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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident build Up Podcast with Peter

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Speaker 1: wolf Camp from News Talks at.

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Speaker 2: By the house sizzor even when it's dark.

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Speaker 3: Even when the grass is overgrown in the yard, and

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Speaker 3: even when the dog is too old to bar, and

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Speaker 3: when you're sitting at the table trying.

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Speaker 4: To start.

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Speaker 3: Scissor home, even when we again, even when you're there alone,

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Speaker 3: house Sizzle.

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Speaker 5: People, American Morning, and welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the show

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Speaker 5: this morning morning's Peat wolf Camp the Resident Builder, and

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Speaker 5: this is the Resident Builder on Sunday, an opportunity to discuss, debate, argue, confrontate.

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Speaker 5: Is that a word confrontate? I don't think you'd usually

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Speaker 5: normally use it in this context. But we can talk

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Speaker 5: all things building, construction, home maintenance, renovation, product selection, we

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Speaker 5: can talk about contractors and contracts. We can talk about

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Speaker 5: all things building on the show this morning. So very

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Speaker 5: good morning and welcome, welcome to the show this Sunday morning,

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Speaker 5: twenty eighth of July. Crikey. That makes next week, well,

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Speaker 5: at the end of this week, August already ah see,

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Speaker 5: And every time another month takes over, I keep thinking

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Speaker 5: about all of those things that are on my to

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Speaker 5: do list. I was going to replace the ballisters. I

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Speaker 5: was going to replace the decking on the veranda at

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Speaker 5: the back of the house. I was going to finish

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Speaker 5: the scrolls underneath the windows. I was going to add

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Speaker 5: some spouting to the shed. Crikey. And that's just my

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Speaker 5: top four jobs that I had to get done. I'm still,

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Speaker 5: I'm still. It'll be next week, It'll be next week.

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Speaker 5: So we're all in the same boat. But if you've

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Speaker 5: got a job that you've actually managed to crack into

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Speaker 5: and maybe it's going reasonably well, maybe it's not going

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Speaker 5: so well, and you'd like to talk about it and

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Speaker 5: maybe get a bit of advice as to how to

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Speaker 5: get things going. I may not be much use in

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Speaker 5: terms of actually getting things going, but hey, we'll give

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Speaker 5: it a crack. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 5: the number to call. A little later on in the show,

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Speaker 5: we'll catch up with Mike Colds from Ze Construction Systems.

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Speaker 5: Just a couple of new ideas out there, and then

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Speaker 5: we're actually going to talk in between sort of just

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Speaker 5: after the eight o'clock news, Tiles and tile selection, And

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Speaker 5: because it's it's it's both deceptively simple and incredibly complex

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Speaker 5: in terms of making the right choice. I'm just I'm

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Speaker 5: distracted by the first text that I knew this was

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Speaker 5: going to happen. I'll explain this in just a moment.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of choice around tiles, and there's a

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Speaker 5: couple of sort of basic principles that you need to

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Speaker 5: think of when you're choosing tiles. Amanda from Tiles Space

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Speaker 5: is going to join me after eight o'clock this morning.

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Speaker 5: Red Climb Pass will be with us as well from

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Speaker 5: eight thirty this morning, so it's going to be We're

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Speaker 5: into it. We're into it, folks. Eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 5: eighty is the number to call if you'd like to text.

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Speaker 5: If you'd like to text about building issues, that would

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Speaker 5: be great. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 5: to call. And if you'd like to email me, if

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Speaker 5: you've got a photo or something like that you want

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Speaker 5: to send, then it's Pete at newstalks'db dot co dot

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Speaker 5: m Z right. First two texts off the bat. Thank

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Speaker 5: god you returned to that song. It's the best I

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Speaker 5: knew this was going to happen. My fault because I've

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Speaker 5: Jack's working with me today and he I didn't bring

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Speaker 5: him up to date about the change to the theme song.

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Speaker 5: Second text, great to hear the house. Tune back starting

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Speaker 5: your show. Oh, anyway, we'll get onto the dilemmas talking

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Speaker 5: about texts. Also, now I want you calls this morning,

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Speaker 5: calls later in the show. So if you've got a

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Speaker 5: building question this morning, call now. Oh eight hundred and

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Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty is that number to call? The on

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Speaker 5: the text last week I decided kind of part way

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Speaker 5: through the show, although I had thought about it beforehand

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Speaker 5: a little bit, that I would run a completely unscientific, unreliable,

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Speaker 5: The moot was the question was, could you, where you

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Speaker 5: now if this is live, this is awesome. Erica Fairweather,

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Speaker 5: the New Zealand swimmer, has topped the qualifying so she

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Speaker 5: has won her qualifying in the women's four hundred meter freestyle,

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Speaker 5: which is remarkable. So very convincing performance by Erica Fairweather

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Speaker 5: we'll keep an eye on the Olympics this morning as well.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, the poll was could you put a sixty

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Speaker 5: while it sounds like a good idea, very few people

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Speaker 5: we did a pole simple yes no, hoping that people

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Speaker 5: we got flooded with text messages, which was awesome. And

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Speaker 5: just in case you're wondering, roughly, because to be fair,

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Speaker 5: I couldn't count every single one of them. The yess

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Speaker 5: would have been somewhere around let's say we got it's

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Speaker 5: close to one hundred votes, right, I would have thought

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Speaker 5: it would have been seventy five percent would have said no.

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Speaker 5: So obviously a lot more people, well a lot more

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Speaker 5: listeners great, live in areas where they've got a little

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Speaker 5: bit more space. Certainly, where I live, we couldn't put

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Speaker 5: sixty square meter minor dwelling on our property. We just

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Speaker 5: don't have the space. But obviously a number of you

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Speaker 5: be somewhere else. That's awesome. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 5: eighty to call. If you've got questions of a building nature,

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Speaker 5: us a call. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number.

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Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor, get the right advice from

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Speaker 1: Beeter Wolfcab the resident builder with light four solar, save

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Speaker 1: on solar and earn airpoints.

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Speaker 4: Dollars used talk set B your.

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Speaker 5: Used talks B eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 5: going to be a lot of discussion, enormous amount of

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Speaker 5: very brief introduction on my part. There's been a lot

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Speaker 5: did a whole lot of work to introduce for example,

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Speaker 5: And those changes came into effect from the first of

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Speaker 5: and some people have argued that that's added in thirty

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Speaker 5: argued that it's added less than that. I think certainly

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Speaker 5: the government has seized upon the notion that it's added

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Speaker 5: a significant amount of cost to the building process. Therefore,

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Speaker 5: can we make building more affordable by winding back the

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Speaker 5: H one changes. So, if you're at all familiar with it,

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Speaker 5: it's going to be a yes or no. Should the

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Speaker 5: that in the next hour. We're also because the Olympics

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Speaker 5: meter freestyle event. We will take that for your lives.

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Speaker 5: Let's get amongst the talk first, Steve, good morning.

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Speaker 7: Welcome morning.

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Speaker 8: You know we've been debating a point on this floor

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Speaker 8: under floor insulation. Yes, a little friend down the road

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Speaker 8: that's putting a whole new floor in the kitchen yep,

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Speaker 8: and he's got no crawl space or very little. It

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Speaker 8: was a concrete floor which we broke up and put

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Speaker 8: joyce and put plastic down yep, and again to put

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Speaker 8: tongue and grew flooring. And it looked nice when it's done.

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Speaker 8: But the debate is now he's going to retrofit insulation

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Speaker 8: and the floor underfloor installation. Now in my house it's

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Speaker 8: at the bottom of the joist and it's staple turret,

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Speaker 8: all right, So there's a gap between the insulation and

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Speaker 8: the floor. Yes, in his case, he's debating as he's

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Speaker 7: Plastic there, yep.

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Speaker 6: Good.

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Speaker 8: Should there be a gap between insulation and the floor, Well.

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Speaker 5: That's a really good question. I would say that he

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Speaker 5: the insulation will be more effective if he staples it

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Speaker 5: to the inside of the joist as close to the

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Speaker 5: flooring as possible.

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Speaker 8: Okay, Yeah, just the way our mind's been done.

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Speaker 5: There's gap, yeah, which is kind of okay. And the

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Speaker 5: reason that I'm suggesting that the gap needs to be

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Speaker 5: as small as possible is that the basic way that

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Speaker 5: insulation works as trapping air, right, because air is a

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Speaker 5: poor conductor of heat. And one of the things that

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Speaker 5: happens in when you've trapped air is that if there

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Speaker 5: is air movement, then you're still going to get heat

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Speaker 5: loss by via convection, right, air moving around. So if

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Speaker 5: you had your insulation at the bottom of the joists

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Speaker 5: or even drap underneath the joists, then wherever there is

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Speaker 5: which is enhancing the heat loss.

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Speaker 8: So when he puts the when he puts his bit,

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Speaker 8: and you'll staple them to the top of the jewist,

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Speaker 8: so there's no gap between the installation and the flooring.

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Speaker 5: Ideally, the gap should be as small as possible. You

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Speaker 5: won't staple them to the top of the joist because

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Speaker 5: that's where you're going to nail your tongue and grow flooring,

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Speaker 5: so you would staple it to the inside of the joist,

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Speaker 5: right the inside, but as close to the top as possible.

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Speaker 8: As close to the top as possible, okay, because there's

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Speaker 8: no cruel space at that point. We've put breastick down

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Speaker 5: all the best bay quick text. Not about the songs.

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Speaker 5: I get it, guys, I really do. Hey, Pete, bang

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much for texting that through. I've been

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Speaker 4: A moment.

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Speaker 1: Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident

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Speaker 5: News talks be Pete wolf Camp resid build it with

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Speaker 5: it in a nutshell, isn't it. You've got a question,

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Speaker 9: Good morning if Peter, I haven't talked to you for

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Speaker 9: I'm calling on behalf of my sister. Actually, she bought

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Speaker 9: Route Climb pasta a app that you can take photos

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Speaker 9: she was going to paint over it, but if it's native,

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Speaker 5: The app was the old Jedi Master Builder. They're the

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Speaker 9: No varnish paint over it, so you can see the

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Speaker 5: That'd be great. Okay, all the best, Thank you, Shane,

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Speaker 5: If you've got a building question. Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 10: We purchased the how about a year ago. It's a

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm.

432
00:24:51,055 --> 00:24:53,055
Speaker 5: You're not doing anything wrong that the house is not

433
00:24:53,295 --> 00:24:55,895
Speaker 5: doing its job. So it sounds like you're doing what

434
00:24:56,055 --> 00:24:58,735
Speaker 5: you know that you should do, which is, we've got

435
00:24:58,775 --> 00:25:02,175
Speaker 5: a fan, so we should use it ideally, either having

436
00:25:02,215 --> 00:25:05,655
Speaker 5: the window open or allowing sufficient here to enter the

437
00:25:05,735 --> 00:25:08,375
Speaker 5: bathroom when the fan is on stops the fan having

438
00:25:08,455 --> 00:25:12,095
Speaker 5: to work so hard. So one of the things. So

439
00:25:12,415 --> 00:25:14,135
Speaker 5: I had a similar issue with a property that I

440
00:25:14,215 --> 00:25:18,295
Speaker 5: look after right and persistent mold growth on the ceiling,

441
00:25:18,415 --> 00:25:20,855
Speaker 5: quite a lot of condensation on the ceiling when the

442
00:25:21,295 --> 00:25:25,255
Speaker 5: occupants used the bathroom. We had installed a new fan,

443
00:25:25,495 --> 00:25:27,495
Speaker 5: so I was a little bit perplexed as to why

444
00:25:27,615 --> 00:25:30,215
Speaker 5: I was still getting these issues in One of the

445
00:25:30,295 --> 00:25:32,655
Speaker 5: little things that I did end up changing was I

446
00:25:32,775 --> 00:25:35,135
Speaker 5: took the door off and I cut more off the

447
00:25:35,175 --> 00:25:37,695
Speaker 5: bottom of the door. So the gap used to be

448
00:25:37,935 --> 00:25:41,055
Speaker 5: let's say two or three millimeters between the tile and

449
00:25:41,135 --> 00:25:44,175
Speaker 5: the floor, and I cut that down, cut the door down,

450
00:25:44,255 --> 00:25:47,295
Speaker 5: so I had a gap of about seven or eight millimeters. Now,

451
00:25:47,735 --> 00:25:49,975
Speaker 5: so what that means is when the doors closed and

452
00:25:50,055 --> 00:25:53,655
Speaker 5: the fan is on it, it's as the fan is

453
00:25:53,735 --> 00:25:57,615
Speaker 5: extracting air from the room it's allowing airflow into the room,

454
00:25:58,495 --> 00:26:00,815
Speaker 5: and that made quite a big difference. The other thing

455
00:26:00,895 --> 00:26:04,295
Speaker 5: I did was I kind of stopped, asked them to

456
00:26:04,335 --> 00:26:06,975
Speaker 5: stop using the bathroom for a period of time, went

457
00:26:07,135 --> 00:26:11,295
Speaker 5: and cleaned everything down really, really thoroughly, and then applied

458
00:26:12,455 --> 00:26:15,615
Speaker 5: paint that has some mold resistance to it, so a

459
00:26:15,735 --> 00:26:20,935
Speaker 5: water born enamel. But so that might be part of

460
00:26:21,135 --> 00:26:24,295
Speaker 5: the sort of remediation of this. Yes, I would check

461
00:26:24,375 --> 00:26:27,815
Speaker 5: that the fan is one of the things is check

462
00:26:27,895 --> 00:26:31,335
Speaker 5: that the fan actually ducks to the outside. It is

463
00:26:31,495 --> 00:26:35,335
Speaker 5: not uncommon, unfortunately, to see fans and bathrooms that are

464
00:26:35,415 --> 00:26:38,295
Speaker 5: literally a grill in the ceiling with the motor behind it,

465
00:26:38,375 --> 00:26:40,495
Speaker 5: so you can hear it wearing, But then it's not

466
00:26:40,615 --> 00:26:43,855
Speaker 5: connected to anything right, so there's no ducting from the

467
00:26:44,015 --> 00:26:46,975
Speaker 5: fan to the actual outside. The other thing is that

468
00:26:47,215 --> 00:26:49,815
Speaker 5: typically back in the eighties we might have put in

469
00:26:49,895 --> 00:26:54,495
Speaker 5: one hundred millimeter ducting, which is not enough. So one

470
00:26:54,535 --> 00:26:56,055
Speaker 5: of the things you could do is look at getting

471
00:26:56,055 --> 00:26:59,415
Speaker 5: an electrician to come in replace the fan with one that's,

472
00:26:59,495 --> 00:27:03,655
Speaker 5: let say, one hundred and fifty millimeters in diameter. And

473
00:27:03,935 --> 00:27:05,895
Speaker 5: if you were doing that electrical work, I would also

474
00:27:05,975 --> 00:27:08,495
Speaker 5: get a fan that has a timer on it so

475
00:27:08,615 --> 00:27:11,255
Speaker 5: that when you've finished in the bathroom and you turn

476
00:27:11,375 --> 00:27:15,175
Speaker 5: the fan off, the fan will continue to run, let's say,

477
00:27:15,255 --> 00:27:18,375
Speaker 5: for five or ten minutes after you've turned the power off,

478
00:27:19,215 --> 00:27:22,535
Speaker 5: because the longer the extraction runs, the more moisture it's

479
00:27:22,535 --> 00:27:25,615
Speaker 5: able to extract, and the more ventilation it'll it'll provide.

480
00:27:26,095 --> 00:27:27,935
Speaker 5: So that's one of those things to do. The other

481
00:27:28,015 --> 00:27:32,775
Speaker 5: one is, do you have any often bathrooms get you know,

482
00:27:33,375 --> 00:27:35,775
Speaker 5: you know you're in there, you're creating steam, which is

483
00:27:36,055 --> 00:27:40,655
Speaker 5: moist air, and then that settles on surfaces and if

484
00:27:40,695 --> 00:27:44,415
Speaker 5: it's not dried off, it tends to promote mold growth.

