1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Politics Wednesday, Jinny's Away Securrean Mcanulty's with us on the program. Karen, 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: morning to you, Good morning, I am extremely well. Thank you. 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Mark Mitchell with us as always, Mark, good morning to you. 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: Morning, Mike morning Curan. 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Very broad, very broad based question, Karen. I'll start with you, 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: seeing you're a bit of a guest on the program. 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: So when you deal with Andrew Bailey and Darlene Tanner 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: as we did yesterday and of course pulled the trigger 9 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: on the Wellington City Council, is our expectation of public 10 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: representation artificially high? And really these people are just, you know, 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: examples of people we know in regular life, and somehow 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: we expect people in public life to be better or 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: should we expect better? 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: I think on the whole you get a very high 15 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 3: standard from public servants in this country. But when people 16 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 3: slip off that, it's fair enough to ask questians. It 17 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 3: doesn't matter what you do for a job, going up 18 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: to someone and calling them a loser and doing the 19 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: l signs probably not appropriate. 20 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 4: I was asked to yesterday and I said, look, I'm. 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 3: Never going to criticize someone for swearing, because I'd be 22 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: a hypocrite. 23 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 4: But I wouldn't do that, so that's fair question asked. 24 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: But what about Tana? How do you explain that? 25 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? 26 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: I mean, look, they've gone through a process that I've 27 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: deemed that she wasn't honest, and I've dealt with it 28 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: in their view appropriately, anyone in any walker life, if 29 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 3: they are deemed to. 30 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 4: Have misled their employers, which is the claim. 31 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 3: At stake here, then they need to be dealt with. 32 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 3: And so is it any different to any other job? 33 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: Probably not, Now that's what I'm saying. What do you recommend? 34 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: Should we expect more? Do we expect more or not? 35 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,279 Speaker 2: No? I think you should. You should. 36 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 5: The public should expect higher levels of behavior and standards 37 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 5: from people that they vote and to go and represent them, 38 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 5: whether it be at local government level, regional or central 39 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 5: government level down to here with Quran and I so no, 40 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 5: there should be a level of expectation around that. At 41 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 5: the end of the day, mpiece of human as well, 42 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 5: and make mistakes as lot's the way they deal with them. 43 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 5: Long as you deal with the proper, you apologize, you 44 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 5: make your commitment not to make the same mistake, and 45 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 5: move on. 46 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: Then most keys understand. 47 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 3: That we'll take Mark and I, for example, we don't 48 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: agree on much, but we get on to each other. 49 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: Well, there you go, that's true what I carry on? 50 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: No, I was going to think. 51 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 5: I was just trying to think of Karen's ever given 52 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 5: the occasionally I missed the odd techle, doesn't it very 53 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 5: often in the rugby. I was just trying to think 54 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 5: whether he's ever called me a loser or any of that. 55 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 5: I don't think he has no. 56 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 4: And you were very kind to me that time I 57 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 4: got a yellow card down? 58 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: What do you get the yellow card for? 59 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 4: It was I was attempting an intercept and that. 60 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: Was a deliberate knock on Q What was it actually 61 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: a deliberate knock on Kuren? 62 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 4: No, it wasn't. I was trying, but it was two hands, 63 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 4: don't you. 64 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 5: It was a It was a genuine attempt an intercept 65 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 5: and if you got. 66 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 2: It, he would have been the hero. 67 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 5: But unfortunately got spilled and you got I said to 68 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 5: the referee, don't send him off of the yellow card, 69 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 5: just make him do before. 70 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 4: And could he to make the paper out of the 71 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 4: game to the game. 72 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: Could you do ten press ups Karen? If I asked 73 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: you to do them? 74 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: Yes, I could. I wouldn't be so confident about twelve, 75 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: But I could do ten. 76 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: What about you, Mark? How many can you can you do? 77 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 2: Ten? 78 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 5: I do thirty press ups every morning. Old stop, get 79 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 5: a bed and I do. 80 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: Thirty press ups. 81 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 4: I know I likes the show off. Come on now. 82 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 5: Well, the reason I do that is because often it's 83 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 5: the only exercise I get during the day. 84 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: So are they good form? Are they good form? Press up? 85 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: Yes? 86 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 5: Yeah they are, They're excellent. I get my forehead right 87 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 5: down to the cabin I don't know if you remember. 