1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:16,093 Speaker 1: from news Talks at b Black. 3 00:00:18,533 --> 00:00:32,173 Speaker 2: Black. Let me put you up play Belong Black. You've 4 00:00:32,213 --> 00:00:36,773 Speaker 2: been in the background long. You still did be with 5 00:00:36,893 --> 00:00:39,453 Speaker 2: Jack Tame through the midday today. Moana and the Tribe 6 00:00:39,533 --> 00:00:43,853 Speaker 2: are long acknowledged as having pushed the boundaries of maldi music. 7 00:00:44,213 --> 00:00:47,573 Speaker 2: Singer songwriter Moana Money of Portal and Bodies, Language Politics, 8 00:00:47,733 --> 00:00:51,293 Speaker 2: enjoy while performing and as part of the Aukland Arts Festival. 9 00:00:51,293 --> 00:00:53,293 Speaker 2: This year, Moana and the Tribe are going to perform 10 00:00:53,293 --> 00:00:56,413 Speaker 2: in a very special event to my International Women's Day. 11 00:00:57,133 --> 00:00:59,413 Speaker 2: Moana is with us this morning, killed her. 12 00:00:59,493 --> 00:01:06,213 Speaker 3: Good morning, Curi, Kate Pie mcqueer PI, how. 13 00:01:06,133 --> 00:01:07,333 Speaker 2: You doing well? Thanks you too? 14 00:01:07,413 --> 00:01:07,613 Speaker 3: Yep. 15 00:01:09,053 --> 00:01:11,893 Speaker 2: What's it like as an interviewer being interviewed. 16 00:01:12,493 --> 00:01:15,333 Speaker 3: I'm slightly nervous. You might ask me some really tricky question. 17 00:01:16,733 --> 00:01:19,733 Speaker 2: I'm not going to grill you. That's not that I'm read. 18 00:01:19,773 --> 00:01:21,773 Speaker 3: I'm psyching myself up. I've had my espresso. 19 00:01:21,893 --> 00:01:24,453 Speaker 2: Maybe you have more empathy for the people you have 20 00:01:24,773 --> 00:01:27,213 Speaker 2: in the seat when you're grilling them. Now you'll be I. 21 00:01:27,253 --> 00:01:30,293 Speaker 3: Don't grill, I unpecked the issues. 22 00:01:30,453 --> 00:01:30,933 Speaker 1: There you go. 23 00:01:31,693 --> 00:01:35,373 Speaker 2: That's and that's you have a very cunning way of 24 00:01:35,413 --> 00:01:36,693 Speaker 2: getting getting to the truth. 25 00:01:36,733 --> 00:01:41,453 Speaker 3: I think, excuse me, mister Smile. Mister Smiley, who's just then, 26 00:01:41,613 --> 00:01:44,773 Speaker 3: just like gas for the Killers, there's Smile as a trojan. 27 00:01:44,853 --> 00:01:46,093 Speaker 3: So you just watch it. 28 00:01:46,253 --> 00:01:49,293 Speaker 2: No, no, no, hey. It is so exciting that you 29 00:01:49,373 --> 00:01:51,253 Speaker 2: and the tribe are going to be performing at the 30 00:01:51,373 --> 00:01:53,693 Speaker 2: Arts Festival. But this is a bit of a different 31 00:01:53,693 --> 00:01:56,053 Speaker 2: performance in that you have some friends. 32 00:01:56,533 --> 00:01:58,733 Speaker 3: I have many friends. I've got a little bit carried 33 00:01:58,773 --> 00:02:01,573 Speaker 3: away Jack. There is a cast of thousands on stage. 34 00:02:01,813 --> 00:02:05,053 Speaker 3: My dear friend Patty Free is a little bit nervous. 35 00:02:05,733 --> 00:02:10,733 Speaker 3: But I do have two special guests coming in from overseas. 36 00:02:11,253 --> 00:02:16,413 Speaker 3: My last album Or was a collaboration with indigenous vocalist 37 00:02:16,413 --> 00:02:19,973 Speaker 3: singing in their language while Scotty and I performed in Mardi. 38 00:02:20,573 --> 00:02:24,013 Speaker 3: So I've reached out and I've got Comakwa kannaka Aula 39 00:02:24,213 --> 00:02:28,973 Speaker 3: coming in from Hawaii and she sings in her native tongue. 40 00:02:28,973 --> 00:02:32,213 Speaker 3: She's been a champion in terms of helping reclaim the language. 