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Speaker 1: It's time to welcome our politicians to the stage. Mark

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Speaker 1: Mitchell and Carmel Siper learning for Politics were to say hello.

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Speaker 2: Guys, morning morning, Camel morning.

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Speaker 1: Oh come on, that was that was.

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Speaker 3: My normal early morning deep voice.

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Speaker 1: That's her resting morning face. Camel. Come, I'll let you

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Speaker 1: warm up. What do you think about Darlene Tanna and

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Speaker 1: everything that happened over the last couple of days.

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Speaker 3: I think the general public would be pretty concerned. I

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Speaker 3: am of Green Patty. They've been through a lot recently.

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Speaker 3: They've made the right calls. I think Darlene should resign.

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Speaker 3: Uh and I can see why they can't allow her

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Speaker 1: Very good.

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Speaker 2: Mark, We're just this is a meta for the Green

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Speaker 1: Well, that's not what the that's not what the acting

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night and he went bam, this is a disgrace,

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Speaker 1: this is despicable, this is an outrage towards democracy. The

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Speaker 1: woman's got to go, and you're going to odds for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: of course, the Deputy Prime Minister bought legislation around the

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Speaker 2: Walker jumping, so you know he's got a stake in

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Speaker 2: the ground on that. But no, it's quite Some of

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Speaker 2: the opposition is that it doesn't matter for the Greens

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Speaker 2: and they are they are sorting it out.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but mate, you know she's taking the pay and

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Speaker 1: that continues. We're cutting government spending, but we're giving money

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Speaker 1: to Darlene Tarnat.

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Speaker 2: Look and if you if you are presentative, if you

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Speaker 2: are serving the people, and you are taking the pay,

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Speaker 2: then you front up and you do the job.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So I'll go back to Carme. I'll comel. I

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Speaker 1: think she's lost a mandate. Her mandate was granted to

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Speaker 1: I believe under electoral low she should just go. It

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Speaker 1: needs to be electoral law reform. How do you feel

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Speaker 3: Think she's just got to do the right thing. There

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Speaker 1: But she was not going to do the right thing.

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Speaker 1: She could have done the right thing one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fourteen days ago. She's not going to do that. She

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Speaker 1: believes in herself totally.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's her see how things go. I think there's

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Speaker 3: and that certainly is you need to step away.

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Speaker 2: I think Carmel's right. I think that Keywi's inherently have

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Speaker 1: All right, then, okay, this is good to Matt Doocy

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Speaker 1: here has not read the abuse report? Why not? Mark?

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Speaker 2: Well, from what I understand, it was a meeting that

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Speaker 2: he was quite simply asked to go that meeting to

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Speaker 1: For those who's not up with this, he revealed at

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Speaker 3: Should I do think he should have read it. You know,

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Speaker 3: his portfolios are completely related to much of what has

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Speaker 3: it's a hard slog when you're a minister. There are

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Speaker 2: He is I think, I think without a doubt he's

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Speaker 1: Is well, come on and mark. Every time a microphone

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Speaker 2: It's been reported, yeah, but it was a private meeting.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't in front of me or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: It was just a private constituent meeting. Normally, all of

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Speaker 1: The localists came out and said that they were disappointed,

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Speaker 1: He's got the report. He's a Minister of the Crown.

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Speaker 2: Of not full confidence has made. It's completely across what

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Speaker 1: So, Carmel, we are now determined that two hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty nine million dollars was spent over six years on

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Speaker 3: Oh? Look, these big infrastructure projects take a lot of

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Speaker 3: planning in The cost to planning them is huge. I

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Speaker 1: Why didn't it happen? Carmel, Oh, look.

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Speaker 3: You know, like there is disagreement, a lot of disagreement

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Speaker 1: Well, I did it fail because you had a plan

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Speaker 3: I'm certainly not going to past dis versions on my

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Speaker 1: Okay, Mark, was this two hundred and twenty nine million

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Speaker 1: Did you waste that money?

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Speaker 2: There's nothing to show for it, there's nothing that's been built,

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Speaker 2: I'd say it's a big waste to money. But look,

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Speaker 2: the delivery of the two Hooy to Wartworth has made

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Speaker 2: we know that these roads improve the quality of people's lives.

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Speaker 3: Who's got where the Aucklanders agree that, you know, the

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, there's a lot of way.

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Speaker 1: If we're talking about roads, let's talk about the tolling

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Speaker 1: But when you campaign last year everywhere, well they're going

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Speaker 2: No, definitely the aim is to get road started this

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Speaker 1: You'll you'll, you'll be drawing out, you'll be right drawing

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Speaker 2: Well, we're trying to One of the things that this

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Speaker 2: They used to have four experts that they can saddle with.

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Speaker 2: Now there's a list of about twenty. We've become experts

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Speaker 2: we need to speak things up.

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Speaker 1: Somebody's got their email line, turn it off immediately. It's

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Speaker 1: quite a funny. Carmo. Last question, are you guys seriously

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Speaker 3: We have not come up with any tax policy, Andrews,

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Speaker 3: So I'm certainly not going to speak to different types

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Speaker 3: of taxes, and I think it's important that the public

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Speaker 3: knows no decisions have been made around our tax policy.

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Speaker 3: We're certainly consulting with people out there the general public,

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Speaker 3: with experts about what any tax reforms could look like,

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Speaker 3: but we haven't landed on anything yet.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Mark, apparently, well the reason I'm talking about it

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Speaker 1: is that people are leaking about it. What do you

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Speaker 1: think about inheritance tax and capital gains tax? Apparently it

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Speaker 1: will be considered seriously at the next Labor conference at

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Speaker 1: the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, obviously our text policies are geared to

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Speaker 2: to put in more money back and the bit pockets

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Speaker 2: of key we especially when we're going through tough economic

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Speaker 2: times at the moment. But you know, all labor talk

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Speaker 2: to the text policies. They've obviously going to have some

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Speaker 2: prettyfficult decisions to I'm sure they'll be transparent with the

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Speaker 2: country as we sort of love towards any suits.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's he's just avoiding actually taking a hard stand.

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Speaker 1: He's did at the beginning of this interview and he's

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Speaker 1: doing it again at the end. Mark, good stuff, mate,

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Speaker 1: Mark Mitchell, Calmel Sipoloni and that is Politics Wednesday.

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