88 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 5: Do you remember there's a challenge went out yes years 89 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 5: ago about doing twenty five. 90 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: I just carried it on challenge. 91 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: Oh well, good on you. Hey, while I've got you, Mark, 92 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: where are you at with the Police Commissioner's job? 93 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: So that's some process at the moment the PSC is 94 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: leading that. 95 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: Have they given you names or numbers or paperwork? 96 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? 97 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 5: So I can't talk about that because it is obviously 98 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 5: a process they run. But I can tell you that 99 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 5: I hope to have the new police commistry announced by 100 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 5: the end of November, so we'll know then. 101 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: So the end of November, and so you've got some 102 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 1: people in front of you. It's in train. So it's 103 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: we are standing by for an announcement. 104 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: No, No, it's well and truly in train. 105 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Okay, gang raid yesterday. You've got to be pleased 106 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: with that. 107 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, very pleased, because I mean I've visted. I've been 108 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 5: over to a Podoky myself, very strong, we leaders group there, 109 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 5: met with the local community. Really, I was very clear 110 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 5: after last year when the Podeque was taken under siege 111 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 5: that it's a beautiful town that shouldn't be labeled a 112 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 5: gang town. And I'm very proud of the work the 113 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 5: police have done to go and then really, hamm of 114 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 5: the mungelmore, the. 115 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: School lunches Kieren yesterday, would you be willing enough or 116 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: generous enough to concede that Seymour might have actually cracked 117 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: a nut here and at three Bucks? And what you 118 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: saw yesterday and what you probably could have tasted if 119 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: you turned up at the launch isn't actually bad. 120 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 3: If you look at what was provided yesterday, then it 121 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: may well work. But time will tower and we've we've 122 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 3: got to be honest about this time, will tew. We 123 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: do have providers saying that they can't do it for 124 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: three dollars, and we do have schools concerned that it's 125 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: going to be pulled out. If he's able to deliver 126 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: nutritious lunches to everyone that was previously going to be 127 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: doing it, then good on them. 128 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 4: But we've got to wait and see how this goes. 129 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: At the end of the day, the government, we're advised 130 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 3: in their own cabinet paper that the changes they were 131 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: proposing does rest of the achievement and attendance of kids 132 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: at school, and so that should be of concern. But 133 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: I'm not going to put the boot in before the 134 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: evidence is there very well. 135 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: So. 136 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 5: I think they were just approached in a way that 137 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 5: you know, he embraced the commercial expertise that was available 138 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 5: as he's using governments buying power and generated supply chain 139 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 5: efficiencies and you know, combined that sort of realized over 140 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 5: one hundred and thirty billion dollars and then your cost savings, 141 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 5: which is outstanding. 142 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: Kieren. I think it was you the other day I 143 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: saw quoted this business of Wellington and you were running 144 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: the line that it was a bit of a smoke 145 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: screen for the government, et cetera. Did what the government 146 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: do for Wellington yesterday make sense? Or what would it 147 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: have required from your point of view because before you 148 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: were to pull the trigger. 149 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 3: Well, it's one of the topics that I can speak 150 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 3: on with some authority, having been Minister of Local Government 151 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: previously and having many people asking me to consider intervention 152 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: and other councils. My point was really clear that the 153 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 3: government shouldn't be waiting in and shooting their mouth. 154 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 4: Off before they get the advice from DIA. 155 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: That advice is critical to any decision, and we still 156 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 3: haven't seen it, so I can't give you an honest 157 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: answer until the Minister releases. 158 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: But he's got it, so he's got the does. 159 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 3: But your question was if they've done the right thing, Well, 160 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 3: I need to see the advice to give you an 161 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 3: honest answer. But ultimately what we're talking about is pretty 162 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 3: much the lowest form of intervention, a Crown observer solely 163 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: for the process for the long term plan. 164 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 4: It's not across all. 165 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: Council operations, and in the hierarchy of interventions, this is 166 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 3: about as low as you can get. The way the 167 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 3: government ministers were talking last week, everyone thought that a 168 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 3: commissioner was on the cards. 