1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Kiyota. I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: a daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. It's 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: no surprise the upcoming election is a hot topic at 4 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: Why Tonguey. The axing of the Treaty Principals Bill has 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: eased tensions this year, although that hasn't stopped Chris Hipkins 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: taking aim at the government, calling it anti treaty, so 7 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: therefore anti Maldy. It's all while a decision on Maria 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: Meno Kappa Kingi's future with Tapati Maldi plays out in 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: a Wellington court this week. So what is the atmosphere 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: of Why Tonguey. Who's there and who's not? Today on 11 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: the front Page news talks that'd be political Reporter Ethan 12 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: Griffiths is with us from Why Tonguey to break down 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: what the event means. I think last year, obviously a 14 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: significant rally took place and act leader David Seymour's microphone 15 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: was taken off of him while he was speaking. So 16 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: what's the vibe this year? 17 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, White Tangy is an interesting place right because I 18 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 2: mean it's called a festival. The week's events is called 19 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: the White Tenney Festival. So there's kind of an upbeat, 20 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: celebratory mood here most of the time. But then of 21 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: course today where we have the Poorfecty welcoming the country's 22 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: leaders onto the Midi is when it gets a little 23 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: bit more tense. There are protests building directly outside from 24 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: me right now speaking to you right now at ten o'clock. 25 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: We have the politicians coming in on to the mid 26 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: I in about an hour, so protest is building around 27 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 2: the Treaty grounds at the moment. It will be interesting 28 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: today to see just how big those protests are. Of course, 29 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: last year we had the Treaty Principles build debate in 30 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: the midst of White any Day, which made it very tense. 31 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: This year not so much. There are things on the periphery, 32 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: but there isn't that sort of main issue that we 33 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: saw last year that had galvanized a lot of mardy 34 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 2: to come here. The other interesting thing this yet, security 35 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: again is very very tight. We've got police walking around everywhere. 36 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: We've got military police. I've seen police in overalls with 37 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: the long sticks with mirrors underneath them to check underneath cars. 38 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: Diplomatic protection services here as well, protecting politicians. The security 39 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: is very very tight, so there is some expectation of 40 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: protest today. Just how large that will be though, we're 41 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 2: not sure. 42 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: Tell us where you are, Ethan, you're in the car 43 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: at the moment. Are things outside looking a bit dreary? 44 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had some rain here this morning. I'm actually 45 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: about probably forty meters from the front door of the 46 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: Midi and the upper Madi here at the treaty rounds. 47 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: At the moment, there's pretty good access here for the 48 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: media vehicles to get very very close to the action. 49 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: Directly in front of me. Right now there are people, 50 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 2: large crowds of people walking into the treaty grounds, and 51 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: crowds are gathering by the front of them at I. 52 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: The rain looks to have stopped and cleared up here, 53 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: but it was bucketing down a bit earlier, and I 54 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: don't have a rain jacket with me, so I hope 55 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 2: that it stays away in the interests of me staying 56 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: dry and everyone else, for. 57 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: The interests of you in a white shirt. 58 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, exactly not ideal. 59 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: So obviously before white, honey, we want to know who's 60 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: going to be there, who's not going to be there. 61 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: I mean, are there any surprises. Who have you seen about? 62 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting. Everyone seems to gather at the 63 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: Copthorn Hotel, which is right below the Treaty grounds, pretty 64 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: much on them. It's a short walk up the hill 65 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: and that's where everyone gathers there at the bar. There's 66 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: a few faces that I've seen there that I thought 67 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: that's interesting. I saw David Kunliff there yesterday. I'm not 68 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: entirely sure what he's up to now. Of course, former 69 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: Labor Party leader was there. The Mardy Queen is here 70 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: at White Honey. It's his second White Toney since assuming 71 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: the role. The Governor General of course, is here as usual. 72 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: I know the Prime Minister. He attended White Tangy last year, right, 73 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: but then, as you said, he spent the actual White 74 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: Tongy Day down in christ Church. He's doing he's kind 75 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: of doing the same again this year. 76 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, he is. He'll be spending the day in Auckland. 