485
00:27:44,895 --> 00:27:47,815
Speaker 5: So having like a heated towel rail just to keep

486
00:27:47,895 --> 00:27:51,255
Speaker 5: the ambient temperature of the room up is a bit

487
00:27:51,295 --> 00:27:54,655
Speaker 5: of an advantage. And then when it comes time to

488
00:27:54,895 --> 00:27:59,095
Speaker 5: repair or to remediate the bathroom, then I would there

489
00:27:59,175 --> 00:28:02,495
Speaker 5: are some very good but quite aggressive cleaners that you

490
00:28:02,615 --> 00:28:05,735
Speaker 5: can use to tackle the mold growth, right because the

491
00:28:05,855 --> 00:28:10,775
Speaker 5: spore literally in the fabric of the walls, right, they're

492
00:28:10,855 --> 00:28:14,815
Speaker 5: in the walls. So again this bathroom that I did recently,

493
00:28:15,055 --> 00:28:18,455
Speaker 5: I went in with moss and mold cleaner which I

494
00:28:18,535 --> 00:28:22,055
Speaker 5: got from Razine. When I got it on my shirt.

495
00:28:22,215 --> 00:28:24,175
Speaker 5: It took the color out of my shirt. So that's

496
00:28:24,215 --> 00:28:26,815
Speaker 5: the sort of material that we're talking right. So I

497
00:28:26,895 --> 00:28:30,255
Speaker 5: got in there, I washed every I applied the coat.

498
00:28:30,575 --> 00:28:32,615
Speaker 5: I left it on for twenty four hours. Then I

499
00:28:32,695 --> 00:28:36,295
Speaker 5: went and rinsed it off really thoroughly. I sanded the surface.

500
00:28:36,455 --> 00:28:40,495
Speaker 5: I applied oil based primers, and then I used actually

501
00:28:40,535 --> 00:28:44,335
Speaker 5: an oil based top coat and it's been really really good.

502
00:28:44,495 --> 00:28:48,135
Speaker 5: Upgraded the fan, added ventilation, made sure that the heated

503
00:28:48,215 --> 00:28:51,535
Speaker 5: towel rail stays on, and then that solved most of it.

504
00:28:53,295 --> 00:28:54,615
Speaker 5: So a couple of things there to day.

505
00:28:54,615 --> 00:28:59,175
Speaker 10: Just one question around there around the growthing. Should should

506
00:28:59,215 --> 00:29:01,255
Speaker 10: I look at that that spot more than the growthing

507
00:29:01,495 --> 00:29:04,935
Speaker 10: in the shower and in the basement of the shower. Again,

508
00:29:05,215 --> 00:29:08,775
Speaker 10: you just used that scene solution on there no good.

509
00:29:09,055 --> 00:29:12,055
Speaker 5: And for those sorts of things, things like exit mold,

510
00:29:12,175 --> 00:29:16,255
Speaker 5: for example, is actually quite effective. So exit mold works

511
00:29:16,335 --> 00:29:19,735
Speaker 5: really well. If, for example, the silicon has got mold

512
00:29:19,895 --> 00:29:24,175
Speaker 5: in behind it, you could remove the silicon, clean the area,

513
00:29:24,375 --> 00:29:27,575
Speaker 5: let it dry thoroughly, and then reapply the silicon, or

514
00:29:27,655 --> 00:29:30,095
Speaker 5: have someone come and do the silicon if you wanted

515
00:29:30,135 --> 00:29:34,015
Speaker 5: to have the whole tiled shower cleaned. There are a

516
00:29:34,055 --> 00:29:36,215
Speaker 5: couple of companies out there that will come through and

517
00:29:36,375 --> 00:29:39,615
Speaker 5: do like a really intense clean and then they'll redo

518
00:29:39,735 --> 00:29:42,175
Speaker 5: the ground, redo the silicon for you, so you can

519
00:29:42,255 --> 00:29:46,055
Speaker 5: upgrade the appearance of the shower without necessarily having to

520
00:29:46,135 --> 00:29:47,175
Speaker 5: replace all the tiles.

521
00:29:49,215 --> 00:29:49,695
Speaker 7: Fantastic.

522
00:29:49,775 --> 00:29:52,975
Speaker 5: That's another option for Thanks very much, nice chatting all

523
00:29:53,015 --> 00:29:56,175
Speaker 5: the best. All right you Liam, You take care of

524
00:29:56,415 --> 00:30:04,135
Speaker 5: the quick consultation with my uber professional producer Jack this morning.

525
00:30:04,855 --> 00:30:08,735
Speaker 5: Do we take another call Jack, Let's go to a break.

526
00:30:08,815 --> 00:30:11,215
Speaker 5: Let's do that. We've got live sport coming up in

527
00:30:11,375 --> 00:30:12,135
Speaker 5: just a moment as well.

528
00:30:13,455 --> 00:30:18,415
Speaker 1: Measured twice, God once, but maybe call Pete first. Peter Wolfcamp,

529
00:30:18,615 --> 00:30:21,615
Speaker 1: the resident builder with light four solar. It's like the

530
00:30:21,695 --> 00:30:24,215
Speaker 1: switch to solar today. Used talks that'd be.

531
00:30:26,095 --> 00:30:26,455
Speaker 12: Very good.

532
00:30:26,815 --> 00:30:30,935
Speaker 5: Text is coming around building regulations for roof ventilation. But

533
00:30:31,055 --> 00:30:33,095
Speaker 5: there's a bit in that, so I'm going to save

534
00:30:33,215 --> 00:30:35,095
Speaker 5: that and come back to you on that one. Hey Joan,

535
00:30:35,175 --> 00:30:36,095
Speaker 5: good morning to you.

536
00:30:36,735 --> 00:30:38,015
Speaker 13: Oh, good morning, Pete.

537
00:30:39,135 --> 00:30:39,935
Speaker 11: I just have a.

538
00:30:41,575 --> 00:30:46,735
Speaker 13: Question. I'm having a stairlift installed and I wondered if

539
00:30:46,775 --> 00:30:49,775
Speaker 13: you've got any advice or any questions that you can

540
00:30:49,855 --> 00:30:54,135
Speaker 13: suggest I make right have.

541
00:30:54,255 --> 00:30:57,615
Speaker 5: You got more than one provider, like, are there multiple

542
00:30:57,695 --> 00:30:58,655
Speaker 5: companies that you can.

543
00:30:58,575 --> 00:31:01,495
Speaker 13: Talk to or is it really just really there's the

544
00:31:01,775 --> 00:31:02,735
Speaker 13: very few out.

545
00:31:02,575 --> 00:31:07,215
Speaker 5: There, And I could understand that. I guess what you'd

546
00:31:07,215 --> 00:31:10,135
Speaker 5: be looking for is what sort of warranty do they offer, right,

547
00:31:10,495 --> 00:31:12,695
Speaker 5: how long have they been in business and what warranty

548
00:31:13,215 --> 00:31:16,495
Speaker 5: so and will they, for example, give you at the end,

549
00:31:17,175 --> 00:31:21,135
Speaker 5: like a certificate of completion where they say the work

550
00:31:21,175 --> 00:31:24,615
Speaker 5: has been done in accordance to best practice and we

551
00:31:24,855 --> 00:31:28,975
Speaker 5: warranty it for this amount of time. I would say

552
00:31:29,015 --> 00:31:30,975
Speaker 5: that most of the people working in this field are

553
00:31:31,175 --> 00:31:34,855
Speaker 5: probably pretty specialized and probably very very good.

554
00:31:35,015 --> 00:31:38,775
Speaker 13: So yes, so they've all been very well, they've been

555
00:31:38,895 --> 00:31:42,495
Speaker 13: very professional and all that they've provided for me, and

556
00:31:42,975 --> 00:31:46,655
Speaker 13: so I've just really gone ahead. But I thought you

557
00:31:46,775 --> 00:31:49,815
Speaker 13: might have some suggestions that I haven't thought about it.

558
00:31:49,895 --> 00:31:52,855
Speaker 5: Now I think you've covered everything, and it really would

559
00:31:52,895 --> 00:31:55,375
Speaker 5: be that you would get like a certificate of use

560
00:31:55,615 --> 00:31:57,495
Speaker 5: and that that's kind of like a made up thing

561
00:31:57,575 --> 00:32:01,135
Speaker 5: in my mind, but it's a document from them to say, hey,

562
00:32:01,655 --> 00:32:05,295
Speaker 5: we have installed this in accordance with the manufacturer's guidelines

563
00:32:06,615 --> 00:32:10,015
Speaker 5: and we believe that it's safe for use because that's

564
00:32:10,175 --> 00:32:12,735
Speaker 5: ultimately what we're all most concerned about.

565
00:32:13,575 --> 00:32:15,695
Speaker 13: Well, one thing that did occur to me that they

566
00:32:15,855 --> 00:32:21,335
Speaker 13: sometimes we hear of firms getting subcontractors in now and

567
00:32:22,375 --> 00:32:28,455
Speaker 13: you just hope that they're all well school and the

568
00:32:28,615 --> 00:32:29,615
Speaker 13: job that they're doing.

569
00:32:30,455 --> 00:32:33,295
Speaker 5: And that's actually a really good question to ask then,

570
00:32:33,295 --> 00:32:36,335
Speaker 5: because I know some firms will often you know, they're

571
00:32:36,415 --> 00:32:39,935
Speaker 5: just supplying the product and they'll get local installers and

572
00:32:40,135 --> 00:32:42,495
Speaker 5: some of those might be more than competent, but in

573
00:32:42,615 --> 00:32:45,055
Speaker 5: some cases sometimes there can be a bit of a

574
00:32:45,095 --> 00:32:48,935
Speaker 5: communication breakdown. So that would be a really good question

575
00:32:49,175 --> 00:32:52,535
Speaker 5: to you as a company. Provide your own installers, and

576
00:32:52,655 --> 00:32:55,135
Speaker 5: I would probably feel more confident about a company that

577
00:32:55,255 --> 00:32:57,735
Speaker 5: had their own in house team doing the work.

578
00:32:58,135 --> 00:33:01,375
Speaker 13: Oh think. And then just one other question. I'm also

579
00:33:01,455 --> 00:33:04,215
Speaker 13: having to have a little bit of electrical work done YEP,

580
00:33:06,055 --> 00:33:10,095
Speaker 13: to provide the power for the stair lift. Yes, And

581
00:33:10,375 --> 00:33:14,775
Speaker 13: I've also had a quote there from an electrician YEP,

582
00:33:15,895 --> 00:33:19,735
Speaker 13: who it all looks very good. Are there any questions

583
00:33:19,775 --> 00:33:22,095
Speaker 13: that I should ask him again?

584
00:33:22,215 --> 00:33:25,375
Speaker 5: What will happen there is if it's a registered electrician,

585
00:33:26,095 --> 00:33:29,095
Speaker 5: like a fully registered electrician who's coming to do the work,

586
00:33:29,135 --> 00:33:31,575
Speaker 5: and that would be the preference would be that they

587
00:33:31,655 --> 00:33:34,335
Speaker 5: will issue you with a certificate of completion, right, so

588
00:33:34,415 --> 00:33:37,495
Speaker 5: a COOC at the end of the job, which essentially

589
00:33:37,615 --> 00:33:41,935
Speaker 5: gives you their details, their electrical registration number, and a

590
00:33:41,975 --> 00:33:44,775
Speaker 5: written assurance that the work has done in accordance with

591
00:33:44,855 --> 00:33:47,535
Speaker 5: the electrical standards. So I think that's really good as well.

592
00:33:47,615 --> 00:33:50,935
Speaker 5: So a registered electrician will always, at the completion of

593
00:33:50,975 --> 00:33:52,255
Speaker 5: a job give you a COC.

594
00:33:53,455 --> 00:33:56,135
Speaker 13: Well, that sounds good. There are just some questions I

595
00:33:56,335 --> 00:33:56,895
Speaker 13: need to ask.

596
00:33:57,615 --> 00:33:59,895
Speaker 5: I think you've done very good due diligence.

597
00:34:01,055 --> 00:34:03,535
Speaker 13: Well, I've done my vest all right.

598
00:34:03,535 --> 00:34:05,455
Speaker 5: I hope it all goes well. Thanks Joan, Thank you

599
00:34:06,375 --> 00:34:08,295
Speaker 5: by one of then take care boy Bay, thank you

600
00:34:08,415 --> 00:34:12,615
Speaker 5: God blessed to Actually I was talking with an electrician

601
00:34:12,655 --> 00:34:16,255
Speaker 5: about that this week, talking about well to be fair,

602
00:34:16,295 --> 00:34:19,495
Speaker 5: we were actually talking about dodgy electricians. There was a

603
00:34:19,655 --> 00:34:24,055
Speaker 5: great article on the news talks he'd b website last

604
00:34:24,135 --> 00:34:28,175
Speaker 5: week might have been, which summarized a series of findings

605
00:34:28,255 --> 00:34:32,095
Speaker 5: from the Electrical Workers Registration Board, their disciplinary board, where

606
00:34:32,575 --> 00:34:35,855
Speaker 5: they had gone out and investigated work electrical work that

607
00:34:36,015 --> 00:34:40,055
Speaker 5: had been done by people who turned out not to

608
00:34:40,335 --> 00:34:43,295
Speaker 5: be licensed to do that work, and in some cases

609
00:34:43,375 --> 00:34:45,935
Speaker 5: had then gone on to do work which could have

610
00:34:46,015 --> 00:34:51,015
Speaker 5: been life threatening, i e. Leaving wires exposed, live wires

611
00:34:51,175 --> 00:34:57,415
Speaker 5: exposed during renovations and alterations, or people installing electrical fittings

612
00:34:57,495 --> 00:35:00,135
Speaker 5: that was outside of the scope of their license. So

613
00:35:00,215 --> 00:35:03,015
Speaker 5: there is a thing gonna be really careful with this.

614
00:35:03,175 --> 00:35:07,215
Speaker 5: There is a thing called a limited electrical license which

615
00:35:07,375 --> 00:35:12,015
Speaker 5: allows people who have proved competency to do certain types

616
00:35:12,055 --> 00:35:17,095
Speaker 5: of electrical work because it's part of their might be

617
00:35:17,175 --> 00:35:20,735
Speaker 5: part of their job. So, for example, I had radiators

618
00:35:20,935 --> 00:35:25,215
Speaker 5: installed many many years ago at the house. The guy

619
00:35:25,255 --> 00:35:29,695
Speaker 5: who did the work needed to add a PowerPoint for

620
00:35:30,335 --> 00:35:32,415
Speaker 5: the califont on the outside of the building to be

621
00:35:32,735 --> 00:35:37,775
Speaker 5: plugged into. Now he had a limited license which allowed

622
00:35:37,855 --> 00:35:41,735
Speaker 5: him to add the PowerPoint without necessarily having to get

623
00:35:41,815 --> 00:35:44,255
Speaker 5: an electrician to come and do the work. I presume

624
00:35:44,335 --> 00:35:47,655
Speaker 5: that that's still the case, but typically all electrical work

625
00:35:47,695 --> 00:35:51,615
Speaker 5: should be done by registered electricians. Obviously, but it was

626
00:35:51,655 --> 00:35:55,935
Speaker 5: an interesting article on the ZB website about the investigations

627
00:35:56,015 --> 00:35:59,575
Speaker 5: done by the Electrical Workers Registration Board of people who

628
00:35:59,615 --> 00:36:04,415
Speaker 5: had done dodgy and in some cases life threatening work.

629
00:36:04,695 --> 00:36:07,255
Speaker 5: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

630
00:36:09,015 --> 00:36:11,655
Speaker 5: my feeling is that the next question is going to

631
00:36:11,735 --> 00:36:14,895
Speaker 5: take too long to answer, and we've got we're kind

632
00:36:14,895 --> 00:36:16,975
Speaker 5: of on standby. Now, let's have a crack at it.

633
00:36:17,015 --> 00:36:19,855
Speaker 5: We'll see how we go. Yvonne, Yvonne, if I have

634
00:36:19,975 --> 00:36:24,135
Speaker 5: to dash to the Olympics, pardon the pun, I'll just

635
00:36:24,175 --> 00:36:26,415
Speaker 5: pop you back on hold. So, Yvonne, tell me.

636
00:36:26,455 --> 00:36:26,975
Speaker 9: What you're up to.

637
00:36:28,215 --> 00:36:32,735
Speaker 11: I have got a two Babila yep, and I am

638
00:36:32,895 --> 00:36:40,255
Speaker 11: thinking of adding a conservatory to it. It will be

639
00:36:40,375 --> 00:36:43,335
Speaker 11: visible from the road and it will be visible, you know,

640
00:36:43,735 --> 00:36:46,975
Speaker 11: it's got an amazing view. So I don't want it

641
00:36:47,175 --> 00:36:52,575
Speaker 11: to look like a nineteen eighty seventies whatever tacked on

642
00:36:52,895 --> 00:36:57,455
Speaker 11: aluminium conservatory. I want it to look like a mini.

