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Speaker 1: Darcy water Grave sixteen passed four with US NOW sports

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Speaker 1: talk host Tallo.

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Speaker 2: Darcy, I've been talking about Bsa've been talking about the BSA. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Paul Holmes, the legendary Sir Paul Holmes said to me once,

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Speaker 2: if you're not being dragged up in front of the

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Speaker 2: BSA at least once every three years, you're not doing

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Speaker 2: your child.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell a BSA that because the BSA wants to

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Speaker 1: believe that we're scared of them, right, yes, so we

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Speaker 1: have to pretend that I actually care what they say.

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Speaker 1: I'm terrified, shockingly, like it just terrifies.

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Speaker 2: I hope they're listening.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about Ardie Savia, because there is a

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Speaker 1: piece in the Herald this morning, Gregor Paul's piece which

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Speaker 1: has laid it lays out what's going on with Ardie Savia.

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Speaker 2: It's a tone, it's huge.

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Speaker 1: Ardie Sarvia has clearly has clearly had his people talk

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Speaker 1: to Gregor in some sort of an attempt to clear

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Speaker 1: his name. And I read that and when you were

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Speaker 1: behind you were absolutely behind razors firing, That's how I

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Speaker 1: read it. Did you read it like that?

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Speaker 2: No? I chose to look dispassionately at it and look

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Speaker 2: at the story, what he put together, why he put

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Speaker 2: it together, and what the result will be long term,

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Speaker 2: because I think mostly we're looking for who's going to

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Speaker 2: be the next All Black captain.

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Speaker 1: But that's not why Ardie has talked. That's not why

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Speaker 1: Artist's people have talked to Gregor. They're trying to clear

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Speaker 1: his name because everybody believes Artie was involved with Raser.

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Speaker 1: So instead the story that he sold Gregor is that

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Speaker 1: he just wants to spend He wanted to quit the

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Speaker 1: All Blacks last year because he wanted to spend time

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Speaker 1: with his family, which called bs on, don't.

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Speaker 2: You and not necessarily. I think what's complicit here is

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Speaker 2: both inzed Are and Ardie Savi. You can't apportion blame

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Speaker 2: to either of those two parties for what's happened over

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Speaker 2: the last few years. And we've got Gregor on the

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Speaker 2: show tonight to explore what he wrote, why he wrote it,

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Speaker 2: and if people want to read it, I do suggest

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Speaker 2: insid Herald, dot Co, dot Ez they take a look

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Speaker 2: at what happened there. There are two very different stories

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Speaker 2: involved and they clash, they crash headlong. But the interest

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Speaker 2: around Ardie Savia and the colossity is in the sport

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Speaker 2: and the wreckage that is New Zealand Rugby and how

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Speaker 2: they've managed to dragged themselves by by the braces or

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Speaker 2: the belt loops back up to a half decent space

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand Rugby's mind. It's a fascinating story. I

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Speaker 2: suppose that out the end of it, will he get

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Speaker 2: picked to be the captain for the All Blacks for

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Speaker 2: the eighteen month lead up for the World Cup.

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Speaker 1: They were rewarded for this kind of nonsense.

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Speaker 2: Well, who was responsible for the nonsense? Was it Emanzen

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Speaker 2: or was it him? I don't think you can blame

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Speaker 2: either party for this.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's a fair point that you make,

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Speaker 1: because actually maybe what this is a sign of is

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Speaker 1: that he is actually a leader within the group and

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Speaker 1: that and and the fact is he managed to get

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Speaker 1: rid of a problematic coach for them, So that makes

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Speaker 1: him a leader, if.

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Speaker 2: That's what you believe. But what I'm interested in is

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Speaker 2: that he's complaining about how tired he was and it

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Speaker 2: was overworked. Well, he made those contracts, he walked straight

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Speaker 2: into that, yep. And then you look at New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Rugby going well, you gave him the opportunity to do this.

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Speaker 2: Why did you give him the opportunity to do this?

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Speaker 2: I think you got what you asked for.

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Speaker 1: And he's being paid. Don't to be that person, but

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Speaker 1: he's been paid a million dollars a year plus to

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Speaker 1: play rugby. Like, suck it up, mate.

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Speaker 2: Bit okay, let's be honest about this. That is absolute

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Speaker 2: chicken feed on a global sporting stuff. That's we should

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Speaker 2: have gone to play basketball in.

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Speaker 1: Terms in terms of rugby in New Zealand. That's a

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Speaker 1: that's a fair wicket. Now, what is important to us

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Speaker 1: as fans is that he may not be available for

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Speaker 1: the July Tests against France, Italy and Ireland and then

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Speaker 1: we'd come back for the greatest rivalry tour to South Africa.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's tired, right, and why is he tired because

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Speaker 2: he's gone on sabbaticals and a sabbatical last time I look,

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Speaker 2: was a rest from your workplace to recuperate and recover,

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Speaker 2: learn something new, then come back. Sabbaticals and rugby mean

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do the same job somewhere else for

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Speaker 2: more money. That's not a rest. That is not a rest.

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Speaker 2: So the chickens are coming home to roost and now

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Speaker 2: to get Artie on board and to keep them there. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're going to negotiate this. You might not play the

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Speaker 2: first hand for of the Nation's championship match because we

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Speaker 2: need you back. He's too valuable a commodity to let go.

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Speaker 2: But also you look at it and go, who's actually

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Speaker 2: running this show? Is it Ardi sa there or is

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Speaker 2: it end z Are and the general populace? What did

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Speaker 2: the public think of this?

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Speaker 1: Well, I've already got a bunch of text saying here

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Speaker 1: the Aldie sounds like a bit of a whiner. Heather

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Speaker 1: has already become bigger than the All Blacks.

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Speaker 2: This is what people discuss. Is it true? Is it not?

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Speaker 2: Is he misread? He's like a Sonny Bill Williams character.

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Speaker 2: He goes on the beat of his own drum and

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Speaker 2: people don't like that, or we don't talk about it

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Speaker 2: tonight with Gregor Paul and we'll take your call. Is

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Speaker 2: also going to have Rob Nickel on the show too

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Speaker 2: from end z Are, but nothing to do with rugby

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Speaker 2: playing because the thirteenth edition of the God Zone has

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Speaker 2: been announced and we're going to talk about that with

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Speaker 2: Rob Nickel. What a mental race.

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Speaker 1: Can I just ask you really quickly, how on earth

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Speaker 1: it is that Italy hasn't made.

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Speaker 2: What do you think problems? You think we freaked out

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Speaker 2: and we couldn't win a World Cup. That's the third

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Speaker 2: consecutive World Cup they haven't got, They've won four times.

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Speaker 2: You think we pull our hair when we don't win

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Speaker 2: a World Cup. Imagine your national sport not even qualifying

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Speaker 2: for the World Cup. I thoughts and prayers for everybody

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Speaker 2: in Esaly right now. What a horrible place to do.

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Speaker 2: And you know I'm going to miss the most about that. No,

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Speaker 2: please tell me the Italian kits, by far and away

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Speaker 2: have always been the best at World Cup. Man, they

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Speaker 2: look good. Whoever designed those I've got no idea, but

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Speaker 2: right the way through history you look at the Italian

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Speaker 2: kit hid and shoulders and everybody. I'm going to miss that.

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Speaker 1: Good from you, Thank you very much, Dars Darcy Watergrave

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