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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither duplicy,

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Speaker 1: Ellen drive.

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Speaker 2: With one New Zealand let's get connected news talk, said b.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today.

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Speaker 3: Meth and X is shutting up until the end of

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Speaker 3: October because of the gas shortage. We're going to get

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Speaker 3: you across. They were also going to speak to Contact Energy.

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Speaker 3: They're buying some of the leftover gas. A pathologist has

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Speaker 3: testified in the Polkinghorn trial today about the injuries on

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Speaker 3: Pauline Hannah's body, and Elon has interviewed Donald and Twitter

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Speaker 3: broke right at the wrong moment.

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Speaker 2: Heather d album.

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Speaker 3: You notice the reaction today to the government announcing that

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Speaker 3: the genetic engineering ban is going to be gone by

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Speaker 3: the end of next year. Have you noticed the outrage

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Speaker 3: just like pouring out all of this outrage? No, because

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Speaker 3: there is no outrage. Isn't that amazing? I mean, I

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Speaker 3: find this absolutely incredible. It was only twenty two years

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Speaker 3: ago that we as a country were flipping out about

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Speaker 3: genetic engineering. Do you remember that two thousand and two election.

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Speaker 3: It was lutely dominated by genetic engineering. Nicky Hago put

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Speaker 3: out that book the seeds of distrust, and then John

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Speaker 3: Campbell did the ambush corn Corngate interview on Halen Clark

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Speaker 3: she had to face question after question after question on

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Speaker 3: then twenty two years later, the current government does the

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Speaker 3: very thing that we were freaking out about, lifts the

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Speaker 3: ban and there's hardly a whimper. Isn't that remarkable? How

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Speaker 3: is it that we have gone from GE being the

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Speaker 3: be outraged about it today? And we can't really say

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Speaker 3: that this is not a defense to say we know

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Speaker 3: We now know that it might help us create animal

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Speaker 3: But in two thousand and two, other countries didn't know

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Speaker 3: is the next time someone tells us that this particular

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Speaker 3: for the rest of us is to go, yeah, probably not,

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Speaker 3: probably not worth freaking out quite that much. About The

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Speaker 3: pity is, of course we did freak out, and it

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Speaker 3: cost us. For example, we lost a research company, Lanzaitech

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Speaker 3: And it's cost our scientists in red tape and all

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Speaker 3: on the bright side, at least now in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 3: we're catching up. It's just the pity that it's twenty

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Speaker 3: two years too late. Together do for Sea ALT nine

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Speaker 3: two ninety two is the text number. Standard text fees

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Speaker 3: apply on that.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: One of Wellington's prominent girls' schools has been to close

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Speaker 3: apparently knew about this all the way back in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 3: of Wellington Girls, is with us now, Hey, Julia, sure,

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Speaker 3: how are you well? Thank you? When did you find out?

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Speaker 4: I found out in April.

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Speaker 4: We were sent a document, a ministery document that was

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Speaker 4: And it was like, oh, crikey, what have we got here.

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Speaker 4: That's when we started asking some questions.

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Speaker 3: And what did they say to you? When you ask questions?

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Speaker 4: They we asked them if they would get a report

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Speaker 3: Now they say they actually did tell you guys beforehand,

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Speaker 3: but maybe they just didn't tell you. Does that pass

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Speaker 4: I don't. We have no record of being told that.

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Speaker 4: They certainly did talk to us about issues in that

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Speaker 4: It'll be the next twenty years. But by then, actually

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Speaker 4: That was that sort of general level conversation, so it

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Speaker 3: Ministry of Education's head of Property Sam Fowler, says it

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, which included advice about the Brook block being

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Speaker 4: Definitely, there were definitely conversations to do with earthquakes, earthquake

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Speaker 4: They came in, they talked to us, they talked through

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Speaker 4: the program they were going to implement to make that right,

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Speaker 4: were fantastic communications all about that. There was, I mean

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Speaker 4: So it's about the same years apparently the thing has happened.

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Speaker 4: We were a really already dealing with this other big

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Speaker 4: I just think it got lost somewhere. Then we knew

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Speaker 3: He also says that the building is still safe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Again, I think this is engineering language. So it's

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Speaker 4: very very low, and both engineer reports engineer's reports say that,

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Speaker 4: and the board accepts that advice. But there's a separate

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Speaker 4: part that follows it, which is that sure, the seismic

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Speaker 4: the consequences of that would be severe. And so the

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Speaker 4: prepared to take that risk. No, they're not a step

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Speaker 4: it's not the whole lot, by the way, it's just

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Speaker 3: Julia, thank you. I appreciate a best of luck dealing

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Speaker 3: with the Ministry of Education. This is the Ministry of Education.

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Speaker 3: Julia Davidson, the Wellington Girls College principal. Hey, apparently we

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Speaker 3: won the Olympics. I'm just going every time this comes up,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to bring it to your attention because why not,

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Speaker 3: why won't we just keep We've got to keep reveling

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Speaker 3: the UK. They've run an article with the headline who

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Speaker 3: really won the Olympics twenty twenty four and then under

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Speaker 3: the overachievers it's US athletes from New Zealand logged an

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Speaker 5: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: We won the Olympics. We are the Olympics champions. We

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Speaker 3: are the support crew. We get to I don't have

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Speaker 3: a gold, You don't have a gold, but whether they

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Speaker 3: couldn't have done it without us? We paid for it,

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Speaker 3: so we're part of it.

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Speaker 2: Quarter past figuring deep of the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's hither duper c Allen drave with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: one give leap for business, US talk sport with tab

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Speaker 3: Heather rubbish, I'm outraged. That's from Tony. That's th ree

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Speaker 3: the ge engineering. This is at least one person still

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Speaker 3: outraged about it, still holding on to it for twenty

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Speaker 3: two years. Got on your tony eighteen past four Darcy

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Speaker 3: Watergrave sports talk hosters of me, Hey Dars.

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Speaker 5: The outdrage from ot Rahunger.

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Speaker 3: Worry isn't naming about it?

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Speaker 2: Is Sean Johnson in the squad?

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Speaker 6: Well, it looks like he's going to be back. He

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Speaker 6: when you look at what happened on Sunday, if you

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Speaker 3: It was such a good game though, and they made

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Speaker 6: But yeah they did, they did, but will not look

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Speaker 2: You made a great effort.

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Speaker 3: Come back though? No, that's true, but.

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Speaker 6: Weeks saying you know they've lost five four, five six

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Speaker 5: And sport is pretty standard, right, You win or you lose.

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Speaker 6: You test cricket, but your win or you lose, and

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Speaker 6: that is your judgment at the end of the day.

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Speaker 6: That's what you're judged on. If you can't get the

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Speaker 6: I hate Golden Point.

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Speaker 2: It's pointless.

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Speaker 3: See, I watched that game and I thought that this

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Speaker 3: squad has got so much magic in it if they

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Speaker 3: can just do this more consistently, because that comeback was extraordinary.

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Speaker 6: It was, and I've had a lot of those comeback.

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Speaker 6: So where was that effort started the game? Why do

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Speaker 6: they keep coming back.

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Speaker 3: When it doesn't matter and it's got.

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Speaker 6: Precisely we need more of this all the time. And

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Speaker 6: I suppose when you look at the side, it's Sean Johnson,

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Speaker 6: welcome back, and maybe Adam Pompy back because we need

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Speaker 6: someone who can kick, because bless you, Harris de Vita.

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Speaker 6: But right at the end when it accounts, you cannot

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Speaker 6: score the points and that's what you want, and you

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Speaker 6: had a couple of that don't work, and that's not

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Speaker 6: his job, right, But we need someone actually boot. There's

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Speaker 6: a few people, I think Montoya possibly on their way back.

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Speaker 6: So that team comes.

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Speaker 6: Tonight and I don't know, I've gone of the Olympics.

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Speaker 6: Have just sucked all my energy out of any other sport?

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Speaker 3: Can I bring the calm games that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Very quickly on the sport and the All Blacks and

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Speaker 11: As much as I like.

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Speaker 9: Congratulations. I just looked at the number of people that

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Speaker 1: A way International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace

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Speaker 3: Old Ozzie correspondents with US Now, Hey Mass, very good afternoon, Hea.

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Speaker 10: film like Tom cruise Foot he comes straight from Paris

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Speaker 10: to Kens and fin North Queensland. Because it was just

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Speaker 10: this bizarre scene a star helicopter we understand, crashing onto

444
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Speaker 10: the roof of the pub was that a pub, it's

445
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Speaker 10: upmarket hotel. Four hundred people had to be evacuated. The

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Speaker 10: wreckage written that is now removed. I mean they had

447
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Speaker 10: a rotor blade end up in a swimming pool down below,

448
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Speaker 10: other parts that were strewn on the street below. What

449
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Speaker 10: they've done is removed the wreckage. They've taken the flight

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Speaker 10: recording devices off that aircraft and various bits and pieces.

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Speaker 10: We understand they are only way to Canberra, where this

452
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Speaker 10: kind of stuff is analyzed and evaluated here in Australia.

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Speaker 10: They've yet to identify the pilot. The pilot died of

454
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Speaker 10: course in the crash. I mean the thing burst into

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Speaker 10: flames on the roof of the hotel. So reports suggests

456
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Speaker 10: he was a former employee of Nautilus Aviation. This is

457
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Speaker 10: the company that's already said the helicopter was stolen, apparently

458
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Speaker 10: removed from a hanger and flown away. So look a

459
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Speaker 10: little bit more detail coming out. We still didn't know

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Speaker 10: who a person at the controls was. We may find

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Speaker 10: that out in the next twenty four to forty eight hours.

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Speaker 3: All right, Mars, listen, I see there's a push to

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Speaker 3: ban the gambling ads on Free to Ear telling what

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Speaker 3: are the chances that actually happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck, good luck.

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Speaker 10: I mean the gambling industry in this country maybe the

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Speaker 10: same over home. It's so powerful. Neither side, mainstream political

468
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Speaker 10: side in this country has got the guts to take

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Speaker 10: it on. Heather. The cross bench is saying, you've got

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Speaker 10: a ban gaming advertising online. Independents are saying the same thing.

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Speaker 10: Health experts are saying the same thing. Get rid of

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Speaker 10: these dreadfully ads that are non stop on your television

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Speaker 10: when sports is on. Well, Bill Shorten's belled the cat.

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Speaker 10: Bill Shorten, of course, a very senior government minister over here.

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Speaker 10: He told the ABC a big it's a current affairs

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Speaker 10: TV show that goes to where nationally Monday night, he said,

477
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Speaker 10: guess what. Free to wear television in this country is

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Speaker 10: in such bad shape it needs that gaming revenue to survive.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 10: Critics are saying, you are kidding, what a pathetic thing

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Speaker 10: to say. A very big inquiry that's come down banned advertising.

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Speaker 7: And I heard one guy.

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Speaker 10: This morning say it's just like we used to have

484
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Speaker 10: tobacco ads sponsoring rugby league and rugby union and goodness

485
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Speaker 10: knows why, but they banned advertising of tobacco. But guess what,

486
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Speaker 10: people still kept smoking. He said, exactly, the same thing

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Speaker 10: will happen. We just won't be exposing ten year old

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Speaker 10: kids to gambling ads. They know what a quality is,

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Speaker 10: they know what you know, like a cornella is at

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Speaker 10: ten years old. You're kidding, I don't know. The gambling

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Speaker 10: industry is saying, oh, look, no, no, no, no, we

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Speaker 10: need this. We need to position these these ads like

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Speaker 10: this and guess what they donate big time to big parties.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to change, Heather, No, it's not. When

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Speaker 3: there's money involved, it's not going to change. Listen these allegations, right,

496
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Speaker 3: but there's a toxic culture and commercial TV. Are we

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Speaker 3: blaming this on the lack of unionism.

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Speaker 10: Well, I know that's I haven't heard that in the

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Speaker 10: last twenty four hours. But boy, oh boy, there was

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Speaker 10: an explosive show last night on again in the ABC

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Speaker 10: National Television. But it's a bit like you know, I mean,

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Speaker 10: commercial television has been out there in the public eye

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Speaker 10: for decades. Of course, we've already had nine exposed with

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Speaker 10: that ex news director walking away with a million dollars

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Speaker 10: apparently touchy feely and creepy. We've had ten. Well, you know,

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Speaker 10: go no further than Bruce Lherman and Britney Higgins. And

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Speaker 10: now we've got Channel seven exposed, according to the ABC,

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Speaker 10: as a place so toxic that some employees were considering suicide,

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Speaker 10: that young female workers were regularly sexually harassed, oppositioned, you know,

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Speaker 10: and the critics routinely muzzled Heather with lifetime non disclosure

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Speaker 10: agreements for fear of getting busted and caught. It's a

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Speaker 10: very very unhealthy picture of commercial television over here, where

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Speaker 10: the only thing it seems to matter, mate, is getting

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Speaker 10: the story first. And if people are bruised and battered

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Speaker 10: and kicked to the sidewalk as they go through life

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Speaker 10: or big buddy deal, no one seems to care.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mars, listen, thank you very much for talking us

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Speaker 3: through to appreciate it. As Muriel's AOSI correspondent, there is

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Speaker 3: an allegation that the reason that commercial TV news is

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Speaker 3: such a toxic workplace is because proprietors of actively discouraged unionism,

521
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Speaker 3: allowing bad behavior to flourish. This is obviously an allegation

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Speaker 3: that's been made by a union. Of course, they would

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Speaker 3: let me just tell you quickly without naming names. I've

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Speaker 3: worked in a bunch of places. Frankly at my age,

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Speaker 3: who hasn't, Like most of us, have worked in various

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Speaker 3: for various employers across our industries. By now, the place

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Speaker 3: that hands down had the worst culture was the place

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Speaker 3: that was heavily unionized. Can't explain it, but I don't

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Speaker 3: believe there is a I don't believe lack of unionism

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Speaker 3: creates a great culture or the other like, I don't

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Speaker 3: think there's a relationship. In fact, if I had to

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Speaker 3: current current employer in z ME, not many, am I right?