643
00:36:59,055 --> 00:37:00,535
Speaker 5: Bay yep, yep.

644
00:37:01,335 --> 00:37:08,375
Speaker 11: Right, So we'll have a gable roof, and I'm thinking

645
00:37:08,695 --> 00:37:12,215
Speaker 11: it needs to be wood and glass rather than aluminium.

646
00:37:12,335 --> 00:37:14,215
Speaker 12: Yep right.

647
00:37:14,655 --> 00:37:19,055
Speaker 11: Where can I go to find some design ideas? It's

648
00:37:19,095 --> 00:37:22,055
Speaker 11: going to it'll be three by three, it's going to

649
00:37:22,095 --> 00:37:26,695
Speaker 11: be done to a budget, so I can't afford to

650
00:37:27,215 --> 00:37:32,575
Speaker 11: involve an architect that google conservatories. All I find is

651
00:37:33,375 --> 00:37:37,535
Speaker 11: modernly looking glass and aluminium. How can I go to

652
00:37:37,615 --> 00:37:38,775
Speaker 11: get some design ideas?

653
00:37:39,655 --> 00:37:41,935
Speaker 5: I guess if we're in the UK, you know, I

654
00:37:42,095 --> 00:37:44,975
Speaker 5: know that there is this kind of a whole industry

655
00:37:45,175 --> 00:37:51,375
Speaker 5: around these very kind of cute sort of faux Tudor

656
00:37:52,575 --> 00:37:56,575
Speaker 5: or colonial conservatories that are added on to buildings there.

657
00:37:56,655 --> 00:37:59,735
Speaker 5: But that's I think there might be one or two

658
00:37:59,775 --> 00:38:02,295
Speaker 5: companies in New Zealand whose name elludes me right now,

659
00:38:03,015 --> 00:38:05,655
Speaker 5: who might be involved in that, But I think generally

660
00:38:05,895 --> 00:38:08,415
Speaker 5: it's not something that we do a lot of here,

661
00:38:09,895 --> 00:38:13,415
Speaker 5: so you might struggle to find look for inspiration, have

662
00:38:13,455 --> 00:38:15,615
Speaker 5: a look at some of the English websites, and then

663
00:38:15,655 --> 00:38:17,575
Speaker 5: it's just going to be a case of continuing to

664
00:38:17,735 --> 00:38:21,095
Speaker 5: scroll through a little bit of concern that I might

665
00:38:21,175 --> 00:38:23,895
Speaker 5: have is that, because it won't be an off the

666
00:38:24,015 --> 00:38:27,855
Speaker 5: shelf item, I think you're probably going to end up

667
00:38:27,935 --> 00:38:32,535
Speaker 5: having to get a building consent and getting something drawn

668
00:38:32,735 --> 00:38:36,655
Speaker 5: up and made. I can envisage exactly what it is

669
00:38:36,735 --> 00:38:39,135
Speaker 5: that you want to achieve. I could imagine building it

670
00:38:39,255 --> 00:38:50,335
Speaker 5: to be fair and you know, oh, look, I'd love

671
00:38:50,415 --> 00:38:52,495
Speaker 5: to go on a road trip. Look, keep going on

672
00:38:52,615 --> 00:38:54,695
Speaker 5: the Google search and that sort of thing. But I

673
00:38:54,815 --> 00:38:57,415
Speaker 5: do wonder whether the scope of what you're proposing to

674
00:38:57,535 --> 00:39:01,255
Speaker 5: do might in fact push it towards needing a building

675
00:39:01,375 --> 00:39:04,535
Speaker 5: consent for it. In some cases purgl is and that

676
00:39:04,615 --> 00:39:07,135
Speaker 5: sort of thing that's part of the Schedule one extensions.

677
00:39:08,015 --> 00:39:11,655
Speaker 5: But I think realistically in this instance here, I think

678
00:39:11,695 --> 00:39:13,935
Speaker 5: we're probably talking about something that may well need a

679
00:39:14,135 --> 00:39:18,815
Speaker 5: building consent. Great text message about roof ventilation, So I'll

680
00:39:18,855 --> 00:39:21,775
Speaker 5: come to that, but right now it is time for

681
00:39:21,895 --> 00:39:22,175
Speaker 5: us to go.

682
00:39:22,615 --> 00:39:25,975
Speaker 4: Now call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talks.

683
00:39:26,175 --> 00:39:29,295
Speaker 5: Be your news talks, it'd be it is eleven minutes

684
00:39:29,375 --> 00:39:32,775
Speaker 5: after seven. Will carry on with the resident builder on Sunday.

685
00:39:32,895 --> 00:39:35,415
Speaker 5: You're with me Pete wolf Camp this morning. If you've

686
00:39:35,455 --> 00:39:37,855
Speaker 5: got a question of a building nature, Oh, eight hundred

687
00:39:37,975 --> 00:39:42,255
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty is the number to call now. A

688
00:39:42,375 --> 00:39:45,775
Speaker 5: quick couple of texts that came in just with regard

689
00:39:45,815 --> 00:39:50,815
Speaker 5: to roof ventilation and regulation. Also in the last hour

690
00:39:50,975 --> 00:39:54,175
Speaker 5: we were talking with Joan about having a steer lift involved,

691
00:39:54,335 --> 00:39:57,695
Speaker 5: and obviously that's going to involve some electrical work as well.

692
00:39:58,135 --> 00:40:00,895
Speaker 5: So I mentioned the whole thing around some contractors having

693
00:40:01,335 --> 00:40:04,215
Speaker 5: effectively a limited electrical license to be able to do

694
00:40:04,895 --> 00:40:09,015
Speaker 5: obviously limited amount of work, often related to maybe adding

695
00:40:09,095 --> 00:40:13,735
Speaker 5: an additional PowerPoint for services, or for example, someone who

696
00:40:13,815 --> 00:40:16,775
Speaker 5: might come and install a ventilation system in your house

697
00:40:16,855 --> 00:40:19,295
Speaker 5: where they might need to add a PowerPoint into the

698
00:40:19,375 --> 00:40:23,375
Speaker 5: ceiling to plug the fan into. For example, that type

699
00:40:23,415 --> 00:40:26,215
Speaker 5: of work can be done by someone who has a

700
00:40:26,415 --> 00:40:30,135
Speaker 5: limited license to undertake electrical work, but they still must

701
00:40:30,215 --> 00:40:32,855
Speaker 5: have a license just limits the scope of what they

702
00:40:32,895 --> 00:40:34,975
Speaker 5: can do. And someone texture and hey, is there such

703
00:40:35,015 --> 00:40:37,255
Speaker 5: a thing as a limited plumbing license. I've had a

704
00:40:37,335 --> 00:40:40,215
Speaker 5: quick look. It would seem that yes, there is a

705
00:40:40,575 --> 00:40:44,255
Speaker 5: limited plumbing license, but it's typically issued to those people

706
00:40:44,695 --> 00:40:48,895
Speaker 5: who are apprentices. So if you've started working for a

707
00:40:49,135 --> 00:40:52,095
Speaker 5: plumbing firm as an apprentice and you want to be

708
00:40:52,175 --> 00:40:54,255
Speaker 5: able to do work, which if I was an employer,

709
00:40:54,295 --> 00:40:56,135
Speaker 5: that's what I'd want them to be doing, but you're

710
00:40:56,135 --> 00:40:59,135
Speaker 5: not fully qualified, you'll get a limited license there, but

711
00:40:59,295 --> 00:41:02,375
Speaker 5: it is because you are undergoing training. So to the

712
00:41:02,455 --> 00:41:05,415
Speaker 5: best of what I can find a few minutes, there

713
00:41:05,495 --> 00:41:09,655
Speaker 5: is no limited plumbers license that might extend to someone

714
00:41:09,695 --> 00:41:12,095
Speaker 5: who isn't working or in training as a plumber.

715
00:41:12,135 --> 00:41:12,575
Speaker 12: So there you go.

716
00:41:12,695 --> 00:41:15,175
Speaker 5: That's the info on that. One oh eight hundred eighty

717
00:41:15,295 --> 00:41:17,215
Speaker 5: ten eighty is the number to call if you've got

718
00:41:17,255 --> 00:41:19,335
Speaker 5: a question of a building nature. The lines are open

719
00:41:19,615 --> 00:41:22,055
Speaker 5: and we can rip into a bunch of your calls.

720
00:41:22,215 --> 00:41:24,775
Speaker 5: After eight o'clock this morning, we'll actually be talking a

721
00:41:24,775 --> 00:41:28,215
Speaker 5: little bit of tiling. So Amanda from tile Space is

722
00:41:28,255 --> 00:41:31,055
Speaker 5: going to join us just for a brief chat around

723
00:41:31,495 --> 00:41:34,095
Speaker 5: tile selection. It's I think it's one of those things

724
00:41:34,135 --> 00:41:35,735
Speaker 5: you go into a tile shop and I've done it

725
00:41:35,855 --> 00:41:38,775
Speaker 5: on a number of occasions with different projects we've been doing,

726
00:41:38,855 --> 00:41:41,215
Speaker 5: and it can be a little bit overwhelming in terms

727
00:41:41,255 --> 00:41:43,535
Speaker 5: of you walk in and then suddenly there might be

728
00:41:43,655 --> 00:41:46,735
Speaker 5: five hundred tiles to choose from. So some basic tips

729
00:41:46,775 --> 00:41:51,015
Speaker 5: and tracks on tile selection. What's out there guidance around

730
00:41:51,055 --> 00:41:53,055
Speaker 5: selecting the right tile. We'll have a chat with Amanda

731
00:41:53,135 --> 00:41:57,095
Speaker 5: after after eight o'clock this morning, but right now eight

732
00:41:57,215 --> 00:42:00,535
Speaker 5: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. This

733
00:42:00,775 --> 00:42:03,655
Speaker 5: text came through from Adrian a moment ago too. Is

734
00:42:03,775 --> 00:42:08,375
Speaker 5: there regulation or standards around roof ventilation. We're building a

735
00:42:08,455 --> 00:42:11,495
Speaker 5: new house. The builders have insulated the ceiling, and I

736
00:42:11,655 --> 00:42:15,135
Speaker 5: noticed that there was condensation on the roof building paper.

737
00:42:15,615 --> 00:42:19,735
Speaker 5: The house has a low mono pitched roof. Chairs from Adria,

738
00:42:20,215 --> 00:42:22,055
Speaker 5: So I'm just trying to think about the situation here

739
00:42:22,135 --> 00:42:26,495
Speaker 5: that you've got it's a minopitch roof, so let's assume

740
00:42:26,575 --> 00:42:30,295
Speaker 5: that it's rafters. If it's a low pitch, it's like

741
00:42:30,455 --> 00:42:34,335
Speaker 5: seven or eight degrees, maybe you'll have the rafters, you'll

742
00:42:34,415 --> 00:42:38,375
Speaker 5: have perlins, you'll have building paper or roofing paper, and

743
00:42:38,455 --> 00:42:43,055
Speaker 5: then you'll have the Let's assume that it's iron installed

744
00:42:43,095 --> 00:42:45,255
Speaker 5: over the top of that. Then in the space in

745
00:42:45,335 --> 00:42:49,175
Speaker 5: between the rafters there will be insulation there. So if

746
00:42:49,215 --> 00:42:51,575
Speaker 5: that and then there'll be battens and then eventually there'll

747
00:42:51,615 --> 00:42:59,455
Speaker 5: be plasterboard ceiling. Let's say, so I'm curious as to

748
00:42:59,535 --> 00:43:03,495
Speaker 5: how you saw the condensation, like did you take the

749
00:43:03,615 --> 00:43:08,095
Speaker 5: insulation out in order to see the condensation? And was

750
00:43:08,135 --> 00:43:12,375
Speaker 5: the condensation on the underside of the roofing underlay, which

751
00:43:12,375 --> 00:43:13,935
Speaker 5: would be a bit of a concern because the whole

752
00:43:13,935 --> 00:43:16,335
Speaker 5: point of putting a roofing underlay is that it catches

753
00:43:16,415 --> 00:43:19,695
Speaker 5: the condensation that's on the underside of the metal, and

754
00:43:19,855 --> 00:43:22,615
Speaker 5: then when that drips off, it will drip onto the

755
00:43:22,815 --> 00:43:26,095
Speaker 5: roofing underlay and be directed out of the building. And

756
00:43:26,295 --> 00:43:31,415
Speaker 5: ideally that roofing underlay should extend over the facierboard and

757
00:43:31,695 --> 00:43:35,375
Speaker 5: drop into the spouting. That's how it should lock. So

758
00:43:35,415 --> 00:43:38,095
Speaker 5: when you look at new roofing, you should see the

759
00:43:38,695 --> 00:43:43,775
Speaker 5: roofing underlay extend out and then extend far enough out

760
00:43:43,815 --> 00:43:45,895
Speaker 5: that it actually drops into the spouting. That's in a

761
00:43:45,935 --> 00:43:48,815
Speaker 5: perfect world. So I'm a bit curious as to where

762
00:43:48,855 --> 00:43:51,655
Speaker 5: you're seeing the condensation. You're saying it's on the underside

763
00:43:51,655 --> 00:43:55,375
Speaker 5: of the roof building paper, but with the insulation in there,

764
00:43:56,015 --> 00:43:59,135
Speaker 5: maybe that won't be present. However, your big question is

765
00:43:59,295 --> 00:44:02,775
Speaker 5: is there a standard for roof ventilation. Increasingly we're seeing

766
00:44:02,935 --> 00:44:07,615
Speaker 5: people adding ventilation strips to the underside of the ridge

767
00:44:07,655 --> 00:44:11,535
Speaker 5: flashing so conventional roof to pitches rising to a ridge

768
00:44:12,215 --> 00:44:15,455
Speaker 5: at that point there there's like a ventilated strip that

769
00:44:15,575 --> 00:44:18,775
Speaker 5: will allow hot air that builds up underneath the roofing

770
00:44:18,815 --> 00:44:22,375
Speaker 5: iron to be able to vent out of these ventilated

771
00:44:22,495 --> 00:44:24,615
Speaker 5: ridge caps. I actually think it's a really good idea.

772
00:44:25,695 --> 00:44:28,335
Speaker 5: I did a little mono pitch roof packed full of

773
00:44:28,375 --> 00:44:31,695
Speaker 5: insulation and built it in such a way that I

774
00:44:31,815 --> 00:44:34,495
Speaker 5: had airflow that would allow air to draw in from

775
00:44:34,575 --> 00:44:37,975
Speaker 5: the underside so down by the spouting, and then because

776
00:44:38,015 --> 00:44:41,015
Speaker 5: it was a mono pitch, it had effectively just a

777
00:44:41,215 --> 00:44:46,255
Speaker 5: barge flashing at one end, and that would prevent air

778
00:44:46,335 --> 00:44:49,335
Speaker 5: from circulating out. So we added a vent there to

779
00:44:49,695 --> 00:44:52,375
Speaker 5: vent out that it was going to be a dark

780
00:44:52,455 --> 00:44:55,855
Speaker 5: colored roof. It was going to overheat in summer. It's

781
00:44:55,895 --> 00:44:58,055
Speaker 5: going to collect all that hot air trapped in that

782
00:44:58,215 --> 00:45:00,495
Speaker 5: space between the underside of the roofing and the top

783
00:45:00,535 --> 00:45:03,095
Speaker 5: of the insulation. Means that the insulation's got to do

784
00:45:03,215 --> 00:45:07,095
Speaker 5: more work in summertime. So venting that hot air was

785
00:45:07,215 --> 00:45:09,255
Speaker 5: a sensible solution. So that's what we've done in that

786
00:45:09,375 --> 00:45:11,895
Speaker 5: instance there. So look, even if it's not part of

787
00:45:12,055 --> 00:45:14,975
Speaker 5: the standards, it would be something that I would suggest

788
00:45:15,575 --> 00:45:18,055
Speaker 5: is a really really good idea if it's designed well

789
00:45:18,415 --> 00:45:20,575
Speaker 5: to do. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

790
00:45:20,655 --> 00:45:24,975
Speaker 5: the number to call right, I mentioned too, I was

791
00:45:25,095 --> 00:45:28,055
Speaker 5: gonna we could still do that. Let's do a completely

792
00:45:28,135 --> 00:45:30,535
Speaker 5: unscientific poll for the next forty five minutes of the show.

