: from grassroots up to the All Blacks, I'm not sure

672
00:37:40,227 --> 00:37:44,147
Speaker 2: about the commercial experience. And again, it's, as I said before,

673
00:37:44,507 --> 00:37:46,867
Speaker 2: pretty difficult to find somebody who ticks every box and

674
00:37:46,987 --> 00:37:49,747
Speaker 2: what they call a skills matrix these days. But yeah,

675
00:37:49,747 --> 00:37:51,067
Speaker 2: I don't know whether jakead want to do it.

676
00:37:51,307 --> 00:37:51,467
Speaker 8: You know.

677
00:37:51,627 --> 00:37:54,307
Speaker 2: That's the other point of this is, like, I mean, honestly,

678
00:37:54,347 --> 00:37:56,427
Speaker 2: would you want it? What do you want the job?

679
00:37:58,107 --> 00:38:01,427
Speaker 5: But you know, like like idiot people around him that

680
00:38:02,187 --> 00:38:05,947
Speaker 5: that would be part of the media plan and you know,

681
00:38:06,587 --> 00:38:10,067
Speaker 5: re educated so to speak. It had the support around them.

682
00:38:10,067 --> 00:38:13,067
Speaker 5: But I personally think, you know, you want someone that's

683
00:38:13,107 --> 00:38:15,347
Speaker 5: got the passion, that's got the love of the sport

684
00:38:16,187 --> 00:38:19,547
Speaker 5: and and understands the highest points and the lowest points

685
00:38:19,587 --> 00:38:21,907
Speaker 5: of the sport. And I think that's bang on the

686
00:38:21,987 --> 00:38:22,987
Speaker 5: money with someone like JK.

687
00:38:23,307 --> 00:38:26,707
Speaker 2: He absolutely ticks those boxes out without question, mate, Yeah,

688
00:38:26,747 --> 00:38:30,347
Speaker 2: without question. And that's and that's that's I guess, that's

689
00:38:30,427 --> 00:38:32,987
Speaker 2: I guess you know, maybe maybe the best idea is

690
00:38:33,067 --> 00:38:36,107
Speaker 2: to find that first and then try and learn the

691
00:38:36,187 --> 00:38:39,227
Speaker 2: other stuff, because you can't really teach the passion, can you.

692
00:38:39,547 --> 00:38:42,227
Speaker 2: You can't teach the rugby experience unless you've had the

693
00:38:42,347 --> 00:38:43,707
Speaker 2: rugby experience.

694
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Speaker 5: Undred percent. You know, you've had to be there at

695
00:38:47,587 --> 00:38:49,067
Speaker 5: the bottom of the game. You have to be there

696
00:38:49,067 --> 00:38:51,227
Speaker 5: at the top of the game and you're never going

697
00:38:51,267 --> 00:38:53,387
Speaker 5: to be at the top of the game your entire career,

698
00:38:53,627 --> 00:38:56,547
Speaker 5: you know. And we all saw it all our arts.

699
00:38:56,627 --> 00:39:01,507
Speaker 5: Fow when JK fumbled that ball, and you look at

700
00:39:01,547 --> 00:39:04,147
Speaker 5: the way he hung his head so low, you know.

701
00:39:04,427 --> 00:39:07,547
Speaker 5: But hey, end of the day, he dug himself out

702
00:39:07,587 --> 00:39:07,947
Speaker 5: of a hole.

703
00:39:08,347 --> 00:39:10,507
Speaker 6: And that's I think that's what you need as a leader.

704
00:39:11,587 --> 00:39:14,267
Speaker 2: Good points well, Mike Erin. Thanks Mike good suggestion. I

705
00:39:14,347 --> 00:39:16,707
Speaker 2: wonder whether he's kean. I appreciate your call. High Tom.

706
00:39:18,187 --> 00:39:19,227
Speaker 12: Go good.

707
00:39:20,547 --> 00:39:23,027
Speaker 13: Hey, look if you looked at New Zealand rugby and

708
00:39:23,307 --> 00:39:25,827
Speaker 13: pointed to the reasons for our success in the past,

709
00:39:26,147 --> 00:39:28,427
Speaker 13: and I think we're going to have more difficulties the future.

710
00:39:28,587 --> 00:39:32,507
Speaker 13: We had a comparative advantage against other countries that actually

711
00:39:32,507 --> 00:39:34,427
Speaker 13: even have more playing numbers than us, like England and

712
00:39:34,467 --> 00:39:37,467
Speaker 13: South Africa and France. Even Japan is more rigid players

713
00:39:37,467 --> 00:39:40,907
Speaker 13: than us, and I'm speaking from coaching over there and

714
00:39:41,027 --> 00:39:43,987
Speaker 13: coaching versus in rugby and now involved another code. Our

715
00:39:44,027 --> 00:39:46,667
Speaker 13: comparative advantage was the way we played the game at

716
00:39:46,667 --> 00:39:49,827
Speaker 13: the LAYA ranks and pretty good coaching at LAA ranks

717
00:39:49,827 --> 00:39:53,107
Speaker 13: A bit other countries often not always great, but better

718
00:39:53,147 --> 00:39:57,187
Speaker 13: than other places I've seen, but our comparative advantage is

719
00:39:57,227 --> 00:39:59,387
Speaker 13: actually being eroded. And I'm not quite sure what the

720
00:39:59,427 --> 00:40:02,827
Speaker 13: answers are because we're facing massive challenges around injury issues,

721
00:40:03,667 --> 00:40:07,467
Speaker 13: challenge around having pathways because past ways to provide opportunities

722
00:40:07,507 --> 00:40:09,507
Speaker 13: for players, but they also drive players out of the

723
00:40:09,547 --> 00:40:12,947
Speaker 13: game if they don't see a pathway or if they

724
00:40:13,067 --> 00:40:16,027
Speaker 13: just haven't yet matured to be a contender for a pathway.

725
00:40:16,107 --> 00:40:17,747
Speaker 13: So that really applies to a lot of the Franks,

726
00:40:17,747 --> 00:40:21,187
Speaker 13: a lot of parking up boys and a black last

727
00:40:21,267 --> 00:40:23,707
Speaker 13: blackman coach. How do you have pathways and provide opportunity

728
00:40:23,907 --> 00:40:25,707
Speaker 13: without discouraging people as well?

729
00:40:25,987 --> 00:40:27,987
Speaker 4: And he had no answer actually at the time.

730
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Speaker 13: But the other big thing we face, I've dropped into

731
00:40:30,307 --> 00:40:33,707
Speaker 13: another code because my boys will play the round ball

732
00:40:33,787 --> 00:40:39,587
Speaker 13: game and it's very interesting coming into that and now

733
00:40:39,747 --> 00:40:40,827
Speaker 13: helping with a club.

734
00:40:42,227 --> 00:40:42,427
Speaker 10: In that.

735
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Speaker 13: I don't think rugby has the head around about what

736
00:40:45,307 --> 00:40:47,507
Speaker 13: even football is trundling along doing in this country. And

737
00:40:47,547 --> 00:40:49,867
Speaker 13: I had an idea because you've got clubs like cash

738
00:40:49,947 --> 00:40:52,387
Speaker 13: Check and Croster that have twelve hundred members.

739
00:40:52,547 --> 00:40:53,987
Speaker 2: Yeah, time I have to go, man. I wish you

740
00:40:54,027 --> 00:40:55,187
Speaker 2: could talk to them for longer. But I've got to

741
00:40:55,187 --> 00:40:57,107
Speaker 2: get a breakaway. Let's search out again soon. It's seven

742
00:40:57,147 --> 00:40:58,907
Speaker 2: to one News Talks. Be okay. Here's a list of

743
00:40:58,987 --> 00:41:01,427
Speaker 2: texts that have come through with suggestions for the new CEO.

744
00:41:01,547 --> 00:41:05,147
Speaker 2: Chris Simpson, ex New Zeland basketball captain, now a successful businessman.

745
00:41:05,507 --> 00:41:08,947
Speaker 2: Rob Nickel from the Association. Martin Snedden's name is here,

746
00:41:09,307 --> 00:41:11,667
Speaker 2: Conrad Smith. He's a lawyer as well, isn't it Yes

747
00:41:11,707 --> 00:41:13,947
Speaker 2: he is and a very very smart man. And Richie

748
00:41:14,027 --> 00:41:17,107
Speaker 2: McCaw for CEO, says this one he's a winner all round.

749
00:41:17,907 --> 00:41:19,387
Speaker 2: I guess we wait and see. Thanks for all your

750
00:41:19,467 --> 00:41:22,507
Speaker 2: calls and feedback. One o'clock News next, and then the

751
00:41:22,587 --> 00:41:24,427
Speaker 2: Battle for the Formula One Championship.

752
00:41:26,147 --> 00:41:28,987
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

753
00:41:29,467 --> 00:41:33,347
Speaker 1: and after fields. It's all on James Sport with Jason

754
00:41:33,427 --> 00:41:37,707
Speaker 1: Paine on your home of Sport in New York.

755
00:41:37,827 --> 00:41:40,827
Speaker 2: B one seven. Welcome into weekend Sport on News Talks.

756
00:41:40,867 --> 00:41:42,947
Speaker 2: Heb I'm Jason Pine, Andy McDonald running the coutor we

757
00:41:43,027 --> 00:41:44,547
Speaker 2: had till three Mus on text?

758
00:41:44,547 --> 00:41:44,747
Speaker 8: Pine?

759
00:41:44,747 --> 00:41:48,427
Speaker 2: Are you going to talk about this new teenage running sensation?

760
00:41:49,187 --> 00:41:51,027
Speaker 2: He's incredible, He is incredible.

761
00:41:51,267 --> 00:41:51,427
Speaker 5: Mus.

762
00:41:51,907 --> 00:41:54,947
Speaker 2: His name is Sam Ruth. In the space of two days,

763
00:41:55,747 --> 00:41:59,027
Speaker 2: he has broken both the fifteen hundred meter and eight

764
00:41:59,147 --> 00:42:02,907
Speaker 2: hundred meter records at the New Zealand Secondary School Champs.

765
00:42:03,467 --> 00:42:06,267
Speaker 2: The fifteen hundred meter record had stood for thirty nine

766
00:42:06,587 --> 00:42:09,867
Speaker 2: years and he beat it in the heats yesterday by

767
00:42:10,027 --> 00:42:13,747
Speaker 2: eight seconds eight seconds, and then this morning in the

768
00:42:14,107 --> 00:42:17,827
Speaker 2: final of the eight hundred meters, he broke a fourteen

769
00:42:17,947 --> 00:42:21,987
Speaker 2: year old record by nearly four seconds over eight hundred meters.

770
00:42:22,507 --> 00:42:27,307
Speaker 2: These are massive margins, enormous margins. He runs the fifteen

771
00:42:27,427 --> 00:42:29,547
Speaker 2: hundred meter final and just under an hour from now.

772
00:42:29,707 --> 00:42:32,587
Speaker 2: Sam Ruth's gonna chat to his dad Ben, who was

773
00:42:32,747 --> 00:42:37,227
Speaker 2: himself a very very good elite middle distance runner. Must

774
00:42:37,267 --> 00:42:39,787
Speaker 2: be hard, ah, you know, watching your son but also

775
00:42:39,947 --> 00:42:44,787
Speaker 2: watching this incredible runner. So yes, mass to answer your question,

776
00:42:44,907 --> 00:42:47,987
Speaker 2: Yes we are. Next hour, was going to break down

777
00:42:47,987 --> 00:42:51,187
Speaker 2: the derby and talk some black Apps cricket. Next hour

778
00:42:51,227 --> 00:42:53,667
Speaker 2: to Formula one shortly, just gonna update you on the Gulf.

779
00:42:54,067 --> 00:42:56,467
Speaker 2: He heard Nathan in our Sports news talking about Daniel Hillyer.

780
00:42:56,547 --> 00:42:59,707
Speaker 2: He's underway in around half an hour or so from now.

781
00:42:59,747 --> 00:43:02,307
Speaker 2: He's in a TYPEH for sixth the Australian Open at

782
00:43:02,387 --> 00:43:05,347
Speaker 2: ten under. Ryan Fox is underway in his fourth round

783
00:43:06,387 --> 00:43:08,547
Speaker 2: and path through two holes to remain six under in

784
00:43:08,587 --> 00:43:11,747
Speaker 2: a tie for sixteenth. Nick Vogue even path through seven

785
00:43:11,787 --> 00:43:14,707
Speaker 2: holes to under for the tournament tied thirty ninth. Tyler

786
00:43:14,787 --> 00:43:17,467
Speaker 2: Hodge won over throughout hole eight holes one over one

787
00:43:17,547 --> 00:43:20,387
Speaker 2: under for the tournament tied forty fifth, and Kerry Mountcastle

788
00:43:20,467 --> 00:43:23,227
Speaker 2: the other key. We even path through ten holes even

789
00:43:23,267 --> 00:43:26,747
Speaker 2: part of the tournament tied fifty first. We'll get close

790
00:43:26,827 --> 00:43:30,907
Speaker 2: eyes on Daniel Hilea and Ryan Fox in particular as

791
00:43:30,987 --> 00:43:36,907
Speaker 2: the afternoon progresses at the Australian Open one nine. A

792
00:43:37,067 --> 00:43:40,867
Speaker 2: thrilling climax is in store at the season ending Formula

793
00:43:40,947 --> 00:43:45,227
Speaker 2: one Grand Prix in Abu Dhabi. After qualifying earlier today.

794
00:43:45,347 --> 00:43:48,507
Speaker 14: Charlotte clad gets the third Charlotte Clan moves the third position.

795
00:43:48,787 --> 00:43:51,987
Speaker 14: Huge pressure on these corners with the McLaren drivers over

796
00:43:52,067 --> 00:43:55,507
Speaker 14: the line for Pastree, who finds himself with the fastest

797
00:43:55,547 --> 00:43:59,187
Speaker 14: final sector. He gets into second position with his best time.

798
00:43:59,427 --> 00:44:00,947
Speaker 2: What can Lindo Norris do?

799
00:44:01,587 --> 00:44:03,467
Speaker 14: Huge moments in the World Championship.

800
00:44:03,667 --> 00:44:05,267
Speaker 2: Norris gets to second place.

801
00:44:05,507 --> 00:44:08,507
Speaker 14: He improves to the front row max for Stappen though

802
00:44:08,787 --> 00:44:12,987
Speaker 14: on run number two on fire again on pole position

803
00:44:13,187 --> 00:44:16,827
Speaker 14: again and the McLarens can't deny him. But George Russell's

804
00:44:16,867 --> 00:44:19,227
Speaker 14: nearly dropped it out of the final corner. He's in

805
00:44:19,427 --> 00:44:22,867
Speaker 14: fourth place. He gave it everything and our top three

806
00:44:23,187 --> 00:44:26,947
Speaker 14: contenders for the title are in the top three positions

807
00:44:27,267 --> 00:44:30,867
Speaker 14: on the grid. Max for Stappen, with his eighth pole

808
00:44:31,267 --> 00:44:34,707
Speaker 14: of the year, he is the driver the McLarens will

809
00:44:34,787 --> 00:44:37,427
Speaker 14: go racing for the win in Abu Dabby.

810
00:44:37,747 --> 00:44:40,107
Speaker 2: He's lit it up in Abu Dabby.

811
00:44:40,227 --> 00:44:43,027
Speaker 14: He's taken pole for the final Grand.

812
00:44:42,787 --> 00:44:45,027
Speaker 2: Prix of the season. There you go, Max for Stappen

813
00:44:45,227 --> 00:44:50,067
Speaker 2: pole position. He's qualified fastest ahead of title rival Lando Norris,

814
00:44:50,427 --> 00:44:54,987
Speaker 2: his McLaren teammate and fellow contender Oscar Pastree. Third on

815
00:44:55,027 --> 00:44:58,867
Speaker 2: the grid. Now, Norris leads for Steppen by twelve points

816
00:44:58,947 --> 00:45:01,747
Speaker 2: going into the final race of the season. Oscar Pastre

817
00:45:01,907 --> 00:45:05,107
Speaker 2: is a further four points behind. What that means, in

818
00:45:05,427 --> 00:45:09,507
Speaker 2: very very sim terms, is that Norris will be champion

819
00:45:10,067 --> 00:45:13,787
Speaker 2: if he finishes on the podium, regardless of what help

820
00:45:13,947 --> 00:45:18,307
Speaker 2: happens elsewhere. So Lando Norris just has to finish in

821
00:45:18,387 --> 00:45:21,907
Speaker 2: the top three. Max for Stapan would win what would

822
00:45:21,907 --> 00:45:26,307
Speaker 2: be a fifth consecutive driver's title if he wins the race,

823
00:45:26,987 --> 00:45:31,187
Speaker 2: and Lando Norris is fourth or lower. Liam Lawson's qualified

824
00:45:31,267 --> 00:45:36,267
Speaker 2: thirteenth teammate Isaac Hadjar, finishing four spots ahead in ninth position.

825
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Speaker 2: Let's bring an award winning Formula One journalist, broadcaster and

826
00:45:40,027 --> 00:45:43,827
Speaker 2: former general manager with Williams and Ferrari. Peter wins up. Peter,

827
00:45:43,947 --> 00:45:47,107
Speaker 2: appreciate your time and expertise. This afternoon, Lando Norris is

828
00:45:47,187 --> 00:45:50,027
Speaker 2: to say only has to finish on the podium to

829
00:45:50,147 --> 00:45:54,347
Speaker 2: claim his first ever drivers championship from second on the grid.

830
00:45:55,187 --> 00:45:59,907
Speaker 2: How likely is that, Well, it's pretty likely.

831
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Speaker 8: But you know, I'm sure you follow a lot of sport.

832
00:46:02,467 --> 00:46:05,787
Speaker 15: We all watch sport, and it's not easy actually trying

833
00:46:05,867 --> 00:46:08,547
Speaker 15: not to win and instead just trying to finish third.

834
00:46:08,667 --> 00:46:09,787
Speaker 8: That's not an easy thing to do.

835
00:46:10,387 --> 00:46:15,307
Speaker 15: So and Lando's a relatively sensitive emotional guy and he

836
00:46:15,387 --> 00:46:18,227
Speaker 15: does get a bit flustered sometimes, and I suspect that's

837
00:46:18,307 --> 00:46:21,827
Speaker 15: going to be the weakest part of his day on Sunday,

838
00:46:22,147 --> 00:46:24,987
Speaker 15: is actually working out how to be a sure third

839
00:46:25,507 --> 00:46:26,467
Speaker 15: without actually blowing it.

840
00:46:26,547 --> 00:46:27,307
Speaker 8: If you see what I mean.

841
00:46:27,347 --> 00:46:29,307
Speaker 15: You know, it's a bit like when you're in a

842
00:46:29,347 --> 00:46:32,227
Speaker 15: tennis match when one of the players goes off for

843
00:46:32,627 --> 00:46:35,307
Speaker 15: you know, an injury timeout and comes back with bandages

844
00:46:35,347 --> 00:46:37,387
Speaker 15: all over his leg. The other guy always thinks, oh yeah,

845
00:46:37,387 --> 00:46:40,107
Speaker 15: I've got this match one, and inevitably they end up

846
00:46:40,147 --> 00:46:42,947
Speaker 15: losing the match. You know, it's sport's a funny thing.

847
00:46:42,947 --> 00:46:44,787
Speaker 15: If you don't try and win all the time, it

848
00:46:45,387 --> 00:46:48,227
Speaker 15: bites you back sometimes. So you know, it only takes

849
00:46:48,347 --> 00:46:51,707
Speaker 15: Max to get the lead and then drive relatively slowly

850
00:46:51,787 --> 00:46:53,187
Speaker 15: in the front of the race, just enough to stay

851
00:46:53,187 --> 00:46:56,067
Speaker 15: in front, bunch the field up to the point where

852
00:46:56,627 --> 00:46:58,907
Speaker 15: maybe oscars in front of Lando. At this point, maybe

853
00:46:58,947 --> 00:47:01,987
Speaker 15: the McLaren tires start to suffer because they're in traffic

854
00:47:02,067 --> 00:47:04,347
Speaker 15: and there's turbulence and they maybe have to come into

855
00:47:04,387 --> 00:47:06,427
Speaker 15: the pits a little bit earlier than they plan, and

856
00:47:06,787 --> 00:47:07,147
Speaker 15: when they.

857
00:47:07,147 --> 00:47:08,947
Speaker 8: Come out, they're in a bit of traffic which holds

858
00:47:08,987 --> 00:47:09,267
Speaker 8: them up.

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00:47:09,667 --> 00:47:09,987
Speaker 10: You know that.

860
00:47:10,267 --> 00:47:11,947
Speaker 15: You know, you've got a George Russell and there a

861
00:47:12,107 --> 00:47:15,387
Speaker 15: Charlotte Clerk, You've got a few other jokers in the pack,

862
00:47:15,547 --> 00:47:18,627
Speaker 15: so you know it's possible. But in theory it should

863
00:47:18,627 --> 00:47:22,587
Speaker 15: be an easy win for Lando. It should be in italics.

864
00:47:22,747 --> 00:47:26,187
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a great inside and the first answer. But

865
00:47:26,587 --> 00:47:30,387
Speaker 2: I'm interested about McLaren. Will Pistree and Norris be told

866
00:47:30,907 --> 00:47:34,227
Speaker 2: to work together to ensure Norris gets on the podium.

867
00:47:37,347 --> 00:47:39,507
Speaker 8: Well, that's a very good question, isn't it. I'm sure.

868
00:47:40,027 --> 00:47:42,347
Speaker 15: I'm sure Oscar's still remembering what happened in the first

869
00:47:42,387 --> 00:47:45,267
Speaker 15: corner in Singapore when Lando came down inside him and

870
00:47:45,267 --> 00:47:48,227
Speaker 15: almost took him out, and things have not really been

871
00:47:48,267 --> 00:47:50,147
Speaker 15: the same since the year. They shake hands in front

872
00:47:50,147 --> 00:47:52,027
Speaker 15: of the cameras and they smile as they have to

873
00:47:52,147 --> 00:47:54,787
Speaker 15: because they're highly paid professionals, But at the end of

874
00:47:54,827 --> 00:47:56,507
Speaker 15: the day, I don't think there's much love lost there

875
00:47:56,507 --> 00:47:58,667
Speaker 15: in terms of from Oscar's side of the garage, that's

876
00:47:58,707 --> 00:47:59,027
Speaker 15: for sure.

877
00:47:59,547 --> 00:47:59,907
Speaker 8: I think.

878
00:48:00,187 --> 00:48:00,387
Speaker 16: Yeah.

879
00:48:00,387 --> 00:48:02,187
Speaker 8: I mean, if it's Oscar, you've.

880
00:48:02,067 --> 00:48:04,227
Speaker 15: Got no chance to win the championship, this is your

881
00:48:04,347 --> 00:48:07,107
Speaker 15: move to help Lando secure it now, to stop red

882
00:48:07,147 --> 00:48:08,307
Speaker 15: Bull move over.

883
00:48:08,427 --> 00:48:08,707
Speaker 8: Please.

884
00:48:09,467 --> 00:48:11,747
Speaker 15: Yeah, I can see that happening, but it's not going

885
00:48:11,827 --> 00:48:13,827
Speaker 15: to happen if Oscar's got any.

886
00:48:13,787 --> 00:48:16,827
Speaker 8: Chance still of potentially winning the championship himself.

887
00:48:16,827 --> 00:48:20,867
Speaker 15: I mean, imagine if Oscar's second behind Max and Lando's

888
00:48:20,987 --> 00:48:25,907
Speaker 15: say fifth, what would happen then when McLaren might say

889
00:48:25,947 --> 00:48:28,387
Speaker 15: to Oscar, Oscar, will you drop back to sixth place

890
00:48:28,507 --> 00:48:32,467
Speaker 15: to give P four to Lando, but Oscar's going to say, well,

891
00:48:32,507 --> 00:48:34,347
Speaker 15: I'm not going to give up my chance of winning

892
00:48:34,467 --> 00:48:36,907
Speaker 15: because Max might run out of fuel on the last lap.

893
00:48:36,987 --> 00:48:40,147
Speaker 8: Anything could happen, So you know, it's McClaren got themselves

894
00:48:40,187 --> 00:48:41,147
Speaker 8: in a difficult.

