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Speaker 2: Hello you, gay new Zellers, and welcome to Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 2: full show pocast number two seven fourth of the twenty

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Speaker 2: sixth of January twenty twenty six. Fantastic show today. We

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Speaker 2: didn't get to one of the subjects. What was it?

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Speaker 2: It was hangovers with.

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Speaker 3: And airbnb's so we left those on the table. Maybe tomorrow, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: maybe maybe maybe.

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Speaker 2: I had great chat about mcoss and one music and

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Speaker 2: EPRAH and it went deep and unifying.

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Speaker 3: Anniversary day. They got heated, They got very heated. It's

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Speaker 1: Stories, the weak issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news Talk said, be

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Speaker 1: very good.

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Speaker 3: Afternoons. You welcome into the show on this Auckland anniversary Monday, Gido, Matt, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in. If you're in Auckland and

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Speaker 2: you're on holiday, thank you for tuning in and everyone

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Speaker 2: else across the country. Great to have you.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely Now, just before we get one before.

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Speaker 2: Someone takes it. I know that Elkland Anniversary includes you know,

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Speaker 2: Waikato Northland, basically everything north of Topol.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Top of the North Anniversary, let's call it. Just

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Speaker 3: before we get into the program. Something I watched yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I didn't think I was going to watch it because

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize it was on until I opened up Netflix.

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Speaker 3: But you would have seen this guy, Alex Honold, incredible

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Speaker 3: rock climber and he's made a name for himself with

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Speaker 3: climbing some crazy cliff faces without any ropes. Ol Capitan

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Speaker 3: Free Solo was the big documentary that came out I

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Speaker 3: think about five years ago. Fascinating watch. So the challenge

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Speaker 3: for Alex Honold with this Netflix Live special was to

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Speaker 3: climb to the top of the Taipei one oh one

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Speaker 3: building again with no ropes, and I was riveted by this.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a rock climber myself, obviously looking at my

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Speaker 3: Taipay might not be for everyone. It was so intense,

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Speaker 3: scary when he was taking breaks and he was eyeing

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Speaker 3: through this particular balcony. I was I was sweating myself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you watched the replay of it, right though,

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Speaker 2: I did? Yeah, live live. I think this is going

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Speaker 2: to be the future of entertainment because you know, sports

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Speaker 2: is blowing up while other viewership is lowering, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because it's live and it's now and so you don't

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Speaker 2: you know, it's more visceral because of that, right, you

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Speaker 2: get tuned into it at the time. Yeah, so these

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Speaker 2: death defying stunts live, it might be the new thing, right,

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Speaker 2: it might be because people used to tune into I

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Speaker 2: remember I tuned into Evil Can Evil's son what's his name?

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Speaker 2: I forget jumping the well, what was he jumping? Jumping

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Speaker 2: the Grand Canyon or something, that's right. Yeah, they used

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Speaker 2: to have a bit of the stuff live. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: you know Netflix must have had a plan if he

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Speaker 2: fell off, right they did.

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Speaker 3: They had a ten second delay, so if he slipped

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Speaker 3: I imagine the plan was to cut the transmission, cut

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So anything over what five stories and yeah,

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Speaker 2: But that would be a horrific cutaway when they suddenly

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Speaker 3: Now you know, everyone knows what's happened. It's not good,

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Speaker 3: I'll go to say. You know, Netflix were the ones

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Speaker 3: So it was incredible watch. Well recommended. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: Robbie can Evil, Robbie can evil, Robbie can evils?

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Speaker 3: Did he make it? He made it over the Green CANi,

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Speaker 3: How good God right? Coming up after three o'clock on

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Speaker 3: the show, we want to have a chat about AIRB

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Speaker 3: Airbnb outright or heavily reducing the number of nights that

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Speaker 3: with a third of homes empty every night due to

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Speaker 3: for short term rentals. That is, if you rent out

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Speaker 3: Is that really the responsibility of ab owners or asilve.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's one of those interesting things, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: So you own the house, so surely you can do

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Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, stay out of my house, keep

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Speaker 2: your mits out of it, cou Yeah, yeah, yeah, But

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Speaker 2: I mean I can see the problem because I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very true. So looking forward to your thoughts on

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Speaker 3: that after three o'clock. After two o'clock, being charged for

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Speaker 3: playing music and cafes a post on social media. I'll

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Speaker 3: just read a little bit of it out. We'll read

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Speaker 3: the whole thing out after two. But here it is.

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Speaker 3: We're a small business that got contacted a few emails

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Speaker 3: Then they called us. At that time, we didn't know

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Speaker 3: that playing Spotify was illegal for three of us, including

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Speaker 3: a client, despite having a subscription. We then started playing

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Speaker 3: royalty free music. Still this organization has come back and

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Speaker 2: So what is their business?

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Speaker 3: This was a health business, is what the posts said.

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Speaker 2: So they said there was only one client in there.

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Speaker 3: One client and three employees.

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Speaker 2: That I don't know. I just immediately thought, does one

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Speaker 2: music hastle those absolute punishers that walk down the street

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Speaker 2: Yilli boom on there, you know, strapped around them. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: sharing the music with everyone one one music should chase

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Speaker 2: them down for a license. So you know, people you

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Speaker 2: might not know this, but if you run a cafe,

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Speaker 2: then you have to pay get a music license to

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Speaker 2: play play music in your in your cafe. It's it's

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Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's not cheap, and they'll they'll

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Speaker 2: there's two payments, and I think one music brings it together, right,

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Speaker 2: there's two payments. There's the automatic royalty that goes to

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Speaker 2: the owners of the recording, and there's the royalty that

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Speaker 2: goes to the songwriters, the composition royalty.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Correct, So these guys have kind of algamated those two

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Speaker 3: royalty fees. But it surprised me. I mean, when you're

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Speaker 3: looking at Spotify, you're already paying a subscription yourself. If

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Speaker 3: subscription for more than one person. Then if you're playing

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Speaker 2: And the weird thing is it's done on you know,

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Speaker 2: size of your business. It's not how many people are

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Speaker 2: it's the same as you know, two clients, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that doesn't seem right. But that's the question

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Speaker 3: we're going to put to you, is is the law

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Speaker 3: around paying for music licenses and cafes for purpose? That

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Speaker 3: is after two o'clock because right now we do want

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Speaker 3: to have a chat about anniversary days. New Zealand has

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Speaker 3: is it time we unify into one national anniversary day

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Speaker 3: and that day should be today?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So someone sorry texts and Tyler you are a traitor.

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Speaker 2: You're from christ Church. You're an absolute sellout because you're

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Speaker 2: you're saying that the whole country should get in line

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Speaker 2: And you're saying that even though you know about carp

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Speaker 2: So do you support this because do you? Okay? The

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Speaker 2: first there's two questions here. Firstly, do you support the

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Speaker 2: Do you support that? And the arguments for that, I

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Speaker 2: guess would be around productivity and certainty for businesses. It's

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Speaker 2: pretty hard to get you to be really kicking Arson

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Speaker 3: Closed, definitely, what do you meant to do in that scenario?

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Speaker 2: So with all these different days being closed, you know,

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Speaker 2: different regions been closed at different times than the coordination

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Speaker 2: effectively means that there's more than one holiday off worth

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Correct, simplify the payroll, leave school calendars. I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of pros for this. Can I just say before.

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Speaker 2: Let me give me my second question?

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Speaker 6: Sorry?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Tod, I'm getting excited.

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Speaker 2: Here basically at work, but you're basically on holiday with

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Speaker 2: that one. No, The second question is which day should

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Speaker 2: it align with? Yes, if it did, if you if

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Speaker 2: you agree that it should be aligned as one day

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Speaker 2: across the entire country, just regional holiday day, what day

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Speaker 2: should it be aligned with? The arguments for Auckland, I

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Speaker 2: guess are that already a bunch of places at the

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Speaker 2: same time at the moment you had Auckland, Northland, why Katto,

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Speaker 2: I think Nelson is the second of feb this year.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, so they judge days a few days later. Yeah, okay, yeah, apologies, apologies.

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Speaker 3: So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to that christ chich texture I actually did a bit

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Speaker 3: of research into the origin of Canterbury Anniversary Day, so

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Speaker 3: it's not traditionally during Cup and Show Week. It was

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Speaker 3: Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: Out, bring it forward. Nine two is the takes back

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Speaker 3: Twenty past one. Is it time to unify all of

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Speaker 2: A supplementary question. Why don't they Friday eyes Auckland Anniversary?

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Speaker 8: Oh just love you guys. I mean, I quite like

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Speaker 2: Where are you from stand.

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Speaker 4: I'm in the great city of Wellington, Okay.

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Speaker 2: So when when it's Wellington Anniversary Day, which was last

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Speaker 4: I took a day off, but I like the options.

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Speaker 8: what do you want them to do? You want them

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Speaker 8: to shift them, to.

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Speaker 2: Move them in line with Auckland anniversary.

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Speaker 9: But why why?

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Speaker 6: The reason why.

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Speaker 2: Productivity across the country. You have people different clothes at

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Speaker 8: Using your argument, let's get get rid of all provincial

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Speaker 10: Let's get rid of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we're saying, and then make them all

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Speaker 8: No, because then you're still losing productivity, you aren't you

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Speaker 2: Because the argument was, well, you know a lot of

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Speaker 8: Well, I like having living in a country. We've got

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Speaker 8: Why should people in prist you have to standardize everything

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Speaker 3: Yeah, traditionally it should be celebrated on the sixteenth of December.

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Speaker 2: But someday they thought sixteenth December is too close to Christmas.

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Speaker 2: because you could sit around, you know, you make it

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Speaker 2: And then and then if you're in Wellington you celebrate

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Speaker 3: Beg your town on National Anniversary Day. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we spend the whole morning just meditating

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Speaker 3: I'm going to celebrate my region on this aniversary day.

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Speaker 2: Celebrating your region can mean something totally different.

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Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 1: One, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic

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Speaker 11: I'm plained by acc to dig themselves out of their

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Speaker 2: Would that be fair?

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Speaker 12: Mike?

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Speaker 4: It's ambitious.

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Speaker 11: How much of The equation here of what you're trying

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Speaker 11: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 3: Half past one. Plenty of texts coming through.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm a public servant living in christ Church. I

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Speaker 2: like Wellington Anniversary Days because it's the one day of

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Speaker 3: I don't like the date. I mean, it's a great week.

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Speaker 3: This is a nice run into the year for me

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Speaker 2: Why is South Canterbury running May the twenty eighth and

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Speaker 3: Again, it's confusing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so South Canterbury just double dipping because they

439
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Speaker 2: all go to show show week and then they have

440
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Speaker 2: their own holiday as well.

441
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Speaker 3: Yeah. If they are double dipping, good on you, well done,

442
00:20:47,813 --> 00:20:52,013
Speaker 3: well played. Can say that to stands points that when

443
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Speaker 3: you have an anniversary day, and I want to say today,

444
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Speaker 3: for example, if I was having the day off in Auckland,

445
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Speaker 3: not clearly I'm not. I'm working. But if I wanted

446
00:21:00,173 --> 00:21:02,773
Speaker 3: to go travel down to christ Church for the long weekend,

447
00:21:02,893 --> 00:21:05,053
Speaker 3: who am I going to catch up with? Everybody else

448
00:21:05,133 --> 00:21:07,493
Speaker 3: is working, so I can't really catch up with friends

449
00:21:07,493 --> 00:21:10,773
Speaker 3: and family. I'm coming down to christ U it's Auckland anniversary.

450
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Speaker 3: Do you want to go and play some golf? You can't.

451
00:21:12,533 --> 00:21:14,653
Speaker 3: I'm working because it's not a holiday for us down

452
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Speaker 3: here in christ Ube.

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Speaker 2: So what you're saying is that these sort of this

454
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Speaker 2: anniversary days being different across the country is breaking up

455
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Speaker 2: families and ruining friend groups.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what I'm saying. It's not good for social cohesion.

457
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Speaker 2: Because you know, I could go and I could go

458
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Speaker 2: and you know, hang out with me dad. Yeah, if

459
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Speaker 2: all they were lined up, it could be go and

460
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Speaker 2: hang out with you. It could be return to your

461
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Speaker 2: your region of origin day. Okay, right now, everyone goes

462
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Speaker 2: to the region of origin. Yep on that day. You

463
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Speaker 2: know that. You know, you couldn't force people to do it,

464
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Speaker 2: but maybe that would be that would be a way

465
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Speaker 2: you look at it. You go, you know, I'm from

466
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Speaker 2: a target, so on region Day, yep. We just make

467
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Speaker 2: it a tradition. Then you head back to your region for.

468
00:21:53,333 --> 00:21:55,693
Speaker 3: A day and subsidized flights to your region, yep, just

469
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Speaker 3: got to show your regional cards.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. In New Zealand would absolutely remuss in

471
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Speaker 2: regional day, certainly.

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Speaker 3: Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

473
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Speaker 3: number to call. I love to your thoughts about Unify

474
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Speaker 3: Anniversary Day up and down the country. Have it as

475
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Speaker 3: just one day, and if you're into it, what day

476
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Speaker 3: should that be? Nine two ninety two is the text

477
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Speaker 3: plenty of those coming through.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure about the Universal Day, but the Auckland

479
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Speaker 2: Anniversity Day is fabulous as it gives that extra time

480
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Speaker 2: for families to enjoy summer ah before school. So I

481
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Speaker 2: see what you're saying, sir. Yes, it's actually midwinter here

482
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Speaker 2: in Auckland.

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Speaker 3: She's pretty grim out there at the moment. Is twenty

484
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Speaker 3: eight to two taking your calls. Oh eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty headlines with Raylene coming up bag very shortly.

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Speaker 15: more at ends in Herald Premium. Now back to Matteathan

507
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Speaker 15: Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

509
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Speaker 2: Ray Lean.

510
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Speaker 3: So we're talking about UNIFYE anniversary days up and down

511
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Speaker 3: the country till one day.

512
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Speaker 2: I said that, Yeah, yeah, the swear word.

513
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Speaker 3: Not the swear word. All right, nobody got the swear word.

514
00:24:13,813 --> 00:24:15,773
Speaker 3: We've got the dump button for that just in case. Okay,

515
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Speaker 3: I know that you're very excited, which other people. What's

516
00:24:19,053 --> 00:24:19,413
Speaker 3: going on?

517
00:24:19,813 --> 00:24:23,693
Speaker 2: Like, I'm just watching my beloved Los Angeles Rams in

518
00:24:23,733 --> 00:24:27,173
Speaker 2: the championship game against the Seattle Seahawks.

519
00:24:27,373 --> 00:24:28,093
Speaker 3: It's a tight game.

520
00:24:28,533 --> 00:24:30,733
Speaker 2: It's very tight, very tight.

521
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very exciting. Right, we are talking about anniversary day now,

522
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Speaker 3: can I I've just written down a couple of pros

523
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Speaker 3: about what one shared day would do. So it would

524
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Speaker 3: simplify payroll, leave, school calendars, it would create a clear,

525
00:24:42,293 --> 00:24:46,333
Speaker 3: predictable long weekend for everybody that's important, boost domestic travel

526
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Speaker 3: and national events on a single high impact date. So

527
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Speaker 3: we can all you know, if you'd share and comes

528
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Speaker 3: to the country on our national anniversary day, we can

529
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Speaker 3: all celebrate it, and it would still on a regional

530
00:24:55,773 --> 00:24:59,773
Speaker 3: history through local celebrations, just without the chaos. So same pride,

531
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Speaker 3: less confusion, one country, one anniversary day. Let's go.

532
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Speaker 2: Powerful argument there, Tyler, Thank you. This texta says isn't

533
00:25:07,773 --> 00:25:09,053
Speaker 2: going to happen, just let it go.

534
00:25:09,253 --> 00:25:10,293
Speaker 3: Well that's powerful as well.

535
00:25:10,893 --> 00:25:13,813
Speaker 2: Well, no, it's not, actually because they added an entire

536
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Speaker 2: holiday a few years ago.

537
00:25:15,053 --> 00:25:15,413
Speaker 3: They did.

538
00:25:15,453 --> 00:25:17,572
Speaker 2: They added of course sadiki, right, yes, yeah, So if

539
00:25:17,613 --> 00:25:20,813
Speaker 2: you think it's on, it's what's more or less likely

540
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Speaker 2: that they add a completely new holiday to the calendar,

541
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Speaker 2: everyone off holiday, full holiday out of calendar, then that

542
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Speaker 2: they aligne a whole lot of holidays that are already

543
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Speaker 2: being moved around, you know, which which he thinks more likely?

544
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, clearly going the anniversary day.

545
00:25:36,613 --> 00:25:40,093
Speaker 2: This person said South Canterbury Holiday is on the twenty

546
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Speaker 2: seventh of September. Yu, muppet, Yeah, but it gets Monday eyes.

547
00:25:42,973 --> 00:25:45,573
Speaker 2: So this year South Canterbury Anniversary Day is on Monday

548
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Speaker 2: the twenty eighth.

549
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Speaker 3: Correct. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

550
00:25:48,853 --> 00:25:51,093
Speaker 3: number to call. What do you think about unifying all

551
00:25:51,133 --> 00:25:54,093
Speaker 3: the anniversary days to make it a bit more simple?

552
00:25:54,173 --> 00:25:58,453
Speaker 3: Nineteen nine two is text get a Stephen's a game.

553
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Speaker 3: Very good mate, Thanks for calling in.

554
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Speaker 12: Yeah, no worries. I hope it's not too late to

555
00:26:03,213 --> 00:26:04,853
Speaker 12: say every New Year and all the rest.

556
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Speaker 2: Thanks, all right.

557
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Speaker 12: I take your point, but this is, you know, an

558
00:26:11,213 --> 00:26:15,493
Speaker 12: anniversary day is pretty much like a birthday. It's commemorating

559
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Speaker 12: an actual event on an actual date, not like Labor

560
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Speaker 12: Day or New Zealand Day or Mataiki which is always

561
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Speaker 12: the same date every time. So and I think it.

562
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Speaker 12: I mean, it's none of these holidays staggered. For goodness sake,

563
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Speaker 12: it's one day a year. If people can't organize their

564
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Speaker 12: family together days around the other public holidays, that's got

565
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Speaker 12: to be a worry. I take your point about all

566
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Speaker 12: the things you just summarily listed the reasons for, and

567
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Speaker 12: in one respect, I'd agree with you. If they can

568
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Speaker 12: Monday eyes those dates, then clearly they're not being utterly

569
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Speaker 12: pedantic to actual date. So I take that point on book. Okay, absolutely,

570
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Speaker 12: I just wanted to share, you know, where does it stop?

571
00:27:04,253 --> 00:27:06,853
Speaker 12: Like I said, should we just make everyone's birthday like

572
00:27:06,933 --> 00:27:12,093
Speaker 12: they do with or was born on the first of January?

573
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Speaker 2: I mean, some some some people do that this. There

574
00:27:16,333 --> 00:27:17,933
Speaker 2: are nations that do that, don't they And it gets

575
00:27:17,973 --> 00:27:20,253
Speaker 2: really reconfusing around how old people are exactly.

576
00:27:20,333 --> 00:27:22,853
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's probably North Korea, though.

577
00:27:22,733 --> 00:27:28,413
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm just trying to I'm trying

578
00:27:28,453 --> 00:27:30,573
Speaker 2: to find out exactly who that is that does do that,

579
00:27:30,653 --> 00:27:33,053
Speaker 2: and this is also quite a mainstream religion that does

580
00:27:33,093 --> 00:27:36,573
Speaker 2: that as well. But yeah, no, no, I mean I

581
00:27:36,653 --> 00:27:39,253
Speaker 2: get your point, but so would you would you support

582
00:27:39,333 --> 00:27:43,053
Speaker 2: a everybody's birthday day that's also a public holiday, so

583
00:27:43,093 --> 00:27:44,933
Speaker 2: it's just birthday day and we all have our birthday

584
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Speaker 2: off at the same time.

585
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Speaker 12: Obviously, my tongue is assumedly and my cheek. I think

586
00:27:52,533 --> 00:27:55,013
Speaker 12: the day should be left as it is, but I

587
00:27:55,133 --> 00:27:58,973
Speaker 12: do take on board payroll and modern technology issues and

588
00:27:59,013 --> 00:28:03,053
Speaker 12: everything like that. There are advantages for the day being standardized.