169 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 4: The Minister wouldn't rule out. 170 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 3: Whether they would call a fresh election, so clearly the 171 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: advice didn't match what they were saying, but nevertheless it 172 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 3: had to have been enough to warrant an observer, otherwise 173 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: they couldn't do it. 174 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 4: I do want to see the advice before I can 175 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 4: comment beyond that. 176 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: Day not a bad point, mate. 177 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 5: Well, I just think that Simon definitely would have considered 178 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 5: all the advice that has become really obvious. And the 179 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 5: Government has been concerned about the Council's ability to manage 180 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 5: the long term Plan, amendment and adoption process. 181 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we saw what happened with. 182 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 5: The airports years and the fact that now they're having 183 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 5: to rewrite the long term plan and so uh and 184 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 5: we do things think these three things through very carefully, 185 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 5: am I had the situation in Warrall with the last 186 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 5: weather event and making sure that we keep the recovery going, 187 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 5: So Simmy would have put a lot of thought into this. 188 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 5: We've got a Crown observer in there now and we're 189 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 5: going to start trying to get things. 190 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: Back on track. 191 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: We didn't any note, Mike, we didn't criticize that decision 192 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: and wide we thought that was appropriate. 193 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: So it's not a case. 194 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: Of opposing decisions just for the sake of it. We've 195 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: got to take it on a case by case basis. 196 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: Do you find yourself as a more moderate member of 197 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: the labor caucus there and Karen, I'm finding. 198 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 4: Well, I would consider that. 199 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: I don't know what you guys think, but I'd consider 200 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: myself reasonly moderate. 201 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: Having said, we did an interview the other day and 202 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: I can't remember when there was a couple of days ago. 203 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: So one of these regional authorities or bodies or local 204 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: government people are looking into this problem that we have 205 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: of nobody turning up at local elections and we've got 206 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: one next year. Do you have any obvious answers as 207 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: to what can be done in this country? And this 208 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: ties into Wellington and they're ineptitude. What is it that 209 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: will get us engaged in local politics? 210 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really good question, and it's actually one 211 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 3: I've been thinking about quite a lot. I mean, at 212 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: the end of the day, when you're in opposition one 213 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 3: you've got to respond to what the government's doing. 214 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 4: Note I didn't say oppose, but respond. 215 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: And the other one is actually working on some policies 216 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 3: and as local government spokesperson, this is something I think 217 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: about a lot. 218 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 4: At the end of the day. Local government is really important. 219 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: It's crucial when it touches every aspect of our daily life. 220 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 3: But we get such low turnout. Is it because what 221 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: people see in local government is. 222 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: Not reflective of their community? 223 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: Or is it because the structure of local government means 224 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 3: that not everyone is able to put their hand up? 225 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: Because if you think about it, especially where I live, 226 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 3: we've got some very small councils, and councilors get paid 227 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 3: a relatively small amount to do what is essentially a 228 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 3: full time job. You're asking workers and people with families 229 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 3: to give up paid employment to serve their communities. That 230 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily lend itself to always the right people coming forward. 231 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 3: So that's got to be something that's looked at. 232 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I look, I don't know where there's a bit 233 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 5: of fatigue around vote of the tea, around local government elections. 234 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 5: I think that you always see the dysfunction of the media, 235 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 5: you know, And I can say with my emergency management 236 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 5: head on which keran head on before me, is it 237 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 5: getting around the country. I see outstanding leaders, I see 238 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 5: outstanding years and councilors and councilors doing their job. So 239 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 5: but you know, it's always the sort of it's always 240 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 5: on the margins and stuff that's reported through the media. 241 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 5: I think that it does take people's view and it 242 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 5: does affect the motivation when it comes time to come 243 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 5: out and vote. 244 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 3: A see, local government is often a convenient whipping boy. 245 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 3: We saw that earlier the year at Local Government conference. 246 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, every single person 247 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 3: that's involved in local government has committed to their communities 248 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 3: and doing their best. 249 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: All right, well said, yeah, I appreciate it very much, 250 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: Kieren mcnaughy, Marke Mitchell for another Wednesday. 251 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 252 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 3: news Talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 253 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,479 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.