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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather duper Cy Ellen, Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Let's get connected news talks that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today.

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Speaker 2: Education Minister Erica Stanford on the new funding for Matt's Help.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Opened, Boss Michael Glading on Ryan Fox's Big When,

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Speaker 2: Wayne Brown on Auckland's manifesto and the woman of the

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Speaker 2: Moment herself, Nikola Willis After.

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Speaker 1: Six Heather duper Cy Ellen, there are.

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Speaker 2: A lot of remarkable things about that sea word column yesterday,

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Speaker 2: and one of them is that it is still up

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't seen this column, let me get you

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Speaker 2: up to speed on this. Yesterday Sunday Star Times columnist

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Speaker 2: Andrea Vance did something that I would venture no other

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Speaker 2: a minister of the Crown a sea word in the newspaper.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't write the sea word out, she wrote, see

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Speaker 2: dot dot dot. The subject of it was the gender

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Speaker 2: pay equity revamp. The minister was Nikola Willison. Andrea wrote,

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Speaker 2: turns out you can have it all so long as

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Speaker 2: you're prepared to be a c dot dot dot. Now

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Speaker 2: I don't even know how to start explaining to you

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Speaker 2: how wild it is that that happened yesterday, that Andrea

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Speaker 2: dropped the sea bomb in the Sunday Star Times. That

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Speaker 2: word is the second most banned word on radio. We

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Speaker 2: to some extent, I think we have the defense of

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Speaker 2: That is not what happens in newspapers, right. Words don't

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Speaker 2: just slip out onto the paper. You write it down,

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Speaker 2: you consider it, you rewrite it, you reread it. You

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Speaker 2: mean to say. It is nothing about that is in

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Speaker 2: the heat of the moment. And then you send it

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Speaker 2: to your editors, and your editors read it and they

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Speaker 2: look at it and they go, yep, that's okay. They

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a prude. I am not offended by swearing.

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Speaker 2: I swear myself, and I have also done exactly what

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Speaker 2: Andrew has done. I have said things about ministers that

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Speaker 2: we can hardly complain about anonymous trolls on social media

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Speaker 2: attacking our female politicians when our very own columnists do

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Speaker 2: reverse this, by the way, if you're not offended by

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Speaker 2: if you're like now, she had a coming to her,

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Speaker 2: reverse it, reverse it. Imagine it was Jacinda. Imagine that

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Speaker 2: a columnist had written this about Jinda. How much outrage

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Speaker 2: that would have caused, How canceled that person would have been.

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Speaker 2: There were other sea words we weren't allowed to say

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Speaker 2: about you, Cinda, Cindy was one of them. Communist was

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Speaker 2: another one. And if you said either of the people

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Speaker 2: hard to respect an argument about how Nicola Willis isn't

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Speaker 2: the most unfeminist way. Right, it uses the most gendered

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Speaker 2: I think Andrea Vants is a fantastic journalist and an

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Speaker 2: this was a mistake and it lets everyone down when

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Speaker 2: Nine two is the text number, standard text fees supply. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: We'll come back to this now. On another subject, was

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Speaker 7: Definitely? Yes, can't come soon enough.

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Speaker 2: Is it still happening in your part of town?

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Speaker 2: The major event was that the ones where they were

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Speaker 7: That's right, the police were underprepared basically for what was

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Speaker 2: How do you think this is going to work, Bernie?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the bit that I'm interested in is crushing

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Speaker 7: Well, it is their hobby and unfortunately, look the car enthusias. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Brilliant stuff, Hey, Bernie, thank you very much appreciated as

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Speaker 2: see what's going on there, because that all looks very interesting,

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Speaker 2: with me right now, hat pony, Helloheather. How big a

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Speaker 2: day is this for Ryan Fox?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: How booz does he? Right now?

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Speaker 8: I get the feeling that and well deserved too, that

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Speaker 8: he's going to have a hangover tomorrow as he drives

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Speaker 8: the PGA Championship, the second major of the year. That's

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Speaker 8: the first part of this Winning this tournament this morning

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Speaker 8: And the small matter of one point two million New

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Speaker 2: So I'd say that's.

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Speaker 8: A fairly good four days work, Heather for Ryan Fox?

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Speaker 2: What do you think it does to his head? Because

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Speaker 8: I can only go with the first of those two things,

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Speaker 8: feeling like a loser. That's right exactly, particularly on the

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Speaker 8: he did today. So yeah, let's hope that it is

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Speaker 8: one of those where you win one and then you

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Speaker 8: freedom of the exemption is the thing, Heather, you know,

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Speaker 8: just think it's a terrific day for him, and well

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Speaker 8: just being a very good kick.

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Speaker 2: Honey. If you don't have to get into the big

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Speaker 8: And also it means you don't have to go to

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Speaker 8: You can say, how I'll go there, there, there, and

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Speaker 8: those are the ones I want to go to because

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Speaker 8: they've got the most money. And then I might go there,

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Speaker 8: I might not go there. I'll go there, there, and there.

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Speaker 8: You work at your travel schedule. So much better for

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Speaker 8: Ryan Fox.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant, good for him. Okay, the Chiefs talk me about it.

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Speaker 1: Moving the big stories of the day forward, it's heather

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Speaker 10: That'd be yea.

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Speaker 1: Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's

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Speaker 5: News talks.

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Speaker 12: They'd be if this world.

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Speaker 10: May ramen seven day.

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Speaker 2: If there's row as a Mine, I take you, James

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Speaker 13: I take you.

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Speaker 14: Hither.

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Speaker 2: I think the teachers should be second on the list

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Speaker 12: Lord.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, if you're canceling a Herald subscription, you're canceling the

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Speaker 2: wrong subscription. So just listen, pay attention to the words.

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Speaker 2: It's not the Herald that's done at this time. This

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Speaker 1: The world wires. On news talks, they'd been drive.

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Speaker 2: Russian President Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump have called for

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Speaker 13: The President declared a national emergency and imposed terraff And

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Speaker 2: And finally, three men have been arrested after trying to

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Speaker 2: smuggle thousands of hermit crabs out of Japan. So what

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 2: Business, give you an update on our black market. And

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Speaker 2: out of Australia, Olipedison six PR Perth Life presenter Hayoli, Hey, Heather, Okay,

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Speaker 2: So how many people have put their hands up for

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Speaker 5: Well two and a half.

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Speaker 5: You'd imagine he's the front runner there.

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Speaker 12: Tomorrow when the Liberal Party meets, Wilson is considered one

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Speaker 5: But I'll tell you what fresh face. He looks good.

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Speaker 12: Put him on the ticket as leader or deputy, give

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Speaker 2: What do you think.

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Speaker 12: Probably, I think the difficulty most Australians don't really know

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Speaker 12: So Matt Canavan, he's putting up his hand to take

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Speaker 12: on David Little Proud. He will not win the leadership

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Speaker 12: of the National Party, but Matt is a hardcore right

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Speaker 12: member of the party. He argued on the Today Show

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Speaker 12: this morning that they were told to tone things down

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Speaker 12: in the lead up to the election because the Liberals

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Speaker 12: were getting a bit nervous. The relationship between the Nats

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Speaker 12: and the Libs is quite soad as we speak, Hetter

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Speaker 12: and Justiner Price has defected from the National Party room

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Speaker 12: to the Liberal Party room. She's even a potential candidate

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Speaker 12: for deputy leader tomorrow in the Liberal Party. That has

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Speaker 12: really soured those relations between the coalition partners.

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Speaker 5: And the fact that the Nats only now have.

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Speaker 12: Five senators, with just Enterprise going to the Libs, that

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Speaker 12: makes it four in the upper house of the Australian Parliament.

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Speaker 5: They're not actually qualifying now as.

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Speaker 12: A party, so they don't get all the resources and

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Speaker 12: the backroom staff to be able to do the work

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Speaker 12: that the coalition's junior partner's already had, So there is

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Speaker 12: some talk within the Nats they might just tell the

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Speaker 12: Libs to get stuffed and go and sit by themselves independently,

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Speaker 12: which is funnily enough, what happens on this side of

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Speaker 12: the country.

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Speaker 5: The Lives and the NATS in Western Australia are not

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Speaker 5: in coalition.

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Speaker 12: They're in an alliance and they always stress to us

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Speaker 12: in WA that they are very much their own parties

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Speaker 12: but will come together to support supply or they come

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Speaker 12: together with commonalities.

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Speaker 2: And what did you make of the cabinet lineup?

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Speaker 12: Well, I think it's really interesting that Tanya Plivsik has

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Speaker 12: been moved from Environment to Social Services because obviously Anthony

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Speaker 12: Abernezi doesn't like her and she doesn't like him, so

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Speaker 12: he's been able to move probably his biggest rival and threat,

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Speaker 12: Mark Butler, who's the Health Minister. He also takes on

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Speaker 12: the challenge of National Disability Insurance Scheme. That's a mammoth portfolio,

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Speaker 12: so good luck to Mark Butler. And I note Michelle

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Speaker 12: Rolins new Attorney General because Mark Drayfuson ed Hughsick were

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Speaker 12: dumped over the weekend. Ed Hughsick described the Deputy Prime

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Speaker 12: Minister Richard Marles as a factional assassin. So they may

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Speaker 12: have had a big victory last week here the heather,

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Speaker 12: and you think, oh, it's all hunky dory here, because

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Speaker 12: you've got so many backbenches and so many divisional divides

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Speaker 12: amongst the factions and the unions. There is a hell

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Speaker 12: of a lot of infighting going on in the Prime

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Speaker 12: Minister didn't come to the aid of two of his

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Speaker 12: most senior cabinet ministers. He said, up, that's up to

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Speaker 12: the factions, that's up to the caucus tos aside who

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Speaker 12: they put forward. So it's a big test already of

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Speaker 12: his leadership and it shows that Albo runs the roost

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Speaker 12: and he's maybe not prepared to fight for anybody or

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Speaker 12: save anybody at this stage.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Now, what's going on with this Ozzie who's in

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Speaker 2: the Jalen Iraq.

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Speaker 12: Well, he's about to die, they reckon because he's got

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Speaker 12: lung cancer. This is a terrible story. This man has

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Speaker 12: been behind bars in Iraq now for four years. Robert Peether,

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Speaker 12: he was put behind bars. The family claims over some

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Speaker 12: odd links between his company and the Iraqi governments. He

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Speaker 12: had to sign in Arabic a confession which he didn't understand.

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Speaker 12: They say four years ago. So the charges they argue

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Speaker 12: are trumped up. But he's been in bag that hospital.

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Speaker 12: They reckon he's got lung cancer while he has been

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Speaker 12: in prison, but he's not even being given now basic

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Speaker 12: help or assistance if he is battling lung cancer. His

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Speaker 12: family obviously raising the alarm. There hasn't been much from

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Speaker 12: the Australian government, to be honest. There's been a little

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Speaker 12: bit from the Irish government because they live in Ireland

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Speaker 12: as well, but not much from the Australian government. I've

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Speaker 12: got to say it's a bit of an unfortunately sleeper

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Speaker 12: issue in Australia at the moment, the plight of poor

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Speaker 12: Robert Peter. But when you dig into the story and

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Speaker 12: what he is going through, and the lack of representation

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Speaker 12: and the allegations here of what might have gone on

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Speaker 12: in the Iraqi justice system, you'd think that the Australian

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Speaker 12: government might want to intervene.

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Speaker 5: They are calling for his release.

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Speaker 12: Guard the Australian government calling for his release, but you

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Speaker 12: haven't Penny Wong on the front pages.

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Speaker 5: You haven't seen on the television screaming that from the rooftop.

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Speaker 12: So let's hope you get some help in the government's

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Speaker 12: able to provide some consular assistance at least to the

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Speaker 12: poor bloke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Hey, Ollie, thank you. Has always appreciated. Oliver Peterson,

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Speaker 2: six PR Perth Live presenter out of Australia. Okay, here's

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Speaker 2: the details on the old black market. So the World

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Speaker 2: Bank has taken a look at everybody's economies and made

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Speaker 2: an estimation on what proportion of our economy is a

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Speaker 2: black market and informal market. Informal market is a very

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Speaker 2: very nice way of saying cash is that's what we're

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Speaker 2: talking about there, right, feel like they need to just

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Speaker 2: strengthen up that language. Probably not as much as the

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Speaker 2: Sunday Star Times have strengthened up their language, but still

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Speaker 2: somewhere in the middle informal just doesn't quite tell you

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Speaker 2: what we're talking about anyway, So they reckon our black

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Speaker 2: market and informal economy is about fifty one billion dollars

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Speaker 2: a year and if we were to tax it, we

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Speaker 2: would be making thirteen billion dollars off that probably wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have to cancel the equity stuff, would we anyway? So

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Speaker 2: that's not that bad. That sounds massive, but it's not

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Speaker 2: that bad. It represents about eleven percent of our economy.

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Speaker 2: We're only ninth. Well, we're ninth best in the world,

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Speaker 2: the best of Switzerland. It's eight percent of their economy

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Speaker 2: that's informal, So eleven percent of ours doesn't sound that

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Speaker 2: bad at all. The worst is no surprise at all.

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Speaker 2: Zimbabwe at sixty percent, sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Pot politics was centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Jason Wool's political edi is with us now. Hi, Jason,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon, Heather. Okay, So Jevin mcskimming has he resigned

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Speaker 2: about the initial allegation or is there a second allegation?