589
00:28:03,093 --> 00:28:05,133
Speaker 12: I didn't get that. But you know, we're humans. We

590
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Speaker 12: like a bit of variety, so maybe heavy in the

591
00:28:07,933 --> 00:28:10,333
Speaker 12: days like they are to keep a bit of that

592
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Speaker 12: traditional live.

593
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Speaker 3: You know. Do you like the day that you're a

594
00:28:14,093 --> 00:28:18,133
Speaker 3: Wellington Steve? Do you like the Wellington anniversary data? Is

595
00:28:18,173 --> 00:28:18,693
Speaker 3: that good for you?

596
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Speaker 12: Yeah? I mean it doesn't bother me the way it's

597
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Speaker 12: a day off. It's quite nice. I mean, I in

598
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Speaker 12: some respects it might be nice perhaps if ore all

599
00:28:30,373 --> 00:28:33,053
Speaker 12: the same month or something, but I mean you get

600
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Speaker 12: some places that are near the end of the end

601
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Speaker 12: of the year. But I, as I said, I accept

602
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Speaker 12: that that's when those regions actually earn their their status.

603
00:28:42,813 --> 00:28:47,613
Speaker 12: So yeah, it's I mean, it's just as what it is. Yeah, well,

604
00:28:47,613 --> 00:28:50,373
Speaker 12: I'm happy with Wellington's day. A bit of a pain

605
00:28:50,413 --> 00:28:52,973
Speaker 12: today because you've got guys in Auckland are off and

606
00:28:53,333 --> 00:28:56,853
Speaker 12: all our tech support has gone down. But anyways, exactly.

607
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Speaker 3: Steve, I mean, that's a big that's a big part

608
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Speaker 3: of the argument that when Auckland shuts down or the

609
00:29:01,613 --> 00:29:04,053
Speaker 3: top of the North Islands, there's a lot of businesses

610
00:29:04,093 --> 00:29:06,773
Speaker 3: who you know, do business across regions and that's a

611
00:29:06,813 --> 00:29:09,053
Speaker 3: pain in the ars. I mean the pre activity for

612
00:29:09,333 --> 00:29:11,693
Speaker 3: you guys on the day is kind of about, you know,

613
00:29:12,453 --> 00:29:14,693
Speaker 3: half ass because you can't you can't do anything.

614
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Speaker 12: Well, even if we went halfway and two will have

615
00:29:17,293 --> 00:29:19,853
Speaker 12: about a North Island Day and a South Island day,

616
00:29:20,213 --> 00:29:23,933
Speaker 12: conglomerate them like that, that that might work possibly.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yeah, Steven, thank.

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Speaker 2: You very much, Thank you for you, Bill Stephen. Now

619
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Speaker 2: you know Bhutan, the people of Bhutan, Yes, so they

620
00:29:34,853 --> 00:29:38,653
Speaker 2: do not recognize individual birthdays. Everyone in the country turns

621
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Speaker 2: another year older together each January the first, which is

622
00:29:44,373 --> 00:29:47,493
Speaker 2: a little bit problematic if you're born eleven fifty nine

623
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Speaker 2: pm one minute before New Years, because then you you're

624
00:29:52,013 --> 00:29:53,453
Speaker 2: one minute older than you one year old.

625
00:29:54,093 --> 00:29:55,133
Speaker 3: They would get confusing.

626
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Speaker 2: And I think it's similar potentially in Vietnam. In traditional

627
00:29:59,173 --> 00:30:02,813
Speaker 2: Vietnam culture, everyone celebrates their birthday on the same day.

628
00:30:03,293 --> 00:30:04,493
Speaker 3: Interesting idea which.

629
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Speaker 2: I believe is sort of late January or early February

630
00:30:06,973 --> 00:30:10,173
Speaker 2: or something like that. But I think it doesn't really

631
00:30:10,293 --> 00:30:14,613
Speaker 2: work with drinking ages and you know those kind of things.

632
00:30:14,853 --> 00:30:18,053
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, school cutoffs, you know, votine.

633
00:30:18,453 --> 00:30:20,213
Speaker 2: You know, being able to call it up for war

634
00:30:20,253 --> 00:30:21,813
Speaker 2: and all those kind of age related things.

635
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but creet me if I'm wrong. I think Bhutan

636
00:30:24,533 --> 00:30:26,333
Speaker 3: has come out as one of the happiest countries year

637
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Speaker 3: on year on year. So everyone's celebrating their birthday on

638
00:30:29,533 --> 00:30:31,573
Speaker 3: the first of jan I don't know. Maybe they're doing

639
00:30:31,573 --> 00:30:32,053
Speaker 3: something right.

640
00:30:32,173 --> 00:30:33,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, but do you get as many? I mean, I

641
00:30:33,733 --> 00:30:36,253
Speaker 2: guess it becomes like Christmas? Right, Yeah, everyone gets presents

642
00:30:36,293 --> 00:30:36,813
Speaker 2: at the same time.

643
00:30:36,853 --> 00:30:39,173
Speaker 3: Heavy birthday to everybody. Just get it all out of

644
00:30:39,173 --> 00:30:40,453
Speaker 3: the way. You don't have to worry, you know, you

645
00:30:40,493 --> 00:30:42,533
Speaker 3: don't have to bother about Facebook telling you when someone's

646
00:30:42,533 --> 00:30:43,013
Speaker 3: birthday is.

647
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Speaker 2: You know, everyone gets called you know, eavy birthday, to

648
00:30:47,453 --> 00:30:49,213
Speaker 2: you have birthday, you look like a monkey. And yet

649
00:30:49,253 --> 00:30:52,133
Speaker 2: late one too. I sang that at my friend Bryce

650
00:30:52,253 --> 00:30:54,693
Speaker 2: at his birthday when we were kids, and he started crying.

651
00:30:55,413 --> 00:30:58,573
Speaker 2: I got taken home. So you know, that kind of

652
00:30:58,573 --> 00:30:59,453
Speaker 2: thing wouldn't happen.

653
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Speaker 3: It only happens one day. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

654
00:31:02,493 --> 00:31:04,653
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. Love your thoughts

655
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Speaker 3: on this? Is it time to unify anniversary days to

656
00:31:07,213 --> 00:31:09,653
Speaker 3: make it as simple as possible or do you think

657
00:31:09,693 --> 00:31:13,173
Speaker 3: that's a crazy idea? It is sixteen to two.

658
00:31:13,693 --> 00:31:17,253
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

659
00:31:17,253 --> 00:31:18,173
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty.

660
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Speaker 7: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams. Afternoons news talks be

661
00:31:22,133 --> 00:31:23,333
Speaker 7: fourteen to two.

662
00:31:23,373 --> 00:31:25,933
Speaker 3: We're talking about anniversary days up and down the country.

663
00:31:26,333 --> 00:31:29,173
Speaker 3: Is at time to amalgamate them all into one day

664
00:31:29,213 --> 00:31:32,053
Speaker 3: that we all celebrate our collective anniversary day. A one

665
00:31:32,133 --> 00:31:33,533
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty so number.

666
00:31:33,333 --> 00:31:34,893
Speaker 2: To call the six says you guys are clueless on

667
00:31:34,933 --> 00:31:38,053
Speaker 2: this anniversary day matter. AMP shows are the backbone of

668
00:31:38,093 --> 00:31:42,133
Speaker 2: many regional holidays. These shows have popular sideshow entertainments which

669
00:31:42,173 --> 00:31:44,733
Speaker 2: travel around New Zealand. Booked ahead of each show. We're

670
00:31:44,773 --> 00:31:48,333
Speaker 2: all supply company man displays around New Zealand. It can

671
00:31:48,373 --> 00:31:51,253
Speaker 2: all be done on the one day. It can't all

672
00:31:51,293 --> 00:31:53,653
Speaker 2: be done on the one day, your plankers. Thanks for

673
00:31:53,693 --> 00:31:55,813
Speaker 2: your text there, Andrew. I mean that's a good point

674
00:31:57,173 --> 00:31:59,813
Speaker 2: that the you know, the amb shows, there's a lot

675
00:31:59,813 --> 00:32:04,253
Speaker 2: of you know, rusty machinery that has to be pulled around,

676
00:32:04,853 --> 00:32:06,293
Speaker 2: terrifying for virus wills and such.

677
00:32:06,333 --> 00:32:08,493
Speaker 3: Now that's right, Yeah, you gotta make sure that those

678
00:32:08,493 --> 00:32:10,173
Speaker 3: carnies have got time to set it all up.

679
00:32:10,493 --> 00:32:13,053
Speaker 2: I think it's unfair to say that we are clueless

680
00:32:13,053 --> 00:32:14,373
Speaker 2: when it comes to AMP shows.

681
00:32:14,373 --> 00:32:15,533
Speaker 3: So I love an AMP show.

682
00:32:15,533 --> 00:32:17,653
Speaker 2: I've worked at a number of amph have you, Yeah.

683
00:32:17,613 --> 00:32:20,053
Speaker 3: On the carnei side or on the farming side.

684
00:32:20,813 --> 00:32:23,173
Speaker 2: My dad at used to I don't want to go

685
00:32:23,173 --> 00:32:25,213
Speaker 2: into too much details, but it was involved in the

686
00:32:25,253 --> 00:32:27,773
Speaker 2: prize prize part of it. Nice.

687
00:32:27,933 --> 00:32:28,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good time.

688
00:32:28,973 --> 00:32:30,813
Speaker 2: So it's a bit of printing of certificates.

689
00:32:31,373 --> 00:32:33,253
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure a lot of AMP shows are held

690
00:32:33,293 --> 00:32:37,453
Speaker 3: on a Saturday, you know. I'm thinking Canterbury is obviously

691
00:32:37,493 --> 00:32:39,533
Speaker 3: held on the Friday, and that goes for three days.

692
00:32:39,573 --> 00:32:41,813
Speaker 3: There's not too many AMP shows that go for multiple days,

693
00:32:41,813 --> 00:32:44,253
Speaker 3: but why not have it on a Saturday and then

694
00:32:44,293 --> 00:32:47,813
Speaker 3: we have our unified anniversary Day as a nation and

695
00:32:47,813 --> 00:32:50,253
Speaker 3: then go to your local AMP show on the weekend. Yeah,

696
00:32:50,253 --> 00:32:51,413
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

697
00:32:51,453 --> 00:32:53,133
Speaker 2: But I do, I do. I do get the point,

698
00:32:53,173 --> 00:32:56,173
Speaker 2: the logistical point of that. You know that the logistics

699
00:32:56,173 --> 00:32:59,893
Speaker 2: of all the stuff and also you know people presenting

700
00:33:00,013 --> 00:33:02,173
Speaker 2: at different AMP shows at different times of the country.

701
00:33:02,253 --> 00:33:04,293
Speaker 2: You know, it's the logistics. Yeah, it's like if every

702
00:33:04,293 --> 00:33:06,093
Speaker 2: beer feist in the country was on the same day.

703
00:33:06,173 --> 00:33:08,933
Speaker 2: Good point. Then the micro breweries would find hard to

704
00:33:09,333 --> 00:33:10,013
Speaker 2: appear at each one.

705
00:33:10,133 --> 00:33:11,213
Speaker 3: You have a very good point, Doug.

706
00:33:12,693 --> 00:33:18,573
Speaker 10: Hi, Hi lads, Yeah, I'm quite I'm quite happy to

707
00:33:18,613 --> 00:33:25,893
Speaker 10: have a universal day or like you're suggesting. But the

708
00:33:26,013 --> 00:33:32,653
Speaker 10: day to look at would be Friday in October. That's

709
00:33:32,733 --> 00:33:37,453
Speaker 10: our Hawks Bay Anniversary Day. Yes, it's it's it's connected

710
00:33:37,493 --> 00:33:43,053
Speaker 10: to an a m Pche which is a Wednesday, Thursday Friday.

711
00:33:43,413 --> 00:33:46,173
Speaker 10: We call it People's Day, and then we have the

712
00:33:46,213 --> 00:33:50,893
Speaker 10: weekend and then we have Labor Day. And most of

713
00:33:50,973 --> 00:33:54,893
Speaker 10: New Zealanders coming out of o bleak winter and you

714
00:33:55,013 --> 00:33:58,893
Speaker 10: reach October, some flowers are blooming again, stuff like that

715
00:33:59,413 --> 00:34:05,013
Speaker 10: spiritual rising. It's a it's a spectacular time to have

716
00:34:05,973 --> 00:34:10,453
Speaker 10: an anniversary day that could be country wide because all

717
00:34:10,493 --> 00:34:15,652
Speaker 10: of them is picking up the vibele springs on its way.

718
00:34:15,692 --> 00:34:17,533
Speaker 10: Blah blah blah.

719
00:34:17,693 --> 00:34:21,453
Speaker 2: So is that just a coincidence that it just happens

720
00:34:21,493 --> 00:34:25,413
Speaker 2: to sit on the Friday before Labor Day or does

721
00:34:25,453 --> 00:34:28,053
Speaker 2: it actually just line up with you know, does it

722
00:34:28,093 --> 00:34:30,133
Speaker 2: actually line up for when you know, the founding of

723
00:34:30,133 --> 00:34:32,533
Speaker 2: Hawk's Bay Province or has it been moved to that day?

724
00:34:32,933 --> 00:34:37,613
Speaker 10: Initially the the it was we used to have a

725
00:34:37,693 --> 00:34:42,853
Speaker 10: Tuesday Wednesday and Tuesday, which was Hawks Bay Anniversary Day

726
00:34:43,493 --> 00:34:47,573
Speaker 10: and called People's Day. Then everybody went on there. He

727
00:34:47,653 --> 00:34:51,053
Speaker 10: went back, We're going a Friday, then Saturday, Sunday and

728
00:34:51,093 --> 00:34:57,093
Speaker 10: then Monday. So so many people would take a Friday off,

729
00:34:57,493 --> 00:35:01,653
Speaker 10: they just shifted it one day to make the Friday

730
00:35:01,733 --> 00:35:03,733
Speaker 10: the anniversary day.

731
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Speaker 6: Of hawks Bay. See.

732
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Speaker 10: And interesting enough, it only covers in Hastings, right if

733
00:35:10,773 --> 00:35:14,373
Speaker 10: you go south of Hastings here into Wellington and if

734
00:35:14,373 --> 00:35:18,373
Speaker 10: you go north of Aypshire here into Auckland, I believe.

735
00:35:19,653 --> 00:35:23,013
Speaker 10: But that that to me of all the the I mean,

736
00:35:23,093 --> 00:35:27,053
Speaker 10: so many anniversary days they land themselves in school holidays

737
00:35:27,053 --> 00:35:29,773
Speaker 10: and stuff like that. Yeah, but even school kids and

738
00:35:29,813 --> 00:35:34,252
Speaker 10: everybody like that is it's been quite a break there've

739
00:35:34,293 --> 00:35:38,173
Speaker 10: been at school. It's been short, you know, short daylight

740
00:35:38,213 --> 00:35:41,133
Speaker 10: hours blah blah blah. And things are on the turn

741
00:35:41,213 --> 00:35:43,253
Speaker 10: again come October and it's.

742
00:35:43,133 --> 00:35:45,333
Speaker 2: Quite a forget. There isn't there between, you know, in

743
00:35:45,453 --> 00:35:51,692
Speaker 2: terms of the nationwide public holidays between Matariki and Labor Day, right,

744
00:35:51,733 --> 00:35:53,573
Speaker 2: so it's quite a sort of a barren area between

745
00:35:53,653 --> 00:35:56,853
Speaker 2: July and October. So having a big one so I

746
00:35:56,893 --> 00:35:58,773
Speaker 2: think I'm on board with us let's let's move it

747
00:35:58,813 --> 00:36:01,613
Speaker 2: all into a line with the great region of Hawk's Bay.

748
00:36:02,533 --> 00:36:06,133
Speaker 10: I think how how long it was before Madaeriki became

749
00:36:06,533 --> 00:36:07,573
Speaker 10: an official holiday.

750
00:36:07,613 --> 00:36:11,493
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, from into October was bleak, bleak months.

751
00:36:11,493 --> 00:36:13,293
Speaker 2: That was King's Birthday or Queen's Birthday.

752
00:36:14,213 --> 00:36:16,093
Speaker 10: That's why that was the only humper. That was the

753
00:36:16,133 --> 00:36:17,333
Speaker 10: only good spot, isn't it.

754
00:36:17,653 --> 00:36:20,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's an interesting argument though. People say, oh,

755
00:36:20,573 --> 00:36:22,813
Speaker 2: you want to have all your public holidays in the

756
00:36:22,853 --> 00:36:25,053
Speaker 2: summer months, you know, because you can go and enjoyment.

757
00:36:25,053 --> 00:36:26,933
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I think a day off

758
00:36:26,933 --> 00:36:29,933
Speaker 2: in winter is as needed as well.

759
00:36:30,013 --> 00:36:31,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need a boost at that time.

760
00:36:31,373 --> 00:36:34,013
Speaker 2: There's lots of winter activities and also you know you

761
00:36:34,093 --> 00:36:36,172
Speaker 2: can winter feasts all that kind of stuff.

762
00:36:36,493 --> 00:36:36,652
Speaker 15: Yeah.

763
00:36:36,693 --> 00:36:40,093
Speaker 10: Well, I always like the spring, the spring break that

764
00:36:40,173 --> 00:36:41,493
Speaker 10: we've got here in Hawksbury.

765
00:36:41,893 --> 00:36:42,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll got on you, dug.

766
00:36:43,093 --> 00:36:44,732
Speaker 3: I think that's the new one. Or a four day

767
00:36:44,813 --> 00:36:47,693
Speaker 3: weekend just to get a labor labor day.

768
00:36:47,533 --> 00:36:49,813
Speaker 2: So much support, Hawk's Bay would be the perfect date

769
00:36:49,853 --> 00:36:53,053
Speaker 2: for the whole country. Simon says, go the magpies, this

770
00:36:53,133 --> 00:36:55,333
Speaker 2: is really really coming in strong.

771
00:36:55,093 --> 00:36:56,573
Speaker 3: All right, if you think you can do better than that,

772
00:36:56,653 --> 00:36:58,533
Speaker 3: But so far. That's the winner by a long shot

773
00:36:58,533 --> 00:37:01,453
Speaker 3: for a unified anniversary day. To have it on October

774
00:37:01,493 --> 00:37:03,373
Speaker 3: the twenty third for a four day long weekend with

775
00:37:03,453 --> 00:37:05,652
Speaker 3: Labour Day sounds pretty good. Oh one hundred and eighty

776
00:37:05,693 --> 00:37:07,252
Speaker 3: ten eighty is a number to call. It is eight

777
00:37:07,293 --> 00:37:07,773
Speaker 3: to two.

778
00:37:09,253 --> 00:37:12,813
Speaker 1: Mad Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

779
00:37:12,813 --> 00:37:16,853
Speaker 1: and eighty. It's mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

780
00:37:16,333 --> 00:37:20,013
Speaker 3: NEWSTALGSB News Dogs there be. It is five minutes to

781
00:37:20,133 --> 00:37:21,133
Speaker 3: two Tech.

782
00:37:20,973 --> 00:37:24,133
Speaker 2: For October twenty third National Anniversary Day. So much support

783
00:37:24,173 --> 00:37:27,413
Speaker 2: for Hook's Bay anniversary plus Labor weekend is just fantastic.

784
00:37:27,493 --> 00:37:30,933
Speaker 2: Usually beautiful weather and the area just buzzes. That's from Jane.

785
00:37:30,973 --> 00:37:33,212
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of people fizzing on that idea. Yeah, yeah,

786
00:37:33,333 --> 00:37:36,613
Speaker 3: tell that meat here Hawks Bay guy to pass off. Hey, hey,

787
00:37:36,693 --> 00:37:40,493
Speaker 3: come on, yes, would.

788
00:37:40,253 --> 00:37:44,053
Speaker 2: Never say that to Doug. Great great man, Bruce, welcome

789
00:37:44,053 --> 00:37:44,413
Speaker 2: to the show.

790
00:37:45,693 --> 00:37:46,933
Speaker 16: Oh hi, guys, tell you today?

791
00:37:47,173 --> 00:37:48,213
Speaker 3: Very good? What do you reckon?

792
00:37:48,813 --> 00:37:49,013
Speaker 6: Hey?

793
00:37:49,453 --> 00:37:51,893
Speaker 16: Hey, look, I just we were in a call center

794
00:37:51,973 --> 00:37:56,453
Speaker 16: based in crisis, which is nationwide and so on Kennery

795
00:37:56,453 --> 00:38:00,212
Speaker 16: Anniversary Day last year, all of our team has to work,

796
00:38:00,253 --> 00:38:02,893
Speaker 16: so so we cover the whole all of the country.

