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Speaker 1: With the John and Ben podcast.

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Speaker 2: Cheers to Dilma making the world a bitter Tea. Well,

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Speaker 2: good morning to you. It's afternoon here, but I'm glad

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Speaker 2: you guys are having a good morning.

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Speaker 3: Where are we at the moment?

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Speaker 1: I talk roomily and I can see a lot of pimes.

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Speaker 2: I'm in my office. I have a studio in the back.

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Speaker 2: I'm in Pasadena. I'm about a mile from my house.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's great. Are you next door to the other businesses?

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Speaker 1: And do they know what you're doing in there?

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Speaker 2: Well, there are a couple of businesses over here. They

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Speaker 2: know who I am, but they're older people. They don't

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Speaker 2: really care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So you're about to go on tour to New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: You're coming back. You haven't been here for what seven years?

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Speaker 3: I think very exciting. It's been a minute coming over

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Speaker 3: a summertime as well. That's when the weather hope, well

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Speaker 3: now I say it's probably not going to be, but

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Speaker 3: hopefully we put on our best weather for you.

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Speaker 2: There's never a bad time to come to New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: I've been there every season and it's always been lovely

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Speaker 2: and seriously, we're looking forward to coming back. Going to

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Speaker 2: be great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's good and appreciate you not forgetting us

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Speaker 1: so sometimes we left off the world map.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we are in New.

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Speaker 1: Zealandery we're a very forgettable country. So we appreciate you

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Speaker 1: you including us. Now we must let you in on

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Speaker 1: a little Every week we do a game where we

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Speaker 1: each pick a song, a song from yes to year,

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Speaker 1: and we champion it and then the listener votes which

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Speaker 1: one we play every week, and being and myself, we've

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Speaker 1: never had a win. We've never had a win with

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Speaker 1: this Meghan, who we work with one hundred percent success

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Speaker 1: rate in this game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's pretty good. And so we thought today John

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Speaker 3: and myself will team up and we choose ever clear

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Speaker 3: you know, a song from you, maybe Santa Monica, and

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Speaker 3: we might surprise Meghan with the fact that you're joining us,

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Speaker 3: just to make our case for your song a little stronger.

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's okay, but you're going all loose. Women are

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Speaker 2: always SMARTERO.

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Speaker 1: You figure that out, amen, we're slowly figuring it out.

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Speaker 1: Meghan knows this. There's something I thought.

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Speaker 3: So something's gone on now. Meghan, you know every week

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Speaker 3: how you and throwback Thursday?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. You point that out. I do, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you do.

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Speaker 3: And we're John and I. We've been gutted about the

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Speaker 3: fact that we haven't won. So we thought we'd team

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Speaker 3: up together and we'd pick a great song, Santa Monica

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Speaker 3: from Evercleaire, And just to really help our case, we've

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Speaker 3: got Art, the lead singer of Everclear, with us right now.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Oka, Hi, how's it going? They've really what

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Speaker 1: up to me? Now?

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Speaker 3: Have you got the artist for your song? No, you haven't,

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Speaker 3: We've got the artist. No, Art wrote this song. This

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Speaker 3: is a song that you wrote, the safe Place, the

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Speaker 3: safe haven in your life? Right Art? Santa Monica.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was missing living next to the ocean. I

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Speaker 2: was missing Santa Monica. So I wrote the song about

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Speaker 2: comfort zones which I don't mention Santa Monica one, and

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Speaker 2: I named it Santa Monica, which irritated the record label.

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Speaker 2: What's the World Get? Swim out past the Breakers? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Such a good song.

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Speaker 1: Actually, my favorite movie is Romeo and Juliet, and your

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Speaker 1: song Local God as a big five of mine as well.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to pick another?

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Speaker 3: Ever you never went out?

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Speaker 1: That's a smart place.

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Speaker 2: I'm going like, who got Okay? All right, Well we

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Speaker 2: go everyone, Megan, you didn't hear me before I go.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what song you're gonna pick, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: lose because women are smarter and better than that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I figured that out my forties.

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Speaker 1: These guys it was.

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Speaker 3: It was a song that was banned temper reily, wasn't

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Speaker 3: it after the Horrible of Eats? Not eleven? But it

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Speaker 3: seemed an unusual one to be banned from radio play.

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Speaker 3: Which one WI song was that Santa Monica?