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Speaker 3: Not many union members here?

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Speaker 9: Huh?

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Speaker 3: Why are you scrunching your face up? Ants you think

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Speaker 3: there are?

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Speaker 14: Maybe it's like half half Oregon, you.

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Speaker 3: Reckons half half. Oh that's a perfect max. It's a

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Speaker 3: great place to work. So what you want is the

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Speaker 3: perfect half half. You don't want too much unionism or

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Speaker 3: too lettle. You just want half half and then it's nice.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, aim for that Quarter two.

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Speaker 1: Politics was centrics. Credit, check your customers and get payments certainty?

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Speaker 3: Right, Barry Soap, our senior political correspondence with me. Hey Barry,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon, Heather. So what do you make of the

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Speaker 3: ban on genetic engineering being lifted. I mean, would you

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Speaker 3: have if I had said this to you in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty two that we would lift it by twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 3: would you have expected an outcry?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely?

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 8: You remember, way back when Helen Clark was the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 8: there was corn Gate and that was that. There came

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Speaker 8: about my book with our old mate Nicky Hargar, Seeds

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Speaker 8: of Distrust, Seeds of Distrust, and he claimed that in

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Speaker 8: two thousand the Clerk government had tried to cover up

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Speaker 8: a breach of the country's environmental laws following the importation

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Speaker 8: accidental planting of thirty thousand genetically modified sweet corned seeds.

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Speaker 8: And I remember, you know, at the time this genetic

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Speaker 8: modification thing was so big in the psyche of New Zealand.

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Speaker 8: I remember talking about two headed fish and how they'd

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Speaker 8: be much easier to care.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I mean we were led to believe that life as

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Speaker 8: we know it was about to change. And now we

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Speaker 8: see Chris Luxon coming out today saying that the effect

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Speaker 8: of ban on gene editing would be scrapped by the

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Speaker 8: end of next year. And so well it should be,

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Speaker 8: because you look at our crops. For example, we stop

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Speaker 8: cows from burping. You know, they've got to be genetically modified. Well,

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Speaker 8: I've got these scientists who should be able to look

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Speaker 8: at them to see how they can modify these crops

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Speaker 8: to stop that sort of thing. And that's just one

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Speaker 8: small example. But you can't stand in the way of science.

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Speaker 8: And even though twenty years ago the outcry was there,

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Speaker 8: I think people have probably just got used to the

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Speaker 8: fact that science has tried John and the country and

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Speaker 8: the environment as a result actually gets better. What about

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Speaker 8: nuclear power? That's the next thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, maybe I just wonder if next time, like

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Speaker 3: I just wonder if if we can see now the

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Speaker 3: ge thing for what it was, which was largely media hysteria.

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Speaker 3: Oh totally, And maybe we're.

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Speaker 8: You've even got the Greens now saying about the announcement

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Speaker 8: today that they believe there should be debate, robust public discussion.

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Speaker 8: They said on it now they would have been so well,

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Speaker 8: I remember they were so vehemently opposed to it in

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Speaker 8: the day. But now they're saying, okay, let's have a

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Speaker 8: discussion about this. Well, you know, it's taken a long time,

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Speaker 8: but finally I guess we've got there.

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Speaker 3: Have you watched the Donald Trump interview.

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Speaker 8: Oh well, I spent far too much time listening to

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Speaker 8: it on Next Today.

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Speaker 3: Did you learn anything? No, I didn't never learn to interviewer?

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Speaker 8: Or is he just he was just there singing Donald

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Speaker 8: Trump's praise, just a broman And even though Trump, I

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Speaker 8: got an email, of course, an hour before the interview

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Speaker 8: from Donald Trump saying that well it was twenty four hours.

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Speaker 8: It was yesterday, saying that it's twenty four hours until

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Speaker 8: the interview of the century. As he built it, he

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Speaker 8: says he's back on X for a short time. It's

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Speaker 8: the old Twitter with none other than Elon Musk. So

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Speaker 8: we and I've got to say, when I was listening

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Speaker 8: to it, there are a million people listening to it

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Speaker 8: at the time. But Donald Trump he said, look, there

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Speaker 8: are great battles to come, and the selfless man told

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Speaker 8: Musk he's putting his country before himself.

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Speaker 2: I didn't need it.

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Speaker 9: I had a nice life. I have great locations and

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Speaker 9: beautiful oceans that I have places. You know, this was

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Speaker 9: but I felt it was important and if I had,

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Speaker 9: if I had to do it over again, you probably

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Speaker 9: think I'm crazy for doing it. Actually, but if I

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Speaker 9: had to do it over again, I would have done

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Speaker 9: it over again because this is so much more important

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Speaker 9: than me or my life. This is we're going to

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Speaker 9: save this country. This country is going down and these

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Speaker 9: people are bad people that were running against and their liars.

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Speaker 9: They make statements, they they do things that are so bad.

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Speaker 9: They say they're going to make a strong border. They

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Speaker 9: say they've been great on the border, and they've been

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Speaker 9: the worst in history.

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Speaker 12: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 8: So he would say that this election, and he did

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Speaker 8: say it in the interview, was the most important election

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Speaker 8: in the history.

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Speaker 2: Of the world.

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Speaker 3: In the world.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, in the world, that's the most important election.

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Speaker 15: So listen.

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Speaker 3: The reform of the Crown Maori Affairs Office. What is

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Speaker 3: this thing called Tarafi? What's it called ti okay not?

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Speaker 3: We were expecting a shutdown of the whole thing and

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Speaker 3: that hasn't happened.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 8: Speculation was certainly rife in the past week, and I've

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Speaker 8: been reading about it that the future of Tipuna, Corcar

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Speaker 8: and Tiraffiti was going to be merged. One to our

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Speaker 8: raffiti would be folded into the Ministry of Justice, to

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Speaker 8: Punakoku would be allowed but be peered back significantly. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: we got a statement from Tama Poltucker, the minister.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Today, and I've got to say, reading towards the end

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Speaker 8: of it, I didn't quite understand what it was all about.

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Speaker 8: But they're not going to be merged. They're going to

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Speaker 8: be Terrafiti. It'll remain the department agency to continue. It's

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Speaker 8: a treaty of Tongi's settlements and to Punicoku will advise

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Speaker 8: the government on policy and he said support the acceleration

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Speaker 8: of Murray economic development. Well that's what they've been doing.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 8: So I don't know why the announcement yet.

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Speaker 3: Today, Barry, thank you, appreciate that. By the way, it's

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Speaker 3: called the Mardi Crown Relations Office. Barry Sooper, Senior political correspondent,

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Speaker 3: coming up seven away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the might asking breakfast.

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Speaker 16: Trystph Lecksin's with us the congestion, not that I'm against it,

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Speaker 16: but to suggest, assuming and did yesterday, it's not about

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Speaker 16: raising revenue was simply not true.

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Speaker 2: Because it raised revenue.

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Speaker 17: H yeah, or it raises revenue and that'll be used

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Speaker 17: on transport infrastructure and it can't be used on pet

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Speaker 17: projects and silly stuff. But the real reason for it,

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Speaker 17: and there's actually been all political parties over the last

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Speaker 17: two or three years have been very supportive of this

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Speaker 17: in parliament. Is that when you look around the world,

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Speaker 17: if you do it right, you can get an eight

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Speaker 17: to twelve percent reduction in congestion. So if you think

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Speaker 17: about school holidays in Auckland, that's about sort of what

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Speaker 17: that would look like when you look at the actual

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Speaker 17: time it takes per kilometer in Auckland versus say, similar

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Speaker 17: cities in Australia.

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Speaker 2: We've got a congestion problem.

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Speaker 16: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 16: the raindrobe of the Lame News talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Here the why is Trump listening? Trump is listening, as

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Speaker 3: I told you earlier, because it's the problems with the

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Speaker 3: feed that was caused by what a mask reckons. It

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Speaker 3: was an attack, a cyber attack that caused all of

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Speaker 3: the problems. Anyway, that's why it's so it all got

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Speaker 3: up a wet weird and that's why Trump sounds like

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Speaker 3: he's listening. Isn't listening? Listen? On the Polkinghorn trial, the

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Speaker 3: pathologist has appeared in court today and talked about the

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Speaker 3: bruises and stuff on Pauline Hannah's body. There was an

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Speaker 3: abrasion on the bridge of her nose and her back,

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Speaker 3: a cluster of bruising on the back of her right arms.

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Speaker 3: She was bleeding from the year and so on. We're

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Speaker 3: going to talk to Chelsea Daniels who was in court

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Speaker 3: for it. She'll be with us TENPUS five. Unfortunately, the

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Speaker 3: brain drain is still continuing in this country. The latest

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Speaker 3: migration numbers have come out today, so we've got some

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Speaker 3: Kiwis coming back, which is fantastic. About twenty five thousand

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Speaker 3: came home in the year to June, but eighty thousand left.

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Speaker 3: And so what that leaves you with is a net

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Speaker 3: loss of fifty five thousand, three hundred Kiwis in the

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Speaker 3: year to June, and more than half went to was

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Speaker 3: He still the preferred destination. Now, just to give you

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Speaker 3: an idea of how big fifty five thousand, three hundred is,

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Speaker 3: compare that to what was happening the last time we

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Speaker 3: set records, that was February twenty twelve. We lost forty

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Speaker 3: four thousand, four hundred overseas as a net loss. That

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Speaker 3: was the biggest number. So fifty five beats it by

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Speaker 3: quite a lot. And look, the thing is, this will

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Speaker 3: keep going as long as we're in this economic slump

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Speaker 3: because obviously the grass is greener on the other side,

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Speaker 3: and then it'll probably continue for a while thereafter. So

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Speaker 3: get used to this happening. Pretty sad still, but unfortunately

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Speaker 3: not a lot we can do about it until we

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Speaker 3: turn this ship around. After the news, let's talk to

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Speaker 3: Contact Energy about buying gas from Ethnex.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, by the facts, and give the analysis

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Speaker 1: together due to Zeeland Drive with one New Zealand, let's

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Speaker 1: get connected a news talk as they'd.

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Speaker 3: Be good afternoon. So we have yet another casualty of

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Speaker 3: the high power prices. The country's largest gas user, methan X,

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Speaker 3: has stopped production until the end of October because there

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Speaker 3: just simply isn't enough gas to go around. It's going

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Speaker 3: to sell the gas that it would have used instead

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Speaker 3: to Contact Energy and Genesis. And Mike Fusia is the

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Speaker 3: chief executive of Contact Energy with us nowhy.

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Speaker 15: Mike, hi adam, I'm well.

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Speaker 3: Thank you how much you're paying for the gas?

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Speaker 15: I can't say that that's obviously commercially sensitive, but we're

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Speaker 15: paying a fair price for the gas given my circumstances.

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Speaker 3: Are you paying more for the gas than you pages

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Speaker 3: on the open market?

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Speaker 15: Well, the open market has been as fifty dollars as AGJ,

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Speaker 15: So no, we're not paying probably not paying that much,

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Speaker 15: but we're paying a fair price.

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Speaker 7: It's fair to.

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Speaker 3: Say any idea how much this is going to cost

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Speaker 3: the country because obviously we're going to lose, right, because

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Speaker 3: they're not exporting any methanol.

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Speaker 15: Now look for the bulk of New Zealanders, it won't

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Speaker 15: affect them in any way. Form of fashion as a

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Speaker 15: market lip and the wholesale market. Ninety five percent of

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Speaker 15: Kiwi homes and businesses are on they're not on time

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Speaker 15: of use contracts, they're not exposed to the wholesale spot market.

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Speaker 15: And what our focus has been on making sure that

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Speaker 15: those entities that have exposure is calming the market down

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Speaker 15: through deals like this and just getting on with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean you would accept that the country loses,

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Speaker 3: right if we're not exporting methanol from methanex.

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Speaker 15: The country does end up losing some export earnings, but ultimately,

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Speaker 15: if in the long term we've found a way that

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Speaker 15: will secure methnex his future here through its ability to

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Speaker 15: flex like this, just like the smelter, that's actually a

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Speaker 15: win long term for New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that's a fair point. Does this mean that

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Speaker 3: we're going to avoid spring outages?

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Speaker 15: Absolutely? In terms of the security of supply, that's where

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Speaker 15: our focus is at the moment, and we're very confident

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Speaker 15: that we'll be able to see the country through.