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Speaker 16: Listen, it's it's actually quite unclear. We were trying to

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Speaker 16: get to the bottom of that at the post cabinet

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Speaker 16: press conference just a few moments ago, and the Prime

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Speaker 16: Minister was really not giving us much information at all.

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Speaker 16: For those that aren't caught up, Police Minister Mark Mitchell

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Speaker 16: today confirmed virus statement that mix Skimmings has resigned with

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Speaker 16: immediate effects. So he was on leave after being investigated,

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Speaker 16: but the nature of those investigations we can't report now.

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Speaker 16: Police Minister Mark Mark Mitchell also said the Mcskimmings had

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Speaker 16: resigned before he could be dismissed, and actually revealed that

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Speaker 16: the Prime Minister had been about to consider recommending to

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Speaker 16: the Governor General that Mcskimmings should be removed. So very

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Speaker 16: very serious. You don't hear about this happening all that

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Speaker 16: often within the halls of power. We tried to get

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Speaker 16: Chris Luxon on this in a myriad of other issues

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Speaker 16: to do with mc Skimmings, and this is essentially all

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Speaker 16: we could get from him.

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Speaker 11: Look, I'm aware of the resignation. I'm not actually going

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Speaker 11: to go into that given the ongoing police investigation that's

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Speaker 11: in place, as you would expect, and I've got no

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Speaker 11: further comment to say about.

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Speaker 16: That, right and try as we might, it was no

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Speaker 16: further comment to everything.

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 16: I'll tell you what he did have comment on and

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Speaker 16: he came absolutely ready to talk about this, which was

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Speaker 16: the way that Nicola Willis had been talked about in

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Speaker 16: the Post newspaper over the weekend. That's where Nicola Willis

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Speaker 16: was accused of quote girl math around the pay equity moves,

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Speaker 16: and within the story written by post Andrew Advance, it says,

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Speaker 16: turns out you can have it all so long as

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Speaker 16: you're prepared to be act dot dot and I'm sure

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Speaker 16: listeners can fill in the blanks there to women who

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Speaker 16: birth your kids, school your offspring, and wipe the quote

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Speaker 16: ass of your elderly patients while you stand on the

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Speaker 16: shoulders and earn your sixth figure taxpayer funded pay packet,

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Speaker 16: wrote Vance. And here's what Luckson had to say straight

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Speaker 16: out of the gate this afternoon.

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Speaker 11: I think it's been incredibly disappointing to see gender based

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Speaker 11: abuse over the course of the weekend. I saw again

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Speaker 11: a Labor Party promotion of a minister being portrayed as

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Speaker 11: a Nazi. I saw a senior media journalist talk about

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Speaker 11: the sea word and associate that with a minister. That

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Speaker 11: is utterly unacceptable to me. We in this place often

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Speaker 11: talk about, and I'm often asked questions about gendered abuse

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Speaker 11: and what's going on in Parliament for our female in piece,

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Speaker 11: and yet we have that conversation, the same people that

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Speaker 11: raise those issues ultimately end up continuing to prosecute the

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Speaker 11: gendered abuse that we're seeing.

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Speaker 16: So the Nazi comment was made in relation to a

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Speaker 16: Labor Facebook page that posted a photoshopped image of Brooke

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Speaker 16: van Velden in a Nazi uniform. And I think, you know,

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Speaker 16: it's absolutely fair and for the PM to make these comments,

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Speaker 16: and good and good on him for doing so. Attack

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Speaker 16: the policy, sure, but some of the attacks that have

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Speaker 16: been leveled against some of the women in government have

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Speaker 16: been frankly quite disgraceful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. To be fair to Labor, they have deleted this post,

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Speaker 2: haven't they, And they have said it was inappropriate, and

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Speaker 2: it seems like it was just some random branch up

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Speaker 2: north that did it.

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Speaker 16: It does, but I mean, if if she was on

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Speaker 16: the other foot, right, imagine if the Nats were in

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Speaker 16: opposition or something like this happened, you know, it would

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Speaker 16: be wall to wall coverage. So it's fair to points.

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Speaker 2: I just I think that the difference here is that

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Speaker 2: Labor has portrayed Brook van Velden as a Nazi, realized

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Speaker 2: they shouldn't have done it, taken it down and apologized,

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Speaker 2: whereas the Sunday Start Time has called a minister the

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Speaker 2: sea word, which is like, surely unprecedented, and then has

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Speaker 2: decided that that's all good.

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Speaker 16: Well, I mean, it was so unprecedented that Nicola Willis

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Speaker 16: got an entire five six hundred word right of which

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Speaker 16: it's been running all day.

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Speaker 2: Isn't this the interesting thing, right that it actually gave her,

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Speaker 2: First of all, for the first time, you actually sorry

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Speaker 2: for Nichola will This is not a person you feel

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Speaker 2: sorry for because she clearly is so capable, right, but

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Speaker 2: now you're actually like, Asia, I've got a bit of

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Speaker 2: sympathy and empathy for you and this this feels really harsh.

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Speaker 2: But also she gets to lay out the government's argument

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Speaker 2: for everybody to read, which is the very thing they

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Speaker 2: haven't been able to do properly. It gave her the

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Speaker 2: opportunity to actually explain why they're doing it.

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Speaker 16: And it's almost like in the House. You know, she

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Speaker 16: gave this speech the other day in the third Reading

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Speaker 16: that was essentially laying out the government's case for these changes,

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Speaker 16: which really fell upon deaf ears in terms of the

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Speaker 16: coverage when it was made. And then she has this

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Speaker 16: big article today and then you got the Prime Minister

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Speaker 16: coming out, So yeah, I think you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, now listen what's going on between Act and

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Speaker 2: national Why are they're fighting in public again?

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Speaker 16: Ah, well, you know there's two elements here. Agreed to

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Speaker 16: disagree clause when it comes over to the firearms registry.

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Speaker 2: That is fine.

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Speaker 16: That is absolutely how M and P works. That's exactly

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Speaker 16: what they should be doing, and there's a clause in

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Speaker 16: the agreement for a reason. What is really interesting is

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Speaker 16: what's happening around this social media ban in terms of

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Speaker 16: the ACT party still saying listen, I don't think this

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Speaker 16: is very well conceived law. But Luxon's still saying that

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Speaker 16: Actor coming around to changing their views on this, and

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Speaker 16: that postcab it was really brushing this off.

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Speaker 11: I thought, I mean ex supportive of a deeper look

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Speaker 11: into the subject, and that's a good thing.

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Speaker 16: We kept asking him questions about this, more specifically about

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Speaker 16: Seymour saying that ACT hasn't shifted its position on the

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Speaker 16: social media policy, but Luxon kept doubling down.

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Speaker 13: Look ex supportive of a deeper look into the issue.

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Speaker 11: That's a positive step.

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Speaker 16: So he's spinning it saying it's just them wanting to

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Speaker 16: have a deeper look into the issue. So we'll see

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Speaker 16: where they get to on this one. I mean, the

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Speaker 16: government seems to be Isa. The government NATS seem to

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Speaker 16: be looking to court some support from either Labor or

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Speaker 16: the Greens on this one. So Chris Hopkins is actually

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Speaker 16: just speaking to media now, so we'll have an update

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Speaker 16: on this one very soon.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Hey, Jason, thanks very much appreciated. Jason Wool's

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Speaker 2: political editor. Do you want me to explain to you?

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Speaker 2: Should I explain? I think I might. I'll explain to

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Speaker 2: you why I think we had that weird, weird announcement

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Speaker 2: from the government on social media last week, and then

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Speaker 2: another announcement from the governm and on social media at

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Speaker 2: the weekend. Let's get to that eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 17: Christopher Luckxon, Prime ministers with US ree China and the US.

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Speaker 17: If they cut some sort of deal and the US

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Speaker 17: and the UK have cut some sort of deal and

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Speaker 17: the UK gets some products into America, terraf free, we

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Speaker 17: have been lumped with ten percent universal, Would we change

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Speaker 17: our mind on trying to do something about that? Because

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Speaker 17: we're materially then worse off than we were.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, we don't want to be any worse off than

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Speaker 11: anybody else. I mean, the reality is the Brett's actually

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Speaker 11: had tariffs that were above ten percent on cars, as

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Speaker 11: you know, and stealing.

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Speaker 17: But they can get Rolls Royce in there for zero.

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Speaker 17: So if they're getting other stuff in for zero and

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Speaker 17: we're not getting stuff in for zero, we're losing, aren't we?

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Speaker 17: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: a Vida News Talk z B.

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Speaker 2: Hither I canceled my Sunday Star Time subscription this morning

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Speaker 2: after being a customer for many years. I found Andrew

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Speaker 2: of vns's column disturbing. Janet, thank you. We're going to

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Speaker 2: talk to the person that was called the sea bomb

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Speaker 2: after six o'clock. That's Nicola Wullis. Now, this is what's

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Speaker 2: happened with the social media thing, right, because you may

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Speaker 2: be like, why did this happen twice in one week?

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Speaker 2: Do I have deja vu? No, you don't. What happened

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Speaker 2: is what was it Wednesday or whatever? The government announced

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Speaker 2: that pathetic Members Bill was going to that we're going

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Speaker 2: to ban social media, but we're anything wrong Member's Bill

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Speaker 2: not really going to do anything about it, and then

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Speaker 2: come Sunday, all of a sudden, they're like, oh yeahna Erica,

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Speaker 2: the absolute queen of all the ministers is going to

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Speaker 2: be the we like, we're now we're going hard Like,

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Speaker 2: how did from Wednesday's pathetic little announcement to Erica's involved

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Speaker 2: on Sunday? How did that happen? So I think I

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Speaker 2: can answer the question for you. On Sunday, what happened

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Speaker 2: and what the government were at was the launch of

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Speaker 2: a charity called Before sixteen, which has some significant girl

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Speaker 2: bosses in it. To borrow some phrases out of Andrea

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Speaker 2: of Arnswer's column, some girl bosses are involved with this,

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Speaker 2: Cecilia Robinson from My Food Bag, Anna Mobra. You don't

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Speaker 2: need me to tell you who she is. And these

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Speaker 2: women like they have got money and they have got influence, right,

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Speaker 2: so they really want to see social media banned for

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Speaker 2: kids under sixteen, and they were going to make the

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Speaker 2: government's life difficult. Now, the government doesn't want to be

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Speaker 2: seen to be doing to be pushed to something, right,

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Speaker 2: charity launches and then sudden they're like, oh fine, okay,

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Speaker 2: we'll ban social media. So they made the announcement on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: this pathetic, little half hearted announcement to look like they

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Speaker 2: were doing something. Before the charity was launched, and they

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Speaker 2: knew that they were going to that the charity was

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Speaker 2: launching because it had kind of got a little bit

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Speaker 2: of public a little bit of media time in the

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Speaker 2: weeks in advance and stuff. So that's what's going on.

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Speaker 2: But they're basically being pushed to it by this particular charity.

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Speaker 2: And thank god for women who actually care about children

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Speaker 2: doing this anyway. The woman behind this, Eric Stanford, is

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Speaker 2: with us next on what she's doing for the Maths,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to talk to her a little bit

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Speaker 2: about the social media stuff as well, just to see

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Speaker 2: if we can get to the bottom of it. And

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Speaker 2: then David Seymour on why on Earth he and Chris

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Speaker 2: lux And keep on fighting in public news talks.

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Speaker 1: EB digging through the spen spence to find the real

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Speaker 1: story story. It's Heather Dup the on drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be good afternoon. The government is putting money into Maths,

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Speaker 2: almost one hundred million dollars over four years to help

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Speaker 2: kids who are falling behind education. Minister Erica Stanford is

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Speaker 2: with me. Hey, Erica, Hello, okay, so what's the money

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Speaker 2: actually for? What's it going to buy.

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Speaker 6: Well, there's three things and it's really closely aligned to

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Speaker 6: what we do in literacy, but it has never been

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Speaker 6: done in maths. The first thing is to make sure

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Speaker 6: that we are doing a light touch, low stakes check

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Speaker 6: in year two in terms of a skills maths skills

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Speaker 6: check for our very youngest learners to make sure that

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Speaker 6: they're on track, and when we see that they are not,

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Speaker 6: we're going to invest fifty six million dollars into what

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Speaker 6: we call Tier two. But that's just our lingo for

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Speaker 6: a maths intervention teacher who takes small groups to catch

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Speaker 6: them up with their learning. We do exactly the same

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Speaker 6: instructured literacy, now we're doing it in maths. So that's

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Speaker 6: the second part, that's all the way up to year six,

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Speaker 6: identifying those learners as early as we can to catch

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Speaker 6: them up, make them feel confident. And then the last

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Speaker 6: thing is we did a trial this year of our

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Speaker 6: year seven and eights who haven't had the benefit of

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Speaker 6: all of the resource and the new curriculum and all

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Speaker 6: the fancy structured maths, and we did a twelve week

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Speaker 6: trial of intensive four times a week tutoring to catch

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Speaker 6: them up with her learning. Early findings are really positive.

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Speaker 6: We're going to roll that out to thirty four thousand

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Speaker 6: students at start up next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this was the pilot that you guys announced earlier.

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Speaker 2: What is it actually found.

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Speaker 6: We haven't got the final results back yet, but the

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Speaker 6: early findings are showing that just after twenty hours worth

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Speaker 6: of tutoring, we're already seeing that they accelerating their learning.

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Speaker 6: We're seeing that they are getting confident, that they love it,

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Speaker 6: that they want to be there, that the teachers are

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Speaker 6: saying that it's translating into the classroom where they can

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Speaker 6: now be involved in the whole class teaching because they

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Speaker 6: understand the concept. So it's been massively positive across the board.