793
00:45:31,175 --> 00:45:34,175
Speaker 5: In your opinion, should we go back on the H

794
00:45:34,255 --> 00:45:38,055
Speaker 5: one regulation. So new H one regulations came in on

795
00:45:38,295 --> 00:45:42,535
Speaker 5: the first of November twenty twenty three. The industry had

796
00:45:42,575 --> 00:45:46,255
Speaker 5: been gearing up for it for quite some time and

797
00:45:46,375 --> 00:45:48,775
Speaker 5: there now so if you get a building consent post

798
00:45:49,095 --> 00:45:51,295
Speaker 5: first of November, you will need to comply with the

799
00:45:51,335 --> 00:45:55,415
Speaker 5: new regulations of H one, which are increasing levels of insulation,

800
00:45:55,575 --> 00:45:58,815
Speaker 5: different types of thermal performance around your joinery, all of

801
00:45:58,855 --> 00:46:02,615
Speaker 5: it adding up to hopefully a more thermally effective building,

802
00:46:03,295 --> 00:46:07,935
Speaker 5: including slab insalation, whole bunch of things. So the question

803
00:46:08,175 --> 00:46:12,215
Speaker 5: is should we roll back those regulations or should we

804
00:46:12,295 --> 00:46:14,895
Speaker 5: stick to where we've got to go forward.

805
00:46:14,815 --> 00:46:15,335
Speaker 4: Or go back?

806
00:46:15,455 --> 00:46:18,655
Speaker 5: Roll them back yay or nay? Text us now nine

807
00:46:18,735 --> 00:46:21,895
Speaker 5: two ninety two. Hey pete, no, going backwards is crazy.

808
00:46:22,015 --> 00:46:24,775
Speaker 5: We paid for the installation. Installation to our standard New

809
00:46:24,855 --> 00:46:27,055
Speaker 5: Zealand home didn't cost thirty to forty grand, so I've

810
00:46:27,055 --> 00:46:30,015
Speaker 5: failed to see how it will save that amount. And again,

811
00:46:30,095 --> 00:46:32,455
Speaker 5: these sorts of numbers that are that are out there

812
00:46:32,575 --> 00:46:36,655
Speaker 5: are it'd be really interesting to know whether they're based

813
00:46:37,015 --> 00:46:39,215
Speaker 5: with a grace of respect based on fact or whether

814
00:46:39,255 --> 00:46:41,255
Speaker 5: they're a little bit of conjecture. Hey, look it's cost

815
00:46:41,295 --> 00:46:42,895
Speaker 5: me more to build this house. Therefore I'm going to

816
00:46:42,935 --> 00:46:46,855
Speaker 5: brain H one or actually I've done the numbers, I've

817
00:46:47,015 --> 00:46:49,895
Speaker 5: done a quantity surveying, I've done a takeoff. I know

818
00:46:50,215 --> 00:46:52,575
Speaker 5: that complying with H one has added this cost. Now

819
00:46:52,815 --> 00:46:55,615
Speaker 5: undoubtedly it's going to add cost. The argument is is

820
00:46:55,735 --> 00:47:00,175
Speaker 5: that adding of cost actually a benefit to everyone going forward.

821
00:47:00,935 --> 00:47:02,375
Speaker 5: So how do you see it? Oh eight one hundred

822
00:47:02,415 --> 00:47:04,375
Speaker 5: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call if

823
00:47:04,375 --> 00:47:06,375
Speaker 5: you've got a question. The lines are open up. Oh

824
00:47:06,415 --> 00:47:10,055
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number whether.

825
00:47:09,855 --> 00:47:12,735
Speaker 1: You're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence, or wondering how

826
00:47:12,775 --> 00:47:13,975
Speaker 1: to fix that hole in the wall.

827
00:47:14,295 --> 00:47:16,895
Speaker 4: Give Peter wolf Cabin call on Oh eight hundred eighty

828
00:47:17,015 --> 00:47:17,615
Speaker 4: ten eighty.

829
00:47:17,815 --> 00:47:20,975
Speaker 1: The resident builder with light four solar flick the switch

830
00:47:21,055 --> 00:47:23,095
Speaker 1: to solar today, newstalks B.

831
00:47:24,895 --> 00:47:27,695
Speaker 5: Your newstalks at B, and we're taking your calls. Oh

832
00:47:27,735 --> 00:47:31,775
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We're also running this completely unscientific,

833
00:47:31,975 --> 00:47:36,055
Speaker 5: un prepared No, no, no, I've thought about it. That's

834
00:47:36,095 --> 00:47:40,255
Speaker 5: preparation enough. The simple moot is the government is at

835
00:47:40,295 --> 00:47:43,375
Speaker 5: the moment talking about rolling back some of the increases

836
00:47:43,695 --> 00:47:48,135
Speaker 5: in standards and performance required to comply with H one

837
00:47:48,215 --> 00:47:50,815
Speaker 5: of the Building Code. Some of those things will be

838
00:47:50,855 --> 00:47:53,695
Speaker 5: about insulation someone, it will be about slab insulation. Some

839
00:47:53,855 --> 00:47:56,495
Speaker 5: of it will be about the thermal performance of the

840
00:47:56,775 --> 00:47:59,655
Speaker 5: joinery suite, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It all

841
00:47:59,695 --> 00:48:01,655
Speaker 5: gets wrapped up into H one of the code, and

842
00:48:01,895 --> 00:48:04,335
Speaker 5: there's lots of talk at the moment about it adding

843
00:48:04,455 --> 00:48:07,655
Speaker 5: cost to buildings. In some cases, people are speculating saying

844
00:48:07,695 --> 00:48:10,055
Speaker 5: it's thirty forty thousand dollars more to build a building

845
00:48:10,135 --> 00:48:12,535
Speaker 5: to H one to the current standard. So there is

846
00:48:12,815 --> 00:48:15,615
Speaker 5: a temptation to go, let's roll that back, that'll save

847
00:48:15,695 --> 00:48:19,335
Speaker 5: us money. So the question is yes or no, should

848
00:48:19,735 --> 00:48:24,495
Speaker 5: the government consider rolling back H one in the hope

849
00:48:24,535 --> 00:48:27,135
Speaker 5: that it will make housing more affordable if that is

850
00:48:27,215 --> 00:48:30,495
Speaker 5: their intention or was part of H one. Let's not

851
00:48:30,535 --> 00:48:32,615
Speaker 5: get into the wys and werefoce. It's just a quick

852
00:48:32,815 --> 00:48:39,575
Speaker 5: yay or nay. So thus far I'm just taking them out.

853
00:48:39,575 --> 00:48:46,855
Speaker 5: I'm doing the questions right now, more people saying no, Hi,

854
00:48:47,095 --> 00:48:49,575
Speaker 5: this is an interesting one, Hi, roll it back. I'm

855
00:48:49,615 --> 00:48:54,295
Speaker 5: a building inspector. No, New Zealand requirements are already far

856
00:48:54,375 --> 00:48:55,895
Speaker 5: behind the rest of the world. A small and increase

857
00:48:55,935 --> 00:48:59,135
Speaker 5: in the initial cost is worth the performance benefit for

858
00:48:59,135 --> 00:49:02,295
Speaker 5: the next hundred years. True, if our buildings lasted one

859
00:49:02,335 --> 00:49:05,015
Speaker 5: hundred years, maybe that's what we should start to aim for. Oh,

860
00:49:05,055 --> 00:49:07,175
Speaker 5: eight hundred eight ten eight is the number to call now.

861
00:49:07,295 --> 00:49:09,735
Speaker 5: Just before the news we talked briefly with Yvonne. Hey,

862
00:49:10,335 --> 00:49:10,855
Speaker 5: welcome back.

863
00:49:12,175 --> 00:49:14,495
Speaker 11: I had to put my phone on charge.

864
00:49:14,575 --> 00:49:14,895
Speaker 9: Sorry.

865
00:49:17,295 --> 00:49:22,335
Speaker 11: I went on my laptop and I googled clear pimonial

866
00:49:22,855 --> 00:49:28,495
Speaker 11: conservatories and I found tangled Wood, which is absolutely amazing website.

867
00:49:28,575 --> 00:49:33,695
Speaker 11: But my question is a relation to the current regulations,

868
00:49:34,735 --> 00:49:38,535
Speaker 11: would be best to just have it glass and would

869
00:49:39,895 --> 00:49:45,535
Speaker 11: including the roof, or would be better to put insulation

870
00:49:46,175 --> 00:49:47,095
Speaker 11: and jib the ceiling.

871
00:49:48,575 --> 00:49:48,775
Speaker 6: See.

872
00:49:48,855 --> 00:49:52,415
Speaker 5: I like along with all of this discussion around H

873
00:49:52,495 --> 00:49:55,295
Speaker 5: one standards and that there's lots of talk about overheating

874
00:49:55,495 --> 00:49:59,695
Speaker 5: in our houses as well. Right now, it's quite clear

875
00:49:59,815 --> 00:50:03,935
Speaker 5: insulation does not cause overheating, right poor design and lack

876
00:50:03,975 --> 00:50:08,575
Speaker 5: of ventilation causes overheating in our So people are mixing

877
00:50:08,655 --> 00:50:11,655
Speaker 5: up two things that shouldn't go together. But in your

878
00:50:11,735 --> 00:50:14,415
Speaker 5: instance here, I actually think if we look at how

879
00:50:15,495 --> 00:50:19,535
Speaker 5: our environments changed, how strong the sun feels these days,

880
00:50:20,455 --> 00:50:22,535
Speaker 5: I don't know that I would do a conservatory that

881
00:50:22,655 --> 00:50:25,935
Speaker 5: had a clear roof where I couldn't control the amount

882
00:50:26,015 --> 00:50:29,695
Speaker 5: of sunlight and the UV through there. So I'd be

883
00:50:29,815 --> 00:50:32,895
Speaker 5: tempted to make it a solid roof, possibly with the

884
00:50:32,975 --> 00:50:35,215
Speaker 5: skylight if you wanted to and then do all of

885
00:50:35,295 --> 00:50:37,775
Speaker 5: your glazing. But again, we see if this building is

886
00:50:37,855 --> 00:50:43,135
Speaker 5: going to be added on to your existing house. I

887
00:50:43,255 --> 00:50:44,855
Speaker 5: was again, I was reading about this during the week.

888
00:50:46,855 --> 00:50:48,735
Speaker 5: While you may need to comply with the code in

889
00:50:48,855 --> 00:50:52,055
Speaker 5: terms of the joinery that you're adding into your new build,

890
00:50:52,455 --> 00:50:56,655
Speaker 5: it doesn't necessarily trigger the requirement to upgrade the rest

891
00:50:56,735 --> 00:51:02,415
Speaker 5: of the building in most instances. So I'm sorry there's

892
00:51:02,455 --> 00:51:08,055
Speaker 5: lots of weasel words in there, but yeah, I mean,

893
00:51:08,335 --> 00:51:10,215
Speaker 5: but again, certainly, if you're looking at it being a

894
00:51:10,295 --> 00:51:14,295
Speaker 5: solid roof timber construction joinery, that's definitely going to.

895
00:51:14,335 --> 00:51:18,375
Speaker 11: Require a building solid solid roof. Would you put it

896
00:51:18,655 --> 00:51:23,855
Speaker 11: as glass or poly cap or do you put it

897
00:51:23,935 --> 00:51:24,935
Speaker 11: as corrugated iron?

898
00:51:25,775 --> 00:51:25,895
Speaker 7: Oh?

899
00:51:25,975 --> 00:51:27,335
Speaker 5: I think if it was going to be a solid roof,

900
00:51:27,335 --> 00:51:29,815
Speaker 5: I'd go iron, and then possibly with a couple of

901
00:51:29,895 --> 00:51:32,175
Speaker 5: roof lights in it where you could control the amount

902
00:51:32,215 --> 00:51:36,695
Speaker 5: of sunlight coming in. But you know, I think if

903
00:51:36,735 --> 00:51:39,615
Speaker 5: you were to do a large glass roof with no

904
00:51:39,935 --> 00:51:44,775
Speaker 5: shading whatsoever and all glass and it's north facing, I

905
00:51:44,895 --> 00:51:48,255
Speaker 5: think you know you you're inviting overheating by that design.

906
00:51:49,735 --> 00:51:53,495
Speaker 9: It's east facing, Okay, so morning.

907
00:51:53,335 --> 00:51:54,815
Speaker 8: Sun it's looking out to see.

908
00:51:55,655 --> 00:52:01,095
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, look, it's going to come down to design and.

909
00:52:02,175 --> 00:52:04,775
Speaker 11: Fairly low down on the south is yeah.

910
00:52:04,615 --> 00:52:08,135
Speaker 5: Okay, So overheating, well you see. Then again, if it's

911
00:52:08,695 --> 00:52:10,455
Speaker 5: you know, you you're in a period, you're in a

912
00:52:10,535 --> 00:52:12,735
Speaker 5: climatic zone where it's actually going to be cold for

913
00:52:12,815 --> 00:52:15,255
Speaker 5: a decent part of the year. So in that sense,

914
00:52:15,615 --> 00:52:19,095
Speaker 5: it's much easier to make a warmer building by having

915
00:52:19,135 --> 00:52:21,855
Speaker 5: a roof that you can insulate well than trying to

916
00:52:21,935 --> 00:52:25,095
Speaker 5: get that insulation performance out of the glass where you

917
00:52:25,175 --> 00:52:28,135
Speaker 5: will struggle to get the numbers up. So in that sense,

918
00:52:28,535 --> 00:52:31,455
Speaker 5: it's if it's about the view and you want to

919
00:52:31,495 --> 00:52:34,095
Speaker 5: be able to sit there comfortably in winter, then I'd

920
00:52:34,135 --> 00:52:36,935
Speaker 5: go for a well insulated roof and a beautiful view.

921
00:52:38,495 --> 00:52:40,895
Speaker 11: And would you have it or would it have to

922
00:52:40,975 --> 00:52:43,815
Speaker 11: be double glazed or triple glazed or I would.

923
00:52:43,655 --> 00:52:45,535
Speaker 5: Say that you would probably end up with double glazing

924
00:52:45,575 --> 00:52:49,175
Speaker 5: without a doubt. High performance double glazing should be all

925
00:52:49,255 --> 00:52:49,855
Speaker 5: that's required.

926
00:52:50,935 --> 00:52:52,935
Speaker 11: And what's that that's about broken.

927
00:52:52,695 --> 00:53:00,495
Speaker 5: And thermly broken aluminium jeweery, So typically you have that's

928
00:53:00,615 --> 00:53:04,775
Speaker 5: only an aluminium jewery. So timber joinery has always been

929
00:53:04,895 --> 00:53:08,895
Speaker 5: known to be one of the most thermally effective types

930
00:53:08,895 --> 00:53:11,215
Speaker 5: of material that we can use for joinery. Right, So

931
00:53:11,855 --> 00:53:16,495
Speaker 5: timber is effectively a poor conductor of heat, whereas aluminium

932
00:53:16,815 --> 00:53:20,695
Speaker 5: is a very very very good conductor of heat. So

933
00:53:20,895 --> 00:53:24,095
Speaker 5: by making all of our window joinery out of aluminium,

934
00:53:24,255 --> 00:53:26,935
Speaker 5: we've allowed all of that heat loss around the perimeter.

935
00:53:27,095 --> 00:53:30,375
Speaker 5: So one way of preventing that is to introduce a

936
00:53:30,455 --> 00:53:33,255
Speaker 5: break between the inside and the outside face of the aluminium,

937
00:53:33,295 --> 00:53:38,775
Speaker 5: which is pretty much what thermally broken aluminium joinery is

938
00:53:38,815 --> 00:53:40,695
Speaker 5: all about. But if you're going to do it in timber,

939
00:53:40,935 --> 00:53:44,415
Speaker 5: you're you've already got your performance built into the just

940
00:53:44,615 --> 00:53:45,295
Speaker 5: into the timber.

941
00:53:45,495 --> 00:53:50,895
Speaker 11: Basically, what would trigger a building consent or not trigger in.

942
00:53:51,815 --> 00:53:54,815
Speaker 5: I think that by the scope of what you're describing now,

943
00:53:54,935 --> 00:53:56,775
Speaker 5: I think it's going to trigger the requirement for a

944
00:53:56,815 --> 00:53:59,855
Speaker 5: building consent. But again, you know, even if you don't

945
00:53:59,895 --> 00:54:01,935
Speaker 5: need a consent, you're still going to need someone who's

946
00:54:01,975 --> 00:54:04,335
Speaker 5: going to design it, right because you've you've got span

947
00:54:04,535 --> 00:54:07,095
Speaker 5: and roof, pitch and junction detas, tails and so on.