895
00:48:40,787 --> 00:48:43,707
Speaker 15: Situation really all year by running these two really quick

896
00:48:43,747 --> 00:48:46,667
Speaker 15: guys and having a great car and not really having

897
00:48:46,667 --> 00:48:49,347
Speaker 15: any understanding of how to keep the piece between them.

898
00:48:49,347 --> 00:48:51,907
Speaker 15: And it's you can't blame the drivers because they just

899
00:48:51,987 --> 00:48:53,267
Speaker 15: want to be as quick as they can and they

900
00:48:53,307 --> 00:48:56,907
Speaker 15: want to win the championship quite obviously, so it's not easy,

901
00:48:57,027 --> 00:49:00,347
Speaker 15: you know. And McLaren, interestingly, they've got two new sets

902
00:49:00,387 --> 00:49:02,547
Speaker 15: of hard tires going into the race, so the only

903
00:49:02,627 --> 00:49:05,347
Speaker 15: team that's sort of focused on having the hard tires

904
00:49:05,427 --> 00:49:08,707
Speaker 15: ready two new sets, which means that's where the focus is.

905
00:49:09,507 --> 00:49:11,747
Speaker 15: But the hard tire is not really a quick tire,

906
00:49:11,947 --> 00:49:14,267
Speaker 15: and I think they've done that because they just want

907
00:49:14,307 --> 00:49:17,467
Speaker 15: to have a really conservative approach to the race. In case,

908
00:49:17,587 --> 00:49:20,027
Speaker 15: for example, there's a safety car early on and on

909
00:49:20,107 --> 00:49:22,347
Speaker 15: this occasion the penny drops and they do actually come

910
00:49:22,387 --> 00:49:24,787
Speaker 15: in and change tires, and then they got a hard

911
00:49:24,867 --> 00:49:26,547
Speaker 15: tire that could take them through to the rest of

912
00:49:26,547 --> 00:49:28,147
Speaker 15: the race without a pit stop or something like that.

913
00:49:28,227 --> 00:49:30,187
Speaker 15: But that's a very conservative way of going into a

914
00:49:30,227 --> 00:49:35,107
Speaker 15: Grand Prix weekend, or indeed a Saturday Sunday weekend. Everybody

915
00:49:35,107 --> 00:49:36,987
Speaker 15: else has got two new sets of mediums, which is

916
00:49:37,027 --> 00:49:40,787
Speaker 15: the quicker tire, So already McLaren looking a little bit

917
00:49:41,027 --> 00:49:44,027
Speaker 15: over conservative. I think they've I don't think Lando gave

918
00:49:44,027 --> 00:49:45,827
Speaker 15: it one hundred percent today. I think he was there

919
00:49:45,947 --> 00:49:48,187
Speaker 15: just to make sure that he was in the top three,

920
00:49:49,307 --> 00:49:52,507
Speaker 15: and I think that's okay in qualifying for one lap.

921
00:49:53,027 --> 00:49:54,987
Speaker 8: But in the race, you know, it's a different thing.

922
00:49:55,187 --> 00:49:56,867
Speaker 8: So many other factors can come into play.

923
00:49:57,787 --> 00:49:59,907
Speaker 2: You alluded to the tactics that next the step and

924
00:49:59,987 --> 00:50:03,827
Speaker 2: might use earlier, bunching the field up, not necessarily just

925
00:50:04,147 --> 00:50:07,227
Speaker 2: shooting away and winning it from from you know, from

926
00:50:07,307 --> 00:50:09,707
Speaker 2: grid to chick and flag. Can you just unpack for

927
00:50:09,747 --> 00:50:12,347
Speaker 2: a minute how he might do that, how he how

928
00:50:12,427 --> 00:50:14,067
Speaker 2: he can bunch the field behind him.

929
00:50:15,387 --> 00:50:18,187
Speaker 8: Oh, it's not difficult to go. I mean Max is

930
00:50:18,227 --> 00:50:20,947
Speaker 8: the best guy in the world at what we call

931
00:50:21,067 --> 00:50:22,467
Speaker 8: managing the tires.

932
00:50:22,467 --> 00:50:24,787
Speaker 15: And still being very quick on the overall lap, and

933
00:50:24,907 --> 00:50:28,227
Speaker 15: so Max every race and even doing a lot of

934
00:50:28,267 --> 00:50:31,747
Speaker 15: the practice sessions. Is not taking every kink on the

935
00:50:32,147 --> 00:50:35,627
Speaker 15: on the circuit flat, is not taking every quick corner flat.

936
00:50:35,667 --> 00:50:38,187
Speaker 15: He's maybe backing off a little bit just to look

937
00:50:38,227 --> 00:50:40,707
Speaker 15: after the tires, keep the tire temperatures down because the

938
00:50:40,787 --> 00:50:43,627
Speaker 15: perellis are always on the edge, and that's something he

939
00:50:43,747 --> 00:50:46,387
Speaker 15: does incredibly well. So in the race, if what he

940
00:50:46,467 --> 00:50:48,827
Speaker 15: wants to do is just drive as slowly as possible

941
00:50:48,867 --> 00:50:52,067
Speaker 15: without anybody overtaking him, he'll be be quick in a

942
00:50:52,067 --> 00:50:53,707
Speaker 15: straight line, and the Red Bull does have a slight

943
00:50:53,787 --> 00:50:56,467
Speaker 15: speed advantage in a straight line over the McLarens. And

944
00:50:56,547 --> 00:50:58,667
Speaker 15: then he'll start lifting the throttle on some of the

945
00:50:58,747 --> 00:51:02,507
Speaker 15: corners where it's impossible to overtake, and just be in it.

946
00:51:02,947 --> 00:51:05,227
Speaker 15: From his perspective, he's looking after the tires, which is

947
00:51:05,227 --> 00:51:07,547
Speaker 15: a good thing, and from an the perspective, he's keeping

948
00:51:07,667 --> 00:51:09,267
Speaker 15: the you know, the field bunched up behind him.

949
00:51:09,307 --> 00:51:10,667
Speaker 8: It's not a difficult thing to do at all.

950
00:51:11,467 --> 00:51:14,067
Speaker 2: There's the second red ball driver, even though he's departing.

951
00:51:14,107 --> 00:51:16,387
Speaker 2: Could Yuki Sonoda play a role here or see too

952
00:51:16,427 --> 00:51:17,707
Speaker 2: far back at tenth on the grid?

953
00:51:20,267 --> 00:51:23,907
Speaker 8: Well he could, I mean, says Joperez.

954
00:51:23,907 --> 00:51:25,667
Speaker 15: Played a bit of a role in twenty twenty one

955
00:51:25,747 --> 00:51:29,027
Speaker 15: when he held up Lewis really comprehensively.

956
00:51:30,227 --> 00:51:32,067
Speaker 8: In a pit stop situation.

957
00:51:32,347 --> 00:51:34,787
Speaker 15: So yeah, I mean, if Lando came out of a

958
00:51:34,827 --> 00:51:38,227
Speaker 15: pit stop behind and he was behind Yuki, he has

959
00:51:38,307 --> 00:51:41,467
Speaker 15: yet to stop in track position and Yuki's tenth, he's

960
00:51:41,507 --> 00:51:43,507
Speaker 15: not you know, he's not fourteenth, He's tenth, which is

961
00:51:43,587 --> 00:51:47,707
Speaker 15: not bad, then Yuki could potentially make it a bit difficult.

962
00:51:48,027 --> 00:51:51,867
Speaker 15: The rules now for impeding another driver are really really tough,

963
00:51:52,027 --> 00:51:53,987
Speaker 15: but doesn't really matter in the last race. I mean,

964
00:51:54,027 --> 00:51:55,427
Speaker 15: they give Yuki a penalty.

965
00:51:55,467 --> 00:51:57,107
Speaker 6: I mean that's it.

966
00:51:57,267 --> 00:52:01,267
Speaker 2: No, No, you're right. How incredible, Peter, is it that

967
00:52:01,347 --> 00:52:04,987
Speaker 2: we're even having this conversation given how far behind Max

968
00:52:05,027 --> 00:52:07,107
Speaker 2: the step and was at one point in the season.

969
00:52:08,867 --> 00:52:10,547
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think that's you know, that's one way of

970
00:52:10,587 --> 00:52:12,907
Speaker 15: looking at it, which is the half last fall way.

971
00:52:13,067 --> 00:52:16,067
Speaker 15: You know, this, this sort of comeback has never been achieved,

972
00:52:16,507 --> 00:52:19,307
Speaker 15: certainly in Formula one, not really in any form of motorsport,

973
00:52:19,387 --> 00:52:21,587
Speaker 15: and probably not in many other forms of sport at

974
00:52:21,627 --> 00:52:22,427
Speaker 15: all in general.

975
00:52:22,467 --> 00:52:23,987
Speaker 8: I mean, where he was and where he is now

976
00:52:24,187 --> 00:52:24,787
Speaker 8: is just amazing.

977
00:52:25,267 --> 00:52:27,227
Speaker 15: On the other side of the coin, you could say

978
00:52:28,067 --> 00:52:29,907
Speaker 15: where have Red Bull been all year? I mean, here

979
00:52:29,947 --> 00:52:31,667
Speaker 15: they are at the last race of the season. They

980
00:52:31,707 --> 00:52:34,187
Speaker 15: haven't made any changes to the car for the last

981
00:52:34,267 --> 00:52:37,547
Speaker 15: three or four races, and yet quite patently they have

982
00:52:37,627 --> 00:52:40,227
Speaker 15: a very very good racing car in Aberdabi.

983
00:52:40,587 --> 00:52:44,227
Speaker 8: Not yet. Okay, maybe Lando wasn't one hundred percent flat out,

984
00:52:44,307 --> 00:52:46,907
Speaker 8: but the Red Bull's just there or thereabouts, and it

985
00:52:46,987 --> 00:52:48,587
Speaker 8: makes you say, well, where have they been them for

986
00:52:48,707 --> 00:52:50,667
Speaker 8: half the year? I mean there were some races.

987
00:52:50,427 --> 00:52:53,347
Speaker 15: Where Max could barely get out of Q two that's

988
00:52:53,507 --> 00:52:56,107
Speaker 15: the middle qualifying session, and yet here he is on

989
00:52:56,227 --> 00:52:58,227
Speaker 15: the pole with two laps that would have put him

990
00:52:58,227 --> 00:53:00,867
Speaker 15: on the pole, and in the middle session Q two

991
00:53:01,627 --> 00:53:05,307
Speaker 15: he was right up there on a used set of piers.

992
00:53:05,387 --> 00:53:06,667
Speaker 8: I mean, unbelievably quick.

993
00:53:06,907 --> 00:53:08,427
Speaker 15: So you just have to say, what have Red Bull

994
00:53:08,507 --> 00:53:11,187
Speaker 15: been doing really to let you know, to drop the

995
00:53:11,227 --> 00:53:12,667
Speaker 15: ball as much as they have this year.

996
00:53:12,707 --> 00:53:13,947
Speaker 8: That's the way I look at it, really.

997
00:53:14,107 --> 00:53:16,347
Speaker 15: I mean if they hadn't, Max would have been world

998
00:53:16,427 --> 00:53:18,347
Speaker 15: champion easy in a car as good as it is

999
00:53:18,427 --> 00:53:18,947
Speaker 15: this weekend.

1000
00:53:19,867 --> 00:53:22,027
Speaker 2: Isaac Kadjar will move into the second Red Ball seat

1001
00:53:22,147 --> 00:53:25,467
Speaker 2: next year. I mean, Yuki Sonoda hasn't been able to

1002
00:53:25,547 --> 00:53:28,827
Speaker 2: drive that car to anywhere close to what Red Bull

1003
00:53:28,867 --> 00:53:31,747
Speaker 2: were after. What indication is there, Peter, that Isaac Hadjar

1004
00:53:31,867 --> 00:53:32,627
Speaker 2: will be able to.

1005
00:53:34,947 --> 00:53:38,387
Speaker 15: I think Isak is a is a much more refined

1006
00:53:38,467 --> 00:53:41,507
Speaker 15: driver than Yuki Sonoda. Yuki's got only one way of

1007
00:53:41,587 --> 00:53:44,867
Speaker 15: driving a car, which is really aggressive with the steering,

1008
00:53:44,947 --> 00:53:46,507
Speaker 15: brakes and throttle, lots.

1009
00:53:46,307 --> 00:53:49,987
Speaker 8: Of car control, very brave, and that's about it.

1010
00:53:50,227 --> 00:53:50,347
Speaker 17: You know.

1011
00:53:50,427 --> 00:53:52,307
Speaker 15: He doesn't really hasn't really got any better over the

1012
00:53:52,387 --> 00:53:55,227
Speaker 15: last three or four years. It's quick, you know, when

1013
00:53:55,267 --> 00:53:57,267
Speaker 15: he's got a good set of tires and the car's balance,

1014
00:53:57,347 --> 00:54:00,387
Speaker 15: but when the car's not in that state, he's not

1015
00:54:00,547 --> 00:54:02,147
Speaker 15: really quick. He can't get the best from it. It

1016
00:54:02,187 --> 00:54:05,147
Speaker 15: makes too many mistakes. Izak is a very different sort

1017
00:54:05,187 --> 00:54:08,187
Speaker 15: of driver. He's got a much better feel, better softer touch.

1018
00:54:08,307 --> 00:54:11,267
Speaker 15: He's more supple with his inputs. He can create a

1019
00:54:11,307 --> 00:54:14,387
Speaker 15: bigger sweet spot around which to operate the car, so

1020
00:54:14,467 --> 00:54:16,747
Speaker 15: he's not susceptible to losing so much time when he does.

1021
00:54:16,787 --> 00:54:18,107
Speaker 8: In every he make the odd mistake.

1022
00:54:18,827 --> 00:54:20,467
Speaker 15: And he's got a very good brain on his head,

1023
00:54:20,547 --> 00:54:24,507
Speaker 15: which head on his shoulders rather, you know, which enables

1024
00:54:24,587 --> 00:54:26,187
Speaker 15: him to learn. He's not afraid to learn and I

1025
00:54:26,227 --> 00:54:28,947
Speaker 15: think alongside Max he'll learn a lot, and it'll probably

1026
00:54:28,947 --> 00:54:31,747
Speaker 15: be in the area of being less emotional and just

1027
00:54:31,867 --> 00:54:34,467
Speaker 15: sort of being a little bit more straightforward in the

1028
00:54:34,467 --> 00:54:37,627
Speaker 15: way he lives his life and just just becoming quieter

1029
00:54:37,787 --> 00:54:40,467
Speaker 15: and calmer. And he's very quick, he's very very good.

1030
00:54:40,987 --> 00:54:43,267
Speaker 15: He's a driver of the stap and milk. I mean,

1031
00:54:43,307 --> 00:54:45,307
Speaker 15: whether he'll ever be as good as Max is another question,

1032
00:54:45,747 --> 00:54:48,987
Speaker 15: but he's definitely on that side of the globe at

1033
00:54:49,027 --> 00:54:49,387
Speaker 15: the moment.

1034
00:54:49,787 --> 00:54:51,387
Speaker 2: And just the word on Liam Lawson has said at

1035
00:54:51,467 --> 00:54:54,147
Speaker 2: racing balls for next year confirmed earlier this week, this

1036
00:54:54,347 --> 00:54:57,147
Speaker 2: was widely expected. I think, what have you seen from

1037
00:54:57,227 --> 00:55:00,347
Speaker 2: him in terms of his improvement this year? In what

1038
00:55:00,387 --> 00:55:02,627
Speaker 2: would you like to see from Liam and twenty twenty six.

1039
00:55:04,467 --> 00:55:05,387
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think he's.

1040
00:55:05,267 --> 00:55:07,947
Speaker 15: Improved a lot in second half of the year in

1041
00:55:08,067 --> 00:55:11,347
Speaker 15: that he hasn't really changed the way he drives. He

1042
00:55:11,507 --> 00:55:14,667
Speaker 15: drives he's a bit sort of smoother, softer version of

1043
00:55:14,707 --> 00:55:15,907
Speaker 15: your key Snoda, I think.

1044
00:55:16,707 --> 00:55:19,827
Speaker 8: And he's never really gravitated towards the.

1045
00:55:19,947 --> 00:55:22,907
Speaker 15: End of the spectrum in which Max and Izak Hajjar

1046
00:55:23,107 --> 00:55:24,187
Speaker 15: and Charlotte Clarks it.

1047
00:55:24,347 --> 00:55:27,387
Speaker 8: But he's I think he's started to come to terms

1048
00:55:27,427 --> 00:55:28,147
Speaker 8: with that, and he's.

1049
00:55:28,027 --> 00:55:30,187
Speaker 15: Starting to get the best from the way he does

1050
00:55:30,387 --> 00:55:34,147
Speaker 15: drive with just more road dust on him, obviously with experience,

1051
00:55:34,707 --> 00:55:37,147
Speaker 15: and also you look at Carlos Science drives in a

1052
00:55:37,227 --> 00:55:39,707
Speaker 15: very similar way to Liam Lawson, and I guess he's

1053
00:55:39,747 --> 00:55:42,147
Speaker 15: probably looking at Carlos and seeing how Carlos has managed

1054
00:55:42,147 --> 00:55:43,067
Speaker 15: to package that now and.

1055
00:55:43,107 --> 00:55:43,627
Speaker 4: Make it work.

1056
00:55:43,707 --> 00:55:46,347
Speaker 15: And yeah, he's making fewer mistakes, He's doing a better

1057
00:55:46,427 --> 00:55:49,067
Speaker 15: job on a consistent basis. He's not as quick as

1058
00:55:49,507 --> 00:55:52,627
Speaker 15: is zak Kja for the reasons I was just talking about.

1059
00:55:53,107 --> 00:55:55,227
Speaker 15: And I think next year he will continue to improve

1060
00:55:55,387 --> 00:55:58,627
Speaker 15: because being the senior driver, which he obviously will be

1061
00:55:58,707 --> 00:56:00,667
Speaker 15: at racing balls, I think, well, that will have that

1062
00:56:00,747 --> 00:56:04,387
Speaker 15: will have an effect on his approach to racing, and

1063
00:56:04,467 --> 00:56:08,147
Speaker 15: he'll become more mature and he'll be more circumspect about

1064
00:56:08,187 --> 00:56:10,747
Speaker 15: the way he goes about racing and driving and thinking,

1065
00:56:10,907 --> 00:56:13,307
Speaker 15: and I think he'll I think he'll definitely improve next

1066
00:56:13,427 --> 00:56:16,027
Speaker 15: year and he could end up, you know, in the

1067
00:56:16,387 --> 00:56:20,347
Speaker 15: Carlos Science category. Cabler winning Grand Prix in a good team,

1068
00:56:20,387 --> 00:56:24,107
Speaker 15: in a good car, but not ever able to take

1069
00:56:24,107 --> 00:56:27,667
Speaker 15: it to a Charlotte Clerk or a Lewis Hamilton Lewis

1070
00:56:27,707 --> 00:56:30,867
Speaker 15: at He's peak that is, or a max or possibly

1071
00:56:30,867 --> 00:56:32,067
Speaker 15: even in niezak Hajar.

1072
00:56:32,867 --> 00:56:34,427
Speaker 2: That's all to come. What we do have in the

1073
00:56:34,467 --> 00:56:36,507
Speaker 2: next twenty four hours or soar as are thrilling into

1074
00:56:36,547 --> 00:56:38,787
Speaker 2: this year, is a Grand Prix championship. Peter, You've given

1075
00:56:38,867 --> 00:56:41,187
Speaker 2: us incredible insight. Thank you so much for joining us

1076
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Speaker 2: across New Zealand.

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Speaker 8: Ah, my pleasure, Thank you, Peter.

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Speaker 2: Peter Windsor if one broadcaster and journalist, Yeah, well, I

1079
00:56:49,867 --> 00:56:54,107
Speaker 2: mean terrific, terrific analysis there Formula one fans keen to

1080
00:56:54,147 --> 00:56:57,227
Speaker 2: get yours, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Educate

1081
00:56:57,307 --> 00:56:59,667
Speaker 2: the rest of us who don't quite have the in

1082
00:56:59,747 --> 00:57:02,587
Speaker 2: depth knowledge of Formula one as you perhaps do, and

1083
00:57:02,667 --> 00:57:05,587
Speaker 2: maybe expand on what you heard there from Peter Windsor,

1084
00:57:06,347 --> 00:57:08,187
Speaker 2: because I guess you know, for those of us who

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00:57:08,547 --> 00:57:11,707
Speaker 2: who take a you know, not a deep, deep interest

1086
00:57:11,747 --> 00:57:14,787
Speaker 2: in the sport, but certainly know a passing interest in it.

1087
00:57:15,347 --> 00:57:18,787
Speaker 2: It feels like for Lando Norris, starting second on the

1088
00:57:18,827 --> 00:57:21,867
Speaker 2: grid gives you a great chance to finish in the

1089
00:57:21,947 --> 00:57:29,347
Speaker 2: top three. Surely it's Lando Norris's championship to lose, but

1090
00:57:29,467 --> 00:57:33,787
Speaker 2: holding your position in a sport of minuscule margins must

1091
00:57:33,867 --> 00:57:36,907
Speaker 2: be a lot easier said than done, As you heard

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00:57:36,947 --> 00:57:40,547
Speaker 2: Peter say there, Max Forstappin will probably try to bunch

1093
00:57:40,627 --> 00:57:43,267
Speaker 2: the field behind him. He's got pole he I guess,

1094
00:57:43,347 --> 00:57:45,907
Speaker 2: can control to a certain extent anyway what goes on

1095
00:57:46,547 --> 00:57:50,907
Speaker 2: behind him. Lando Norris has a reputation for being a

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00:57:50,947 --> 00:57:54,427
Speaker 2: bit shaky under pressure. Sometimes he's never been world champion.

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Speaker 2: This is all new, but it must feel close enough

1098
00:57:57,227 --> 00:57:59,067
Speaker 2: for him to touch. What does that do to your mindset?

1099
00:57:59,147 --> 00:58:03,027
Speaker 2: What will happen in this race? Would love your thoughts

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Speaker 2: if one fans could? I Fraser, how are you going good?

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00:58:06,667 --> 00:58:07,227
Speaker 2: Thank you mate?

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Speaker 18: I thought I thought Peter Windsor. I mean, he's obviously

1103
00:58:11,107 --> 00:58:14,387
Speaker 18: a well known you know, he's always on YouTube and

1104
00:58:14,427 --> 00:58:16,507
Speaker 18: I've watched a lot of stuff. But I really think

1105
00:58:16,547 --> 00:58:17,587
Speaker 18: he's got it wrong about Lee.

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00:58:18,107 --> 00:58:21,547
Speaker 6: I think it's slowly not oh we've lost your Fraser.

1107
00:58:21,987 --> 00:58:24,067
Speaker 2: We'll try and get you back. I think you were saying, oh,

1108
00:58:24,147 --> 00:58:25,867
Speaker 2: I think you were disagree and in fact we heard that,

1109
00:58:25,987 --> 00:58:29,507
Speaker 2: but you were disagreeing with Peter Windsor about Liam and

1110
00:58:29,667 --> 00:58:31,907
Speaker 2: the fact that I guess and we'll get you back

1111
00:58:31,947 --> 00:58:34,867
Speaker 2: on and he's just trying to get you reconnected that

1112
00:58:35,427 --> 00:58:38,187
Speaker 2: what Peter was saying about the ceiling for Liam Lawson

1113
00:58:38,267 --> 00:58:40,547
Speaker 2: was perhaps and your view Fraser a bit low, that

1114
00:58:40,667 --> 00:58:43,107
Speaker 2: he actually does have the ability to do better. We'll

1115
00:58:43,147 --> 00:58:46,147
Speaker 2: try hard to get to get Fraser back. If you

1116
00:58:46,267 --> 00:58:48,627
Speaker 2: have some thoughts though on Liam, or perhaps on this race,

1117
00:58:49,787 --> 00:58:51,707
Speaker 2: I would love to hear them. I just want to know,

1118
00:58:52,507 --> 00:58:55,147
Speaker 2: you know, like I say, Lando Norris will wake up

1119
00:58:55,187 --> 00:58:57,027
Speaker 2: over there and think, man, I've got this, I've got this.