797
00:38:03,733 --> 00:38:05,253
Speaker 16: What we do is we paid him obviously paid him

798
00:38:05,253 --> 00:38:07,293
Speaker 16: time and a half in the day in lou and

799
00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:08,933
Speaker 16: the day in lou was there. You take it off

800
00:38:08,973 --> 00:38:11,373
Speaker 16: today because Auckland's closed.

801
00:38:12,293 --> 00:38:15,692
Speaker 2: Right right, and so can you can you you know,

802
00:38:15,853 --> 00:38:17,573
Speaker 2: can you tell them what day and loud to take off?

803
00:38:18,493 --> 00:38:20,573
Speaker 16: Well, I think it has to suit both parties. Yeah,

804
00:38:21,093 --> 00:38:24,533
Speaker 16: and without knowing the I'm not a lawyer. I'm not

805
00:38:24,533 --> 00:38:26,652
Speaker 16: a lawyer, but either, but I think if they said

806
00:38:26,693 --> 00:38:27,533
Speaker 16: it doesn't suit.

807
00:38:27,333 --> 00:38:29,373
Speaker 4: Me, then we we negotiate another day.

808
00:38:29,653 --> 00:38:33,333
Speaker 16: But pretty much it works well for both parties so

809
00:38:33,453 --> 00:38:36,853
Speaker 16: we can plan our work. Like today, we haven't got

810
00:38:36,853 --> 00:38:40,613
Speaker 16: many people on because of Auckland, but equally when it's

811
00:38:40,653 --> 00:38:43,333
Speaker 16: Canary Day is at the population base, so we've always

812
00:38:43,373 --> 00:38:45,053
Speaker 16: done that from kind of day one, and it's more

813
00:38:45,093 --> 00:38:48,453
Speaker 16: well for both people. So I hadn't. I just was

814
00:38:48,493 --> 00:38:50,133
Speaker 16: just throwing along and so listened to the show and

815
00:38:50,133 --> 00:38:51,933
Speaker 16: I thought, I don't know if anyone else has kind

816
00:38:51,933 --> 00:38:52,813
Speaker 16: of suggested that or not.

817
00:38:53,053 --> 00:38:55,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting one because that's exactly what we're talking

818
00:38:55,693 --> 00:38:59,533
Speaker 2: about kind of the logistics across the country. But I guess,

819
00:39:00,293 --> 00:39:02,373
Speaker 2: you know, for you it would be better if there

820
00:39:02,453 --> 00:39:08,652
Speaker 2: was just one one national regional day on one day.

821
00:39:08,973 --> 00:39:11,053
Speaker 16: I guess we've been doing what we've been doing for

822
00:39:11,093 --> 00:39:13,973
Speaker 16: so long was kind of works and it seemed innovative

823
00:39:14,013 --> 00:39:14,453
Speaker 16: at the time.

824
00:39:14,773 --> 00:39:15,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, good on you.

825
00:39:15,493 --> 00:39:17,053
Speaker 17: Sorry, we have to go because the news is coming

826
00:39:17,093 --> 00:39:19,493
Speaker 17: in fast. Bruce, think you have You've got great discussion.

827
00:39:19,533 --> 00:39:21,413
Speaker 17: Thank you very much to everyone who text and called

828
00:39:21,453 --> 00:39:24,373
Speaker 17: on that one. Coming up after two o'clock, we want

829
00:39:24,413 --> 00:39:27,973
Speaker 17: to talk about musical licenses for places like cafes.

830
00:39:28,013 --> 00:39:31,333
Speaker 3: Have you come into trouble with one music? End zed?

831
00:39:31,493 --> 00:39:33,293
Speaker 3: That is next.

832
00:39:34,533 --> 00:39:38,333
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams

833
00:39:38,373 --> 00:39:40,173
Speaker 1: afternoons news talks.

834
00:39:40,213 --> 00:39:43,973
Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoons here. Welcome back into the program.

835
00:39:44,133 --> 00:39:47,573
Speaker 3: Six past two. So good to have your company.

836
00:39:47,573 --> 00:39:50,413
Speaker 2: As always, some hateful stuff coming through there. Know that

837
00:39:50,453 --> 00:39:53,413
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of the Los Angeles Rams. Matt

838
00:39:53,533 --> 00:39:57,413
Speaker 2: up the Seahawks, sucking egg your jaffer? Very good.

839
00:39:57,853 --> 00:39:58,493
Speaker 3: That's hurtful.

840
00:39:58,733 --> 00:40:02,053
Speaker 2: That's a hurtful little poem, quite cleverly constructed. It is

841
00:40:02,133 --> 00:40:05,013
Speaker 2: Matte up the Seahawks. This is Seattle Seahawks. Suck an

842
00:40:05,013 --> 00:40:06,973
Speaker 2: egg your jaffer.

843
00:40:07,013 --> 00:40:07,933
Speaker 3: It's close to hiker.

844
00:40:08,373 --> 00:40:11,013
Speaker 2: He knows that I'm from a target that tea. Yeah,

845
00:40:11,213 --> 00:40:13,053
Speaker 2: and he knows that I'm allergic to eggs, and he

846
00:40:13,093 --> 00:40:13,973
Speaker 2: knows I support the.

847
00:40:14,013 --> 00:40:17,413
Speaker 3: Ramsh That is cruel but also quite funny, So keep

848
00:40:17,413 --> 00:40:19,133
Speaker 3: those teas coming through. On nine two nine two, I

849
00:40:19,213 --> 00:40:20,213
Speaker 3: was going to try and.

850
00:40:20,173 --> 00:40:22,733
Speaker 2: Sort of say, stay spailler free on the game, and

851
00:40:22,813 --> 00:40:24,853
Speaker 2: you know, watch it when I got home, because last

852
00:40:24,893 --> 00:40:31,373
Speaker 2: week when the Rams were playing, I stayed you know,

853
00:40:31,373 --> 00:40:34,613
Speaker 2: I tried to stay completely free from it. No information

854
00:40:34,653 --> 00:40:36,493
Speaker 2: came through, turned the news down when it came.

855
00:40:36,293 --> 00:40:37,373
Speaker 3: On Fingers in the Air.

856
00:40:37,493 --> 00:40:40,213
Speaker 2: And then I got home and I turned on Disney

857
00:40:40,813 --> 00:40:43,773
Speaker 2: for the esp and to watch the game, and it

858
00:40:43,853 --> 00:40:45,933
Speaker 2: had the schedule of the championship game, which is this

859
00:40:46,013 --> 00:40:47,933
Speaker 2: game popped up, so I knew knew that the Rams

860
00:40:47,973 --> 00:40:50,773
Speaker 2: had won stitch up. So it's just impossible. It's impossible

861
00:40:50,813 --> 00:40:53,093
Speaker 2: to hide from the NFL in New Zealand. Now it's

862
00:40:53,173 --> 00:40:56,292
Speaker 2: just become too big. So anyway, if you are tring

863
00:40:56,333 --> 00:40:59,053
Speaker 2: to hide, then block your ears. But it's currently the

864
00:40:59,133 --> 00:41:03,253
Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks seventeen, the Rams are thirteen.

865
00:41:03,973 --> 00:41:07,053
Speaker 3: How good tie game? Right, Let's get into this one.

866
00:41:07,213 --> 00:41:10,133
Speaker 3: So it was based on a social media post and

867
00:41:10,173 --> 00:41:13,493
Speaker 3: I'll read it out here. Hello, we're a small business

868
00:41:13,533 --> 00:41:16,893
Speaker 3: that gets contacted, that got contacted a few emails ago

869
00:41:17,173 --> 00:41:19,733
Speaker 3: about what kind of music we play in out.

870
00:41:19,573 --> 00:41:21,133
Speaker 2: A few emails ago. What does that mean?

871
00:41:21,213 --> 00:41:23,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, that got contacted a few emails ago about what

872
00:41:23,533 --> 00:41:26,253
Speaker 3: kind of music we played. So clearly that somebody got

873
00:41:26,253 --> 00:41:27,853
Speaker 3: in touch about the music that they were playing in

874
00:41:27,893 --> 00:41:31,693
Speaker 3: their business. We ignored those emails. They called us, and

875
00:41:31,733 --> 00:41:34,373
Speaker 3: at that time we didn't know that playing Spotify was

876
00:41:34,413 --> 00:41:38,213
Speaker 3: illegal for three of us, including a client, despite having

877
00:41:38,293 --> 00:41:41,813
Speaker 3: a subscription to Spotify. We told them on the phone, fine,

878
00:41:41,893 --> 00:41:44,333
Speaker 3: we won't play the music anymore. Since then, we've played

879
00:41:44,413 --> 00:41:47,493
Speaker 3: Royal T free copyright free music and put it on

880
00:41:47,533 --> 00:41:50,173
Speaker 3: a repeated playlist. They had written to us saying that

881
00:41:50,253 --> 00:41:53,573
Speaker 3: the music was playing during their compliance check. How can

882
00:41:53,613 --> 00:41:55,933
Speaker 3: they check if it's Royal T free or say if

883
00:41:55,973 --> 00:41:59,013
Speaker 3: we hypothetically got a license elsewhere. They shouldn't be in

884
00:41:59,053 --> 00:42:01,413
Speaker 3: the private rooms anyway. We are a health company. By

885
00:42:01,493 --> 00:42:04,493
Speaker 3: the way. The question I've got for you is how

886
00:42:04,613 --> 00:42:06,573
Speaker 3: is this illegal? Who are these guys? And do we

887
00:42:06,653 --> 00:42:09,933
Speaker 3: have to pay to play private music and our business?

888
00:42:10,813 --> 00:42:14,172
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's an interesting one, isn't it. So if

889
00:42:14,173 --> 00:42:17,133
Speaker 2: you don't know how this worked, you know, One Music

890
00:42:17,173 --> 00:42:19,933
Speaker 2: brings together the two types of licensing that there are.

891
00:42:19,973 --> 00:42:24,533
Speaker 2: There's the songwriting licensing, which as you know that the

892
00:42:24,533 --> 00:42:26,453
Speaker 2: person that wrote the song and the lyrics, right, and

893
00:42:26,493 --> 00:42:29,133
Speaker 2: there is the actual recording, and there are two there

894
00:42:29,133 --> 00:42:32,453
Speaker 2: are two businesses in New Zealand that run that. One

895
00:42:32,533 --> 00:42:37,533
Speaker 2: is OPRA and one is AMCOS, the recorded music New

896
00:42:37,653 --> 00:42:40,373
Speaker 2: Zealand industry, right right, Okay, so when you play music,

897
00:42:40,813 --> 00:42:44,253
Speaker 2: the money goes to the recording and to the writer,

898
00:42:45,093 --> 00:42:47,133
Speaker 2: and so the recording is owned by a record company

899
00:42:47,253 --> 00:42:51,053
Speaker 2: usually and the writing is owned to you know, and

900
00:42:51,173 --> 00:42:53,172
Speaker 2: but it gets complicated with let's not go too deep

901
00:42:53,213 --> 00:42:55,453
Speaker 2: into it and publishing deals and all that that kind

902
00:42:55,453 --> 00:42:58,013
Speaker 2: of stuff, right yeah, And so One Music is a

903
00:42:58,013 --> 00:43:00,373
Speaker 2: company that brings those together. So you buy a license

904
00:43:00,453 --> 00:43:04,013
Speaker 2: to be able to play music. And the argument being

905
00:43:04,093 --> 00:43:09,253
Speaker 2: that someone has created something and you're getting a value

906
00:43:09,293 --> 00:43:12,013
Speaker 2: from it, so the people that created it should get

907
00:43:12,053 --> 00:43:12,533
Speaker 2: some money for it.

908
00:43:12,613 --> 00:43:12,813
Speaker 14: Right.

909
00:43:13,293 --> 00:43:15,933
Speaker 3: I can understand that element. But what I think is

910
00:43:15,973 --> 00:43:18,613
Speaker 3: a little bit on the nose looking into this is

911
00:43:18,613 --> 00:43:20,933
Speaker 3: that if you play a radio station in your business

912
00:43:21,013 --> 00:43:23,652
Speaker 3: or cafe, they can still sting you for a music

913
00:43:23,733 --> 00:43:26,933
Speaker 3: license for a radio station like this person says, Spotify,

914
00:43:27,493 --> 00:43:29,773
Speaker 3: you're already paying for the artists through Spotify, and we

915
00:43:29,773 --> 00:43:32,133
Speaker 3: can argue whether that's enough for the particular artists. It's

916
00:43:32,133 --> 00:43:34,813
Speaker 3: probably not, because it's bugger rule and Spotify screws them down.

917
00:43:34,853 --> 00:43:38,533
Speaker 3: But you are still paying. And then this outfit strolls

918
00:43:38,573 --> 00:43:41,533
Speaker 3: along with a little tape recorder a compliance check and say, hey,

919
00:43:41,573 --> 00:43:44,172
Speaker 3: you're playing music of any kind? Cough up, you owe

920
00:43:44,253 --> 00:43:44,773
Speaker 3: us some money.

921
00:43:45,093 --> 00:43:48,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean the argument there it's an interesting

922
00:43:48,373 --> 00:43:51,453
Speaker 2: one because you have you paid, You've paid your Spotify subscription,

923
00:43:51,893 --> 00:43:55,253
Speaker 2: but your Spotify subscription is quite clear that this is

924
00:43:55,253 --> 00:43:58,413
Speaker 2: for private use only. Yeah, and that's the way they

925
00:43:58,493 --> 00:44:01,573
Speaker 2: absolutely screwed their artists, because you know, Spotify barely pays

926
00:44:01,613 --> 00:44:05,053
Speaker 2: an artist, yes, yeah, barely pays them a couple of cents.

927
00:44:05,173 --> 00:44:07,373
Speaker 2: And part of that is that's sort of on the

928
00:44:07,773 --> 00:44:11,013
Speaker 2: idea that people are only listening in their headphones or

929
00:44:11,053 --> 00:44:12,253
Speaker 2: something completely privately.

930
00:44:12,413 --> 00:44:12,652
Speaker 6: Yeah.

931
00:44:12,733 --> 00:44:14,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh wait on hundred and eighty ten eighty. If

932
00:44:14,533 --> 00:44:17,212
Speaker 3: you own a cafe or a business, have you run

933
00:44:17,253 --> 00:44:20,333
Speaker 3: into this organization and how did you deal with it

934
00:44:20,373 --> 00:44:22,133
Speaker 3: if you did feel it was a bit unfair to

935
00:44:22,133 --> 00:44:24,732
Speaker 3: pay a music license that you're playing something from a CD.

936
00:44:24,813 --> 00:44:27,533
Speaker 3: And I understand that's the same rules as Spotify. Just

937
00:44:27,533 --> 00:44:31,333
Speaker 3: because you bought a CD meant that's for your ears only,

938
00:44:31,693 --> 00:44:33,733
Speaker 3: not for people that enter a commercial business.

939
00:44:33,973 --> 00:44:36,053
Speaker 2: But I mean it does annoy you, doesn't if you

940
00:44:36,053 --> 00:44:38,773
Speaker 2: think about it. You've paid for a CD, then you

941
00:44:38,853 --> 00:44:40,893
Speaker 2: kind of feel like it's yours to do with as

942
00:44:40,933 --> 00:44:41,493
Speaker 2: you please.

943
00:44:42,253 --> 00:44:43,013
Speaker 7: But it's a very.

944
00:44:42,933 --> 00:44:45,493
Speaker 2: Hard thing to get your head around that this thing

945
00:44:45,533 --> 00:44:48,173
Speaker 2: that has been replicated and digitally copied and put on

946
00:44:48,173 --> 00:44:52,253
Speaker 2: the CD or put on streaming continues to create revenue

947
00:44:53,253 --> 00:44:55,853
Speaker 2: when it goes into other people's ears. Yeah, it's a

948
00:44:55,933 --> 00:44:58,373
Speaker 2: very strange thing. But also it gets really really strange

949
00:44:58,413 --> 00:45:00,973
Speaker 2: in this situation where they're only playing there's three staff

950
00:45:00,973 --> 00:45:03,773
Speaker 2: and one person in the area. Because when you get

951
00:45:03,773 --> 00:45:05,652
Speaker 2: the license, it's about the.

952
00:45:07,253 --> 00:45:07,613
Speaker 7: Area.

953
00:45:08,333 --> 00:45:09,652
Speaker 2: So if you go to get a license, it's about

954
00:45:09,653 --> 00:45:11,533
Speaker 2: an area. It's not about how many people are there

955
00:45:11,533 --> 00:45:14,613
Speaker 2: listening to it. Yeah, right, which seems a little bit unfair.

956
00:45:14,733 --> 00:45:17,013
Speaker 2: It does, But I mean, I guess from the idea

957
00:45:17,133 --> 00:45:19,093
Speaker 2: is like you could have a cafe. You know, you've

958
00:45:19,133 --> 00:45:22,053
Speaker 2: got a really unsuccessful business, you're paying the same license

959
00:45:22,053 --> 00:45:24,172
Speaker 2: as someone that's packing in two hundred and fifty people

960
00:45:24,173 --> 00:45:25,212
Speaker 2: into their business every time.

961
00:45:25,293 --> 00:45:27,933
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And I suppose it's the same for on

962
00:45:27,973 --> 00:45:30,573
Speaker 3: a construction site, right that if you've got a trade

963
00:45:30,693 --> 00:45:34,213
Speaker 3: or the head hon show who's got his radio playing

964
00:45:34,333 --> 00:45:36,333
Speaker 3: news talk zb I hope, but that would still be

965
00:45:36,373 --> 00:45:36,893
Speaker 3: the same deal.

966
00:45:36,973 --> 00:45:37,133
Speaker 6: Right.

967
00:45:37,173 --> 00:45:40,333
Speaker 3: It's a workplace that if one music end z comes

968
00:45:40,333 --> 00:45:42,333
Speaker 3: along and does a compliance check. Hey you're on the

969
00:45:42,333 --> 00:45:45,333
Speaker 3: work site. You've got the radio blearing? You owe us

970
00:45:45,413 --> 00:45:45,772
Speaker 3: some coin?

971
00:45:46,013 --> 00:45:48,093
Speaker 2: Hey you too? One music don't even that you play

972
00:45:48,213 --> 00:45:50,853
Speaker 2: talkback radio without paying for their license? Cheers John?

973
00:45:50,973 --> 00:45:51,692
Speaker 3: So how does that work?

974
00:45:51,693 --> 00:45:56,413
Speaker 2: Why don't get anything? So this my talking here? What

975
00:45:56,653 --> 00:46:00,093
Speaker 2: is that my composition? Should I be getting royalties from this?

976
00:46:00,413 --> 00:46:03,533
Speaker 2: It's a lite of one music grabbing money for someone

977
00:46:03,573 --> 00:46:06,573
Speaker 2: listening to this in a business. Should I be getting

978
00:46:06,573 --> 00:46:08,933
Speaker 2: copyright on this? Absolute bollocks. It's coming out of my

979
00:46:08,933 --> 00:46:09,413
Speaker 2: mouth right.

980
00:46:09,333 --> 00:46:09,813
Speaker 6: Now, I hope.

981
00:46:09,853 --> 00:46:11,213
Speaker 3: So it's going to be a couple of cents, but

982
00:46:11,253 --> 00:46:13,613
Speaker 3: we'll take it. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is

983
00:46:13,613 --> 00:46:15,573
Speaker 3: the number to call if you run a business. Have

984
00:46:15,693 --> 00:46:18,133
Speaker 3: you come against these guys and if you've found a

985
00:46:18,133 --> 00:46:19,813
Speaker 3: way around it, love to hear from you. Ninety two

986
00:46:19,893 --> 00:46:22,453
Speaker 3: niney two is the text number back through shortly it's

987
00:46:22,493 --> 00:46:24,172
Speaker 3: thirteen past two.