948
00:54:07,615 --> 00:54:10,775
Speaker 11: So even it's only three meters three meters.

949
00:54:10,735 --> 00:54:12,935
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know, unless you see this is this

950
00:54:13,135 --> 00:54:16,415
Speaker 5: is where like we can take your example and extend

951
00:54:16,455 --> 00:54:19,535
Speaker 5: it to other builds. Right, So let's say we can

952
00:54:19,615 --> 00:54:22,855
Speaker 5: do more work that doesn't necessarily require a building consent.

953
00:54:23,895 --> 00:54:26,935
Speaker 5: But even work today that can be done without a

954
00:54:26,975 --> 00:54:29,975
Speaker 5: building consent still needs to be done to the building code.

955
00:54:30,815 --> 00:54:35,455
Speaker 5: And the assumption then is that any builder that turns

956
00:54:35,535 --> 00:54:38,535
Speaker 5: up to build it knows the building code to such

957
00:54:38,615 --> 00:54:42,495
Speaker 5: a specific level of detail that they can without having

958
00:54:42,535 --> 00:54:44,575
Speaker 5: a set of plans, build to the building code.

959
00:54:45,015 --> 00:54:45,175
Speaker 7: Now.

960
00:54:45,375 --> 00:54:49,455
Speaker 5: I know some builders who are that competent, but to

961
00:54:49,535 --> 00:54:53,575
Speaker 5: be fair, I've met plenty of others who aren't. So

962
00:54:54,295 --> 00:54:58,015
Speaker 5: that the problem with removing the requirement for a building

963
00:54:58,055 --> 00:55:01,775
Speaker 5: consent is that you know, potentially you're you're going to

964
00:55:01,855 --> 00:55:04,935
Speaker 5: invite someone to come and build something for you that

965
00:55:05,135 --> 00:55:07,535
Speaker 5: needs to comply with the code, but their level of

966
00:55:07,655 --> 00:55:11,135
Speaker 5: knowledge or experience is going to be insufficient and they

967
00:55:11,215 --> 00:55:15,095
Speaker 5: are potentially, either willingly or unwittingly going to build something

968
00:55:15,175 --> 00:55:17,535
Speaker 5: that is not going to comply with the building Code.

969
00:55:18,015 --> 00:55:21,495
Speaker 5: So somewhere on light yep, even.

970
00:55:21,375 --> 00:55:25,215
Speaker 11: If I've got an LBP to do it, which is what.

971
00:55:25,255 --> 00:55:29,935
Speaker 5: I intend to do, I would love to say to you,

972
00:55:30,255 --> 00:55:35,055
Speaker 5: hand on heart that every single LBP knows the building

973
00:55:35,135 --> 00:55:38,575
Speaker 5: Code to such a sufficient detail that they could build

974
00:55:38,695 --> 00:55:42,055
Speaker 5: something to the code without having a set of plans

975
00:55:42,135 --> 00:55:45,415
Speaker 5: to tell them how to build to the code. Yes,

976
00:55:47,135 --> 00:55:50,135
Speaker 5: I'd be naive and saying to you that every single

977
00:55:50,295 --> 00:55:54,015
Speaker 5: LBP out there could build a modest structure to the

978
00:55:54,135 --> 00:55:58,495
Speaker 5: code without having a set of plans. I would challenge

979
00:55:58,495 --> 00:56:01,135
Speaker 5: anyone to tell me that I'm wrong in saying that

980
00:56:01,255 --> 00:56:04,615
Speaker 5: I don't think that the level of competency for all

981
00:56:04,735 --> 00:56:07,575
Speaker 5: of the lbps is such that people could do that.

982
00:56:10,015 --> 00:56:11,935
Speaker 11: Okay, thank you very much.

983
00:56:11,975 --> 00:56:14,375
Speaker 5: Lovely to talk to you all the very best. Okay,

984
00:56:14,815 --> 00:56:16,855
Speaker 5: take care then, right, I need to take a break

985
00:56:16,895 --> 00:56:18,775
Speaker 5: and I can catch up with the accounting because the

986
00:56:19,135 --> 00:56:22,695
Speaker 5: texts are coming in fast and furious, which is awesome. Yes,

987
00:56:22,775 --> 00:56:26,535
Speaker 5: we'll no answer, and I know it's way more complicated

988
00:56:26,575 --> 00:56:28,695
Speaker 5: than that. I know there's so many more variables, but

989
00:56:28,735 --> 00:56:32,575
Speaker 5: I'm interested in today. It's just simple stuff. Should the

990
00:56:32,655 --> 00:56:35,175
Speaker 5: government The government has floated the idea of rolling back

991
00:56:35,375 --> 00:56:37,255
Speaker 5: H one requirements. Should they do that?

992
00:56:37,415 --> 00:56:41,895
Speaker 4: Yes or no? Squeaky door or squeaky floor.

993
00:56:42,415 --> 00:56:45,855
Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcab the resident builder

994
00:56:46,055 --> 00:56:49,575
Speaker 1: with light four solar, save on solar and earn airpoints

995
00:56:49,615 --> 00:56:50,895
Speaker 1: dollars used talks.

996
00:56:50,655 --> 00:56:54,535
Speaker 5: That'd be right, he oh, text messages coming and I

997
00:56:54,735 --> 00:56:57,615
Speaker 5: take you text questions as well. A couple of interesting

998
00:56:57,695 --> 00:57:00,415
Speaker 5: points that have come in on this survey. So essentially

999
00:57:00,495 --> 00:57:04,815
Speaker 5: the survey is that I'm interested in getting your opinion

1000
00:57:04,935 --> 00:57:09,335
Speaker 5: on is government have at the moment, along with the

1001
00:57:09,375 --> 00:57:12,415
Speaker 5: whole raft of changes that they seem to be introducing, said, look,

1002
00:57:12,455 --> 00:57:17,735
Speaker 5: should we roll back H one requirements because plenty of

1003
00:57:17,855 --> 00:57:20,535
Speaker 5: talk at the moment that it has added significant cost

1004
00:57:20,855 --> 00:57:25,935
Speaker 5: to buildings at a time where it's already expensive to

1005
00:57:25,975 --> 00:57:30,415
Speaker 5: build and we've got housing in affordability as an issue.

1006
00:57:31,455 --> 00:57:34,695
Speaker 5: Is this it might be nice to have, but is

1007
00:57:34,775 --> 00:57:38,975
Speaker 5: it something that is practical right now? So they're looking

1008
00:57:39,015 --> 00:57:41,015
Speaker 5: at rolling it back. So a couple of people have

1009
00:57:41,095 --> 00:57:44,015
Speaker 5: texted either yes or no. Actually, to be fair, it's

1010
00:57:44,095 --> 00:57:47,975
Speaker 5: pretty even right now. And a couple of people have

1011
00:57:48,055 --> 00:57:52,175
Speaker 5: added comments things like no to changing the insallation standard. Yes,

1012
00:57:52,295 --> 00:57:55,255
Speaker 5: dependent on the area so in Chicago to the far North. Yes,

1013
00:57:55,375 --> 00:57:59,975
Speaker 5: definitely roll back the changes. No, we should improve interior

1014
00:58:00,015 --> 00:58:02,575
Speaker 5: wall insallation. Well that's not even in the building code

1015
00:58:03,535 --> 00:58:07,695
Speaker 5: right So right now there is no requirement to insulate

1016
00:58:07,815 --> 00:58:11,735
Speaker 5: any internal petitions at all. I think it's a great

1017
00:58:11,775 --> 00:58:14,135
Speaker 5: idea if you do do it. Certainly the houses that

1018
00:58:14,215 --> 00:58:16,295
Speaker 5: I've worked on where we have done it, it has

1019
00:58:16,535 --> 00:58:21,255
Speaker 5: changed the warmth certainly, but also the acoustic performance and

1020
00:58:21,375 --> 00:58:25,335
Speaker 5: also the just the general feeling of solidness about them.

1021
00:58:25,415 --> 00:58:28,135
Speaker 5: If you insulate all of the internal petitions, I think

1022
00:58:29,695 --> 00:58:32,255
Speaker 5: in my mind it's a no brainer. It would be

1023
00:58:32,335 --> 00:58:35,175
Speaker 5: one of those things that if you're tossing up where

1024
00:58:35,215 --> 00:58:38,615
Speaker 5: do I spend my money? I would go, yeah, Actually,

1025
00:58:38,855 --> 00:58:41,495
Speaker 5: if you can, you know, maybe cut your cloth and

1026
00:58:42,335 --> 00:58:46,055
Speaker 5: spend the money on putting internal insulation between internal petitions.

1027
00:58:46,735 --> 00:58:51,375
Speaker 5: You won't regret it. Ever, It'd be my opinion. The

1028
00:58:51,455 --> 00:58:53,135
Speaker 5: problem with the additional cost of the building is this,

1029
00:58:53,335 --> 00:58:55,055
Speaker 5: why build a house that costs more than it's worth

1030
00:58:55,175 --> 00:58:57,375
Speaker 5: to sell when it's finished. It would be the death

1031
00:58:57,415 --> 00:59:00,975
Speaker 5: of developments. And that's probably where most of the loud

1032
00:59:01,055 --> 00:59:04,215
Speaker 5: voices are coming from, bill from developers who are already

1033
00:59:04,215 --> 00:59:08,575
Speaker 5: struggling to present to market at the current building costs

1034
00:59:09,015 --> 00:59:12,255
Speaker 5: houses that they can get their money back on. And

1035
00:59:12,335 --> 00:59:14,815
Speaker 5: a couple of other comments have come in about gouging

1036
00:59:14,935 --> 00:59:17,415
Speaker 5: and da da da da da. I don't even think

1037
00:59:17,735 --> 00:59:21,095
Speaker 5: put that aside and just go actually, right now, I

1038
00:59:21,175 --> 00:59:23,135
Speaker 5: know plenty of developers that have done the numbers and

1039
00:59:23,255 --> 00:59:25,255
Speaker 5: have gone, Actually, you know what, right now, it's going

1040
00:59:25,295 --> 00:59:25,695
Speaker 5: to cost me.

1041
00:59:26,095 --> 00:59:26,415
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1042
00:59:26,655 --> 00:59:29,175
Speaker 5: You know, seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars to build.

1043
00:59:29,215 --> 00:59:31,535
Speaker 5: I've already put four hundred thousand dollars into the land.

1044
00:59:31,615 --> 00:59:34,015
Speaker 5: I can sell it for a million. Well why would

1045
00:59:34,055 --> 00:59:36,255
Speaker 5: I do that? Well, you won't. And that's why there's

1046
00:59:36,255 --> 00:59:38,855
Speaker 5: a lot of building sites sitting empty right now. Oh,

1047
00:59:38,975 --> 00:59:41,575
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number cut call.

1048
00:59:41,695 --> 00:59:46,095
Speaker 5: And I made a comment about lvps and qualifications and competency,

1049
00:59:46,335 --> 00:59:52,415
Speaker 5: I guess in a nutshell. And so the assumption being

1050
00:59:52,495 --> 00:59:54,375
Speaker 5: that if an LBP comes to do the work, they

1051
00:59:54,415 --> 00:59:57,495
Speaker 5: will be fully conversant with all of the items within

1052
00:59:57,575 --> 01:00:00,495
Speaker 5: the building Code and be able to build without a

1053
01:00:00,535 --> 01:00:04,615
Speaker 5: set of plans to the building Code. And I think

1054
01:00:04,655 --> 01:00:11,095
Speaker 5: that that might be true for a few Unfortunately, Look,

1055
01:00:11,135 --> 01:00:13,335
Speaker 5: if I had to build without a set of plans,

1056
01:00:13,375 --> 01:00:15,935
Speaker 5: could I do it absolutely spot on to all of

1057
01:00:16,015 --> 01:00:19,335
Speaker 5: the requirements with the building code without having a set

1058
01:00:19,375 --> 01:00:21,775
Speaker 5: of plans to refer to? To be fair, I think

1059
01:00:21,815 --> 01:00:24,815
Speaker 5: I'd struggle. I'd have to spend a lot of time

1060
01:00:24,895 --> 01:00:28,135
Speaker 5: doing my own research. That's why we have plans Pete.

1061
01:00:28,175 --> 01:00:30,455
Speaker 5: Regarding the LVPS, I'm shocked at the amount of times

1062
01:00:30,495 --> 01:00:33,055
Speaker 5: I have to point out simple building code standards and

1063
01:00:33,135 --> 01:00:36,135
Speaker 5: manufacture aspects to builders when I'm on site. I'd have

1064
01:00:36,215 --> 01:00:39,095
Speaker 5: to say it's over fifty percent don't know or are

1065
01:00:39,175 --> 01:00:42,055
Speaker 5: not sure. Now, this is Craig who's a regular correspondent,

1066
01:00:42,735 --> 01:00:44,735
Speaker 5: and I value his opinion because he works as a

1067
01:00:44,775 --> 01:00:49,655
Speaker 5: building inspector, so he's seeing it on the shop floor.

1068
01:00:49,735 --> 01:00:52,895
Speaker 5: Let's say on a daily basis. Right time for your calls,

1069
01:00:52,935 --> 01:00:55,255
Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1070
01:00:55,295 --> 01:00:58,695
Speaker 5: to call, and inviting your texts as well. With regard

1071
01:00:58,815 --> 01:01:01,695
Speaker 5: to all of this talk. Now, the other thing is

1072
01:01:01,815 --> 01:01:04,375
Speaker 5: I have actually put in a request to have the

1073
01:01:04,455 --> 01:01:07,175
Speaker 5: Minister Chris Penk join us on the show, which I'm

1074
01:01:07,215 --> 01:01:09,655
Speaker 5: sure will happen sometime in the next couple of weeks

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Speaker 5: or months. So I'm looking forward to that as well,

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Speaker 5: and we can ask him directly what's behind this thinking. Oh,

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Speaker 5: in fact, we might even have a decision by then.

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Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 5: to call. Take a short break back in the mote,

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Speaker 5: your news talk zb coming up seven forty two and

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Speaker 5: a half. Here in news Talks, b Red Climb pass

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Speaker 5: Remember in the garden with us at eight thirty and

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Speaker 5: Amanda from Tile Space with us after eight o'clock, just

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Speaker 5: talking a quick a couple of tips and tricks around

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Speaker 5: tiles selection after eight o'clock as well. Kathy, a very

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Speaker 5: good morning, good morning. Hey there you doing.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, what a tenant be expected to stay in a

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Speaker 14: place while the house was border to standards like say,

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Speaker 14: for instance, the whole kitchen, the line, the bathroom, the

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Speaker 14: second bedroom, in the lounge underneath the house where it's rotten,

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Speaker 14: would they be expected would that be healthy?

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Speaker 5: Interestingly enough, when you're because the producers put in a

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Speaker 5: quick text for me around so that it was do

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Speaker 5: you live in the house when you're renovating if you're

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Speaker 5: doing it full time? So what I wasn't aware of

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Speaker 5: is that you're a tenant. So in this instance here,

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Speaker 5: I suppose there's two different approaches. One is most tenants

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Speaker 5: struggle to get their landlords to do any work on

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Speaker 5: the property at all, in which case one response might be,

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Speaker 5: isn't it fabulous that my landlord is upgrading the property

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Speaker 5: that's going to be awesome, right, and hopefully you get

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Speaker 5: the benefit of that. So that's one way of looking

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Speaker 5: at it. The other is, I'm a little surprised that

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Speaker 5: a landlord would undertake those sorts of extensive renovations with

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Speaker 5: a sitting tenant. Typically, if you're a landlord, you'd wait

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Speaker 5: until the end of the tenancy and then while it's vacant,

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Speaker 5: you'd get in there and do all of that work.

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Speaker 5: Because it is quite disruptive. So has the landlord talked

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Speaker 5: to you at all about maybe reducing the rent or

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Speaker 5: suspending the rent while the work is underway. I mean,

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Speaker 5: for example, if you don't have access to a kitchen

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Speaker 5: for a period of time because it's being replaced. While

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Speaker 5: you get the benefit of the new kitchen, you also

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01:03:27,215 --> 01:03:31,855
Speaker 5: have the detriment of not being able to cook for

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Speaker 5: a period of time. And you pay the rent you

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Speaker 5: would expect to be able to cook, right, Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 14: I did ask that because the place I live and

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Speaker 14: has been substandard for a long time.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 14: But there's a couple of people that were involved. One

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Speaker 14: wanted to shift me to another property. Another one who

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Speaker 14: was throwing in said that I could stay here while

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Speaker 14: the work was being done, and I found that quite

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Speaker 14: disruptors because there's so much work that needs to be done.