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00:58:57,107 --> 00:58:58,667
Speaker 2: All I'm going to do is finish in the top three.

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00:58:59,227 --> 00:59:03,267
Speaker 2: But then if you are focusing on that and trying

1122
00:59:03,627 --> 00:59:05,907
Speaker 2: not necessarily to win the race, but just to not

1123
00:59:06,427 --> 00:59:08,027
Speaker 2: finish outside the top three, that's got to be a

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00:59:08,067 --> 00:59:11,987
Speaker 2: different mindset, doesn't it. Phraser, we got your bag. You

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00:59:12,067 --> 00:59:13,907
Speaker 2: were you were saying, I presume you were saying that

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00:59:14,147 --> 00:59:16,507
Speaker 2: you think you think in your view, Liam's got a

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00:59:16,627 --> 00:59:18,707
Speaker 2: higher ceiling than Peter Windsor thinks he has.

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Speaker 18: I mean, I've known him very very well over the

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00:59:23,307 --> 00:59:26,347
Speaker 18: years he's been involved in carding with effect. I mean,

1130
00:59:26,627 --> 00:59:28,307
Speaker 18: you know, he's one of these kids. He was the

1131
00:59:28,347 --> 00:59:30,787
Speaker 18: first kid that came up and introduced himself on our

1132
00:59:30,907 --> 00:59:33,907
Speaker 18: very first day down at the Mount Wellington track and

1133
00:59:34,147 --> 00:59:38,827
Speaker 18: look he's been He's an incredibly passionate, intelligent driver. Look

1134
00:59:38,867 --> 00:59:41,067
Speaker 18: I know that that you know that that the ceiling

1135
00:59:41,107 --> 00:59:43,547
Speaker 18: in the bar is very high in Formula one full stop.

1136
00:59:44,267 --> 00:59:46,947
Speaker 18: But I mean I've seen him adapt and change. He

1137
00:59:47,107 --> 00:59:49,187
Speaker 18: can get into anything and drive it. I just don't

1138
00:59:49,227 --> 00:59:52,267
Speaker 18: think he's a one trick pony. I think he's had

1139
00:59:52,707 --> 00:59:55,987
Speaker 18: a tough year. He wasn't given the chance that he

1140
00:59:56,107 --> 00:59:59,547
Speaker 18: deserved and red Ball to really get, you know, get

1141
00:59:59,667 --> 01:00:02,347
Speaker 18: the best out of himself in that car, to then

1142
01:00:02,427 --> 01:00:05,027
Speaker 18: get thrown to the other side of the of the

1143
01:00:05,147 --> 01:00:09,387
Speaker 18: racing balls Gara and have to familiarize himself with a

1144
01:00:09,507 --> 01:00:12,307
Speaker 18: new team. And we saw the end of the end

1145
01:00:12,307 --> 01:00:14,827
Speaker 18: of the season where he's really is matching with Hedge

1146
01:00:14,867 --> 01:00:18,827
Speaker 18: are both in pace, qualifying in race. I think I

1147
01:00:18,907 --> 01:00:21,507
Speaker 18: think it's a bit of a tough call on him.

1148
01:00:21,747 --> 01:00:24,027
Speaker 18: And look, I'm gratefully said another year.

1149
01:00:24,867 --> 01:00:27,507
Speaker 2: Be interested on your view on on how it'll be

1150
01:00:27,587 --> 01:00:29,347
Speaker 2: different for Liam next year given the fact that lin

1151
01:00:29,427 --> 01:00:31,747
Speaker 2: Blood will come in, Well he's eighteen years old. So

1152
01:00:32,347 --> 01:00:35,267
Speaker 2: Liam moves into a senior role, almost a mentoring role

1153
01:00:35,307 --> 01:00:37,267
Speaker 2: at Racing Balls. Does that feel like the kind of

1154
01:00:37,387 --> 01:00:39,467
Speaker 2: role that will suit him and allow him to also

1155
01:00:40,027 --> 01:00:41,987
Speaker 2: flourish in that particular capacity.

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Speaker 18: Look, I've seen him in in you know, in race

1157
01:00:48,627 --> 01:00:52,067
Speaker 18: weekends where you know, I guess it's probably going to

1158
01:00:52,067 --> 01:00:54,267
Speaker 18: be a new role to him to some degree. They're

1159
01:00:54,307 --> 01:00:58,947
Speaker 18: both kind of fairly new this year. Whether that I

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01:00:59,067 --> 01:01:02,347
Speaker 18: think that mentoring role is around is a drive you know,

1161
01:01:02,427 --> 01:01:05,067
Speaker 18: like as not a driver coach, but kind of their headspace.

1162
01:01:05,147 --> 01:01:08,347
Speaker 18: And that's for Lind bladd I don't know, the kid

1163
01:01:08,507 --> 01:01:11,507
Speaker 18: is young. He has been. He has kind of been

1164
01:01:11,667 --> 01:01:15,787
Speaker 18: escalated into the seat fairly quickly. But at the same time,

1165
01:01:15,987 --> 01:01:19,107
Speaker 18: Liam Lee. I think where Liam's maturity will come will

1166
01:01:19,147 --> 01:01:21,587
Speaker 18: be very much around his approach to the car, set up,

1167
01:01:22,467 --> 01:01:27,307
Speaker 18: his feedback and data and you know, his approached the

1168
01:01:27,387 --> 01:01:30,547
Speaker 18: race strategy because he's he has he's you know, he's

1169
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Speaker 18: a very intelligent kid. He is an emotional kid. I

1170
01:01:33,907 --> 01:01:36,227
Speaker 18: think his you know, I think he'll be able to

1171
01:01:36,307 --> 01:01:39,827
Speaker 18: offer Lin Bladder a support in terms of that, you know,

1172
01:01:39,907 --> 01:01:42,507
Speaker 18: having been there and you know, understanding the pressures that

1173
01:01:42,627 --> 01:01:46,587
Speaker 18: come with with stepping into an F one seat. But look,

1174
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Speaker 18: I think you know, we'll see how how we respond.

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01:01:49,947 --> 01:01:52,267
Speaker 18: I think he's got a lot on his own plate.

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Speaker 2: Fraser. Great to chet Tim, thanks for calling in. Please

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01:01:55,507 --> 01:01:57,707
Speaker 2: call back any time. To chettyf one, I've loved hearing

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01:01:57,787 --> 01:01:59,347
Speaker 2: from you. Thanks and Dow, I'm glad we've got your

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01:01:59,387 --> 01:02:01,667
Speaker 2: back as well after I probably cut you off at

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01:02:01,707 --> 01:02:04,507
Speaker 2: my end inadvertently that it was probably my fault. Got

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Speaker 2: on your Phraser. Good to hear from you, Daniel High mate,

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Speaker 2: Hey mate, what do you think is going to happen

1183
01:02:11,187 --> 01:02:12,307
Speaker 2: in Abu Dhabi tomorrow?

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01:02:14,107 --> 01:02:17,667
Speaker 19: Well, I'd love to see another Max championship. Unfortunately it'll

1185
01:02:17,827 --> 01:02:19,107
Speaker 19: look like it's Lando.

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01:02:21,227 --> 01:02:23,627
Speaker 2: It feels like it, doesn't it, But hell, will his

1187
01:02:23,787 --> 01:02:27,067
Speaker 2: mindset be different or actually do you think he'll just

1188
01:02:27,107 --> 01:02:28,947
Speaker 2: go out there and try and win the race, or

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01:02:29,107 --> 01:02:32,027
Speaker 2: knowing he doesn't have to, will that play on his mind.

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Speaker 19: I think knowing he doesn't have to, it's going to

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01:02:36,027 --> 01:02:39,267
Speaker 19: actually be quite a big positive for him, you know.

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01:02:40,027 --> 01:02:43,227
Speaker 19: I think Max is going to likely.

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01:02:43,147 --> 01:02:43,667
Speaker 6: Win the race.

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01:02:43,867 --> 01:02:47,867
Speaker 19: Like Abby Debbie last twelve years always won from whole position.

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Speaker 19: So I think Lando, he's going to know that he's

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01:02:51,067 --> 01:02:53,827
Speaker 19: going to take the safest approach and while Max is

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01:02:53,907 --> 01:02:55,787
Speaker 19: definitely one of the best, that probably going to be

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01:02:55,827 --> 01:02:57,987
Speaker 19: able to like back up the field. I think Lando

1199
01:02:58,107 --> 01:03:01,707
Speaker 19: will play it safe and he'll win. You know, that's

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Speaker 19: really my thought. But i'd love to, you know, see

1201
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Speaker 19: before championship for Max.

1202
01:03:08,827 --> 01:03:10,947
Speaker 2: Well, well you may well you know, I mean, much

1203
01:03:10,947 --> 01:03:13,027
Speaker 2: as it thinks, Daniel, much as it seems as though

1204
01:03:13,547 --> 01:03:17,267
Speaker 2: it's Norris's championship to lose. Like I say, he knows

1205
01:03:17,347 --> 01:03:19,107
Speaker 2: he doesn't have to win the race. He knows he

1206
01:03:19,187 --> 01:03:21,547
Speaker 2: doesn't have to get past for steppin. And as you've

1207
01:03:21,987 --> 01:03:24,547
Speaker 2: rightly pointed out, Daniel, this race is normally won by

1208
01:03:24,587 --> 01:03:27,787
Speaker 2: the pulsitter. So if Norris had to win the race

1209
01:03:27,867 --> 01:03:30,427
Speaker 2: to win the championship, that is an entirely different conversation.

1210
01:03:31,147 --> 01:03:32,987
Speaker 2: But all he has to do is hold his position,

1211
01:03:33,907 --> 01:03:37,307
Speaker 2: hold second place, even drop down to third, and he's

1212
01:03:37,347 --> 01:03:41,387
Speaker 2: done it. Thanks Daniel, Ray. What are your thoughts on this?

1213
01:03:42,787 --> 01:03:44,227
Speaker 9: Oh, it's a pretty big race, isn't it.

1214
01:03:44,547 --> 01:03:47,747
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's just awesome that it's come down to

1215
01:03:47,827 --> 01:03:49,787
Speaker 2: the final race, isn't it promoter's dream?

1216
01:03:50,987 --> 01:03:53,387
Speaker 9: Yes, there's some of those fifteen years it's been a freeway.

1217
01:03:53,107 --> 01:03:53,907
Speaker 4: That awful title.

1218
01:03:54,867 --> 01:03:55,947
Speaker 2: Which way do you see it going?

1219
01:03:57,307 --> 01:03:57,427
Speaker 9: Uh?

1220
01:03:59,067 --> 01:03:59,547
Speaker 4: Max might have.

1221
01:04:01,187 --> 01:04:04,747
Speaker 2: So that'll that'll need well, that'll need Lando Norris to

1222
01:04:04,867 --> 01:04:09,947
Speaker 2: do something well obviously negative, to negatively impact his chances.

1223
01:04:09,987 --> 01:04:12,107
Speaker 2: Do you think he might he might just just bottle it.

1224
01:04:13,707 --> 01:04:14,707
Speaker 9: I'll tell you how I said it.

1225
01:04:14,947 --> 01:04:17,747
Speaker 20: I see Max wins the race into the first corner,

1226
01:04:18,267 --> 01:04:20,827
Speaker 20: and then he backs them all up backs to pack up,

1227
01:04:21,747 --> 01:04:24,267
Speaker 20: brings the rest of the field closer to Lando and Yastre,

1228
01:04:24,747 --> 01:04:28,507
Speaker 20: and then they won't be able to box into space.

1229
01:04:29,467 --> 01:04:31,027
Speaker 4: And its interesting two stop shot.

1230
01:04:31,067 --> 01:04:34,627
Speaker 2: And he's going on, what about this first corner so much?

1231
01:04:34,667 --> 01:04:36,667
Speaker 2: Just texted in here that there have been a number

1232
01:04:36,707 --> 01:04:39,867
Speaker 2: of collisions at the first corner this year. Oscar Piastre

1233
01:04:39,947 --> 01:04:42,947
Speaker 2: has been involved in them. You know, is there any

1234
01:04:43,027 --> 01:04:46,267
Speaker 2: possibility that McLaren might actually be their own worst enemy

1235
01:04:46,667 --> 01:04:49,467
Speaker 2: and Piastre and Norris might end up not helping one

1236
01:04:49,467 --> 01:04:50,427
Speaker 2: another very much at all?

1237
01:04:51,747 --> 01:04:53,747
Speaker 20: They may well, because Oscar is starting on the clean

1238
01:04:53,867 --> 01:04:55,707
Speaker 20: side of the grid, of course, right behind Max, so

1239
01:04:55,747 --> 01:04:58,267
Speaker 20: you'd expect both of them to get better get away

1240
01:04:58,347 --> 01:04:58,827
Speaker 20: than Lando.

1241
01:04:59,747 --> 01:05:01,667
Speaker 2: All right, right, thanks for calling in mate. Look, I

1242
01:05:02,547 --> 01:05:04,787
Speaker 2: I just can't wait to see what happens. Two o'clock

1243
01:05:04,787 --> 01:05:08,107
Speaker 2: tomorrow morning is race time. Jason the first corner tonight,

1244
01:05:08,187 --> 01:05:10,947
Speaker 2: says Mark is going to be interesting will Lando try

1245
01:05:10,987 --> 01:05:15,027
Speaker 2: and get past Max. We've had collisions before in title races.

1246
01:05:15,587 --> 01:05:18,147
Speaker 2: In regards to Liam, the pressure is on him next

1247
01:05:18,227 --> 01:05:20,227
Speaker 2: year being the senior driver. If he doesn't match as

1248
01:05:20,307 --> 01:05:22,987
Speaker 2: co a younger driver, he'll be under pressure and they

1249
01:05:23,067 --> 01:05:24,787
Speaker 2: might replace him as co. Younger driver is very good,

1250
01:05:24,907 --> 01:05:27,387
Speaker 2: thanks Marky and Limblood is a great driver. But then

1251
01:05:27,507 --> 01:05:30,387
Speaker 2: having said that, as I understand it, he's not the

1252
01:05:30,547 --> 01:05:34,347
Speaker 2: fastest of the young guys coming through. He is a

1253
01:05:34,427 --> 01:05:37,947
Speaker 2: good driver. But if you actually going for out and

1254
01:05:38,067 --> 01:05:41,507
Speaker 2: out pace, there are other contenders for that seat, or were,

1255
01:05:41,987 --> 01:05:43,707
Speaker 2: but they seem to be very very keen on little

1256
01:05:43,747 --> 01:05:46,347
Speaker 2: Blood for a lot of reasons. But you'd be interesting

1257
01:05:46,347 --> 01:05:49,467
Speaker 2: to see how Liam goes with a younger co driver.

1258
01:05:50,227 --> 01:05:52,427
Speaker 2: And Mark makes a very good point. You're expected to

1259
01:05:52,547 --> 01:05:55,187
Speaker 2: be if you're the senior driver and a team, you

1260
01:05:55,227 --> 01:05:57,067
Speaker 2: would to be expected to finish ahead of the junior

1261
01:05:57,067 --> 01:06:01,027
Speaker 2: guy on the team. Right, So if lindb Blood starts

1262
01:06:01,067 --> 01:06:04,747
Speaker 2: to beat Liam, then what does that do to the

1263
01:06:04,827 --> 01:06:07,627
Speaker 2: team dynamic? What does that do to Leam's mindset? The

1264
01:06:07,707 --> 01:06:09,387
Speaker 2: other side of the corner is with a year of

1265
01:06:09,507 --> 01:06:11,747
Speaker 2: full time driving under his belt, how much better a

1266
01:06:11,907 --> 01:06:15,547
Speaker 2: driver will Liam Lawson. B we'll hear from some of

1267
01:06:15,587 --> 01:06:17,267
Speaker 2: those at the front of the grid shortly. Your calls

1268
01:06:17,267 --> 01:06:19,067
Speaker 2: are still welcome, though, O eight hundred and eighty ten

1269
01:06:19,147 --> 01:06:21,187
Speaker 2: eighty twenty eight away from two.

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Speaker 2: Talks V one thirty five. Hi, Jason, with a number

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01:06:34,267 --> 01:06:36,307
Speaker 2: of collisions oscars had on the first corner of the sheer,

1275
01:06:36,427 --> 01:06:38,507
Speaker 2: Eric and Henlando will be out on the first lap,

1276
01:06:38,587 --> 01:06:42,187
Speaker 2: says Steve. Interesting. Maxwell deliberately says this one can sde

1277
01:06:42,227 --> 01:06:46,667
Speaker 2: the lead to Norris, then attack him relentlessly, hopefully bumping

1278
01:06:46,747 --> 01:06:50,067
Speaker 2: him off during an overtaking maneuver. Yeah, Max, for Stappin's

1279
01:06:50,067 --> 01:06:53,987
Speaker 2: approach to this will be extremely interesting. You know, if

1280
01:06:53,987 --> 01:06:55,267
Speaker 2: he knew he just had to win the race, then

1281
01:06:55,347 --> 01:06:57,947
Speaker 2: it's almost his because on Polan Abu Dhabi most of

1282
01:06:58,027 --> 01:07:01,307
Speaker 2: the time, as a previous caller said, you'll win the race.

1283
01:07:01,427 --> 01:07:04,987
Speaker 2: So how is Max for Stappin feeling heading into this one?

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Speaker 8: Hey?

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Speaker 21: Max, we'll consider where the car was earlier this weekend.

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01:07:08,107 --> 01:07:08,667
Speaker 21: How pleased with it?

1287
01:07:08,707 --> 01:07:09,027
Speaker 5: Your way?

1288
01:07:09,147 --> 01:07:10,627
Speaker 21: That you were able to get not one but two

1289
01:07:10,707 --> 01:07:12,067
Speaker 21: laps to get enough for pup today.

1290
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Speaker 16: Yeah, I think the whole weekend we were fairly happy,

1291
01:07:15,027 --> 01:07:17,347
Speaker 16: but not entirely happy with the car, and I think

1292
01:07:17,387 --> 01:07:20,667
Speaker 16: then heading into qualifying some final changes brought it into

1293
01:07:20,707 --> 01:07:22,827
Speaker 16: the right window and then then yeah, we could push

1294
01:07:22,907 --> 01:07:27,627
Speaker 16: a bit more. So that was definitely very positive. And

1295
01:07:27,707 --> 01:07:30,147
Speaker 16: of course you're very happy with the with the labs

1296
01:07:30,187 --> 01:07:31,107
Speaker 16: that we did, especially in.

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Speaker 21: Q three he was able to help you with the

1298
01:07:33,387 --> 01:07:35,507
Speaker 21: toe today. What kind of special things are you going

1299
01:07:35,547 --> 01:07:37,107
Speaker 21: to be able to do tomorrow to try and find

1300
01:07:37,147 --> 01:07:38,547
Speaker 21: a way to win this championship.

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01:07:38,747 --> 01:07:40,467
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean that was of course great from Yuki

1302
01:07:40,547 --> 01:07:43,267
Speaker 16: has been of course an incredible team player as well,

1303
01:07:44,427 --> 01:07:46,347
Speaker 16: so thank you to him for that in the first run.

1304
01:07:46,987 --> 01:07:49,187
Speaker 16: And yeah, tomorrow, I mean, we want to go out

1305
01:07:49,187 --> 01:07:51,107
Speaker 16: there and win, and we know, of course, even if

1306
01:07:51,107 --> 01:07:54,067
Speaker 16: we win, we need a bit more luck. But let's see,

1307
01:07:54,387 --> 01:07:56,507
Speaker 16: let's open a bit of Abu Dabie.

1308
01:07:56,227 --> 01:07:58,987
Speaker 2: Magic, some Avu Dhabi magic. Who knows. Let's go to

1309
01:07:59,107 --> 01:08:03,227
Speaker 2: Lando Norris his fifteenth front row start of the season,

1310
01:08:03,267 --> 01:08:05,707
Speaker 2: the most in Formula One, but he's never won a

1311
01:08:05,827 --> 01:08:08,667
Speaker 2: race from second on the grid. Lando Norris, not that

1312
01:08:08,747 --> 01:08:11,147
Speaker 2: he has to, of course, he only has to finish

1313
01:08:11,227 --> 01:08:14,227
Speaker 2: on the podium. How was Lando Norris feeling there after?

1314
01:08:14,387 --> 01:08:15,987
Speaker 21: Well, look like a little bit of a difficult starting

1315
01:08:16,027 --> 01:08:17,787
Speaker 21: Q one, you please with how you kind of progressed

1316
01:08:17,787 --> 01:08:19,187
Speaker 21: through it and kind of at least got the front

1317
01:08:19,267 --> 01:08:19,747
Speaker 21: row at the.

1318
01:08:19,787 --> 01:08:20,187
Speaker 22: End of the day.

1319
01:08:20,387 --> 01:08:22,907
Speaker 23: Yeah, I mean I'm pretty happy. It could have been

1320
01:08:22,947 --> 01:08:24,627
Speaker 23: a lot worse. So, like I expected to be even

1321
01:08:24,667 --> 01:08:28,427
Speaker 23: closer honestly into Q three, and I say the Quali

1322
01:08:28,467 --> 01:08:31,307
Speaker 23: battle then was between me and Oscar. Max was too

1323
01:08:31,347 --> 01:08:35,507
Speaker 23: far ahead. Just they were too fast. We didn't quite

1324
01:08:35,787 --> 01:08:38,587
Speaker 23: just have the speed in the car today, So yeah,

1325
01:08:38,707 --> 01:08:40,467
Speaker 23: tough one to take. But otherwise, you know, I think

1326
01:08:40,507 --> 01:08:42,147
Speaker 23: we got everything out of it. I think both of

1327
01:08:42,227 --> 01:08:44,227
Speaker 23: Like Oscar did a pretty good lab and I thought

1328
01:08:44,227 --> 01:08:46,267
Speaker 23: I did a pretty good lab from yeah, just not

1329
01:08:47,027 --> 01:08:50,707
Speaker 23: fast enough come qualifying. But tomorrow's a new.

1330
01:08:50,707 --> 01:08:53,667
Speaker 21: Day, so obviously a great starting spot for tomorrow. How

1331
01:08:53,667 --> 01:08:55,507
Speaker 21: are you feeling about the day you've been waiting for

1332
01:08:55,707 --> 01:08:57,427
Speaker 21: all year tomorrow at that race?

1333
01:08:57,547 --> 01:09:02,067
Speaker 12: That, yeah, remarkably normal.

1334
01:09:04,587 --> 01:09:06,747
Speaker 23: Yeah, I guess like to feel the same, like a

1335
01:09:06,787 --> 01:09:08,867
Speaker 23: little bit disappointed we couldn't get first, even though it

1336
01:09:08,987 --> 01:09:12,267
Speaker 23: was just out of reach today. So it's just always

1337
01:09:12,387 --> 01:09:14,587
Speaker 23: nice to end the season on top like we did

1338
01:09:14,667 --> 01:09:16,907
Speaker 23: last year. You know, it didn't win the championship last year,

1339
01:09:16,947 --> 01:09:18,587
Speaker 23: but it was just nice to end with a win.

1340
01:09:19,307 --> 01:09:21,987
Speaker 23: That's what I would like to do tomorrow in either

1341
01:09:22,027 --> 01:09:26,467
Speaker 23: of cases. So yeah, no, I feel good and we'll

1342
01:09:26,507 --> 01:09:28,027
Speaker 23: go and do everything the same as normal.

1343
01:09:28,147 --> 01:09:31,307
Speaker 2: That's Landa Norris sounding remarkably calm. The other driver in

1344
01:09:31,387 --> 01:09:35,107
Speaker 2: this equation is Lando Norris is McLaren teammate Oscar Pstree.

1345
01:09:35,387 --> 01:09:37,147
Speaker 2: He's third on the grids of the top three. In

1346
01:09:37,227 --> 01:09:41,947
Speaker 2: the top three positions, Oscar Pstree really needs to win

1347
01:09:41,987 --> 01:09:44,387
Speaker 2: the race and have the other to not finish if

1348
01:09:44,427 --> 01:09:47,627
Speaker 2: he is to become world champion. Show how was Oscar

1349
01:09:47,707 --> 01:09:48,747
Speaker 2: Pstre's mindset?