988
00:46:25,133 --> 00:46:29,333
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons

989
00:46:29,533 --> 00:46:32,653
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

990
00:46:32,453 --> 00:46:36,533
Speaker 3: Be sixteen past two. So we're talking to be being

991
00:46:36,653 --> 00:46:39,853
Speaker 3: charged for playing music in your business is an organization

992
00:46:40,493 --> 00:46:42,652
Speaker 3: that governs It's called one Music New Zealand. They go

993
00:46:42,693 --> 00:46:45,172
Speaker 3: around doing compliance checks. As I understand it, you don't

994
00:46:45,173 --> 00:46:47,013
Speaker 3: know whether they're going to turn up. They'll just turn

995
00:46:47,093 --> 00:46:48,973
Speaker 3: up to your business and see if you're playing music,

996
00:46:49,013 --> 00:46:50,453
Speaker 3: and then you'll get an email or a letter saying

997
00:46:50,453 --> 00:46:51,333
Speaker 3: you ask money.

998
00:46:52,293 --> 00:46:55,293
Speaker 2: And the example you're talking about was the business that

999
00:46:55,373 --> 00:46:57,453
Speaker 2: had three people in one customer at a time. Yes,

1000
00:46:57,493 --> 00:46:59,813
Speaker 2: and they were still having to pay the one music

1001
00:46:59,933 --> 00:47:03,133
Speaker 2: licensing fee. And then they said, we're just going to

1002
00:47:03,133 --> 00:47:06,333
Speaker 2: play royalty free music. And they don't care. No, they

1003
00:47:06,333 --> 00:47:09,253
Speaker 2: don't care. If you know, say I'm a musician of

1004
00:47:09,333 --> 00:47:14,933
Speaker 2: some note you are wow used to be bum note.

1005
00:47:15,013 --> 00:47:18,533
Speaker 2: But anyway, so what if I just decided to open

1006
00:47:18,573 --> 00:47:20,333
Speaker 2: a business and only play music that I own the

1007
00:47:20,413 --> 00:47:21,573
Speaker 2: rights to, that's still.

1008
00:47:21,453 --> 00:47:22,533
Speaker 3: Charge you would they?

1009
00:47:22,813 --> 00:47:25,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that someone says, what if all your customers

1010
00:47:25,813 --> 00:47:30,013
Speaker 2: are deaf, They'll still charge you. So, Tyler, what industry

1011
00:47:30,053 --> 00:47:37,893
Speaker 2: are you in in this hyperthetical situation? Corporate dance broadcaster, exercise, health, hospitality, recreation, retail, transport,

1012
00:47:38,253 --> 00:47:39,653
Speaker 2: worship and funerals or media?

1013
00:47:40,013 --> 00:47:43,333
Speaker 3: You say, corporate dance broadcaster, corporate.

1014
00:47:43,053 --> 00:47:46,413
Speaker 2: D know that no, So they were three different things.

1015
00:47:46,893 --> 00:47:48,253
Speaker 2: A corporate dance broadcaster.

1016
00:47:48,653 --> 00:47:50,293
Speaker 3: It sounds pretty good. I don't know what that is.

1017
00:47:50,333 --> 00:47:53,133
Speaker 2: I put that on my departure card next time. Corporates

1018
00:47:53,813 --> 00:47:56,212
Speaker 2: is one dance is another broadcaster or another.

1019
00:47:56,253 --> 00:47:57,653
Speaker 3: Let's go let's go broadcaster.

1020
00:47:57,773 --> 00:48:00,533
Speaker 2: Now, let's go hospitality. Okay, right, so, because I'm just

1021
00:48:00,693 --> 00:48:03,053
Speaker 2: on the one music side, yep, and then goes select

1022
00:48:03,133 --> 00:48:03,653
Speaker 2: your business.

1023
00:48:03,693 --> 00:48:03,853
Speaker 6: Tight?

1024
00:48:04,053 --> 00:48:06,692
Speaker 2: Is it a cafe, casino, a food track, live music?

1025
00:48:06,813 --> 00:48:06,933
Speaker 10: Ven?

1026
00:48:06,973 --> 00:48:07,493
Speaker 2: You should?

1027
00:48:07,493 --> 00:48:09,893
Speaker 3: We's it's pick cafe, okay, yeah, yeah, a lot of

1028
00:48:09,933 --> 00:48:11,333
Speaker 3: cafe owners out there, okay?

1029
00:48:11,453 --> 00:48:14,933
Speaker 2: And what size and square meters of as the area

1030
00:48:15,013 --> 00:48:16,133
Speaker 2: your music is being played?

1031
00:48:16,293 --> 00:48:18,773
Speaker 3: Shall we go? One hundred square meters? One hundred square

1032
00:48:18,813 --> 00:48:21,732
Speaker 3: meters pretty reasonable for a caf. Right, Let's find your

1033
00:48:21,773 --> 00:48:26,093
Speaker 3: cover and you would be paying. So if you want

1034
00:48:26,133 --> 00:48:28,413
Speaker 3: to play background music, you're paying seventy seven dollars and

1035
00:48:28,413 --> 00:48:30,693
Speaker 3: seventy nine cents a month. Okay, if you want to

1036
00:48:30,733 --> 00:48:35,533
Speaker 3: play background music plus live, that's ninety three ninety three

1037
00:48:35,613 --> 00:48:39,173
Speaker 3: fifty nine. And if background music plus live plus DJ,

1038
00:48:39,333 --> 00:48:42,613
Speaker 3: that's ninety six point oh two. So they've kind of

1039
00:48:42,693 --> 00:48:45,652
Speaker 3: got you know, like a DJ arguably is not background music.

1040
00:48:45,693 --> 00:48:48,453
Speaker 3: It's music that's out loud and people are actually concentrating

1041
00:48:48,493 --> 00:48:51,213
Speaker 3: on it, right, so they change you as one music.

1042
00:48:51,253 --> 00:48:55,253
Speaker 2: The reason why we have such a horrific generic jazz

1043
00:48:55,293 --> 00:48:57,773
Speaker 2: playing and the restaurants across our country because people are

1044
00:48:57,773 --> 00:49:01,453
Speaker 2: trying to play royalty free music such that they only

1045
00:49:01,493 --> 00:49:03,973
Speaker 2: have to play one half of the one music, right.

1046
00:49:04,213 --> 00:49:06,213
Speaker 3: It must be because there's some pretty punishing music in

1047
00:49:06,213 --> 00:49:06,773
Speaker 3: those restaurants.

1048
00:49:06,853 --> 00:49:09,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you're not paying the the composition, because

1049
00:49:09,973 --> 00:49:13,093
Speaker 2: I know that there's companies out there that re record

1050
00:49:13,213 --> 00:49:17,333
Speaker 2: music for gyms and such, so they don't have to

1051
00:49:17,333 --> 00:49:19,293
Speaker 2: pay one side of the royalty because there's a recording

1052
00:49:19,413 --> 00:49:22,732
Speaker 2: royalty and there is the composition royalty. Right, so if

1053
00:49:22,773 --> 00:49:25,373
Speaker 2: you get someone to re record the composition, you're only

1054
00:49:25,373 --> 00:49:28,213
Speaker 2: playing the composition royalty, which is half the amount. Interesting,

1055
00:49:28,373 --> 00:49:31,093
Speaker 2: so across a massive organization, you can save a lot

1056
00:49:31,093 --> 00:49:35,213
Speaker 2: of money by only paying the composition royalty and not

1057
00:49:35,293 --> 00:49:36,813
Speaker 2: the recording Cleverty.

1058
00:49:37,013 --> 00:49:38,813
Speaker 3: I can't get my head around the live aspect though.

1059
00:49:38,853 --> 00:49:41,053
Speaker 3: So you pay a muso to come in and play

1060
00:49:41,053 --> 00:49:44,133
Speaker 3: some live music in your cafe or bar, and you've

1061
00:49:44,173 --> 00:49:47,333
Speaker 3: got to pay extra to one music in z because

1062
00:49:47,333 --> 00:49:49,732
Speaker 3: you're already paying the live artists to come in there.

1063
00:49:50,413 --> 00:49:52,693
Speaker 3: They get a salary. Yeah, then these guys come in

1064
00:49:52,933 --> 00:49:56,053
Speaker 3: even if it's their own music. Then who do those

1065
00:49:56,133 --> 00:49:57,293
Speaker 3: royalties go back to.

1066
00:49:57,453 --> 00:49:59,773
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is that the artist then fills an

1067
00:49:59,773 --> 00:50:03,613
Speaker 2: outperform that of the songs they played, and then they

1068
00:50:03,653 --> 00:50:06,573
Speaker 2: can get a payout from APRA for playing those songs.

1069
00:50:06,573 --> 00:50:07,973
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure how it works with the other

1070
00:50:07,973 --> 00:50:12,333
Speaker 2: part of royalty, which is the song of the recording royalty,

1071
00:50:12,373 --> 00:50:14,253
Speaker 2: because it's not a recording, it's has been played. Yeah,

1072
00:50:14,373 --> 00:50:17,413
Speaker 2: So every band that's well organized, which is nearly no bands,

1073
00:50:17,453 --> 00:50:20,013
Speaker 2: will go through every gig they play and a log

1074
00:50:20,093 --> 00:50:23,732
Speaker 2: with OPRA what songs they played at that gig?

1075
00:50:24,013 --> 00:50:24,252
Speaker 9: Right?

1076
00:50:24,373 --> 00:50:27,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean things get really complicated because Michael Jackson

1077
00:50:27,853 --> 00:50:31,613
Speaker 2: say brought Paul McCartney's songwriting right. So when Paul McCartney

1078
00:50:31,733 --> 00:50:34,533
Speaker 2: used to play Beatles songs. He used to have to

1079
00:50:34,573 --> 00:50:39,692
Speaker 2: play royalties to Michael Jackson to play his own song, right, Yeah,

1080
00:50:39,733 --> 00:50:40,933
Speaker 2: he must have plaid a lot of money for that.

1081
00:50:41,573 --> 00:50:44,853
Speaker 2: One music method. One music methods are questionable and they

1082
00:50:44,853 --> 00:50:46,652
Speaker 2: are bullies in the way they handle things. This is

1083
00:50:46,653 --> 00:50:48,573
Speaker 2: stick so they cannot clearly tell you how the funds

1084
00:50:48,573 --> 00:50:50,773
Speaker 2: are distributed to artists. We have to pay three hundred

1085
00:50:50,773 --> 00:50:53,813
Speaker 2: and eighty dollars a month, regardless of where we're playing

1086
00:50:53,973 --> 00:50:56,813
Speaker 2: the radio, Spotify, et cetera.

1087
00:50:57,133 --> 00:50:59,093
Speaker 3: That is a lot of money for business, three hundred

1088
00:50:59,093 --> 00:50:59,853
Speaker 3: and eighty bucks a month.

1089
00:50:59,893 --> 00:51:02,733
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to find out exactly how they distribute

1090
00:51:02,773 --> 00:51:05,933
Speaker 2: the money back to the artists, right, because do you

1091
00:51:06,013 --> 00:51:09,773
Speaker 2: just go across and go we are making the assumption

1092
00:51:09,853 --> 00:51:11,333
Speaker 2: that everyone's listening to Taylor Swift.

1093
00:51:12,013 --> 00:51:12,573
Speaker 3: I suppose you.

1094
00:51:12,733 --> 00:51:15,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you work out? Because you know, a

1095
00:51:15,693 --> 00:51:17,333
Speaker 2: cafe can't go through and tell you all.

1096
00:51:17,213 --> 00:51:19,253
Speaker 3: The songs that they've played, right, it's not realistic.

1097
00:51:19,333 --> 00:51:22,413
Speaker 2: So you're charging them and then you've got some method

1098
00:51:22,413 --> 00:51:24,253
Speaker 2: of deciding how that money gets handed out.

1099
00:51:24,133 --> 00:51:26,373
Speaker 3: And it can't be equally either. Oh on one hundred

1100
00:51:26,373 --> 00:51:29,213
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty. If you've had run ins with

1101
00:51:29,293 --> 00:51:31,453
Speaker 3: this particular organization, love to hear from you.

1102
00:51:31,573 --> 00:51:33,573
Speaker 2: This is a really interesting text from Glen here. How

1103
00:51:33,573 --> 00:51:36,573
Speaker 2: about if you make all your songs on chat GPT,

1104
00:51:37,213 --> 00:51:38,933
Speaker 2: so they're all AI generated songs.

1105
00:51:38,933 --> 00:51:40,333
Speaker 3: They couldn't do much about that, surely.

1106
00:51:40,853 --> 00:51:43,333
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, but I think one music must

1107
00:51:43,373 --> 00:51:46,853
Speaker 2: have the rights to just not take any excuses if

1108
00:51:46,893 --> 00:51:50,213
Speaker 2: you've got some noise being played over speakers in an area.

1109
00:51:50,293 --> 00:51:52,133
Speaker 2: What if you say I'm going to when operate in

1110
00:51:52,133 --> 00:51:55,053
Speaker 2: complete silence? If you're a bar or a restaurant and

1111
00:51:55,213 --> 00:51:57,213
Speaker 2: when they come in you say we operate in complete silence,

1112
00:51:57,253 --> 00:52:00,013
Speaker 2: do they do they do do sting operations?

1113
00:52:00,093 --> 00:52:02,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, they must have. Yeah, there's compliance checks where they

1114
00:52:02,253 --> 00:52:04,613
Speaker 3: come in and I don't know hit record. But you're right,

1115
00:52:04,653 --> 00:52:07,853
Speaker 3: if it is complete silence and they don't hear any music,

1116
00:52:07,893 --> 00:52:10,133
Speaker 3: whatsoe just chatter? They can't do anything.

1117
00:52:10,133 --> 00:52:13,333
Speaker 2: Then would you go to a restaurant that said we

1118
00:52:13,813 --> 00:52:18,333
Speaker 2: are a silent restaurant and we've taken the that amount

1119
00:52:18,333 --> 00:52:20,533
Speaker 2: of money that we would have paid in royalties off

1120
00:52:20,933 --> 00:52:22,093
Speaker 2: the food and drink prices?

1121
00:52:22,173 --> 00:52:24,613
Speaker 3: Actually probably would. Yeah, it's a great idea. Oh, eight

1122
00:52:24,733 --> 00:52:26,733
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. If

1123
00:52:26,773 --> 00:52:30,293
Speaker 3: you run a business camfe hospitality, do you think that

1124
00:52:30,333 --> 00:52:33,453
Speaker 3: this one Music d Z operation should be a little

1125
00:52:33,453 --> 00:52:34,292
Speaker 3: bit easier for you?

1126
00:52:34,333 --> 00:52:37,093
Speaker 2: One Music have been gouging gym's cafes, charter boats, et

1127
00:52:37,133 --> 00:52:40,373
Speaker 2: cetera for years. Our gym's pay seven k per year?

1128
00:52:40,573 --> 00:52:43,373
Speaker 3: Holy seven K year. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1129
00:52:43,413 --> 00:52:48,533
Speaker 3: is that number to call? It is twenty two past two.

1130
00:52:49,733 --> 00:52:53,413
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons. Call Oh, eight hundred eighty

1131
00:52:53,493 --> 00:52:55,373
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

1132
00:52:55,533 --> 00:52:58,652
Speaker 3: Afternoon to you. It is twenty four past two and

1133
00:52:58,653 --> 00:53:01,333
Speaker 3: we're talking about these music licenses. If you run a

1134
00:53:01,533 --> 00:53:05,652
Speaker 3: business or a commercial enterprise that plays music, any sort

1135
00:53:05,733 --> 00:53:09,413
Speaker 3: of music, the organization one Music ends Z, if they

1136
00:53:09,453 --> 00:53:10,973
Speaker 3: come and do a compliance check, will send you a

1137
00:53:11,013 --> 00:53:13,013
Speaker 3: letter saying that you od a soon an amount of

1138
00:53:13,053 --> 00:53:15,732
Speaker 3: money per month. If you've run into these guys, or

1139
00:53:15,933 --> 00:53:17,853
Speaker 3: if you've found a way around this, love to hear

1140
00:53:17,853 --> 00:53:19,693
Speaker 3: from you. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Is

1141
00:53:19,733 --> 00:53:21,893
Speaker 3: this a fair system? Or are there some changes that

1142
00:53:21,933 --> 00:53:25,213
Speaker 3: are needed? Nine two ninety two is the text number?

1143
00:53:25,533 --> 00:53:29,933
Speaker 3: Is well? A couple of texts coming through here? Get ay, guys.

1144
00:53:29,933 --> 00:53:32,733
Speaker 3: I wonder how many gang pads One Music have approached

1145
00:53:32,733 --> 00:53:35,613
Speaker 3: about their music. There would be gutsy if they did.

1146
00:53:35,653 --> 00:53:36,453
Speaker 3: I'm sure they might have.

1147
00:53:36,813 --> 00:53:39,173
Speaker 2: Well, if you've got a bar operating in there, yeah,

1148
00:53:39,253 --> 00:53:42,493
Speaker 2: you should be kicking down the you know, the corrugated

1149
00:53:42,493 --> 00:53:45,493
Speaker 2: fence One Music out the front of the road Night's

1150
00:53:46,013 --> 00:53:47,373
Speaker 2: Gang headquarters.

1151
00:53:46,853 --> 00:53:49,133
Speaker 3: Getting your measuring tape out how many square meters.

1152
00:53:48,893 --> 00:53:51,053
Speaker 2: And working out how much they pay for their Spotify account.

1153
00:53:51,933 --> 00:53:53,853
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten Eightyes, a number to call.

1154
00:53:53,813 --> 00:53:54,772
Speaker 2: Dave, Welcome to the show.

1155
00:53:55,653 --> 00:53:57,093
Speaker 6: Hi guys, help a going good?

1156
00:53:57,093 --> 00:53:59,133
Speaker 2: Thanks? So you deal with One Music.

1157
00:54:00,213 --> 00:54:03,893
Speaker 4: I have had experience with them and have have a

1158
00:54:04,013 --> 00:54:06,853
Speaker 4: hospitality business. I'll make you call it from christ Juice,

1159
00:54:06,853 --> 00:54:09,373
Speaker 4: but that's located in another to the South Island at

1160
00:54:09,413 --> 00:54:12,373
Speaker 4: the moment. But yeah, we have. And there's the thing

1161
00:54:12,413 --> 00:54:15,173
Speaker 4: that's frustrating is that there's no absolute setting who the

1162
00:54:15,173 --> 00:54:15,773
Speaker 4: money goes to.

1163
00:54:16,293 --> 00:54:16,453
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1164
00:54:16,453 --> 00:54:19,173
Speaker 2: I've been trying to find that out. I've been researching

1165
00:54:19,213 --> 00:54:20,773
Speaker 2: for the last couple of hours, trying to find it

1166
00:54:20,893 --> 00:54:23,973
Speaker 2: exactly how they do the equation to divvy the money up.

1167
00:54:24,653 --> 00:54:27,933
Speaker 4: Yeah, And they're also very they they won't tell you

1168
00:54:27,933 --> 00:54:30,013
Speaker 4: exact how much you've got to pay untill they've basically

1169
00:54:30,053 --> 00:54:32,133
Speaker 4: got you, got you fully exposed.

1170
00:54:33,573 --> 00:54:36,172
Speaker 2: So did you approach them or did they approach you?

1171
00:54:36,293 --> 00:54:38,173
Speaker 2: The first time you had a dealing with they seed.

1172
00:54:38,093 --> 00:54:39,413
Speaker 4: Us a leader, they see us a letter.

1173
00:54:40,533 --> 00:54:41,373
Speaker 9: It felt like it was.

1174
00:54:41,333 --> 00:54:46,413
Speaker 4: Going to never go away. So we we've found what

1175
00:54:46,413 --> 00:54:49,453
Speaker 4: we believe is a workaround, which is which is brought

1176
00:54:49,493 --> 00:54:53,213
Speaker 4: to free music right, and they seem to have accepted

1177
00:54:53,213 --> 00:54:55,973
Speaker 4: that for now. Now. Subsequent to that, we've put notices

1178
00:54:56,053 --> 00:54:59,413
Speaker 4: up in our venue saying that nobody has the right

1179
00:54:59,493 --> 00:55:02,373
Speaker 4: to take recordings in the breach of intellectual property and

1180
00:55:02,453 --> 00:55:05,453
Speaker 4: personal property rights. And we think that if they came

1181
00:55:05,493 --> 00:55:09,013
Speaker 4: and did that in order to gain their yeah, it

1182
00:55:09,053 --> 00:55:11,772
Speaker 4: wouldn't that would be a breach to us too.

1183
00:55:12,853 --> 00:55:15,013
Speaker 2: So once you said that you were going to play

1184
00:55:15,093 --> 00:55:18,533
Speaker 2: nothing but royalty free music, that was it for it.