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Speaker 2: Do the teachers feel like they were able to teach

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Speaker 2: it though, because this has been one of the complaints

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Speaker 2: that teachers don't feel up to teaching.

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Speaker 6: The maths, Well, what we're doing is exactly what we

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Speaker 6: did with structured literacy. We will be providing kits and

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Speaker 6: we do the same for structured literacy in the form

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Speaker 6: of a small group TEA two kit, and we'll do

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Speaker 6: exactly the same for mass will provide professional learning and

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Speaker 6: development for those intervention teachers, same as we do for literacy,

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Speaker 6: and we'll be providing them with a kit so that

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Speaker 6: they can sit in front of the students and they

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Speaker 6: have all of the resource that they need to catch

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Speaker 6: them up with their learning. That's the quite a bit

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Speaker 6: of the funding is for these kits and the professional

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Speaker 6: learning and development, not just the teachers themselves.

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Speaker 2: Erica, listen, it's weird that you guys made two social

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Speaker 2: media announcements in one week, right, did you make the

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Speaker 2: in our last Wednesday whenever it was midweek in order

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Speaker 2: to get ahead of the launch of that charity.

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Speaker 6: No, Catherine, we had has been working on that members

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Speaker 6: bill for a long time. She's done a really good

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Speaker 6: job to get our caucus across the line and to

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Speaker 6: get the bill together. She's been working on it for

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Speaker 6: a really long time. It just happened that she had

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Speaker 6: it really had just been through caucus. She was excited

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Speaker 6: to get it out. She did a whole lot of

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Speaker 6: work and since then we have had overwhelming feedback, positive

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Speaker 6: feedback about it and the government. The Prime Minister feels

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Speaker 6: very strongly about this and always intended that, you know,

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Speaker 6: we'd love to take this on as government worker. Now

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Speaker 6: we are.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good stuff, Hey, Erica, thank you was always appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Erica Stanford Education Minister Heather Duplessy Ellen Actor National squabbling

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Speaker 2: in public again. This time they're fighting over the planned

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Speaker 2: ban on social media for under sixteens. What's happened is

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Speaker 2: actors rejected the NAT's members bill, calling it unworkable. But

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Speaker 2: this morning Chris Luxe and said David Seymour was coming

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Speaker 2: around to the idea.

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Speaker 11: I've sort of started to shift their position a little

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Speaker 11: bit on the weekend, which is good.

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Speaker 2: So let's just see where we get to with them.

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Speaker 11: There might still be a pathway through.

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Speaker 2: And then David Seymore said no, they're not shifting their position,

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Speaker 2: and he's with me. Now, Hello, David, Hey, Heather, Okay,

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Speaker 2: run me through it. What's your argument?

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Speaker 18: Well, first of all, I think it's a little unfair

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Speaker 18: to say with squabbling, we have two parties that have

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Speaker 18: different positions, and I actually think that's healthy. I think

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Speaker 18: it shows a political system is maturing. So far as

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Speaker 18: the substance of the policy. I just make the point

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Speaker 18: that you can believe that there's a very real problem

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Speaker 18: and that the internet is a place that is having

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Speaker 18: very bad effects on young people in New Zealand, and

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Speaker 18: yet be skeptical that something as simple as the band

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Speaker 18: that was proposed just last week is actually going to work.

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Speaker 18: And I think in a way, the fact that the

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Speaker 18: bill came out last Wednesday and by Sunday christ was saying, well, actually,

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Speaker 18: we need to do more work kind of proves the

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Speaker 18: point I'd be making for my money. I think one

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Speaker 18: of the most helpful things that could happen is that

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Speaker 18: the Education and Workforce Select Committee could open up a full, open,

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Speaker 18: transparent inquiry. Get all the technologists, the principles, the parents,

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Speaker 18: the young people themselves, the technologists, the child psychiatrists, actually

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Speaker 18: the people in other countries that are trying to do this,

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Speaker 18: and by the end of it, you might actually find

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Speaker 18: that you look at the whole thing quite differently and

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Speaker 18: have a much better solution with a lot more political consensus.

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Speaker 18: That would be the way to take the problem seriously.

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Speaker 2: If it is possible to technologically ban kids from social media,

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Speaker 2: do you support it?

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Speaker 18: If it's technologically possible to withdraw kids from the harms,

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Speaker 18: I'd certainly support that. But I think what we're going

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Speaker 18: to be clear about there's basically three types of harms.

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Speaker 18: There's inappropriate content, there's inappropriate contact, bullying, predatory behavior, and

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Speaker 18: so on. And then there's the nature of some platforms

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Speaker 18: that are purposely made to be addictive because just like

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Speaker 18: any other media or a radio show, for example, they're

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Speaker 18: competing for eyeballs and ears and as a result, they

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Speaker 18: make it very addictive. Well, what you're really asking, and

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Speaker 18: I don't want to sound like I'm avoiding the question,

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Speaker 18: but the question is can you ban them from certain platforms?

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Speaker 18: The question is can you create a solution that prevents

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Speaker 18: the various harms coming to your own things.

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Speaker 2: That's not what I'm asking as I'm quite deliberately asking

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Speaker 2: you this question. If it was possible to ban under sixteens,

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Speaker 2: like if it was technologically possible to ban them, would

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Speaker 2: you support that?

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Speaker 18: But I'm sorry, I'm not trying to avoid the question.

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Speaker 18: I just believe that you've got to ask yourself what

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Speaker 18: are you banning them from? From the entire internet, from

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Speaker 18: certain specific platforms from okay, so from specific platforms. Then

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Speaker 18: this is why the question I want answer to is

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Speaker 18: what haves next? Is this going to drive young people

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Speaker 18: into the dark web where they're going to do stuff

871
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Speaker 18: that's actually made even worse? Can you imagine and no

872
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Speaker 18: longer be prepared to talk to their parents about it

873
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Speaker 18: because they've been told that what they're doing is illegal.

874
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Speaker 18: So I just asked the question, what practically works and

875
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 18: what are the outcomes. I think that's the kind of

876
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Speaker 18: quality discussion we need if you, if indeed you believe

877
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Speaker 18: it's an important issue, which I do.

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Speaker 2: Okay, David listen, thank you very much, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: That's David Seymore, the act Party leader also Associate Education Minister.

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Speaker 2: I'm very happy to tell you Wayne Brown's going to

881
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Speaker 2: be on the show with us now. If you don't

882
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Speaker 2: recall what happened, is that particularly a bit of a

883
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Speaker 2: bugbear for some people, the co governance thing, And particular

884
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Speaker 2: part of this that's got on people's boobs is the

885
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Speaker 2: fact that they told us that they were coming into

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00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: government they were going to do the co governance thing

887
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Speaker 2: and then oh, look there's co governance happening in the

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Speaker 2: white targeted ranges. So anyway, apparently, according to Nikola Willis,

889
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Speaker 2: it's an Auckland council problem. So we said, ok, we'll

890
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Speaker 2: get the mayor on. I was like, nah, not coming

891
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Speaker 2: on the show, but he is coming on today because

892
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: he's coming on for a different reason. He's going to

893
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Speaker 2: talk to us about his new manifesto where he wants

894
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Speaker 2: to make Auckland the city that drags the whole country

895
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Speaker 2: out of recession. And also he wants the visitor bed tax.

896
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Speaker 2: Rarely wants that. Even though everybody said to him he's

897
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Speaker 2: not allowed to have it, he's still going on about it.

898
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Speaker 2: So anyway, we'll ask him about that. But we are

899
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Speaker 2: going to ask him about the co governance thing, aren't we.

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Speaker 2: So stand by for that because he's with us. In

901
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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes or thereabouts, quarter past.

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Speaker 19: Stim had a Ryan Ryan Fox fantastic Hello, Ernie been

903
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Speaker 19: the first playoff hole.

904
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's eighteen past five, and you know what that is.

905
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: Ryan Fox has become the ninth New Zealander to win

906
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Speaker 2: a PGA to a golf tournament. He won a three

907
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Speaker 2: way playoff to decide the Myrtle Beach Classic this morning

908
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: and the result of this is he now gets to

909
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Speaker 2: go to the PGA Championship next week and one point

910
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Speaker 2: two million dollars and that's New Zealand in prize money.

911
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: Michael Glading is the New Zealand Open Tournament director and

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Speaker 2: with us Hey Michael Hey, Heather, Heather, how are you?

913
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Speaker 2: How very well? How big is this?

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00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 14: It's massive, It's massive. It really is a game changer

915
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Speaker 14: for him. You know, since he's been on an the

916
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 14: American Tour, he's talked about how he's got to get

917
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Speaker 14: a win, and he's done that, and you know, he's

918
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 14: it's just fantastic for him. I mean, he was in

919
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 14: a position, I think a couple of years ago where

920
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 14: he could have gone and joined the Live. He was

921
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Speaker 14: certainly approached by Live, and he chose to go on

922
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Speaker 14: the PGA Tour because ever since he was a kid,

923
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Speaker 14: he wanted to play the PGA Tour and then wanted

924
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Speaker 14: to win on the PGA Tour and he's achieved that.

925
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Speaker 2: So it's very exciting. Michael, how about this? Did he

926
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Speaker 2: actually did he only catch up to first when he

927
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Speaker 2: was on the fifteenth.

928
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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's right, that's right. He was always one or

929
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 14: two behind, but he just never made a mistake the whole.

930
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Speaker 14: I mean, to have a round like he had today

931
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Speaker 14: where he didn't drop a shot in eighteen holes was fantastic,

932
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Speaker 14: And the day before he only had two pass the

933
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Speaker 14: day before because the round was full of drop shots

934
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Speaker 14: or birdies.

935
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Speaker 5: Or eagles.

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Speaker 14: So that was a phenomenal round. But today's round was

937
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 14: just a out of steady icye and when you need it,

938
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Speaker 14: get the birdies. That was pretty exciting.

939
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Speaker 2: So what's your your feeling Michael? Has he got the

940
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Speaker 2: break that he deserves and he will now be able

941
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Speaker 2: to absolutely, you know, dominate or is this just a

942
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: lucky break? How do you think he's going to go

943
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Speaker 2: in the PGA.

944
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Speaker 14: Oh, he's he's just got He's got noodles of talent.

945
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Speaker 14: I mean, you know, he's not what got what you'd

946
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Speaker 14: call the classic perfect golf swing, but he's just got

947
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 14: talent from head to toe, and he's got the attitude

948
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Speaker 14: that goes with it.

949
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Speaker 20: You know.

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Speaker 14: There he isn't a playoff for his biggest tournament of

951
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 14: his life and he's walking down the fairway chat chat chat,

952
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 14: and that's just so Ryan. He's just got a he's

953
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 14: got a unique and wonderful personality which allows him to

954
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 14: relax between shots. It allows he's just got the mental

955
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 14: and this game, at this level, it's really about being

956
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 14: mentally tough, and he's he's Whilst he's got a lexa

957
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 14: lexadaisical look about him, he's actually mentally incredibly tough, and

958
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 14: he's proven that again today. It's a I think it's

959
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 14: a it's a well deserved and something that. Look, he's been,

960
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 14: I have been. I keep in touch with them, and

961
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Speaker 14: over the last few weeks you've been saying, my game's closed,

962
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 14: my games closed, my game's close. So you know he's

963
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 14: now it's more than close and he got through the door.

964
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Speaker 2: How good, Hey, Michael, thank you appreciate it. Michael Glading,

965
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Speaker 2: New Zealand Open Tournament Director. My game is not close.

966
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Speaker 2: I tell you that. I tell you something for nothing. Heather.

967
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: David Seymour sounded exactly like Mark Robinson last Friday. Your

968
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: question was too hard, so we tried to flip it

969
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 2: around and ask his own questions. Ugh, Heather, David Seymour

970
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: can't make any call or comment without having a child.

971
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Speaker 2: He lives in the utopian world that every adult has

972
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Speaker 2: pre children. Listen, I really hate doing that. I hate

973
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: doing that thing where you go you don't get excale

974
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: on this, or you don't understand because you don't have children.

975
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Speaker 2: But there is a little bit of truth in that.

976
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: In there, there is a little bit of truth in

977
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: that when you want, once you've had the kids, then

978
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, your perspective on things changes massively, doesn't it.

979
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Speaker 2: And it's no longer about principle with the children. It's

980
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 2: just about how I've got to keep these little dudes

981
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Speaker 2: safe as much as possible. Heather David Seamore weasel words.

982
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: This is a subject where goods okay, we don't have

983
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: to wait for perfect on the social media ban. Here

984
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: that David Seymour has totally misread the room by serving

985
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: up a stubborn, pure politicing over the social media policy move.

986
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: I've got a lot of time for David, I really do.

987
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: I think he's a very, very, very bright guy, but

988
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: I think that he has misread the room on this one. Anyway,

989
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: we'll come back to it shortly. A five twenty two.

990
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive

991
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

992
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: There'd be five twenty four best three words I've heard

993
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: anyone in government say about banning kids from using the

994
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: social media. It is possible, That's what Erica Stanford said

995
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 2: this morning. It is possible. Of course, it's possible. Look,

996
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: I respect the arguments and I respect the questions about weather.

997
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 2: It's technically possible. It's a valid concern, and it's probably

998
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: going to be the hardest thing about this to nail

999
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: down if we're going to go ahead with the ban.