41 00:02:32,213 --> 00:02:35,173 Speaker 3: She's a school teacher, as well as are some members 42 00:02:35,253 --> 00:02:40,173 Speaker 3: of my group. And Shelley Morris, who sings in Yanua. 43 00:02:40,733 --> 00:02:43,013 Speaker 3: She's actually she was an Australian of the Year a 44 00:02:43,053 --> 00:02:46,653 Speaker 3: couple of years ago, and she's used music to sort 45 00:02:46,653 --> 00:02:49,653 Speaker 3: of put on records some languages that are endangered. She's 46 00:02:49,733 --> 00:02:52,093 Speaker 3: just done amazing. And she tells me she gets so 47 00:02:52,333 --> 00:02:56,013 Speaker 3: nervous singing around the Aunties because they've given her the evils, 48 00:02:56,013 --> 00:02:58,933 Speaker 3: and yeah, so I'm really excited to have them come 49 00:02:58,973 --> 00:02:59,533 Speaker 3: and join us. 50 00:02:59,533 --> 00:03:03,973 Speaker 2: How amazing. So Janawa is an indigenous Australian language. Yes's Australian. 51 00:03:04,213 --> 00:03:04,373 Speaker 1: Yeah. 52 00:03:04,453 --> 00:03:08,093 Speaker 3: I think there's only like about fifty speakers left. Wow. Yeah, 53 00:03:08,133 --> 00:03:12,333 Speaker 3: So it was amazing doing this album. Scottish yep, the 54 00:03:12,333 --> 00:03:16,973 Speaker 3: Scottish singer Megan Henderson who sings in I believe they 55 00:03:16,973 --> 00:03:21,293 Speaker 3: call it Garlic in Spain Spain Scotland, Scotland. That would 56 00:03:21,293 --> 00:03:26,253 Speaker 3: be it sami up in Norway and and and Tayal 57 00:03:26,413 --> 00:03:31,013 Speaker 3: is a language in Taiwan. So yeah, we have them. 58 00:03:31,613 --> 00:03:34,653 Speaker 2: Is it is it too? Like? Is it possible when 59 00:03:34,693 --> 00:03:38,853 Speaker 2: you're hearing those different languages? Can you draw out common threads? 60 00:03:38,893 --> 00:03:39,413 Speaker 3: Not at all? 61 00:03:39,733 --> 00:03:41,653 Speaker 2: Right now, I don't. I don't necessarily mean in the 62 00:03:41,653 --> 00:03:43,533 Speaker 2: structure of the language or even in the sound of 63 00:03:43,573 --> 00:03:46,613 Speaker 2: the language, but in the way that for example, Tedi 64 00:03:46,613 --> 00:03:51,493 Speaker 2: el Mahudi uses so many metaphors inspired by the natural world, right, 65 00:03:52,413 --> 00:03:54,813 Speaker 2: like are they are there? Are there themes like that 66 00:03:54,813 --> 00:03:56,613 Speaker 2: that you can see through the language or not? 67 00:03:56,653 --> 00:03:59,293 Speaker 3: Really I can't see them through the language, but the 68 00:03:59,333 --> 00:04:03,893 Speaker 3: stories are similar. So Scottie wrote a song that talks 69 00:04:03,893 --> 00:04:06,533 Speaker 3: about the relationship between the sun and the moon, and 70 00:04:06,613 --> 00:04:10,933 Speaker 3: that story is present in indigenous Australian stories as well. 71 00:04:12,333 --> 00:04:15,573 Speaker 3: The song that we wrote with Inka and Bing, she 72 00:04:16,213 --> 00:04:18,933 Speaker 3: the very first song she everluned as a child was 73 00:04:18,973 --> 00:04:21,533 Speaker 3: in Japanese because they were colonized by the Japanese then 74 00:04:21,573 --> 00:04:24,893 Speaker 3: in Chinese and their parents had their mouths washed out. 75 00:04:25,013 --> 00:04:28,013 Speaker 3: Was so the same experience that my father's generation had. 76 00:04:28,693 --> 00:04:32,813 Speaker 3: So when we wrote a song about taku real my treasure, 77 00:04:33,293 --> 00:04:38,053 Speaker 3: you know, my jewel, this song is about she got 78 00:04:38,173 --> 00:04:41,013 Speaker 3: very very emotional, you know. So those sort of things, 79 00:04:41,053 --> 00:04:45,373 Speaker 3: the stories, stories that come with colonization, they're very similar. 