77 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: He'll be leaving White Honey either today or early tomorrow, 78 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,559 Speaker 2: of course, after today's porphany. And the interesting thing about 79 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: White Honey is that most of the events actually happen 80 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: in the lead up to White Aney Day itself. We're 81 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 2: talking the porphany. We're talking the meetings. Of course, the 82 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: big thing about White Honey is the meetings that happen 83 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: in the side rooms and behind closed doors with ELI leaders, 84 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: different parties and things like that. So the day itself tomorrow, 85 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: we will be having a dawn service here at the 86 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: White Honey Treaty Grounds and then everyone kind of goes 87 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: off and does their own thing. Of course, there's live 88 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: performances here at the grounds. It's kind of like a 89 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: bit of a festival, vibe, food tracks, that sort of thing. 90 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: So there's not too many more formalities to happen here 91 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: in White Honey except of course today's porphanity and the 92 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: dawn service tomorrow. 93 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: Well, one of the largest ewi in the country, Nightahoo, 94 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: they're attending Waitangi celebrations this year for the first time 95 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: in more than two decades. My first question is why 96 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: has it been so long and why now? 97 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting. Nightaho of course based in the 98 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: South Island Ore, the fifth largest ewe in the country, 99 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: and they tend to do their own things. Some of 100 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: that is probably down to distance if we're honest. I mean, 101 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 2: they are a South Island e wee, as I said, 102 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: but they would always sort of have done their own thing. 103 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: The reason this year though, is Kotahitanga. You'll remember about 104 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 2: two years ago the late Kingi Tahitia sort of called 105 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: upon Mary to come together and show unity in the 106 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: face of what they saw as quite harmful policies from 107 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 2: the government, and as a result, Nightahoo this year has 108 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: decided to attend events here at Waititani. Last year they 109 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: held their events as usual in Canterbury, which Prime Minister 110 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: Chris Luxon actually attended himself. He's up here this year obviously, 111 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: so is Nightaho. They had a porpheity early this morning 112 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: on the lower Madi t Timdi just before the White 113 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: Tangy Bridge there, which was very well attended. So it 114 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: will be interesting to see the crowd from Natahu here 115 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: today as the politicians are welcomed on to the Midi. 116 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: We can move forward together as a country without being 117 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 3: the same, and without trying to pretend that we're all 118 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: going to be the same. That's what to treat your 119 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 3: white tongue is actually, in my view, all about. It's 120 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: the foundation on which we can all exist here together 121 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: and we can create a shared future together whilst recognizing 122 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: our differences. But I reflect on the value of Kurtahitannga 123 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: and one of the observations that I have as a 124 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 3: member of Parliament is where we come together as a 125 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 3: country with a shared commitment to do better, we can 126 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 3: achieve incredible things. 127 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: I saw the other day actually, Chris Hopkins. He took 128 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: aim at the government's review of provisions in twenty three 129 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: laws that include the principles of the Treaty and whether 130 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: or not to remove those clauses. Will that be a 131 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: big talking point do you think? 132 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it will. And as you say, Hipkins 133 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: has spoken about that this week, labeling the government anti 134 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: treaty and by extension anti Marty. Now, as I said before, 135 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: it's a little bit different this year because that sort 136 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: of big behemoth in terms of the Treaty Principles Bill, 137 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: we don't have. We've sort of got those little issues 138 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: on the periphery. These are things like removing today our 139 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: words from children's reading materials, you know, redesigning the passports 140 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: so New Zealand goes above. And I think the general 141 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: vibe of Marty here is that these are issues on 142 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: the side. Right, some of them see them as a 143 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,559 Speaker 2: little bit petty. These are small things. They're not major 144 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: things that's going to shape the Crown Marty relationship, but 145 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: it is very interesting to see how much Chris Hipkins 146 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: has been talking about that and the Greens as well. 147 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: Labor and the Greens came out in a show of 148 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: force at why Tongey straight off the bat. Do you reckon? 149 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: That's a bit of a taste of what's to come. 150 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting because usually an election year political parties, 151 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: I mean, people are aware that the Greens and Labor 152 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: are natural coalition partners, right, but especially in an election year, 153 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: they tend to do their own things. They put their 154 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: own case forward. Of course, they are very in different 155 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: policies on things like tax on things like climate change. 