1350
01:09:49,187 --> 01:09:51,587
Speaker 21: Hey, Oscott, I appreciate you're going to be annoyed out

1351
01:09:51,627 --> 01:09:53,107
Speaker 21: to be on poll today, but you're still in a

1352
01:09:53,147 --> 01:09:55,507
Speaker 21: really good starting spot for tomorrow. How do you kind

1353
01:09:55,547 --> 01:09:57,347
Speaker 21: of rate how qualifying I'm void of you today?

1354
01:09:57,987 --> 01:09:59,867
Speaker 12: I think honestly pretty good.

1355
01:09:59,867 --> 01:10:03,147
Speaker 17: I think you know Q one, I got a nice

1356
01:10:03,187 --> 01:10:05,947
Speaker 17: slap on the board and there's the first good lap

1357
01:10:05,987 --> 01:10:08,627
Speaker 17: I've done weekend, So it was nice to kind of

1358
01:10:08,667 --> 01:10:10,707
Speaker 17: set myself a baseline for the rest of PAULI.

1359
01:10:12,067 --> 01:10:14,547
Speaker 12: I think in Q three things felt good.

1360
01:10:14,587 --> 01:10:17,947
Speaker 17: You know, my lap was pretty good, and you know,

1361
01:10:17,947 --> 01:10:19,667
Speaker 17: I think Lando's lap was pretty good, So I think

1362
01:10:19,707 --> 01:10:21,827
Speaker 17: that was more or less all we had, so.

1363
01:10:23,467 --> 01:10:25,987
Speaker 12: Of ultimately pretty pretty pleased.

1364
01:10:26,467 --> 01:10:28,227
Speaker 21: Have you found your feet kind of with the car

1365
01:10:28,347 --> 01:10:30,667
Speaker 21: and compared to yesterday and does that give you the

1366
01:10:30,867 --> 01:10:32,907
Speaker 21: confidence to really go after it because that's what you

1367
01:10:32,987 --> 01:10:33,867
Speaker 21: got to do tomorrow revenue.

1368
01:10:34,187 --> 01:10:34,787
Speaker 12: Yeah, definitely.

1369
01:10:34,787 --> 01:10:38,707
Speaker 17: I think we made some good improvements from practice yesterday,

1370
01:10:38,787 --> 01:10:39,267
Speaker 17: even from.

1371
01:10:39,187 --> 01:10:39,987
Speaker 12: Practice this morning.

1372
01:10:40,427 --> 01:10:44,107
Speaker 17: On this afternoon, I felt much happier with the car,

1373
01:10:44,187 --> 01:10:45,627
Speaker 17: and I felt like I was driving a lot better

1374
01:10:45,667 --> 01:10:48,627
Speaker 17: as well, which helps. So I think we're in a

1375
01:10:48,667 --> 01:10:51,587
Speaker 17: reasonable place with that. Obviously not quite quick enough to

1376
01:10:51,667 --> 01:10:52,507
Speaker 17: be max today, but.

1377
01:10:54,267 --> 01:10:55,947
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think we did everything we could.

1378
01:10:56,147 --> 01:10:57,987
Speaker 2: So those are the top three. Let's got to Liam Lawson.

1379
01:10:58,027 --> 01:11:00,507
Speaker 2: He'll start the final race of the season and thirteenth.

1380
01:11:00,747 --> 01:11:02,627
Speaker 2: After missing out on a place in the top ten,

1381
01:11:03,067 --> 01:11:05,947
Speaker 2: his future confirmed this week, of course, confirmation he'll remain

1382
01:11:06,027 --> 01:11:09,027
Speaker 2: withing balls. He was just point zero four to three

1383
01:11:09,067 --> 01:11:12,507
Speaker 2: seconds away from advancing to the final qualifying session.

1384
01:11:12,827 --> 01:11:16,027
Speaker 21: Hailey and such more margins out there. How frustrating is

1385
01:11:16,027 --> 01:11:17,187
Speaker 21: it to miss out on Q three.

1386
01:11:17,667 --> 01:11:18,427
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's frustrating.

1387
01:11:18,467 --> 01:11:20,587
Speaker 24: I think we had a very quick car and I

1388
01:11:20,667 --> 01:11:23,147
Speaker 24: think we just played it a bit too conservative today.

1389
01:11:23,147 --> 01:11:25,547
Speaker 24: We took three sets in Q one, which honestly we

1390
01:11:25,587 --> 01:11:27,867
Speaker 24: didn't need to do, and I think it's hurt us

1391
01:11:27,987 --> 01:11:31,307
Speaker 24: we missed Q three by such a small margin, and yeah,

1392
01:11:31,427 --> 01:11:33,907
Speaker 24: taking a use high there is it's not ideal before

1393
01:11:34,067 --> 01:11:38,747
Speaker 24: before the last run. So it's frustrating, but something I

1394
01:11:38,787 --> 01:11:40,907
Speaker 24: think we'll learn from and definitely learned from going into

1395
01:11:40,947 --> 01:11:41,347
Speaker 24: next year.

1396
01:11:41,547 --> 01:11:43,667
Speaker 21: We worried then Hendon into this session that it would

1397
01:11:43,667 --> 01:11:45,027
Speaker 21: be super tight to get out of Q one.

1398
01:11:45,067 --> 01:11:46,267
Speaker 24: I mean, we knew it was going to be tight,

1399
01:11:46,307 --> 01:11:48,227
Speaker 24: and we were The thing is that's so close that

1400
01:11:48,467 --> 01:11:51,547
Speaker 24: that there's always a chance, So we were concerned a bit.

1401
01:11:51,587 --> 01:11:54,467
Speaker 24: But I think honestly, after missing P one yesterday, a

1402
01:11:54,507 --> 01:11:56,147
Speaker 24: lot of our data was from P two, where it

1403
01:11:56,227 --> 01:11:57,587
Speaker 24: was the first session in the car for me, and

1404
01:11:57,667 --> 01:12:01,187
Speaker 24: I think honestly, maybe we just overreacted a little bit

1405
01:12:01,827 --> 01:12:05,027
Speaker 24: because that, you know, all through the first part of

1406
01:12:05,107 --> 01:12:07,147
Speaker 24: quality we were quite come me three Q one and

1407
01:12:07,227 --> 01:12:09,587
Speaker 24: then yeah, just missed out.

1408
01:12:09,467 --> 01:12:09,867
Speaker 6: On Q three.

1409
01:12:09,987 --> 01:12:12,427
Speaker 2: As Lem Lawson from thirteenth on the grid will start

1410
01:12:12,507 --> 01:12:14,267
Speaker 2: the final race of the season and I get through

1411
01:12:14,307 --> 01:12:17,547
Speaker 2: it okay, and then refresh, reflect and come back for

1412
01:12:17,707 --> 01:12:20,787
Speaker 2: racing balls. In twenty twenty six, the race goes at

1413
01:12:20,907 --> 01:12:25,747
Speaker 2: two Tomorrow morning, New Zealand. Time for Stappen, Norris and Pastre.

1414
01:12:26,227 --> 01:12:27,707
Speaker 2: You get the feeling that there'll be a couple more

1415
01:12:27,747 --> 01:12:31,867
Speaker 2: storylines written before the Formula One Drivers Championship is handed out.

1416
01:12:32,347 --> 01:12:34,867
Speaker 2: Nineteen to two. We'll take away, come Back, James mcconey

1417
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1418
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1420
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1424
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Speaker 6: Good a pony, How are you very good?

1425
01:12:55,907 --> 01:12:58,907
Speaker 2: Very good? A few topics to kick around with you today?

1426
01:12:58,947 --> 01:13:01,507
Speaker 2: Can we start at Hagleyoval in christ Church where a

1427
01:13:01,627 --> 01:13:04,787
Speaker 2: depleted Black Caps attack just could not get through the

1428
01:13:04,827 --> 01:13:07,507
Speaker 2: West Indies. Did you feel us though, have lost an

1429
01:13:07,547 --> 01:13:08,987
Speaker 2: opportunity to go one lil up here?

1430
01:13:09,827 --> 01:13:12,227
Speaker 11: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean injuries are injuries, right,

1431
01:13:13,587 --> 01:13:16,587
Speaker 11: It's rare to see them decimated bowling attack like that

1432
01:13:17,467 --> 01:13:22,987
Speaker 11: in a Test match, but it is the attack wasn't

1433
01:13:23,027 --> 01:13:25,347
Speaker 11: quite you know, at full strength when you consider what

1434
01:13:25,427 --> 01:13:29,107
Speaker 11: Will O'Rourke was doing last year, and even we're still

1435
01:13:29,147 --> 01:13:31,667
Speaker 11: waiting for the return of Kyle Jamison if you like,

1436
01:13:31,787 --> 01:13:34,427
Speaker 11: you know, the second coming because he was so talented

1437
01:13:34,427 --> 01:13:37,547
Speaker 11: when we won the World Test Championship final. It is

1438
01:13:38,147 --> 01:13:41,387
Speaker 11: still a brave effort. But that was incredible from the

1439
01:13:41,427 --> 01:13:45,467
Speaker 11: West Indies and probably has given something to this Test

1440
01:13:45,507 --> 01:13:48,227
Speaker 11: series that didn't really have a lot of fire to

1441
01:13:48,387 --> 01:13:49,427
Speaker 11: it beforehand.

1442
01:13:49,747 --> 01:13:51,787
Speaker 2: I agree. I think we all sort of, you know,

1443
01:13:51,947 --> 01:13:55,627
Speaker 2: perhaps you know, rather disparagingly thought that the West Indies

1444
01:13:55,627 --> 01:13:57,307
Speaker 2: will be a bit of a walkover, would have a

1445
01:13:57,347 --> 01:13:59,747
Speaker 2: couple of three and four day Test matches. I just

1446
01:13:59,787 --> 01:14:02,507
Speaker 2: thought the way that they dug in yesterday, albeit as

1447
01:14:02,547 --> 01:14:04,947
Speaker 2: I say, against a depleted bowling attack, with Henry and

1448
01:14:05,387 --> 01:14:07,107
Speaker 2: Smith not able to bowl on the final night, you're

1449
01:14:07,107 --> 01:14:09,107
Speaker 2: still got to stay in in one hundred and sixty

1450
01:14:09,187 --> 01:14:10,907
Speaker 2: three overs out there, You're still going to stay in.

1451
01:14:11,907 --> 01:14:14,267
Speaker 11: Yeah, And that four hundred and fifty seven for six

1452
01:14:14,347 --> 01:14:16,667
Speaker 11: in the fourth innings of a Test is madness. They're

1453
01:14:16,707 --> 01:14:18,787
Speaker 11: calling it the second highest. It really is the highest

1454
01:14:18,787 --> 01:14:21,747
Speaker 11: in a five day test because I think that it's

1455
01:14:21,827 --> 01:14:25,427
Speaker 11: only behind a timeless Test from nineteen thirty nine when

1456
01:14:25,427 --> 01:14:28,187
Speaker 11: they kept on batting in South Africa. I think it

1457
01:14:28,267 --> 01:14:30,707
Speaker 11: was England for nine days or something, you know, like

1458
01:14:30,867 --> 01:14:33,947
Speaker 11: it was timeless tests a thing of the past. But

1459
01:14:34,467 --> 01:14:36,827
Speaker 11: seeing them go out there with the double times. I

1460
01:14:36,867 --> 01:14:39,747
Speaker 11: mean we have seen some incredible Test matches, you know,

1461
01:14:39,907 --> 01:14:43,267
Speaker 11: India's miracle at the Gabba. I actually think Test match

1462
01:14:43,347 --> 01:14:46,947
Speaker 11: cricket is really keeps on giving and it's just that

1463
01:14:47,067 --> 01:14:51,147
Speaker 11: New Zealand has to prepare for, you know, life after Kine. Really,

1464
01:14:51,587 --> 01:14:54,307
Speaker 11: when is it going to hold on to the Australian

1465
01:14:54,387 --> 01:14:56,627
Speaker 11: series next year? It's the big mystery. There are a

1466
01:14:56,667 --> 01:14:58,547
Speaker 11: lot of people preparing for a retirement.

1467
01:14:58,627 --> 01:15:00,987
Speaker 2: Sooner than that, you reckon it might be before that,

1468
01:15:01,107 --> 01:15:05,107
Speaker 2: you don't reckon he'll he'll make next summer's Australian Test series,

1469
01:15:05,107 --> 01:15:07,387
Speaker 2: because I guess I would like to think, and it

1470
01:15:07,467 --> 01:15:09,867
Speaker 2: could be well off, that that might be his swan song,

1471
01:15:09,947 --> 01:15:12,747
Speaker 2: a four ties series against Australia away.

1472
01:15:13,507 --> 01:15:15,827
Speaker 11: I'm hoping that is it will be. I think he

1473
01:15:16,467 --> 01:15:19,467
Speaker 11: probably will hang on, it probably won't be the best.

1474
01:15:19,267 --> 01:15:19,827
Speaker 6: For the average.

1475
01:15:19,827 --> 01:15:22,227
Speaker 11: He hasn't done that well against Australia in the past,

1476
01:15:22,747 --> 01:15:26,827
Speaker 11: but not terrible. It's just it is a tough ask.

1477
01:15:26,907 --> 01:15:28,827
Speaker 11: I mean, we just saw Joe Roots score his first

1478
01:15:29,267 --> 01:15:32,987
Speaker 11: Test down a Test century down under. It that's how

1479
01:15:33,027 --> 01:15:35,547
Speaker 11: hard it is. But yeah, I mean that is it

1480
01:15:35,627 --> 01:15:38,827
Speaker 11: still means that it's imminent and we still need to

1481
01:15:38,867 --> 01:15:42,187
Speaker 11: look for new talent coming through and I've got my

1482
01:15:42,187 --> 01:15:44,667
Speaker 11: own a few, and I've heard there's a young better

1483
01:15:44,747 --> 01:15:48,547
Speaker 11: from Otago called Hugo Bog who we should all keep

1484
01:15:48,547 --> 01:15:50,387
Speaker 11: an eye on Outher nine teams at the stage. But

1485
01:15:50,947 --> 01:15:54,307
Speaker 11: still we do need players of rare talent, not just

1486
01:15:54,387 --> 01:15:57,907
Speaker 11: to keep the team, you know, in that I guess

1487
01:15:58,867 --> 01:16:00,987
Speaker 11: in the elite level that we that we like to

1488
01:16:01,067 --> 01:16:03,787
Speaker 11: think we are, it's also just to have big names

1489
01:16:03,827 --> 01:16:08,187
Speaker 11: that excite other nations, because that's that's how you get tours.

1490
01:16:08,187 --> 01:16:10,267
Speaker 2: I think these days it's generally accept that, isn't it.

1491
01:16:10,307 --> 01:16:13,267
Speaker 2: Your best batsman goes in at three. So when came

1492
01:16:13,307 --> 01:16:15,667
Speaker 2: Williamson comes out of the team whenever that is, I

1493
01:16:15,707 --> 01:16:17,987
Speaker 2: feel like rightch and Revender just goes up one, doesn't

1494
01:16:17,987 --> 01:16:19,947
Speaker 2: he he's the heir apparent at three, isn't he.

1495
01:16:20,707 --> 01:16:23,507
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, Rautchen's average we went up from forty two

1496
01:16:23,547 --> 01:16:26,627
Speaker 11: to forty five fans. That ains the one seventy sixty scored.

1497
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Speaker 11: So that's just the impact because he's still quite early

1498
01:16:29,907 --> 01:16:32,787
Speaker 11: in his career. That's the difference that can make to

1499
01:16:32,867 --> 01:16:37,147
Speaker 11: your average. So he's also tracking ahead of Kay Williamson

1500
01:16:37,227 --> 01:16:40,987
Speaker 11: for the same number of tests early in his career.

1501
01:16:41,067 --> 01:16:43,707
Speaker 11: But of course Kane had an incredible purple patch for

1502
01:16:43,747 --> 01:16:47,467
Speaker 11: four or five years. But then that's good signs for

1503
01:16:47,547 --> 01:16:50,867
Speaker 11: Rutchen really because I think he is world class and

1504
01:16:51,307 --> 01:16:54,427
Speaker 11: they probably held him back the right amount of years.

1505
01:16:54,467 --> 01:16:57,547
Speaker 11: I mean, we always we're talking about him, but now

1506
01:16:57,667 --> 01:17:01,387
Speaker 11: he's just the mainstay of the team, which is pretty

1507
01:17:01,387 --> 01:17:03,947
Speaker 11: heartening because you know, we've lost a few in the

1508
01:17:04,027 --> 01:17:06,027
Speaker 11: past few years with you know, Taylor and.

1509
01:17:06,067 --> 01:17:07,587
Speaker 6: McCain and the likes of those.

1510
01:17:08,267 --> 01:17:11,627
Speaker 2: To the ashes at the Gabbert and Brisbane Day four today,

1511
01:17:12,387 --> 01:17:16,627
Speaker 2: Australia eventually dismissed yesterday for five hundred and eleven. England

1512
01:17:16,667 --> 01:17:19,827
Speaker 2: were doing all right, they were ninety for one and

1513
01:17:19,987 --> 01:17:23,267
Speaker 2: then they've just I don't know, just inexplicable one thirty

1514
01:17:23,307 --> 01:17:25,307
Speaker 2: four for six they are, they're still forty odd short

1515
01:17:25,347 --> 01:17:27,867
Speaker 2: of making Australia bad again. There are two days to go.

1516
01:17:28,027 --> 01:17:31,347
Speaker 2: This probably won't go much past the first session tonight.

1517
01:17:32,787 --> 01:17:37,067
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's tough for England, but then I don't think

1518
01:17:37,107 --> 01:17:39,707
Speaker 11: their batterers have too much excuse. This is a depleted

1519
01:17:39,827 --> 01:17:43,187
Speaker 11: Australian attack. Yeah, Mitchell Stark one of the all time greats,

1520
01:17:43,227 --> 01:17:45,667
Speaker 11: now the top wick at taking left arbor and cricket

1521
01:17:45,987 --> 01:17:49,267
Speaker 11: going pasty, cimchrim. But what's your other excuse?

1522
01:17:49,347 --> 01:17:49,627
Speaker 4: England?

1523
01:17:49,707 --> 01:17:52,587
Speaker 11: Come on now? You turn up with guys who are

1524
01:17:52,747 --> 01:17:56,187
Speaker 11: pretty much really highly tilted, with Joe Ruth, Harry brook

1525
01:17:56,787 --> 01:17:59,187
Speaker 11: Stokes as well, who's we've seen him some of the

1526
01:17:59,227 --> 01:18:03,667
Speaker 11: innings that he can play. They have to really find

1527
01:18:04,027 --> 01:18:07,027
Speaker 11: another way because I actually don't think they're bowling attack

1528
01:18:07,707 --> 01:18:09,347
Speaker 11: is that great at the moment, So it's up to

1529
01:18:09,387 --> 01:18:12,667
Speaker 11: their batters to do something special and they just didn't behave.

1530
01:18:12,827 --> 01:18:15,507
Speaker 11: There's still a few embers in the ashes. But it

1531
01:18:15,707 --> 01:18:18,747
Speaker 11: is a fantastic watch, I must say, just the drama

1532
01:18:18,987 --> 01:18:23,227
Speaker 11: and you know, even the personality is the crowd, everything

1533
01:18:23,267 --> 01:18:25,907
Speaker 11: about it. This has another level up. It's kind of

1534
01:18:25,987 --> 01:18:28,507
Speaker 11: like watching State of Origin in some ways, you know,

1535
01:18:28,747 --> 01:18:31,067
Speaker 11: just the the hoopla around it.

1536
01:18:31,187 --> 01:18:34,187
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree. Speaking of hoopla, the draw

1537
01:18:34,267 --> 01:18:35,907
Speaker 2: for the World Cup, the FIFA World Cup. This this

1538
01:18:36,067 --> 01:18:39,307
Speaker 2: was made yesterday, eventually after some pageantry. We know the

1539
01:18:39,387 --> 01:18:43,627
Speaker 2: all whites. We'll play against Belgium, Egypt and Iran. We

1540
01:18:43,747 --> 01:18:45,947
Speaker 2: know that the first of those games will be in

1541
01:18:46,027 --> 01:18:49,267
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, that one is against Iran, and then up

1542
01:18:49,307 --> 01:18:52,587
Speaker 2: to Vancouver where they'll play the remaining two. This is

1543
01:18:52,627 --> 01:18:53,867
Speaker 2: a good draw for us, isn't it.

1544
01:18:54,707 --> 01:18:57,147
Speaker 11: It's not too bad, you know. I'm happy with Belgium,

1545
01:18:57,907 --> 01:18:59,267
Speaker 11: Egypt and Iran.

1546
01:19:00,267 --> 01:19:01,547
Speaker 4: A ran so far.

1547
01:19:03,467 --> 01:19:06,667
Speaker 11: I could and yeah we yeah, flock a seagull there

1548
01:19:06,747 --> 01:19:10,427
Speaker 11: for anybody whose generation X will know what I'm singing about.

1549
01:19:10,507 --> 01:19:13,347
Speaker 11: But I actually think it's fine. Belgium a sort of

1550
01:19:13,947 --> 01:19:16,107
Speaker 11: not necessarily past the use by date, but they are

1551
01:19:16,427 --> 01:19:18,187
Speaker 11: on the decline when you look at the likes of

1552
01:19:18,267 --> 01:19:21,867
Speaker 11: Lakaku and de Bruyna into their mid thirties. And you

1553
01:19:21,907 --> 01:19:25,147
Speaker 11: could say the same for most Salah given Liverpool's season.

1554
01:19:25,187 --> 01:19:28,387
Speaker 11: But hey, Mossala is so good all I ask for

1555
01:19:28,587 --> 01:19:32,107
Speaker 11: anyone who has to mark Mosala has mark that left foot.

1556
01:19:32,507 --> 01:19:35,147
Speaker 11: Yeah he might score off as right, but he will

1557
01:19:35,227 --> 01:19:37,187
Speaker 11: score off his left if you give him a chance.

1558
01:19:37,307 --> 01:19:40,347
Speaker 11: So if Libby Cacacci, I think we've got a good

1559
01:19:40,427 --> 01:19:45,907
Speaker 11: left back there. Piney, I'm not too unhappy with the

1560
01:19:46,027 --> 01:19:49,667
Speaker 11: left side, I guess with Salah playing in that inverted

1561
01:19:49,787 --> 01:19:53,107
Speaker 11: right wing position and then Iran, I mean, look, it could.

1562
01:19:52,907 --> 01:19:53,667
Speaker 4: Have been a lot worse.

1563
01:19:54,027 --> 01:19:55,867
Speaker 2: It could have It could well have been a lot worse.

1564
01:19:55,907 --> 01:19:59,027
Speaker 2: I think it's a group we can approach with a

1565
01:19:59,147 --> 01:20:01,427
Speaker 2: degree of optimism. Hey, just before you go, have you

1566
01:20:01,507 --> 01:20:03,107
Speaker 2: been keeping eyes on Sam Ruth?

1567
01:20:04,587 --> 01:20:08,267
Speaker 11: Oh my goodness, this run Sam Ruth just breaking all records.

1568
01:20:08,267 --> 01:20:10,827
Speaker 11: Another one today, the eight hundred meetings. I think the

1569
01:20:10,907 --> 01:20:14,427
Speaker 11: schools were under eighteen record that this is a great

1570
01:20:14,507 --> 01:20:17,667
Speaker 11: thing about the resurgence. It's a renaissance and running in

1571
01:20:17,747 --> 01:20:20,307
Speaker 11: New Zealand. And I think someone like Nick Willison needs

1572
01:20:20,347 --> 01:20:24,147
Speaker 11: to take some credit here. His bronze medal upgraded to

1573
01:20:24,227 --> 01:20:29,147
Speaker 11: silver in the Beijing Olympics was amazing, and then of

1574
01:20:29,227 --> 01:20:33,427
Speaker 11: course he repeated the dose in Rio, so that I'm

1575
01:20:33,467 --> 01:20:35,907
Speaker 11: sure that had an impact on this generation. With Jordy

1576
01:20:35,947 --> 01:20:38,787
Speaker 11: Beamish and now Sam Ruth and all those guys, so

1577
01:20:39,107 --> 01:20:41,427
Speaker 11: neck takeabow. I know that there was always a tough

1578
01:20:41,467 --> 01:20:44,067
Speaker 11: fact to follow when you've got the likes of Snell

1579
01:20:44,147 --> 01:20:48,067
Speaker 11: and Walker in the in the history of middle distance running.