80 00:04:45,613 --> 00:04:48,333 Speaker 2: There are common kind of experiences. Yeah right, yeah, yeah. 81 00:04:49,173 --> 00:04:56,213 Speaker 2: You mentioned coma coma Hawaii. Do you do you notice 82 00:04:56,253 --> 00:04:58,893 Speaker 2: the commonalities between the Hawaiian and digitos. 83 00:05:00,373 --> 00:05:05,733 Speaker 3: She's the same way comar to a queer. We first 84 00:05:05,733 --> 00:05:09,613 Speaker 3: met Komak you were at the Olympic Games in the 85 00:05:09,613 --> 00:05:13,613 Speaker 3: Cultural Olympic in Greece like about a million years ago, 86 00:05:13,933 --> 00:05:16,293 Speaker 3: and just when I was hunting around for a Hawaiian 87 00:05:16,373 --> 00:05:19,773 Speaker 3: native Hawaiian singer just landed on here and that was 88 00:05:20,173 --> 00:05:24,093 Speaker 3: really special. So yeah, we've got a Hacke team for 89 00:05:24,253 --> 00:05:28,053 Speaker 3: their band for this concert, and it's got four women 90 00:05:28,133 --> 00:05:30,613 Speaker 3: in it for a change. Usually it's a male lineup, 91 00:05:31,573 --> 00:05:34,293 Speaker 3: so they come from different groups. In fact, one of 92 00:05:34,333 --> 00:05:38,373 Speaker 3: the Madam Jones was a bit of a probably about 93 00:05:38,373 --> 00:05:40,573 Speaker 3: four years old when I released a song called Black 94 00:05:40,613 --> 00:05:43,333 Speaker 3: Pearl and was in the video. So now I've dragged 95 00:05:43,373 --> 00:05:45,893 Speaker 3: her out. Now she's got her own black films, got the. 96 00:05:45,893 --> 00:05:48,413 Speaker 2: Curler, I got the caller. How good because all I 97 00:05:48,533 --> 00:05:50,373 Speaker 2: was the celebration of International Women's. 98 00:05:50,133 --> 00:05:53,053 Speaker 3: Day, right, yes, yes it is, and so and we've 99 00:05:53,093 --> 00:05:55,693 Speaker 3: got Marka who she's a well known bass player, plays 100 00:05:55,733 --> 00:05:59,933 Speaker 3: with lots of awesome bands, and my sister Trina, my 101 00:06:00,013 --> 00:06:04,533 Speaker 3: friend Amadia so and we've got some very handy talented 102 00:06:04,573 --> 00:06:08,573 Speaker 3: blokes in there as well, like Scott and Petty and Kidzo. 103 00:06:08,733 --> 00:06:11,493 Speaker 3: So it's going to be great. And it's a celebration 104 00:06:11,653 --> 00:06:17,213 Speaker 3: of like Manawahi there mana reel we will I've just 105 00:06:17,373 --> 00:06:20,853 Speaker 3: realized that it's been thirty years since I wrote a 106 00:06:20,893 --> 00:06:24,333 Speaker 3: song called Treaty, So we're going to pop that one 107 00:06:24,333 --> 00:06:27,333 Speaker 3: out too. Can you believe it? Yes? 108 00:06:29,293 --> 00:06:31,333 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that is remarkable. 109 00:06:31,573 --> 00:06:32,373 Speaker 3: Is that amazing? 110 00:06:32,533 --> 00:06:32,853 Speaker 2: Yeah? 111 00:06:32,973 --> 00:06:36,893 Speaker 3: And that's why I can remember the articles to the 112 00:06:36,933 --> 00:06:39,613 Speaker 3: treaty because we turned it into a hukka. So it's like, 113 00:06:39,693 --> 00:06:42,093 Speaker 3: God there, Queen, I don't need for this. So if 114 00:06:42,093 --> 00:06:44,173 Speaker 3: anyone says, you know, know what's in the Treaty, I'm like, 115 00:06:44,533 --> 00:06:47,173 Speaker 3: stand back here, you know. So we're going to play 116 00:06:47,213 --> 00:06:49,853 Speaker 3: that one because it's it's relevant, it won't go away. 117 00:06:49,933 --> 00:06:51,813 Speaker 2: Well, it's always been one of the defining things with 118 00:06:51,853 --> 00:06:54,733 Speaker 2: your music, right, Your music has always kind of responded 119 00:06:54,773 --> 00:06:58,613 Speaker 2: to the moment. So how do you think about this moment? 