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Speaker 1: Commentators of blaming Donald Trump for the recent election results

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Speaker 1: in Australia at the weekend. On obviously in Canada as well.

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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, Ozzie Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi stormed to

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Speaker 1: a majority victory, apparently because his opponent Peter dusn't reminded

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Speaker 1: voters of Trump too much. Peter Dunn as a former

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Speaker 1: United Future leader and with us now, hey Peter, hi,

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Speaker 1: hell do you reckon? It was the Trump effect?

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Speaker 2: I think it was in large part, but I think

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Speaker 2: there was something else going on in Australia particularly, and

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Speaker 2: I suspect in Canada as well. Alban Aze he made

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Speaker 2: a very pertinent point in his victory speech when he

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Speaker 2: said this was a victory for Australian values. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's a very sane and sensible comment. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's a reaction to the Trump stuff, but it's also

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Speaker 2: about he talked about Australia and what Australian needed and

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Speaker 2: what Australians wanted, and I think that's a very powerful

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Speaker 2: message in this uncertain time. It's similar to Luxon's comment

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Speaker 2: about you know, well, given uncertainty, people go for the

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Speaker 2: status quo between the two that's the kernel of the

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Speaker 2: truth here, you know, talk about the real things, and

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Speaker 2: in that environment, people will opt for the thing they

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Speaker 2: know that certainly in the stability, rather than the fear

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Speaker 2: of the unknown.

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Speaker 1: So then therefore, would what do you think happens in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, Let's say we'll find ourselves in the

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Speaker 1: same situation with Trump and the global uncertainty. Does it

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Speaker 1: favor the left because the Trump, you know, the right

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Speaker 1: reminds people too much of Trump? Or does it favor

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Speaker 1: the current government because they are the incumbents.

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Speaker 2: I think it actually comes down to what both do.

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Speaker 2: On the face of the international experience from Canada and

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Speaker 2: Australia would say it would favor the incumbent government. But

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Speaker 2: then because both were left wing governments, you might say, well,

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Speaker 2: that's a balance the other way. I think it'll come

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Speaker 2: down to policies, and I think what the message arising

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Speaker 2: out of all of this, and again going back to

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Speaker 2: Albanisi's Australian Values monika, that parties that sort of try

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Speaker 2: and import solutions or promote policies that are out of

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Speaker 2: step with the national mainstream and not what people are

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Speaker 2: seeking at the moment. So that's a challenge. You know,

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Speaker 2: in Australia it's been assumed that was done in the

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Speaker 2: right and the Trump stuff, but it could equally be

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Speaker 2: the left. And I'll give you a very specific local

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Speaker 2: example Tory Fino and Wellington as mayor talk still about

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Speaker 2: being a transformational mayor that wasn't appreciated. That's the point

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Speaker 2: when you lose the public, you lose your credibility and

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Speaker 2: you lose your support and I think that's the real

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Speaker 2: message here. So for Labor and National it's about their

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Speaker 2: policies and their policies being credible, and their policies being

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Speaker 2: in line with what the mainstream of New Zealand voters want,

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Speaker 2: and then it's a matter of choice from there.

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Speaker 1: Peter, it's always good to talk to you. Thank you

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. As Peter Dunn, former United Future leader.

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