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Speaker 3: Is it going to bring down the prices that we're

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Speaker 3: paying currently for electricity and talking about the spot prices obviously.

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Speaker 15: Oh, the spot prices will come off. You've already seen

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Speaker 15: in the futures market, which we have is that the

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Speaker 15: futures market has calmed down considerably.

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Speaker 7: A year out.

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Speaker 15: It's come down I understand about forty to fifty dollars

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Speaker 15: and so you're seeing everything starting to calm down.

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Speaker 3: Now, are we going to have to do this next winter?

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Speaker 15: Well, look, we sincerely hope not. We've got a couple

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Speaker 15: of power stations which should be online by then. We've

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Speaker 15: got the demand flex in both Method X and the smelter,

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Speaker 15: and if we can continue to develop those demand flexes

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Speaker 15: from margin industry, and we should see I think there's

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Speaker 15: a couple more wind farms coming on and if we

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Speaker 15: get the reins we need, I think next winter should

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Speaker 15: be fine.

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Speaker 3: Mike, thank you very much, really appreciated. Mike Fu's chief

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Speaker 3: executive of Contact.

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Speaker 2: Energy Together Duper Sye Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Today the courts heard more about the injuries found in

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Speaker 3: Pauline Hannah's body after she died and wire mark seemingly disappeared.

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Speaker 3: We're into the third week of the trial of Philip Pulkinghorn,

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Speaker 3: who's accused of murdering his wife. Now he maintains it

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Speaker 3: with suicide. Chelsea Daniels has been following the trial for

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Speaker 3: US and it is with us now. Hey, Chelsea, I

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Speaker 3: am Today we heard from the pathologist who did Paulin's autopsy.

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Speaker 3: What did he say?

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Speaker 18: Well, Doctor Kelak Kesher did Hannah's post mortem on April sixth,

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Speaker 18: twenty twenty one, the day after she was reported dead,

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Speaker 18: and there was an abrasion on the bridge of her

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Speaker 18: nose and her back and a cluster of bruising on

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Speaker 18: her back of her right arm, and she was bleeding

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Speaker 18: from the ear. Small pin point hamorrhages or contusions were found,

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Speaker 18: and they're commonly seen when there's an obstruction of the

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Speaker 18: neck veins. Kesher said he had seen a belt impression

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Speaker 18: on the neck at the scene, a criss cross pattern

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Speaker 18: on the right side, and an officer alerted him to

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Speaker 18: a belt found.

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Speaker 3: He said it looked identical with he's.

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Speaker 19: Taken at the post mortem.

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Speaker 6: Yes, this is taken out of the post mortem roughly

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Speaker 6: twenty hours later.

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Speaker 2: And as you can see, there is no markings left.

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Speaker 19: Right, So the markings have gone away to some greater

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Speaker 19: or lesser extent.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what does that suggest to you? Was there any

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Speaker 2: bruising underneath the skin?

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Speaker 6: No, there was no bruising under the skin or in

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Speaker 6: the muscles of the neck.

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Speaker 2: And what does that suggest to your?

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Speaker 1: Term?

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Speaker 5: Much that there was an object, most likely the belt

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Speaker 5: on the neck.

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Speaker 2: After death.

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Speaker 18: That's compelling, right, But pretty much immediately after defense lawyer

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Speaker 18: Ron Mansfield began his cross examination, he got Kasher to

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Speaker 18: concede the belt could have been used in her death

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Speaker 18: then removed shortly after she.

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Speaker 19: Died, And if it had been removed one to two,

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Speaker 19: perhaps longer hours after her death, then that might also explain,

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Speaker 19: might it not? Why it was seen on the fifth

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Speaker 19: but it wasn't seen on the sixth.

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Speaker 10: It's possible, but I would say it's less than two hours.

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Speaker 19: Well, we can agree the time period might be one

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Speaker 19: to two hours, couldn't we It's possible, yes, Well, both

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Speaker 19: possibilities are equal, aren't they.

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Speaker 7: Yes.

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Speaker 20: So the.

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Speaker 19: Absence of the belt impression by the time you do

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Speaker 19: the autopsy on the sixth simply means one of two things.

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Speaker 19: Perhaps it was placed on her neck after her death, yes,

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Speaker 19: Or she was discovered dead and it was removed one

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Speaker 19: to two hours following her death. Yes, And you can't

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Speaker 19: tell us, can you which one of those is more

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Speaker 19: likely than the other.

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Speaker 3: That's they can't Chelsea. What about those injuries that you

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Speaker 3: mentioned earlier.

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Speaker 18: So those pinpoint hemorrhages, for example, could be a result

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Speaker 18: of suicide by hanging. Bruises on her right arm, which

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Speaker 18: he earlier said were consistent with being grabbed, were difficult

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Speaker 18: to gauge and age actually and how, and could have

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Speaker 18: been caused by perhaps her being steadied by a personal

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Speaker 18: trainer at the gym. It's also hard to say when

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Speaker 18: the abrasion on her nose happened, but Kasha did say

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Speaker 18: it happened before or about her death. They spent a

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Speaker 18: lot of time going through what kind of defensive wounds

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Speaker 18: you'd see in someone who was actually fighting for their life.

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Speaker 18: Scratches on the neck and on the assailant, we know

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Speaker 18: there aren't anything like these. There were injuries though, to

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Speaker 18: her head and for her nose example, for example, that

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Speaker 18: could have happened during an assault, but they could have

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Speaker 18: also happened by accident. You can never really tell.

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Speaker 3: So then what's the conclusion. How did she die?

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Speaker 18: Well, that's the whole crux of this case, Heather, isn't it.

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Speaker 18: The pathologist says, the neck compression he's noted as the

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Speaker 18: cause of death could have been anything from a multitude

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Speaker 18: of things, such as manual or ligature strangulation or partial

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Speaker 18: or full suspension hanging. The pathologists can't basically rule out

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Speaker 18: any of these, and he can't rule any in either

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Speaker 18: or definitively.

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Speaker 3: Say which one it was.

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Speaker 18: So that's why this case is so full of so

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Speaker 18: much circumstantial evidence. The jury has to decide whether it's

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Speaker 18: murder or suicide. The forensic and pathology evidence, as we've

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Speaker 18: just heard, isn't so black and white.

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Speaker 3: Chelsea, thanks for running us through it again. That's Chelsea Daniels,

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Speaker 3: our reporter who was in court for this fourteen past five.

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Speaker 3: Now a lot of people are asking why are so

864
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Speaker 3: many New Zealand businesses choosing to switch to BYD well

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Speaker 3: I can answer that for you. For a start, these

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Speaker 3: cars are a dream to drive. I was lucky enough

867
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Speaker 3: to visit the BYD New Zealand headquarters the other day.

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Speaker 3: I took both the BYDC Lions six and also the

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Speaker 3: Sharks out for a spin. The Shark six, by the way,

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Speaker 3: is the ute and it is cool and let me

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Speaker 3: tell you, these cars have set a new standard for

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Speaker 3: driving enjoyment. But also BYD's got an outstanding local, dedicated

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00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 3: support team based here in New Zealand, which means that

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Speaker 3: if anything goes wrong, there are actually real people that

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Speaker 3: you can talk to about it. Their warehouse is really

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Speaker 3: impressive as well. It's got thousands of BYD parts there,

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Speaker 2: Ever do for c Allen.

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Speaker 3: Eighteen past five, So Donald's done the interview with Elon.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately x or you know, Twitter crashed and thousands of

889
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Speaker 3: users had to listen to this for more than forty minutes.

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Speaker 3: I going to give you six seconds. Imagine forty minutes now,

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Speaker 3: US correspondent a feature story News Nick Harper, listen to

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Speaker 3: the whole thing.

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Speaker 12: Heinik Hi Haddah.

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Speaker 3: Nick Elon Musk says it was a cyber attack that

895
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Speaker 3: caused the technical glitch.

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Speaker 20: Do we know if that's true, Well, we don't to

897
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Speaker 20: this stage. I mean that's what he's saying, that's what's

898
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Speaker 20: being put out online. Undoubtedly people are going to look

899
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Speaker 20: into this to see if it was the case. But

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Speaker 20: he also said they'd done plenty of testing in recent

901
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Speaker 20: days to ensure that something like this didn't happen. They

902
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Speaker 20: even suggested during the course of the conversation at one

903
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Speaker 20: point that potentially the Democrats were behind it to stop

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Speaker 20: Republican Donald Trump from making it onto the airways.

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Speaker 2: And did we.

906
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Speaker 3: Actually get anything out of this interview or was it

907
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Speaker 3: just an opportunity for Donald Trump to ramble through the

908
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Speaker 3: usual stuff.

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Speaker 20: I don't think it's more of the latter. That so

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Speaker 20: many of his usual talking points were essentially ticked off.

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Speaker 20: It was like a stump speech. He was given free reign.

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Speaker 20: It was not a probing interview. It was very much

913
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Speaker 20: an opportunity for him to speak about what he wanted

914
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Speaker 20: to speak about, and therefore he went along very similar

915
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Speaker 20: lines to the type of things that we normally hear.

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Speaker 3: So would you describe the relationship between Donald Trump and

917
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Speaker 3: Elon Muskers a bromance?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, undoubtedly, which is kind of strange because there has

919
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Speaker 20: been this evolution in the last year or so. He

920
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Speaker 20: switched allegiance. He was a Democrat, he got disenchanted with Biden.

921
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Speaker 20: He was supporting Donald Trump's rival Ron Descantis to Florida

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Speaker 20: governor until he dropped out. But now he's fully backing

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Speaker 20: Trump and very interesting to see that evolutionary shift between

924
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Speaker 20: that movement that he's made.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump has said that the invasion of Ukraine by

926
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Speaker 3: Putin wouldn't have happened if he was in charge, as

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Speaker 3: opposed to Joe Biden. I mean that seems like actually

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Speaker 3: he may have a fair argument there.

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Speaker 20: What do you think, Oh, it's interesting because they were

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Speaker 20: very much talking about this idea of having a strong

931
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Speaker 20: man as a president. Elon Musk was pushing Donald Trump

932
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Speaker 20: on this, saying that it was important to have an

933
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Speaker 20: intimidating president. He picked up up and he said that

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Speaker 20: he had pushed back against world leaders, even suggesting as

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Speaker 20: well that the current Israel Hamas conflict would not have

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Speaker 20: taken place if he had been president so very much,

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Speaker 20: saying that Biden was too weak, hadn't stood up to

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Speaker 20: world leaders and as a result, conflicts had been created.

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Speaker 3: Nick, what do you think it's going to take for

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Speaker 3: Trump to be able to get a bit of a

941
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Speaker 3: buzz around his campaign because Kamla's obviously stealing all the

942
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Speaker 3: limelight at the moment.

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Speaker 20: Well, the big hope was that this would create buzz

944
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Speaker 20: that we would out the back of this have huge

945
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Speaker 20: headlines for Donald Trump that Elon Musk for how well

946
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Speaker 20: it had gone for the news that he had made.

947
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Speaker 20: But really the headlines are dominated by the technical problems,

948
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Speaker 20: those glitches that everyone experienced at the start. I don't

949
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Speaker 20: think it's created that social media buzz that he was

950
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Speaker 20: hoping for. Because bear in mind, the social media space

951
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Speaker 20: is an area where Kamala Harris is excelling. Her team

952
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Speaker 20: has done very well to captivate and build momentum with

953
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Speaker 20: social media users. She's got a big Gen X following,

954
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Speaker 20: and Donald Trump, I guess was hoping to capitalize on this.

955
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Speaker 3: Oh, I see, hey, thank you so much. Nike really

956
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Speaker 3: appreciated it. Carp of the US Correspondent Features story news

957
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Speaker 3: hither are you planning on saying anything about the spineless

958
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Speaker 3: cowards at the Herald not bowing not only bowing to

959
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Speaker 3: the thugs veto, but attempting to justify their decision. Yes

960
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Speaker 3: we will. We'll get to that in attack five twenty two.

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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need

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Speaker 1: Heather duple c Allen drive with one New Zealand, let's

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Speaker 1: get connected and news talk.

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Speaker 3: As they'd be twenty four past five list and I'll

965
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Speaker 3: tell you what my fear is about this tougher approach

966
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Speaker 3: that the government's taking on beneficiaries. And my fear is

967
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Speaker 3: that while it may be popular right now the country

968
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Speaker 3: will lose its nerve at some point. That's what I'm

969
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Speaker 3: worried about. I don't know how it will happen, but

970
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Speaker 3: maybe the government, maybe the media will feed us a

971
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Speaker 3: diet of sob stories from beneficiaries who feel that they

972
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Speaker 3: are unfairly sanctioned or cut off from their benefits, and

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Speaker 3: they will actively start painting Louise Upston and the remainder

974
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Speaker 3: of the cabinet is heartless, and they will demand softer

975
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Speaker 3: treatment of beneficiaries and maybe we'll fall into line with

976
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Speaker 3: that and say, yeah, that's a really great idea. And

977
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Speaker 3: I can see that kind of already starting right now.