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Speaker 2: Was it?

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Speaker 3: Band was on the list of band songs.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, because it said watch the world die

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Speaker 2: a cup bam. You got to remember art conservatives were

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Speaker 2: in power over here as they raised their heads up

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Speaker 2: every you know, eight to twelve years. The religious right,

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Speaker 2: who just you know, try to control everybody and make

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Speaker 2: them think like they do. So they're they're the book

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Speaker 2: in my world.

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Speaker 1: Politicians even ask to use your music. Sometimes you hear

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Speaker 1: those stories.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, usually politicians that I don't like, And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: they're always trying to use Born in the USA. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And Bruce is like, man, if you guys listen to

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Speaker 2: the lyrics of the song, it's not Yeah, this is.

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Speaker 1: Very unpatriotic hasn't been a war veteran, right, It's.

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Speaker 2: Like it's a protest song. Yeah, it's a hardcore protest song. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well I guess, I guess if you if you don't

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Speaker 1: listen to the verses and just the chorus, it's a

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Speaker 1: hell of a patreoon again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just the one line.

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Speaker 3: We're very excited about efically coming to New Zealand and

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Speaker 3: then yourself being back here because you have really interesting life.

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Speaker 3: Music really helped you tune your life around, right, Well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, music was the vehicle that I you know,

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Speaker 2: it helped me overcome my low self esteem. I grew

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Speaker 2: up very poor. I was abused very badly when I

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Speaker 2: was younger. My brother died when I was young. My

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Speaker 2: parents divorced and lived in a housing project, and it

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Speaker 2: was It was a rough childhood growing up. I would

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Speaker 2: use that damage as a motor sometimes with anger and

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Speaker 2: rage to be successful. It took me finding songwriting for

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Speaker 2: a way to do that without hurting people. Because I was.

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Speaker 2: I was a drug dealer, I was violent, I carried

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Speaker 2: a gun. I was I was not a nice personally.

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Speaker 2: I was a nice person, but I was just I

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Speaker 2: was scared when people are scared they do bad things.

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Speaker 2: And when I finally came into my own, like this

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Speaker 2: is something that's mine that I can do, it sounds

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Speaker 2: like me.

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Speaker 1: People can scenes when you're not being all scenes, you

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Speaker 1: can't they.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, we're in the middle of a presidential election

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Speaker 2: that is just on fire right now. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you gout. You know it's going on and everyone's

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Speaker 2: losing their mind. I'm enjoying it. Can you guys read

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Speaker 2: my shirtc.

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Speaker 1: Is not as spectator as they sport down the bottom exactly. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's probably a terrible time to tell you that being

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Speaker 1: is a Trump.

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Speaker 3: Supporter, say, American politics is something that we were not

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Speaker 3: a lot about, but we're just like, wow, there's a

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Speaker 3: lot going on.

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Speaker 2: As you say, man, if you're a Trump's supporter, you're

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Speaker 2: just must be driven too much. He just came back

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Speaker 2: from America.

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Speaker 3: Look what he got me as a prison do you know?

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Speaker 3: I was a cam driver. On the way back. He

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Speaker 3: was like, I'm not into politics, and then he and

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh god. But so we had a

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Speaker 3: chat and then he gave me a sticker that said

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Speaker 3: Trump into Greatness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's talk about greatness.

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Speaker 1: Disturbing thing is it's a homemade sticker. It's not even

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Speaker 1: like a professionally printed sticker as well. Yeah, no, he's gone.

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Speaker 2: He said he was not political.

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Speaker 3: But then then I left. I said, I left with

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Speaker 3: a stick and I was like, and I felt in

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Speaker 3: New Zealanders, we're too polite to say no, do anything

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Speaker 3: because you're like, oh yeah, yeah. Anyway, Well, we can't

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Speaker 3: wait to have you back. It's going to be amazing

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Speaker 3: playing all the hats, and thank you for putting your

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Speaker 3: weight behind and well both your songs that we're going

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Speaker 3: to play in just a moment, one of them is

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Speaker 3: going to wait.

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Speaker 2: Means going to work.

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Speaker 1: You're right, she's got your vote. Good on your lovely

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Speaker 1: chatting with your mate, and I look forward to seeing you.

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Speaker 2: You're chatting with you guys. Thanks for having me. I

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Speaker 2: hope you guys come out to the shows.