120 00:06:59,173 --> 00:07:03,013 Speaker 3: Oh, this moment is extremely challenging. So songs like Treaty 121 00:07:03,053 --> 00:07:07,813 Speaker 3: with the messages still relevant still and endure, but it's 122 00:07:07,933 --> 00:07:10,733 Speaker 3: kind of like a mobilizing sort of song. And I 123 00:07:10,733 --> 00:07:14,093 Speaker 3: think I think what's really exciting now, Jack, is that 124 00:07:14,773 --> 00:07:19,333 Speaker 3: there are so many people out there, Mardi and non Mardy, 125 00:07:19,693 --> 00:07:23,573 Speaker 3: who are part of a movement that are excited by things, 126 00:07:23,613 --> 00:07:29,733 Speaker 3: that don't feel threatened, that are thinking into generationally and 127 00:07:29,733 --> 00:07:34,413 Speaker 3: and you know that's the exciting, inspirational thing. And so 128 00:07:35,053 --> 00:07:38,813 Speaker 3: on March eighth, we're talking to women from all walks 129 00:07:38,813 --> 00:07:44,013 Speaker 3: of life as well as all New Zealanders. So yeah, 130 00:07:44,333 --> 00:07:45,773 Speaker 3: I kind of You know, it's easy to get a 131 00:07:45,813 --> 00:07:47,973 Speaker 3: bit depressed, especially when you listen to the news and 132 00:07:48,013 --> 00:07:51,973 Speaker 3: you think, really, that is so dumb, and then you 133 00:07:52,013 --> 00:07:53,853 Speaker 3: just think about all the people out there that are 134 00:07:54,013 --> 00:07:55,573 Speaker 3: switched on and doing things. 135 00:07:55,773 --> 00:08:01,093 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you see what you think of depressing developments 136 00:08:01,213 --> 00:08:04,373 Speaker 2: or stories or politics or whatever, does it kind of 137 00:08:04,453 --> 00:08:06,373 Speaker 2: stoke the creative fire in you. 138 00:08:06,893 --> 00:08:10,013 Speaker 3: Oh, my creative fire has been a little bit dampened 139 00:08:10,173 --> 00:08:14,653 Speaker 3: by this thing called journalism, which I only started reluctantly 140 00:08:15,253 --> 00:08:19,653 Speaker 3: about sixty years ago. And I cannot believe how intense 141 00:08:19,693 --> 00:08:21,613 Speaker 3: it is, isn't it. 142 00:08:22,093 --> 00:08:23,133 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so intense. 143 00:08:24,413 --> 00:08:27,853 Speaker 3: It's one o'clock in the morning, intense, swatting over questions, 144 00:08:27,893 --> 00:08:30,773 Speaker 3: having one hundred questions, and then somebody going you can 145 00:08:30,813 --> 00:08:35,373 Speaker 3: only ask sex, don't be ridiculous. The responsibility of picking 146 00:08:35,453 --> 00:08:39,373 Speaker 3: stories or issues and thinking, oh, but then what about this, 147 00:08:39,493 --> 00:08:42,773 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that one, or having someone say no 148 00:08:42,813 --> 00:08:45,093 Speaker 3: one cares about that, and then thinking, well, we've got 149 00:08:45,133 --> 00:08:47,733 Speaker 3: to make them care about that. I just find it 150 00:08:47,973 --> 00:08:52,773 Speaker 3: really really intense a privilege but a huge responsibility. 151 00:08:52,813 --> 00:08:54,493 Speaker 2: Isn't it a bit interesting that you say that that 152 00:08:54,613 --> 00:08:58,533 Speaker 2: stampened your kind of creative fires, because there's a creative 153 00:08:58,573 --> 00:09:01,613 Speaker 2: component to what you do, especially on TA Yeah. 154 00:09:01,653 --> 00:09:05,573 Speaker 3: I think we try and help connect the dots or 155 00:09:05,653 --> 00:09:09,133 Speaker 3: engage people in a way that you have to be 156 00:09:09,213 --> 00:09:13,973 Speaker 3: creative because everything's like tiki toki carry on nowadays, it's 157 00:09:14,013 --> 00:09:16,613 Speaker 3: like five seconds or stuff, So you