978
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Speaker 3: I mean that media reaction picked up last night. DeLuise

979
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Speaker 3: Upstin seems to have got a fact wrong in her

980
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Speaker 3: press conference yesterday, and the fact that she got that

981
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Speaker 3: single fact wrong was the angle of the three News

982
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Speaker 3: story that she got a fact role. So you can

983
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: see how that thing is starting already. Actually, if you

984
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Speaker 3: look at this, I mean just look at it objectively

985
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: without any emotion, the government is actually not being heartless

986
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 3: at all in what it's doing here. What it's asking

987
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 3: beneficiaries to do is not unreasonable. It's just basic stuff.

988
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Speaker 3: It's just reapply for your benefit every six months so

989
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 3: that if you don't need it, you're not getting it anymore.

990
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: Take part in the job interviews that wins sends your

991
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Speaker 3: way and asks you to take part and take the

992
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Speaker 3: jobs that are offered to you. If somebody goes, hey,

993
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Speaker 3: may I'm going to get you off the doll here,

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Speaker 3: come and pick some fruit from me or whatever, take

995
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: the job. What's unreasonable about that? I mean, flip it

996
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Speaker 3: on its head. Look at the counterfactual. If a beneficiary

997
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Speaker 3: is offered a job and goes nada want that job,

998
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Speaker 3: or if they go naha, I want to go to

999
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Speaker 3: that job interview, should they actually continue to get the

1000
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Speaker 3: benefit if they prefer to just sit on their benefit.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that that's a good idea. Now, all

1002
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: too often those of us who want to have a

1003
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Speaker 3: tougher line taken are painted as just beneficiary bashes. But

1004
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 3: actually it is not unreasonable for taxpayers who are giving

1005
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Speaker 3: people free money to help them out. It's not unreasonable

1006
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Speaker 3: for taxpayers to have expectations about how that money is spent.

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Speaker 3: It is your money, after all, you are entitled to

1008
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Speaker 3: have an expectation. Now, let's be clear, we're not talking

1009
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Speaker 3: about the vast majority of beneficiaries taking the mickey here.

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Speaker 3: There are one hundred and ninety six thousand beneficiaries on

1011
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Speaker 3: the job seeker. This is in the last quarter, and

1012
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: in that period, ten thousand of them were sanctioned. Right,

1013
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: it's a minority, but ten thousand is still quite a

1014
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Speaker 3: lot of beneficiaries, which means that's still a lot of money. Right,

1015
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Speaker 3: So it's worth the crackdown now. He is hoping this

1016
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Speaker 3: thing works. He is hoping that the guys out there

1017
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Speaker 3: who are taking the money, taking the mickey, get off

1018
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Speaker 3: the doll get jobs, get themselves better life prospects, and

1019
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Speaker 3: he is hoping the country holds its nerve even in

1020
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Speaker 3: the face of a whole bunch of people whinging about it.

1021
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Speaker 2: Would Heather do for sea als.

1022
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Speaker 3: Whether you say there's no opposition to genetic modification, really

1023
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Speaker 3: you should speak to numerous people on that topic in

1024
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Speaker 3: New Zealand. Well, I'll tell you what, I still don't

1025
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Speaker 3: think that there will be some people who are a

1026
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Speaker 3: little bit I don't want to eat this food, you know,

1027
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Speaker 3: at ale bit of that going on there. Of course,

1028
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Speaker 3: there is going to be some people. I mean, the

1029
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Speaker 3: entire Green Party exists, right, but it's nothing near what

1030
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Speaker 3: we saw in two thousand and two, which was the

1031
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Speaker 3: point I was trying to make. We'll have a chat

1032
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Speaker 3: to ad research. Are they're going to be with us

1033
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 3: just after the headlines, and yes, we are going to

1034
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Speaker 3: talk about this business with the Hobson's Pledge AD. If

1035
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Speaker 3: you haven't brought up on it, I'll catch you up.

1036
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Speaker 21: On it shortly.

1037
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Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1038
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Speaker 2: your car on your drive home.

1039
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: Hither dup to see Alan drive with one New Zealand

1040
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: let's get connected and you talk as they'd be.

1041
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Speaker 7: Right.

1042
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 3: Let's thought the huddles standing by it have a chat

1043
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 3: to us very shortly, and nears got itself a flash

1044
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 3: new computer. So hopefully the weather forecasts are going to

1045
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: get better and we'll have a chat to them after six. Okay,

1046
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 3: so let me tell you what's going on with the

1047
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: drama with the front page of the Herald. So last Wednesday,

1048
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 3: Hobson's Pledge, which is Don Brash's outfit, took out a

1049
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 3: front page ad or like the whole front page they

1050
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: wrap around the front page of the heralds or the

1051
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 3: new front page basically, and the ad was basically about

1052
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 3: the Foreshaw and Seabed debate which is kicking off again

1053
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: and as a result of that, the Mary Party went nuts.

1054
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Speaker 3: Of course they did, and they decided they were going

1055
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Speaker 3: to boycott not just Newstalk ZB. We've been under boycott

1056
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: for ages. I know, we're all grateful, but they were

1057
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Speaker 3: also going to boycott now the Herald journalists. And then

1058
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: there was extra pressure that was brought on the Herald

1059
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 3: and people getting very upset about the whole thing. And

1060
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Speaker 3: so now it turns out z ME, which is the

1061
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 3: company that owns The Herald and us here at news

1062
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Speaker 3: Talk ZB, has decided not to publish a second Hobson's

1063
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 3: Pledge AD tomorrow and it's going to review its policies

1064
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 3: about whether it does this in the future. People angry

1065
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 3: about this all over again. Actually, I don't think this

1066
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Speaker 3: should be on the front page. I have said this

1067
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Speaker 3: for a long time. I said this when Chris Luckxon's

1068
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Speaker 3: attack ad. Remember when the CTU took out the attack

1069
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Speaker 3: ad on Chris Luckxon during the election campaign and it

1070
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Speaker 3: was on the front page. And I said at the time,

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Speaker 3: this shouldn't be on the front page. It's too risky

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Speaker 3: for the Herald because it looks like an endorsement when

1073
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Speaker 3: it's on the front page, and too many people get

1074
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Speaker 3: annoyed and subscribers leave, people stop reading. Blah blah blah. Right,

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Speaker 3: put the ad in the paper by all means. Put

1076
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Speaker 3: the Hobson's Pledge ad inside the paper. Put the CTU

1077
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Speaker 3: attack ad inside the paper, but not on the front page.

1078
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Speaker 3: And I think if there is a disappointment in this,

1079
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 3: it's that the warning was there months ago, and the

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Speaker 3: bosses should have seen it when the CTU took out

1081
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Speaker 3: the attack ad, and they should have changed the policies

1082
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: then and then they could have avoided this, but they didn't.

1083
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Speaker 3: So now we find ourselves in this position. Anyway, we

1084
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Speaker 3: have a chat to the huddle when they're with us.

1085
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Speaker 3: Very shortly twenty three away from six Heather Duper see

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Speaker 3: Alan Science Minister Judith Collins is letting GE out of

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Speaker 3: the lab. She's vowed that the ban on GE is

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Speaker 3: going to be lifted by the end of next year.

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Speaker 3: Richard Scott is a research as science team leader and

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Speaker 3: with us. Now, hey, Richard, hi there, how do you

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Speaker 3: feel about this.

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Speaker 22: Looking forward to seeing what comes out of this new legislation,

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Speaker 22: comes out of these changes.

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Speaker 3: Right, what do you think there's going to be some

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Speaker 3: devil in the detail.

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Speaker 22: Oh, that's exactly what I think there's but look at

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Speaker 22: going by what's out there at the moment. It's going

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Speaker 22: to be good for science. It's going to allow science

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Speaker 22: and the laboratory to progress a lot faster. And then

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Speaker 22: in the next steps where we take it out of

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Speaker 22: the laboratory, we're going to be able to probably have

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Speaker 22: less well happily have less big paper and that sort

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Speaker 22: of thing to run through.

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Speaker 3: Are you working on stuff that you want to be

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Speaker 3: able to get out there and out of the lab?

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Speaker 20: Yes.

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Speaker 22: Tech Research has got at least three projects that we're

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Speaker 22: working on in terms of genetically modifying graphs that are

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Speaker 22: for farming, and we've already put forward an application to

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Speaker 22: trial that New Zealand that's been looking at the moment.

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Speaker 22: And we've got another couple that lined up ready to go.

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Speaker 3: Oh this is like the white clover. Yeah, that the

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Speaker 3: animals can eat and then they fart less.

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Speaker 22: That's one of the ones we've got. Yes, we've got

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Speaker 22: that one that's for animal health and less meeting. We've

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Speaker 22: got another one called rye grass, which is another common

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Speaker 22: grass which is the main grass ground in New Zealand.

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Speaker 22: With increased energy and then we've got generated indefites, which

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Speaker 22: are I've fung you that live within grasses are symbiotic,

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Speaker 22: and so we'll looking at editing then for less impact

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Speaker 22: on animal health but better protection against conteus.

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Speaker 3: Are you surprised, Richard, Like if you cast your mind

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Speaker 3: back to how we collectively lost our minds in two

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Speaker 3: thousand and two about corn Gate, are you surprised that

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Speaker 3: people are pretty chill about it in twenty twenty four?

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Speaker 22: No, I don't, not really. I think there's enough evidence

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Speaker 22: coming out now from overseas and that it's not the

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Speaker 22: big evil thing that everybody made it where everybody thought

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Speaker 22: it might be. The evidence that's coming out from it

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Speaker 22: being growing widely in many countries.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I take that point. But why is it

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Speaker 3: that in two thousand and two other countries were able

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Speaker 3: to deal with it in a mature way and we

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Speaker 3: freaked out?

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Speaker 22: I don't know. I think a lot of it is

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Speaker 22: around the New Zealanders. I can't understand it their perception

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Speaker 22: of it and a unique country and being very pretictive

1138
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Speaker 22: of it. So I could see that would be a

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Speaker 22: very strong.

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Speaker 3: And Yeah, and to our in our defense, I suppose

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00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 3: we do like our things we like whole food and

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Speaker 3: natural stuff, so maybe it's in our blood to just

1143
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 3: not wuck around with stuff too much. But Richard, thank

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Speaker 3: you very much. Best of Like with those projects, they

1145
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Speaker 3: sound cool. That's Richard Scott, a research science.

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Speaker 1: Team leader the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty

1147
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Speaker 1: Exceptional Marketing for every property with.

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Speaker 3: Me on the hardle We've got Patty Gower. His documentary

1149
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Speaker 3: is Paddy Gower or Nice and Tim Wilson of the Maximums.

1150
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Speaker 3: Did you hie? Lads?

1151
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Speaker 11: How there going very well?

1152
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 3: Thank you Patty you're there. I was worried that we'd

1153
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 3: lost you for a tech. It's going very well.

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Speaker 7: Now I'm here and still unemployed. I know you like

1155
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 7: to check in on that.

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00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like Paddy, you're about to

1157
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 3: be employed. But we will talk about this. We'll talk

1158
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 3: about this maybe later, maybe off fair. Oh, I don't

1159
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 3: want to be spiking the opposition too much. Tim, how

1160
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 3: what do you make of method X shutting down for

1161
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: two and a half months now?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it does seem like it does seem like the

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00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 11: sort of best response to a bad situation. But the

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Speaker 11: question is we'll let get us through winter, and and

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Speaker 11: what's next if we can't. I mean, you know, I

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00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 11: think that's problematic. What if we can't import more coal

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Speaker 11: for example. I don't know. I just feel like we're

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Speaker 11: in a situation. We look at energy security, if we

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Speaker 11: look at healthcare, if we look at education, infrastructure, et cetera.

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Speaker 11: Weel I feel like we're teaching on sort of second

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Speaker 11: world country food.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, Patty. I mean, do you get that feeling

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Speaker 3: if you are shutting down your biggest gas producer, which

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Speaker 3: is an export earner for us, You're shutting down mills

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Speaker 3: all the way up and down the country. That's pretty

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Speaker 3: second third world.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and you've got to think about it as well.

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Speaker 7: Methain X hasn't done this out of the goodness of

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Speaker 7: its heart or in some way half, But there'll be

1180
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Speaker 7: a deal in the background here. Somebody is paying somewhere

1181
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 7: for this deal to happen. And you know it's so

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Speaker 7: we're shutting down methin X, we're talking about importing gas

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Speaker 7: if we can. It does seem like a band aid

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Speaker 7: over a leaking energy pipeline, and it seems like a

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Speaker 7: real worry, and it just you know, if you don't

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00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 7: need if you're queuing for power, which is kind of

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Speaker 7: what we're starting to do. It's sort of we're starting

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Speaker 7: to rob Peter to pay Paul all over the country.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's only one thing beneath people queuing for

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Speaker 7: food and stuff like that. It's a mess, guys.

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Speaker 11: Actually method, the methodex is actually they're going to make

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Speaker 11: more dough doing this than by doing the normal business,

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Speaker 11: so they're expecting the actually profits are going to go up.

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Speaker 15: I'm not opposed to that.

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Speaker 11: I'm not opposed to that, but I'm the post of

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Speaker 11: the situation that takes you, Tim.

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Speaker 3: Is how much Contact and Genesis are paying for that gas? Therefore,

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Speaker 3: how much you the consumer are paying for that gas?

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Speaker 10: Right?

