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Speaker 1: On the huddle of me. You've got Connor English, director

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Speaker 1: at Wellington government relations firm Silvery and Mark Sainsbury broadcast

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Speaker 1: to hell are you two?

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Speaker 2: Can I hear that new phone just for you? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Was there a problem with your last phone?

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Speaker 2: You remember my ear keep hutting the mute button?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I thought that was an ear problem, not

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Speaker 1: a phone problem.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, the new phone. Everything's laid out in a

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Speaker 2: different ways. So oh, look, we won't eat from noother

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Speaker 2: couple of months.

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Speaker 1: But you know, your commitment to this show is just unrivaled.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, says, So tell me what do

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Speaker 1: you think should happen to this chap?

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Speaker 2: See? See it's interesting. I mean I think the idea. Look,

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Speaker 2: the media, you know they shouldn't publicize it. Well, what

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Speaker 2: if it was a member of you know, being a

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Speaker 2: member of the you know, secretary of the Labor Party,

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Speaker 2: or had some vested interests. Of course the media going

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Speaker 2: to sort of chase it up. But I do you

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Speaker 2: have to find myself agreeing with you? Actually, Heather, I

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Speaker 2: think that yep, fair enough. The company is embarrassed and

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Speaker 2: they want to do something about it that does have

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Speaker 2: shades of sort of Trump and the law firms. But

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Speaker 2: that's fair enough. But whether the discipline he needs a

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Speaker 2: bollocking is he may well put in himself for being

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Speaker 2: an idiot, but I don't think it should customer's job.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Connor.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's sort of bad manners to shout at people

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Speaker 3: when they're making a six hundred million dollar announcement about

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Speaker 3: investments and trains, which I think this guy had.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming he'd just jumped off a train, so he

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Speaker 1: should be grateful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I yeah, well it should be. I suppose

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Speaker 3: that he obviously had a view about other issues and

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Speaker 3: that's distracted it. And you spend all day talking about,

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Speaker 3: you know, the interacts between him and Winston So which

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Speaker 3: is a bit of a shame about the policy issue,

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Speaker 3: I guess from the from the government's perspective, But I

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Speaker 3: don't think he should be fired.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's just bad manners.

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Speaker 3: And I can understand the employer apologizing because you know,

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Speaker 3: if you had one of your employees in that situation

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Speaker 3: the abundance of caution, of course you apologize because that's

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Speaker 3: a polite thing to do.

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Speaker 4: You need more polite people in the world.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I think you probably also

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Speaker 1: be embarrassed as T and T that you managed to

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Speaker 1: hire such a numpty who's best retorted the Deputy Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister was to say, oh, bollocks. It was just so lame,

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Speaker 1: wasn't it. Speaking of apologies, saying so, do you think

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Speaker 1: that Chippy should apologize to Judith Collins for quite clearly

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Speaker 1: misquoting her in a way that makes her look like

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Speaker 1: a racist?

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's sort of You've got to be

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Speaker 2: so careful with that sort of stuff. I mean, because

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Speaker 2: you'll end up it comes back and sort of, you know,

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Speaker 2: wax you on the chops because you didn't do it properly.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it could well be I mean, it's yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's that. It's such a fraud issue, and it's such

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Speaker 2: a is.

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Speaker 1: It fraud those says it doesn't feel it doesn't fraut.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel fraut to me. If Judith says the

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Speaker 1: lack of civility from the Maori Party and then you

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Speaker 1: reinterpret that as uncivilized behavior from Indigenous people, that just

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Speaker 1: seems to me that is just you are mischaracterizing what

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Speaker 1: she said out and out.

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Speaker 2: And again it's one of those things. Knock it on

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Speaker 2: the head, knock it on the head. Don't let it

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Speaker 2: keep you know, he's going to sort it out. If

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Speaker 2: you look back and think, yeah, look I was a

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Speaker 2: bit fust and loose with that, then sort it. Otherwise

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Speaker 2: it just drags on and he said, she said, and

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Speaker 2: all these sort of other things start coming through.

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Speaker 1: It just kind of the problem is it makes it

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Speaker 1: makes Chippy look slippery.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, it's better if people are very clear about

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Speaker 3: what they said. And it just seems to be a

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Speaker 3: wee bit of confusion in this situation, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: Is it confusion?

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Speaker 2: Connor?

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Speaker 1: Or is this a classic case of Chippy getting busted

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Speaker 1: twisting the facts, which actually is something he does quite

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Speaker 1: a lot with a smiling face.

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Speaker 4: Oh he's got a nice smiling face, he does, isn't he.