1185
00:55:18,573 --> 00:55:20,373
Speaker 2: They were like, you don't have to pay anything.

1186
00:55:21,213 --> 00:55:25,533
Speaker 9: It seems the case for now, Ye does that?

1187
00:55:25,573 --> 00:55:26,893
Speaker 2: And what what music do you play?

1188
00:55:26,933 --> 00:55:27,093
Speaker 5: Then?

1189
00:55:27,373 --> 00:55:30,093
Speaker 2: Do you you just you just sauce a bunch of

1190
00:55:30,533 --> 00:55:31,293
Speaker 2: sort of gineering.

1191
00:55:31,413 --> 00:55:32,813
Speaker 6: I'd prefer that.

1192
00:55:33,373 --> 00:55:36,973
Speaker 4: I think I think these guys are really fairly aggressive,

1193
00:55:37,213 --> 00:55:40,973
Speaker 4: and there are certainly I think over over the top

1194
00:55:41,013 --> 00:55:43,093
Speaker 4: of the way they go about it, and they won't

1195
00:55:43,093 --> 00:55:45,692
Speaker 4: make any upfront. You know, there's no menu, you can't say,

1196
00:55:45,853 --> 00:55:47,533
Speaker 4: it takes them out through a square meet. They won't

1197
00:55:47,533 --> 00:55:49,333
Speaker 4: tell you when of the fees, of the charges until

1198
00:55:49,333 --> 00:55:51,053
Speaker 4: they've basically got you fully exposed.

1199
00:55:51,773 --> 00:55:51,933
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1200
00:55:51,933 --> 00:55:53,692
Speaker 2: Although I've just been to the site and it has

1201
00:55:53,853 --> 00:55:58,053
Speaker 2: this this uh you know, like you can at least

1202
00:55:58,093 --> 00:56:00,133
Speaker 2: drop down menu where you say what kind of business

1203
00:56:00,173 --> 00:56:03,773
Speaker 2: you are and what kind of floor spaces you have

1204
00:56:04,013 --> 00:56:05,253
Speaker 2: it and it gives you a quote here.

1205
00:56:06,533 --> 00:56:07,653
Speaker 4: Okay, I was one aware of that.

1206
00:56:07,893 --> 00:56:13,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, So do you think Yeah, I mean, do you think, Okay,

1207
00:56:13,653 --> 00:56:17,573
Speaker 2: so there are artists out there right and they've created

1208
00:56:17,613 --> 00:56:20,293
Speaker 2: a song and they've gone to the effort of recording it.

1209
00:56:21,013 --> 00:56:24,493
Speaker 2: Do you think that they're deserve to get some money

1210
00:56:24,773 --> 00:56:27,613
Speaker 2: if you're getting the benefit in your business of playing

1211
00:56:27,693 --> 00:56:31,293
Speaker 2: that music, and that it is somehow enhancing the atmosphere

1212
00:56:31,333 --> 00:56:32,493
Speaker 2: of your your workplace.

1213
00:56:33,733 --> 00:56:35,493
Speaker 4: I think in a very small way that I think

1214
00:56:35,573 --> 00:56:38,693
Speaker 4: unfortunately it's had another cost and post on small business,

1215
00:56:38,733 --> 00:56:42,333
Speaker 4: which is which is huge and I think it's disproportionate

1216
00:56:42,413 --> 00:56:45,413
Speaker 4: to the value that we see in it. Yeah, I

1217
00:56:45,533 --> 00:56:47,733
Speaker 4: think most most offers were happy to be happy to

1218
00:56:47,813 --> 00:56:51,933
Speaker 4: pay a small amount, and of course also that the

1219
00:56:51,973 --> 00:56:54,453
Speaker 4: money is actually going back to the artist. There's actually

1220
00:56:54,453 --> 00:56:56,253
Speaker 4: some evidence of that, because there was no evidence to that.

1221
00:56:56,973 --> 00:56:57,293
Speaker 6: M hm.

1222
00:56:57,973 --> 00:56:59,773
Speaker 3: So do you think it would be I mean, is

1223
00:56:59,813 --> 00:57:02,493
Speaker 3: it effectively you feel it's double dipping? Dave that if

1224
00:57:02,533 --> 00:57:05,733
Speaker 3: you do have a Spotify subscription and I know the

1225
00:57:05,853 --> 00:57:07,853
Speaker 3: terms in conditions say it's only you listening to it.

1226
00:57:07,933 --> 00:57:10,053
Speaker 3: But if there was that sort of system that you

1227
00:57:10,173 --> 00:57:13,933
Speaker 3: sign up and I've got all their digital music that

1228
00:57:14,013 --> 00:57:16,173
Speaker 3: they have rights to opera and one music in z

1229
00:57:16,493 --> 00:57:18,013
Speaker 3: that would be a fairer system to do it.

1230
00:57:19,733 --> 00:57:21,653
Speaker 4: Well, again, it comes down to them having a monopoly

1231
00:57:21,773 --> 00:57:23,893
Speaker 4: or a dwopoly situation too, so they can charge us

1232
00:57:23,893 --> 00:57:28,213
Speaker 4: whatever they want because no, there's no control on that side.

1233
00:57:28,253 --> 00:57:30,973
Speaker 4: It's kind of like you know, if you if you

1234
00:57:31,133 --> 00:57:33,133
Speaker 4: if you expose yourself to them and put your hands

1235
00:57:33,173 --> 00:57:35,893
Speaker 4: up and you say right, bill us, they can literally

1236
00:57:35,973 --> 00:57:39,933
Speaker 4: bill you what they want. Mm hmmm, because that part

1237
00:57:40,053 --> 00:57:42,373
Speaker 4: creates distrust, you know, And then you say, well, how

1238
00:57:42,573 --> 00:57:45,453
Speaker 4: where's given us money is? Then you've guide presumably getting

1239
00:57:45,453 --> 00:57:48,093
Speaker 4: pretty well paid as executives to do all this work.

1240
00:57:49,133 --> 00:57:51,533
Speaker 4: How much is actually going through to the to the

1241
00:57:51,693 --> 00:57:55,733
Speaker 4: artists really, that's probably the biggest frustration from most people.

1242
00:57:55,893 --> 00:57:58,733
Speaker 2: There's an interesting thing as well. So I've been in

1243
00:57:58,773 --> 00:58:02,213
Speaker 2: a band and we've got music that is, you know,

1244
00:58:02,853 --> 00:58:06,733
Speaker 2: licensed through you know, we've got a publishing company back

1245
00:58:06,813 --> 00:58:09,333
Speaker 2: in the day. Is ever going to play our rubbish

1246
00:58:09,373 --> 00:58:11,373
Speaker 2: music in a cafe? So how do they do that?

1247
00:58:11,533 --> 00:58:13,693
Speaker 2: You know, if you say you're a death metal band,

1248
00:58:14,013 --> 00:58:16,973
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, you know, if you're not getting a

1249
00:58:17,013 --> 00:58:18,853
Speaker 2: list of the music they play, they can't spread it

1250
00:58:18,933 --> 00:58:23,293
Speaker 2: around everyone. If I was a light jazz artist, then

1251
00:58:23,333 --> 00:58:25,853
Speaker 2: there's a good chance I might get played in a restaurant,

1252
00:58:26,173 --> 00:58:27,733
Speaker 2: So they can't be digging it up with anyone. It

1253
00:58:27,773 --> 00:58:30,533
Speaker 2: would be ridiculous if I was getting money and judging

1254
00:58:30,573 --> 00:58:32,373
Speaker 2: by my royalties, I'm not, yeah, but if I was

1255
00:58:32,413 --> 00:58:35,733
Speaker 2: getting money from my band Days of Voodoo, that would

1256
00:58:36,013 --> 00:58:38,973
Speaker 2: never be plaid in anyone's reputable establishment. If you see

1257
00:58:38,973 --> 00:58:39,733
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Dave.

1258
00:58:41,373 --> 00:58:43,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of get it. Well, I mean, yeah,

1259
00:58:44,253 --> 00:58:46,293
Speaker 4: it's just the whole the whole system seems to be

1260
00:58:48,093 --> 00:58:51,133
Speaker 4: just as much as as they're almost accusing us of

1261
00:58:51,293 --> 00:58:54,093
Speaker 4: being nonchalant and how we go about playing the music.

1262
00:58:54,613 --> 00:58:59,133
Speaker 4: They don't seem to have any verification methods that you

1263
00:58:59,213 --> 00:59:01,893
Speaker 4: know that it's being audited and that's approbably been distributed,

1264
00:59:02,013 --> 00:59:04,053
Speaker 4: And how do we not know they take ninety five

1265
00:59:04,093 --> 00:59:04,973
Speaker 4: percent of what they get off.

1266
00:59:05,133 --> 00:59:05,893
Speaker 6: How do we not know that?

1267
00:59:06,493 --> 00:59:08,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it's a good point. D Thank you very

1268
00:59:08,893 --> 00:59:09,653
Speaker 3: much for your phone call.

1269
00:59:09,813 --> 00:59:12,053
Speaker 2: Hi, Matt and Tyler. Bit of an observation from my

1270
00:59:12,253 --> 00:59:14,693
Speaker 2: dealings with one Music in Jed. Whenever I leased a

1271
00:59:14,853 --> 00:59:17,293
Speaker 2: business premises, I always made sure I was paying for

1272
00:59:17,413 --> 00:59:20,493
Speaker 2: a one music license. May have accidentally understated the square

1273
00:59:20,573 --> 00:59:22,773
Speaker 2: metage of the site when I signed up. What I

1274
00:59:22,893 --> 00:59:25,573
Speaker 2: noticed was the compliance officer was only ever seemed to

1275
00:59:25,653 --> 00:59:29,053
Speaker 2: be visit the businesses that weren't paying at all because

1276
00:59:29,133 --> 00:59:35,453
Speaker 2: I was on their system, therefore compliant. Therefore, even if

1277
00:59:35,493 --> 00:59:38,533
Speaker 2: the size was miscalculated, I was never altered it and

1278
00:59:38,573 --> 00:59:42,013
Speaker 2: happily listened to music all day without issue. Funny how

1279
00:59:42,093 --> 00:59:46,373
Speaker 2: that works, Stuprom Wellington, work hard today, Love you boys.

1280
00:59:46,653 --> 00:59:49,013
Speaker 2: Thank you for the text here. So you go like

1281
00:59:49,053 --> 00:59:51,813
Speaker 2: I've just opened a cafe. It's one square meter.

1282
00:59:52,413 --> 00:59:54,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not going to leave you alone. Oh one

1283
00:59:54,973 --> 00:59:57,213
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to cool headlines

1284
00:59:57,253 --> 01:00:00,333
Speaker 3: With railing coming up, We will be back very surely.

1285
01:00:01,533 --> 01:00:05,493
Speaker 15: You've talk said headlines with blue bubble taxis, it's no

1286
01:00:05,693 --> 01:00:09,573
Speaker 15: trouble with a blue bubble. Loose matureurial has been removed

1287
01:00:09,573 --> 01:00:13,773
Speaker 15: from above the Mount Mongonery landslide, allowing efforts to recover

1288
01:00:13,933 --> 01:00:17,293
Speaker 15: six people to resume. Work on the site was paused

1289
01:00:17,293 --> 01:00:20,813
Speaker 15: for almost twenty four hours after concerns about in's stability.

1290
01:00:21,413 --> 01:00:23,853
Speaker 15: Work safes as when the time is right, it will

1291
01:00:23,893 --> 01:00:26,373
Speaker 15: look into organizations with a duty of care at the

1292
01:00:26,453 --> 01:00:29,653
Speaker 15: holiday park, while the councils also launched a review of

1293
01:00:29,733 --> 01:00:34,133
Speaker 15: events before the slip. The party Maries launched a policy

1294
01:00:34,213 --> 01:00:38,253
Speaker 15: to abolish prisons by twenty forty, the parties pledging to

1295
01:00:38,333 --> 01:00:42,373
Speaker 15: replace prisons with community led solutions and to close youth

1296
01:00:42,493 --> 01:00:48,213
Speaker 15: residents and military style boot camps. Arise in counterfeit banknotes

1297
01:00:48,453 --> 01:00:50,853
Speaker 15: with warnings to be vigilant handling cash.

1298
01:00:51,253 --> 01:00:52,733
Speaker 3: Police say people should.

1299
01:00:52,493 --> 01:00:55,173
Speaker 15: Make sure they know how to spot a fake banknote

1300
01:00:55,413 --> 01:01:00,013
Speaker 15: to avoid getting duped. A truck carrying portloos has crashed

1301
01:01:00,053 --> 01:01:03,013
Speaker 15: and rolled on State Highway one north of Temaru near

1302
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Speaker 15: Arundel Bellfield Road just before two No injuries are reported

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Speaker 15: by the road is down to one lane Republicans struggle

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Speaker 15: to respond to Minneapolis shooting, reflecting political peril. See more

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01:01:17,293 --> 01:01:19,813
Speaker 15: at Enzi here all premium. Now back to matt Ethan

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Speaker 15: Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylane. We're talking about being charged

1308
01:01:23,573 --> 01:01:25,813
Speaker 3: for music that you play in your businesses. It's governed

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01:01:26,093 --> 01:01:29,773
Speaker 3: by an organization called One Music en Z. So I

1310
01:01:29,893 --> 01:01:31,293
Speaker 3: love to hear from you if you've had dealings with

1311
01:01:31,373 --> 01:01:32,253
Speaker 3: One Music in Z's.

1312
01:01:32,333 --> 01:01:35,333
Speaker 2: I just want to find out exactly how they decide

1313
01:01:35,413 --> 01:01:38,973
Speaker 2: which particular artists get music get to get royalties.

1314
01:01:39,093 --> 01:01:39,213
Speaker 6: Right.

1315
01:01:39,733 --> 01:01:43,493
Speaker 2: So, if you're an Italian restaurant, right, you're likely to

1316
01:01:43,573 --> 01:01:49,573
Speaker 2: play some kind of Italian music. Potentially, if you're a restaurant,

1317
01:01:49,573 --> 01:01:51,613
Speaker 2: you're probably playing some kind of soft jazz, right, Yeah,

1318
01:01:51,933 --> 01:01:55,413
Speaker 2: So do they wake their payments out towards soft jazz?

1319
01:01:55,493 --> 01:01:58,373
Speaker 2: Because if you run that restaurant, you're not listing what

1320
01:01:58,573 --> 01:02:01,093
Speaker 2: music you play. No, every day, someone's not taking a

1321
01:02:01,133 --> 01:02:04,133
Speaker 2: list like a radio station. A music radio station supplies

1322
01:02:04,173 --> 01:02:07,093
Speaker 2: lifts of all the songs they play, right, well, the

1323
01:02:07,173 --> 01:02:09,973
Speaker 2: list of their playlist, you know, they the songs they

1324
01:02:10,013 --> 01:02:11,413
Speaker 2: play right, and then you can take that off.

1325
01:02:11,493 --> 01:02:11,653
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1326
01:02:11,693 --> 01:02:14,293
Speaker 2: Imagine if you're a live band, then you can hand

1327
01:02:14,373 --> 01:02:17,933
Speaker 2: in a list of your songs to EPRA. But if

1328
01:02:18,013 --> 01:02:21,893
Speaker 2: you're taking money from a restaurant and they're playing mainly

1329
01:02:22,173 --> 01:02:24,853
Speaker 2: some kind of soft jazz, you don't know which particular.

1330
01:02:24,853 --> 01:02:27,013
Speaker 2: I mean, there's millions and millions and millions and millions

1331
01:02:27,053 --> 01:02:28,973
Speaker 2: and millions and millions of those artists out there. So

1332
01:02:29,533 --> 01:02:33,773
Speaker 2: how does APRA decide who gets the money?

1333
01:02:33,933 --> 01:02:34,733
Speaker 3: It's a huge question.

1334
01:02:34,893 --> 01:02:36,733
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to find that out exactly how they

1335
01:02:36,813 --> 01:02:39,053
Speaker 2: divvy it up? Yeah, if you know, do they just

1336
01:02:39,133 --> 01:02:41,133
Speaker 2: give there's a whole lot of soft jazz. They go

1337
01:02:41,293 --> 01:02:44,413
Speaker 2: give it to Dave Dobbin because you know, Slice of

1338
01:02:44,413 --> 01:02:45,413
Speaker 2: Heavens a great song.

1339
01:02:45,933 --> 01:02:47,253
Speaker 3: Six sixty would get a good chunk.

1340
01:02:47,573 --> 01:02:48,173
Speaker 2: Is that how it works?

1341
01:02:48,293 --> 01:02:48,493
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1342
01:02:48,533 --> 01:02:50,293
Speaker 3: Well, oh, e one hundred and eighty, ten eighty. If

1343
01:02:50,333 --> 01:02:52,013
Speaker 3: you know how it works. Nine two nine two is

1344
01:02:52,053 --> 01:02:56,173
Speaker 3: a text get a john mate. How are you very good?

1345
01:02:56,253 --> 01:02:58,493
Speaker 3: Are you in a battle over this at the moment?

1346
01:02:59,573 --> 01:03:01,213
Speaker 6: Yes, i am. I've had a bit of a run

1347
01:03:01,333 --> 01:03:04,133
Speaker 6: and running long, running better with these guys for about

1348
01:03:04,253 --> 01:03:09,173
Speaker 6: thirteen years. We've got a little to tell the outlet

1349
01:03:09,253 --> 01:03:13,253
Speaker 6: out in the country, won't tell you where, And thirteen

1350
01:03:13,373 --> 01:03:16,893
Speaker 6: years ago we took this place over and a year

1351
01:03:16,973 --> 01:03:19,973
Speaker 6: into it, we've got a bill for one hundred and

1352
01:03:20,013 --> 01:03:24,613
Speaker 6: eighty dollars, So we're one hundred square meters. We used

1353
01:03:24,613 --> 01:03:27,533
Speaker 6: to do live the ends, but we don't anymore. So

1354
01:03:27,613 --> 01:03:32,053
Speaker 6: one hundred and eighty dollars thirteen twelve years ago. So

1355
01:03:32,493 --> 01:03:35,173
Speaker 6: a couple of years we were going all right, so okay,

1356
01:03:35,253 --> 01:03:38,533
Speaker 6: fair and I've got family members and musicians and that's

1357
01:03:38,613 --> 01:03:43,253
Speaker 6: fair enough. Yeah, they get their royalties or however they

1358
01:03:43,373 --> 01:03:46,813
Speaker 6: get it. And then you know, you go through hard

1359
01:03:46,893 --> 01:03:49,173
Speaker 6: times and there's a thousand dollar bill come in the

1360
01:03:49,293 --> 01:03:53,053
Speaker 6: gate and so not Pan, not Pan. I've spoken to

1361
01:03:53,133 --> 01:03:55,653
Speaker 6: a lot of other colleagues in the game. They said,

1362
01:03:55,813 --> 01:03:59,653
Speaker 6: just just ignore it, and then you get nasty summons,

1363
01:03:59,773 --> 01:04:01,053
Speaker 6: letters will threaten.

1364
01:04:00,933 --> 01:04:01,333
Speaker 7: Us and that.

1365
01:04:01,693 --> 01:04:06,733
Speaker 6: So you get on the phone to them. And one

1366
01:04:06,773 --> 01:04:10,693
Speaker 6: of my questions to whoever I was talking to was

1367
01:04:12,053 --> 01:04:15,173
Speaker 6: how much's New World pay? How much do these supermarkets

1368
01:04:15,293 --> 01:04:19,293
Speaker 6: pay for their background music a year? The thousands and

1369
01:04:19,573 --> 01:04:26,093
Speaker 6: thousands of square meters around the country playing readily available

1370
01:04:26,333 --> 01:04:30,533
Speaker 6: royalty music. Well, no, we can't tell you that. So

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01:04:32,213 --> 01:04:34,813
Speaker 6: my question to them is, well, how do you distribute it?

1372
01:04:34,933 --> 01:04:37,453
Speaker 6: Does my sister get money for her songs? Does my

1373
01:04:37,613 --> 01:04:41,093
Speaker 6: son get money for his songs? They couldn't answer me.

1374
01:04:41,293 --> 01:04:44,333
Speaker 6: They couldn't answer me, and it seems to be mate.