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Speaker 2: It's not cheap, but it's really expensive. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Patty, I was going to I was going to

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Speaker 3: ask Tim this, but I'm going to ask you this.

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Speaker 3: Who's who's to blame? Whose fault is it that we're

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Speaker 3: in this position?

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00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 7: Generations and generations of kiwis who have left the power

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Speaker 7: market sort of run while and no one has been

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00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 7: had the gas to get in and fix it. So

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00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 7: KWIS has stood by and not been able to understand

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Speaker 7: this and not been able to make it the political

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Speaker 7: issue that it needs to be. So what do we do?

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Speaker 7: What is the fact government after government has tripped kiwis

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Speaker 7: and tried to dodge it and whatnot, and we've been

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Speaker 7: left for the mess in the background that nobody speedy

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00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 7: clean up, need to get in rip the market to

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Speaker 7: pieces change it up. Have a telecon moment. That's that's it,

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Speaker 7: straightforward something I doubt it. I think we've got a

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00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 7: big talker there in Shane Jones. I've never seen him

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00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 7: actually do much. I don't think we've got to do this.

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00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 7: Do they have someone in there with the brains and

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00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 7: the manner to get in there and give it a

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Speaker 7: telecon moment? Or are they just going to dodge it

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00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 7: for another winter and leave it with this? I reckon

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Speaker 7: they'll dodge it.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 11: The fix is, Tim, It's a nuclear fusion plant in

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Speaker 11: the White Cuttle. It's going to cost a bunch of money.

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Speaker 11: It's going to cost a bunch of money, but it

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Speaker 11: will actually guarantee renewable clean energy for generations to come.

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Speaker 11: Let's debate it. At least let's debate it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Tim, you saw how we reacted to Cornngates

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Speaker 3: twenty years ago. How do you think we're going to

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Speaker 3: react to this? Come on us realistic?

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Speaker 11: Look, I tell you what. I'll tell you what though.

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Speaker 11: You know, we're probably going to get to the the

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Speaker 11: Hobson Pledge issue. But we've got this idea that there

1236
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 11: are just things that we can't discuss anymore. But not

1237
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 11: even anymore. We've just got this idea that are things

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00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 11: that we can't discuss. Maybe it's because we're a small society.

1239
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 11: We don't want to offend the neighbors. But we've got

1240
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 11: to be able to transact this stuff and publish in public.

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Speaker 11: Pardon me without crying.

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Speaker 20: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Actually, you make a really good point. All right, guys,

1244
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 3: we'll come back and we will discuss the hospital options.

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Speaker 3: Pleasure you very shortly quarter two.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Unparalleled Reach

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Speaker 1: and Results.

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Speaker 3: Back with the Huddle. Tim Wilson, Patty Gal All right, Tim,

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Speaker 3: what do you what do you think about this gene

1250
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Speaker 3: editing ban? Are you surprised of the lack of opposition?

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00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: You know what, you know, what's really interesting for me

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Speaker 11: is the support that sort of seems to be congealing

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00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 11: on the green side. So this this, what this says

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00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 11: to me is that the Green Party now no longer

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00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 11: is the party of the Corimandel Greens. It's the party

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Speaker 11: of the Auckland Central Greens. So I think that's that's

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00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 11: that's a big barometer.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree with you, Patty, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 7: I think we need to go crush a Colin's a

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00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 7: big pat on the back, but just getting them and

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Speaker 7: getting this thing done. I actually think the Greens, even

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Speaker 7: though they seem to be sort of working their way

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Speaker 7: around to support and too slow, too late. I mean

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Speaker 7: Corngate was decades ago labor as well, too slow, too late.

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Speaker 7: They need to be genetically modified themselves with some crush

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Speaker 7: of colins and come on board with something. Listen to

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Speaker 7: the scientists, listen to what the chat from every science

1269
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 7: was saying to you before. Let's get out, create some

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Speaker 7: grasses genetically modified and that give less methane and so

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Speaker 7: the climate change is should potentially I'm sorry that later

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Speaker 7: and the Greens are letting me down. Get out and

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00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 7: get out and support it, and thank you crusher Colins.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally. But the thing that I find surprising,

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Speaker 3: Tim is that Usually it takes us quite a long

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00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 3: time to completely flip our opinion on something. But twenty

1277
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Speaker 3: years to flip your opinion from two thousand and two,

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00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 3: where it almost caused Talon to come unstuck in that election,

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Speaker 3: to suddenly be absolutely chill about it is that's quite remarkable.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 11: You know, I think that suggests well the issue. The

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Speaker 11: issue is that people are just they're more comfortable with technology,

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Speaker 11: they're more comfortable with interventions in quote unquote nature. Now

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Speaker 11: I would say that's a trend. I don't know if

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Speaker 11: it's necessarily a good thing. And just you know, I

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Speaker 11: was discussing this with some of my colleagues, and you

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Speaker 11: know that they were breeding rats and the orts that

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Speaker 11: could glow in the dark. This is in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Did you read about this on a conspiracy website?

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Speaker 20: No?

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Speaker 11: I didn't, No, I didn't. My I talked to a

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Speaker 11: mate at work, who's who's who was at school in

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Speaker 11: Hamilton and as mate's dad was doing it at some laboratory.

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Speaker 7: Now I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Actually going on, well, I would love.

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Speaker 11: To be I would love to be able to glow

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Speaker 11: in the dark myself.

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Speaker 3: No, it's quite handy. Isn't it though, isn't it, Patty,

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Speaker 3: Because then if you've got that, like, if you're doing

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Speaker 3: peace control with the rats who are killing about, did

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Speaker 3: you just look for the glowing that little buggers get them?

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Speaker 7: It's useful for peace control, it actually really is, you know,

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Speaker 7: all joking aside, it's useful for all the stuff. But

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Speaker 7: for some idiotic reason, we've been sitting on our hands

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Speaker 7: over it's while the rest of the world has jumped ahead.

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Speaker 7: Apparently we've lost count of the young scientists that have

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Speaker 7: left the country because they just want to get on

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Speaker 7: with the job. And here we're still sitting here. Labor

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Speaker 7: in the Greens can't decide whether they're going to support

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Speaker 7: Crusher coins or not. Genetically modify Crusher and start to

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Speaker 7: put her inside the Greens and labor, and we will

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Speaker 7: have a better country.

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Speaker 3: Genetically modify her and twenty of her around the cabinet

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Speaker 3: table everything.

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Speaker 7: Yeah today here and put a next thort a few

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Speaker 7: kiwis as well, and we'll all be having a much

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Speaker 7: more exciting life. I know what we can do.

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Speaker 11: We can solve our demographic crisis by gene editing a

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Speaker 11: racist superhumans. Oh wait, I've already got for of those.

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Speaker 11: I wonder how Lord anyway.

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Speaker 3: Post you're weird? Hey, Tim, do you think the HEROD

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Speaker 3: should have taken the Hobson's Pledge money to put the

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Speaker 3: aid on the front page?

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Speaker 20: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: I take your point about the front page. It's different,

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Speaker 11: But having said that, it's still it's an ad. It's

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Speaker 11: visibly an ad. It's not a story, it's not an editorial,

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Speaker 11: even it's by Hobson's pledge. You know what you're getting,

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Speaker 11: you stal it is it's assuming that there's this whole

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Speaker 11: complacent group of people who just absorb what they see

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Speaker 11: and they believe it all. I mean, we're actually, and

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Speaker 11: there have been surveys of this, we're very suspicious of

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Speaker 11: social media. I think we can manage ourselves in this area.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I reckon the front page is different. Patty,

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Speaker 3: I reckon you don't take the money from Hobson's pledge,

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Speaker 3: You don't take the money from the c to you.

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Speaker 3: You just leave that to retailers or nothing at all.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, totally. I think if you hear the duplice, Allen

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Speaker 7: was the CEO of ended me or on the executive

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Speaker 7: or on the board. You know, you guys wouldn't have

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Speaker 7: done it again after what happened with the CTU. But

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Speaker 7: I've got to say it is a lobby group not

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Speaker 7: allowed to take out an ad in a newspaper.

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Speaker 11: In the newspaper, not on it's not not on the

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Speaker 11: front page. I think that's I think that's a good point, Heather.

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Speaker 11: But I am you know what, I relish the irony

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Speaker 11: of t Party Mary saying that the Hill was promoting misinformation.

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Speaker 11: And this is from a group that, when the anti

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Speaker 11: smoking legislation was being rolled back, accused National of systemic genocide.

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Speaker 3: Ah yeah, good point, Tim. I mean nobody needs any

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Speaker 3: lessons on misinformation from the Maori Party. Guys, great to

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Speaker 3: have you on. Thank you very much. Patty Gower is

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Speaker 3: on Ice. Part two is tonight on three at seven o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Help the guy out. As you heard, he's still unemployed.

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Speaker 3: And Tim Wilson Maxim Institute seven away from six on

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Speaker 3: your smart.

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Speaker 2: Speaker, on the iHeart app and in your car on

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Speaker 2: your drive home.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Allen drive with one New Zealand one giant

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Speaker 1: Leap for Business News Talk z BE.

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Speaker 3: See here's the problem with what the Herald's done with

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Speaker 3: the ad. On the front page.

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Speaker 4: Heither.

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Speaker 3: I've just officially canceled all subscription to the New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Herald today after learning they've refused to run Hobson's pledge

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Speaker 3: ads tomorrow. I can't bring myself to pay for their

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Speaker 3: part nonsense anymore. That's from James. So what's happened is

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Speaker 3: you take the money and then you've annoyed. You've annoyed

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Speaker 3: Tapatsi Marti. The Marti Party are annoyed about it, and

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Speaker 3: they are like screaming blue murder about the thing and

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Speaker 3: boycotting journos and stuff. And undoubtedly there will be some

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Speaker 3: subscribers or readers or something who drop off because you've

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Speaker 3: even taken the ad, but then because you don't continue

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Speaker 3: to take the ad and back yourself on it. Now

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Speaker 3: James has dropped off on the other side, so everybody's

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Speaker 3: upset about it anyway. Neil Holdham, who's New Plymouth's mayor,

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Speaker 3: who I've always been sort of like, he's okay, wow,

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Speaker 3: did he have a crack at labor today in an editorial.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to run you through that and we'll talk

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Speaker 3: to him after half past six. You need to talk

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Speaker 3: to you about what's going on with rock bands. Have

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Speaker 3: you noticed there are no big rock bands anymore. When

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Speaker 3: I say big bands, I mean rock bands like Blur

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Speaker 3: and Oasis and You Two and the Killers and stuff

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Speaker 3: like that. They used to rule the airwaves, but now

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Speaker 3: really we're predominantly listening to things like individual artists, people

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Speaker 3: like Do a Leaper and Harry Styles and Tay Tay

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Speaker 3: and those kinds of people. They're the ones you know,

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Speaker 3: are who are top of the charts. Get this, okay,

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Speaker 3: this is a stat for you. Since two thousand, only

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Speaker 3: ten rock bands have reached number one in the charts,

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Speaker 3: So in twenty four years, number one has only gone

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Speaker 3: to ten different rock bands. The last time a rock

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Speaker 3: band got number one was Florence in the Machine twelve

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Speaker 3: years ago when they released Spectrum Brackets Say My Name. Now,

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Speaker 3: apparently the problem is Spotify, because it's much harder for

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Speaker 3: a band to make a living off Spotify than like

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Speaker 3: back in the day when they used to sell singles. So,

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Speaker 3: for example, back in nineteen ninety five, Blur put out

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Speaker 3: the song country House and Na's House in the Country,

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Speaker 3: and Oasis put out you Gotta Roll with It, and

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Speaker 3: between those two songs they sold four hundred and ninety

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Speaker 3: thousand singles. Now, each of them sold at four pounds

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Speaker 3: between those two bands, and just that year off just

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Speaker 3: those two songs, they would have made four million dollars

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Speaker 3: New Zealand four point two million dollars stream those songs

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Speaker 3: by the same number four hundred ninety thousand times today

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Speaker 3: and the income of Spotify is four two hundred dollars.

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Speaker 3: That's a massive difference. That's why nobody's in bands, because

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Speaker 3: who can afford to be in a band when all

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Speaker 3: you get is four thousand dollars. Anyway, Nee, weare next

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Speaker 3: News Talks at.

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Speaker 1: B We're Business meets Insight the Business Hour. We'd head

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Speaker 1: the Duplicylan and my Hr on News Talks.

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Speaker 10: At B.

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Speaker 12: Evening.

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Speaker 3: Coming up for the next hour. We've got that burg

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Speaker 3: official cash rate call tomorrow. We're going to talk to

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Speaker 3: Brad Olson about that. Shortly, New Plymouth's mayor on his

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Speaker 3: challenge to labor for how labor can actually fix this

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Speaker 3: power crisis. We're in and Jamie mackay on the Canterbury

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Speaker 3: Amp Show at seven past six. Now, NIEWA has got

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Speaker 3: itself a fancy new toy. The state owned Whether Research

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Speaker 3: Organization has bought itself a twenty million dollar supercomputer. Now,

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Speaker 3: once this thing is installed two data centers in Auckland,

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Speaker 3: it will be the biggest research computer in the country.