1000
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: But Erica is right, it is possible. I mean, you

1001
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: want to tell me that Facebook and Instagram can figure

1002
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: out that I am a forty year old mum of

1003
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: kids living in Auckland and target ads at me. You

1004
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: want to tell me that they can figure out that

1005
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: I've just been talking about wanting to buy a ute

1006
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, I've just got these ute

1007
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: ads coming at me. You want to tell me that

1008
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 2: they can do that. But they cannot figure out that

1009
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: the person using social media on that device as a

1010
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: sixteen year old. Of course they can. They know they

1011
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: know exactly how old that person is based on what

1012
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: they're doing on the internet. They just don't want to

1013
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: They don't want to tell you that they know how

1014
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: to do that because they want to be able to

1015
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: target these kids, and they do target these kids directly

1016
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: for their age and it makes the money. But they

1017
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 2: want you to believe that they cannot target these kids

1018
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: and they cannot figure out how old these kids are

1019
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: just read a little bit about it. It doesn't take

1020
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: you a very long time. There are multiple ways that

1021
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 2: you can figure out that. They can figure out how

1022
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: old the kids are. They can require that we provide ID,

1023
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: and then they can hold our ID. Now that's not

1024
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 2: actually the perfect out None of this is going to

1025
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: be perfect. It's not the perfect out thing outcome because

1026
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: I don't trust Facebook with my ID, right, But maybe

1027
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: that's what we have to do. Maybe we have to

1028
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: sacrifice a little bit of our privacy for the sake

1029
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: of the kids. Or maybe what we can do is

1030
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: we can verify ID through a third party, a completely

1031
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: different outfit who goes yep, actually, heatherre is old enough

1032
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: to be on the social media Facebook, you're allowed to

1033
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: let her on. You can do that. You can set

1034
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: up a system like that if you want to trade off.

1035
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 2: Of course, this is going to be costs involved in

1036
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: all kinds of other things. There will be trade offs everywhere.

1037
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: But there are multiple ways that we can do this.

1038
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: I can tell you though, got a bit of argument

1039
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: for got a bit of time for that argument. I

1040
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: can tell you the argument I have no time for,

1041
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: which is the one where they go, oh, it's the

1042
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: advocation of parental responsibility. Yeah, it's up to the parents,

1043
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: not the government to ban it. No no, no, no,

1044
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: hang on a tick. Think of social media like cigis

1045
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: or alcohol. Sigis and alcohol are damaging to our bodies,

1046
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: but social media is equally damaging to your brain.

1047
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 6: Right.

1048
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: We don't leave the cities in alcohol up to the parents.

1049
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: We require the people peddling the cigis and alcohol to

1050
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: actually check that the kids are old enough, and the

1051
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: onus is on them, and we need to do the

1052
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: same thing with the social media. We must require the

1053
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 2: people peddling social media, which is harmful to our children,

1054
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: to check that our children are old enough to be

1055
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: using it, just like we do with boos and siggi's.

1056
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: It is possible. It is possible if we think it

1057
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: is important enough.

1058
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 5: And I do ever do for c Ellen.

1059
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: Right after the party, very sad to say, after the

1060
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: party has lost at the baftis, I was very excited.

1061
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: I was very excited for them at the baft Oh,

1062
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 2: there's a chance. But then I was informed there was

1063
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 2: no chance at all because they were up against Showgun. Now, Showgun,

1064
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 2: if you are to wear, absolutely won every single Emmy

1065
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: that there was available to Showgun when the Emmys were

1066
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: on the other day, so it was after the party.

1067
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 2: Was always up against it. If you don't know what

1068
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: I am talking about, let me tell you. I know

1069
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 2: what you're doing tonight. You're gonna go after seven o'clock

1070
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 2: and the show is finished. You're gonna go on TV

1071
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: and Z Plus and you're gonna watch after the party.

1072
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: You will not regret it. It is amazing Robin Malcolm

1073
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: and actually, did you know that the bloken after the

1074
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: party is Scottish guys your boyfriend in real life. So

1075
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: there's that, So enjoy it. They didn't. It wasn't good

1076
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 2: enough to take out Showgun, but jeez, it was good

1077
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 2: to make you proud of Kiwi Productions. News is next.

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Speaker 1: Zie on the iHeart app and in your car on

1079
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: your drive home, it's Hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected News talk sa'd be.

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Speaker 8: I can't remember everything we said.

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Speaker 2: We said Nichola Willis is going to be with us

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Speaker 2: after six o'clock. Oh, very interesting. Turns out there's a

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Speaker 2: I might run you actually, we'll run you through this

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Speaker 2: before six o'clock, but Nicola before Adrian I'm obsessed with

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Speaker 2: Adrian quitting, by the way, because until i know why

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Speaker 2: Adrian ll quit, I feel like I'm never gonna let

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Speaker 2: it go. But I'll have to at some point it

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Speaker 2: will just become tedious. But anyway, so it turns out

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Speaker 2: that Nicola asked him for multiple meetings about the bank's

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Speaker 2: capital requirements and then anyway, it's all getting very suspicious.

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Speaker 2: Let me run you through it. We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: to her later. It's twenty four away from six now

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Speaker 2: to Auckland. Auckland's Mayor Wayne Brown reckon a supercharged Auckland

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Speaker 2: city can lead New Zealand out of recession. He's updated

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Speaker 2: his manifesto for the city and he's still calling for

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Speaker 2: a bed tax. This's have a chat to him. Hey Wayne, Hello, Heather,

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Speaker 2: You're not going to get a bed tax, so are you?

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Speaker 9: Just wait and see what hasn't it been ruled out.

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Speaker 9: It's been ruled out, just immediately, but just roll time

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Speaker 9: forward in the event, which is not absolutely sure that

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Speaker 9: I've become the mirror again. It will then be one

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Speaker 9: year before they have to get re elected. And we've

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Speaker 9: just had six two thirds of the organisms thinking it's

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Speaker 9: a hell of a good idea so it can get

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Speaker 9: some funds to watch big events. And the hotel he

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Speaker 9: is up here think it's a good idea, and they

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Speaker 9: might just have to thinking, dear, have a good idea

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Speaker 9: if we got re elected as well. So who knows

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Speaker 9: what are you going to spend? It ain't over till

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Speaker 9: it's over.

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Speaker 2: What do you spend the bed tax money on? Is

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Speaker 2: it about drawing attracting events here?

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Speaker 9: Yeah? And also it's a events. The only three places

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Speaker 9: that really want it desperately are here, Queenstown and Roda.

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Speaker 9: And Queenstown needs it to put up some cheap accommodation

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Speaker 9: because the people who work on low wages can't afford

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Speaker 9: to live there. And rot probably needs it for toilets

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Speaker 9: and security. And we need it for big events because

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Speaker 9: this is probably the only place that gets big events.

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Speaker 9: But you know, when some of those big events are

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Speaker 9: real big stars, they want three or four million just

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Speaker 9: to show up. Well we are and we will do.

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Speaker 9: And Eron says, why don't you do like Sydney will

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Speaker 9: in those other places, Well, they all got a bed tax.

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Speaker 9: It's called a bed night levy. Because if you say

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Speaker 9: that we're tax act, fly into a rage of disembellment.

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Speaker 2: Hey listen, why do you support this co governance business

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Speaker 2: in the White Targeting Ranges?

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Speaker 9: Well, I don't necessarily. It's actually a local board issue.

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Speaker 2: How old didn't you vote for it?

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Speaker 9: No, they didn't come before the council. We have local

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Speaker 9: boards for doing a local board things. So I stay

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Speaker 9: out of time.

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Speaker 2: Before the Transport committee. And aren't you on that?

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Speaker 9: I'm on most of them. Maybe I didn't go to that,

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Speaker 9: but it's not something else personally voted at.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Wayne, and tell me what is your position

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Speaker 2: on this plan for the White targeting ranges? Do you

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Speaker 2: support it or will you oppose it?

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Speaker 9: Well, I don't know enough about it to have a

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Speaker 9: strong view on that, to be honest at the moment.

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Speaker 8: So I've got really.

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Speaker 9: Strong views on fixing the transport, fixing the chair, temporary

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Speaker 9: traffic management, changing the transit visa for Chinese people that

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Speaker 9: come here can walk in chew gum.

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Speaker 2: You're a smart guy. I've got strong views and all

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Speaker 2: this stuff. And I've read about this as well. How

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Speaker 2: can I know more about this than you? That's not on?

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Speaker 9: Well, you're probably more interested in than about that. We've

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Speaker 9: got a parking formed a Parks committee and put Ken

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Speaker 9: Turner on it as the chair, and he's deeply involved

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Speaker 9: in why to arranges things, and so I leave it

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Speaker 9: up for him. Really, so it's called, you know, letting

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Speaker 9: people below him make some decisions.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you're okay, okay, So let's just get this straight.

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Speaker 2: If it was to go to a co governance model,

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Speaker 2: which Richard Hill says can at some stage become actual voting,

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Speaker 2: which is completely delegated to this co governance set up,

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Speaker 2: this committee, if it goes to that, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: thirty five percent of the park is shut down and

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of walks a shut down. You're okay

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Speaker 2: with that? As the mayor, are you?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 9: Not okay with thirty five percent of the park shut down.

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Speaker 9: But I don't know if that's exactly what's.

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Speaker 2: Involved, well or not, isn't it?

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Speaker 9: I mean maybe right about it? Well some much, just

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Speaker 9: fire people up. I've got tomorrow and on Wednesday night,

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Speaker 9: I'm risking my going to the Saint Mary's Bay Association,

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Speaker 9: who are hot under the color about planning change seventy

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Speaker 9: fate and it's effect on character buildings. I live there,

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Speaker 9: So I'm going to go to that, and it's my

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Speaker 9: I don't expect Ken Turners to know anything about that

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Speaker 9: because he lives out in the wit Tackeries, and so

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Speaker 9: I let him worry about those things. There's a lot

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Speaker 9: of needs to worry about in Orgland. I mean, Wayne, more,

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Speaker 9: I would say more important. My big thing here, for instance,

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Speaker 9: is with I'm having a big push on lifting the

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Speaker 9: economic performance of here, particularly with tech Week coming up,

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Speaker 9: and I'm hoping that you want to interview me during

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Speaker 9: tech Week because I'm going to do a lot about

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Speaker 9: lifting the innovation income out for Aukrands because it's not

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Speaker 9: as haigh as it should be. And that's a massive,

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Speaker 9: multi billion dollar thing rather than something or other. It's

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Speaker 9: Ken Turner's all over and he lives in the y Tackery,

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Speaker 9: So why would I bother interfering with what he's doing

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Speaker 9: on that one?

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Speaker 2: Maybe because you're the mayor. Anyway, Wayne, listen, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Wayne Brown, Auckland's mayor.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your

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Speaker 1: what of a kind?

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Speaker 19: Laura?

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Speaker 2: Can you get Ken Turner on? Please?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Who's Ken Turner? Is he a counselor. Is he okay, Ken,

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Speaker 2: you're coming on the show mate, You've just you've been

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Speaker 2: dumped in it by the mayor. The huddles with me

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Speaker 2: right now. We've got Trish Shurson Shirson, Willis Power and

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Speaker 2: Joseph Gani, CEO of child Fun. Hello you too, Cureder?

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Speaker 18: Hello?

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Speaker 2: Well what a time? Have you ever heard of Ken Turner?

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Speaker 15: There?

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Speaker 3: Trish?

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Speaker 21: I just think Ken has just booked a one way

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Speaker 21: ticket to Brisbane.

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Speaker 2: Last heard of Ken? Ken, They're very important. Now he's

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Speaker 2: going to hide.

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Speaker 11: We got him.

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Speaker 2: He's got a bit on apparently by the sounds of things. Jeez.

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Speaker 2: But the mayor's busy, Trish, because he's going to the

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Speaker 2: Saint Mary's Bay meeting. Did you I did? I did

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Speaker 2: hear that?

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Speaker 3: I did hear that?

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Speaker 22: Because it wasn't the most energized interview I've heard with

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Speaker 22: the mayor.

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Speaker 21: He does always sound like he's about to get really

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Speaker 21: grumpy with you and tell you to go and do

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Speaker 21: the dishes.

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Speaker 2: I don't fee It's not very often will you have

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Speaker 2: somebody in public office sort of, you know, making making

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Speaker 2: a big deal about the fact that they don't know something.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 2: Normally they you know, well.

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Speaker 21: That's his appeal actually is that he kind of, you know,

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Speaker 21: honestly says, oh, I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Was that thing happening in Auckland? Don't care? Okay, well

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Speaker 2: this is novel. I really appreciate that. Okay, Josie, what

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Speaker 2: did you make of Andrea Vance calling nikolauillis the sea word?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 21: I mean, Andrea Vance is one of our best columnists

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Speaker 21: in the country. In fact, I think I came a

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Speaker 21: runner up to her as best columnists of the year

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Speaker 21: one time and announced that to Keir Starmer and the

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Speaker 21: Prime Minister of Norway when I was doing a column

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Speaker 21: with them where I had to introduce myself and I said,

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Speaker 21: I'm New Zealand's second best columnist. So yeah, she's bloody good.

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Speaker 2: This is weird.

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Speaker 21: I mean, look, the principle of using gender based language

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Speaker 21: as not a good thing has to apply both to

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Speaker 21: women and the left and women of the right right.