have to find 158 00:09:16,653 --> 00:09:19,573 Speaker 3: ways to reach out to people. And we're not really 159 00:09:19,853 --> 00:09:23,453 Speaker 3: into the sound bites and the headlines, are trying to 160 00:09:23,493 --> 00:09:27,013 Speaker 3: contribute to a better and a more nuanced conversation. So 161 00:09:27,093 --> 00:09:29,053 Speaker 3: that's a challenge. You have to be creative when you 162 00:09:29,133 --> 00:09:29,413 Speaker 3: do that. 163 00:09:30,253 --> 00:09:32,693 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you said you were kind of reluctant getting 164 00:09:32,693 --> 00:09:35,773 Speaker 2: into it, but it's been hugely successful and I was beloved. 165 00:09:35,813 --> 00:09:39,373 Speaker 2: It feels like you've really like you've really found a 166 00:09:39,493 --> 00:09:42,653 Speaker 2: great place on that show as well. Like you say, 167 00:09:42,693 --> 00:09:45,773 Speaker 2: you're not chasing their headlines and kind of little gotcha 168 00:09:45,813 --> 00:09:47,333 Speaker 2: moments or anything like that. 169 00:09:47,413 --> 00:09:50,733 Speaker 3: You know, you, I appreciate that. My reluctance was because 170 00:09:50,773 --> 00:09:54,333 Speaker 3: I have great respect for journalists and the journalists that 171 00:09:54,413 --> 00:09:58,653 Speaker 3: I know you know, they trained, they went to journalism 172 00:09:58,773 --> 00:10:01,333 Speaker 3: school and you know, if I think back to Derek 173 00:10:01,413 --> 00:10:05,053 Speaker 3: Fox and when a huddle and the people that I 174 00:10:05,093 --> 00:10:07,693 Speaker 3: know that, you know, they learned all that. So so 175 00:10:07,773 --> 00:10:10,253 Speaker 3: I was like, I can't be a generous I don't 176 00:10:10,253 --> 00:10:12,533 Speaker 3: know the first thing about it. Then they brought in 177 00:10:12,613 --> 00:10:16,893 Speaker 3: this really cool producer, Colin McCrae goes fear balanced and accurate, 178 00:10:16,933 --> 00:10:19,213 Speaker 3: and I'm like, how can you be fear balanced and 179 00:10:19,253 --> 00:10:22,253 Speaker 3: accurate when it's not a fear balanced or accurate world? 180 00:10:22,373 --> 00:10:24,093 Speaker 3: And we have this wonderful discussion. 181 00:10:24,213 --> 00:10:24,413 Speaker 1: Yeah. 182 00:10:24,493 --> 00:10:26,933 Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I just I just sort of thought, 183 00:10:27,173 --> 00:10:29,893 Speaker 3: I'll just ask the questions that I'm when you're doing 184 00:10:29,893 --> 00:10:33,613 Speaker 3: your interview, and I'm thinking that you ask it and 185 00:10:33,693 --> 00:10:36,693 Speaker 3: you do, you know, So that's what's such a privilege. 186 00:10:36,813 --> 00:10:39,773 Speaker 3: And you know, you are just such a great interviewer. 187 00:10:39,853 --> 00:10:43,213 Speaker 3: Jack yourself. No, I love it. I love the way 188 00:10:43,253 --> 00:10:46,933 Speaker 3: that you smile. And here we go, he's going on. 189 00:10:48,533 --> 00:10:51,053 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no. Like you say, it's a privilege, but. 190 00:10:50,973 --> 00:10:52,533 Speaker 3: I don't know how you balance everything? 