1375
01:04:44,413 --> 01:04:48,893
Speaker 6: They only want to annoy you when you come up

1376
01:04:48,933 --> 01:04:51,453
Speaker 6: on the list. Because I'm sort of due at the

1377
01:04:51,573 --> 01:04:55,413
Speaker 6: end of most years. They annoy me. Missed one last year,

1378
01:04:55,453 --> 01:04:58,933
Speaker 6: so I'm probably tempting fate now and I'll probably get

1379
01:04:58,973 --> 01:05:01,733
Speaker 6: one next week. It a bill next week, but I

1380
01:05:01,773 --> 01:05:04,093
Speaker 6: haven't paid last as one, and I don't really think

1381
01:05:04,133 --> 01:05:12,013
Speaker 6: I should pay the next one. We play Spotify. They

1382
01:05:12,133 --> 01:05:13,813
Speaker 6: told me you can't do that, I said to you,

1383
01:05:13,933 --> 01:05:17,133
Speaker 6: but I've paid for that, so I listened to it.

1384
01:05:17,373 --> 01:05:20,653
Speaker 6: I've got a little radio behind the bar with a

1385
01:05:20,693 --> 01:05:23,533
Speaker 6: couple of speakers, and I listened to it. We had

1386
01:05:23,533 --> 01:05:28,893
Speaker 6: a jukebox. We scrapped it a year ago. I don't

1387
01:05:28,933 --> 01:05:31,413
Speaker 6: know what the deal was with the jukebox, whether the

1388
01:05:31,493 --> 01:05:33,853
Speaker 6: guy that I was leasing it off or renting it off,

1389
01:05:33,933 --> 01:05:36,573
Speaker 6: whether he paid royal tease I forgot. I didn't ask him.

1390
01:05:36,613 --> 01:05:42,453
Speaker 2: Actually, right to the jukes box is not considered as

1391
01:05:42,533 --> 01:05:46,653
Speaker 2: part by one Music as being part of your license.

1392
01:05:47,773 --> 01:05:49,573
Speaker 6: Oh that and needn't know I should get a back.

1393
01:05:50,813 --> 01:05:52,173
Speaker 2: I had a question mark on the indidate.

1394
01:05:55,253 --> 01:05:56,853
Speaker 3: But they never they never asked you for money for

1395
01:05:56,893 --> 01:05:57,653
Speaker 3: the Duke jukebox.

1396
01:05:58,413 --> 01:06:01,773
Speaker 6: No, maybe I'm see, I don't know what your day

1397
01:06:01,933 --> 01:06:05,733
Speaker 6: was going on about once you because they after the

1398
01:06:05,813 --> 01:06:07,973
Speaker 6: first year and they sent me a form whether they

1399
01:06:08,053 --> 01:06:10,333
Speaker 6: had a someone sneak around and listen to what we

1400
01:06:10,453 --> 01:06:12,893
Speaker 6: were doing. But they send you a form where you

1401
01:06:13,013 --> 01:06:17,413
Speaker 6: fill out your square matri. It's number of live bands

1402
01:06:17,453 --> 01:06:19,453
Speaker 6: a year. We used to do half a dozen, now

1403
01:06:19,533 --> 01:06:22,733
Speaker 6: we doing none. And I think I've updated that from

1404
01:06:22,773 --> 01:06:26,813
Speaker 6: the last bit of correspondent tohead of them, which would

1405
01:06:26,813 --> 01:06:30,533
Speaker 6: have been a couple of years ago. So you know

1406
01:06:31,333 --> 01:06:33,013
Speaker 6: what does new will pay? What is BT?

1407
01:06:33,333 --> 01:06:36,813
Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting because I've just been to the portal

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01:06:36,853 --> 01:06:40,533
Speaker 2: at one one music in z dot com John, and

1409
01:06:40,933 --> 01:06:43,093
Speaker 2: I've put in it let's find your music cover, and

1410
01:06:43,133 --> 01:06:49,493
Speaker 2: I've put in retail supermarket square metas. I'll put two

1411
01:06:49,533 --> 01:06:51,173
Speaker 2: thousand square meters. Do you think that's how big a

1412
01:06:51,213 --> 01:06:53,853
Speaker 2: supermarket w how many square meters would a supermarket bee?

1413
01:06:54,013 --> 01:06:56,413
Speaker 3: That'd be about right, I think, yeah, yeah, And.

1414
01:06:56,693 --> 01:07:00,533
Speaker 2: It seys I'll find my cover and it seys two

1415
01:07:00,653 --> 01:07:03,533
Speaker 2: hundred and forty three dollars and twenty seven cents per month.

1416
01:07:05,053 --> 01:07:09,853
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure if this isn't. These are just this,

1417
01:07:10,053 --> 01:07:11,453
Speaker 2: this is just a quote. I'm not sure if this

1418
01:07:11,573 --> 01:07:14,333
Speaker 2: actually stacks up with the exact amount they charge. But

1419
01:07:14,973 --> 01:07:17,493
Speaker 2: this looks to me like you can buy that license

1420
01:07:17,533 --> 01:07:21,693
Speaker 2: and advance from from the One Music and zed thing.

1421
01:07:21,813 --> 01:07:25,973
Speaker 2: So you know that that information is out there, John,

1422
01:07:26,093 --> 01:07:29,693
Speaker 2: But all the best for the future, John, Thank you

1423
01:07:29,893 --> 01:07:31,293
Speaker 2: so much for your call.

1424
01:07:31,453 --> 01:07:34,573
Speaker 3: I've just had a look at the One Music website

1425
01:07:34,613 --> 01:07:37,333
Speaker 3: on their FAQs. So here's what they say about how

1426
01:07:37,333 --> 01:07:38,133
Speaker 3: it's distributed.

1427
01:07:39,253 --> 01:07:39,933
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.

1428
01:07:40,133 --> 01:07:43,133
Speaker 3: They say it would be unrealistic to expect every business

1429
01:07:43,173 --> 01:07:46,293
Speaker 3: and organization to provide us with complete playlists of all

1430
01:07:46,333 --> 01:07:48,773
Speaker 3: the music they play. Fair enough too when you hear

1431
01:07:48,933 --> 01:07:51,373
Speaker 3: about music royalties. That's what we do. Every month. We

1432
01:07:51,493 --> 01:07:54,533
Speaker 3: analyze over three hundred and thirty million lines of music

1433
01:07:54,653 --> 01:07:58,413
Speaker 3: data from digital music services, background music supplies, radio stations,

1434
01:07:58,493 --> 01:08:02,533
Speaker 3: television stations, live performers, and more. We match what has

1435
01:08:02,613 --> 01:08:06,733
Speaker 3: been played and distribute to the songwriters, composers, publishers, recording

1436
01:08:06,813 --> 01:08:09,573
Speaker 3: artists and record labels whom and own the music you

1437
01:08:09,693 --> 01:08:10,893
Speaker 3: play at your business.

1438
01:08:11,293 --> 01:08:13,973
Speaker 2: Are they going in and because I just don't think

1439
01:08:14,013 --> 01:08:16,532
Speaker 2: this is even possible so as I keep saying, if

1440
01:08:16,613 --> 01:08:19,693
Speaker 2: you're running a restaurant, you'll play some soft jazz in

1441
01:08:19,733 --> 01:08:22,253
Speaker 2: the background, right, Yeah, So they're collecting money for that

1442
01:08:22,412 --> 01:08:25,652
Speaker 2: soft jazz, but there's no way that's going to the

1443
01:08:25,772 --> 01:08:26,692
Speaker 2: artists that played it.

1444
01:08:26,893 --> 01:08:29,133
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, if you go and.

1445
01:08:29,133 --> 01:08:32,253
Speaker 2: Say, well, because that music isn't played on the radio,

1446
01:08:32,333 --> 01:08:34,572
Speaker 2: it's not played on Spotify, it's not played anywhere else.

1447
01:08:34,572 --> 01:08:36,812
Speaker 2: The any place that's played is well, I mean, I

1448
01:08:36,853 --> 01:08:39,732
Speaker 2: don't know, is streaming one of the ways that they

1449
01:08:39,812 --> 01:08:40,932
Speaker 2: work out how popular is yep?

1450
01:08:41,173 --> 01:08:41,372
Speaker 4: Yep?

1451
01:08:41,452 --> 01:08:45,492
Speaker 2: Right, So it's only really played. And I just do

1452
01:08:45,612 --> 01:08:52,093
Speaker 2: not believe if the Tyler Adams Quartet soft you know,

1453
01:08:52,333 --> 01:08:58,973
Speaker 2: cuisine jazz is being recorded, you know in Nelson and

1454
01:08:59,372 --> 01:09:02,173
Speaker 2: being played in a restaurant in Auckland, I don't believe

1455
01:09:02,173 --> 01:09:03,173
Speaker 2: you would get a single scene.

1456
01:09:03,213 --> 01:09:04,532
Speaker 3: No, I don't think i'd see At nine. I think

1457
01:09:04,572 --> 01:09:06,492
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift has seen a lot of the money. Oh

1458
01:09:06,532 --> 01:09:09,012
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

1459
01:09:09,253 --> 01:09:11,972
Speaker 2: After the break though, we will talk to a musician

1460
01:09:12,133 --> 01:09:14,093
Speaker 2: because I think we all agree that musicians deserve to

1461
01:09:14,133 --> 01:09:18,372
Speaker 2: be paid for their their art, right, Yeah, definitely, one

1462
01:09:18,412 --> 01:09:20,732
Speaker 2: hundred percent. It's just whether it's fear and everyone else

1463
01:09:20,732 --> 01:09:22,372
Speaker 2: in the music's actually the money's actually going to them.

1464
01:09:22,452 --> 01:09:24,213
Speaker 3: Yep, that's going to be good. Seventeen to three. Back

1465
01:09:24,253 --> 01:09:24,692
Speaker 3: in a month.

1466
01:09:26,093 --> 01:09:30,892
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons.

1467
01:09:30,492 --> 01:09:33,612
Speaker 7: Call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk z'd.

1468
01:09:33,412 --> 01:09:38,412
Speaker 3: Be fourteen two three, and we are talking about music

1469
01:09:38,532 --> 01:09:43,213
Speaker 3: licenses for businesses. It's governed by one Music in Z's

1470
01:09:43,412 --> 01:09:45,612
Speaker 3: and if you've come across them, love to hear your story. Oh,

1471
01:09:45,612 --> 01:09:46,812
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty So.

1472
01:09:46,893 --> 01:09:49,173
Speaker 2: One New Zealand Music is just a way of bringing

1473
01:09:49,253 --> 01:09:53,213
Speaker 2: together the EPRA, so the automatic royalties and the songwriting royalties.

1474
01:09:53,213 --> 01:09:56,173
Speaker 2: Songwriting royalties being OPRA and the automatic royal is being

1475
01:09:56,333 --> 01:10:00,212
Speaker 2: m cost right, Yep, correct, Yep, Marty, you're a musician,

1476
01:10:00,333 --> 01:10:01,133
Speaker 2: your point of view on this?

1477
01:10:02,213 --> 01:10:06,612
Speaker 14: Yeah, good, ay, thanks for your time. Yeah, So I've

1478
01:10:06,652 --> 01:10:09,932
Speaker 14: got a little story I'd like to share it. Actually,

1479
01:10:10,053 --> 01:10:16,932
Speaker 14: I withdrew my rights from One Music because I write music.

1480
01:10:16,973 --> 01:10:19,532
Speaker 14: I'm a songwriter. I've been writing for many, many years.

1481
01:10:20,053 --> 01:10:23,652
Speaker 14: I'd say probably twenty years. I've had songs in the

1482
01:10:23,732 --> 01:10:26,452
Speaker 14: top forty under my music which is called the Hart

1483
01:10:26,492 --> 01:10:30,173
Speaker 14: of Catherine, and at one point I just got so

1484
01:10:30,452 --> 01:10:36,173
Speaker 14: tired of my songs being played in public and not

1485
01:10:36,372 --> 01:10:41,333
Speaker 14: getting anything, like, you know, getting paid very very unsustainable

1486
01:10:41,372 --> 01:10:45,492
Speaker 14: amounts of royalty payments, and so I decided to withdraw

1487
01:10:46,293 --> 01:10:52,013
Speaker 14: so that one music wasn't covering my music anymore. And

1488
01:10:53,093 --> 01:10:57,772
Speaker 14: what happened was, about six months later, my mum walked

1489
01:10:57,812 --> 01:11:01,253
Speaker 14: into a bank. I should say who it was, but

1490
01:11:01,612 --> 01:11:04,772
Speaker 14: what bank it was, but I'm not going to. But

1491
01:11:05,572 --> 01:11:08,452
Speaker 14: what happened is my mum walked into the bank. My

1492
01:11:08,612 --> 01:11:11,732
Speaker 14: song was playing in the background of the bank. And

1493
01:11:12,812 --> 01:11:17,012
Speaker 14: then what happened was I said, oh, well, we've followed

1494
01:11:17,093 --> 01:11:19,732
Speaker 14: up with the bank and said, hey, who are you

1495
01:11:19,853 --> 01:11:23,253
Speaker 14: paying for this? And they said one music, even though

1496
01:11:23,333 --> 01:11:28,612
Speaker 14: we had withdrawn our writes from one music, and so yeah,

1497
01:11:28,652 --> 01:11:33,412
Speaker 14: it's that that's an experience that I had and I've

1498
01:11:33,492 --> 01:11:36,572
Speaker 14: found it. And when we followed up with one music

1499
01:11:37,452 --> 01:11:41,973
Speaker 14: to say, hey, why has this happened and where you know?

1500
01:11:42,572 --> 01:11:47,293
Speaker 14: Why why an't these payments coming to us, what happened

1501
01:11:47,692 --> 01:11:55,652
Speaker 14: was they lawyered up against me and basically just I

1502
01:11:55,692 --> 01:11:59,892
Speaker 14: won't go into too much details, but they I ended

1503
01:11:59,973 --> 01:12:01,932
Speaker 14: up having to go all the way to the High Court,

1504
01:12:03,093 --> 01:12:06,612
Speaker 14: I self represented as an artist to say, excuse me,

1505
01:12:06,732 --> 01:12:10,013
Speaker 14: but what you've done is wrong, and they wore me

1506
01:12:10,133 --> 01:12:13,092
Speaker 14: out and I actually ended up having to withdraw because

1507
01:12:13,492 --> 01:12:18,093
Speaker 14: these guys, yeah, they've got so much money behind them

1508
01:12:18,173 --> 01:12:20,732
Speaker 14: that we were getting threats that you know, we would

1509
01:12:21,013 --> 01:12:24,253
Speaker 14: potentially not threats, but they said, oh, if this went

1510
01:12:24,293 --> 01:12:26,732
Speaker 14: to trial, it would cost seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars,

1511
01:12:27,213 --> 01:12:29,973
Speaker 14: that kind of thing. And I'm an artist, and you know,

1512
01:12:30,532 --> 01:12:36,092
Speaker 14: it's like minimum standards that exists in workplaces right between

1513
01:12:38,452 --> 01:12:41,452
Speaker 14: like let's say you're an employee of a business, but

1514
01:12:41,612 --> 01:12:44,932
Speaker 14: like at the end of the day and a person

1515
01:12:45,013 --> 01:12:48,093
Speaker 14: making music. But I've heard a lot of people say, oh, well,

1516
01:12:48,093 --> 01:12:50,932
Speaker 14: I'm a small business, and you know, this is unfair

1517
01:12:51,053 --> 01:12:54,772
Speaker 14: on my business, like as a retailer, and I get

1518
01:12:54,812 --> 01:12:59,012
Speaker 14: that it's hard and everything's punching for everyone the financial reality.

1519
01:12:59,133 --> 01:13:03,412
Speaker 14: But a musician, a creator of music is a small business.

1520
01:13:04,173 --> 01:13:07,133
Speaker 14: Like we are also small businesses. And so let's say

1521
01:13:07,173 --> 01:13:11,092
Speaker 14: you're selling cupcakes, and you know, you've got a cupcakes

1522
01:13:11,133 --> 01:13:13,893
Speaker 14: stand and you're selling cupcakes, and then people want to

1523
01:13:13,973 --> 01:13:15,812
Speaker 14: come and just take your cupcakes and say, oh no,

1524
01:13:15,893 --> 01:13:18,492
Speaker 14: I don't have to pay for that. That's what it's like,

1525
01:13:18,732 --> 01:13:23,812
Speaker 14: is a musician, so that there there's two sides to it.

1526
01:13:24,093 --> 01:13:27,852
Speaker 14: There's that music needs to be valued and it needs

1527
01:13:28,133 --> 01:13:32,173
Speaker 14: especially New Zealand music because creators of New Zealand music

1528
01:13:32,812 --> 01:13:37,093
Speaker 14: doing the hard yards putting this music together, and you know,

1529
01:13:37,372 --> 01:13:40,972
Speaker 14: we're all and then New Zealand businesses are out there

1530
01:13:41,093 --> 01:13:43,932
Speaker 14: needing music to be played, and it's like we should

1531
01:13:44,013 --> 01:13:48,933
Speaker 14: be supporting each other. It's it's like there's there's a

1532
01:13:49,053 --> 01:13:55,972
Speaker 14: mutual reciprocal relationship there. So yeah, it was it's it's

1533
01:13:56,053 --> 01:13:58,772
Speaker 14: not good. And so the outcome of that is actually,

1534
01:13:59,173 --> 01:14:03,732
Speaker 14: as a musician, I've decided to put together I've gotten

1535
01:14:05,652 --> 01:14:08,052
Speaker 14: pretty much put an add online for New Zealand artists

1536
01:14:08,812 --> 01:14:11,372
Speaker 14: and said, hey, who's not who's who wants to join

1537
01:14:11,412 --> 01:14:13,972
Speaker 14: a system where we just go direct outside of one

1538
01:14:14,053 --> 01:14:16,852
Speaker 14: Music and we just go direct to these retailers. And

1539
01:14:17,093 --> 01:14:22,972
Speaker 14: you wouldn't believe it. Hundreds of artists joined and said

1540
01:14:23,213 --> 01:14:24,692
Speaker 14: we want to be part of this, we want to

1541
01:14:24,732 --> 01:14:28,812
Speaker 14: go direct. And so we're in the middle of trying

1542
01:14:28,853 --> 01:14:33,652
Speaker 14: to offer essentially an alternative service where you won't be

1543
01:14:33,732 --> 01:14:38,133
Speaker 14: paying you know, exorbitant fees, but you'll be knowing that

1544
01:14:38,253 --> 01:14:41,612
Speaker 14: it's actually like, we only supplied the music that is

1545
01:14:41,652 --> 01:14:45,692
Speaker 14: actually so the music that we supply is the music

1546
01:14:45,772 --> 01:14:48,893
Speaker 14: that's licensed. It's not a blanket license for everything or

1547
01:14:49,053 --> 01:14:51,812
Speaker 14: essentially everything is just what we supply is what you're

1548
01:14:51,853 --> 01:14:53,973
Speaker 14: paying a license for. So that's how you can know

1549
01:14:54,173 --> 01:14:56,132
Speaker 14: that you're going direct.

1550
01:14:56,412 --> 01:15:01,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's incredibly interesting and complex. So do you

1551
01:15:01,452 --> 01:15:03,253
Speaker 2: know if one music and amper and stuff, do they

1552
01:15:03,253 --> 01:15:07,972
Speaker 2: have a statuted, you know, monopoly on collecting that money.

1553
01:15:08,612 --> 01:15:12,052
Speaker 14: Or in Australia. In Australia they do. In New Zealand

1554
01:15:12,133 --> 01:15:12,492
Speaker 14: they do not.

1555
01:15:12,772 --> 01:15:17,492
Speaker 2: Wow, that's interesting. And so what was your your one

1556
01:15:17,532 --> 01:15:19,172
Speaker 2: of your big songs is that Evergreen?

1557
01:15:20,772 --> 01:15:23,013
Speaker 14: Yeah, it was one song called Evergreen that got to

1558
01:15:23,293 --> 01:15:25,732
Speaker 14: number one on the Life EFM charts. And then My

1559
01:15:25,893 --> 01:15:31,452
Speaker 14: Salvation was a top forty song back in twenty fourteen.

1560
01:15:31,612 --> 01:15:35,053
Speaker 14: Ye a long time ago now, but yeah, Evergreen was

1561
01:15:35,093 --> 01:15:38,852
Speaker 14: more recent. But yeah, it was that My Salvation that

1562
01:15:39,013 --> 01:15:41,893
Speaker 14: was playing at the Bank, And yeah, there was like

1563
01:15:42,093 --> 01:15:46,892
Speaker 14: when you go like, oh, I'm intentionally exiting from this system,

1564
01:15:48,853 --> 01:15:51,052
Speaker 14: you know, and then you still hear your song getting played,

1565
01:15:51,053 --> 01:15:54,532
Speaker 14: and then you still hear it that the person who

1566
01:15:54,652 --> 01:15:57,333
Speaker 14: was playing it is paying royalties to someone who no

1567
01:15:57,452 --> 01:16:02,372
Speaker 14: longer represents your music. It's just like, yeah, it's bad.