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Speaker 3: Rob Murdoch is knee as Deputy Chief Executive.

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Speaker 2: Hey Rob, Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 3: O'm Jerry?

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Does this mean we're going to get more accurate weather forecasts?

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Speaker 23: Well, hopefully we will yes in the future, and hopefully

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Speaker 23: it will be used for a whole range of different applications.

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Speaker 23: Though we'll hopefully get better at modeling our future climate

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Speaker 23: as well as our oceans and a whole range of

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Speaker 23: other environmental things.

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Speaker 3: How much more accurate, For example, will it actually have

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Speaker 3: if we had had it in January last year? Would

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Speaker 3: it have been able to forecast those rains that we

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Speaker 3: got at the start.

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Speaker 20: Of the year.

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Speaker 23: Well, I think the key in having a bigger and

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Speaker 23: better supercomputer means that we can actually model things at

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Speaker 23: a higher resolution both in time and space. So it

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01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 23: means we can model things down to smaller scales, which

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Speaker 23: is important when you have to think about things like cycling.

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Speaker 23: Gabriel for example, where it is very it's very isolated

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Speaker 23: and the hills can have a massive impact on the

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01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 23: amount of rainfall, and the better we can model those hills,

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Speaker 23: the best of the forecasts will be. But it also

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01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 23: means we can do things faster. So instead of at

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Speaker 23: the moment our weather models, for example, our high resolution

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01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 23: met where the models can predict whether in the location

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Speaker 23: around one point five square kilometers, but we can actually

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Speaker 23: get down to three hundred meters. But to do that

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Speaker 23: we need more compute power. And what this new system

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Speaker 23: and will nable us to do is to be able

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Speaker 23: to instead of having models that take six hours to run,

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Speaker 23: we'll be able to run them in three hours. So

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Speaker 23: that means instead of having four forecasts today, we can

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Speaker 23: have obviously double that number.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so taking the example of cycling Gabrielle, would it

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Speaker 3: have avoided the situation where the Esk Valley was called unawares?

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Speaker 3: They would have been told in advance if you had

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Speaker 3: this computer at the time, Well.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 7: I suspect not.

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Speaker 23: I think we needed more place than what we currently have.

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Speaker 23: And you know that that was a very severe event

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Speaker 23: and it was very difficult to predict, and certainly there

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Speaker 23: was a lot more rainfall, although we did tend to

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Speaker 23: get the rainfall levels somewhat right. I think the other

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Speaker 23: issue in all of this is that we're not only

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Speaker 23: going to predict the rainfall, we've actually got to predict

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Speaker 23: what happens once that water touches the ground and in

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Speaker 23: that case it causes a flood. Yeah, we've got to

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Speaker 23: be able to really have good models around flood forecasting

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Speaker 23: as well, and that's what enable.

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Speaker 20: Us to do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what everybody in Auckland would love to know

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Speaker 3: is basically what I was asking at the very start

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Speaker 3: is could we would we have known that those that

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Speaker 3: that water having the ground in January last year was

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Speaker 3: going to cause the trouble it was going to cause.

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Speaker 3: But by the sounds of things, not necessarily even with

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Speaker 3: this computer.

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Speaker 23: No, it depends on the type of rainfall it is,

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Speaker 23: and some some some types of rainfall are easier to

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Speaker 23: predict than others. And when it gets these these flash

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Speaker 23: flooding events aren't.

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Speaker 7: Quite so easy.

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Speaker 23: But there's no doubt that the higher the higher compute

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Speaker 23: power will enable us to better develop the models that

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01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 23: we've got and be able to work at a higher

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Speaker 23: resolution both in time and in space. And yes, we

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Speaker 23: should be better at forecasting these things.

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Speaker 3: Does met service have anything like this no, So are

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Speaker 3: you going to put them out of business?

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Speaker 7: Then?

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Speaker 23: No, well, hopefully not. I mean there's a review at

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Speaker 23: the moment, and hopefully we'll see Met Service and there's

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01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 23: obviously we're looking across both NEWA and net Met Service

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Speaker 23: about how we can make sure we've got a forecasting

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Speaker 23: system that's fit for purpose for the country.

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Speaker 3: Where is that review at because it was supposed to

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Speaker 3: have wrapped up in May.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I think it's as far as I'm aware, there

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01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 23: has been a final report completed. So it's just we're

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01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 23: just waiting on time now to sitting with the minister,

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01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 23: sitting with the ministers and see what happens.

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Speaker 3: Are you still competing with Met Service for weather forecasting contracts?

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Speaker 23: I don't think we've ever competed. We work very closely

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Speaker 23: with the Met Service. We have different clients and certainly

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Speaker 23: our modeling capability enables us to deliver some products for

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Speaker 23: clients that are different to the Met Service, but we're

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Speaker 23: very complementary.

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Speaker 3: But either way, if I have to look at a

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Speaker 3: new forecast or a Met Service forecast, you've got the

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Speaker 3: super computer. So you're going to be more accurate now,

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Speaker 3: aren't you.

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Speaker 23: Well, sometimes in some con situations, some not.

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Speaker 2: But I think you know, Robert.

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Speaker 3: Us twenty million bucks. The answer is, yes, we're going

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Speaker 3: to be more accurate. It's money working, yes.

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Speaker 23: Yes, yes, yes, it's definitely in advancement. And the other

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Speaker 23: element that we need to think about is that this

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Speaker 23: new supercomputer is going to enable us to apply AI

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Speaker 23: to a lot more science questions. AI is changing the

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Speaker 23: way we do science, the type of science we can

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Speaker 23: do with the sort of information that's been collected in

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Speaker 23: the vast data sets that we're getting today. It's enabling

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Speaker 23: us science to questions that we wouldn't have thought were

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Speaker 23: possible before satellite indjery and all those sorts of things.

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Speaker 23: So there won't be just weather and climate. It's going

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Speaker 23: to be oceans and a whole range of other everything

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Speaker 23: from greenhouse gas production into you know, and it won't

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Speaker 23: be just newhile. There's opportunity for other science organizations to

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Speaker 23: have access to this compute, things like seismic modeling for earthquakes.

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Speaker 15: The list just goes on and on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very cool stuff. Hey, Rob, thanks very much for

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Speaker 3: your time. Rob Murdoch, Niewer's deputy chief executive. Here the

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Speaker 3: speaking of rock bands, we need to look after the

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Speaker 3: planet and leave it in good condition. For Keith Richards, Yep,

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Speaker 3: I'm with you on with you on that that man's

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Speaker 3: going to keep going for a long time. Maybe he's

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Speaker 3: genetically modified actually so. I don't know if you realize this,

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01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 3: but Ukraine's invasion of Russia as an answer to Russia's

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Speaker 3: invasion of Ukraine has been dubbed Operation White Triangle. Try

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Speaker 3: Operation Triangle.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 3: The reason for this is because do you remember when

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Speaker 3: the Russians went into Ukraine, they all had the Z

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Speaker 3: on the front of their tanks and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: The Ukrainians have stuck a white triangle on the front

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Speaker 3: of all of their tanks and I think maybe even

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Speaker 3: on some of the military some of the personnel as well.

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Speaker 3: And basically how they do it as they are they

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Speaker 3: just get white tape and tape it on or they're

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Speaker 3: painted on. And the reason that they're doing that is

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Speaker 3: basically to avoid friendly fire. Because of course, modern warfare

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Speaker 3: means that a lot of the sides will often be

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Speaker 3: using the same kind of equipment wearing very similar uniforms,

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Speaker 3: so you actually can't tell them apart. You can't really

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Speaker 3: easily see if that's it. Where Ukrainian tank you're about

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Speaker 3: to fire on, or a Russian tank you're about to

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Speaker 3: fire on. So stick the triangle there. Then you know

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Speaker 3: the difference, and also the personnel themselves. The forces will

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Speaker 3: often strap yellow or blue bands. This is the Ukrainians

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Speaker 3: made from gaffer tap over their fatigues and their helmets

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Speaker 3: so they can be told apart. So there you go.

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Speaker 3: If they talk about Operation Triangle, now you know why

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Speaker 3: fourteen past.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to get you across what Neil Holdham,

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Speaker 3: new Plymouth's mayor, has written about labor. Do that very shortly.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to him about half past six

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Speaker 3: are after the half PUS six news. It's eighteen pass

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Speaker 3: six right now now obviously the countdown is on right

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Speaker 3: now for the most highly anticipated Reserve Bank decision in

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Speaker 3: quite some time. Economists are pretty divided on whether the

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Speaker 3: bank's going to cut or hold the OCR At two

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Speaker 3: tomorrow afternoon, Informetric's principal economist, Brad Olsen is with Mehy

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Speaker 3: Brad Good evening. Let me get this right. You don't

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Speaker 3: think they're going to cut, but you think they should cut.

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Speaker 20: Is that right?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 21: I mean that's broadly in the right ballpark. I mean

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Speaker 21: we think that, you know, the economy is clearly weaker

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Speaker 21: on most of the data that we would have come

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Speaker 21: through in the economy the last couple of months, we

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Speaker 21: would probably say enough is enough and it's time to cut.

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Speaker 21: But we don't think they will, and in a sense

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Speaker 21: almost don't think they can, given how much of a

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Speaker 21: u turn they're taking. But what I think they will do,

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Speaker 21: and certainly what I think they should do tomorrow given

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01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 21: all of that, is they need to make it pretty

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Speaker 21: clear that they got it wrong and may they were

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Speaker 21: completely and utterly wrong. They need to shift the dial

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Speaker 21: and they need to start sort of setting that the

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Speaker 21: groundwork for making a move before the end of the year.

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Speaker 21: I don't know if that's October or if it's November.

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Speaker 21: Probably almost should be October, but they've had some communication

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Speaker 21: issues in recent times. I mean, it is a little

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Speaker 21: bit bizarre, right that, you know, economists talk about whether

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Speaker 21: or not a decision is live or not.

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Speaker 20: Could we get a change?

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Speaker 21: You go back to where they were in May, and honestly,

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Speaker 21: there was no hope of a change up or down

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Speaker 21: in a sense for another year. Now we're talking about

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Speaker 21: it like it could be, you know, locked in the

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Speaker 21: markets of price. I think sort of a seventy percent

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Speaker 21: expectation that you could see the official cash rate fall tomorrow.

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Speaker 21: Economist seem to be a little bit more circumspect about that.

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Speaker 21: But long story short, the economy is in a darker place,

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Speaker 21: but the Reserve Bank backs it south into a corner,

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Speaker 21: and so sort of all bets are off at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so let me get this right. Tomorrow is a

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Speaker 3: monetary policy statement where they actually give a press conference.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so they give the whole kit kaboodle in November.

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Speaker 3: Yes that's correct, but not October. So listen, Brad. They

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01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 3: can't they literally cannot hold the country in this nonsense

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Speaker 3: for six weeks extra or whatever it is because they're

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01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 3: not holding a press for us. So is it possible,

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Speaker 3: which is what the discussion has been about why they

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01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 3: can't cut in October because then they can't hold a

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Speaker 3: press conference. They just issue a press release. Can they

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01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 3: give a full press conference tomorrow where they set it

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Speaker 3: up beautifully for October and then just do it via

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Speaker 3: a press release in October? Is that possible?

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Speaker 21: I think it is possible, and you know, in our

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01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,600
Speaker 21: minds we are starting to wonder if that might be

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Speaker 21: the better move, because you're right. I mean, so tomorrow

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Speaker 21: you get at two pm, you get the decision, but

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Speaker 21: you also get everything. You get all of the new

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Speaker 21: forecasts from the Reserve Bank. You get pages and pages

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Speaker 21: of analysis and understanding not only of what they think

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01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 21: their official cash rate could be over the next ort

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Speaker 21: to two years, but also what they think happens to

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01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 21: inflation in the economy, and similar an hour later at

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Speaker 21: three pm, the Governor will be standing out there two

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Speaker 21: media speaking for nearly an hour on all of those views,

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Speaker 21: and then, like you say, in October, you get like

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Speaker 21: a page or two And so I think you're right,

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Speaker 21: this is where the setup needs to happen now if

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Speaker 21: they don't do that, and I think you know, we're

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Speaker 21: still holding our breath at infametrics. We're not going to

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Speaker 21: make a change until tomorrow afternoon, when we understand where

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Speaker 21: on earth the bank has landed on all of this,

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01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 21: because how many times have they done this? It flip

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Speaker 21: flopped between sort of hot and cold, and hot and cold,

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Speaker 21: hod and cold, So we are really sort of trying

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01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 21: to figure out what happens there. But once we know,

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Speaker 21: that's when I think we'll make a bit of a

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Speaker 21: stronger call on what comes through. Regardless, I think they

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01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 21: need to acknowledge tomorrow that they got it wrong at

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Speaker 21: some point along the way, but it is important. I

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01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 21: think that if they want to go in October, they

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01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 21: need to set that ground work up. Otherwise we might

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Speaker 21: well come through to November and all of a sudden

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Speaker 21: they have to go with a fifty basis point cut

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Speaker 21: because all of a sudden things have moved sort of

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Speaker 21: too much.

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Speaker 3: Further on, Brad, you make some excellent points, mate, Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much, Really looking forward to talking to you

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Speaker 3: again about this. Brad Olson in for metrics principle economist.

