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Speaker 1: We have new procurement rules between FARMA and Health New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: In a nutshell, it's about being more efficient and having

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Speaker 1: a clearer model of responsibilities. Farmac's going to handle the

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Speaker 1: high tech stuff, so anesthetic machines, that sort of thing,

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Speaker 1: Health New Zealand buying the sticking plasters as far as

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Speaker 1: it can work out. Paul Bennett's the chair of FARMAC

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Speaker 1: and is with us a very good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, good morning.

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Speaker 1: Explain why this is a thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, back in twenty twelve you looked at it your

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Speaker 2: head to what you're twenty one dhb's everyone's procuring medical

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Speaker 2: devices separately. You know, there's no consistency, there's no efficiencies.

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Speaker 2: It's more expensive than it should be because you've got

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Speaker 2: twenty one DHBs effectively doing it. So farmacs start taking

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Speaker 2: it over, doing a much better job, making savings and

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Speaker 2: everything else. But then you've still got stuff going on

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Speaker 2: within the hospitals too, and it's not clear as to

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Speaker 2: what's going on. Twenty twenty two they suggest that it

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Speaker 2: goes back to Health New Zealand because now they're all

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Speaker 2: big one and it makes sense. However, concerns that they've

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Speaker 2: got enough going on with trying to merge everything and

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Speaker 2: sought out systems, so it stays as a farmac and

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Speaker 2: then you've got uncertainty and some are doing this and

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Speaker 2: some are doing that. And so here we are to

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Speaker 2: sit and made ministers have pulled all the heads together

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Speaker 2: and I think, quite pragmatically said, come to an agreement

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Speaker 2: and let's get on with it.

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Speaker 1: Do you win because you look like a better agency.

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Speaker 1: In other words, you're buying the flash stuff in Health

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's buying the needles.

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Speaker 2: I think that it just makes sense that they're doing

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Speaker 2: the day to day I mean, why would we get

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Speaker 2: involved in as it's not quite the sticking plasters, but

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Speaker 2: the bandages they need, the hospital beds. You know they're

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Speaker 2: living and breathing that every day and they know those needs.

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Speaker 2: And then there's the more health technical that we have

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Speaker 2: an expertise and that we do in medicines on a

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Speaker 2: daily basis. So what have we got, what's coming up,

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Speaker 2: what's the therapeutic can need? The clinical assessment that goes

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Speaker 2: alongside of it. So I think it's using the best

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Speaker 2: of both agencies effectively. Do we save money, Yes, definitely

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Speaker 2: say money. I mean we already save money, but there

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Speaker 2: is a lot more efficiencies and savings. You've got suppliers

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Speaker 2: that are confused as to whom they go to to

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Speaker 2: talk about what's coming up. I mean, it's exciting the

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Speaker 2: innovation that we've already got, but what's coming as far

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Speaker 2: as people being able to be in their homes longer

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Speaker 2: because of the technologies that can be put in there

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Speaker 2: and the savings that can come from that. So I

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Speaker 2: think that there's definitely efficiency.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Nice to talk to you, Paula Bennett. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad we clear that up. The Farmact chair with us

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