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Speaker 21: So it's not okay when Mark Richardson suddenly asked new

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Speaker 21: Prime Minister Disindra a Durn that you can take time

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Speaker 21: off for a baby, when you don't ask a man

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Speaker 21: of a similar age if he's going to take time

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Speaker 21: off for a baby, right, So if it's not okay

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Speaker 21: for that, it's also not okay for this. And I

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Speaker 21: think it's a weird thing that Andrew has done because

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Speaker 21: I think she's making a really important point, the point

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Speaker 21: she's trying to make.

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Speaker 2: No, don't tell me the point she's trying to make,

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Speaker 2: because I didn't make the point she's trying to make

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Speaker 2: because I got to the sea woe.

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Speaker 21: That's the whole point, right, is that now we're talking

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Speaker 21: about the sea word and whether spreading someone girl Boss

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Speaker 21: and girl mass is a bit anti woman. But what

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Speaker 21: I don't I'm not going to rehearse the argument that

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Speaker 21: because I think she is making a good point about

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Speaker 21: the getting rid of the gender pay legislation. But she's trying.

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Speaker 21: What she was trying to do, I think was to

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Speaker 21: say that when when high paid woman, I woman politicians

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Speaker 21: attack low paid woman in low paid jobs, it's nastier

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Speaker 21: than if men did it. I'm not sure that stacks

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Speaker 21: up as an argument. I think when whensogynistic, I think

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Speaker 21: it's just a woman hating a war. That's why she

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Speaker 21: was trying to position it like that, to say, oh,

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Speaker 21: these high paid female politicians are attacking low paid woman

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Speaker 21: pay equity. I get the point she's making. I actually

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Speaker 21: agree with her, but I don't think you get away

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Speaker 21: with making that and saying, oh, that's not gender based.

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Speaker 21: So it's difficult.

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Speaker 2: All right, Listen, Tricia, I want you to take but

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Speaker 2: we'll get it. After the breakout sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary

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Speaker 1: results with unparalleled reach.

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Speaker 2: Tricius and Josephganni are hudle this evening, right, Trish, what

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Speaker 2: do you think?

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Speaker 22: Well, I've go ahead to look back. The only other

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Speaker 22: example I can find in mainstream media that comes close

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Speaker 22: to this was way back in twenty eleven where there

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Speaker 22: was an incident and it was actually an emails between

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Speaker 22: columnist then for the Sunday Star Time, Steve Braunius, and

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Speaker 22: he was corresponding over email to a female police prosecutor

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Speaker 22: who had emailed him about his column, and in his

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Speaker 22: response he used the C word and that led ultimately

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Speaker 22: to the termination of his column in the Sunday Star Times. Now,

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Speaker 22: I'm not at all suggesting that in this case. I'm

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Speaker 22: just saying this is how far I had to look

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Speaker 22: back to find something similar. I agree with all the

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Speaker 22: points you've made, and in particular, I think it's just

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Speaker 22: that the shock value outweighs and dilutes the message that

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Speaker 22: was you know that Andrea was trying to put forward

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Speaker 22: in the article. So it is it is unprecedented in

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Speaker 22: my view, to have been put in this way, and

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Speaker 22: I think what it does also do is call into

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Speaker 22: question really where the bar is shifting between you know,

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Speaker 22: what you might expect an online comment which is pretty loose,

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Speaker 22: and what you would expect in the mainstream media, and

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Speaker 22: I would expect them to uphold higher standards. I think

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Speaker 22: the other thing that I had a look at that's

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Speaker 22: just interesting. On Saturday I read the column on this

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Speaker 22: from Thomas Coglin in The Herald and it was a

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Speaker 22: very useful piece in my view of political analysis on this.

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Speaker 22: It was un a motive and essentially it pulled out

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Speaker 22: a couple of interesting points, one of which was the

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Speaker 22: fact that a male prime minister had left the House

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Speaker 22: on Wednesday, didn't take questions on this in the House,

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Speaker 22: and in fact had left his female deputy leader, and

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Speaker 22: Nikola Willis not only to front on this, but then

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Speaker 22: Willis popped up in a surprise move and gave a.

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Speaker 2: Speech on the bill.

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Speaker 22: During I think it's third reading, and his analysis on

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Speaker 22: that was about the fact that this has been very

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Speaker 22: difficult for National Party backbenches. It was landed on them

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Speaker 22: under urgency and they're the ones facing their heat in

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Speaker 22: the electrics.

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Speaker 2: So when I weigh up the two as.

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Speaker 22: An interested, perfect person interested in politics, I got more

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Speaker 22: out of Thomas's piece than I did out of Andrews,

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Speaker 22: because when I read the sea word, and I have

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Speaker 22: to admit I don't live a life of blameless excellence.

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Speaker 22: I do use the sea word from time to time,

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Speaker 22: but that stopped me from really getting to that.

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Speaker 2: I did, which is that my eyes did those little

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Speaker 2: emoji circle things and then I just kind of went cross.

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Speaker 21: When it's quagling about the issue, you know, which is

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Speaker 21: that you're you right, Trish. The problem here is that

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Speaker 21: it's been rushed through an urgency without any kind of

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Speaker 21: consultation or regulatory analysis because they've got to get the

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Speaker 21: billions of dollars out of the budget before Budget Day

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Speaker 21: next week. That's what's really happened. And so you know,

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Speaker 21: Andrew is making absolutely the right point, but we're all

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Speaker 21: talking about girl boss and girl maths and you know

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Speaker 21: which is patronizing?

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Speaker 15: Really?

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Speaker 2: Oh look, do you know what I think the worst

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Speaker 2: bit about it is that we all complain about how

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Speaker 2: social media is just so icky. It's just not nice

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Speaker 2: to see our newspapers go into the same place, right,

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Speaker 2: I just want us to be a little bit more

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Speaker 2: grown up, really quickly. What did you think, Josie of

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Speaker 2: the social media thing? Did that launched that charity on Sunday?

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Speaker 2: Did that go some way to explaining why National had

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Speaker 2: had announced that really weird little members bill earlier in

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Speaker 2: the week.

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Speaker 22: I don't know.

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Speaker 21: And I heard Erica Stamford say, no, no, we've got it.

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Speaker 21: We had an emotion, and it probably did because you

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Speaker 21: think about it, they went into the election campaign.

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Speaker 2: And then they announced it because they knew this thing

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Speaker 2: was coming.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I think that. I think banning stuff is easy.

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Speaker 21: And we used to say that about labor government banning

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Speaker 21: things that don't like, and I think the same is

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Speaker 21: true here. It feels like a quick fix, and you go, yep,

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Speaker 21: I'm a parent, I want to ban it. But actually

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Speaker 21: the bigger problem is social media generally, right, and there's

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Speaker 21: a lot of things you can do about social media.

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Speaker 21: You can remove anonymity for a start. You have to

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Speaker 21: be a real person to register. Then you can be

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Speaker 21: you know, you know, have a handle of girl Boss

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Speaker 21: if you want, but you but you've got to prove.

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Speaker 2: You're a real person.

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Speaker 21: And I think that that's regardless of age. Actually, So

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Speaker 21: there's a whole bunch of things that we can do

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Speaker 21: for everyone to make it better for everybody. Yeah, I

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Speaker 21: mean I just think you know, if you're trying to

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Speaker 21: go ban it, you're going to ban Spotify.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a problem with the ban on kids

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Speaker 2: under eighteen smoking Sigi?

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Speaker 21: So smoking cigarettes?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 21: But that but are you going to say, then, Heather

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Speaker 21: that YouTube Spotify where kids are sharing playlists, YouTube, weather

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Speaker 21: actually learning a lot of stuff, and YouTube manages not.

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Speaker 2: To do the all of these social media You have

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Speaker 2: to be clear about what'scial media.

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Speaker 21: Per So that's what you've got to do. Enough cigarettes, right,

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Speaker 21: that's the number of it. Yeah, because if you're if

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Speaker 21: you're defining social.

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Speaker 2: Media, define social media. Jonathan Hate has defined social media

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Speaker 2: in his book yep.

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Speaker 21: But but does it also include Spotify? Does it good YouTube?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 2: I don't think it includes YouTube.

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Speaker 21: Yes, So that's what you have to clarify first, that's

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Speaker 21: I think the point David Seymour was trying to make.

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Speaker 2: Thank God for interpreting that robot to me. OK.

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Speaker 22: I think that if you look at political bands, often

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Speaker 22: they are thrown up as great headlines, as Josie said

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Speaker 22: to think of the oil and gas band, think of

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Speaker 22: the foreign home by a band. They're thrown up as

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Speaker 22: great headlines. But in this instance, I do think that

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Speaker 22: Seymour has a point about legislation that is not properly

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Speaker 22: where their problem statement is not properly defined, and that

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Speaker 22: means that the solution is not probably members bill.

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Speaker 2: The members bill is crappy, but that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 2: the idea is crappy, does it tru No, No, And.

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Speaker 22: That's exactly my point. So I think, you know, when

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Speaker 22: the members bill popped up on Wednesday, I actually thought

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Speaker 22: that it was a little bit disingenuous of Luxen and

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Speaker 22: the government making a big deal of it because it's

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Speaker 22: a member's bill.

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Speaker 3: It was in the hat.

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Speaker 22: Who knew if anything was going to happen.

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Speaker 2: If they are.

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Speaker 22: Really serious about this, there is a huge amount of

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Speaker 22: work to get this done and make sure it's effective.

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Speaker 2: You have to be so fast I know.

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Speaker 21: Can I make one real quick Yes, social media is

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Speaker 21: protected by a thing called Section two thirty protection. Banks

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Speaker 21: are protected by the same thing. I they're not responsible

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Speaker 21: for how the money was acquired. That's in their bank vaults.

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Speaker 21: Same with social media. They're not legally responsible if you

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Speaker 21: do harmful contents. On the point is maybe we need

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Speaker 21: to remove that protection.

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Speaker 2: I love that. Thank you guys, appreciate it. That's our

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Speaker 2: heart all this evening. Seven away from.

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Speaker 1: Six, it's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by News Talks.

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Speaker 23: That'd be.

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Speaker 18: The time.

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Speaker 2: It's four away from six, Heather, Thank you to Wayne

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Speaker 2: very much for putting that in perspective. Wayne did put

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Speaker 2: that in perspective as to how much he cares. Don't

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Speaker 2: go to Wayne and complain if if your beach is

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Speaker 2: being flooded by Pope. By the way, Wayne will be like, oh, nah,

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Speaker 2: don't care. That's his approach.

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Speaker 5: Nah, not more important.

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Speaker 2: Thing's got to go to my Saint Mary's Bay meeting anyway.

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Speaker 2: So it appears that this came up, this particular thing.

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Speaker 2: Can somebody please write this down and pass us to Wayne.

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Speaker 2: If you're listening, Ken, if you're listening, can you write

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Speaker 2: this down and pass us to Wayne? On the tenth

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Speaker 2: of December last year at ten o'clock the Policy and

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Speaker 2: Planning at ten sorry, ten oh two am, let's be specific,

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Speaker 2: the Policy and Planning Committee, which was meeting in the

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Speaker 2: reception lounge at the Auckland Town Hall, had a meeting

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Speaker 2: about this and they passed this and he was there

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Speaker 2: well the meeting. The meeting convened at ten oh two.

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Speaker 2: It appears that he came into the meeting at one

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Speaker 2: forty eight and he was there when it was passed

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Speaker 2: and there was no disagreement, therefore he supported it. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: don't worry. Have we got the bit in with Ken.

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Speaker 2: We're already called Ken. We're on to Ken. We've sent

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Speaker 2: an email to Ken. So anyway, maybe Ken will come

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01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 2: on at some stage because he's got the delegated power. Listen,

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Speaker 2: you know the little green bins that you find all

1449
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: you've got the green bins. You know you've gotta put

1450
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 2: all your organically pearly carrots into the green bin. Don't

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01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 2: put the plastic in. You know, I love them, don't we. Anyway,

1452
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 2: somebody's done the numbers on how much though you are.

1453
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: It is going to blow your mind what a waste

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Speaker 2: of money they are. I'm going to run you through

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Speaker 2: it shortly. But Nikola willis woman of the moment with

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Speaker 2: us next Newstalks there.

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Speaker 1: Be keeping track of where the money is flowing. The

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Speaker 1: Business hour with Hither Duti, cle of Dan's, Blair's insurance

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Speaker 1: and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future.

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Speaker 12: News talks that be.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up for the next hour, Shane Soley

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Speaker 2: is going to talk us through how we think the

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Speaker 2: China US trade talks went. ABC Business Sales on whether

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Speaker 2: small businesses actually can repay those COVID loans which are

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Speaker 2: coming to you. And Gavin Gray is with us out

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Speaker 2: of the UK seven par six and Nikola Willis Finance

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Speaker 2: Ministers with US. Now, Hi, Nikola, Hi, So did you

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Speaker 2: read the Sunday Star Times first or did somebody tell

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Speaker 2: you what was in there?

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Speaker 3: I read it first. I read all my news alerts

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Speaker 3: diligently on a Sunday morning. That one was surprising. I

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Speaker 3: hadn't expected that.

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Speaker 2: No, And how do you feel about it?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, water off a duck's back. Really, the

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Speaker 3: unfortunate reality of political life, as people call your names

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Speaker 3: and say mean things. But I always think about other

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Speaker 3: young women who I want to go into politics, and

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Speaker 3: I don't want them to think that it's okay to

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Speaker 3: have their agenda weaponized against them. And I don't want

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Speaker 3: any young woman to think there's a difference between girl

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Speaker 3: maths and boy maths. It's called maths.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing that's surprised I think. I mean,

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Speaker 2: apart from the gendered put down, which was pretty remarkable

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Speaker 2: to read in print. But apart from that, that was

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Speaker 2: the thing that really surprised me is that we had

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Speaker 2: a woman saying that another woman cannot do maths because

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Speaker 2: she is a woman. That's bizarre, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it has been bizarre, and it's not what you'd

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Speaker 3: expect to see in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Tell me, tell me what you know from this, Nikola.