1568
01:16:02,572 --> 01:16:04,452
Speaker 3: Oh they should be looking after you, that's what they say,

1569
01:16:04,772 --> 01:16:05,492
Speaker 3: and after musicians.

1570
01:16:05,492 --> 01:16:07,893
Speaker 2: Well, it's complicated because artists deserve to be paid for

1571
01:16:07,933 --> 01:16:10,093
Speaker 2: the music and songwriters deserve to pay for their music.

1572
01:16:10,492 --> 01:16:12,452
Speaker 2: But as long as they are actually getting paid, yeah,

1573
01:16:12,772 --> 01:16:14,372
Speaker 2: yeah exactly. I mean, how do we know it's not

1574
01:16:14,452 --> 01:16:15,892
Speaker 2: all going to tATu swip exactly?

1575
01:16:16,293 --> 01:16:19,253
Speaker 3: And is eight minutes to three Beggary shortly.

1576
01:16:20,093 --> 01:16:22,412
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1577
01:16:22,532 --> 01:16:26,012
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News

1578
01:16:26,093 --> 01:16:27,013
Speaker 1: Talk ZEDB.

1579
01:16:27,452 --> 01:16:30,253
Speaker 3: News Talk ZB. We're talking about music licensing. If you

1580
01:16:30,372 --> 01:16:33,372
Speaker 3: run a business, it is operated by one Music in

1581
01:16:33,812 --> 01:16:36,892
Speaker 3: z if you've come across them, love to hear your story.

1582
01:16:36,933 --> 01:16:38,452
Speaker 3: What happened to one hundred and eighteen eighty?

1583
01:16:38,492 --> 01:16:41,333
Speaker 2: I'm just reading how much money is collected by APRA,

1584
01:16:41,412 --> 01:16:44,013
Speaker 2: which is one half of the one Music situation. So

1585
01:16:44,412 --> 01:16:49,772
Speaker 2: APRA is the Australia New Zealand Recording Association. I believe,

1586
01:16:50,372 --> 01:16:51,932
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the R stands all, but they're

1587
01:16:51,933 --> 01:16:53,813
Speaker 2: the people that take are the money for the compositions

1588
01:16:54,452 --> 01:16:57,013
Speaker 2: so they pulled in seven hundred and seven hundred and

1589
01:16:57,053 --> 01:17:00,612
Speaker 2: eighty seven point nine million dollars last year. Right, it's

1590
01:17:00,612 --> 01:17:02,053
Speaker 2: a good w lot of money. I mean, obviously most

1591
01:17:02,093 --> 01:17:05,772
Speaker 2: of it's going to be in Australia. But you know,

1592
01:17:05,853 --> 01:17:09,452
Speaker 2: people asking how much to the people that work atget

1593
01:17:09,772 --> 01:17:13,652
Speaker 2: make So I think fifteen percent of everything that comes

1594
01:17:13,692 --> 01:17:16,492
Speaker 2: in is spent on administration of the operation.

1595
01:17:16,973 --> 01:17:20,692
Speaker 3: That's not huge. Fifteen percent, so eighty five goes to

1596
01:17:20,973 --> 01:17:21,932
Speaker 3: the artists involved.

1597
01:17:22,692 --> 01:17:24,692
Speaker 2: We've never lived an all time gross of revenue of

1598
01:17:24,732 --> 01:17:26,572
Speaker 2: seven hundred and eighty seven point nine million.

1599
01:17:26,812 --> 01:17:27,012
Speaker 6: Wow.

1600
01:17:27,173 --> 01:17:29,093
Speaker 2: I just really want to find out exactly how it's

1601
01:17:29,532 --> 01:17:33,932
Speaker 2: the exact equation they use to divvy it up.

1602
01:17:34,053 --> 01:17:35,333
Speaker 3: It's hard to find that information.

1603
01:17:35,412 --> 01:17:37,612
Speaker 2: The algorithm they have to get that money that they

1604
01:17:37,652 --> 01:17:39,133
Speaker 2: take off cafes to give to artists.

1605
01:17:39,253 --> 01:17:41,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, shall we keep this going? Oh wait, one hundred

1606
01:17:41,253 --> 01:17:43,652
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call Love

1607
01:17:43,732 --> 01:17:46,692
Speaker 3: to hear your stories and situations. And it seems like

1608
01:17:46,853 --> 01:17:49,612
Speaker 3: someone from APRA may have called into the show, So

1609
01:17:49,652 --> 01:17:50,973
Speaker 3: we're going to have a chat to them. After three

1610
01:17:51,013 --> 01:17:54,212
Speaker 3: o'clock or so. Elliot Smith will be back in studio.

1611
01:17:54,893 --> 01:17:57,372
Speaker 3: In Za has just held their press conference on the

1612
01:17:57,412 --> 01:17:59,972
Speaker 3: selection process for the new All Blacks coach. Will break

1613
01:18:00,093 --> 01:18:02,933
Speaker 3: all that down very shortly. New Sport and weather on

1614
01:18:03,013 --> 01:18:05,133
Speaker 3: its way. Great to have your company, stay right here,

1615
01:18:05,372 --> 01:18:06,293
Speaker 3: will be back very soon.

1616
01:18:15,933 --> 01:18:19,213
Speaker 7: Your new home are instateful and entertaining talk.

1617
01:18:19,492 --> 01:18:24,012
Speaker 1: It's Mattie and Taylor Adams Afternoons on News Talk Sebby.

1618
01:18:24,772 --> 01:18:27,932
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, welcome back into the show, six past three,

1619
01:18:28,013 --> 01:18:30,972
Speaker 3: and we are going to return to our discussion about

1620
01:18:31,053 --> 01:18:33,852
Speaker 3: one music ends it and being forced to have a

1621
01:18:33,933 --> 01:18:36,052
Speaker 3: music license if you've got a business and you play music.

1622
01:18:36,213 --> 01:18:37,852
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people are sending cruel stuff

1623
01:18:37,893 --> 01:18:40,452
Speaker 2: through around my fandom of the Los Angeles Rams in

1624
01:18:40,492 --> 01:18:44,893
Speaker 2: this current fixture, hurtful against the Seahawks, thirty one to

1625
01:18:44,933 --> 01:18:49,053
Speaker 2: the Seahawks, twenty seven to the Rams into the third quarter,

1626
01:18:49,053 --> 01:18:50,492
Speaker 2: a whole nother quarter to go, and we all know

1627
01:18:52,013 --> 01:18:54,492
Speaker 2: from the terminent warning that's when it all gets interesting.

1628
01:18:55,452 --> 01:18:58,092
Speaker 2: So people that are trying to you know, youse Seahawks

1629
01:18:58,173 --> 01:19:02,092
Speaker 2: fans settled out very cruel, very cruel and unfair.

1630
01:19:02,692 --> 01:19:05,692
Speaker 3: Speaking of sport, though, of course New Zealand Rugby has

1631
01:19:05,772 --> 01:19:08,612
Speaker 3: made a big policy change for the hiring of Scott

1632
01:19:08,772 --> 01:19:13,173
Speaker 3: Robertson's replacement. They held a media conference this afternoon and

1633
01:19:13,572 --> 01:19:16,093
Speaker 3: our Voice of Rugby, Elliot Smith, was there. Good to

1634
01:19:16,093 --> 01:19:18,293
Speaker 3: see again. Elliott's, so what.

1635
01:19:18,333 --> 01:19:19,812
Speaker 2: Do we learn from the media conference?

1636
01:19:19,853 --> 01:19:21,732
Speaker 18: Elliott, Well, I think we learned, similar to what we

1637
01:19:21,772 --> 01:19:24,932
Speaker 18: outlined a little bit earlier, that they have got their

1638
01:19:25,492 --> 01:19:28,293
Speaker 18: candidates in mind. I think even though they want expressly

1639
01:19:28,372 --> 01:19:30,812
Speaker 18: say who they are, they've narrowed the field to go.

1640
01:19:31,412 --> 01:19:34,452
Speaker 18: These people should apply and if you don't have the

1641
01:19:34,532 --> 01:19:37,412
Speaker 18: requisite experience, then this time you don't. And look, I

1642
01:19:37,452 --> 01:19:39,692
Speaker 18: think it is a little bit of an admission of

1643
01:19:40,173 --> 01:19:43,412
Speaker 18: failure that Scott Robinson didn't have that international head coaching role.

1644
01:19:43,612 --> 01:19:45,492
Speaker 18: He had a little bit of experience with Brazil, with

1645
01:19:45,732 --> 01:19:48,492
Speaker 18: all due respect that it's not coaching a Tier one nation,

1646
01:19:49,652 --> 01:19:52,053
Speaker 18: and so I think it's an admission that they need

1647
01:19:52,213 --> 01:19:54,612
Speaker 18: someone in there. And Steve Lancaster Bassie is saying, we

1648
01:19:54,652 --> 01:19:57,372
Speaker 18: don't have time to have someone finally their feet. Someone

1649
01:19:57,452 --> 01:19:59,973
Speaker 18: might be the ideal candidate that hasn't coached at international

1650
01:20:00,732 --> 01:20:03,053
Speaker 18: level before, but this is not the occasion for them

1651
01:20:03,133 --> 01:20:03,452
Speaker 18: to apply.

1652
01:20:03,652 --> 01:20:06,093
Speaker 2: Well, that the head coach part of it is key,

1653
01:20:06,253 --> 01:20:08,812
Speaker 2: isn't it, Because there's international experience but has to be

1654
01:20:09,053 --> 01:20:10,852
Speaker 2: the top international experience, that's right.

1655
01:20:11,093 --> 01:20:13,093
Speaker 18: And so you look at the candidates and the ones

1656
01:20:13,133 --> 01:20:15,133
Speaker 18: that have been talked about ever since Scott Robertson was

1657
01:20:15,412 --> 01:20:18,612
Speaker 18: given the sack about ten eleven days ago. Now, Dave

1658
01:20:18,692 --> 01:20:21,333
Speaker 18: Rennie ticks that box, Jamie Joseph texs that box, Doing

1659
01:20:21,372 --> 01:20:23,492
Speaker 18: cotd to texts that box. It's a very you know,

1660
01:20:23,572 --> 01:20:25,532
Speaker 18: they haven't opened it very wide. In fact, they've narrowed

1661
01:20:25,532 --> 01:20:28,173
Speaker 18: their focus right down to go. These are the people

1662
01:20:28,253 --> 01:20:31,052
Speaker 18: that we're interested in hearing from in this in this process,

1663
01:20:31,532 --> 01:20:33,532
Speaker 18: come in present, tell us what you can bring to

1664
01:20:33,572 --> 01:20:36,293
Speaker 18: the all Blacks environment and how you'll shape this team

1665
01:20:36,333 --> 01:20:38,452
Speaker 18: to the World Cup. And they've made it pretty definitive

1666
01:20:38,532 --> 01:20:40,692
Speaker 18: that it is a runway to the World Cup. It

1667
01:20:40,893 --> 01:20:42,773
Speaker 18: sounds like the coach is only going to be contracted

1668
01:20:43,133 --> 01:20:45,133
Speaker 18: until the end of twenty twenty seven. They won't make

1669
01:20:45,173 --> 01:20:48,213
Speaker 18: any calls at that point. At this point around further so,

1670
01:20:48,412 --> 01:20:51,572
Speaker 18: this is just a bit of a hidden run experiment

1671
01:20:51,572 --> 01:20:54,692
Speaker 18: from New Zealand. Right, Yeah, did Steve langsid the name names?

1672
01:20:55,452 --> 01:20:55,893
Speaker 3: Did it know?

1673
01:20:56,253 --> 01:20:58,852
Speaker 18: The straight back was out from Steve Lancaster around names?

1674
01:20:59,692 --> 01:21:02,333
Speaker 18: You know, Tony Brown has ruled himself out of being

1675
01:21:02,372 --> 01:21:05,892
Speaker 18: involved at the moment with his commitments to South Africa.

1676
01:21:06,093 --> 01:21:08,572
Speaker 18: Joe Schmids draw a line through his name today and

1677
01:21:08,652 --> 01:21:10,772
Speaker 18: a report across the Tasman, but wouldn't talk to the

1678
01:21:10,853 --> 01:21:13,732
Speaker 18: names that he wants to see, throwing you know, their

1679
01:21:13,772 --> 01:21:17,173
Speaker 18: hat into the ring as it were. I guess he

1680
01:21:17,173 --> 01:21:20,532
Speaker 18: doesn't want to put any candidate above another, so it's

1681
01:21:20,612 --> 01:21:22,452
Speaker 18: left for us to fill in the blanks, I guess

1682
01:21:22,532 --> 01:21:24,652
Speaker 18: and say these are the likely candidates.

1683
01:21:24,933 --> 01:21:27,572
Speaker 2: It's a bit sneaky to set your own rules and

1684
01:21:27,652 --> 01:21:30,293
Speaker 2: then you're kind of setting your own success. These are

1685
01:21:30,293 --> 01:21:32,412
Speaker 2: the only people we could select from. Well, yes, on

1686
01:21:32,532 --> 01:21:34,213
Speaker 2: the rules that we made up of who we could select,

1687
01:21:34,372 --> 01:21:36,972
Speaker 2: I mean, and they've gone when you're in New Zealander

1688
01:21:37,133 --> 01:21:41,053
Speaker 2: as well, and so it's not like we can go

1689
01:21:41,173 --> 01:21:43,732
Speaker 2: Jacques Ninneburgh, who's coach I ever got a World Cup,

1690
01:21:43,893 --> 01:21:47,293
Speaker 2: or Eddie Jones or whoever might you know be out

1691
01:21:47,333 --> 01:21:49,412
Speaker 2: there that may take that box with international experience.

1692
01:21:49,452 --> 01:21:49,812
Speaker 3: They've gone.

1693
01:21:50,013 --> 01:21:52,372
Speaker 18: We did in New Zealander to lead this role, so

1694
01:21:52,572 --> 01:21:54,652
Speaker 18: it was unlikely that would have changed, especially at this

1695
01:21:54,732 --> 01:21:56,492
Speaker 18: point in time, that they're not going to going to

1696
01:21:56,532 --> 01:21:58,772
Speaker 18: get a foreigner in charge of the all Blacks at

1697
01:21:58,812 --> 01:22:00,452
Speaker 18: the moment, but maybe down the track.

1698
01:22:00,692 --> 01:22:03,092
Speaker 2: So it's just the end of ever of that pathway

1699
01:22:03,612 --> 01:22:06,333
Speaker 2: straight from Super Rugby to being the All Blacks coach.

1700
01:22:06,452 --> 01:22:06,852
Speaker 3: I think so.

1701
01:22:07,372 --> 01:22:09,772
Speaker 18: And look, it was a pathway that was really only

1702
01:22:09,812 --> 01:22:11,732
Speaker 18: open for a limited time with Scott Robertson and I've

1703
01:22:11,772 --> 01:22:13,492
Speaker 18: gone okay, that was that was the wrong way to

1704
01:22:13,532 --> 01:22:15,772
Speaker 18: go about it. You think of Igan Foster, he went

1705
01:22:15,812 --> 01:22:19,053
Speaker 18: through the All Blacks environment, Steve Hansen came from the

1706
01:22:19,093 --> 01:22:21,892
Speaker 18: All Blacks environment previously Wales. Graham Henry came from Wales.

1707
01:22:21,933 --> 01:22:24,372
Speaker 18: So it's been a long lineage now of people that

1708
01:22:24,452 --> 01:22:27,093
Speaker 18: have had international experience. But it wouldn't rule out you know,

1709
01:22:27,253 --> 01:22:29,932
Speaker 18: Avon Cotter or Jamie Joseph who have coached at Super

1710
01:22:29,973 --> 01:22:33,133
Speaker 18: rugby level previously also coached internationally and then come back

1711
01:22:33,173 --> 01:22:35,532
Speaker 18: to Super Rugby from applying for the role.

1712
01:22:36,053 --> 01:22:38,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, and have we heard anything at all from Razor

1713
01:22:38,532 --> 01:22:41,293
Speaker 2: Robinson in terms of what he's going to do. Nothing,

1714
01:22:41,372 --> 01:22:42,213
Speaker 2: that's complete Black.

1715
01:22:42,412 --> 01:22:44,013
Speaker 18: There was a little bit of a linked to I

1716
01:22:44,053 --> 01:22:46,372
Speaker 18: think Harlequin's for a bit, but they've appointed a coach,

1717
01:22:46,412 --> 01:22:48,412
Speaker 18: they were already, so I think he would just sit

1718
01:22:48,492 --> 01:22:51,333
Speaker 18: tight and basically wait, you know, the international rugby is

1719
01:22:51,372 --> 01:22:54,052
Speaker 18: a funny game, you know, you'd say at this point,

1720
01:22:54,492 --> 01:22:56,532
Speaker 18: you know, three weeks ago all the coaches were locked

1721
01:22:56,572 --> 01:22:58,892
Speaker 18: into the next World Cup cycle. Well, the All Blacks

1722
01:22:58,893 --> 01:23:01,892
Speaker 18: have moved. Other coaches may move, you think. Dave Rennie

1723
01:23:02,013 --> 01:23:04,692
Speaker 18: was ousted less than twelve months out from the twenty

1724
01:23:04,732 --> 01:23:08,133
Speaker 18: three World Cup in France. So things can move pretty

1725
01:23:08,173 --> 01:23:10,772
Speaker 18: quick in the world of rugby. The Six Nations, you know,

1726
01:23:10,893 --> 01:23:14,932
Speaker 18: starts on my tonguey weekends. If coaches there, I'm looking

1727
01:23:14,973 --> 01:23:16,692
Speaker 18: at maybe a Scotland or someone like that, if their

1728
01:23:16,772 --> 01:23:19,452
Speaker 18: campaign's on up to scratch, they could move, you know,

1729
01:23:19,572 --> 01:23:21,253
Speaker 18: like the All Blacks and New Zealand rugby did ahead

1730
01:23:21,253 --> 01:23:21,732
Speaker 18: of the World Cup.

1731
01:23:21,812 --> 01:23:22,932
Speaker 2: See Razer off to Scotland.

1732
01:23:23,093 --> 01:23:23,133
Speaker 15: That.

1733
01:23:23,452 --> 01:23:25,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, this all seems to give Jamie Joseph a lot

1734
01:23:25,692 --> 01:23:27,812
Speaker 3: of leverage. I mean, is that a smart negotiation play

1735
01:23:27,893 --> 01:23:29,412
Speaker 3: from MENSI at h Well, if you knock all the

1736
01:23:29,452 --> 01:23:31,733
Speaker 3: candidates out and there's only Jamie Jovih Joseph.

1737
01:23:32,093 --> 01:23:35,253
Speaker 18: He's a real candidate for the role. He applied for

1738
01:23:35,293 --> 01:23:38,972
Speaker 18: it previously, was in the mix previously. Dave Rennie didn't

1739
01:23:38,973 --> 01:23:42,053
Speaker 18: apply for it in twenty twenty three. I suspect it's

1740
01:23:42,093 --> 01:23:44,253
Speaker 18: probably a two or three horse race. And look, Jamie

1741
01:23:44,293 --> 01:23:47,852
Speaker 18: Joseph has probably the added advantage of being in the

1742
01:23:47,893 --> 01:23:50,812
Speaker 18: New Zealand system. He's the man that they can wrangle

1743
01:23:50,853 --> 01:23:53,372
Speaker 18: out of a contract if needed and then put someone

1744
01:23:53,412 --> 01:23:55,333
Speaker 18: in for the Highlanders if need be, for the rest

1745
01:23:55,412 --> 01:23:57,812
Speaker 18: of the season, Dave Rennie, And my understanding is his

1746
01:23:57,933 --> 01:24:02,213
Speaker 18: contract doesn't end until June. Not necessarily ideal, not you.

1747
01:24:02,213 --> 01:24:03,173
Speaker 3: Know, the end of the world.