1580
01:20:48,547 --> 01:20:51,747
Speaker 11: But now New Zealand is a genuine contender. Jordy Beamish

1581
01:20:51,787 --> 01:20:54,547
Speaker 11: that gold medal in the steeplechase, it was always thought

1582
01:20:54,867 --> 01:20:57,947
Speaker 11: unheard of to see a medalist outside of Africa in

1583
01:20:58,027 --> 01:21:01,907
Speaker 11: that event. And so I mean in back country Hawk's Bay,

1584
01:21:02,027 --> 01:21:04,147
Speaker 11: we've got the best in the world. And now from

1585
01:21:04,227 --> 01:21:06,267
Speaker 11: Todung Sam Ruth, you love.

1586
01:21:06,187 --> 01:21:06,707
Speaker 6: To see it.

1587
01:21:07,627 --> 01:21:09,427
Speaker 11: Let's us hope that he can keep up the pace

1588
01:21:09,507 --> 01:21:11,867
Speaker 11: that he's set because it's just unbelievable, scorching.

1589
01:21:12,147 --> 01:21:15,507
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is unreal. And Sam's dad been on with

1590
01:21:15,627 --> 01:21:17,387
Speaker 2: us in the next hour. He used to run against

1591
01:21:17,427 --> 01:21:20,147
Speaker 2: Nick Willis, so yeah, they know each other pretty well

1592
01:21:20,187 --> 01:21:21,387
Speaker 2: and by the sounds of it, and Nick has been

1593
01:21:21,467 --> 01:21:24,787
Speaker 2: very helpful in the early stages of Sam's career as well.

1594
01:21:24,827 --> 01:21:27,067
Speaker 2: Great to chat as always, James, thanks for taking the time,

1595
01:21:27,187 --> 01:21:29,987
Speaker 2: James mcconey, big part of our Sundays seven Away from

1596
01:21:30,187 --> 01:21:31,427
Speaker 2: Two news Talks Ebek.

1597
01:21:32,027 --> 01:21:37,107
Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails weekends

1598
01:21:37,187 --> 01:21:38,587
Speaker 1: for it with Jason Hine.

1599
01:21:38,827 --> 01:21:41,787
Speaker 2: News Talk ZENB coming up four to two after the news.

1600
01:21:41,827 --> 01:21:43,427
Speaker 2: At two into the final hour of the show, we're

1601
01:21:43,427 --> 01:21:45,707
Speaker 2: going to hear from Ben Ruth, as I mentioned before,

1602
01:21:45,707 --> 01:21:47,627
Speaker 2: the dad of Sam, who's about to line up in

1603
01:21:47,667 --> 01:21:49,787
Speaker 2: the final of the fifteen hundred meters at the New

1604
01:21:49,907 --> 01:21:53,227
Speaker 2: Zealand Secondary School Champs. This, of course after smashing the

1605
01:21:53,347 --> 01:21:56,427
Speaker 2: national secondary school's record by eight seconds yesterday, so what

1606
01:21:57,187 --> 01:21:59,227
Speaker 2: could he break it again in the final? Who knows?

1607
01:21:59,307 --> 01:22:01,227
Speaker 2: Eight hundred meter final this morning? He broke the record

1608
01:22:01,267 --> 01:22:03,747
Speaker 2: there too. We'll also here from Zach Folks out of

1609
01:22:03,787 --> 01:22:05,467
Speaker 2: the black Caps they couldn't quite get the job done

1610
01:22:05,467 --> 01:22:07,947
Speaker 2: against the West Indies and christ Hutch yesterday, and breakdown

1611
01:22:07,987 --> 01:22:12,467
Speaker 2: another thrilling New Zealand football derby, James mcconey's put this

1612
01:22:12,587 --> 01:22:18,067
Speaker 2: song in our heads Iran one of the teams will

1613
01:22:18,067 --> 01:22:20,787
Speaker 2: play in the World Cup. A flock of seagulls taking

1614
01:22:20,907 --> 01:22:21,227
Speaker 2: us out.

1615
01:22:36,507 --> 01:22:39,347
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1616
01:22:39,787 --> 01:22:43,707
Speaker 1: and afterfield. It's all on win Kend Sport with Jason

1617
01:22:43,787 --> 01:22:47,827
Speaker 1: Vane on your home of sport US Talk.

1618
01:22:48,747 --> 01:22:51,307
Speaker 2: Hello there, welcome to Weekend Sport. Welcome back to Weekend

1619
01:22:51,347 --> 01:22:53,787
Speaker 2: Sport too. I seven, I'm Jason Pine with Andy McDonnell

1620
01:22:54,267 --> 01:22:57,787
Speaker 2: writing shotgun. We're here till three talking sport. Then Tim

1621
01:22:57,867 --> 01:23:00,667
Speaker 2: Beveridge will take over the Sunday edition of the Weekend Collective,

1622
01:23:00,987 --> 01:23:03,267
Speaker 2: said to be another award winner. Of what I can

1623
01:23:03,307 --> 01:23:05,787
Speaker 2: see through the glass of Tim's preparation, has anything to

1624
01:23:05,827 --> 01:23:09,587
Speaker 2: go by before we hand over the rains, I want

1625
01:23:09,587 --> 01:23:12,907
Speaker 2: to break down yesterday's a leg Darby, another win for

1626
01:23:12,987 --> 01:23:16,027
Speaker 2: Auckland FC. That's five from five now, but it was

1627
01:23:16,027 --> 01:23:20,027
Speaker 2: another thrilling encounter at Mount Smart. Any number of talking

1628
01:23:20,107 --> 01:23:27,427
Speaker 2: points and cracking goals, a red card, clutch of yellows, handbags, emotion,

1629
01:23:28,387 --> 01:23:31,467
Speaker 2: so much to break down. Former All Whites striking Noel

1630
01:23:31,507 --> 01:23:34,427
Speaker 2: Barkley was there in the sunshine at go Media. He's

1631
01:23:34,467 --> 01:23:36,867
Speaker 2: going to give us his take, speaking for yours as well.

1632
01:23:37,667 --> 01:23:40,267
Speaker 2: Speaking of sunshine and a bit of wind, plenty of

1633
01:23:40,307 --> 01:23:42,747
Speaker 2: that in christ Church yesterday as the black Caps toiled

1634
01:23:43,307 --> 01:23:47,147
Speaker 2: unsuccessfully as it turned out, and the first cricket Test

1635
01:23:47,147 --> 01:23:50,347
Speaker 2: against the West ind He's finished in a drawer the wind.

1636
01:23:50,387 --> 01:23:54,387
Speaker 2: He's really digging in on day five and scoring the

1637
01:23:54,507 --> 01:23:57,947
Speaker 2: highest or it is the second highest fourth innings of

1638
01:23:58,027 --> 01:24:02,947
Speaker 2: all time in a Test match. The highest is a

1639
01:24:03,067 --> 01:24:06,947
Speaker 2: timeless Test and James mcconey referenced it before two England

1640
01:24:06,987 --> 01:24:09,787
Speaker 2: against South Africa. It went for nine days. The only

1641
01:24:09,907 --> 01:24:12,907
Speaker 2: reason that test stopped was because England had to get

1642
01:24:12,947 --> 01:24:15,907
Speaker 2: the boat home. Those were the days you just keep

1643
01:24:15,947 --> 01:24:18,027
Speaker 2: playing till there was a result, or till the boat

1644
01:24:18,067 --> 01:24:20,347
Speaker 2: comes to take your home. Zach folks out of the

1645
01:24:20,387 --> 01:24:22,547
Speaker 2: black Caps, going to have a chat to us and

1646
01:24:22,827 --> 01:24:26,947
Speaker 2: Sam Ruth has comfortably won the fifteen hundred meters at

1647
01:24:27,027 --> 01:24:30,707
Speaker 2: the New Zealand Secondary School's Track and Field Champs and Hastings.

1648
01:24:30,787 --> 01:24:35,427
Speaker 2: This after absolutely obliterating the national record and the heats

1649
01:24:35,467 --> 01:24:39,507
Speaker 2: yesterday by eight seconds. He got himself quite away in

1650
01:24:39,547 --> 01:24:41,707
Speaker 2: front of the final and cruise down the home straight,

1651
01:24:42,267 --> 01:24:46,027
Speaker 2: so obviously never in his mind to try and break

1652
01:24:46,067 --> 01:24:48,667
Speaker 2: the record again, he had already done that. His dad

1653
01:24:48,747 --> 01:24:51,987
Speaker 2: Ben Ruth, going to join us as Sam Ruth continues

1654
01:24:52,067 --> 01:24:55,507
Speaker 2: to turn heads at his tender age of just sixteen.

1655
01:24:56,987 --> 01:24:59,827
Speaker 2: Your causing correspondence welcome. As always, we'll keep you up

1656
01:24:59,867 --> 01:25:01,467
Speaker 2: to date with live sport as well. In fact, just

1657
01:25:01,467 --> 01:25:04,387
Speaker 2: a quick look at the Australian Golf Open before we

1658
01:25:04,547 --> 01:25:07,867
Speaker 2: move on. Daniel Hilliot has unfortunately dropped a shot on

1659
01:25:07,907 --> 01:25:09,667
Speaker 2: the first whole of his last round to go down

1660
01:25:09,707 --> 01:25:13,027
Speaker 2: to nine under. He started the day to typher six

1661
01:25:13,227 --> 01:25:18,027
Speaker 2: at ten under Rasmus neerguard. Peterson now has the outright

1662
01:25:18,107 --> 01:25:21,227
Speaker 2: lead fourteen under Camsmith, the local boy thirteen under the cart.

1663
01:25:22,307 --> 01:25:26,187
Speaker 2: Ryan Fox is a bit further down. He has dropped

1664
01:25:26,227 --> 01:25:28,467
Speaker 2: a shot through six holes, five under the cart and

1665
01:25:28,547 --> 01:25:30,547
Speaker 2: a type for twenty second mokeupies on that for you

1666
01:25:31,427 --> 01:25:33,787
Speaker 2: for the next hour or so. But as we took

1667
01:25:33,827 --> 01:25:37,067
Speaker 2: over nine past two, as we always do at this

1668
01:25:37,227 --> 01:25:40,427
Speaker 2: time on weekend sport, let's bring you up to date

1669
01:25:41,947 --> 01:25:43,547
Speaker 2: with some of the things you may have missed. In

1670
01:25:43,747 --> 01:25:47,467
Speaker 2: case you missed it. The Breakers have moved into the

1671
01:25:47,507 --> 01:25:51,747
Speaker 2: Australian National Basketball League's top six with their third winn

1672
01:25:51,747 --> 01:25:55,587
Speaker 2: in a row. PJC as the bully hand Steve Milk

1673
01:25:55,707 --> 01:25:56,027
Speaker 2: all the.

1674
01:25:56,147 --> 01:25:59,787
Speaker 25: Time off the court and then most like the ice

1675
01:25:59,867 --> 01:26:00,267
Speaker 25: the game.

1676
01:26:00,427 --> 01:26:02,587
Speaker 2: Once again he puts the icing on the cake. With

1677
01:26:02,707 --> 01:26:05,387
Speaker 2: the New Zealand Breakers starting to get a bit of

1678
01:26:05,467 --> 01:26:08,227
Speaker 2: momentum the break, the ninety nine eighty six went over

1679
01:26:08,267 --> 01:26:12,827
Speaker 2: the jack Jumpers, surging them into playoff contention. A tough

1680
01:26:12,907 --> 01:26:15,827
Speaker 2: round for the All Black Sevens, losing two and Paul

1681
01:26:15,867 --> 01:26:18,307
Speaker 2: play in Cape Town, including a thrashing at the hands

1682
01:26:18,347 --> 01:26:18,787
Speaker 2: of Fiji.

1683
01:26:20,547 --> 01:26:21,827
Speaker 12: He's gonna do it himself.

1684
01:26:22,227 --> 01:26:24,667
Speaker 2: He's got it all in his locker. I know to

1685
01:26:24,747 --> 01:26:27,907
Speaker 2: try for the playing Pigeons they move into the playoffs

1686
01:26:27,987 --> 01:26:31,387
Speaker 2: now for fifth. But no such struggle for the Black

1687
01:26:31,427 --> 01:26:34,227
Speaker 2: Ferns seven, who went undefeated again and will play the

1688
01:26:34,307 --> 01:26:36,107
Speaker 2: semis lane sets it up.

1689
01:26:36,147 --> 01:26:39,627
Speaker 13: You can just see coasting of Alana say, but that

1690
01:26:39,747 --> 01:26:41,387
Speaker 13: opens up straight up the middle.

1691
01:26:43,147 --> 01:26:45,147
Speaker 2: For Georgia Melan, she's gonna.

1692
01:26:44,907 --> 01:26:45,587
Speaker 12: Get the hat trick.

1693
01:26:46,107 --> 01:26:49,027
Speaker 2: She just enjoys her rugby. This kid to Football's Premier

1694
01:26:49,147 --> 01:26:53,027
Speaker 2: League leaders, Arsenal have fallen at the very last minute

1695
01:26:53,067 --> 01:26:56,787
Speaker 2: to aston Villa Sansa Tenomans.

1696
01:26:56,267 --> 01:26:59,707
Speaker 26: Today quin Dere tonight quin Dere again came.

1697
01:26:59,747 --> 01:27:07,667
Speaker 12: Yet a go chaotic scenes Quen kicking again.

1698
01:27:13,267 --> 01:27:15,587
Speaker 2: Be credible, isn't the game?

1699
01:27:16,147 --> 01:27:18,907
Speaker 8: That's the goal that we'll see Hanski.

1700
01:27:18,667 --> 01:27:21,107
Speaker 12: Beating for just the second time this season.

1701
01:27:21,467 --> 01:27:24,947
Speaker 2: And in another last minute heist Leeds United stealing a

1702
01:27:24,987 --> 01:27:25,907
Speaker 2: point from Liverpool.

1703
01:27:28,667 --> 01:27:37,027
Speaker 26: Nice delivery chase for two home James in a row,

1704
01:27:37,987 --> 01:27:43,947
Speaker 26: he produces, then chuckles, I'm Johnny again.

1705
01:27:44,627 --> 01:27:48,547
Speaker 2: Three three there at Alan Roaden. Finally, Australia have again

1706
01:27:48,627 --> 01:27:52,267
Speaker 2: exerted their dominance over England. And now look even firmer

1707
01:27:52,387 --> 01:27:54,707
Speaker 2: favorites to defend cricket's ashes.

1708
01:27:57,787 --> 01:28:05,387
Speaker 27: Heretiful stark side Australia's celebrates. They cannot stop pitching. Start

1709
01:28:05,467 --> 01:28:09,387
Speaker 27: at the moment, England now crumbling.

1710
01:28:09,347 --> 01:28:13,507
Speaker 1: At the Gabba, analyzing every view from every angle in

1711
01:28:13,627 --> 01:28:17,987
Speaker 1: the sporting world. Weekends fort with Jason Vyell.

1712
01:28:19,267 --> 01:28:22,787
Speaker 2: Talks newstalksb just on twelve past two, just before he

1713
01:28:22,867 --> 01:28:25,347
Speaker 2: moved to football. Daniel Hillier has got that shot back.

1714
01:28:25,427 --> 01:28:27,867
Speaker 2: He bogeyed the opening hole of his fourth round. He

1715
01:28:28,027 --> 01:28:30,667
Speaker 2: has birdied the second to move back to ten under

1716
01:28:30,667 --> 01:28:34,587
Speaker 2: the card and in now a typh for seventh with

1717
01:28:34,667 --> 01:28:37,507
Speaker 2: his great mate from Australia, min wou Lee who's also

1718
01:28:37,587 --> 01:28:40,387
Speaker 2: ten under heath through a couple of holes as well.

1719
01:28:40,827 --> 01:28:45,347
Speaker 2: Rasmus nearguard Peterson is the leader at fourteen under Sir

1720
01:28:45,467 --> 01:28:49,467
Speaker 2: Daniel Hillier, keeping himself well and truly in contention. There

1721
01:28:50,267 --> 01:28:54,347
Speaker 2: another drama filled New Zealand Derby and Football's a League

1722
01:28:54,387 --> 01:28:58,827
Speaker 2: has ended in another Auckland FC victory. Guy Goss cleat

1723
01:28:58,867 --> 01:29:02,947
Speaker 2: of feats brings Kisa and Omai and the two subs

1724
01:29:03,027 --> 01:29:07,987
Speaker 2: combining pulls it back for Reno A from Alawayommy He's

1725
01:29:08,027 --> 01:29:14,867
Speaker 2: been spectacular this afternoon. Still there for Dibrees coscreat Betty

1726
01:29:17,867 --> 01:29:23,427
Speaker 2: Door off the hinges in Auckland f C and my

1727
01:29:23,667 --> 01:29:29,187
Speaker 2: ching towards up the tarvi Va Tree, which they achieved.

1728
01:29:29,347 --> 01:29:31,747
Speaker 2: The home side, Auckland f C winning three to one,

1729
01:29:31,987 --> 01:29:36,187
Speaker 2: that's five wins from five against their rivals Wellington Phoenix.

1730
01:29:36,547 --> 01:29:38,987
Speaker 2: Lachland Brook opening the scoring early for the Black Knights

1731
01:29:38,987 --> 01:29:42,387
Speaker 2: before the Phoenix had center back man Dracer James sent

1732
01:29:42,547 --> 01:29:46,187
Speaker 2: off after thirty seconds in the second half, but Wellington

1733
01:29:46,227 --> 01:29:49,787
Speaker 2: Phoenix captain Alex Ruffer equalized with a brilliant strike. Then

1734
01:29:49,827 --> 01:29:54,307
Speaker 2: Auckland f C were awarded two penalties Wellington keeper josh Olawai.

1735
01:29:54,467 --> 01:29:56,907
Speaker 2: He saved the first one. He also saved the second,

1736
01:29:56,947 --> 01:30:00,227
Speaker 2: but the rebound fell to the taker Francis DeVries, who

1737
01:30:00,307 --> 01:30:03,667
Speaker 2: followed up to score. Gizuomo Mai made the points safe

1738
01:30:04,027 --> 01:30:07,307
Speaker 2: with ten minutes to go. Watching on in the sunshine

1739
01:30:07,427 --> 01:30:10,507
Speaker 2: at go Media Stadium among a big crowd of nearly

1740
01:30:10,587 --> 01:30:14,267
Speaker 2: twenty four thousand was former All White striker Noel Barkley,

1741
01:30:14,267 --> 01:30:16,147
Speaker 2: who joins US now. Noel, thanks for taking the time

1742
01:30:16,267 --> 01:30:19,027
Speaker 2: to break this one down for us, Although I'm not

1743
01:30:19,147 --> 01:30:21,787
Speaker 2: too sure where to start with so many talking points.

1744
01:30:22,947 --> 01:30:25,187
Speaker 2: Did Auckland FC deserve to win the game?

1745
01:30:26,867 --> 01:30:30,507
Speaker 6: I think so, but you know, there was calamity all

1746
01:30:30,627 --> 01:30:33,667
Speaker 6: the way through the game. I think one of the significant.

1747
01:30:33,467 --> 01:30:36,067
Speaker 22: Moments was I can't remember it was one or two

1748
01:30:36,107 --> 01:30:39,427
Speaker 22: to one to Auckland, when well Michael Belt came to

1749
01:30:39,507 --> 01:30:42,187
Speaker 22: pick one up and back in the middle and Phoenix

1750
01:30:42,187 --> 01:30:44,587
Speaker 22: Smith it was like a simple tap in header to

1751
01:30:44,627 --> 01:30:47,387
Speaker 22: go to two or two to one and that was

1752
01:30:47,667 --> 01:30:50,867
Speaker 22: mad changed again. But I think I mean Rufer scoring

1753
01:30:50,947 --> 01:30:53,387
Speaker 22: at one one really sort of turned the game because

1754
01:30:53,787 --> 01:30:57,027
Speaker 22: Auckland had stopped playing in that dad possession and had chances,

1755
01:30:57,187 --> 01:30:59,667
Speaker 22: but when they went back to one one, they really

1756
01:30:59,707 --> 01:31:01,827
Speaker 22: started to sort of flex the muscles. And I think

1757
01:31:01,907 --> 01:31:04,187
Speaker 22: if you look at the number of seals that Llawen,

1758
01:31:04,227 --> 01:31:07,227
Speaker 22: he mad and it is incredible. He had an absolute blind.

1759
01:31:06,947 --> 01:31:07,347
Speaker 6: Of a game.

1760
01:31:07,427 --> 01:31:09,747
Speaker 22: He'd want to obviously wanted to sort of met good

1761
01:31:09,787 --> 01:31:12,387
Speaker 22: in that very first derby where he cost the Phoenix

1762
01:31:12,467 --> 01:31:15,947
Speaker 22: the game. So a cracking game and lots of great

1763
01:31:16,027 --> 01:31:19,427
Speaker 22: individual battles and it sort of was the big disaider

1764
01:31:19,507 --> 01:31:19,867
Speaker 22: in the game.

1765
01:31:20,147 --> 01:31:22,027
Speaker 2: Indeed, Yeah, it was a real battle, and I know

1766
01:31:22,147 --> 01:31:25,147
Speaker 2: the incident you're referring to yeah, Ramy nagerine it was

1767
01:31:25,187 --> 01:31:28,787
Speaker 2: a great chance in hindsight, and Auckland almost stopped, didn't

1768
01:31:28,787 --> 01:31:30,307
Speaker 2: they as I got to the line pulled it back

1769
01:31:30,427 --> 01:31:34,227
Speaker 2: and it was quite chaotic, wasn't it? Is that a

1770
01:31:34,267 --> 01:31:35,307
Speaker 2: good word to describe it?

1771
01:31:36,427 --> 01:31:36,587
Speaker 17: Well?

1772
01:31:36,627 --> 01:31:38,947
Speaker 22: I think these derby Yeah, absolutely, I think these Derbies

1773
01:31:38,947 --> 01:31:40,827
Speaker 22: are sort of bringing something a bit special. I think

1774
01:31:40,827 --> 01:31:43,267
Speaker 22: we saw it last week too in the Sydney Derby.

1775
01:31:43,427 --> 01:31:45,507
Speaker 22: Was there wasn't lots of goals, there was lots of

1776
01:31:45,627 --> 01:31:48,547
Speaker 22: isshoes and the intensity again was a different you know,

1777
01:31:48,667 --> 01:31:52,107
Speaker 22: twenty odd thirst and people again, it just changes everything.

1778
01:31:52,507 --> 01:31:54,267
Speaker 6: And certainly the port were.

1779
01:31:54,147 --> 01:31:55,747
Speaker 22: Really up for it, as you could see with the

1780
01:31:55,867 --> 01:32:00,267
Speaker 22: tifo and the songs and the chants, so they really

1781
01:32:00,307 --> 01:32:01,907
Speaker 22: sort of came up for the moment. Good to see

1782
01:32:01,907 --> 01:32:04,187
Speaker 22: a good contingent at Wellington there. Then they were loving

1783
01:32:04,227 --> 01:32:07,667
Speaker 22: it when Alex scored. Oh yeah, the Darbies are a

1784
01:32:07,667 --> 01:32:09,027
Speaker 22: bit special, you know. I mean it was good to

1785
01:32:09,027 --> 01:32:11,427
Speaker 22: see the numbers back up again close to twenty three.

1786
01:32:11,507 --> 01:32:11,867
Speaker 6: Thirsion.

1787
01:32:12,427 --> 01:32:15,027
Speaker 22: We're in from Oakland's perspective, they've been a bit down

1788
01:32:15,347 --> 01:32:17,427
Speaker 22: and some of the performances have been a bit done

1789
01:32:17,467 --> 01:32:20,947
Speaker 22: as well. But yesterday it was business as usual, and

1790
01:32:21,067 --> 01:32:22,947
Speaker 22: I mean really yem and I think the chances that

1791
01:32:23,027 --> 01:32:25,027
Speaker 22: were messed obviously disallerged goals to.

1792
01:32:25,187 --> 01:32:29,627
Speaker 6: Penal these not taken. Yeah, game really had everything.