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Speaker 14: So yeah, I thought it would be quite unhealthy.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, Kathy. I mean, like, in this instance here, how

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Speaker 5: would you feel about moving to another property and then

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Speaker 5: moving back into this one when it's done.

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Speaker 14: I wasn't given that option, right.

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Speaker 5: Okay, has there been any I don't think it's unreasonable

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Speaker 5: to offer some compensation for the disruption, and I know

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Speaker 5: that you will get the benefit of it in the

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Speaker 5: long term. But I guess there's also nothing to stop

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Speaker 5: you moving out afterwards, or for the tendency agreement not

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Speaker 5: to be renewed or something like that, because remember, one

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Speaker 5: of the proposals at the moment is also that no

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Speaker 5: fault tenancy terminations will be reintroduced.

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Speaker 14: Okay, how your show is really good, but I learned

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Speaker 14: so much. Thank you.

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Speaker 5: No trouble at all. I think it's for you. It's

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Speaker 5: probably just a discussion, you know, with your landlord to go, hey,

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Speaker 5: look what's you know, what's involved here? And I guess

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Speaker 5: you know, if, for example, if I was in your

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Speaker 5: shoes and I was getting a new kitchen and maybe

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Speaker 5: freshening up of other spaces then I would also want

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Speaker 5: and you were going to put up with the disruption,

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Speaker 5: you'd also want to say, look, can we agree to

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Speaker 5: a two year tendancy, for example, so I get the

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Speaker 5: benefit of it after that. That would be part of

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Speaker 5: my thinking around it as well. All right, lovely to

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Speaker 5: chat with you all the very best, take care. A

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Speaker 5: couple more texts on that. Will the landlord do a

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Speaker 5: huge rent increase after the work has done? Well, that's possible,

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Speaker 5: isn't it, Pete, In your opinion, is the cost of

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Speaker 5: new insulation forty five thousand dollars or more? As the

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Speaker 5: minister says, that's from Lorraine. Look, I think that well,

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Speaker 5: I think it's not a simple answer, and in fact,

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Speaker 5: I've heard myself say this. It's complicated, it's complex, it's

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Speaker 5: not simple, and I'm kind of going, well, just saying

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Speaker 5: that doesn't give people any answer. So let me think

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Speaker 5: on this for just a moment and give you a

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Speaker 5: more considered response than an off the cuff one around

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Speaker 5: the forty five thousand dollars and how we might have

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Speaker 5: got there. Let's do that. In the meantime, it's a

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Speaker 5: great opportunity to catch up with Mike.

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Speaker 12: There's plenty happening at the moment.

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Speaker 7: Pete.

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Speaker 12: Thanks, and today I just want to touch based on

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Speaker 12: some of the features and benefits of the plastic clouding

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Speaker 12: systems we have available in the market now. There's a

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Speaker 12: variety of solutions available from our lightweight concrete system which

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Speaker 12: is one of the most popular in the market due

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Speaker 12: to its durability, strength and acoustic properties. But there's also

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Speaker 12: our insult of the SAD systems Masonry Randows systems. If

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Speaker 12: you have an existing brickhouse and you looking do some

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Speaker 12: renovation work because our full masonry Randow systems. One of

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Speaker 12: the key things with the plastic planning systems is their

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Speaker 12: flat surface, so they're very low maintenance in terms of

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Speaker 12: that easy to clean, and they're easy to repaint when

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Speaker 12: you need and you can also easily change the color

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Speaker 12: going forward if view if the property sells to new

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Speaker 12: owners and they don't like the color that you had

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Speaker 12: on the house, so you can easily change and update

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Speaker 12: those things. Part of being a Rasine construction business or

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Speaker 12: Razine Group business is that we're genuine razine colored plaster

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Speaker 12: finishes as well. We also include a fifteen year performance

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Speaker 12: guarantee with all our systems for external plaster clannings. They've

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Speaker 12: been brands tested and really important is the LBP or

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Speaker 12: Licensed Building practitioner installed, so that you have the quality

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Speaker 12: and the professionalism of contractors that know their trade and

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Speaker 12: they do it very very well.

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Speaker 5: There's some real certainty in that and I think to

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Speaker 5: find out more check it out online. It is Razine

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Speaker 5: Construction dot co dot N and said Mike, good to talk.

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Speaker 4: To you, thanks Tate News Talk, said me extra, so

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Speaker 4: I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 15: The question has been asked where the key we rail

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Speaker 15: should continue running the fairies, but if not them, who

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Speaker 15: and how we're going to deal with the replacement of

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Speaker 15: the fairies and the land side infrastructure. A big picture

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Speaker 15: plan needs to be in place before we start making

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Speaker 15: other changes like creating a new entity to run the fairies.

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Speaker 15: It is clearly a complex business with specific challenges and

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Speaker 15: maybe those who know it best should hold the reins

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Speaker 15: for a little longer until we know where the business

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Speaker 15: is heading. The government received a report from the Independent

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Speaker 15: Ferry Advisory Group a few weeks ago. Decisions are yet

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Speaker 15: to be made about the recommendations it contains. Once that's done,

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Speaker 15: it will have to go to Cabinet, so it may

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Speaker 15: take some time, but the government scrapped the previous plans,

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Speaker 15: so the onus is on them to get moving. In

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Speaker 15: the meantime though, I suggest into Irelander just step up,

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Speaker 15: own up, do themselves a favor from the grounding.

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Speaker 4: That was a Newstalk ZB extra.

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Speaker 5: You are new s Talk ZB and we're talking all

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Speaker 5: things well, we're talking all things building construction. That was

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Speaker 5: my colds from Razine Construction System talking about exterior cladding

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Speaker 5: as well. Again, check out the website razineconstruction dot co

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Speaker 5: dot in z. There's some awesome well there's both inspiration

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Speaker 5: and information on the sites. If you're interested in exterior clouding,

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Speaker 5: check out some of those options as well. I'm going

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Speaker 5: to be talking a little bit of tiling after the

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Speaker 5: news at eight o'clock. We're into the garden with red

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Speaker 5: climb passed from eight point thirty and during the break,

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Speaker 5: actually I did a tellia and right now on our

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Speaker 5: text responses as fast as I can add them up,

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Speaker 5: it's dead heat. Twenty one people have voted no, twenty

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Speaker 5: one people have voted yes to my moot, which was

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Speaker 5: should the government Well, the government is considering rolling back

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Speaker 5: H one requirements to let's say twenty twenty two standards

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Speaker 5: rather than twenty twenty three standards. Is that a good idea?

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Speaker 7: Yes or no?

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Speaker 5: And we've had a bunch of texts which has been awesome.

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Speaker 5: So it's interesting to see that it's not a clear

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Speaker 5: cut Yeah, this is excessive, let's roll it back. But

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Speaker 5: it's very very even. So I'm trying to as best

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Speaker 5: I can summarize some of the debate around the H

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Speaker 5: one standards. I think the problem and this becomes an

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Speaker 5: opinion right on my part. So when it was introduced,

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Speaker 5: one of the there's three parts to a pathway to compliance, right,

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Speaker 5: So H one sets out the standards, and then there

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Speaker 5: are three ways to achieve compliance in terms of how

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Speaker 5: you do the calculations. The most straightforward way is called

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Speaker 5: the schedule method, which I would call, respectfully the tick

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01:10:59,495 --> 01:11:01,775
Speaker 5: box method. You go to the building code, you go

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Speaker 5: to three six O four, and you scroll down the

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01:11:04,655 --> 01:11:08,615
Speaker 5: insulation requirements and in there what you'll find is that

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Speaker 5: the R value for all ceiling insulation has gone across

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Speaker 5: the country to R six point six. That's in the

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01:11:21,335 --> 01:11:25,295
Speaker 5: schedule method right now. Now our six point six insulation

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01:11:25,575 --> 01:11:29,615
Speaker 5: is about three hundred milimeters of insulation. There is an

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01:11:29,655 --> 01:11:32,375
Speaker 5: obvious problem that if you're building a roof that's got

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01:11:32,615 --> 01:11:35,935
Speaker 5: one fifty by fifty rafters, you don't have the space

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Speaker 5: to put three hundred milimeters of insulation into a one

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Speaker 5: hundred and fifty one one hundred and forty milimeter gap.

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Speaker 5: So then you go, well, if I stick to the

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Speaker 5: schedule method, I'm going to have to use three hundred

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01:11:50,015 --> 01:11:54,135
Speaker 5: by fifty rafters. Now they are obviously twice as expensive

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Speaker 5: as a one to fifty one, and my roof is

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Speaker 5: going to be taller, all my building's going to be lower,

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01:12:00,135 --> 01:12:02,015
Speaker 5: and all of these sorts of things. So there is

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Speaker 5: a knock on effect to using the schedule method for

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01:12:06,935 --> 01:12:12,575
Speaker 5: calculating your heat loss calculation. Then there is the calculation

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Speaker 5: method which is more nuanced. So you go, okay, well,

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Speaker 5: I'm actually going I'm going to pitch with one fifty

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Speaker 5: rafters so I can get maybe R three point six

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Speaker 5: in there. So in terms of my total heat loss,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to have to look at increasing insolation in

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Speaker 5: my walls, or making my windows more effective, or doing

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Speaker 5: some better stuff with underfloor installation, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: To get a better number all round because I'm calculating it.

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Speaker 5: And then the next step is you can do proper

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Speaker 5: thermal modeling where you send out your design specific to

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Speaker 5: an engineer who specifically calculates the thermal performance of the building,

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Speaker 5: and then they will give you a series of recommendations

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Speaker 5: as to how you would achieve compliance. I think the

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Speaker 5: problem and the reason that there is so much pushback

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01:12:59,815 --> 01:13:03,015
Speaker 5: to the changes of H one is because the government

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01:13:03,215 --> 01:13:06,735
Speaker 5: or the government bodies in their wisdom, pushed out schedule

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Speaker 5: method and said R six point six is the minimum

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Speaker 5: standard for sealing insulation across the country. Madness, like utter

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Speaker 5: utter madness to have done that. I think they should

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Speaker 5: have been honest and just said we're not going to

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Speaker 5: have a schedule method anymore. All buildings need to be

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Speaker 5: modeled or calculated. It's not that hard to do, and

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Speaker 5: that would rather than this kind of literally sledge hammer

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Speaker 5: to crack a nut type approach by going we're going

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Speaker 5: to make it R six point six. Even years ago,

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Speaker 5: I was in discussions with people about adding more insulation

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Speaker 5: to roof spaces and the opinion was once you got

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Speaker 5: certainly in anywhere from Taupo North, for example, once you

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Speaker 5: got above R five. The benefit to adding more insulation

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Speaker 5: is negligible and in fact, it might cause a couple

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Speaker 5: of other issues. So you know, then putting this blanket

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01:14:03,775 --> 01:14:07,215
Speaker 5: requirement of R six point six across all of the country,

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Speaker 5: regardless of your climatic zone, is just clumsy, and I

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Speaker 5: think it's that that's got people's backs up. Yeah, doing

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01:14:16,175 --> 01:14:19,495
Speaker 5: aluminum joinery thermally broken because you want lots and lots

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Speaker 5: of window space, that is more expensive than non thermally

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Speaker 5: broken aluminium. The joinery manufacturers have all tooled up to

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Speaker 5: provide this new fabrication method, and they're not I would

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Speaker 5: imagine they're not going to be too happy at the

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01:14:33,735 --> 01:14:35,975
Speaker 5: idea that suddenly all of that extra work that we've done,

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01:14:35,975 --> 01:14:38,975
Speaker 5: all that investment, we didn't need to do it. Well,

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01:14:39,015 --> 01:14:44,015
Speaker 5: thanks very much government for that. So in my mind,

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Speaker 5: I think they were clumsy and introducing the schedule method

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Speaker 5: with such heavy requirements. And then I think too, builders, developers,

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01:14:53,175 --> 01:14:55,375
Speaker 5: designers and that have been a little bit clumsy in

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01:14:55,415 --> 01:14:57,295
Speaker 5: their approach by going, well, I'm going to have to

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01:14:57,335 --> 01:15:00,015
Speaker 5: stick to the schedule method, whereas if you go for calculation,

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01:15:00,735 --> 01:15:04,215
Speaker 5: you can actually make quite significant gains to the overall

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Speaker 5: thermal performance of the building without spending forty five thousand

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01:15:08,135 --> 01:15:11,815
Speaker 5: dollars would be my response. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 5: Will continue talking all things building, construction and regulations. I've

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01:15:16,535 --> 01:15:18,935
Speaker 5: made the comment the other day I've never known a time,

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Speaker 5: and I've done the show for ten years now. We're

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01:15:21,175 --> 01:15:25,175
Speaker 5: building has had so much sort of political coverage as

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01:15:25,215 --> 01:15:27,975
Speaker 5: it does right now. I think the debate is fantastic.

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Speaker 12: Bring it on.

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Speaker 5: The more discussion the better. Right, We'll be back straight

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Speaker 5: after new Sport and weather call us now, Oh, eight

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Speaker 5: hundred eighty ten eighty. Your news talk said, oh, now, also,

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01:15:38,295 --> 01:15:40,575
Speaker 5: we're going to do tiles and we've got rid climb

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01:15:40,575 --> 01:15:42,255
Speaker 5: pass coming in at eight thirty.

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Speaker 1: Measure twice, got once but maybe Collpete first, Peter wolf Camp,

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Speaker 1: the resident builder with light four solar flick the switch

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Speaker 1: to solar today newstalksb.

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Speaker 5: Your news talks, Hebpete wolf Camp with you. We're talking

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01:15:56,855 --> 01:16:02,215
Speaker 5: all things building, construction, renovations, alterations, regulations, insulation. We've had

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01:16:02,255 --> 01:16:05,295
Speaker 5: a I'll tell you what right now, my my completely

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01:16:05,415 --> 01:16:11,175
Speaker 5: unscientific regulated random pole is neck and neck and the

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01:16:11,255 --> 01:16:13,015
Speaker 5: simple answer was should they roll back?

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Speaker 7: EH?

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Speaker 5: One or not. This is the proposal that's out there

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01:16:15,455 --> 01:16:17,335
Speaker 5: at the moment, and literally it is neck and neck,

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Speaker 5: twenty three votes either way at this point in time.

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Speaker 5: So we'll run that through late thirty. We are going

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01:16:23,775 --> 01:16:25,615
Speaker 5: to be talking. We've got a couple more calls lined up.

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01:16:25,695 --> 01:16:30,255
Speaker 5: But I was in like, I like to think that

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01:16:30,295 --> 01:16:33,055
Speaker 5: I'm reasonably familiar with tiles, And in fact, when I

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01:16:33,255 --> 01:16:37,815
Speaker 5: started building, one of my first jobs working with Tom

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01:16:37,975 --> 01:16:41,175
Speaker 5: was while we were building, we were also tiling, and

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01:16:41,335 --> 01:16:45,255
Speaker 5: so I tiled with Tom a whole bunch of bathrooms

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01:16:45,295 --> 01:16:48,255
Speaker 5: and that in a retirement village. We did thirty forty bathrooms.

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Speaker 5: So tiling's been kind of something that I've been involved

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01:16:50,695 --> 01:16:52,855
Speaker 5: with for quite a while, and I like to think

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01:16:52,895 --> 01:16:54,415
Speaker 5: that I'm reasonably familiar.

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Speaker 4: With it and so on.