191 00:10:53,013 --> 00:10:55,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, yeah, I think I could say exactly 192 00:10:55,333 --> 00:10:57,053 Speaker 2: the same thing for you speaking of it, How are 193 00:10:57,093 --> 00:10:59,253 Speaker 2: you going to balance everything? On stage with all of 194 00:10:59,333 --> 00:11:02,333 Speaker 2: these different performances. We're going to manage this well, there 195 00:11:02,173 --> 00:11:05,453 Speaker 2: are time to practice a no. 196 00:11:04,853 --> 00:11:08,053 Speaker 3: No no. The people can from it's just hard enough 197 00:11:08,093 --> 00:11:12,573 Speaker 3: getting the people from Auckland together. So and we're trying 198 00:11:12,613 --> 00:11:15,373 Speaker 3: to avoid any safety issues where someone gets clouded over 199 00:11:15,373 --> 00:11:17,253 Speaker 3: the head with a tire and stuff like that. 200 00:11:18,253 --> 00:11:21,413 Speaker 2: We've got we do you besed on that front. If 201 00:11:21,413 --> 00:11:24,413 Speaker 2: you can avoid that. Festival was remember the BES. 202 00:11:24,493 --> 00:11:26,413 Speaker 3: Was going to do we have any safety issues? No, no, 203 00:11:26,453 --> 00:11:30,253 Speaker 3: they're all professionals. Might get hit by my poy. But 204 00:11:31,133 --> 00:11:34,213 Speaker 3: you know, it's a very carefully curated thing. I am 205 00:11:34,293 --> 00:11:36,933 Speaker 3: quite excited about it. I listened to it every day 206 00:11:37,093 --> 00:11:40,653 Speaker 3: my set list, just to kind of ingrain the lyrics 207 00:11:40,693 --> 00:11:44,813 Speaker 3: into my brain and the messages. And you know, it's funny, Jack, 208 00:11:44,893 --> 00:11:51,213 Speaker 3: because we've realized that, like the whole set, probably ninety 209 00:11:51,253 --> 00:11:52,853 Speaker 3: percent of it is in language. 210 00:11:52,933 --> 00:11:53,093 Speaker 1: Now. 211 00:11:53,093 --> 00:11:55,373 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have been able to say that, you know, 212 00:11:55,533 --> 00:11:57,493 Speaker 3: thirty years ago when I was doing treating. And it's 213 00:11:57,533 --> 00:12:00,493 Speaker 3: just that's how it's evolved. It's not like we went, Okay, 214 00:12:00,493 --> 00:12:02,893 Speaker 3: we must have to do this. It's like, oh that song, 215 00:12:02,973 --> 00:12:06,653 Speaker 3: oh my god, you know so and I think That's 216 00:12:06,693 --> 00:12:10,053 Speaker 3: what's so exciting about twenty twenty six is listening to 217 00:12:11,133 --> 00:12:14,813 Speaker 3: people speak the elm. You know, it's exciting. And you've 218 00:12:14,813 --> 00:12:15,653 Speaker 3: done your book too. 219 00:12:16,053 --> 00:12:17,853 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a bumpy road. 220 00:12:18,373 --> 00:12:21,453 Speaker 3: She's a bumpy road. I'll tell you. She don't have 221 00:12:21,493 --> 00:12:22,293 Speaker 3: to get up and cut on. 222 00:12:22,333 --> 00:12:25,573 Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. Well, you've got the pipes for 223 00:12:25,613 --> 00:12:26,213 Speaker 2: it at the very lost. 224 00:12:26,453 --> 00:12:26,693 Speaker 3: Thank you. 225 00:12:27,413 --> 00:12:30,013 Speaker 2: We are really really excited that you and the tribe 226 00:12:30,013 --> 00:12:32,053 Speaker 2: will be performing. Thank you so much for giving us 227 00:12:32,133 --> 00:12:33,333 Speaker 2: your time and enjoy it. 228 00:12:33,773 --> 00:12:36,373 Speaker 3: Thank you. Jack. Number he que that. 229 00:12:36,533 --> 00:12:39,653 Speaker 2: Is Moana Money a Portal or Not with Mourna and 230 00:12:39,733 --> 00:12:43,373 Speaker 2: the Tribe is at Auckland Town Hall on the eighth 231 00:12:43,373 --> 00:12:46,013 Speaker 2: of March as part of the Auckland Arts Festival, and 232 00:12:46,053 --> 00:12:48,173 Speaker 2: we will have all of the deeds you know where 233 00:12:48,493 --> 00:12:53,053 Speaker 2: at news Talks EDB, dot co, dot MZ forward slash Jack. 234 00:12:53,733 --> 00:12:56,853 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame. Listen live 235 00:12:56,933 --> 00:13:00,093 Speaker 1: to News Talks EDB from nine am Saturday, or follow 236 00:13:00,133 --> 00:13:01,733 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.