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Speaker 3: Put that in your diary for two o'clock tomorrow and

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01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 3: you can tune in and see Rack adri and go

1694
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 3: particularly Red in the face. He's naturally quite florid, but

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Speaker 3: I think when the journalists start giving him a hard

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Speaker 3: time tomorrow he's going to be is going to He's

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Speaker 3: going to read and right up, he's going to go

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Speaker 3: full Tomato on us.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Neil Holden, new Plymouth's mayor, has just absolutely nailed the

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Speaker 3: political side of the power crisis that we're in. He's

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Speaker 3: written a piece essentially putting pressure on Labour to drop

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Speaker 3: the oil and gas ban and also the one hundred

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01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 3: percent renewable policy which they have which is ridiculous, and

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Speaker 3: essentially stop hurting the country with the power prices. Because

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Speaker 3: they continue to have these ridiculous policies, no one wants

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Speaker 3: to invest in oil and gas in this country or

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Speaker 3: anything that burns oil, or burns gas or burns coal

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Speaker 3: because Labour is going to be a government at some

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Speaker 3: point and they're going to throw it. Throw the baby

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Speaker 3: out with the bath water again. He says Labor underestimated

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Speaker 3: the chilling impact that their strategy would have on investment

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01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 3: across the energy sector and on international investors' view of

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Speaker 3: sovereign risk. We urged them to reconsider their one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent renewable electricity goal and partner with the energy sector

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01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 3: to replace coal with gas to efficiently reduce national emissions.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. Their policy was implemented without modification, and

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Speaker 3: he basically says there are three questions they've got to

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01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 3: ask and it all comes down to are you going

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Speaker 3: to change your policies to help us out? He's going

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Speaker 3: to be with us. Just after half bus six Jamie

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Speaker 3: McKay's next six to twenty three.

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Speaker 2: The Rural Report on Heather do for see allan drive.

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Speaker 3: Hey, just a quick update on what's going on with

1725
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 3: this abuse and state care stuff. The government has just

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Speaker 3: announced that there's a rapid payment that they're going to

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Speaker 3: pay out to survivors of Lake Alice, only survivors of

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Speaker 3: Lake Alice, and only survivors of Lake Alice who only

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Speaker 3: have six months to live now. It's twenty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: They say this is not the end, but it's basically

1731
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Speaker 3: just help those people out who obviously have had a

1732
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 3: tough time and a vast majority of them probably have

1733
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,839
Speaker 3: been living much of their lives in some sort of deprivation.

1734
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 3: So that's just the start of it. I imagine that

1735
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 3: that's a benchmark, isn't it. Twenty thousands is a round

1736
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 3: about now what we're all going to be looking at

1737
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 3: and expecting. Six twenty six Jamie mckaye, Host of the

1738
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 3: Countries with Us. Hey, Jamie good I Heather, you like

1739
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 3: the end of the geban.

1740
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Speaker 12: Yeah, pretty much so. I mean, I guess there are

1741
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 12: some benefits. I'm not quite sure what they are of

1742
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 12: being G three. For instance, there's no premium on any

1743
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 12: of our products that I'm aware of, over the likes

1744
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 12: of the Aussies who have had this kind of legislation

1745
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 12: in place since two thousand. So look, I think it's

1746
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 12: common sense prevailing. We did have the absurd situations where

1747
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 12: were a couple of situations where local scientists developed the

1748
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 12: red flesh apple, but they weren't allowed to taste tests

1749
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 12: that apple in New Zealand. They had to go to

1750
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 12: the United States to do it. And the really good

1751
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,719
Speaker 12: example is egg research. And I know you had Richard

1752
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 12: scott On didn't hear the interview, he may have talked

1753
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 12: about this, but the rye grass, which can reduce livestock

1754
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 12: methane emissions by fifteen percent. Look, they can trial that

1755
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 12: and tested in New Zealand on the ground here under

1756
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 12: very strict conditions that can be a game changer in

1757
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 12: terms of climate change.

1758
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 3: Listen, Jamie, tell me what you think. The fact that

1759
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:51,719
Speaker 3: David Carter's going out there the board chair and saying

1760
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 3: we need the support of the community to make the

1761
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,560
Speaker 3: AMP show work suggests to me that this thing is

1762
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 3: a bit it's a bit of fee like as to

1763
01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 3: whether it can survive or not.

1764
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 12: Well it is if he and yet and I was

1765
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 12: speaking to Sir David Carter on my show today.

1766
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 22: Look that Heather.

1767
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 12: They get three days to run this thing, so whether

1768
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 12: they can almost work around the weather to a degree.

1769
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 12: They've got one hundred thousand people going through the gates.

1770
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 12: It's the biggest AMP show in the country and it's

1771
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 12: been a bit of a debarkle in terms of the

1772
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 12: relationship between the executive and the board or the foot

1773
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 12: soldiers of David. David Carter called them. There's no love

1774
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:31,799
Speaker 12: lost that all between him and Stuart Mitchell, the former

1775
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 12: chair of the board, who was the former chair incidentally

1776
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 12: of New Zealand Rugby. Look, they're going to run it

1777
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 12: in conjunction with a professional events business. Good luck to them.

1778
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 12: So the Association's going to hold its livestock events and

1779
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 12: competitions November thirteen to fifteen. The event higher contribution company

1780
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 12: will come November fourteen to sixteen. That's your exhibitors and

1781
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 12: Heather all the fun of the fair on our biggest

1782
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 12: damp show. And to be honest, we need to put

1783
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 12: the show back and the cup on show a.

1784
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 3: Week two, right, Jamie, thank you so much, appreciate it.

1785
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 3: Jamie McKay, Host to the Country, Heather. Right now we've

1786
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 3: not only burned coal, but we've also fired up the

1787
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 3: diesel generation. We have diesels burning at the moment, ninety

1788
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:16,959
Speaker 3: eight mega watts headlines.

1789
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 2: Next, if it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1790
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR

1791
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 1: the HR platform for sme US talk.

1792
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 2: Said bull.

1793
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 8: Mabe before the first time.

1794
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: Maybe it's.

1795
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 2: Right.

1796
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 3: We've got indegrady out of the UK today.

1797
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 12: Listen.

1798
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 3: The Gone Fishing murder cases back in court today. It's

1799
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 3: in the Court of Appeal today and it will be

1800
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 3: there tomorrow again. Keeping on this, this is really interesting,

1801
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 3: I expect, I mean, is there any other outcome that's

1802
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 3: possible other than acquittal. This is the case where there

1803
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 3: were murder charges against Stephen stolen Stone and Gail Many

1804
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,639
Speaker 3: over the murder of Dean Phillis Sanders and Leah Stevens

1805
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 3: all the way back in August nineteen eighty nine. The

1806
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 3: court will decide whether to ecquit, and surely have to

1807
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 3: because even the Crown has admitted miscarriage of justice in

1808
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 3: this right, so both sides agree with that. Interesting thing

1809
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 3: here is the cop at the center of it has

1810
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 3: been accused of lying and manipulating witnesses. The guy's name

1811
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 3: is Mark Franklin. The case that he put to the

1812
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 3: court basically relied on four people who all reckon they'd

1813
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,919
Speaker 3: witnessed one of the murders. All four were given immunity

1814
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 3: for prosecution in return for their evidence, along with name suppression.

1815
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,600
Speaker 3: So already it's like, you know, he has sort of

1816
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 3: started to get a little bit worried about if you're

1817
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 3: doing deals for evidence, it just feels a little dodgy,

1818
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 3: doesn't it. And then also two of the four have

1819
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 3: since recanted their evidence, saying they were coerced into making

1820
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 3: false statements by the coppers. Here's an example of what

1821
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 3: Mark Franklin, the cop at the center of it, is

1822
01:24:56,280 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 3: accused of doing. There were two witnesses who had two

1823
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 3: different versions of events of what happened. So on July

1824
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 3: the first, nineteen eighty nine, Mark Franklin, the kop faxes

1825
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 3: what one of the witnesses has said to the lawyer

1826
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 3: representing the other witness. Suddenly the two guys who are

1827
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 3: saying different things are now saying exactly the same thing.

1828
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 3: You can see how this is dodgy, right. The actions

1829
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 3: apparently were extraordinary. They were never disclosed. This is what

1830
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 3: the court's going to be hearing about today already have

1831
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 3: and tomorrow. Keep an eye on that one. It's going

1832
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,719
Speaker 3: to be fascinating right now. Twenty one away from seven.

1833
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,440
Speaker 2: Heather duper c Ellen, New Plymot's.

1834
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 3: Mayor Neil Holdham has hit out Labour, saying that the

1835
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 3: party's position on oil and gas means it has effectively

1836
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 3: turned the tap off for the New Zealand gas industry.

1837
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 3: Labour remains committed to rebanning oil and gas exploration if

1838
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 3: the current government reinstates at which they planned to do,

1839
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 3: and if labor managers to get back in now. The

1840
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 3: current electricity crisis has hit Taranaki particularly hard. News today

1841
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 3: that Methodex has shut down its operation until the end

1842
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 3: of October. Neil hold them is with us.

1843
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 24: Now, Hey, Neil, get a Heather.

1844
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 3: What's your reaction to the method X news.

1845
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 20: Oh?

1846
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 24: Look, I mean that they are an awesome company that's

1847
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 24: basically taking one for the team to keep the lights

1848
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:15,799
Speaker 24: on for New Zealand because of a failed energy policy

1849
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 24: that is going to drive up everybody's power bills next year.

1850
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 24: And I mean I have put the call out to

1851
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 24: Megan Woods, the energy spokes VERSU and for Labor and

1852
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 24: Chris Sipkins to tell us, you know, how do they

1853
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 24: feel about the fact that Huntley has ordered three hundred

1854
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 24: and fifty thousand tons of coal for next year based

1855
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 24: on the fact that we don't have enough gas. And

1856
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 24: I think you know that their policy was about, you know,

1857
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 24: turning off the gas industry on the basis that oh

1858
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 24: that'll get a change, it will reduce the change the

1859
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 24: way we run the power system. Well, I've got news for.

1860
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:55,560
Speaker 7: Them, and they know this.

1861
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 24: We're going to build an our eng import facility. It

1862
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 24: makes sense. It's going to be built in the next

1863
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 24: two to three years. So trying to kill off local gas,

1864
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 24: killing off those local jobs, all you're doing is just

1865
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 24: transferring that money to companies overseas, so they've got an

1866
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 24: opportunity to come to the party. And realistically, what I've

1867
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 24: said is, you know, all along, if we can get

1868
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 24: national and labor to work on a joint policy that's

1869
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 24: sensible based on science and economics, we can keep our

1870
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 24: economy going. We can reduce emissions. But when we have

1871
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 24: this kind of table Tennis like thing, where you know,

1872
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 24: the electoral outcome changes and the policy changes, no one's

1873
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 24: going to invest in that environment. And that's why we're

1874
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 24: short of gas and electricity.

1875
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 3: To right, they've put out a statement and they've already

1876
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 3: killed off one of the things that you're asking for.

1877
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 3: They say, we have bottom lines, restarting oil and gas

1878
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 3: exploration is not something we could agree to.

1879
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 24: And I think, I mean my message to them is

1880
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 24: so I my understanding is that labors heavily financially backed

1881
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 24: by the union. So what about the unionized workers in

1882
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 24: those sawmills in the Central North Island and the pulp

1883
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 24: mills in Penrose and Central North Island that have been

1884
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 24: sent home from work? What about the work is at

1885
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 24: methods that have been sent home, The work is at

1886
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 24: t y that have been sent home. I mean, it

1887
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 24: seems counterintuitive to say, you know, we're going to stick

1888
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:29,560
Speaker 24: to our policy despite the fact that it's failed, and

1889
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 24: the minute that you plug into LNG and the international market,

1890
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 24: it's like, you know, why would you buy something offshore

1891
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 24: when you can produce it here?

1892
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,560
Speaker 3: Totally? Neil, have you heard for them? I mean, you

1893
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 3: obviously have a relationship with them, right You spoke to

1894
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 3: them before they did the oil and gas ban in

1895
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. They ignored you. You've obviously reached out to

1896
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 3: them with what you're saying right now. Have you heard

1897
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 3: anything from them?

1898
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,560
Speaker 24: I've heard it. Thank you for letting us know. The

1899
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,679
Speaker 24: questions are coming. And I've been invited to an event

1900
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:01,679
Speaker 24: later this month in the Beehive talking about energy policy,

1901
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 24: and I've said I'll go along because, look, I've always

1902
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 24: had a view that I'll work with all parties, because

1903
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:10,640
Speaker 24: our goal has been the same thing that Tartanmaki has

1904
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 24: been trying to do for a long time. Keep lights on,

1905
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 24: work with everybody, find a way.

1906
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 7: Forward that works.

1907
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 3: Neil, what's this event? Are they announcing their energy policy

1908
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 3: this month?