1793
01:32:29,787 --> 01:32:31,507
Speaker 22: Yeah, I guess it just had a little bit of

1794
01:32:31,547 --> 01:32:35,347
Speaker 22: a problem with Wellington with the fullbacks capt getting the

1795
01:32:35,427 --> 01:32:38,387
Speaker 22: ball and if they was really showing in the channels,

1796
01:32:38,747 --> 01:32:40,907
Speaker 22: But the number of times they checked out and went

1797
01:32:40,987 --> 01:32:43,747
Speaker 22: square was incredible for me. I've always watched the names

1798
01:32:44,507 --> 01:32:46,827
Speaker 22: and easy was showing in the channel all the time

1799
01:32:46,907 --> 01:32:49,067
Speaker 22: and they just needed to clip one down there and

1800
01:32:49,227 --> 01:32:51,347
Speaker 22: at least you know, they're sort of thirty forty yards

1801
01:32:51,707 --> 01:32:54,787
Speaker 22: further forward, not quite sure, and that young man must

1802
01:32:54,787 --> 01:32:56,147
Speaker 22: be pretty frustrated indeed.

1803
01:32:56,227 --> 01:32:58,787
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a good observation. They always well out

1804
01:32:58,867 --> 01:33:01,467
Speaker 2: and always seem to face forward and play forward, don't they.

1805
01:33:01,507 --> 01:33:04,067
Speaker 2: I think the Phoenix are quite quite of that state

1806
01:33:04,107 --> 01:33:07,307
Speaker 2: of mind. The penalty snow who given to walk on?

1807
01:33:07,307 --> 01:33:08,467
Speaker 2: And d f C what did you make of them?

1808
01:33:09,707 --> 01:33:10,987
Speaker 6: The first one? I had no idea.

1809
01:33:11,067 --> 01:33:13,187
Speaker 22: Obviously you mean it because that was obviously picked up

1810
01:33:13,227 --> 01:33:15,107
Speaker 22: by v I R and nobody else seemed to pick

1811
01:33:15,147 --> 01:33:17,987
Speaker 22: it up. So I mean, Virs vi Ir is your

1812
01:33:18,027 --> 01:33:21,347
Speaker 22: friend one day and your enemy the next, and not

1813
01:33:21,427 --> 01:33:22,307
Speaker 22: sure about the first one.

1814
01:33:22,387 --> 01:33:24,907
Speaker 6: The second one definitely looked like that.

1815
01:33:25,067 --> 01:33:28,147
Speaker 22: Cosgrove was certainly making the most of every situation and

1816
01:33:28,307 --> 01:33:29,707
Speaker 22: and and as a defender gets.

1817
01:33:29,507 --> 01:33:31,747
Speaker 6: Sucked in, well they deserve all the get. And I

1818
01:33:31,787 --> 01:33:34,627
Speaker 6: think that the pinnacle of the game really was.

1819
01:33:34,627 --> 01:33:39,187
Speaker 22: Decided on the Cosgrove James battle because Cosgrove definitely got

1820
01:33:39,227 --> 01:33:40,907
Speaker 22: the better of him. He's you know, there's been question

1821
01:33:40,987 --> 01:33:43,667
Speaker 22: marks about him, certainly with his hold up play and

1822
01:33:43,787 --> 01:33:44,027
Speaker 22: so on.

1823
01:33:44,227 --> 01:33:45,387
Speaker 6: He was winning a lot of flicks.

1824
01:33:45,427 --> 01:33:48,547
Speaker 22: Yesterday he sort of sucked James into, you know, a

1825
01:33:48,627 --> 01:33:51,067
Speaker 22: booking and then and then ascending off and of course

1826
01:33:51,107 --> 01:33:53,427
Speaker 22: he got booked himself, which means he suspended as well.

1827
01:33:53,507 --> 01:33:56,627
Speaker 22: So that was the big changing part of the game

1828
01:33:56,667 --> 01:33:59,507
Speaker 22: because having losing James really sort of that in Numerica

1829
01:33:59,547 --> 01:34:01,907
Speaker 22: that and he just upened made it pay. And and

1830
01:34:02,027 --> 01:34:04,187
Speaker 22: again that's in the later stages. You know, my scored

1831
01:34:04,307 --> 01:34:05,827
Speaker 22: from a from a Cosgrove flick.

1832
01:34:06,667 --> 01:34:09,267
Speaker 6: His best game. He's probably needed a good one yesterday,

1833
01:34:09,347 --> 01:34:10,467
Speaker 6: and he was.

1834
01:34:10,507 --> 01:34:13,507
Speaker 22: Very influential and this sounds a bit happy with them

1835
01:34:13,547 --> 01:34:14,187
Speaker 22: what they have been.

1836
01:34:14,387 --> 01:34:17,307
Speaker 2: Indeed, and Lachland Brooke went into a slightly different role

1837
01:34:17,347 --> 01:34:20,587
Speaker 2: for him in that number ten, Logan Rogerson starting, which

1838
01:34:20,587 --> 01:34:22,427
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people were very happy to see.

1839
01:34:22,987 --> 01:34:25,067
Speaker 2: Did you like that brook and the teen and Rogerson

1840
01:34:25,107 --> 01:34:26,107
Speaker 2: back in the starting side.

1841
01:34:27,027 --> 01:34:29,987
Speaker 22: I can never understand why Rogerson didn't start at the

1842
01:34:30,027 --> 01:34:32,147
Speaker 22: start of the season. He had such a fantastic year

1843
01:34:32,227 --> 01:34:34,667
Speaker 22: last year and I always seen him as a as

1844
01:34:34,707 --> 01:34:37,227
Speaker 22: a as an All White squad member and hasn't helped

1845
01:34:37,267 --> 01:34:40,267
Speaker 22: himself of course in Wellington getting sent off, so very

1846
01:34:40,307 --> 01:34:42,027
Speaker 22: place to see him come back in. He seemed to

1847
01:34:42,067 --> 01:34:44,187
Speaker 22: link up well with Cam Eyot again I thought had

1848
01:34:44,227 --> 01:34:47,867
Speaker 22: a super game and Brooke he's got you know, he's

1849
01:34:47,947 --> 01:34:50,667
Speaker 22: very clever and very good on the ball, and I

1850
01:34:50,787 --> 01:34:53,187
Speaker 22: quite liked him in the ten. Obviously didn't work so

1851
01:34:53,307 --> 01:34:56,347
Speaker 22: good last week with Cam howits and he's got a

1852
01:34:56,387 --> 01:34:57,467
Speaker 22: little bit more Criss Brooks.

1853
01:34:57,467 --> 01:34:58,587
Speaker 6: So we like the changes.

1854
01:34:59,187 --> 01:35:00,947
Speaker 22: I like to see my coming up Maya as the

1855
01:35:01,387 --> 01:35:04,467
Speaker 22: as the game breaker for Oakland and having him fit

1856
01:35:04,587 --> 01:35:06,947
Speaker 22: and having him link up with Cosgover. The White Men's

1857
01:35:06,987 --> 01:35:11,347
Speaker 22: definitely the way forward. They're weird that the draw is weird,

1858
01:35:11,427 --> 01:35:13,587
Speaker 22: you know. Auckland and I have five away games out

1859
01:35:13,627 --> 01:35:15,547
Speaker 22: of six. I don't quite know what they're doing with

1860
01:35:15,667 --> 01:35:17,787
Speaker 22: the draw or Wellington's seemed to be home and away,

1861
01:35:17,827 --> 01:35:20,027
Speaker 22: home and away, So yeah, that's going to be tough

1862
01:35:20,227 --> 01:35:22,707
Speaker 22: and be interesting to see where they sit in six

1863
01:35:22,787 --> 01:35:23,227
Speaker 22: weeks time.

1864
01:35:23,547 --> 01:35:25,987
Speaker 2: It has been something of an inconsistent last couple of

1865
01:35:26,067 --> 01:35:28,267
Speaker 2: weeks for Auckland. F see a drawer against Brisbane, the

1866
01:35:28,307 --> 01:35:31,707
Speaker 2: lost in Newcastle, albeit in torrential rune last week. Now

1867
01:35:31,827 --> 01:35:33,987
Speaker 2: did yes, did I feel like they were getting back

1868
01:35:34,347 --> 01:35:36,427
Speaker 2: to the form we saw from them last season?

1869
01:35:37,867 --> 01:35:38,107
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1870
01:35:38,307 --> 01:35:39,867
Speaker 22: I think you could just see it after the game

1871
01:35:39,947 --> 01:35:42,867
Speaker 22: on people's faces, you know, in people like Ali and

1872
01:35:43,027 --> 01:35:45,667
Speaker 22: they were just bouncing yesterday in the in the lounge

1873
01:35:45,707 --> 01:35:47,987
Speaker 22: after the game. And we haven't seen that this year.

1874
01:35:48,027 --> 01:35:49,987
Speaker 22: I mean even the wins have been a bit scrappy.

1875
01:35:50,187 --> 01:35:52,747
Speaker 22: So yeah, there was definitely the signs and again that

1876
01:35:52,867 --> 01:35:55,627
Speaker 22: affected the crowd came out and probably quite good. Did

1877
01:35:55,667 --> 01:35:57,947
Speaker 22: they get a break after having three at home? Not

1878
01:35:58,107 --> 01:36:00,547
Speaker 22: easy for a club to keep the numbers up, So yeah,

1879
01:36:00,587 --> 01:36:03,467
Speaker 22: there was there was the signs. Competition for places now

1880
01:36:03,707 --> 01:36:06,787
Speaker 22: in the Auckland team, you know, Gallias not getting game,

1881
01:36:06,947 --> 01:36:10,667
Speaker 22: not getting a start, and lots of options in wide players.

1882
01:36:10,787 --> 01:36:13,667
Speaker 22: Rogerson back playing he'll start again next week. I can't imagine,

1883
01:36:13,707 --> 01:36:15,267
Speaker 22: and I really like to see him have a bit

1884
01:36:15,307 --> 01:36:18,987
Speaker 22: of a run and push his way into that World

1885
01:36:18,987 --> 01:36:20,067
Speaker 22: Cup that we're all waiting.

1886
01:36:19,867 --> 01:36:21,227
Speaker 2: For and day don't want to get to that in

1887
01:36:21,267 --> 01:36:23,867
Speaker 2: the second actually, But just on the derby, Steve Carriker,

1888
01:36:23,907 --> 01:36:28,747
Speaker 2: Auckland FC head coach, intentionally embraces the magnitude of these games.

1889
01:36:28,787 --> 01:36:31,147
Speaker 2: He's not of the school of thought art. You know,

1890
01:36:31,227 --> 01:36:33,507
Speaker 2: they're all games are the same, it's just another three points.

1891
01:36:33,827 --> 01:36:36,107
Speaker 2: Do you like the fact that he embraces the Derby's

1892
01:36:36,187 --> 01:36:38,907
Speaker 2: the way he does well? I think that comes from

1893
01:36:39,067 --> 01:36:39,947
Speaker 2: who he is really.

1894
01:36:40,027 --> 01:36:42,827
Speaker 22: You know, he's a winner and when you hear him speak,

1895
01:36:42,867 --> 01:36:45,907
Speaker 22: he's very passionate about every game. But you know, having

1896
01:36:45,987 --> 01:36:48,747
Speaker 22: come from Sydney and experienced the whole, you know the

1897
01:36:48,827 --> 01:36:51,187
Speaker 22: Sydney Derby thing where you know it is massive.

1898
01:36:51,267 --> 01:36:52,147
Speaker 6: You know, they.

1899
01:36:51,987 --> 01:36:54,667
Speaker 22: Absolutely detest each other. I don't think we're quite at

1900
01:36:54,707 --> 01:36:58,107
Speaker 22: that stages in New Zealand. Most of the Auckland fans

1901
01:36:58,147 --> 01:36:59,627
Speaker 22: still support the Phoenix in some way.

1902
01:37:00,427 --> 01:37:01,947
Speaker 6: But yeah, look he.

1903
01:37:02,427 --> 01:37:05,147
Speaker 22: Loves it and he fires the players that we actually

1904
01:37:05,147 --> 01:37:07,347
Speaker 22: bumped into Louis for Stratton during the week at a

1905
01:37:07,387 --> 01:37:10,227
Speaker 22: restaurant and funny he was just saying, Oh, we're up

1906
01:37:10,267 --> 01:37:11,947
Speaker 22: for it, we really want to win this, and that

1907
01:37:12,067 --> 01:37:14,227
Speaker 22: was that was interesting because he's quite a quiet lad

1908
01:37:14,747 --> 01:37:18,067
Speaker 22: and we walked away with the impression that it was

1909
01:37:18,067 --> 01:37:20,307
Speaker 22: all going to happen. And so then so, yeah, Carter's

1910
01:37:20,347 --> 01:37:22,467
Speaker 22: done a great job in those derbies, five in a

1911
01:37:22,627 --> 01:37:25,547
Speaker 22: row for it's going to be tough. And what is

1912
01:37:25,587 --> 01:37:27,747
Speaker 22: it sort of like twenty second of February or something

1913
01:37:27,787 --> 01:37:27,947
Speaker 22: like that.

1914
01:37:28,147 --> 01:37:30,827
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think the Fighters will eva win one

1915
01:37:30,907 --> 01:37:31,227
Speaker 2: of these?

1916
01:37:31,907 --> 01:37:35,987
Speaker 6: Yeah, they will. It's inevitable, it'll happen.

1917
01:37:36,827 --> 01:37:39,707
Speaker 22: But you know, I think that if you know, certainly

1918
01:37:39,747 --> 01:37:42,387
Speaker 22: with the game down there again, they need to get

1919
01:37:42,427 --> 01:37:45,147
Speaker 22: people along, They need to get people on board. They've

1920
01:37:45,147 --> 01:37:46,947
Speaker 22: got a couple of home games now, I think fairly,

1921
01:37:47,107 --> 01:37:49,867
Speaker 22: you know it is it Kentra Coast and Jets games

1922
01:37:49,907 --> 01:37:52,147
Speaker 22: that you know winnable again. They need to start winning

1923
01:37:52,187 --> 01:37:53,907
Speaker 22: those games if they're going to start of you know,

1924
01:37:54,267 --> 01:37:57,867
Speaker 22: the GET numbers are really awful and we all want

1925
01:37:57,947 --> 01:38:00,107
Speaker 22: them to be up around the ten thousand mark. There's

1926
01:38:00,147 --> 01:38:03,147
Speaker 22: no reason why it shouldn't be. Yeah, yesterday was a

1927
01:38:03,187 --> 01:38:04,987
Speaker 22: bit disappointed because I thought they could have done more.

1928
01:38:05,067 --> 01:38:07,467
Speaker 22: I mean to here really, like in the first few weeks,

1929
01:38:07,507 --> 01:38:09,507
Speaker 22: the sort of went a bit missing. Yesterday he did nothing.

1930
01:38:10,387 --> 01:38:12,347
Speaker 22: I prefer them out wide where he can actually sort

1931
01:38:12,387 --> 01:38:14,747
Speaker 22: of clip balls down their land and get some crosses into.

1932
01:38:14,547 --> 01:38:16,787
Speaker 6: The likes that they see. He sort of went missing

1933
01:38:16,827 --> 01:38:17,067
Speaker 6: from me.

1934
01:38:17,947 --> 01:38:20,507
Speaker 22: But I think they're better than that, and and they've

1935
01:38:20,547 --> 01:38:23,187
Speaker 22: got some good young players, but they need they need

1936
01:38:23,267 --> 01:38:24,987
Speaker 22: to be a little bit more direct and getting the

1937
01:38:25,027 --> 01:38:25,627
Speaker 22: ball forward.

1938
01:38:25,987 --> 01:38:27,827
Speaker 2: And you alluded to it before, nol. Yeah, five of

1939
01:38:27,867 --> 01:38:30,907
Speaker 2: Walkland FC's next six games are in Australia. They're back

1940
01:38:30,947 --> 01:38:33,067
Speaker 2: for one game on New Year'sday against the Jets. Otherwise

1941
01:38:33,067 --> 01:38:35,067
Speaker 2: they're away for the best part of the next six

1942
01:38:35,147 --> 01:38:37,947
Speaker 2: to seven weeks. I guess the positive is they'll have

1943
01:38:38,067 --> 01:38:39,747
Speaker 2: time together on the road, which is always good for

1944
01:38:39,827 --> 01:38:41,827
Speaker 2: team bonding. But it will present a challenge mind up

1945
01:38:41,827 --> 01:38:42,867
Speaker 2: with all that travel.

1946
01:38:45,067 --> 01:38:45,187
Speaker 6: You know.

1947
01:38:45,227 --> 01:38:47,267
Speaker 22: And they're not easy games either. You know, they've got

1948
01:38:47,307 --> 01:38:51,027
Speaker 22: some tough ones and that Sydney and as well. Yeah,

1949
01:38:51,067 --> 01:38:53,827
Speaker 22: but I think it worked in their favor last year

1950
01:38:53,867 --> 01:38:55,867
Speaker 22: with having all the home games early on, and that

1951
01:38:55,987 --> 01:38:57,787
Speaker 22: meant they've got you know, lots of wins and a

1952
01:38:57,827 --> 01:38:59,867
Speaker 22: bit of the lead, which we ended up needing in

1953
01:38:59,947 --> 01:39:02,947
Speaker 22: the end, but certainly, certainly it'll be a bit of

1954
01:39:03,067 --> 01:39:05,587
Speaker 22: test and you know, obviously cosgo vout next game. I

1955
01:39:05,667 --> 01:39:08,987
Speaker 22: think the injury suspensions start to be an issue, and

1956
01:39:09,067 --> 01:39:11,147
Speaker 22: it's harder going to Australia. I mean, even though they

1957
01:39:11,227 --> 01:39:14,587
Speaker 22: go to three days early and it's just different, you know,

1958
01:39:15,467 --> 01:39:17,227
Speaker 22: But you know, I think it'd be it'll be you

1959
01:39:17,227 --> 01:39:19,267
Speaker 22: a couple of draws and went here and there, and

1960
01:39:19,387 --> 01:39:21,547
Speaker 22: I think they'll be sort of still in that comfortably

1961
01:39:21,627 --> 01:39:24,107
Speaker 22: sort of one two three position when they get some

1962
01:39:24,227 --> 01:39:25,947
Speaker 22: home games early in the new year, all.

1963
01:39:25,907 --> 01:39:27,627
Speaker 2: Right, And just to finish the all Whites World Cup

1964
01:39:27,667 --> 01:39:32,227
Speaker 2: group confirmed yesterday of course Iran, Egypt and Belgium. How

1965
01:39:32,267 --> 01:39:34,707
Speaker 2: do you judge the your wat's ability to get out

1966
01:39:34,747 --> 01:39:35,227
Speaker 2: of that group.

1967
01:39:36,907 --> 01:39:39,587
Speaker 6: I love the draw, Jason, I absolutely love the draw.

1968
01:39:40,187 --> 01:39:41,067
Speaker 6: I love the locations.

1969
01:39:41,107 --> 01:39:44,747
Speaker 22: It's two locations, it's get easy flat to La and yes,

1970
01:39:44,987 --> 01:39:48,347
Speaker 22: yes it's a fans dream really and and you know,

1971
01:39:48,467 --> 01:39:51,147
Speaker 22: all of a sudden it's become affordable. So I would

1972
01:39:51,187 --> 01:39:52,667
Speaker 22: love to think that there'd be lots of key Wes

1973
01:39:52,667 --> 01:39:54,587
Speaker 22: thinking well I might go to this now, whereas before

1974
01:39:54,707 --> 01:39:57,387
Speaker 22: you could be all over the show and the teams.

1975
01:39:57,427 --> 01:39:59,787
Speaker 22: You hell, at Belgium, we know, but you know they're

1976
01:40:00,027 --> 01:40:03,307
Speaker 22: on the slide a little bit around, you know, obviously

1977
01:40:03,427 --> 01:40:05,427
Speaker 22: that's that's that's the game. You want to pick the

1978
01:40:05,507 --> 01:40:08,027
Speaker 22: win and maybe you try and get a draw against Egypt.

1979
01:40:08,307 --> 01:40:10,867
Speaker 22: So yeah, very positive in lad of our performances in

1980
01:40:10,947 --> 01:40:13,947
Speaker 22: the last basically the last sort of twelve to eighteen months.

1981
01:40:14,427 --> 01:40:16,307
Speaker 22: I think that we're don't fear of those two teams

1982
01:40:16,507 --> 01:40:18,787
Speaker 22: and we you know, we get Woodsy fat hopefully, and

1983
01:40:19,227 --> 01:40:22,267
Speaker 22: we just need to set us eleven players on the

1984
01:40:22,347 --> 01:40:24,747
Speaker 22: pitch and I think we give we give a really

1985
01:40:24,747 --> 01:40:27,747
Speaker 22: good account of ourselves. And when I'm reading today that

1986
01:40:27,867 --> 01:40:29,947
Speaker 22: we come second in Australia comes second, we play them

1987
01:40:29,987 --> 01:40:32,427
Speaker 22: in their own thirty two game, which would be incredible.

1988
01:40:32,707 --> 01:40:34,787
Speaker 2: How good would that be in the World Cup? Exciting

1989
01:40:35,227 --> 01:40:37,787
Speaker 2: times ahead, incredible nol thanks for joining us today with

1990
01:40:37,867 --> 01:40:40,067
Speaker 2: your analysis, so I look forward to catching up again.

1991
01:40:39,947 --> 01:40:41,067
Speaker 6: Soon, treasured Painty.

1992
01:40:41,187 --> 01:40:43,427
Speaker 2: Thanks mate. That is Noel Barkley, their former All White

1993
01:40:43,467 --> 01:40:47,187
Speaker 2: striker and a vary astute analyst of the game of football.

1994
01:40:47,547 --> 01:40:50,187
Speaker 2: A bit more from the darby Steve Coricker and John

1995
01:40:50,227 --> 01:40:54,227
Speaker 2: Callowertaliana of course, did their post Match Media. Steve Coricker

1996
01:40:54,307 --> 01:40:58,267
Speaker 2: aukor left C coach was asked about his emotions when

1997
01:40:58,387 --> 01:41:02,747
Speaker 2: Alex Rufer put a ten man Wellington Phoenix back level

1998
01:41:02,867 --> 01:41:05,467
Speaker 2: with his equalizer after fifty five minutes.

1999
01:41:06,067 --> 01:41:10,067
Speaker 25: Frush right about that, because you know Lewis Strade should

2000
01:41:10,067 --> 01:41:12,387
Speaker 25: have cleared the ball, Lockey Brooks should have cleared it,

2001
01:41:12,707 --> 01:41:16,627
Speaker 25: and then you know it was a good finish. But yeah,

2002
01:41:16,667 --> 01:41:18,627
Speaker 25: there there was that little bit of sloveness crept in

2003
01:41:18,707 --> 01:41:21,067
Speaker 25: after they went down to ten men, which I didn't like,

2004
01:41:23,147 --> 01:41:25,547
Speaker 25: but yeah it happened and we got on with her

2005
01:41:26,627 --> 01:41:29,067
Speaker 25: and obviously we got the It was a good.

2006
01:41:28,947 --> 01:41:29,587
Speaker 21: Win in the end.

2007
01:41:29,907 --> 01:41:34,067
Speaker 25: It's another Darbing wins, very pleasing. Scored three goals. Good

2008
01:41:34,627 --> 01:41:39,027
Speaker 25: Lockie's goal was excellent. I think Logan had a very

2009
01:41:39,067 --> 01:41:42,947
Speaker 25: good game. It could have him back and Samue's causing

2010
01:41:43,027 --> 01:41:45,307
Speaker 25: havoc for him up top us where the two pens

2011
01:41:45,387 --> 01:41:45,707
Speaker 25: came from.

2012
01:41:45,947 --> 01:41:47,787
Speaker 2: Plenty of talking points in the second half, just on

2013
01:41:47,907 --> 01:41:49,867
Speaker 2: the two penalties and also the red card two men

2014
01:41:49,987 --> 01:41:52,507
Speaker 2: Draker James early in the second half. What did Steve

2015
01:41:52,587 --> 01:41:54,427
Speaker 2: Corriker make of those incidents.

2016
01:41:54,627 --> 01:42:00,467
Speaker 25: I think it's a red card definitely, Yeah, he's throw

2017
01:42:00,507 --> 01:42:03,827
Speaker 25: on goal it was outside the box obviously, but to

2018
01:42:03,907 --> 01:42:08,587
Speaker 25: be honest, the two the two penalties I didn't really.