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Speaker 2: Do you want this column taken back? Do you want

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Speaker 2: an apology? What do you want?

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Speaker 3: I don't want it to be about me. I want

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Speaker 3: it to be about getting the truth out there, because

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Speaker 3: the thing that has irritated me and my female colleagues,

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Speaker 3: who are also insulted terribly in that column is a

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Speaker 3: lot of half truth smiths leading information, lack of facts,

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Speaker 3: and the facts on what we've done on pay equity

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Speaker 3: are quite different from many of the claims being made publicly,

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Speaker 3: and I want that information out there. So I hope

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Speaker 3: that a few people click on my response to the

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Speaker 3: Weekend Star Tribe and read those facts. That's what's important.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry nobody read any of the misfacts because nobody

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Speaker 2: got past that word.

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Speaker 3: That was family shock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah we got there and went, oh, okay, that's the

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Speaker 2: end of that column.

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01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 3: Hey, you know that is a nice side of it.

1509
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 3: Though heither, there's been some real solidarity. I've had messages

1510
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 3: from women I haven't seen in years, just saying, you know,

1511
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 3: I might not even be a NAT, but you should

1512
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 3: not have to tolerate that someone sent me flowers. I've

1513
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 3: had a real outpouring of suppress. Actually, a former MP.

1514
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 3: I'll keep her name private because you know, I haven't

1515
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 3: been disclosed to bring her into the public domain. But

1516
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 3: a former MP, she just said, there are no words,

1517
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 3: so I'm sending you flowers instead.

1518
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 2: That's a very nice thing to do. Now, listen, how

1519
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 2: much did you save by revamping the pay equity scheme?

1520
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 3: Looks significant money billions, and it is the case that

1521
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 3: Without that money, we would have far fewer positive initiatives

1522
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 3: in our budget that we think are necessary and a

1523
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 3: priority for New Zealand right now. But the most important

1524
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 3: thing for me always as we've been looking at this

1525
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 3: issue for some months, has been we've got to get

1526
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 3: it right in principle, because I believe in the idea

1527
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 3: of pay equity. I know not everyone does, but I do.

1528
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 3: That is the idea that some women have been semically

1529
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 3: undervalued and underpaid because they are women, and I think

1530
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 3: there should be correction for that in law. So I

1531
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 3: wanted to be sure that any regime we put up

1532
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 3: to replace the existing regime would uphold that principle before

1533
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 3: we then move to make changes. Having satisfied ourselves of that,

1534
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 3: I was happy to go through with it. And it

1535
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 3: is the case that if we hadn't done it, labor

1536
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,480
Speaker 3: scheme was in such a mess that it was exploding

1537
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,600
Speaker 3: in costs, it was going to cost billions more in

1538
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 3: the future, it was going to lead to borrowing extra

1539
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 3: taxes or massive spending cuts. And so the decision we've

1540
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 3: come to is the right one. It's the financially sound one,

1541
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 3: and it's the principled one.

1542
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 2: Have you saved seventeen billion.

1543
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 3: I'm not going to give you the number today either,

1544
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 3: because that's what all now she's what she's done is

1545
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 3: looked at how much money was in contingency and the budget.

1546
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 3: That contingency number covers more than pay equity.

1547
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so is it more than ten billion.

1548
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 3: It's a really big number. I'm going to reveal it

1549
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,839
Speaker 3: on budget day, the only but that's a bit subtle

1550
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 3: about it, as we have retained funding for future pay

1551
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 3: equities settlements, so we've kept money and contingency. Yep. That

1552
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 3: number I can't disclose because obviously it's a sensitive figure

1553
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 3: for commercial negotiations for employment bargaining that will occur. So

1554
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 3: there's some complexity in what I can reveal about how

1555
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 3: big the costs had got, how much we'd saved, and

1556
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 3: how much we've kept in reserve. But I'm going to

1557
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 3: be as candid as I can within those bounds on budget.

1558
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I did. What I don't understand

1559
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 2: is why you're being honest with us today and saying, yep,

1560
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 2: we've saved a whole bunch of money for the budget.

1561
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:34,560
Speaker 2: But then Chris lux In last week was like, no,

1562
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 2: it's not about the budget. It clearly is.

1563
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 3: Well, look, right on day one I said, look, this

1564
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 3: is going to deliver bit billiance. I was absolutely up today.

1565
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: And as to going out and saying it's not about

1566
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: the budget, well, I think.

1567
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 3: He was probably reflecting the point I made to you earlier,

1568
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 3: which is that actually, this is still a principal change.

1569
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,560
Speaker 3: It's not as if we were prepared to do absolutely

1570
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 3: anything to fund the budget, which was how some were

1571
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 3: characterizing it. We first needed to satisfy ourselves that we

1572
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 3: could do this in a way that was fair and just,

1573
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 3: and then having determined that, then the savings flow.

1574
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 2: I don't believe that. Do you know why I don't

1575
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 2: believe that, because if you, guys, if this wasn't about

1576
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 2: the budget, you wouldn't have done it last week in

1577
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 2: the space of a couple of days.

1578
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 3: Like well, ago, Yeah, we'll just be clear about that.

1579
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 3: We were thinking about it ages ago. I first brought

1580
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 3: a paper on pay equity to cabinet in April last year.

1581
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 3: We first started discussing legislative change in December, having made

1582
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 3: cabinet decisions in March. We didn't need to get the

1583
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 3: legislation passed in order for those savings to be realized.

1584
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 2: Why didn't I talk about this publicly so you could

1585
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 2: bring people with.

1586
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 3: You, Because our concern was that we would create a

1587
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 3: limbo land for many months in which people would not

1588
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 3: know whether their current claims were going to be progressed,

1589
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 3: the basis on which they were going to be assessed,

1590
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 3: and we'd create a situation in which you'd have a

1591
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 3: group of people thinking, should I be rushing in my

1592
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 3: claim or should I be changing the nature of my claim.

1593
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 3: This way, we've provided certainty, clarity. The new regime is

1594
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 3: now in place that's very nanimous, clean inside how they

1595
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:07,839
Speaker 3: want to submit their terne.

1596
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 2: But it's magnanimous of you, but you've ended up shocking

1597
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 2: people to such an extent that it's backfired on you. Guys,

1598
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 2: I would say, don't you think well?

1599
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 3: I think the truth will out. I trust New Zealanders

1600
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 3: to see through the heat and the noise and to

1601
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,879
Speaker 3: get their heads around this. To reject the ridiculous claims

1602
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 3: by labor and others that we've somehow got rid of

1603
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 3: equal pay, which remains as protected in law as it

1604
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 3: always has been. To reject the idea that we're actually

1605
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 3: cutting women's pay. No all those nurses, all those social

1606
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 3: workers who've got pay equity settlements, They're still going to

1607
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 3: be paid. And to reject the idea that we're somehow

1608
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 3: getting rid of the pay equity. Actually there will be

1609
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 3: future settlements, so that information, once people have it in

1610
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 3: their heads, I trust that they'll see this was a

1611
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 3: sensible decision.

1612
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 2: I was reading about Adrian Orr's last meeting with you

1613
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 2: and US and Christian Hawksby was at the Select Committee

1614
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 2: and say, I can't remember what it was about. He

1615
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 2: doesn't remember, do you?

1616
01:13:58,880 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1617
01:13:59,120 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: I do.

1618
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 3: There was three topics we discussed. We discussed capital adequacy ratios,

1619
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 3: We discussed the Reserve Banks funding agreement, and we discussed

1620
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank's progress on the banking competition issues, which

1621
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 3: I had written expectations to them about earlier in the year.

1622
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 20: Now.

1623
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 2: So I think this is quite suspicious, Nikola, that it

1624
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 2: feels to me like this bust up has been potentially

1625
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 2: about the capital adequacy ratios, right, because you asked for

1626
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 2: multiple meetings with him about the capital requirements and he

1627
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 2: said I can't do it. He can't do it. Februy seven,

1628
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 2: can't do it, February ten, can't do it. Whatever, whatever,

1629
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,639
Speaker 2: and then while you are getting that locked into the diary,

1630
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 2: you ask Treasury whether it's possible for you to actually

1631
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 2: override him and force him to do what you want.

1632
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 2: So was that what it was really about?

1633
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 3: No, As I said, there were three topics up for discussion,

1634
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 3: the Reserve Banks funding agreement and its progress on banking.

1635
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 2: No, I mean that, Why is that why he quit?

1636
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 3: I know, I don't think that that is why he quit.

1637
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 3: As I've said, his reasons for resigning are his own.

1638
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 3: There for him to expect press, not for me. But actually,

1639
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 3: the relationship I have with the Reserve Bank is also

1640
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 3: with its board, who actually were very involved in the

1641
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,759
Speaker 3: decision to do their own review of capital adequacy, reflecting

1642
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 3: the views of the board members that that was an

1643
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 3: appropriate thing to do, reflecting what has been widespread public

1644
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 3: discussion and critique of their position, and their desire to

1645
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 3: check it and to defend it.

1646
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 2: So he didn't quit because you try to force him

1647
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 2: to change the capital requirements.

1648
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 3: I don't think that's the case.

1649
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 2: You don't think that's the case.

1650
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 3: As I say, his reasons for his resignation are his own.

1651
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 3: He worked through his employment relationship with the Reserve Bank

1652
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 3: Board not me. I'm not his employer. I was advised

1653
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 3: of his resignation. I was told that there was personal

1654
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 3: reasons for it. Yeah, and actually that's where it's.

1655
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 2: Ats okay, But so if you don't think that's the case,

1656
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 2: it means it is also possible that it is the case.

1657
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 2: Like it's possible, you.

1658
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 3: Know, if you want the answers to these questions, the

1659
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 3: person to speak with as Adrian or himself. I can't

1660
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 3: tell you what went through his mind and what fact

1661
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 3: did into his decision. I suspect, like most people who

1662
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 3: decide to end a job, there was all sorts of

1663
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:12,839
Speaker 3: things going on to the houses.

1664
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1665
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 2: Not for the first time. You've suggested that we interview

1666
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 2: somebody else, and it's not a bad idea. Actually we will,

1667
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 2: thank you very much.

1668
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 3: I've got a future as a radio producer.

1669
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 2: Well know, when Andrea is done with you, you might

1670
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 2: need it. That's Nickola Willis's finance minister. Obviously that Andrea

1671
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 2: is not going to have any impact on it. Well,

1672
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 2: who knows. Hey, listen, got some information on what's going

1673
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 2: on with Jevin mcskimming. Turns out this is the deputy

1674
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 2: police commissioner. It turns out he's resigned because they found

1675
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 2: some pawn on his work computer. That's no no, So

1676
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 2: what happened in fact, I'll give you the details shortly,

1677
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 2: but basically they had a look into the first allegation

1678
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 2: found the pawn during that when to him said you

1679
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 2: got paorn on your computer, and he said, right, I quit.

1680
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 2: We'll talk about it later. Seventeen past six, it's the.

1681
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,639
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Speaker 2: Heither most of us couldn't give a stuff why Adrian

1684
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 2: or resigned. We just celebrate the fact that he has

1685
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 2: gone good ridden. So I'm starting to think it's pot

1686
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 2: by the I just rain you through this really quickly,

1687
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 2: starting to think it has got something to do with

1688
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 2: Nikola wanting to basically override him on the capital requirements,

1689
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 2: you know that thing how much capital the banks hold

1690
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 2: and stuff. So it turns out she was very keen

1691
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 2: to meet up with him, and she said can you

1692
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 2: can we have a meeting in February seven and he

1693
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 2: was like, Noah, February five, No, no, Februy twenty four, yes, okay,

1694
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 2: So they're locked in the meeting for February twenty four.

1695
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 2: It's all about and all. The subject of the meeting

1696
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 2: is capital requirements. Meantime, she also asked Treasury listen, is

1697
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,600
Speaker 2: it possible if I just tell him what to do

1698
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 2: and he has to do it? Can I do that?

1699
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 2: And they were like, yeah, well technically it's the nuclear option,

1700
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 2: but blah blah blah whatever, you know, it used to

1701
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 2: be the case anyway, never mind. Then they had the meeting.

1702
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 2: Then he the meeting about capital requirements, after she took

1703
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 2: advice on whether she could force him. Then they had

1704
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 2: the meeting about that. Then he quit, and then the

1705
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,040
Speaker 2: bank decided, oh, Adrian's not here. Yeah, look, well A

1706
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 2: considered changing our minds. So it's a bit suspicious, isn't

1707
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 2: It must be about that six twenty one now Shane

1708
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 2: solely harbor Asset Management is with us. Hey, Shane, Hi, okay,

1709
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:10,799
Speaker 2: so we've got the trade talks. What's the latest?

1710
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, so the US and Chinese governments have both

1711
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:18,679
Speaker 4: reported substantial progress. They spending two days in Switzerland having talks,

1712
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 4: say but de escalating the trade war. They haven't released

1713
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 4: any specifics, but the Chinese Vice Premier he left thing.

1714
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 4: He said that two biggest economies have agreed to create

1715
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 4: a nechanism for further talks now tonight CMPU in New

1716
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 4: Zealand time, US Treasurer Scott said he's going to do

1717
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 4: a briefing on the China talk. So it's notice pending

1718
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 4: either notice pending.