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Speaker 5: But it is equally daunting. And I was in the

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Speaker 5: tile Space store the other day and I looked around

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01:17:00,215 --> 01:17:02,215
Speaker 5: and I thought, Wow, imagine if this is your first

1352
01:17:02,295 --> 01:17:05,695
Speaker 5: time looking at tiles or choosing tiles, how daunting would

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01:17:05,695 --> 01:17:08,495
Speaker 5: it be. Thought, let's get someone from tile Space to

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01:17:08,855 --> 01:17:11,015
Speaker 5: walk us through some of this. Hold our hands as

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01:17:11,055 --> 01:17:13,295
Speaker 5: we go through the store. Amanda, are very good morning

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Speaker 5: to you. How are you very very well. And like

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Speaker 5: I say, I know you've been involved with tiles for

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Speaker 5: quite some time. My own experience goes back. We're getting

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01:17:23,055 --> 01:17:25,535
Speaker 5: on forty years now, so it's it's it's kind of

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Speaker 5: all the same, but it's also changed a little bit

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Speaker 5: as well. So one of the things that I'm keen

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01:17:30,895 --> 01:17:33,375
Speaker 5: to have a chat with you about is person walks

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01:17:33,415 --> 01:17:36,775
Speaker 5: into the store, maybe it's their first renovation, but where

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01:17:36,855 --> 01:17:39,495
Speaker 5: do you start in terms of choosing tiles.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, that's a really great question. So obviously it can

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01:17:42,655 --> 01:17:45,335
Speaker 16: be really overwhelming to walk into a tile shaft and

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Speaker 16: sort of r I prevented to you. So I think

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Speaker 16: a good place to start is always from a functional perspective,

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01:17:52,535 --> 01:17:55,495
Speaker 16: choosing that the right finish for the right applications is

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Speaker 16: very important, and narrowing down a floor tile versus a

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Speaker 16: wall til again is another thing to consider. So obviously

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Speaker 16: for bathroots, which is a big one that people are

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01:18:07,455 --> 01:18:10,855
Speaker 16: looking at tiles for, you know, do you go an

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Speaker 16: anti slip or do you go in a polish And

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01:18:13,815 --> 01:18:18,535
Speaker 16: there's actually no internal regulations residentually, so again it's about

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01:18:18,575 --> 01:18:22,455
Speaker 16: having a bit of guidance there. So that finish would

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01:18:22,495 --> 01:18:26,095
Speaker 16: be the most popular way to go for a bathroom floor.

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01:18:26,655 --> 01:18:29,095
Speaker 16: But technology is evolving all the time, of course, so

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01:18:29,215 --> 01:18:32,135
Speaker 16: we now have echo tiles which have an out finish

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01:18:32,255 --> 01:18:35,055
Speaker 16: on the meaning that you can have that slip without

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01:18:35,175 --> 01:18:38,535
Speaker 16: the cleaning factor. So that would be a first place

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01:18:38,655 --> 01:18:43,135
Speaker 16: to start, is you know which finish for which application.

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Speaker 16: Especically wise, anything goes. So you know that opens up

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Speaker 16: a whole other side of things there, and that's where

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Speaker 16: our design space really rendering service.

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Speaker 5: Can really help, just on the non slip thing, just

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Speaker 5: because I know that in some cases some tiles are

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Speaker 5: suitable for both walls and floors, but in other cases

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01:19:07,215 --> 01:19:09,495
Speaker 5: it's very specific. That's a wall tile and this is

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01:19:09,535 --> 01:19:11,535
Speaker 5: a floor tile, and neverthe two shall meet or you

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01:19:11,535 --> 01:19:14,735
Speaker 5: shouldn't interchange them. But all of that guidance is available.

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Speaker 16: Ah, absolutely, so install all of our experts can help

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01:19:18,575 --> 01:19:20,855
Speaker 16: you with that. A good rule of thumb is that

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01:19:20,975 --> 01:19:22,935
Speaker 16: a floor tile will go anywhere you want to put it,

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Speaker 16: where the wall tile is only for the wall.

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Speaker 5: Okay, even I can remember that. That's awesome.

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Speaker 16: Well, that makes it easy.

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Speaker 5: Then the other thing I guess is, once we've got tiles,

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Speaker 5: you know we're a little bit down the path. What

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Speaker 5: about choosing things like grout and guidance around colors. How

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01:19:38,935 --> 01:19:40,135
Speaker 5: would you advise people there?

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01:19:40,975 --> 01:19:43,655
Speaker 16: So grout can make such a difference to the overall

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01:19:43,695 --> 01:19:46,735
Speaker 16: look and and also performance of tiles, so that's something

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01:19:46,775 --> 01:19:49,215
Speaker 16: to consider as well as the formulation of grout, so

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01:19:49,335 --> 01:19:52,855
Speaker 16: you have your cement based versus epoxy. We would always

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01:19:52,935 --> 01:19:56,375
Speaker 16: recommend an epoxy grout in wet areas anywhere you can

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01:19:56,415 --> 01:19:59,495
Speaker 16: put it, really we would be recommending it. But in

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Speaker 16: terms of colors, we can offer all of that advice

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01:20:02,535 --> 01:20:06,215
Speaker 16: for you in store. It's really important that your communicat

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01:20:06,655 --> 01:20:08,455
Speaker 16: this with your tiler as well, or else they can

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01:20:08,495 --> 01:20:10,295
Speaker 16: be quite prone to just putting in what they think

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01:20:10,495 --> 01:20:14,015
Speaker 16: is best. So okay, I know it's about having the

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01:20:14,295 --> 01:20:17,895
Speaker 16: open lines of communication there. But again, so it's sort

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Speaker 16: of cycling back to our three D design service. We

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01:20:21,055 --> 01:20:22,775
Speaker 16: can mock all of this up for you in the

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01:20:22,855 --> 01:20:24,695
Speaker 16: store so you can see it in real time, which

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01:20:24,815 --> 01:20:25,895
Speaker 16: is pretty cool now.

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01:20:25,775 --> 01:20:30,295
Speaker 5: That rolls off the tongue the design service. But I

1419
01:20:30,415 --> 01:20:32,815
Speaker 5: have to say, and I was in the store with

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01:20:32,935 --> 01:20:36,055
Speaker 5: a client not long ago, and so the client bought

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01:20:36,135 --> 01:20:39,295
Speaker 5: in essentially a floor plan, right, so it showed the

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01:20:39,375 --> 01:20:41,615
Speaker 5: size of the room, location of the window where the

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01:20:41,735 --> 01:20:44,095
Speaker 5: shower was going to be, et cetera, et cetera. And

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Speaker 5: you take that basic information, enter it into this design

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01:20:48,455 --> 01:20:52,175
Speaker 5: space software and then they'll go, actually, I really like

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01:20:52,295 --> 01:20:55,455
Speaker 5: that wide format three hundred by six hundred tile. Can

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Speaker 5: you show me what that looks like?

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Speaker 16: And then we can do that so you can see

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Speaker 16: it in real time. We can swap things out for you.

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Speaker 16: It's incredible. It's a game changer because then.

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Speaker 5: I was looking at it, and I was looking at

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01:21:08,055 --> 01:21:10,215
Speaker 5: it from a practical point of view, because I'm thinking, Okay,

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01:21:10,335 --> 01:21:13,215
Speaker 5: let's say that wall's two point three meters wide and

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Speaker 5: I go for a six hundred tile, then I'm going

1435
01:21:15,455 --> 01:21:18,175
Speaker 5: to have to have a cut. So do I start

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01:21:18,255 --> 01:21:21,135
Speaker 5: in the center with a line and workout do I

1437
01:21:21,255 --> 01:21:23,775
Speaker 5: take a full tile in the center and have a

1438
01:21:23,895 --> 01:21:28,055
Speaker 5: bigger off cut on either end. But all of those changes, actually.

1439
01:21:28,655 --> 01:21:31,615
Speaker 16: We can play around with your layout passions and then

1440
01:21:31,655 --> 01:21:33,215
Speaker 16: you go out with we can do all of that

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01:21:33,975 --> 01:21:36,575
Speaker 16: in front of you. It's pretty incredible.

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01:21:36,575 --> 01:21:38,735
Speaker 5: Because you know, again with the gross respect, one of

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01:21:38,775 --> 01:21:41,935
Speaker 5: the things I think that as a contractor, you know,

1444
01:21:42,255 --> 01:21:44,975
Speaker 5: if you're a first time renovator, it is daunting, right

1445
01:21:45,135 --> 01:21:48,375
Speaker 5: trying to understand what that tile's going to look like

1446
01:21:48,535 --> 01:21:51,135
Speaker 5: in the space. And I know, over the years I've

1447
01:21:51,255 --> 01:21:53,415
Speaker 5: been into the tile store and I've come away with

1448
01:21:53,855 --> 01:21:56,495
Speaker 5: boxes of samples and then I'm standing in the room

1449
01:21:56,895 --> 01:21:59,135
Speaker 5: holding them up trying to imagine what they look like.

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Speaker 16: It's so hard to visualize withn't it.

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01:22:02,535 --> 01:22:05,615
Speaker 5: It's a little bit it's a little bit daunting. So look,

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01:22:05,695 --> 01:22:09,655
Speaker 5: I I thought that it was a really really useful

1453
01:22:09,735 --> 01:22:13,415
Speaker 5: piece of kit. Yeah, I thought it was staggering. So

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01:22:13,495 --> 01:22:15,095
Speaker 5: it's a little bit of software that's.

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01:22:14,895 --> 01:22:16,975
Speaker 16: Available a total game changer.

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01:22:17,255 --> 01:22:21,695
Speaker 5: Yeah, I seriously, I thought it was really impressive in

1457
01:22:21,855 --> 01:22:26,055
Speaker 5: terms of like, if there's a requirement for slip resistance,

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01:22:26,335 --> 01:22:29,335
Speaker 5: is that immediately available in terms of the data sheet

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01:22:29,375 --> 01:22:31,415
Speaker 5: that comes with the tiles, because some people are really

1460
01:22:31,495 --> 01:22:34,095
Speaker 5: concerned about, you know, installing the wrong type of floor

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01:22:34,175 --> 01:22:35,055
Speaker 5: tile for example.

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Speaker 16: Of course, of course, so something to bear in mind

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01:22:38,095 --> 01:22:43,015
Speaker 16: is that there are no internal regulations residentially, so it

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01:22:43,255 --> 01:22:48,095
Speaker 16: would only apply to access ways externally, so that it

1465
01:22:48,175 --> 01:22:49,775
Speaker 16: gives you a little bit of peace of mind there.

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01:22:50,175 --> 01:22:53,615
Speaker 16: But any information technical specs that you need regarding our tiles,

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01:22:53,655 --> 01:22:55,575
Speaker 16: we are more than happy to provide that for you

1468
01:22:56,255 --> 01:22:58,175
Speaker 16: and sort of guides you through the process as well,

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01:22:58,255 --> 01:23:00,335
Speaker 16: so we can chat all about that and store.

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Speaker 5: Awesome and tile space there right throughout the country, ain't

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01:23:05,935 --> 01:23:06,655
Speaker 5: that's a lately.

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Speaker 16: So we have recently launched our two stores in Dneeda

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01:23:10,735 --> 01:23:12,815
Speaker 16: and christ Church, bringing us to the South Island, which

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01:23:12,895 --> 01:23:15,535
Speaker 16: is very exciting so nationwide.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely brilliant.

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01:23:16,535 --> 01:23:19,295
Speaker 5: Really appreciate your time and again if you're going to

1477
01:23:19,375 --> 01:23:22,175
Speaker 5: the store, seriously check out that design space. But kit

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01:23:22,335 --> 01:23:24,975
Speaker 5: it is. It is a fantastic piece of all right,

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01:23:25,135 --> 01:23:27,575
Speaker 5: lovely to talk to you, a MANA much appreciated you.

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01:23:27,655 --> 01:23:30,215
Speaker 5: Take care by then you and new stalks and seriously

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01:23:30,255 --> 01:23:33,775
Speaker 5: it was. It was because if you've if you're a

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01:23:33,815 --> 01:23:36,495
Speaker 5: bit like me, I can visualize most things off a

1483
01:23:36,575 --> 01:23:39,335
Speaker 5: set of plans, right, and I kind of know I'm

1484
01:23:39,495 --> 01:23:42,295
Speaker 5: staggered over the years, quite seriously, and I've been in

1485
01:23:42,375 --> 01:23:45,615
Speaker 5: the situation where we've built something and the owner comes

1486
01:23:45,655 --> 01:23:47,855
Speaker 5: in and goes, I didn't think it was going to

1487
01:23:47,935 --> 01:23:51,015
Speaker 5: look like that, and you go, but hang on, I've

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01:23:51,055 --> 01:23:56,415
Speaker 5: built it exactly as per the plan, right exactly, and

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01:23:56,495 --> 01:23:57,655
Speaker 5: they go, yeah, I didn't think it was going to

1490
01:23:57,695 --> 01:24:03,095
Speaker 5: look like that. Yeah, okay, So there is a challenge, seriously, around,

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01:24:04,695 --> 01:24:07,135
Speaker 5: you know, visualizing things to be able to see it

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01:24:07,775 --> 01:24:12,455
Speaker 5: in a software program that takes your space, creates a

1493
01:24:12,735 --> 01:24:14,775
Speaker 5: three D model of it and then puts the tiles

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01:24:14,815 --> 01:24:16,175
Speaker 5: on the wall and you can move them around. You

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Speaker 5: can change the coloring and change the grouting and change

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01:24:18,495 --> 01:24:21,335
Speaker 5: the color selection. It was an impressive piece of kit.

1497
01:24:21,455 --> 01:24:24,495
Speaker 5: Even I found it incredibly useful. Eight hundred and eighty

1498
01:24:24,535 --> 01:24:27,615
Speaker 5: ten eighty. We're talking all things building this morning, and Peter,

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01:24:27,695 --> 01:24:28,655
Speaker 5: thanks very much for waiting.

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Speaker 13: How are you.

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01:24:29,975 --> 01:24:31,415
Speaker 17: I'm doing great things yourself.

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01:24:31,575 --> 01:24:32,375
Speaker 5: You're not bad, thank you.

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01:24:33,495 --> 01:24:36,975
Speaker 17: So I have an issue with my basement and that wall.

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01:24:37,255 --> 01:24:40,895
Speaker 17: The water is coming through if the weather's coming from

1505
01:24:40,935 --> 01:24:45,055
Speaker 17: that direction when it rains, it's the delta out of

1506
01:24:45,095 --> 01:24:49,135
Speaker 17: an open aggregate mixer. So anything I can apply to that,

1507
01:24:49,495 --> 01:24:51,055
Speaker 17: do you stop that water coming through?

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01:24:52,375 --> 01:24:52,535
Speaker 10: Yeah?

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01:24:52,575 --> 01:24:57,615
Speaker 5: There are so it's not an uncommon question. It's not

1510
01:24:57,655 --> 01:25:00,655
Speaker 5: an uncommon question in Auckland, with whether we've had over

1511
01:25:00,655 --> 01:25:05,415
Speaker 5: the last couple of years. So are you sure that

1512
01:25:05,575 --> 01:25:08,735
Speaker 5: the water is migrating its way through the walls. It's

1513
01:25:08,815 --> 01:25:12,375
Speaker 5: not a leak from a flashing or a detail further up, No.

1514
01:25:12,415 --> 01:25:14,815
Speaker 17: No, it is definitely from the walls.

1515
01:25:14,895 --> 01:25:18,175
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, so could you get to the outside of

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01:25:18,215 --> 01:25:20,095
Speaker 5: the wall and waterproof the wall properly?

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01:25:22,095 --> 01:25:27,375
Speaker 17: It's built into a bank, so's it's it would be

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01:25:27,455 --> 01:25:29,695
Speaker 17: difficult to do here. It could be possible, it would

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01:25:29,735 --> 01:25:30,935
Speaker 17: be very difficult to do.

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01:25:31,015 --> 01:25:33,455
Speaker 5: That, so if you took a belt embraces approach, that

1521
01:25:33,535 --> 01:25:35,975
Speaker 5: would probably be the one to go for that. You

1522
01:25:36,095 --> 01:25:39,455
Speaker 5: remove all of that backfill, expose the wall, clean the wall,

1523
01:25:39,615 --> 01:25:45,055
Speaker 5: add waterproofing, add drainage coil, so something like Bailey, Black Snake,

1524
01:25:45,295 --> 01:25:48,335
Speaker 5: do the aggregate, et cetera, et cetera. If that's impractical,

1525
01:25:48,575 --> 01:25:51,695
Speaker 5: then if the inside face of the wall is unpainted,

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01:25:52,095 --> 01:25:56,935
Speaker 5: it's just bear masonry. You can apply like a crystalline

1527
01:25:57,015 --> 01:26:01,615
Speaker 5: solution which migrates through the wall looking for moisture, right,

1528
01:26:01,855 --> 01:26:05,495
Speaker 5: And that's things like Sims crystal Proof, and there's probably

1529
01:26:05,535 --> 01:26:09,055
Speaker 5: a couple of other brand there as well. Now, what

1530
01:26:09,295 --> 01:26:11,775
Speaker 5: you can't do if you've applied that later on One

1531
01:26:11,855 --> 01:26:13,415
Speaker 5: you can't apply it if there's paint on the wall,

1532
01:26:13,455 --> 01:26:15,175
Speaker 5: so you'd have to get rid of that. Two you

1533
01:26:15,335 --> 01:26:18,175
Speaker 5: can't then paint over it either. So if it's an

1534
01:26:18,175 --> 01:26:22,695
Speaker 5: a habitable space it's not really designed for that. You

1535
01:26:22,775 --> 01:26:25,415
Speaker 5: could possibly batten it and line over the top of it.