2019
01:42:08,427 --> 01:42:10,067
Speaker 2: See, so I can't really comment on.

2020
01:42:10,627 --> 01:42:13,387
Speaker 25: Obviously, they looked at him afterwards, and you know, we

2021
01:42:13,507 --> 01:42:19,707
Speaker 25: got the in favor, our first penalty ever, two penalties

2022
01:42:19,787 --> 01:42:21,947
Speaker 25: and we missed both of them. So it's not a

2023
01:42:21,987 --> 01:42:24,587
Speaker 25: good track record, is it. But it was nice that

2024
01:42:24,707 --> 01:42:27,467
Speaker 25: Francis obviously got the rebound and tucked it away.

2025
01:42:27,587 --> 01:42:29,787
Speaker 2: So what about Giancarlo a Taliana, What did he make,

2026
01:42:29,827 --> 01:42:32,827
Speaker 2: the Wellington Phoenix coach, of the two penalties awarded against

2027
01:42:32,867 --> 01:42:35,307
Speaker 2: his side, Well, I think the first one with was

2028
01:42:35,347 --> 01:42:35,787
Speaker 2: a pen.

2029
01:42:37,547 --> 01:42:40,347
Speaker 28: From I mean I didn't see it until after they

2030
01:42:41,107 --> 01:42:43,307
Speaker 28: gave the pen so I only saw the first incidant.

2031
01:42:43,307 --> 01:42:45,627
Speaker 28: It looked like they he grabbed from behind it and

2032
01:42:45,907 --> 01:42:48,947
Speaker 28: from my understanding, grabbing and you know, falling on a

2033
01:42:48,987 --> 01:42:53,267
Speaker 28: player with intention is a foul. Straight away, I felt

2034
01:42:53,267 --> 01:42:56,187
Speaker 28: as though, okay, that's that's fair. But the second one,

2035
01:42:56,507 --> 01:43:00,667
Speaker 28: I mean, Sam and Dan don't even know where the

2036
01:43:00,747 --> 01:43:05,187
Speaker 28: ball is. You know, Dan's half the size of Sam

2037
01:43:05,347 --> 01:43:06,867
Speaker 28: and Sam's already the ground.

2038
01:43:07,507 --> 01:43:09,267
Speaker 15: I just felt like that was really soft, you know,

2039
01:43:09,467 --> 01:43:12,227
Speaker 15: like I just again, you know, so minimal contact.

2040
01:43:12,507 --> 01:43:15,667
Speaker 2: So there were the two coaches. Finally from Steve Coricker,

2041
01:43:16,027 --> 01:43:19,427
Speaker 2: winning three to one and bouncing back from two games

2042
01:43:19,467 --> 01:43:22,187
Speaker 2: without a win. Was it their best attacking performance of

2043
01:43:22,267 --> 01:43:22,707
Speaker 2: the season.

2044
01:43:23,067 --> 01:43:25,627
Speaker 25: Yes, at times I think we looked really really good.

2045
01:43:25,667 --> 01:43:27,507
Speaker 25: But also they had ten men in the second half

2046
01:43:27,587 --> 01:43:30,587
Speaker 25: I think, so maybe that helped us well. But yeah,

2047
01:43:30,627 --> 01:43:33,627
Speaker 25: it was a little bit free flowing. It was nice

2048
01:43:33,707 --> 01:43:36,787
Speaker 25: to see obviously, you know, the first goal was was great,

2049
01:43:38,347 --> 01:43:41,587
Speaker 25: really pleased with the way they performed in the first half.

2050
01:43:41,707 --> 01:43:44,507
Speaker 25: That was the most important thing that we didn't concede

2051
01:43:44,547 --> 01:43:47,947
Speaker 25: in the first half and we defended really well. We

2052
01:43:48,067 --> 01:43:51,987
Speaker 25: got our goal and just got a little bit sloppy,

2053
01:43:52,067 --> 01:43:53,587
Speaker 25: like I said, when they went down to ten men

2054
01:43:53,667 --> 01:43:55,827
Speaker 25: and gave on that opportunity, and they had one other

2055
01:43:56,107 --> 01:43:58,787
Speaker 25: opportunity as well to actually level I think the level

2056
01:43:58,787 --> 01:44:02,307
Speaker 25: of the game up. You know, they would have been

2057
01:44:02,387 --> 01:44:03,267
Speaker 25: interested into that one.

2058
01:44:03,347 --> 01:44:06,827
Speaker 2: In there's Steve Coricker and also Gian Calotaliana, head coaches

2059
01:44:06,867 --> 01:44:09,987
Speaker 2: of Auckland FC and Wellington Phoenix respectively. So the win

2060
01:44:10,067 --> 01:44:12,627
Speaker 2: for Auckland f C took them for the meantime anyway

2061
01:44:12,667 --> 01:44:14,627
Speaker 2: to the top of the table. Sydney FC also won

2062
01:44:14,707 --> 01:44:16,227
Speaker 2: last night, so they've gone back to the top. They

2063
01:44:16,307 --> 01:44:19,627
Speaker 2: have fifteen points to Auckland f C's fourteen. The Phoenix

2064
01:44:19,667 --> 01:44:22,747
Speaker 2: stay outside the top six just they are seventh at

2065
01:44:22,787 --> 01:44:26,267
Speaker 2: the moment on eight points. And the Phoenix women back

2066
01:44:26,307 --> 01:44:28,747
Speaker 2: in action this afternoon from five o'clock. They are away

2067
01:44:28,907 --> 01:44:32,667
Speaker 2: at Melbourne City looking to get a springboard from their

2068
01:44:32,747 --> 01:44:35,187
Speaker 2: first win of the season a week ago when they

2069
01:44:35,307 --> 01:44:38,867
Speaker 2: beat Melbourne Victory two twenty eight. Let's update you from

2070
01:44:39,187 --> 01:44:42,027
Speaker 2: the golf. Daniel Hilly is still registering a score of

2071
01:44:42,107 --> 01:44:45,907
Speaker 2: ten under par. He is through just two holes, a

2072
01:44:45,947 --> 01:44:48,627
Speaker 2: bogie and a birdie today for Daniel Hilly ten under

2073
01:44:48,787 --> 01:44:52,707
Speaker 2: four shots off the lead. Scrolling down to find Ryan Fox,

2074
01:44:52,827 --> 01:44:55,267
Speaker 2: he is one over throughout eight holes. He dropped back

2075
01:44:55,307 --> 01:44:57,707
Speaker 2: to fight under the card. He is in a tie

2076
01:44:57,867 --> 01:45:01,227
Speaker 2: for twenty third. When we come back, we'll head down

2077
01:45:01,387 --> 01:45:04,507
Speaker 2: to christ Church where the Black Cats are about to depart.

2078
01:45:05,107 --> 01:45:08,307
Speaker 2: After unsuccessful toiling away yesterday to try and get the

2079
01:45:08,347 --> 01:45:11,427
Speaker 2: West Indies out. Couldn't do it. First Test drawn. Second

2080
01:45:11,507 --> 01:45:13,627
Speaker 2: Test starts on Wednesday at the base in Reserve. Zach

2081
01:45:13,707 --> 01:45:16,907
Speaker 2: Folks played his first Test on home soil on his

2082
01:45:17,067 --> 01:45:19,667
Speaker 2: home ground. How does he reflect on yesterday? He is

2083
01:45:19,707 --> 01:45:21,387
Speaker 2: with us right after this one.

2084
01:45:21,587 --> 01:45:26,787
Speaker 1: Crutch Hold Engage Weekend Sport with Jason Pain and GJ.

2085
01:45:26,987 --> 01:45:30,427
Speaker 1: Gunnerhomes New Zealand's first trusted home Milder News Talk.

2086
01:45:30,307 --> 01:45:32,427
Speaker 2: To B twenty eight to three. The first New Zealand

2087
01:45:32,467 --> 01:45:34,627
Speaker 2: West Indies cricket Test has finished in a drawer in

2088
01:45:34,747 --> 01:45:37,667
Speaker 2: christ Church, the Windy's finishing four fifty seven for six,

2089
01:45:38,227 --> 01:45:40,067
Speaker 2: seventy four run short of what would have been a

2090
01:45:40,147 --> 01:45:43,627
Speaker 2: world record chase of five hundred and thirty one. As

2091
01:45:43,667 --> 01:45:46,627
Speaker 2: it was the four fifty seven for six the second

2092
01:45:46,747 --> 01:45:50,507
Speaker 2: highest fourth innings ever in the history of Test cricket.

2093
01:45:50,547 --> 01:45:53,547
Speaker 2: It was against a depleted black Caps attack no Matt

2094
01:45:53,627 --> 01:45:56,427
Speaker 2: Henry and no Nathan Smith on the final day. They

2095
01:45:56,587 --> 01:46:00,947
Speaker 2: toiled hard in blustery conditions, but the Windy's unshakable, Justin

2096
01:46:01,067 --> 01:46:04,507
Speaker 2: Graves completing a career best innings of two hundred and

2097
01:46:04,707 --> 01:46:08,227
Speaker 2: two not out. Keemar Rode also scored his highest evertes

2098
01:46:08,267 --> 01:46:11,907
Speaker 2: score fifty eight. They added an unbroken one hundred and

2099
01:46:12,267 --> 01:46:15,267
Speaker 2: eighty for the seventh wicket. That was after rookie pace

2100
01:46:15,347 --> 01:46:19,467
Speaker 2: bowler Zach Folks had dismissed Tevin Imlak cheaply.

2101
01:46:22,587 --> 01:46:25,667
Speaker 27: Given quickly given by umpire rifle.

2102
01:46:26,987 --> 01:46:32,707
Speaker 29: All three reds got a delivery from Zach Folks. Good

2103
01:46:32,787 --> 01:46:37,627
Speaker 29: standing delivery, beautiful sam visitation, swings back sharp, Zach Folks

2104
01:46:37,787 --> 01:46:38,507
Speaker 29: with the breakthrough.

2105
01:46:38,867 --> 01:46:40,907
Speaker 2: Zach Folks is with us the wind. He spanned for

2106
01:46:40,987 --> 01:46:43,747
Speaker 2: what one hundred and sixty three overs in their second

2107
01:46:43,787 --> 01:46:45,587
Speaker 2: and in Zach that is a long time to be

2108
01:46:45,667 --> 01:46:48,107
Speaker 2: out in the field and you bowled thirty three of

2109
01:46:48,187 --> 01:46:51,547
Speaker 2: those overs. Has the body today, Yeah, bodies a little

2110
01:46:51,587 --> 01:46:51,947
Speaker 2: bit sore.

2111
01:46:52,067 --> 01:46:54,187
Speaker 4: I think Duff had about ten overs on me as well,

2112
01:46:54,307 --> 01:46:56,947
Speaker 4: so I'm sure he's woken up a bit worse for

2113
01:46:57,067 --> 01:46:57,787
Speaker 4: as morning as are.

2114
01:46:58,147 --> 01:47:01,387
Speaker 2: How challenging was it knowing both Matt Henry and Nathan

2115
01:47:01,467 --> 01:47:03,867
Speaker 2: Smith would be unable to bowl on the final day.

2116
01:47:04,987 --> 01:47:07,267
Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously you never want to see guys go down.

2117
01:47:08,227 --> 01:47:12,707
Speaker 4: We also had tom tom Blundell out as well, so

2118
01:47:12,827 --> 01:47:15,867
Speaker 4: Tommy had to had to be behind the stumps. I

2119
01:47:15,947 --> 01:47:17,547
Speaker 4: think he was on the field for the last three

2120
01:47:17,627 --> 01:47:20,307
Speaker 4: days of that Test match. So here's a few few

2121
01:47:20,347 --> 01:47:23,347
Speaker 4: wounded soldiers this morning, but we'll look to recover the

2122
01:47:23,427 --> 01:47:25,107
Speaker 4: next few days and then go again in Wellington.

2123
01:47:25,387 --> 01:47:27,867
Speaker 2: Of course, and usual circumstances you wouldn't have had to

2124
01:47:27,907 --> 01:47:30,747
Speaker 2: bowl that many overs. So at the start of yesterday,

2125
01:47:30,787 --> 01:47:32,907
Speaker 2: how did you prepare yourself knowing that it was going

2126
01:47:32,987 --> 01:47:35,427
Speaker 2: to be a heavier workload for you.

2127
01:47:36,507 --> 01:47:39,187
Speaker 4: Yeah, we knew it was going to be a tough flog. Obviously,

2128
01:47:39,267 --> 01:47:42,667
Speaker 4: that second new ball was pretty crucial, and yeah we

2129
01:47:42,707 --> 01:47:45,787
Speaker 4: didn't didn't really we got two with it, but yeah,

2130
01:47:45,787 --> 01:47:48,347
Speaker 4: it didn't really get to get the in roads that

2131
01:47:48,427 --> 01:47:51,787
Speaker 4: we would have liked. But yeah, it's great toil from

2132
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Speaker 4: Duff and brace well bowling. I think best bowled fifty

2133
01:47:55,627 --> 01:47:58,707
Speaker 4: fifty something sets, which was outstanding.

2134
01:47:58,907 --> 01:48:00,747
Speaker 2: When you're out there and it is to for Gould.

2135
01:48:00,787 --> 01:48:02,827
Speaker 2: It was a belter of a pitch on on day five.

2136
01:48:03,067 --> 01:48:05,827
Speaker 2: You know, hard to get any assistance as a pace bowler.

2137
01:48:05,867 --> 01:48:09,027
Speaker 2: What is your mindset as you're running in ball after ball,

2138
01:48:09,227 --> 01:48:11,627
Speaker 2: over after over, just trying to you know, trying to

2139
01:48:11,667 --> 01:48:12,467
Speaker 2: find that breakthrough.

2140
01:48:13,547 --> 01:48:15,507
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we went through a few different plans.

2141
01:48:16,107 --> 01:48:18,827
Speaker 4: We had straight fields for a little bit and then yeah,

2142
01:48:18,827 --> 01:48:22,467
Speaker 4: a little bit of dounce of stuff majority from Duff.

2143
01:48:23,907 --> 01:48:25,227
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think it was a great cricket work.

2144
01:48:25,387 --> 01:48:28,107
Speaker 4: We saw on day one and two a lot in

2145
01:48:28,187 --> 01:48:29,987
Speaker 4: it for the bowlers and then sort of swung around

2146
01:48:30,067 --> 01:48:32,187
Speaker 4: and the baddest favor of the last two and a

2147
01:48:32,227 --> 01:48:35,787
Speaker 4: half days. Yes, I think a great, great cricket work

2148
01:48:35,787 --> 01:48:38,027
Speaker 4: at barn at Hagley.

2149
01:48:38,547 --> 01:48:41,107
Speaker 2: In hindsight, you know, I know it's always twenty twenty,

2150
01:48:41,147 --> 01:48:44,027
Speaker 2: but could you have done anything differently as a team yesterday?

2151
01:48:45,187 --> 01:48:48,027
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think obviously the standout as we dropped dropped

2152
01:48:48,027 --> 01:48:52,987
Speaker 4: a couple of catches. Myself guilty as well, Yeah, which

2153
01:48:53,067 --> 01:48:57,507
Speaker 4: is obviously a shame. We created doubtunis but just didn't

2154
01:48:57,547 --> 01:48:59,707
Speaker 4: quite get it right on the day which was a

2155
01:48:59,747 --> 01:49:02,147
Speaker 4: little bit of shame. But yeah, I think curn't really

2156
01:49:02,187 --> 01:49:05,587
Speaker 4: fault the effort of all the guys. Yeah's tough slog

2157
01:49:05,627 --> 01:49:08,987
Speaker 4: out there to the end. They betted very very well

2158
01:49:09,627 --> 01:49:14,067
Speaker 4: Shay and Justin and then yeah, at the end of

2159
01:49:14,067 --> 01:49:16,827
Speaker 4: the a keema as well facing serny five or something

2160
01:49:17,467 --> 01:49:20,147
Speaker 4: balls where they run at the end, which was seriously impressive.

2161
01:49:20,627 --> 01:49:22,467
Speaker 2: Josh, your second Test match, of course, your first in

2162
01:49:22,547 --> 01:49:24,467
Speaker 2: New Zealand. How special a moment.

2163
01:49:24,347 --> 01:49:27,747
Speaker 4: Was it for you? Yeah? It was awesome, family and

2164
01:49:27,827 --> 01:49:32,147
Speaker 4: friends watching, Yeah, it was a great occasion. Just been

2165
01:49:32,147 --> 01:49:34,947
Speaker 4: around my parents' house and there they had a great

2166
01:49:34,987 --> 01:49:38,347
Speaker 4: week at the Hagley Oval, don't think Dad missed the ball,

2167
01:49:38,427 --> 01:49:42,267
Speaker 4: which was awesome, and then Mum, mum and brothers yeah,

2168
01:49:42,387 --> 01:49:45,027
Speaker 4: came and watched grandparents. Yeah, it was awesome to have

2169
01:49:45,187 --> 01:49:45,787
Speaker 4: them down there.

2170
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Speaker 6: Love that.

2171
01:49:46,667 --> 01:49:48,587
Speaker 2: Love that man, that's so cool. We saw your debu

2172
01:49:48,707 --> 01:49:51,147
Speaker 2: of course for New Zealand and the white ball sides

2173
01:49:51,187 --> 01:49:53,507
Speaker 2: last year. How keen have you been to be an

2174
01:49:53,667 --> 01:49:55,427
Speaker 2: all format cricketer for New Zealand?

2175
01:49:56,507 --> 01:49:58,467
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I definitely put Red Bull up the

2176
01:49:58,547 --> 01:50:01,507
Speaker 4: top of my priority. I think there's nothing better than

2177
01:50:01,547 --> 01:50:05,347
Speaker 4: a hard fought Red Bull win. Yeah, and hopefully I

2178
01:50:05,427 --> 01:50:09,547
Speaker 4: can contribute to winning Test match cricket in the next

2179
01:50:09,707 --> 01:50:10,507
Speaker 4: next couple of games.

2180
01:50:10,667 --> 01:50:12,027
Speaker 2: Do you like the basin you were to bowl a

2181
01:50:12,067 --> 01:50:14,507
Speaker 2: few times domesticly? Do you like it as a as

2182
01:50:14,547 --> 01:50:16,547
Speaker 2: a cricket ground and as a wicket to bowl on?

2183
01:50:17,267 --> 01:50:17,467
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2184
01:50:17,467 --> 01:50:19,747
Speaker 4: I love it as a cricket ground. Fingers crossed the

2185
01:50:19,827 --> 01:50:20,307
Speaker 4: winds not.

2186
01:50:20,427 --> 01:50:21,947
Speaker 2: To calm down, mate, come on.

2187
01:50:24,827 --> 01:50:26,747
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it would be pretty similar to this

2188
01:50:27,467 --> 01:50:29,747
Speaker 4: Hagley wicket. Hopefully it offers a little bit for the

2189
01:50:29,787 --> 01:50:32,307
Speaker 4: bowlers in the first couple of days and then tends

2190
01:50:32,347 --> 01:50:34,547
Speaker 4: to flatten out. So yeah, I think it could be

2191
01:50:34,907 --> 01:50:37,907
Speaker 4: could be quite similar to Hagley and that in that regards.

2192
01:50:37,827 --> 01:50:40,067
Speaker 2: And news today to cover for the injuries to Matt

2193
01:50:40,107 --> 01:50:42,587
Speaker 2: Henry and Nathan Smith. You can every teammate Michael Ray

2194
01:50:42,747 --> 01:50:45,147
Speaker 2: joining the squad for the second Test. Can you give

2195
01:50:45,187 --> 01:50:47,467
Speaker 2: us some insight into his strengths as a bowler.

2196
01:50:48,947 --> 01:50:51,987
Speaker 4: His massive strength is his heart. He just keeps keeps

2197
01:50:52,027 --> 01:50:55,227
Speaker 4: on running and keeps on running, and he'll bring a

2198
01:50:55,267 --> 01:50:58,747
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of energy and yeah, try try

2199
01:50:58,827 --> 01:51:01,267
Speaker 4: bowl as fast as you can, which is which will

2200
01:51:01,307 --> 01:51:02,707
Speaker 4: be awesome to see if he gets to go.

2201
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we look forward to the second Test.

2202
01:51:04,907 --> 01:51:06,907
Speaker 2: Just before you go, it's a busy so of cricket

2203
01:51:06,907 --> 01:51:09,267
Speaker 2: ahead in a lot of different formats. Is the T

2204
01:51:09,427 --> 01:51:12,027
Speaker 2: twenty World Cup sitting there in the back of your mind.

2205
01:51:14,067 --> 01:51:16,787
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to play each game as it comes.

2206
01:51:16,867 --> 01:51:17,067
Speaker 25: Really.

2207
01:51:17,707 --> 01:51:20,987
Speaker 4: If that happens, it happens. If it doesn't, I'm sure

2208
01:51:20,987 --> 01:51:22,947
Speaker 4: I'll turn out for Canterbury and put my best foot

2209
01:51:22,947 --> 01:51:25,307
Speaker 4: forward for them. But at the moment, you're just trying

2210
01:51:25,347 --> 01:51:27,027
Speaker 4: to We're each game at the time.

2211
01:51:27,587 --> 01:51:30,467
Speaker 2: Great toil yesterday, Zach travel safe. May look forward to

2212
01:51:30,467 --> 01:51:32,867
Speaker 2: seeing you at the base from reserve for the second Test.

2213
01:51:33,427 --> 01:51:33,787
Speaker 4: Awesome.

2214
01:51:33,827 --> 01:51:35,947
Speaker 2: Thanks Tony No, thank you, Zach Zach. Folks there out

2215
01:51:35,987 --> 01:51:38,467
Speaker 2: of the black Caps camp. So first Test drawn at

2216
01:51:38,587 --> 01:51:41,907
Speaker 2: Hagley Oval. Second Test based from Reserve and Wellington starting

2217
01:51:42,147 --> 01:51:46,187
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, and I think most of us were probably

2218
01:51:46,627 --> 01:51:50,027
Speaker 2: a little bit pleasantly surprised by the West Indies backbone

2219
01:51:50,347 --> 01:51:53,147
Speaker 2: in this Test match. I think coming into this Test series,

2220
01:51:53,187 --> 01:51:55,267
Speaker 2: a lot of us thought that it would be you know,

2221
01:51:56,547 --> 01:51:58,987
Speaker 2: I guess, a three nil sweep for the black Caps.

2222
01:51:59,027 --> 01:52:02,547
Speaker 2: We didn't really I don't think give the West Indies

2223
01:52:02,587 --> 01:52:04,947
Speaker 2: the credit that they clearly deserved in terms of their

2224
01:52:04,987 --> 01:52:08,267
Speaker 2: ability to dig in and play test cricket. There's been

2225
01:52:08,267 --> 01:52:10,387
Speaker 2: a lot of talk about how they've fallen off from

2226
01:52:10,387 --> 01:52:13,227
Speaker 2: the glory days, and yes they have, but yesterday was

2227
01:52:13,267 --> 01:52:16,227
Speaker 2: an example of what they can do when they apply themselves.

2228
01:52:16,867 --> 01:52:20,867
Speaker 2: So this Test series is level heading to the second

2229
01:52:20,907 --> 01:52:24,347
Speaker 2: Test in Wellington starting on Wednesday twenty one away from

2230
01:52:24,387 --> 01:52:27,347
Speaker 2: three will take a break, come back and zoom in

2231
01:52:27,627 --> 01:52:30,187
Speaker 2: on the rising star of New Zealand track and field,

2232
01:52:30,307 --> 01:52:32,667
Speaker 2: Sam Ruth, who over the last couple of days has

2233
01:52:32,707 --> 01:52:36,067
Speaker 2: broken both the eight and fifteen hundred meter secondary school

2234
01:52:36,307 --> 01:52:39,667
Speaker 2: records at the National Secondary School's Track and Field Champs

2235
01:52:39,707 --> 01:52:42,987
Speaker 2: and Hastings. His dad, Ben Ruth, himself a former elite

2236
01:52:43,067 --> 01:52:45,347
Speaker 2: middle distance runner, is going to join us after this.

