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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from Newstalk zb OH.

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Speaker 2: To James mcconey, who is still in the Northern Hemisphere

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Speaker 2: from the Paris Olympics across to the UK where you'll

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Speaker 2: be jumping around and visiting various people. Opening weekend to

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Speaker 2: the Premier League season. Of course, James Chris Wood has

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Speaker 2: another goal. That's nine Premier League seasons now in which

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Speaker 2: he scored. He got the goal in Forrest's one old

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Speaker 2: draw with Bournemouth to open the Premier League season. More

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Speaker 2: goals in the Premier League now than Eric Kentoner. What

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Speaker 2: a player Chris Wood has become.

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable, isn't it. I'm so thrilled for Chris Wood.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like I've watched enough podcasts saying that

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Speaker 4: Forrests are going to be in the relegation zone to

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Speaker 4: think that they haven't really factored in Chris Wood because

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Speaker 4: he keeps scoring goals. He's an important part of that

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Speaker 4: club and I think they've got actually a pretty good

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Speaker 4: nucleus of attacking players. So I know it was only

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Speaker 4: one all, but hey, it's it's a point and and

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Speaker 4: Chris Wood just doesn't miss you know, he's reliable.

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Speaker 2: And very very reliable. They all count for one, doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, he's just a guy a lot of teams

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Speaker 2: would like to have. I guess his heir apparent in

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Speaker 2: the All Watch anyway would be Ben Wayne. He's a

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Speaker 2: Plymouth ar guy. Now Wayne Rooney's his boss, James.

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Speaker 4: I know I'm going down there to see him on

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Speaker 4: Monday for Crowd Goes Wild. So I can't wait to

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Speaker 4: see Wayne and Wayne. But they've said to me, you

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Speaker 4: might not get an audience with Wayne Rooney. But I

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Speaker 4: just said, I might be the only journalist that's traveled

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Speaker 4: twelve thousand miles to be there, So just you know,

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Speaker 4: give him a little nudge in my direction if you can.

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Speaker 3: But Ben Wayne, he look, I think that this is

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Speaker 3: this is a big season for him.

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Speaker 4: He's you know, he's you can tell that he's starting

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Speaker 4: games for the New Zealand at all levels and and

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Speaker 4: I think he is a proper starting striker. And he's

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Speaker 4: always been on the bench for Plymouth Argyle and I

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Speaker 4: think it stayed that way today.

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Speaker 3: So look, he's it's pivotal for Ben Wayne.

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Speaker 4: But you've watched him from his what I call his

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Speaker 4: Macaulay Culkin days, his home alone days as a basically

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Speaker 4: a child playing for the Phoenix. I think this is

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Speaker 4: this is going to be massive learning from pretty much

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Speaker 4: you know, one of the greatest English strikers of all time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, terrific for him. You just need to send send

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Speaker 2: Plymouth Art Guile footage of you interviewing Tony Hawk and

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Speaker 2: Scottie Sheffler and and tell them that actually, Wayne Rooney

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Speaker 2: is not such a big deal for you anyway. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure true, Raygun. Three of the biggest stars on the planet.

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Speaker 2: Wayne Rooney just will be very sort of common place

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Speaker 2: by comparison. Hey, did you get the charge in front

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Speaker 2: of a TV and watch you all Blacks?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I did?

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Speaker 4: And I really thought that they played some Champagne rugby

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Speaker 4: in the rain. I thought the Fords are outstanding. Great

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Speaker 4: to see two po vi. He's sort of stampers mark

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Speaker 4: on the game because I feel like he's he's got

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Speaker 4: that and him the loose forwards actually were excellent, weren't they.

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Speaker 4: And but really for me the standout performance was Damien McKenzie.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, he's getting coming under a lot

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Speaker 4: of pressure for game management and all these different sort

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Speaker 4: of things that. Yeah, I know it's important for a

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Speaker 4: first five, but I just think, don't scare off or

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Speaker 4: don't ruin let's say, the chances of seeing someone who

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Speaker 4: could be a real an outstanding first five too early

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Speaker 4: in the piece. You know, we've scared off talented players

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Speaker 4: before in rugby, and I just don't want to see

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Speaker 4: that happen to someone like Damien McKenzie. Look, his best

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Speaker 4: position may yet be fallback with Bowden slotting into ten

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Speaker 4: or something like that, but at the moment, I'm I

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Speaker 4: think it's worth persevering with that experiment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree, and I think he'll get the

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Speaker 2: ten jersey for the next Test against South Africa and

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Speaker 2: then we see from there. It was I thought it

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Speaker 2: It was very wet, especially in the lead up to

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Speaker 2: the game. Once the game started it wasn't as bad,

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Speaker 2: but I'm still getting over forty thousand there. We've talked

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Speaker 2: in Wellington. I think every sports organization is looking for

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Speaker 2: a way to make their events pop. If you like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're an out of the box thinker. Have

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Speaker 2: you got any thoughts on this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was kind of messaging you before saying, look,

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Speaker 4: I think there's something in the way that a lot

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Speaker 4: of sports events have just become so big that they

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Speaker 4: still improve against all odds, you know, like the Ryder Cup,

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Speaker 4: for example, last year was the most watched in its history,

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Speaker 4: even though linear TV or just normal TV is supposedly

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Speaker 4: going down in ratings, but the Ryder Cup manages to

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Speaker 4: sort of be bigger than ever. The Ashes seems to

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Speaker 4: be bigger than ever, and it's more frequent now.