1536
01:26:25,615 --> 01:26:31,015
Speaker 5: You can't paint over the top then you then there

1537
01:26:31,055 --> 01:26:33,895
Speaker 5: are other more elaborate situations, which is kind of a

1538
01:26:34,055 --> 01:26:37,575
Speaker 5: UK based one where you add like an entire false

1539
01:26:37,695 --> 01:26:41,095
Speaker 5: wall and add drainage and so you can't solve the problem,

1540
01:26:41,175 --> 01:26:43,655
Speaker 5: but you're dealing with the problem by taking the moisture away.

1541
01:26:44,055 --> 01:26:48,375
Speaker 5: But I think that if it's intermittent and you can

1542
01:26:48,535 --> 01:26:51,575
Speaker 5: the wall is exposed and you can use a crystalline solution,

1543
01:26:51,695 --> 01:26:52,975
Speaker 5: that's probably your best bet.

1544
01:26:54,215 --> 01:26:58,215
Speaker 17: I'll go, all right, connect can that be sprayed on

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01:26:58,495 --> 01:26:59,535
Speaker 17: or no?

1546
01:26:59,815 --> 01:27:01,735
Speaker 5: Typically it's a brush, I would brush it on. I

1547
01:27:01,815 --> 01:27:03,935
Speaker 5: think certainly when I've used that, I've just applied it

1548
01:27:04,015 --> 01:27:04,495
Speaker 5: with a brush.

1549
01:27:05,535 --> 01:27:07,535
Speaker 17: Yep, Yeah, yeah, excellent.

1550
01:27:07,575 --> 01:27:11,335
Speaker 5: Thanks take Heather, we take short break. We'll talk to

1551
01:27:11,375 --> 01:27:12,655
Speaker 5: Steve in just a moment.

1552
01:27:14,175 --> 01:27:16,495
Speaker 1: Doing other house sorting the guard and ask Pete for

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Speaker 1: a hand the resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and light

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Speaker 5: You have windows or doors that just won't cooperate, whether

1557
01:27:30,255 --> 01:27:32,895
Speaker 5: it's a sliding door that won't slide, a window that's

1558
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Speaker 5: and insect screens to enhance your homes functionality and security.

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Speaker 5: That technicians arrive in fully stopped vans often able to

1564
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Speaker 5: complete repairs on the spot, making sure your home is warm,

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Speaker 5: safe and secure. If you're tired of dealing with drafty

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Speaker 5: windows or misaligned doors, let Exceeds professional tech care team

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Speaker 5: condensation with EVS retro glazing. For top quality repairs and installations,

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Speaker 5: of the company who've been exceeding expectations for over thirty years.

1572
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Speaker 4: Measure twice, got once, but maybe Collpete first.

1573
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Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcamp, the resident builder with Light four solar it

1574
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Speaker 1: flick the switch to solar today used talks'd be.

1575
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Speaker 5: I feel I've shot myself in the foot. Someone's just

1576
01:28:44,615 --> 01:28:47,495
Speaker 5: text through Yes, Now you've explained the cost implication. Thanks

1577
01:28:47,535 --> 01:28:51,615
Speaker 5: for raising this. My long exgesis on my thoughts around

1578
01:28:51,615 --> 01:28:55,535
Speaker 5: the insulation was to encourage you to adopt the insulation

1579
01:28:55,695 --> 01:29:00,895
Speaker 5: guidelines not necessarily schedule method. But I don't want to

1580
01:29:00,935 --> 01:29:02,975
Speaker 5: see it rolled back personally, So we'll see what do

1581
01:29:03,015 --> 01:29:04,495
Speaker 5: you think, Steve, Good morning to you.

1582
01:29:06,335 --> 01:29:08,935
Speaker 7: Get O Pete. So I'll have a little debate with

1583
01:29:09,055 --> 01:29:11,655
Speaker 7: you on this one. Pete. Sure, I've been the building industry,

1584
01:29:11,695 --> 01:29:15,015
Speaker 7: as you know, thirty years as a qualified builder and

1585
01:29:15,575 --> 01:29:19,055
Speaker 7: architectural designer. Look, I've been. I just want to focus,

1586
01:29:20,255 --> 01:29:23,215
Speaker 7: sorry is to South Island people, but look just purely

1587
01:29:23,255 --> 01:29:26,295
Speaker 7: to the North Island right and Auckland and above and

1588
01:29:26,415 --> 01:29:29,775
Speaker 7: our region, our climate region and the implications of the

1589
01:29:29,935 --> 01:29:33,815
Speaker 7: new insallation requirements for a starting point, Pete. As you know,

1590
01:29:34,335 --> 01:29:38,015
Speaker 7: the construction industry is a mysterious place to most people

1591
01:29:38,215 --> 01:29:42,135
Speaker 7: right until they actually build, and then they find out

1592
01:29:42,175 --> 01:29:44,215
Speaker 7: what it's all about very quickly in the costs, may

1593
01:29:44,295 --> 01:29:47,775
Speaker 7: get educated with it. And the problem is, you know what, Pete,

1594
01:29:48,495 --> 01:29:52,015
Speaker 7: we didn't. So I've been. I've had thousands of clients

1595
01:29:52,095 --> 01:29:56,695
Speaker 7: right over the years, and people who have actually got

1596
01:29:56,775 --> 01:30:00,055
Speaker 7: the new insulation that was pre so most new Zealanders

1597
01:30:00,055 --> 01:30:03,815
Speaker 7: wouldn't have realized we already had a massive insulation requirement

1598
01:30:03,975 --> 01:30:07,895
Speaker 7: upgrade right in the building code to the latest one,

1599
01:30:08,055 --> 01:30:11,455
Speaker 7: which has really thrown it right up right. There were

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01:30:11,535 --> 01:30:17,215
Speaker 7: climates doubled, so the one that was just superseded the

1601
01:30:17,335 --> 01:30:20,695
Speaker 7: previous one to what there is now. Look, people who

1602
01:30:20,735 --> 01:30:23,655
Speaker 7: have had that in the Auckland region and the double

1603
01:30:23,695 --> 01:30:27,895
Speaker 7: glazing and those beefed up the beefed up insulation, the

1604
01:30:27,975 --> 01:30:31,735
Speaker 7: walls and the and the ceilings, they were more than happy.

1605
01:30:31,855 --> 01:30:34,215
Speaker 7: They're more than happy with with the with what with

1606
01:30:34,375 --> 01:30:39,175
Speaker 7: hell it was performing and keeping people warm. I've I

1607
01:30:39,255 --> 01:30:43,015
Speaker 7: didn't hear a single client complained that it was too cold.

1608
01:30:43,895 --> 01:30:46,535
Speaker 7: Never right. It was always the people who are rappling

1609
01:30:46,615 --> 01:30:49,655
Speaker 7: around in the old villas and bungalows with no insulation.

1610
01:30:50,175 --> 01:30:52,375
Speaker 7: And I think the problem is that it was those

1611
01:30:52,535 --> 01:30:56,855
Speaker 7: people who got canvas and questions surveyed as to whether

1612
01:30:56,975 --> 01:30:59,655
Speaker 7: they thought it was a good idea to have more insulation.

1613
01:31:00,255 --> 01:31:02,975
Speaker 7: We actually can the government canvas for the wrong people

1614
01:31:03,095 --> 01:31:05,855
Speaker 7: when you know they went through and made these decisions

1615
01:31:05,935 --> 01:31:12,655
Speaker 7: to upgraded again to the latest requirements, because they should

1616
01:31:12,655 --> 01:31:16,175
Speaker 7: have asked the people, really shouldn't they With the previous

1617
01:31:16,455 --> 01:31:18,015
Speaker 7: requirements whether or not they needed.

1618
01:31:18,615 --> 01:31:21,095
Speaker 5: Look, I'm all for asking the people, but I'd prefer

1619
01:31:21,175 --> 01:31:24,775
Speaker 5: to talk to experts to be blunt, So I mean

1620
01:31:25,095 --> 01:31:28,935
Speaker 5: it would be yeah, and look, in a sense, I

1621
01:31:28,975 --> 01:31:32,295
Speaker 5: would agree with you. I think that the blanket requirement,

1622
01:31:32,415 --> 01:31:35,335
Speaker 5: so the schedule method is what has tripped them up,

1623
01:31:35,455 --> 01:31:39,215
Speaker 5: right by going, Okay, if you're going to do schedule method,

1624
01:31:39,695 --> 01:31:41,695
Speaker 5: you're going to have R six point six in your

1625
01:31:41,775 --> 01:31:46,415
Speaker 5: ceilings in every single climatic zone, which is kind of

1626
01:31:46,495 --> 01:31:50,735
Speaker 5: nonsense really, because you're right, there is no there is

1627
01:31:51,135 --> 01:31:55,095
Speaker 5: little benefit to doing that much insulation, let's say in

1628
01:31:55,215 --> 01:31:58,575
Speaker 5: the far North or even in Auckland, as long as

1629
01:31:59,895 --> 01:32:04,095
Speaker 5: as long as you've done other stuff. I think I

1630
01:32:04,175 --> 01:32:06,415
Speaker 5: can understand why they've left the schedule method in. And

1631
01:32:06,495 --> 01:32:08,775
Speaker 5: I suspect that the reason for it is because you

1632
01:32:08,935 --> 01:32:12,375
Speaker 5: still want to leave with people the ability to design

1633
01:32:12,535 --> 01:32:16,935
Speaker 5: a modest building by just using the three six o four. Right,

1634
01:32:17,335 --> 01:32:18,975
Speaker 5: So you go to three six o four, you go

1635
01:32:19,055 --> 01:32:21,455
Speaker 5: to the insulation guide, you see what it is, and

1636
01:32:21,575 --> 01:32:23,895
Speaker 5: you can go on and build it. But I just

1637
01:32:23,975 --> 01:32:26,335
Speaker 5: wonder whether it's time to let go of that really

1638
01:32:26,415 --> 01:32:29,215
Speaker 5: simplistic approach to building and say, actually you know what,

1639
01:32:29,455 --> 01:32:33,055
Speaker 5: because our energy performance is actually really important. The minimum

1640
01:32:33,135 --> 01:32:36,015
Speaker 5: requirement is that you do a calculation on it, right

1641
01:32:36,295 --> 01:32:38,895
Speaker 5: and there are online calculation tools that you can use.

1642
01:32:38,975 --> 01:32:41,375
Speaker 5: You go to the Green Building Council, use their online

1643
01:32:41,415 --> 01:32:43,495
Speaker 5: tool and you'll be able to figure out what your

1644
01:32:43,575 --> 01:32:46,935
Speaker 5: heat loss calculation has to be. So why not just

1645
01:32:47,055 --> 01:32:50,015
Speaker 5: say in future, what we need is you all to

1646
01:32:50,135 --> 01:32:53,215
Speaker 5: calculate how your building's going to perform, which allows us

1647
01:32:53,295 --> 01:32:56,295
Speaker 5: to figure out what its location is, the size of

1648
01:32:56,335 --> 01:32:59,095
Speaker 5: the building. You know, you can make adjustments. If you

1649
01:32:59,135 --> 01:33:01,055
Speaker 5: make the windows a little bit smaller, and you find

1650
01:33:01,055 --> 01:33:03,095
Speaker 5: that you've got sufficient insulation in the walls, then you

1651
01:33:03,215 --> 01:33:06,295
Speaker 5: might not even need theirmly broken aluminium, et cetera, et cetera.

1652
01:33:06,495 --> 01:33:10,175
Speaker 5: It's just there should be subtlety, Pete.

1653
01:33:10,335 --> 01:33:12,455
Speaker 7: No one uses a schedule method. Now with the new

1654
01:33:12,535 --> 01:33:14,655
Speaker 7: reg you can't. You have to go to a calculation.

1655
01:33:14,855 --> 01:33:17,055
Speaker 7: So all the designers, like we used to do our

1656
01:33:17,295 --> 01:33:19,895
Speaker 7: schedule method right now the new recks, we all pretty

1657
01:33:19,975 --> 01:33:23,575
Speaker 7: much sub it out to another industry, namely the insulation

1658
01:33:23,695 --> 01:33:25,615
Speaker 7: companies who are now doing reports for us that we

1659
01:33:25,695 --> 01:33:28,095
Speaker 7: have to provide to the council, and they're all using

1660
01:33:28,175 --> 01:33:30,735
Speaker 7: calculation because they can't do it with the schedule. And

1661
01:33:30,855 --> 01:33:32,775
Speaker 7: if you think that you can make it all happen

1662
01:33:32,855 --> 01:33:35,015
Speaker 7: by making your windows small, well you better have very

1663
01:33:35,215 --> 01:33:38,175
Speaker 7: You better expect very, very small windows in your house.

1664
01:33:38,895 --> 01:33:41,575
Speaker 7: People don't live that way. We like our glazing, and

1665
01:33:41,695 --> 01:33:44,375
Speaker 7: that's even in the most modest homes. They like their glazing.

1666
01:33:44,415 --> 01:33:46,255
Speaker 7: You like to look out, you like to have that

1667
01:33:46,375 --> 01:33:49,895
Speaker 7: indoor outdoor flow. So you still have to meet the

1668
01:33:50,095 --> 01:33:53,375
Speaker 7: latest requirements pete. And that's still double the insallation. Most

1669
01:33:53,415 --> 01:33:56,055
Speaker 7: people don't realize, but you've almost got half a meter

1670
01:33:56,295 --> 01:33:59,415
Speaker 7: of pink bats now thrown into your ceiling if with

1671
01:33:59,575 --> 01:34:03,095
Speaker 7: the with the new rex, it's absolutely ridiculous.

1672
01:34:03,175 --> 01:34:05,415
Speaker 5: It's not half for me, that's not half for meat.

1673
01:34:05,455 --> 01:34:08,855
Speaker 5: Well look it's not, so let's not be alarmist.

1674
01:34:09,455 --> 01:34:12,575
Speaker 7: But four hundred milk three to four hundred mil But

1675
01:34:13,055 --> 01:34:13,895
Speaker 7: if you had.

1676
01:34:14,375 --> 01:34:17,135
Speaker 5: If you needed six point six, but you might find

1677
01:34:17,335 --> 01:34:20,735
Speaker 5: using a calculation method that in fact you need four four.

1678
01:34:21,015 --> 01:34:23,295
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, but I'm just saying people are all But

1679
01:34:23,375 --> 01:34:25,175
Speaker 7: you also have to now bring in a blend of

1680
01:34:25,215 --> 01:34:29,815
Speaker 7: different installations and different densities at the eaves, like they're

1681
01:34:29,815 --> 01:34:31,895
Speaker 7: going to put between the batons and you have overlays

1682
01:34:31,935 --> 01:34:34,975
Speaker 7: over that it does get quite expensive and quite onerous.

1683
01:34:35,055 --> 01:34:38,335
Speaker 7: I thought, I'm just saying to the Auckland region down south,

1684
01:34:38,415 --> 01:34:41,535
Speaker 7: I think it's probably perfectly fine, acceptable, But I think

1685
01:34:41,575 --> 01:34:43,895
Speaker 7: they used a broad brush approach. They could have left

1686
01:34:44,215 --> 01:34:47,455
Speaker 7: Auckland and North alone. We just we just didn't need it.

1687
01:34:47,615 --> 01:34:49,695
Speaker 7: To have this extra stuff. We just did. It was

1688
01:34:49,775 --> 01:34:52,415
Speaker 7: not necessary, and on that point I may well agree

1689
01:34:52,415 --> 01:34:52,575
Speaker 7: with you.

1690
01:34:52,695 --> 01:34:54,615
Speaker 5: The good thing is we're aiming to get the Minister

1691
01:34:54,815 --> 01:34:57,295
Speaker 5: of Building Instruction onto the show at some stage in

1692
01:34:57,295 --> 01:35:00,295
Speaker 5: the next little while, so Honorable Chris Pink will be

1693
01:35:00,415 --> 01:35:02,895
Speaker 5: joining us at some stage in the next couple of weeks.

1694
01:35:03,135 --> 01:35:05,295
Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you have

1695
01:35:05,575 --> 01:35:08,415
Speaker 5: a gardener question, you can call us right now. Oh

1696
01:35:08,495 --> 01:35:12,775
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Ridd is standing by for.

1697
01:35:12,895 --> 01:35:15,215
Speaker 4: More from the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp.

1698
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1699
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