156 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: There's different thoughts there. But they did decide to come 157 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: together this week at White Honey, I guess to I 158 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 2: guess provide some contrast to the coalition. Of course, you've 159 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 2: got Winston Peter's kind of splitting with the government as 160 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 2: a whole at the moment over things like the India FTA. 161 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: Of course, National and Act had very different opinions on 162 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: the Treaty Principles Bill. So they're coming together to try 163 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 2: and show that can be a cohesive relationship together. Of course, 164 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: it didn't really work out for them that well, because 165 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: we had the news about Penny here today, Labour's most 166 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: senior Mahdi MP residing from parliament in a couple of weeks, 167 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: and that took all of the air out of what 168 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: they attempted to achieve. The other thing, of course, as 169 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: well to Party Marty, they aren't going to form government 170 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: on polls at the moment. Without to Party Mardi, they 171 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: were nowhere to be seen. And Chris Hipkins is repeating 172 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: his line at the moment that they have to sort 173 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: out their internal battles before he can consider them a 174 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: potential coalition partner. 175 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: Well, speaking of those internal battles, it's all happening in 176 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: Wellington courts at the moment. Hey, with Maria mental Carpakinghi's 177 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: situation there, tell me a little bit about how that's going. 178 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in court on Monday. 179 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 4: Now. 180 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: For those who aren't fully caught up with this, Mariameno 181 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: Cappakini was booted from the Mardy party late last year. 182 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: The reasons for that were allegedly misuse of party funds 183 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: and bringing the party into disrepute. Now she went to 184 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 2: the High court to try and I guess overturn that decision. 185 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: She's seeking an injunction that the decision was unlawful on 186 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: an interim basis. She was reinstated by the court late 187 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: last year to the party pending a full hearing, which 188 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: happened this week. I was in court on Monday and 189 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: it was very interesting. It was sort of both sides 190 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: going through the party constitution to see exactly what the 191 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: deal is here. Now the party constitution, the part where 192 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: that where she's been expelled talks about misuse of party funds. 193 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: The issue here actually is parliamentary funds. That is what 194 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: she's accused of misusing these legal definitions, does that fall 195 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: under party funds of the technically parliamentary funds. The other question, 196 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: of course, the other leg to her expulsion was bringing 197 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: the party into disrepute. The question is did she do 198 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: that or did her son do that? Edu Kappakinhi of 199 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: course came out labeled the party leadership dictatorial, and the 200 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: claim from carp Kingi's side is that part of his 201 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: comments are being lumped on her to try and paint 202 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: a picture of her being disloyal to the party. So 203 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: it's a very interesting case. Especially an election year and 204 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: especially up here at Whitetage as well. Of course, this 205 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: is Marty Amino Kapakiki's seat. This is Tea tay Tokoto. 206 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: She's here. She's just spoken at the Forum tenth earlier 207 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 2: this morning. So it will be very interesting to see 208 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 2: where the High Court lands when a decision comes out, 209 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: hopefully in the next few weeks. 210 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: And you mentioned there are big news this week with 211 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: Labour's Piano Henade calling time on politics. What did he say? 212 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: The reason was? 213 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: He said that he had considered it before the Christmas 214 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: break and decided to go away over summer and have 215 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: a think about whether he had a future in parliament. 216 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: Of course, it's been a pretty growing few years for 217 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: Penny Henna Day. He lost his seat of Tammacki Maikoto 218 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 2: at the twenty twenty three election, and then of course 219 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: the incumbent Marti Party MP there take taitash KEMP sadly 220 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: died in twenty twenty five, and there was a by 221 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: election help there last year which he lost by quite 222 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 2: a substantial margin to order any kaipitter, so he's probably 223 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: feeling on him. He freely admits that he's feeling a 224 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: bit bummed out. As a result of that, there is 225 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: some questions over whether anything else has happened here. Shane Jones, 226 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: the New Zealand First Minister who happens to be Penny 227 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: hen Nade's cousin, says he would like to hear the 228 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: whole story and he will be looking at the Kumit 229 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: Devine to see what he could glean in terms of 230 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: what's happened there. Penny Henade last night actually attended Shane 231 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: Jones's famous White Aney party, which is very interesting. The 232 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: other interesting thing here is the timing of it, right. 233 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: This happened while Labor and the Greens were holding their 234 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: sort of joint press conference there to try and set 235 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: the agenda with some sort of a guess show of solidarity, 236 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: and then this news comes in over the top. The 237 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: main question here has anything happened behind the scenes. The 238 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: interesting thing about Penny Henade that a lot of people 239 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: forget is that he's the most senior member of the 240 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: Labor Mardy caucus. Everyone looks at Willie Jackson, but Penny 241 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: Henade has been there since twenty fourteen, which is a 242 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: very long time, and served as a minister as well, 243 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: so it'd be interesting to see where he goes next. 244 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: He'll be leaving Parliament in the next few weeks and 245 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 2: I'm sure his valedictory speech will be one to watch. 