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Speaker 3: So I think it comes down to a few things.

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Speaker 3: One is rivalry.

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Speaker 4: I think you can't beat that, and you know, even

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Speaker 4: state of origin, you can be an absolute newbie to

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Speaker 4: that and still appreciate what's on the line with this

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Speaker 4: intense rivalry. But then you need a format that really works,

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Speaker 4: and that's where I think the Ryder Cup is something.

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Speaker 4: By having three days of different types of competition. I

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Speaker 4: wonder whether rugby. I know rugby is going back to

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Speaker 4: tours of South Africa, but would it perhaps work, for example,

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Speaker 4: for transtatsmin competition not to just play for the bleeders

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Speaker 4: load with the men playing, but then also have the

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Speaker 4: Black fans play, and then have our sevens teams play, and.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: So there's four games, yes, and then it all becomes

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Speaker 4: a massive format so that you're all fully engaged in

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Speaker 4: all these different styles of rugby. And I mean that's

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Speaker 4: just for rugby, but I feel like in other sports

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Speaker 4: that could happen. Football, whatever you like. There needs they

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Speaker 4: need to have some just change, tweak the format a

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Speaker 4: bit so that people have properly interested in the outcome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're talking innovation, nothing should be off the table,

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Speaker 2: you know, just just yeah, just kick some ideas around.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 2: What do we at the touch Blacks and have a

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Speaker 2: game of touch as well? It's part of it all.

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Speaker 2: Why not, I mean, let's kick some ideas around and

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Speaker 2: see what flows to the top. Hey, speaking of ideas,

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Speaker 2: you've got a new a new I call it a show.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the right terminology is these days.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the young kids are calling it.

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Speaker 2: You've got you've got something new coming up.

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Speaker 4: It's really a chat show that's on on Sky starts

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Speaker 4: tomorrow night at seven thirty pm on Sky Sport one.

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Speaker 4: And it's called It's not Tiddley winks, So it's a

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Speaker 4: it's a reference to Tana Among's famous quote when he

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Speaker 4: was saying to the ref, you know, we're playing rugby here,

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Speaker 4: and it's really just having.

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Speaker 3: Players talking, sharing stories that they wouldn't normally share.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you and I have done so much, so

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Speaker 4: many events where we're m seeing and doing Q and

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Speaker 4: A on the couch in front of you know, live audiences,

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Speaker 4: and quite often those stories some.

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Speaker 3: Of them probably aren't for TV, but some of them are.

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Speaker 4: And that's where I sort of decided that this would

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Speaker 4: be a good idea to have a show where we've

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Speaker 4: got Stephen Donald kicking things off tomorrow night and he's fantastic.

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Speaker 4: We've got Shrey and Gillies Kaka coming up, a Piertow

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Speaker 4: Brothers really interesting, Steve Devine, Thomas the Tank Engine, Wardrome.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's Frank Buntz as an episode as well.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's going to be every week for the

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Speaker 4: next six weeks on Monday night on Sky and I'm

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Speaker 4: really excited just even just to do something I'm not on.

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Speaker 3: In front of camera. I'm just producing it.

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Speaker 4: And it's Rah Paul Muddy from Crowd Goes Wild and

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Speaker 4: John R Four are the hosts. But I think Beaver's

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Speaker 4: stories are really interesting, just even his sort of any

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Speaker 4: sibi vatu stories from Gauzoe mates at school right at

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Speaker 4: Wesley College and then and then we're teammates for years

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Speaker 4: and years, and you could listen to them all day,

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Speaker 4: but they are half an hour.

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Speaker 3: So that's my plug tune in.

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Speaker 2: Nice one, A good plug too, excellent to chat to you, mate,

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Speaker 2: All the best with Wayne and Wayne, with Ben and

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Speaker 2: way with Wayne and Rooney when you get when you

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Speaker 2: get down to Plymouth wherever that might be. Hey, great

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Speaker 2: to chat as always, mate. We'll catch up again next Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Cheers party, Thanks mate, Yeah, Rooney.

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Speaker 2: James mcconey from the UK off to see Wayne, Rooney

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Speaker 2: and Ben Wayne. No doubt we'll hear all about that

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Speaker 2: next week when James mccony joins us in his next

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