1909
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 24: I think it's a sort of an energy summit. I

1910
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 24: haven't had the details. I just got asked if I

1911
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 24: wanted to go, and I said, yep, absolutely Keen. I

1912
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 24: actually asked if they'd be brave enough to let me

1913
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:32,759
Speaker 24: have a speaking slot so I could share my views

1914
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 24: and views of the energy businesses operating in Tartanuki. So

1915
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 24: we want to work with everyone and we want to

1916
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 24: find that middle way forward that allows people to keep

1917
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 24: their jobs and you know, to keep exporting goods overseas

1918
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 24: that pay for all of the government services that that

1919
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 24: people want.

1920
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 3: Mate, thank you so much for your time. Best of

1921
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 3: like fighting the good fight on this one. That's Neil

1922
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,679
Speaker 3: Holdham new plymo it smare. I got this six cheese.

1923
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 3: I mean imagine that a Imagine being Neil. You tell

1924
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 3: them it's not a good idea, they do it anyway,

1925
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 3: and six years later you're like it's still not a

1926
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 3: good idea and they're like, nah, I'm just gonna keep

1927
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:08,560
Speaker 3: doing it. Imagine how frustrating that is. And he's the

1928
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 3: mayor of the region that's getting smacked by it. I

1929
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:13,600
Speaker 3: got this text from Ben either have you seen the

1930
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 3: Green Parties post on their Facebook page in regards to

1931
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 3: benefit bashing. Nobody agrees with them, So we had to

1932
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 3: have a looking sure enough, he's right. They've put up

1933
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 3: a thing where they're like, oh, you're just beating up

1934
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 3: on the poor. People deserve to be supported in times

1935
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:27,560
Speaker 3: of need, not punished by systems like benefit sanctions. We

1936
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 3: can have a system which will uplift and empower people

1937
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 3: that find themselves in need of support. Yay, And as

1938
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 3: a result, like all of the comments underneath are like

1939
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 3: nat yep, I'm awful bottomless spending without any accountability back

1940
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 3: it's just money and hard working key. We's love to

1941
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 3: give until they've got nothing left. Honestly working, getting educated,

1942
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,879
Speaker 3: making smart decisions, taking self responsibility is so last centuries

1943
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 3: is one poster. Another all the Greens have ever done

1944
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Speaker 3: is ruined New Zealand. Another. If the Greens don't like it,

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Speaker 3: it must be good policy. Another, and taxpayers deserve to

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Speaker 3: get accountability for their tax dollars. Another. Here's an idea.

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Speaker 3: How about you get a job and stop lying on

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Speaker 3: handouts as a lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know if the Greens use

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Speaker 3: this as material, but they should. You don't even have

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Speaker 3: to pay a polster to go away and do your

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Speaker 3: focus groups for you. You could just look at your

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Speaker 3: Facebook page and see how New Zealanders are like, No,

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Speaker 3: your policy sucks, we like the sanctions, and then change

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Speaker 3: your policy as a result.

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Speaker 2: Quarter two crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather due to see Ellen with the business hours

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Speaker 1: thanks to my hr the HL platform for SM on newstalkzb.

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Speaker 3: In de Brady is our UK correspondent this evening.

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Speaker 25: Hey hey Heather, they're great to speak to you again.

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Speaker 3: How bad is the knife crime with you guys?

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Speaker 25: Yes, another incident and it's shocking all over the front

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Speaker 25: pages again. Thankfully, this little girl has been saved by

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Speaker 25: the very quick actions of a brave security guard who

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Speaker 25: saw what was unfolding in Leicester Square. Happened just after

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Speaker 25: half eleven in the morning here and an eleven year

1968
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Speaker 25: old girl. She was with a thirty four year old

1969
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Speaker 25: woman who the media think was her mum. They're in

1970
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Speaker 25: Leicester Square so it's been very very hot here. It's

1971
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Speaker 25: peak summer tourism time and Leicester Square is very very busy.

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Speaker 25: So this guy has approached the eleven year old girl

1973
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Speaker 25: with a knife and proceeded to attack her with the knife. Now,

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Speaker 25: this security guard sprinted from the shop where he was working,

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Speaker 25: hurled himself at the guy, kicked the blade away and

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Speaker 25: basically pinned them to the ground. Two other men then

1977
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Speaker 25: joined in and they held this guy on the ground

1978
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Speaker 25: until police officers came. Paramedics on the scene within minutes.

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Speaker 25: Little girl taken the hospital. They initially thought the other

1980
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Speaker 25: woman had been stabbed, a thirty four year old woman,

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Speaker 25: but it was blood from the child.

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Speaker 7: Little girl is.

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Speaker 25: Still in hospital, her injuries not thought to be life threatening,

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Speaker 25: so she will live. But absolute horror on the streets

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Speaker 25: of this country yet again. Motivation, no idea, We've no

1986
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Speaker 25: idea yet. A man has now been charged with attempted

1987
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Speaker 25: murder and possession of a bladed implement. He'll appear in

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Speaker 25: court in the next couple of hours. But you know,

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Speaker 25: there's not a week us past that we're not seeing

1990
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Speaker 25: life crime in some town or city here. It's terrible,

1991
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Speaker 25: it really is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty mean to life. Listen on the Twitter

1993
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Speaker 3: thing and the X thing. How many of the government

1994
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Speaker 3: ministers INPs of status tack in their council.

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Speaker 25: So it's a handful so far. But this began last

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Speaker 25: night and journalists who follow these people just started realizing

1997
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Speaker 25: though she's gone he's gone and one by one they've

1998
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Speaker 25: all been falling away and it's in protest that Elon Musk.

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Speaker 25: So you remember the riots we had here last week

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Speaker 25: and the week before, everything that has happened in the

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Speaker 25: UK in the last fortnight. He's put the boot into

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Speaker 25: Kere Starmer. He really has, and a lot of people

2003
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Speaker 25: are wondering, you know, what's his beef, what's his interest

2004
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Speaker 25: in the UK. He's not Brittish, he has no interests here,

2005
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Speaker 25: and yet Elon Musk, you know, pulling strings and really

2006
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Speaker 25: kind of being hyper critical of Keer Starmer, who's only

2007
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 25: four weeks into the job and I think most people

2008
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Speaker 25: think is doing a very good job. We know, an

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Speaker 25: actual prosecutor in charge at a time when the criminals

2010
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Speaker 25: have risen up in the last week or so, most

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Speaker 25: people would applaud that. So it's interesting what's happening. I

2012
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Speaker 25: think we will see more government MPs leaving x or

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Speaker 25: Twitter in the next couple of days, and long term,

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Speaker 25: I think there's a conversation to be had between the

2015
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Speaker 25: UK government and social media platforms about just how much racist,

2016
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Speaker 25: bile and misinformation was spewed out of these places in

2017
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Speaker 25: the last two weeks, which fanned the flames.

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Speaker 2: Of those right, Hi, are you feeling hot?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 25: So we had a record breaking day here yesterday for

2021
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 25: the year anyway, it got up to thirty four point

2022
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 25: eight celsius in Cambridge. I was in London yesterday and

2023
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 25: it was absolutely baking hot. The tube journey home. I

2024
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Speaker 25: was counting down the stops till I reached my car.

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Speaker 25: Ten stops I had, and oh my god, there was

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Speaker 25: so many people in the carriages. It was packed and

2027
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Speaker 25: humid and horrible. It's not going to be as hot today,

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Speaker 25: but you know, we're reaching a stage now where once

2029
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Speaker 25: or twice a year we are getting the these incredible temperatures.

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Speaker 25: Not as bad as it was two years ago. I

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Speaker 25: hit forty celsius here two years ago, thirty four point

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Speaker 25: eight in Cambridge yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Jeez, And it will best if I can just remember

2034
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Speaker 3: keep rehydrating, put that water into and the electrolytes that's

2035
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Speaker 3: into Brady are UK correspondent Hither I work at a

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Speaker 3: major dairy factory that've switched over to diesel from natural gas.

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Speaker 3: Oh good, oh cool, you know that's good for the environment.

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Speaker 3: Well done, Chippy and Meghan, great stuff. So not not

2039
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Speaker 3: burning the gas because we don't like gas, but that diesel. Yeah,

2040
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Speaker 3: that's real good here that. Can we please talk about

2041
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 3: ray Gun? Jeez? Okay, why not?

2042
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Speaker 9: So?

2043
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Speaker 3: Raygun is the Aussie break dancer who scored zero points

2044
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Speaker 3: at the Olympic. An old interview has surfaced here. She

2045
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Speaker 3: is speaking on the project before she headed off to Paris.

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Speaker 3: Job background's in ballroom dancing, right.

2047
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I did bor him for many years, and I

2048
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Speaker 13: also did jazz and tap and some hip hop as well.

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Speaker 3: Is there any kind of parallels between the two.

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Speaker 2: Look?

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Speaker 13: I mean, I think my understanding of musicality going into

2052
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Speaker 13: breaking was very strong. My body awareness, my coordination, my

2053
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 13: eye for technique has been much stronger going into the dam.

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Speaker 3: What is she talking about? I've looked at I'm absolutely

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Speaker 3: obsessed with it like many people, and I've read about

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Speaker 3: it today. I've looked at pictures of it. The whole

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Speaker 3: thing is off a like she just isn't like there's

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Speaker 3: a hip hop as a culture, and what she is

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Speaker 3: is basically like a toddler's mum dressed in a green

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Speaker 3: tracksuit with her uncool like a hat on and their

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Speaker 3: hairs thinking out there's like come on, like The whole

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Speaker 3: thing is like your mom just got dressed and walked

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Speaker 3: down to Walmut Vibes. She'd even take her hoopy earrings off,

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Speaker 3: and they're not even cool hoop earrings, the little hoop

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Speaker 3: earrings like you get from Michael Hill. Julia, you want

2066
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 3: some cool hoop earrings, gotta go a bag like Missy Elliott. Like,

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Speaker 3: nothing about that was breakdowancing. It was just it was

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Speaker 3: like catering star side of the Olympics.

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Speaker 14: We don't get to see how the judges breaker, but

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Speaker 14: musicality is one of the things that the judges judge on.

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Speaker 2: Zero.

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Speaker 14: Well, so the way it works though, was the judge

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01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 14: votes for one or the other. So basically she got

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Speaker 14: zero because all the judges voted for her opponent over her.

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Speaker 14: So that's why she got zero.

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Speaker 3: But you defending her hands, well, no, but I was

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Speaker 3: about to.

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Speaker 14: Say that there's no way she did okay on musicality

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Speaker 14: just because she was offbeat in every move she did.

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Speaker 14: Did you notice that she just couldn't maneuver herself fast

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01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 14: enough to keep up with the music. So when she

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01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 14: says there that she's great at musicality, clearly in the

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Speaker 14: other genres, but maybe not really.

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Speaker 3: No, obviously, that self confidence is just misplaced on everything

2085
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,959
Speaker 3: right down to the outfit Wow seven Away from seven.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

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Speaker 1: It's all on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen

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Speaker 1: and my HR, the HR platform for SMEs.

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Speaker 3: Oh dear. Okay, So you know the story about the

2090
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 3: chopper crash and Can's well. Bad news, unfortunately is that

2091
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 3: the pilot of the chop of that crash it turns

2092
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,639
Speaker 3: out as a Kiwi, has been named by the Daily Mail.

2093
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 3: Apparently the story goes that there was This is according

2094
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 3: to the pay the pilot was working for. The company

2095
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,639
Speaker 3: was due to be relocated from Ken's up north. Further

2096
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 3: so the staff throw him at farewell dinner, had the

2097
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 3: farewell dinner. After the farewell dinner, decided to go and

2098
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 3: his ground staff ground crew started to go into the

2099
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Speaker 3: hangar and take the chopper. Did have a New Zealand

2100
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 3: pilot's license, but has ended up unfortunately crashing the chopper

2101
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 3: and things haven't gone particularly well. So just be aware

2102
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Speaker 3: of that because that's going to become a thing. You

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Speaker 3: I've got more stats on the bands in the first

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Speaker 3: half of the nineteen eighties. This is where where have

2105
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 3: all the rock bands gone? In the first half of

2106
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,679
Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties, rock bands and groups had number ones

2107
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 3: for one hundred and forty six weeks. In the first

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Speaker 3: half of the nineteen nineties, it was for one hundred

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Speaker 3: and forty one weeks. In the first half of the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenties three weeks.

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Speaker 14: As I reckon, I've found one of your ten that

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Speaker 14: has had a number one hit in since two thousand though,

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Speaker 14: host Play, Yeah, Cold Player, Levita. This went to number

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Speaker 14: one in the UK and the US in two thousand

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Speaker 14: and eight. And I imagine that story. It's a Telegraph story, right,

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Speaker 14: so it'll be talking about the UK top UK.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 14: So I looked at mister Bright's side because I was sure,

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Speaker 14: But no, apparently that only got to number ten in

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Speaker 14: the US and the UK. Yeah, clearly people in two

2121
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 14: thousand and four just didn't recognize greatness when they heard it.

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Speaker 3: What about the Arctic Monkeys? They would have gone to

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Speaker 3: number one, oh, two thousand and five.

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Speaker 14: I'll look that up in a report tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, how good are the Arctic Monkeys? By the way,

2126
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Speaker 3: they are a great band. And the Killers actually and

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Speaker 3: actually Coldplay. I'm like, look, I can do Coldplay, I

2128
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Speaker 3: can do colplay. All right, we'll enjoy this, see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: But that was when the rule.

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Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen live to

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