2237
01:52:46,827 --> 01:52:47,867
Speaker 6: You be the TMO.

2238
01:52:48,147 --> 01:52:50,547
Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sports with Jason Pin and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's

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2241
01:52:57,227 --> 01:53:00,027
Speaker 2: They'd be eighteen to three two more records the Kwei

2242
01:53:00,067 --> 01:53:03,507
Speaker 2: teenage running star Sam Ruth. Yesterday he clocked three minutes

2243
01:53:03,867 --> 01:53:06,747
Speaker 2: thirty eight point six two seconds in the heats of

2244
01:53:06,787 --> 01:53:10,027
Speaker 2: the boys fifteen hundred meters at the National Secondary School

2245
01:53:10,067 --> 01:53:12,627
Speaker 2: Track and Field Champs and Hastings to break a thirty

2246
01:53:12,707 --> 01:53:15,067
Speaker 2: six year old record in the event. In fact, he

2247
01:53:15,307 --> 01:53:19,107
Speaker 2: obliterated the mark set by Richard Potts in nineteen eighty

2248
01:53:19,187 --> 01:53:23,787
Speaker 2: nine by more than eight seconds. That was yesterday. Earlier today,

2249
01:53:23,987 --> 01:53:27,627
Speaker 2: he also broke the national eight hundred meter record, clocking

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Speaker 2: one forty six point eighty one to beat the previous

2251
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Speaker 2: mark set by Ben Mathis in twenty eleven by three

2252
01:53:33,387 --> 01:53:36,547
Speaker 2: point six seconds. In March, at the age of fifteen,

2253
01:53:36,627 --> 01:53:39,427
Speaker 2: Sam Ruth became the youngest person ever to run a

2254
01:53:39,547 --> 01:53:42,467
Speaker 2: sub four minute mile. In the last hour or so,

2255
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Speaker 2: he has run and comfortably won the final of the

2256
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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred meters Dad Ben Ruth, himself an elite middle

2257
01:53:48,987 --> 01:53:52,347
Speaker 2: distance runner, is with us now. Ben, how big a

2258
01:53:52,467 --> 01:53:56,067
Speaker 2: target were they fifteen hundred and eight hundred meter records

2259
01:53:56,467 --> 01:53:57,827
Speaker 2: for Sam? This weekend.

2260
01:53:59,467 --> 01:54:00,707
Speaker 7: I had been thinking about them, I guess for a

2261
01:54:00,707 --> 01:54:03,307
Speaker 7: little bit since Arian's of fourth mile is talk about

2262
01:54:03,387 --> 01:54:06,627
Speaker 7: him having a crackit Richard's record, and Richard just an

2263
01:54:06,667 --> 01:54:10,667
Speaker 7: incredible guy. He comes from. His mother actually ran at

2264
01:54:10,667 --> 01:54:13,227
Speaker 7: the Comonwealth Games in the final in nineteen seventy with

2265
01:54:13,827 --> 01:54:17,907
Speaker 7: Sam's grandmother. Rosemary won that final in a very type

2266
01:54:17,907 --> 01:54:22,467
Speaker 7: finish and Sylvia Pops came fifth in that final. So

2267
01:54:22,787 --> 01:54:25,387
Speaker 7: there's a little bit bit of family history there, I guess.

2268
01:54:25,547 --> 01:54:29,467
Speaker 7: And Richard who's given his life and time to the sport,

2269
01:54:29,707 --> 01:54:32,707
Speaker 7: making it grow here it's his home track in Hastings

2270
01:54:32,827 --> 01:54:35,387
Speaker 7: and he was standing holding the watch calling the splits

2271
01:54:35,427 --> 01:54:38,947
Speaker 7: each lap, knowing that it was picking down. So just

2272
01:54:39,027 --> 01:54:42,587
Speaker 7: an incredible guy and just an incredible thaught of the

2273
01:54:42,627 --> 01:54:44,427
Speaker 7: ethnic community like his parents were tooth. It was a

2274
01:54:44,467 --> 01:54:45,227
Speaker 7: special moment, Oh, I.

2275
01:54:45,267 --> 01:54:47,427
Speaker 2: Bet it was. What a great little layer to it,

2276
01:54:47,547 --> 01:54:50,107
Speaker 2: But as I say, it wasn't just a matter of

2277
01:54:50,187 --> 01:54:53,547
Speaker 2: half a second or a second, eight seconds off the

2278
01:54:53,627 --> 01:54:56,867
Speaker 2: mark set by Richard pottsback in nineteen eighty nine. Did

2279
01:54:56,947 --> 01:55:01,067
Speaker 2: you believe that that Sam had that time in him?

2280
01:55:02,747 --> 01:55:09,627
Speaker 7: No, I had that Richard Pop time. I ran national

2281
01:55:09,667 --> 01:55:12,427
Speaker 7: secondary schools in middles in the fifteen hundred and nineteen

2282
01:55:12,507 --> 01:55:14,547
Speaker 7: ninety seven and at the time that record was eight

2283
01:55:14,627 --> 01:55:17,107
Speaker 7: years old, and we thought that the clocks must have

2284
01:55:17,147 --> 01:55:18,787
Speaker 7: been broken in the nineteen eighty He's mien it could

2285
01:55:18,787 --> 01:55:21,827
Speaker 7: have ran that time because it was so outrageous and

2286
01:55:21,867 --> 01:55:24,427
Speaker 7: nobody's got under three fifty. I don't think it got

2287
01:55:24,467 --> 01:55:27,747
Speaker 7: within three seconds of it in thirty six years so,

2288
01:55:28,667 --> 01:55:31,067
Speaker 7: and certainly not solo. So he decided he'd do it

2289
01:55:31,107 --> 01:55:32,467
Speaker 7: in the heats, which would take all the pressure off

2290
01:55:32,507 --> 01:55:33,947
Speaker 7: the final. And then also today he's got the eight

2291
01:55:34,067 --> 01:55:35,747
Speaker 7: hundred final, the fifteen hundred final and he's still got

2292
01:55:35,787 --> 01:55:38,547
Speaker 7: four by four hundred meters Togo, So doing it doing

2293
01:55:38,547 --> 01:55:40,747
Speaker 7: it yesterday I meant that he's going to be a

2294
01:55:40,787 --> 01:55:42,147
Speaker 7: bit fresher for his team in the four by four

2295
01:55:42,227 --> 01:55:44,107
Speaker 7: this afternoon. So no, I didn't think he was going

2296
01:55:44,187 --> 01:55:45,787
Speaker 7: to run that. He was actually only he got the

2297
01:55:45,867 --> 01:55:49,347
Speaker 7: New Zealand. He got ten is under twenty New Zealand's

2298
01:55:49,427 --> 01:55:51,507
Speaker 7: fifteen hundred meter record at the same time, and he

2299
01:55:52,187 --> 01:55:54,067
Speaker 7: just missed out in the world's fastest time for a

2300
01:55:54,107 --> 01:55:57,067
Speaker 7: sixteen year old five point six of a second by

2301
01:55:57,187 --> 01:56:00,427
Speaker 7: cam Myers and that was so he's going to have

2302
01:56:00,507 --> 01:56:02,107
Speaker 7: a crack at that. Obviously better in the season when

2303
01:56:02,147 --> 01:56:04,587
Speaker 7: he's actually a race of pacemakers and you know, in

2304
01:56:04,627 --> 01:56:06,067
Speaker 7: the evening with better conditions, et cetera.

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01:56:06,747 --> 01:56:09,987
Speaker 2: How do his times that he's running at the moment compare,

2306
01:56:10,147 --> 01:56:13,067
Speaker 2: if you know with what our great middle distance runners

2307
01:56:13,467 --> 01:56:16,347
Speaker 2: Peter Snow, John Walker, Rod Dix and Nick Willis, we're

2308
01:56:16,427 --> 01:56:19,187
Speaker 2: running at a similar age, you see, faster than they were.

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01:56:20,707 --> 01:56:23,387
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, he's faster than they were at the same age, definitely.

2310
01:56:23,467 --> 01:56:27,427
Speaker 7: But to give you some comparison, it ain't had a

2311
01:56:27,467 --> 01:56:31,747
Speaker 7: meter time today of one minute forty six. Sam Tanner's

2312
01:56:31,867 --> 01:56:34,187
Speaker 7: fastest than his life is one minute forty six. Nick

2313
01:56:34,227 --> 01:56:36,547
Speaker 7: wollas as fast and his life was just before the

2314
01:56:36,667 --> 01:56:40,187
Speaker 7: two thousand and four Olympics he ran one forty five.

2315
01:56:40,747 --> 01:56:43,067
Speaker 7: John Walker was the one forty five runner in his career.

2316
01:56:43,387 --> 01:56:45,987
Speaker 7: So running one fifth forty six as a score kids

2317
01:56:47,387 --> 01:56:50,427
Speaker 7: not very common, and I think it's twelve all time

2318
01:56:50,467 --> 01:56:54,027
Speaker 7: from New zeand the time they're in today, and I

2319
01:56:54,107 --> 01:56:57,307
Speaker 7: think that's fifteen hundred. Yeah, I'm not sure actually where

2320
01:56:57,347 --> 01:57:00,427
Speaker 7: that ranks, but yeah, maybe inside the top top twenty

2321
01:57:00,507 --> 01:57:00,947
Speaker 7: all times.

2322
01:57:01,467 --> 01:57:04,787
Speaker 2: When you're watching him, can you watch purely as a

2323
01:57:04,867 --> 01:57:09,147
Speaker 2: proud dad or are you constantly analyzing how he's running?

2324
01:57:11,387 --> 01:57:13,387
Speaker 7: I don't coach him at all, so we have quite

2325
01:57:13,427 --> 01:57:16,187
Speaker 7: a clear Craig kirk quit as as coach. And Craig

2326
01:57:16,387 --> 01:57:20,267
Speaker 7: develops Hayden to Hadden wild to Olympic medals obviously, and

2327
01:57:20,387 --> 01:57:22,707
Speaker 7: he developed Sam Tanner to be one of the best

2328
01:57:22,947 --> 01:57:26,947
Speaker 7: athletes on the planet. So Craig does all of the coaching.

2329
01:57:26,947 --> 01:57:30,187
Speaker 7: I'm great mates, Craig, but I don't feel like I'm

2330
01:57:30,547 --> 01:57:31,987
Speaker 7: watching him as a dad. I'm watching him as a

2331
01:57:31,987 --> 01:57:34,427
Speaker 7: fan really, and I just enjoy it. I just enjoyed

2332
01:57:34,427 --> 01:57:36,427
Speaker 7: it bold And the same with my daughter running today.

2333
01:57:36,507 --> 01:57:39,867
Speaker 7: She just had a crack and yeah, it's just I

2334
01:57:39,987 --> 01:57:42,587
Speaker 7: just enjoyed watching it and going along for the ride.

2335
01:57:42,587 --> 01:57:45,987
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, your daughter days. He's Sam's sister has also

2336
01:57:46,067 --> 01:57:48,267
Speaker 2: won today. She won the under sixteen fifteen hundred meters

2337
01:57:48,267 --> 01:57:50,787
Speaker 2: Designer Standards a year nine, so you're another one in

2338
01:57:50,827 --> 01:57:51,187
Speaker 2: the family.

2339
01:57:52,547 --> 01:57:54,827
Speaker 7: So Sam when he was a year nine came second.

2340
01:57:54,987 --> 01:57:56,427
Speaker 7: So Davey was pretty choked to.

2341
01:57:56,507 --> 01:57:58,587
Speaker 2: Something and awesome, awesome.

2342
01:57:58,387 --> 01:58:01,627
Speaker 7: Something and running that Sam hadn't done and in a

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Speaker 7: crawl twist of fate, I made the National Singery School's

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Speaker 7: final as it as an under sixteen and year nine

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Speaker 7: and I was stoked with my time around a PB

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Speaker 7: of four thirty two and Daisy today around four thirty one.

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01:58:15,187 --> 01:58:18,547
Speaker 7: So their records held by Tony Hodkinson out of four

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Speaker 7: twenty nine. Tony obviously around the Olympic final, I think

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Speaker 7: ninety ninty six in Atlanta day you've got another year

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01:58:25,627 --> 01:58:28,307
Speaker 7: in the grade. But yeah, she's doing really well and

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01:58:28,347 --> 01:58:30,947
Speaker 7: she was bold and had a crack from a long

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01:58:30,987 --> 01:58:35,267
Speaker 7: way out. I was just pleading to see them challenge

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01:58:35,307 --> 01:58:37,067
Speaker 7: themselves and be bold.

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01:58:37,107 --> 01:58:40,267
Speaker 2: Really, Sam's feat's on the track are turning heads everywhere.

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01:58:40,307 --> 01:58:41,947
Speaker 2: As I'm sure you've worked out have you had to

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01:58:42,067 --> 01:58:44,427
Speaker 2: keep his feet on the ground in any respect.

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Speaker 7: He's Sam's just I don't know, I don't know why,

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01:58:50,467 --> 01:58:53,307
Speaker 7: but maybe it's a combination of I've justed myself. So

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01:58:54,227 --> 01:58:56,147
Speaker 7: Jess is just as really good at all the things

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01:58:56,187 --> 01:58:58,947
Speaker 7: that I'm not good at I used to. I relish

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01:58:58,987 --> 01:59:00,547
Speaker 7: the sport, love the sport, and I always used to

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01:59:00,547 --> 01:59:02,787
Speaker 7: get carried away and train too hard. For as she's

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01:59:02,947 --> 01:59:06,507
Speaker 7: really disciplined, focused, follows the rules, make sure all the

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01:59:06,867 --> 01:59:08,827
Speaker 7: all things in the right place, and she puts all

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01:59:08,867 --> 01:59:12,907
Speaker 7: her energies into the right areas and somehow the kids

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01:59:12,947 --> 01:59:15,387
Speaker 7: have sort of got the spots of us. And Sam's

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01:59:15,507 --> 01:59:18,267
Speaker 7: just he doesn't get carried away at all. It's just

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01:59:18,547 --> 01:59:21,987
Speaker 7: he just enjoys it and disciplined and doesn't he wouldn't

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01:59:22,027 --> 01:59:24,227
Speaker 7: know really that he broke the national records. He's just

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01:59:24,787 --> 01:59:27,227
Speaker 7: just loves the sports and loves hanging out with his

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01:59:27,307 --> 01:59:29,067
Speaker 7: mates and they're all happy. And I think having a

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01:59:29,107 --> 01:59:31,827
Speaker 7: boards college have won seven gold medals here on the

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01:59:31,907 --> 01:59:35,627
Speaker 7: track out of I don't know how many, but they've

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01:59:35,667 --> 01:59:37,507
Speaker 7: all done really, really well. It's just a great culture

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01:59:37,547 --> 01:59:39,347
Speaker 7: and environment and a group of group of boys that

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01:59:39,627 --> 01:59:41,947
Speaker 7: coming Boys College and Craig Kirkford has got going.

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01:59:43,227 --> 01:59:45,587
Speaker 2: So what is the plan? Then over summer here and

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01:59:45,707 --> 01:59:50,387
Speaker 2: then into twenty twenty six for Sam, he's got.

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01:59:50,347 --> 01:59:52,267
Speaker 7: Quite a lot coming up. So too many times he's

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01:59:52,307 --> 01:59:54,987
Speaker 7: going to five to Northland where there's an outside shot

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01:59:55,027 --> 01:59:57,147
Speaker 7: that he's got a chance that Jack Finger Britain's five

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01:59:57,147 --> 01:59:59,507
Speaker 7: thousand meter what record for a sixteen year old of

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01:59:59,507 --> 02:00:02,187
Speaker 7: thirteen thirty five. He's never run a five thousand meter race,

2384
02:00:02,267 --> 02:00:06,947
Speaker 7: but his strength seems to be quite quite at the moment.

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02:00:07,667 --> 02:00:11,507
Speaker 7: I think it's only three three current news on ethicts

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02:00:11,507 --> 02:00:13,467
Speaker 7: that have run a certain thirty five and one forty six,

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02:00:13,547 --> 02:00:16,227
Speaker 7: and that's Sam Tanner, Nickolas and John Walker. So if

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02:00:16,267 --> 02:00:18,427
Speaker 7: he could pull that off in two week space, that

2389
02:00:18,747 --> 02:00:20,747
Speaker 7: that will be recalled. And he's got crack at the

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02:00:20,747 --> 02:00:23,907
Speaker 7: one k national age group record in January in Taringer.

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02:00:24,027 --> 02:00:27,347
Speaker 7: Then so we popped back here in Hastings on the tenth, sorry,

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02:00:27,387 --> 02:00:30,587
Speaker 7: the seventeenth January wan going to be mile where the

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02:00:30,627 --> 02:00:32,747
Speaker 7: world records ages three fifty five and snow broke the

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02:00:32,787 --> 02:00:35,187
Speaker 7: world record running three fifty five and ten or one

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02:00:35,267 --> 02:00:37,347
Speaker 7: last year and three fifty five. So it's going to

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02:00:37,347 --> 02:00:38,547
Speaker 7: be a big, big crack. And we go to the

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Speaker 7: US for four weeks for indoor racing in Boston and

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Speaker 7: North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful stuff, all all mapped out, mate, while I've got

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02:00:45,187 --> 02:00:47,907
Speaker 2: your text has come through Piney. Good to hear the progress,

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02:00:47,947 --> 02:00:50,307
Speaker 2: Young Sam. Ruth is making, but the menchin of his

2402
02:00:50,427 --> 02:00:53,507
Speaker 2: dad's name gives me PTSD. I was a rugby playing runner,

2403
02:00:53,787 --> 02:00:55,707
Speaker 2: fast enough to compete regionally at high school in the

2404
02:00:55,747 --> 02:00:58,147
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred, but Ben was the king as far as

2405
02:00:58,227 --> 02:01:02,067
Speaker 2: Wellington was concerned, obliterated the field in ninety seven. Awesome

2406
02:01:02,107 --> 02:01:04,507
Speaker 2: to get second place to the Wellington College road running

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02:01:04,547 --> 02:01:06,987
Speaker 2: team back then, knowing how fast Bare was. That's from

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02:01:07,027 --> 02:01:09,827
Speaker 2: a nine nine old boy who is now in recovery,

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02:01:10,107 --> 02:01:13,187
Speaker 2: that ti sais So you're well remembered for your feats

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02:01:13,227 --> 02:01:14,867
Speaker 2: back in the capital as well.

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Speaker 7: Mate, Yeah, what do you say about that? It's all

2412
02:01:18,387 --> 02:01:21,467
Speaker 7: just enjoyable, isn't it life challenging yourself and challenging others,

2413
02:01:21,507 --> 02:01:23,867
Speaker 7: and hopefully you push yourself and they push you and

2414
02:01:24,507 --> 02:01:26,387
Speaker 7: I hope you get a bit of fat. So it's

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02:01:26,467 --> 02:01:27,867
Speaker 7: just I love the sport for a long time and

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02:01:27,907 --> 02:01:29,427
Speaker 7: it's just a pleasure to be able to watch it

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02:01:29,547 --> 02:01:30,267
Speaker 7: from the sidelines.

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Speaker 2: Now, great stuff, Ben, thanks for chatting to us, mate,

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02:01:32,307 --> 02:01:35,907
Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, brilliant thanks, funny thanks mate, That has

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Speaker 2: Ben Ruth. Yeah, an elite runner in his day, a

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02:01:38,507 --> 02:01:41,547
Speaker 2: terrific runner in his day. You know, Nick willis kind

2422
02:01:41,587 --> 02:01:44,827
Speaker 2: of areas when he was in and around the Wellington

2423
02:01:44,867 --> 02:01:47,227
Speaker 2: region at the same time. But yes, Sam and now

2424
02:01:47,387 --> 02:01:49,547
Speaker 2: Daisy by the sounds of it as well. Another one

2425
02:01:49,907 --> 02:01:51,707
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on great jeans in that family.

2426
02:01:51,827 --> 02:01:53,307
Speaker 2: Nine to three new stalks INB.

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Speaker 1: The school from the track field and the court on

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Speaker 1: your home of sort weekends for it with Jason vine News.

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Speaker 2: Talks in B six away from three Loss of life

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02:02:03,667 --> 02:02:06,107
Speaker 2: Misses just coming through about Sam Ruth, but also about

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02:02:06,147 --> 02:02:08,667
Speaker 2: Ben Ruth. Yeah, it's often often the case, isn't it.

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02:02:08,707 --> 02:02:11,387
Speaker 2: When you find a particularly a young up and coming

2433
02:02:11,467 --> 02:02:14,147
Speaker 2: sports person, you look at the family that they come

2434
02:02:14,227 --> 02:02:16,307
Speaker 2: from and it immediately tells you a lot about why

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02:02:16,307 --> 02:02:19,507
Speaker 2: they're having the success that they are. Would be easy

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02:02:19,587 --> 02:02:23,107
Speaker 2: for Ben Ruth, wouldn't it to get heavily involved in

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02:02:23,227 --> 02:02:25,147
Speaker 2: the coaching of his own son, given the fact he's

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02:02:25,147 --> 02:02:28,107
Speaker 2: got a background in track and field himself, a very

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02:02:28,267 --> 02:02:30,507
Speaker 2: very good background in it. But to give up the

2440
02:02:30,587 --> 02:02:33,907
Speaker 2: reins to a coach Craig Kirkwood, who has been said

2441
02:02:34,147 --> 02:02:36,827
Speaker 2: has had great success with the likes of Hayden Wilde

2442
02:02:36,827 --> 02:02:39,267
Speaker 2: and others, must take a lot. But it also must

2443
02:02:39,347 --> 02:02:42,307
Speaker 2: be so cool just to sit back and watch your

2444
02:02:42,387 --> 02:02:44,507
Speaker 2: son do what he's doing and as he mentioned as

2445
02:02:44,547 --> 02:02:48,667
Speaker 2: well as daughter to names to keep keep an eye on. Finally,

2446
02:02:48,907 --> 02:02:51,747
Speaker 2: before we go, Daniel Hilly, You're through four holes in

2447
02:02:52,707 --> 02:02:55,507
Speaker 2: at the Australian Open in Melbourne? Are they in Melbourne? Yes?

2448
02:02:55,587 --> 02:03:00,227
Speaker 2: Royal Melbourne Golf Club, four under through sorry even part

2449
02:03:00,267 --> 02:03:02,827
Speaker 2: through four holes ten other for the tournament, four shots

2450
02:03:02,867 --> 02:03:05,627
Speaker 2: off the lead. Ryan Fox is a bit further down

2451
02:03:05,667 --> 02:03:07,947
Speaker 2: the leaderboard but still there or thereabouts one over three

2452
02:03:08,027 --> 02:03:12,107
Speaker 2: nine holes, five under four the tournament. Huge thanks to

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Speaker 2: Annie McDonald for producing the show today. Thanks mate. Enjoy

2454
02:03:15,267 --> 02:03:17,707
Speaker 2: a relaxing afternoon in the Auckland sunshine. Thank you for

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02:03:17,787 --> 02:03:21,387
Speaker 2: listening in this afternoon. Tim Beverage will take over after

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02:03:21,507 --> 02:03:25,827
Speaker 2: three with the Sunday edition of the Weekend Collective Exit Song. Today. Well,

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02:03:26,027 --> 02:03:30,267
Speaker 2: all roads lead to Abu Dhabi tomorrow morning at around

2458
02:03:30,267 --> 02:03:34,147
Speaker 2: about two o'clock, when the Formula One Drivers Championship will

2459
02:03:34,187 --> 02:03:38,147
Speaker 2: be decided for twenty twenty five, Lando Norris, can you

2460
02:03:38,187 --> 02:03:41,107
Speaker 2: finish on the podium and claim his maiden Formula One

2461
02:03:41,187 --> 02:03:44,867
Speaker 2: Drivers Championship or has Max for Stappan got one more

2462
02:03:44,947 --> 02:03:48,067
Speaker 2: trick up his sleeve for twenty twenty five and the

2463
02:03:48,187 --> 02:03:52,027
Speaker 2: chance to make it five on the bounce. The talking

2464
02:03:52,467 --> 02:03:54,987
Speaker 2: is pretty much all done, or will be soon. These

2465
02:03:55,027 --> 02:03:58,427
Speaker 2: guys can now just shut up and drive. See tomorrow

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Speaker 2: night on Sports Talk.

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