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Speaker 2: How are the capital markets reacting?

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Speaker 4: Look going into the weekend, there was actually pretty low

1721
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 4: expectations market. It's pretty much of the view that the

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01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 4: sisters the starter, there's the icebreaker. But if these statements

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Speaker 4: from the two governments are actually correct about the talks

1724
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,759
Speaker 4: being sustainded, it's a better outcome. You know, the truthers

1725
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 4: will still left arras and they will still lead to

1726
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 4: slower activity and unfortunately a little bit high inflation, but

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01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 4: it'll be less bad. So what we're seeing in New

1728
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 4: Zealand's trading time, as the US dollar has gone up,

1729
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 4: the US SHAR market's actually the futures, this is the

1730
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 4: forward market that gets traded outside normal time, is up

1731
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 4: about one and a half percent plus And locally we

1732
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 4: saw a slightly better day in the New Zealand shre

1733
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 4: market up half a percent. Main FRAT that was the

1734
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 4: big leader on the day, up five percent to sixty

1735
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 4: six dollars. It is potentially a benefit of beneficiary of

1736
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 4: this storing and trade between China and US, but really,

1737
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 4: until we sort of see the details, it's just words

1738
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,560
Speaker 4: suiting that Swiss chocolate might have hit the spot in

1739
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 4: terms of sweeting things up there.

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Speaker 2: Now with the market surprised by Donald Trump's announcement on pharmaceuticals.

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01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we've sort of got when there was something

1742
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 4: due to be announced late last week and so what

1743
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 4: has come out on as social media platform and said

1744
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 4: we're going to cut prescription drug costs in the US

1745
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 4: by thirty between thirty and eighty percent, bringing them into

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01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 4: line with other countries using what's called the most Favored

1747
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 4: Nations price in model. I won't bore you with the details,

1748
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 4: but it's something that's been used before and what this

1749
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 4: has done, unfortunately, it's seen healthcare stops in the Asia

1750
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 4: Pacific markets go down today on worries that their profits

1751
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 4: will take a hit if they have to reduce prices

1752
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 4: in the US and they need locally efficient pipe with

1753
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 4: healthy issue price was down two percent to thirty five

1754
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 4: dollars twenty perhaps impacted by that news.

1755
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Speaker 2: Shane, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate

1756
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 2: your time mate, that we're talking in next week Shane

1757
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 2: Solly Harbor Asset Management. Listen, do you remember those COVID

1758
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 2: loans for small businesses, the ones where they I think

1759
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 2: paid no interest at all for two years and then

1760
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 2: a little bit for out there after. Anyway, they are

1761
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 2: coming up to you pretty much from this month, so

1762
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:41,759
Speaker 2: we're going to talk talk shortly about whether that's actually

1763
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 2: even going to get paid back at all. Heabes Outstanding

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01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:44,799
Speaker 2: six twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour

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Speaker 2: MB six twenty six. So do you have a MX skimming?

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01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 2: This is what it says. The Herald has been told

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Speaker 2: by multiple sources that detectives investigating the original complaint against

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01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 2: MC Skimming allegedly discovered pornographic material on one of his

1772
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 2: electronic work devices. The alleged pawn was not relevant to

1773
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 2: the original complaint, but sources believed it was evidence to

1774
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,639
Speaker 2: start a new separate employment case against the Deputy Commissioner

1775
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 2: and then he resigned. I don't know, I'll tell you

1776
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 2: what if I was, I'd feel like they were out

1777
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 2: to get me. That's a bit one of those ones

1778
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 2: where they go, oh, we're investigating. Oh look we've found

1779
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 2: something else. We're gonna have another one at Yeah, anyway,

1780
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 2: we'll see where that goes. He's got a lawyer, it's

1781
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 2: Linda Clark, so that says a lot. Now, the bins

1782
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 2: in Auckland. There is a publication called The Centrist which

1783
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 2: has done a bit of back of the envelope maths

1784
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 2: about what's going on with the bins in Auckland. You

1785
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 2: know those little food bins. Yeah, don't use them. If

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01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 2: you care about finances or the planet, you probably don't

1787
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 2: want to be putting your scraps in them, because it

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01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 2: turns out they are hugely expensive. So once you do

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01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 2: all the maths and you have a look at how

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01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 2: much it costs and how much we're saving with it,

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01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 2: it turns out they have every carbon, every unit of carbon.

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01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 2: It's all about the climate. Every unit of carbon that

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01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 2: you save, it's costing Auckland one thousand, four hundred and

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01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 2: forty dollars. Now you can save the carbon if you

1795
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,640
Speaker 2: want to by putting your stuff in the bin and

1796
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 2: trucking it down to Rotu and dumping it over there

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01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:24,759
Speaker 2: and spending fourteen fourteen hundred dollars on it. Or simpler,

1798
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 2: we could plant you a tree to offset that carbon

1799
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 2: that'll cost one hundred and twenty dollars per unit, or

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01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 2: even cheaper, we could just buy you one of the

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01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 2: units of the carbon auction that will cost fifty dollars

1802
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 2: a unit. So it doesn't seem like the smartest study.

1803
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 2: And now they'll go, oh, well, the economies of scale.

1804
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 2: Even if they get to their target of saving fifty

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01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 2: thousand tons, which is what they're trying to do at

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01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 2: Auckland Council, the cost per unit will still be seven

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01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty dollars per unit. There's somebody there's some

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01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 2: girl maths going on there a, isn't it. I'll be

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01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 2: just the boy doing it as well. Anyway, Headline's next home.

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Speaker 1: Worse if it's to do with money, it matters to

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01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: you the business hour with Header due for c Ellen

1812
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: and theirs, insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

1813
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 5: News talks that'd be did you've taken me?

1814
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 23: Na ay?

1815
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 8: Game?

1816
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 2: Pray is going to be at us and ten minutes

1817
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 2: someone tell you what. The government of there is really

1818
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,719
Speaker 2: cracking down on migration in quite a significant way, requiring

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01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,719
Speaker 2: all kinds of English language competency which they didn't require

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01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 2: beforehand before people can actually live there permanently. So we'll

1821
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,959
Speaker 2: talk to them about that. Just thoughts and prayers to Wellington,

1822
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 2: because the tough days of Wellington hospitality are by no

1823
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 2: means over news today, just in just today that two

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01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 2: institutions are closing, one like completely different ends of the scale,

1825
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 2: by the way. One is our Veda which is on

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01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 2: Featherston Street, and that will be well known to people

1827
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 2: who you know, leave the office and head out for

1828
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 2: a little after after work tipple like they used to

1829
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 2: do back in the day. Many will have gone there.

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01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 2: And the other one is Ekem Burgher's which is across

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01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 2: the road from the Southern cross over there on Cuba Street.

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01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 2: Brilliant burgers, probably the I reckon, probably the best burgers

1833
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 2: you would get in Wellington. Ekem incidentally is Mike spelt backwards.

1834
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 2: I know because I went there and I said that's

1835
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,640
Speaker 2: a weird name and then they told me anyway, both

1836
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 2: of those things are closing, and it is a sad

1837
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 2: day for the capital to see so many of the

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01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 2: outfits closing twenty three away from seven they do. Now,

1839
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 2: speaking of businesses, do you remember those small business loans

1840
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 2: that Grant and just Sinder handed out at the heights

1841
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 2: of the pandemic in twenty twenty, Well, they were all

1842
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 2: supposed to be paid back within five years, which means

1843
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 2: they're coming up. Do you write about now? But there's

1844
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 2: still about nine hundred million outstanding. Chris Small is managing

1845
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 2: director at ABC Business Sales and with US. Now, hey, Chris, hey, here,

1846
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 2: here are you going? I'm very well, thank you. Now,

1847
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 2: if nine hundred million is still paid back, and it

1848
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 2: was also is still outstanding, and it was all supposed

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01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 2: to be paid back within five years, I would say

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Speaker 2: a lot of that is not coming in, is it?

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01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,919
Speaker 10: You spot on? Yeah? Very unlikely And given the security

1852
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 10: position that the government had, it was actually an unsecured loan,

1853
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 10: so they're not walking on particularly strong footing when it

1854
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 10: comes to trying to receive it either.

1855
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So what's gone on here? Have the businesses folded?

1856
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 2: Have they just decided they're not going to pay it back?

1857
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,600
Speaker 10: What? Well, when you think about it, when it was

1858
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 10: first off, it it was interest free for a year,

1859
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 10: and then it moved to three percent after that for

1860
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 10: the next four years. Generally, an unsecured business loan would

1861
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 10: be anywhere from sort of goodness eight to twelve percent,

1862
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 10: So of course everyone was going to take it if

1863
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,640
Speaker 10: you're a sensible business person. And then I suspect that

1864
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 10: they've just really put their heads in the sand and

1865
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 10: just pretend it's not there, because you know, three percent,

1866
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 10: there's not a lot to be paying back on an

1867
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 10: interest only basis. And there's probably also a few of

1868
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 10: them that are probably not no longer around because a

1869
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 10: high proportion of these businesses were sold traders, and businesses

1870
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:51,759
Speaker 10: were fewer than six full time staff.

1871
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 2: It's not as if we've left things for five years,

1872
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 2: is it. It's not like we said here's your money

1873
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty and then we're going to leave it.

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01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 2: There has been some contact with these people, hasn't that?

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01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 3: Yes?

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01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 10: But minimal I think, you know, really they put the

1877
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 10: government put there, especially the previous can't put their head

1878
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 10: in the sand through this.

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01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 2: Money possible, Chris, if there's been minimal contact, is it

1880
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 2: possible that some of these people just forgot and all

1881
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 2: of a sudden Oh jeez, yeah, I've got to pay

1882
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 2: the money back here it is I.

1883
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 10: Suspect will strongly suspect that's a very small proportion. I

1884
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 10: suspect they will struggle to get the majority of this

1885
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 10: money back because either they can't afford it be what

1886
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 10: you remember as a business owner is more than like

1887
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:33,719
Speaker 10: you're going to have a home loan mortgage, so that'll

1888
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 10: take priority because if he doesn't pay that, the bank

1889
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 10: will come in and take his house. Yeah, the government

1890
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 10: doesn't have the ability to do that. They don't have

1891
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 10: a personal guarantee. They don't have a mortgage on his

1892
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 10: business or his house. So they're going to be a

1893
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 10: lot lower in the pecking order when it comes to

1894
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 10: who a business owner decides to pay back. And that's

1895
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:50,639
Speaker 10: if they're still around.

1896
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't believe that I'm actually saying this.

1897
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 2: But we've learned a lesson, haven't we, As if we

1898
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 2: did as if we learned needed to learn this lesson,

1899
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,679
Speaker 2: we have learned a lesson here We've.

1900
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 10: Bleuned the hard way. That's nine hundred million that potentially

1901
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 10: could go towards hospitals, education, lots of other good stuff.

1902
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 10: But in the end, we we basically gave it away.

1903
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 2: Does it surprise? I mean, Chris, this is one oh

1904
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 2: one about lending money. You make sure it's secured, you know,

1905
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 2: you lend it reasonable rate. So this is this has

1906
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 2: got to be one of the dumbest things that you've

1907
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 2: seen happened.

1908
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 10: Surely, well, absolutely, I mean, who wouldn't take the money

1909
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 10: interest free for the first year and then moves to

1910
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 10: three percent and it's unsecured. I mean I would have.

1911
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 10: We didn't take any because we were I guess we've

1912
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 10: got to act with ethics and integrity. But I think

1913
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 10: a lot of New Zealanders would have taken that. And

1914
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 10: who knows what a what they did with the money

1915
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 10: and who knows where they are now?

1916
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty remarkable. Chris, thank you very much, really appreciated.

1917
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 2: Chris Small, Managing Director, ABC Business Sales.

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Speaker 10: Here.

1919
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 2: The next question about Jim mc skinner mc skimming is

1920
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 2: is the paorn illegal now? And here's the thing. Okay, no,

1921
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 2: porn obviously is not. Well, the vast majority of porn

1922
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 2: will not be illegal. It will just be some a

1923
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 2: moral judgment. But but and here's the thing. If you

1924
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 2: go have a look at your employment, you know your

1925
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 2: use of technology, you know, devices and stuff like that.

1926
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 2: Your business, like our business, has an we'll have an

1927
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 2: employment policy on it and it will quite clearly say

1928
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 2: unless your employer is a complete numpty, it will quite

1929
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 2: clearly say employees are not to access pornographic material on

1930
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Speaker 2: their work supplied devices. And if it's his work computer,

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Speaker 2: then it was work supplied. And if it was his

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Speaker 2: works was it his laptop or was it his desktop?

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Speaker 2: Because if it was his laptop then you know, whatever

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Speaker 2: time of day. But if it was his desktop, is

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Speaker 2: he doing entering work hours? There's a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: things that you can ask questions about there eighteen away

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Speaker 2: from seven.

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Speaker 1: Approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's heather d

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Speaker 1: for clan with the business hour and mass insurance and investments,

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Speaker 1: grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 2: News talks that'd be priichi here that we should be

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Speaker 2: bloody chasing that money. We paid our loan back, bloody mugs,

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Speaker 2: aren't we. We don't need that money yet quite right.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that probably tomorrow, I think a little

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Speaker 2: bit more quarter to seven and with me now as

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Speaker 2: Gavin Gray, UK correspondent, Hey, Gevin, hi, there had that

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Speaker 2: what are the chances Putin turns up to this meeting.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, it's going to be I think, a very very

1949
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Speaker 23: interesting forty eight hours or so before we reach the

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Speaker 23: Thursday meeting that's deadline now between Vladimir Putin and Vladimir Zelenski,

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Speaker 23: which we now know to be in hosted by Turkey

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Speaker 23: Regick Tybird. When the President says he's happy to host it.