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Speaker 3: And he's very good at engaging with the media and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, okay, I feel like you're pulling your punches

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Speaker 1: on him, So I'm going to talk to you about

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Speaker 1: that later. Right, take a break back to you guys, Right,

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Speaker 1: you're back of the huddle. Connor English and Mark Sainsbury Connor.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any problem with those vouchers being handed

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Speaker 1: out at ED.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think it seems to be quite a pragmatic solution,

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Speaker 4: doesn't it. I mean, ideally you wouldn't have so many

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Speaker 4: people going to ED anyway and you know, fit and healthy,

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Speaker 4: but it does seem to be a lot of people

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Speaker 4: who do. And if you can get the overfly through

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Speaker 4: quocket by going down the road you know Philly Boots really.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, problem here, Sainso is when people start gaming at

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Speaker 1: a like now that people are aware of it, you

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent know that there will people who will

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Speaker 1: be people who will not go to the GP, but

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Speaker 1: will go to ED knowing they can get a voucher

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Speaker 1: and get seen for free down at the White Cross.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's always there's always going to be that. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: the fact that they're having to resort to giving out

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Speaker 2: vouchers I am not happy with, as it says that

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Speaker 2: the system is in coping with what it's designed for.

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Speaker 2: But you know the risk of us all being in

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Speaker 2: unison if you're second you need treatment, look anything at

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Speaker 2: work and if a voucher is going to help, and

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Speaker 2: it's seems have made a huge difference in numbers in

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Speaker 2: particularly in that area. Then let it happen. You know,

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Speaker 2: we can't all stand on principle and this is terrible.

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Speaker 2: We should be putting the money into the health system.

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Speaker 2: You're quite correct, But people are waiting for treatment. It's

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Speaker 2: just unconscionable how long people have to wait at these

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Speaker 2: at the emergency centers. And if this is a way

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Speaker 2: out of it, even if it's a temporary solution, then

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Speaker 2: all power of their own Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would agree with that.

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Speaker 2: I don't now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're doing the same thing with operations too, aren't we.

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Speaker 4: Which you know that there's not enough capacity in the

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Speaker 4: public sector. If you can throw some overflow into the

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Speaker 4: private sector and get the job done quicker makes sense too,

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Speaker 4: doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: It does absolutely connor. What are you looking for in

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Speaker 1: the big budget tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Well, fully, funnily enough, I'm looking for the government to

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Speaker 4: provide some funding for early detection of prostate cancer. It's

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Speaker 4: a little hobby horse. I've heard for a while for

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Speaker 4: a pilot at one point six million a year out

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Speaker 4: of thirty billion dollars a year. But it's not a

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Speaker 4: big ark, but it will make a big difference to men's help.

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Speaker 4: But other than that, I'm just hoping that the government

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Speaker 4: delivers a good, good, sort of sensible budget that I

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Speaker 4: think is going to be focused on growth, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: So we all want thes On to progress and invest

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Speaker 4: in the right places and make a difference, so the

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Speaker 4: boat goes faster.

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Speaker 1: What about you, Sanza?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I can't help but endorse Connor on the

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Speaker 2: on the prostate. It's men's health. Were coming up on

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Speaker 2: the ninth of fifteenth of June, so it'll be a

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Speaker 2: great thing for that. And because there's still a lot

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Speaker 2: of a lot of disparity, two out of four Mari

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Speaker 2: men won't get the gold card just by the way.

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Speaker 2: So that's but what I'm looking for all this talk,

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Speaker 2: they've dampened down expectations, are saying that there's not going

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Speaker 2: to be this, it's not gonna be that, it's not

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Speaker 2: gonna be a lollly scramble. What I'm curious to see

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Speaker 2: is whether there's they've got anything they're going to pull

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Speaker 2: out of the hat that is going to surprise us.

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Speaker 1: You've been there too many times, haven't ye, saying Zoe,

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Speaker 1: and heard them say it's not going to be a

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Speaker 1: lolly scramble, that's right, and then it's a lolly stradle.

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Speaker 2: So I'll be I'll be tuned in at five past

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Speaker 2: five tomorrow, Heather.

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Speaker 1: Oh thanks, say so, let me just be absolutely clear

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Speaker 1: to what will you be tuned in.

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Speaker 2: I'll be tuned into you, Heather. Can you be talking

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Speaker 2: to the finance minister? That's what I'll be tuned in.

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Speaker 1: You'll get your commission in the mail later on. I

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Speaker 1: really are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what No, I'm just going to say, look, the

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Speaker 2: one good thing you know, because you know you have

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Speaker 2: your own sort of style, but one good thing you're

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Speaker 2: an equal opportunity aggressive interviewer.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's something you have your own little

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Speaker 1: style saying so elaborate please.

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Speaker 2: Because you have you have one thing about you you

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Speaker 2: don't die wanting to know. You have very definite and

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Speaker 2: strong views on things, job descriptions. To stop be being robust.

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Speaker 1: Thank you sayin so. I appreciate that. I just I

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Speaker 1: thought there might have been a little bit of a thought.

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Speaker 1: I thought, oh, there's a niggle coming from saying so,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to have to sort him out and over

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Speaker 1: and they saved himself. What a what a feminist.

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