246 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: Well, it was going to be on the horizon. I 247 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: saw that, Dave Latelli said on Herald Now a couple 248 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. 249 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 4: My New Year's resolution is actually be less worried about 250 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 4: the government. The serenity prayer they were with Tature can't 251 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 4: control I can't control them, So why am I so 252 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 4: stressed and depressed about them? But I was, you know, 253 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 4: I've always flirted with the idea. And then I was 254 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 4: asked by someone from the Labor Party, a good friend 255 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 4: of mine, if i'd want to run or come Mici Makota, if. 256 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: I'd just be keen. 257 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 4: Well. 258 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: I actually spoke to him this morning and I said, Dave, 259 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: obviously you knew something was going on. Is Shane Shane 260 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: Jones just stirring the pot or is there something more 261 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: of a nefarious He said that he didn't really seem 262 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: to know that there was anything going on, but he 263 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: did have a sneaking suspicion that Panna Hannah they would 264 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: give up the seat given that Willie Jackson came and 265 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: asked him about it, so stay tuned. 266 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 2: I suppose that was our suspicion as well. Of course 267 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: we heard that on on Herald now and I went 268 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: to Labor and said, what's going on here? The answer 269 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 2: I got back was that it was was just a 270 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: just a case, was the answer there. So clearly this 271 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: has been brewing for a week while. 272 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 5: New Zealand must continue to evolve in a way that 273 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 5: empowers Ewe and Mardi Whils steadfastly protecting the unity of 274 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 5: the country. And some people will take a different view 275 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 5: of the treaty to me, and that's fine. We can 276 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 5: manage our differences without tearing the house down. We are 277 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 5: a small nation at the bottom of the world, but 278 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 5: we are a mature nation, and we don't settle our 279 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 5: grievances in the street with violence. We settle them here 280 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 5: or on the marai, or in Parliament with robust and 281 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 5: sometimes very passionate debate. And we will continue to debate 282 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 5: each other with a certainty that each and every one 283 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 5: of us always will be These elders. 284 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: Now a big one. The road to the White Tonguey 285 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: Treaty grounds has been sealed, just in time. To welcome 286 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: obviously thousands of visitors over the next few days. Have 287 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: you seen it? Is it looking fresh? 288 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 4: I have? 289 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: This is actually a really good story. It's quite funny 290 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: as well. So there's two ways in and out of 291 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: White Honey. There's the one lane bridge, or the Muney 292 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: Bridge as we call it, where everyone jumps off into 293 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: the harbor below. Then there is the road out the 294 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: back of White Honey, which takes you back through into 295 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: pie here. Now, during White Honey, the bridge is closed. 296 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: It's just that main road out the back that everyone uses. 297 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: And for decades it's been a metal road. It's just 298 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: been gravel. And it got so hot and dry up 299 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: here during White Honey that the dust was so bad. 300 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: They would send a truck down there every day to 301 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: drop water all along the road to try and keep 302 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: the dust away. Well, last year, Speaker of the House, 303 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: Jerry Brownlee, was driving along that road, got to White Honey, 304 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: sat down with a few ministers and said, why the 305 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: hell is this road dust? Why can't we pave it? 306 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: The government did? Shane Jones and Tama Pawtucker found the 307 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: money one point six million dollars did it in collaboration 308 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: with the Far North District Council. Four hundred thousand dollars 309 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: they put into it, and it took them three months 310 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: to seal the road. It was completed two days ago 311 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: and it's a very very nice road and it's going 312 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: to make the drive to Whitehuggy a lot more comfortable. 313 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: And for a government that does face a lot of 314 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: criticism here at White Tangy, this has certainly carried them 315 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: a bit of favor. 316 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to save us a lot of on 317 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: a water bill as well, presumably. Thanks for joining us, Ethan, 318 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: Thanks Chelsea. That's it for this episode of the Front Page. 319 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: You can read more about today's stories and extensive news 320 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: coverage at enzidherld dot co dot enz The Front Page 321 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: is hosted and produced by me Chelsea Daniels Caine. Dicky 322 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: is our studio operator, Richard Martin, our producer and editor, 323 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: and our executive producer is Jane Ye. Follow the Front 324 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: Page on the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcast, 325 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: and join us next time for another look beyond the headlines. 326 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 3: Mm hmm.