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Speaker 23: It's interesting. I think that since President Trump's intervention that

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Speaker 23: he wanted this to take place, that it appears Ukraine

1955
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Speaker 23: has dropped its demand for a cease fire before agreeing

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Speaker 23: to talks, because we're now hearing on x anyway, President

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Speaker 23: Zelenski has said that there is no point in prolonging

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Speaker 23: the killing. And I will be waiting for Putin in

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Speaker 23: Turkey on Thursday personally, and it is therefore the first

1960
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Speaker 23: time we're going to see these face to face talks

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Speaker 23: between the pair. After all, we suspect that President Putin

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Speaker 23: will turn up. He's the one that's demanded the face

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Speaker 23: to face talks. But this talk of a thirty day

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Speaker 23: pause in fighting, which was due to start now has

1965
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Speaker 23: gone very quiet with talk. We just don't know if

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Speaker 23: Russia is going to respect that or whether that's not

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Speaker 23: going to happen at all.

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Speaker 5: So perhaps now.

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Speaker 23: Ukraine feeling that it has to soften its stance demanding

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Speaker 23: the ceasefire before the talks, to first of all appease

1971
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Speaker 23: President Trump, I guess, but also to get these talks underway.

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Speaker 23: So plenty riding on this after so many deaths and

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Speaker 23: so long at the country being ripped apart by Russian aggression.

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Speaker 2: Gevin, talk to me about the charge that you know

1975
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Speaker 2: this chap who is the prime suspect of Metal and

1976
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Speaker 2: McCann's diappearance. What's the extra charge that he's facing now.

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Speaker 23: Yes, so, Christian Brukner is his name, and he was

1978
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Speaker 23: due to be released from jail in September for existing

1979
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Speaker 23: offenses that he was behind bars for. The forty eight

1980
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Speaker 23: year old was imprisoned in Germany for raping a seventy

1981
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Speaker 23: two year old American tourist in Portugal back in two

1982
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Speaker 23: thousand and five. You'll remember that three year old Madeline

1983
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Speaker 23: McCann vanished for her holiday apartment in Portugal in two

1984
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Speaker 23: thousand and seven. It's become obviously one of the highest

1985
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Speaker 23: profile unsolved missing person cases in the world. So every

1986
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Speaker 23: single move that Bruckner because he's not being identified as

1987
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Speaker 23: a suspect in her disappearance until twenty twenty. But every

1988
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Speaker 23: single move that comes around about this man gains international attraction,

1989
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Speaker 23: of course, and we're being told that he's due in

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Speaker 23: court shortly in the next few days, accused of insulting

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Speaker 23: a member of prison staff. Now the precise details of

1992
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Speaker 23: this allegation have not been made public. It doesn't sound

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Speaker 23: terribly serious, but there is this sort of underplayer thought

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Speaker 23: that they're very keen to keep him in prison while

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Speaker 23: they continue to justify or continue to try to link

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Speaker 23: him to Madeline McCann's disappearance. Now we don't know that

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Speaker 23: for sure. The German authorities have not said that that.

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Speaker 23: That's certainly come out by lots of experts believing that

1999
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Speaker 23: it'll be a big fear that when he releas is

2000
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Speaker 23: release from prison as a freeman, he would then skip

2001
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Speaker 23: Germany and disappear altogether.

2002
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Speaker 2: Kevin, the stuff that your Prime Minister is announcing, this

2003
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Speaker 2: crackdown of migration, is this proving popular?

2004
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Speaker 23: I think it will do, and the reason is quite

2005
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Speaker 23: simply the figures Heather. So obviously, now in the UK

2006
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Speaker 23: we've had a surge for Reform UK in the polls,

2007
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Speaker 23: something that they have taken voters or support from both

2008
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Speaker 23: the party of government Labor and the previous party of

2009
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Speaker 23: government the Conservatives. And one of the key things that

2010
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Speaker 23: Reform says it would do is get net migration down

2011
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Speaker 23: to zero. Well, last year net migration was seven hundred

2012
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Speaker 23: and twenty eight thousand, the year before it was nine

2013
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Speaker 23: hundred and three thousand, So just in two years more

2014
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Speaker 23: than one point six million net migration into the UK.

2015
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Speaker 23: It's obviously very very sore and sensitive subject and it's

2016
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Speaker 23: not just illegal migration that people want to crack down on. Hey,

2017
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Speaker 23: it's legal migration as well. This government to outline in

2018
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Speaker 23: just under an hour's time what new contribution it's going

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Speaker 23: to make to this debate. It is going to apparently

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Speaker 23: extend the amount of time that somebody has to be

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Speaker 23: resident here before they can apply from citizenship from five

2022
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Speaker 23: to ten years. It's going to reduce the reliance on foreign.

2023
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Speaker 5: Workers, particularly in the care sector.

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Speaker 23: And there'll be new English language requirements for every visa route,

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Speaker 23: including adult dependence. That bit is completely new that you

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Speaker 23: also not just the main applicant, but the family members

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Speaker 23: as well should have a working level of English. So

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Speaker 23: these things the government promises will get tightening up of

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Speaker 23: net migration, but others are saying these are just tinkering

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Speaker 23: around the edges, and frankly we should leave the European

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Speaker 23: Court of the Human Rights in order to prevent people

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Speaker 23: from putting out spurious appeals.

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Speaker 2: Gavin, it's always good to talk to you, mate. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much, Gavin Gray, UK correspondent. By the way,

2035
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Speaker 2: talk of the trade deal this is between the US

2036
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Speaker 2: and China, that the trade warll coming to some sort

2037
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Speaker 2: of a resolution. Has actually done fantastic things for our market,

2038
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Speaker 2: has Shane Sally was saying earlier main freight's gone up

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Speaker 2: five percent, just like that's the ego. I am not

2040
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Speaker 2: loving what Ikea is doing in this country and this

2041
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Speaker 2: is not ye. I mean, obviously the flat pack stuff's

2042
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Speaker 2: fine by me, but it's opening the shops and stuff.

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Speaker 2: I've been given jobs, that's all fine by me. What

2044
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Speaker 2: it is is that it's the tree planting it's going on.

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Speaker 2: Ikea is planting a hell of a lot of trees

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Speaker 2: in this country. So they've had three OIO applications. Business Desk,

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Speaker 2: by the way, has just done the numbers today. I

2048
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Speaker 2: applications just this year and when you and that brings

2049
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Speaker 2: the total number of applications that have been granted by

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Speaker 2: the OO now to twenty nine. So Ika has gone

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Speaker 2: to the OEO and said, hey, I want to buy

2052
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Speaker 2: a farm and am I allowed? And they've gone yes,

2053
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Speaker 2: twenty nine times, twenty nine pieces of land total land

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Speaker 2: acquisation acquisitions and our twenty seven thousand hectares. Now, to

2055
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Speaker 2: just put that into some perspective for you, the average

2056
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Speaker 2: farm in this country is about two hundred and eighty hectares.

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Speaker 2: They've got twenty seven thousand hectares. That is enormous valued

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Speaker 2: it close to three hundred and seventy million dollars. And

2059
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Speaker 2: what they do. And the two most recent applications, by

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Speaker 2: the way, granted in February March this year, one in Cluther,

2061
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Speaker 2: one in Taranaki. They say, look, don't worry about it.

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Speaker 2: We're not just planting trees for the carbon. We're planting

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Speaker 2: trees so that we can you know, chop the trees

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Speaker 2: down and make some you know, supply our wood for

2065
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Speaker 2: all the stuff that we're doing. And that's Look, that

2066
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Speaker 2: does make it somewhat better. It's much better. To actually

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Speaker 2: have the trees being planted, chopped down, planted, chopped down, planted,

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Speaker 2: choped downs. You've got a bit of something going on there, right,

2069
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Speaker 2: and a little bit of work being created, and we're

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Speaker 2: earning some money offered and stuff like that. That's a

2071
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:10,720
Speaker 2: hell of a lot better than just a tree that

2072
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 2: stands there for god knows how long. But they are

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Speaker 2: still planting sheep and beef farms into trees. Not I

2074
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Speaker 2: don't know about you, but I feel deeply uncomfortable. That's

2075
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Speaker 2: a hell of a lot of land to just be

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Speaker 2: turning into trees, isn't it. Eight away from seven it's

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Speaker 2: the Heather.

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Speaker 1: by Newstalk ZBI.

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Speaker 2: By the way, a six away from seven, a cool

2081
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Speaker 2: thing happened over the weekend which most of us were

2082
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Speaker 2: completely unaware of, which is that I've got to name

2083
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Speaker 2: this thing properly. I've got to do it properly for you.

2084
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 2: Cosmos four eight two might have re entered the Earth's atmosphere. Now,

2085
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:50,560
Speaker 2: if you're like, what's that, well, let me tell you.

2086
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 2: Cosmos four eight two is a spacecraft that was launched

2087
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 2: in the Soviet era that was by the Soviet Union

2088
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 2: that was supposed to do a sol landing on Venus,

2089
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Speaker 2: but never got to Venus. It just instead. What happened does?

2090
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Speaker 2: It just got trapped in Earth's orbit since about nineteen

2091
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Speaker 2: seventy two, so it's been going round. I think a

2092
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Speaker 2: bit of it fell on New Zealand, like maybe some

2093
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Speaker 2: years ago. I don't really know. I think that's what

2094
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 2: happened anyway, since she's been going around since nineteen seventy two,

2095
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 2: just in a circle, round and round and round. And

2096
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Speaker 2: then sometime over the weekend it came down somewhere on

2097
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Speaker 2: our planet. And I don't know where, but they'll find it,

2098
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 2: no doubt.

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Speaker 19: Its yeah, by Usher to play us out tonight.

2100
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Speaker 11: Here.

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01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 19: The Usher's on tour at the moment, going around the world,

2102
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Speaker 19: and he's doing a little thing at his concerts where

2103
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 19: and this is probably a good reason to buy tickets

2104
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:37,680
Speaker 19: if you're a fan of Usher. He will grab a

2105
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Speaker 19: fan out of the lap dance. Well not quite that,

2106
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 19: but he will pull you out of the crowd up

2107
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 19: on stage and he'll feed you a cherry, like he'll

2108
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Speaker 19: take a cherry out of his pocket, out of a

2109
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Speaker 19: bunch of cherries and he'll dangle it by the stem

2110
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Speaker 19: and let you kind of, you know, eat the cherry.

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Speaker 19: It was a bit awkward for him at the last.

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Speaker 2: Describe to me where he's standing when he does this.

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Speaker 19: He's standing over you. Either he's standing very very close.

2114
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Speaker 2: To you, very close. He's being a late dance, isn't it,

2115
01:37:59,479 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 2: And he's.

2116
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 19: Raised his arm above you and he's dangling the cherry

2117
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Speaker 19: in your face.

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Speaker 2: How long has the cherry been in his pocket?

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Speaker 19: Well, well, he's holding like a basket of them in

2120
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Speaker 19: the clip I've seen, so I hope presumably like there's

2121
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Speaker 19: an assistant who runs in from off stage to hand

2122
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 19: them to him. But the awkward part was at the

2123
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Speaker 19: London concert. Then the lady made it clear she wasn't

2124
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Speaker 19: keen on the cherry, and she try about three times

2125
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Speaker 19: to say no, no, no, I don't want the cherry,

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Speaker 19: And then finally he worked out. He informed the crowd

2127
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Speaker 19: that she's allergic to cherries to hear what she was saying,

2128
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 19: and he thought she was just being coy.

2129
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Speaker 2: Did she ask him to swap something else out the well?

2130
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Speaker 19: He gave her a hug and steer and stuff, so

2131
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Speaker 19: she still still got money's worth it. Anyway. Yeah, so

2132
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Speaker 19: I think he's playing Melbourne towards the end of the

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Speaker 19: Arn and one other show in Australia as well, could

2134
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Speaker 19: be in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: One.

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Speaker 19: So if you're a fan of cherries and the ushers,

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Speaker 19: you know, Mike, Mike, maybe keep an eye out for

2138
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Speaker 19: that one.

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Speaker 2: You reckon it's a warm cherry if it's come out

2140
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Speaker 2: of his pocket.

2141
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Speaker 19: Like I said, it didn't come out of his pocket.

2142
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Speaker 19: It came out of a basket like he had a

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Speaker 19: basket of cherries that I did.

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Speaker 2: I just make that a whole lot more exciting than

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Speaker 2: it actually was.

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Speaker 19: What he rea saltily into his pocket and then pulls

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Speaker 19: out a shell. Oh right, well, maybe something to think

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Speaker 19: about us or if you're listening to change out the

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Speaker 19: act of it, you want to make.

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Speaker 2: Something to think about.

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Speaker 20: See you tomorrow, Yes, yes, take that the rewinded back.

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Speaker 20: Little John got to beat them, make your booty go,

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Speaker 20: take that rewind it back. Erth Sir got the voice

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Speaker 20: to make your booty go, Take that rewinded back. Ludacris

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Speaker 20: got the flow to make your booty go. Take that

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Speaker 20: rewind it back. Little John got to beat them, make

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Speaker 20: your booty go.

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