1748
01:24:03,253 --> 01:24:06,293
Speaker 18: But again he's got Japanese commitments right through to June

1749
01:24:06,333 --> 01:24:08,652
Speaker 18: with the club he's coaching over there with co so

1750
01:24:10,572 --> 01:24:12,492
Speaker 18: he's probably got the inside running in terms of just

1751
01:24:12,652 --> 01:24:15,213
Speaker 18: the easiness that you can put someone into that head

1752
01:24:15,253 --> 01:24:15,772
Speaker 18: coaching role.

1753
01:24:15,933 --> 01:24:16,133
Speaker 6: Yep.

1754
01:24:16,253 --> 01:24:18,732
Speaker 3: And just finally, did they say a deadline or when

1755
01:24:18,732 --> 01:24:19,972
Speaker 3: they want to lock this in a nothing?

1756
01:24:20,173 --> 01:24:24,372
Speaker 18: The word was urgent, so you know, bull in a

1757
01:24:24,452 --> 01:24:27,253
Speaker 18: china shop, but also making sure that ball doesn't make

1758
01:24:27,333 --> 01:24:30,532
Speaker 18: the wrong move. So I suspect they want someone in

1759
01:24:30,572 --> 01:24:33,372
Speaker 18: the next month or so. Yeah, great stuff, Elliot. Always

1760
01:24:33,372 --> 01:24:34,612
Speaker 18: good to see you mate, Thank you very much to

1761
01:24:34,732 --> 01:24:37,213
Speaker 18: to my back end. That is News Talks, b's Voice

1762
01:24:37,253 --> 01:24:41,412
Speaker 18: of Rugby, Elliott Smith. It is thirteen past three. After

1763
01:24:41,492 --> 01:24:43,532
Speaker 18: we play some messages we're going back to our discussion

1764
01:24:43,812 --> 01:24:47,492
Speaker 18: about one Music in ZED and the music licenses that

1765
01:24:47,612 --> 01:24:49,092
Speaker 18: they require from business owners.

1766
01:24:49,093 --> 01:24:50,492
Speaker 3: If you've had a run in with them, Love to

1767
01:24:50,532 --> 01:24:52,093
Speaker 3: hear from you. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1768
01:24:52,173 --> 01:24:52,652
Speaker 3: is that number?

1769
01:24:52,732 --> 01:24:54,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we're going to be talking from someone from

1770
01:24:54,973 --> 01:24:56,093
Speaker 2: APRA coming up very.

1771
01:24:56,013 --> 01:24:59,212
Speaker 3: Soon, brilliant news talk. Z'd be for a good afternoon,

1772
01:24:59,253 --> 01:25:01,133
Speaker 3: two sixteen past three. So we're going back to our

1773
01:25:01,133 --> 01:25:04,532
Speaker 3: discussion about music licensing. If you run a business governed

1774
01:25:04,612 --> 01:25:08,052
Speaker 3: by One Music in Z and if you've come across

1775
01:25:08,213 --> 01:25:10,893
Speaker 3: the I mean, we're getting loads of ticks coming through that.

1776
01:25:11,133 --> 01:25:14,133
Speaker 3: Some of their tactics to some business owners feel a

1777
01:25:14,293 --> 01:25:16,333
Speaker 3: little bit over the top, a little bit mafia like.

1778
01:25:16,412 --> 01:25:17,732
Speaker 3: If that you love to hear from you. Oh, eight

1779
01:25:17,853 --> 01:25:19,372
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1780
01:25:19,933 --> 01:25:23,452
Speaker 2: Full disclosure. I'm a member of APRA, yep, and I'm

1781
01:25:23,492 --> 01:25:25,093
Speaker 2: just going through my royalty statement right now.

1782
01:25:25,173 --> 01:25:26,012
Speaker 3: Okay, how's it looking.

1783
01:25:26,213 --> 01:25:29,372
Speaker 2: It's not good. That's not good. Although I did look

1784
01:25:29,412 --> 01:25:35,732
Speaker 2: on Spotify and five two and eighty five active like

1785
01:25:35,893 --> 01:25:38,372
Speaker 2: individual listeners to songs that have written last month. That

1786
01:25:38,532 --> 01:25:41,972
Speaker 2: sounds good. They sound like good numbers right, Well, zero

1787
01:25:42,093 --> 01:25:44,052
Speaker 2: point six y nine Australian cents.

1788
01:25:44,093 --> 01:25:48,133
Speaker 3: Total earnings zero point sixty nine. Yeah, they could have

1789
01:25:48,213 --> 01:25:49,492
Speaker 3: rounded that up to a buck on.

1790
01:25:49,572 --> 01:25:51,892
Speaker 2: A hang a minute. So no, my top song Beer's

1791
01:25:51,933 --> 01:25:55,293
Speaker 2: got zero point two six Australian cents. Okay, Begging on

1792
01:25:55,412 --> 01:25:58,532
Speaker 2: my knees zero point one five. I don't even write that.

1793
01:25:58,772 --> 01:26:02,532
Speaker 2: New Jack the Ripper zero point zero eight more beers

1794
01:26:02,652 --> 01:26:05,732
Speaker 2: zero point zero eight cents. There you go.

1795
01:26:07,253 --> 01:26:09,013
Speaker 3: So someone's doing good at it. I mean it's not.

1796
01:26:09,412 --> 01:26:11,452
Speaker 3: Someone's doing good out of your music, but it's not you, mate,

1797
01:26:11,452 --> 01:26:13,932
Speaker 3: So you round that up. That's just over a dollar. Yeah,

1798
01:26:14,133 --> 01:26:16,172
Speaker 3: for five thousand plus listeners.

1799
01:26:16,253 --> 01:26:18,892
Speaker 2: That's just on Spotify. That doesn't include radio play, yes,

1800
01:26:19,732 --> 01:26:22,812
Speaker 2: or wherever else or what we're talking about here, the

1801
01:26:22,933 --> 01:26:25,133
Speaker 2: cafe play. So have you got that? You've got the

1802
01:26:25,412 --> 01:26:28,133
Speaker 2: message there that the person came through that started this

1803
01:26:28,213 --> 01:26:29,053
Speaker 2: conversation off right?

1804
01:26:29,532 --> 01:26:31,612
Speaker 3: Yes, So the message here is and this is on

1805
01:26:31,732 --> 01:26:34,892
Speaker 3: social media, and I'll just try and summarize it as

1806
01:26:34,933 --> 01:26:37,612
Speaker 3: best I can. So we're a small business. They got

1807
01:26:37,692 --> 01:26:40,372
Speaker 3: contacted a few emails ago about what kind of music

1808
01:26:40,412 --> 01:26:42,852
Speaker 3: we played. Ignored those emails. Then they called us, this

1809
01:26:42,973 --> 01:26:45,173
Speaker 3: is one music in z at that time, we didn't

1810
01:26:45,213 --> 01:26:47,852
Speaker 3: know that playing Spotify was illegal for three of us,

1811
01:26:47,973 --> 01:26:51,413
Speaker 3: including a client in the office, despite having a subscription

1812
01:26:51,572 --> 01:26:53,452
Speaker 3: to Spotify. We told them on the phone find we

1813
01:26:53,492 --> 01:26:56,732
Speaker 3: won't play the music anymore. Since then, we're playing royalty free,

1814
01:26:56,812 --> 01:27:00,572
Speaker 3: copyright free music and put it on a repeated playlist.

1815
01:27:00,812 --> 01:27:03,293
Speaker 3: But they have written to us saying that music was

1816
01:27:03,333 --> 01:27:05,732
Speaker 3: playing during their compliance check and we have to pay.

1817
01:27:07,013 --> 01:27:09,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I mean, the the whole Spotify things interesting

1818
01:27:09,812 --> 01:27:12,172
Speaker 2: because if you look at the terms and conditions of Spotify,

1819
01:27:12,412 --> 01:27:17,133
Speaker 2: and they're horrifically low payments to artists, but they do

1820
01:27:17,253 --> 01:27:19,772
Speaker 2: make it clear that it's a personal use only. Yeah,

1821
01:27:20,173 --> 01:27:22,933
Speaker 2: it's so their license that they're giving you when you

1822
01:27:23,053 --> 01:27:25,293
Speaker 2: pay your subscription does not include paying it to other.

1823
01:27:25,173 --> 01:27:27,652
Speaker 3: People personal use. Yeah, makes sense. Oh, one hundred and

1824
01:27:27,692 --> 01:27:29,133
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to.

1825
01:27:29,213 --> 01:27:32,973
Speaker 2: Call Page Welcome to the show. Hello, how are you

1826
01:27:33,412 --> 01:27:36,133
Speaker 2: very good? Now you're a musician and you're familiar with

1827
01:27:36,492 --> 01:27:37,772
Speaker 2: how APRA works.

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01:27:39,173 --> 01:27:43,293
Speaker 19: Yeah, I just like, I'm a little nervous to talk

1829
01:27:43,293 --> 01:27:47,452
Speaker 19: about this because I am also somebody who is trying

1830
01:27:47,492 --> 01:27:53,293
Speaker 19: to educate myself around royalties. Yeah, but I do believe

1831
01:27:53,452 --> 01:27:58,013
Speaker 19: that one music and APRA is an amazing service to songwriters,

1832
01:27:58,452 --> 01:28:02,132
Speaker 19: where it's quite rare to have a service that protects

1833
01:28:02,692 --> 01:28:07,772
Speaker 19: songwriters rights and royalties. But I guess like a really

1834
01:28:08,013 --> 01:28:11,612
Speaker 19: good description of how one music works. And this is

1835
01:28:11,692 --> 01:28:14,652
Speaker 19: my understanding. I could be wrong, and anyone listening can

1836
01:28:15,213 --> 01:28:20,052
Speaker 19: correct me, but from what I believe, it's one music

1837
01:28:20,213 --> 01:28:26,172
Speaker 19: collects the licensing fees from cafes, you know, like venues

1838
01:28:26,372 --> 01:28:30,092
Speaker 19: all that, and then they use that money to fund

1839
01:28:30,253 --> 01:28:35,412
Speaker 19: APRA and Recorded Music who collect songwriting royalties, so that

1840
01:28:35,572 --> 01:28:40,933
Speaker 19: APRA and master royalties which is recorded music. And the

1841
01:28:41,013 --> 01:28:43,692
Speaker 19: way that they track those royalties is that they would

1842
01:28:43,732 --> 01:28:49,612
Speaker 19: have to check like that have to check licensed lists,

1843
01:28:49,652 --> 01:28:52,173
Speaker 19: which is the only type of playlist you can play

1844
01:28:52,372 --> 01:28:55,253
Speaker 19: in venues, So they can track what music's being played

1845
01:28:55,893 --> 01:28:59,213
Speaker 19: in venues based off of those playlists, and then they

1846
01:28:59,293 --> 01:29:03,572
Speaker 19: can track radio reports. And that's how they collect your

1847
01:29:03,652 --> 01:29:07,253
Speaker 19: money and pay you out your money, Like how that's

1848
01:29:07,293 --> 01:29:08,053
Speaker 19: how they pay out?

1849
01:29:09,812 --> 01:29:12,213
Speaker 2: How do they so so? And then how did they

1850
01:29:12,452 --> 01:29:12,812
Speaker 2: just so?

1851
01:29:14,213 --> 01:29:14,253
Speaker 15: So?

1852
01:29:14,692 --> 01:29:17,772
Speaker 2: Take for example I was saying before, so just let's

1853
01:29:17,772 --> 01:29:20,213
Speaker 2: just clarify it quickly. So there's two types of for

1854
01:29:20,253 --> 01:29:21,892
Speaker 2: people that weren't listening before, And I said it before

1855
01:29:21,893 --> 01:29:23,893
Speaker 2: there's two types of royalty payment. There's one for the

1856
01:29:23,973 --> 01:29:27,692
Speaker 2: recording and there's one for the songwriting, so that someone

1857
01:29:27,772 --> 01:29:29,213
Speaker 2: will own the rights of the recording. So if you

1858
01:29:29,253 --> 01:29:31,133
Speaker 2: play that, that's half the money and the people that

1859
01:29:31,213 --> 01:29:33,612
Speaker 2: wrote the song get half the money from the situation.

1860
01:29:34,013 --> 01:29:37,372
Speaker 2: And one music is bringing those two pieces together, the

1861
01:29:37,732 --> 01:29:40,492
Speaker 2: automatic royalty they call it, and the songwriting royalty being

1862
01:29:40,492 --> 01:29:44,012
Speaker 2: brought together and one but say, for example, you're paying

1863
01:29:44,053 --> 01:29:47,333
Speaker 2: a royalty from a you're paying your license to one

1864
01:29:47,452 --> 01:29:52,213
Speaker 2: music from a cafe. How do they assign that music

1865
01:29:53,133 --> 01:29:55,572
Speaker 2: because we're because because the cafe is not putting in

1866
01:29:55,612 --> 01:29:58,732
Speaker 2: a sheet of the music that they played. And say,

1867
01:29:59,133 --> 01:30:01,452
Speaker 2: for my example, before it's an Italian restaurant, they're probably

1868
01:30:01,452 --> 01:30:05,532
Speaker 2: playing some kind of obscure soft jazz. Thoseure soft jazz

1869
01:30:05,732 --> 01:30:08,173
Speaker 2: artists from who knows where they could be from the

1870
01:30:08,333 --> 01:30:12,772
Speaker 2: could be from Sweden, who knows they're they're not going

1871
01:30:12,853 --> 01:30:15,772
Speaker 2: to get any get any money. So that money has

1872
01:30:15,853 --> 01:30:18,692
Speaker 2: been brought into the system, but it's not going to

1873
01:30:18,893 --> 01:30:22,732
Speaker 2: that artist. How is the cake divided? How is the

1874
01:30:22,772 --> 01:30:25,412
Speaker 2: cake divided up? With all that extra money that comes

1875
01:30:25,452 --> 01:30:29,732
Speaker 2: in that isn't assigned by song lists or radio play

1876
01:30:30,053 --> 01:30:30,492
Speaker 2: et cetera.

1877
01:30:30,692 --> 01:30:34,452
Speaker 19: Paged you know, well, with cafes, like I said, they're

1878
01:30:34,492 --> 01:30:39,532
Speaker 19: only allowed to play licensed playlists or radio. So those

1879
01:30:39,692 --> 01:30:46,133
Speaker 19: and if your songs are correctly registered to a you know,

1880
01:30:46,213 --> 01:30:48,892
Speaker 19: a company that collects royalties, then the artists will.

1881
01:30:48,732 --> 01:30:49,412
Speaker 5: Be getting paid.

1882
01:30:49,812 --> 01:30:52,572
Speaker 19: If there's an excess amount, I'm not sure what happens

1883
01:30:52,652 --> 01:30:55,692
Speaker 19: with the excess, but like that that's a question that

1884
01:30:55,933 --> 01:30:59,133
Speaker 19: I can't answer in terms of excess amount of money.

1885
01:30:59,293 --> 01:31:02,732
Speaker 19: But it's like, at the end of the day, my

1886
01:31:02,933 --> 01:31:06,533
Speaker 19: belief is that like the money is going to songwriters,

1887
01:31:06,893 --> 01:31:11,852
Speaker 19: and if it's not after collect it, then there's like royalty.

1888
01:31:12,532 --> 01:31:15,253
Speaker 19: There's people that collect loyalties from other countries. So like

1889
01:31:15,812 --> 01:31:18,772
Speaker 19: if some random artists in Sweden is playing in a

1890
01:31:18,853 --> 01:31:23,133
Speaker 19: New Zealand cafe, then whoever's collecting their loyalties will be

1891
01:31:23,173 --> 01:31:25,772
Speaker 19: able to track where it's playing because like, for example,

1892
01:31:25,893 --> 01:31:29,412
Speaker 19: my music doesn't really do too well in New Zealand,

1893
01:31:29,652 --> 01:31:30,532
Speaker 19: it does very.

1894
01:31:30,412 --> 01:31:35,973
Speaker 3: Well in Korea, right congratulations, Yeah, thanks, So I.

1895
01:31:36,412 --> 01:31:40,093
Speaker 19: Track my stuff through like APRA will collect it through

1896
01:31:40,253 --> 01:31:44,973
Speaker 19: this company called I think it's called Comka, which is

1897
01:31:45,053 --> 01:31:49,612
Speaker 19: the Korean right royalty collector. So there is a different

1898
01:31:51,333 --> 01:31:53,532
Speaker 19: from what I understand, and I could be wrong. There

1899
01:31:53,572 --> 01:31:57,013
Speaker 19: are different things for each country, like France has so

1900
01:31:57,333 --> 01:32:03,133
Speaker 19: can Germany has GEMMA. I think so there are different

1901
01:32:03,173 --> 01:32:05,092
Speaker 19: royalty collectors overseas.

1902
01:32:05,213 --> 01:32:08,652
Speaker 2: So does that mean page That's great? So you your

1903
01:32:08,732 --> 01:32:11,253
Speaker 2: music gets paid over there, some gets collected when it

1904
01:32:11,253 --> 01:32:14,053
Speaker 2: gets paid and that comes back to APRA again in

1905
01:32:14,173 --> 01:32:16,452
Speaker 2: New Zealand that then distributes.

1906
01:32:15,933 --> 01:32:16,173
Speaker 10: It to you.

1907
01:32:16,372 --> 01:32:16,812
Speaker 2: Is that correct?

1908
01:32:18,333 --> 01:32:18,572
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1909
01:32:18,853 --> 01:32:21,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, so does that mean that? Does that mean so

1910
01:32:21,933 --> 01:32:24,892
Speaker 2: for a cafe owner in New Zealand, say you've got

1911
01:32:24,933 --> 01:32:27,173
Speaker 2: an artist like Taylor Swift, Right, so there's a lot

1912
01:32:27,253 --> 01:32:30,572
Speaker 2: of the money that APRA collects in New Zealand's going

1913
01:32:30,692 --> 01:32:33,052
Speaker 2: to just to randomly pick an artist Taylor Swift.

1914
01:32:34,213 --> 01:32:37,372
Speaker 19: Well, I'm not I don't know. I think like Taylor

1915
01:32:37,452 --> 01:32:41,812
Speaker 19: Swift would be getting her royalties collected from an American.

1916
01:32:42,812 --> 01:32:46,492
Speaker 2: Well, but just like the Korean one has to pay

1917
01:32:46,532 --> 01:32:49,692
Speaker 2: EPRA to pay you, doesn't APRA have to pay the

1918
01:32:49,853 --> 01:32:54,933
Speaker 2: American equivalent of APRA for all the radio play and

1919
01:32:55,053 --> 01:32:58,372
Speaker 2: such that Taylor Swift gets in New Zealand In Australia.

1920
01:32:58,492 --> 01:33:01,173
Speaker 19: Yeah, that's a good question. I'm not sure about how

1921
01:33:01,333 --> 01:33:06,213
Speaker 19: deep it goes with international but I do think as

1922
01:33:06,253 --> 01:33:10,093
Speaker 19: an artist who needs to earn money. I mean, like

1923
01:33:10,213 --> 01:33:12,852
Speaker 19: I've gone platinum in Korea, but I still work a

1924
01:33:12,973 --> 01:33:17,612
Speaker 19: nine to five job because Spotify pays me nothing, whereas

1925
01:33:17,772 --> 01:33:20,652
Speaker 19: APRA and Recorded Music are the ones that are actually

1926
01:33:20,692 --> 01:33:24,173
Speaker 19: trying to get artists paid. And I think, you know,

1927
01:33:25,133 --> 01:33:29,093
Speaker 19: I'm not like one hundred percent educated, but I really

1928
01:33:29,293 --> 01:33:32,053
Speaker 19: vouch for this company. I think that we should be

1929
01:33:32,173 --> 01:33:34,732
Speaker 19: valuing music. Like I used to work at Krispy Kreme

1930
01:33:34,893 --> 01:33:38,093
Speaker 19: and we had to store in silence because we hadn't

1931
01:33:38,133 --> 01:33:40,772
Speaker 19: paid our one music fee, and I value it ruined

1932
01:33:40,853 --> 01:33:41,213
Speaker 19: my whole.

1933
01:33:43,532 --> 01:33:43,732
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1934
01:33:44,173 --> 01:33:46,253
Speaker 2: No, I mean I think I think everyone would agree

1935
01:33:46,612 --> 01:33:51,732
Speaker 2: that someone that's created something, a songwriter, should get paid

1936
01:33:51,853 --> 01:33:55,093
Speaker 2: for their creation when people use it, right, Yeah, I

1937
01:33:55,173 --> 01:33:56,732
Speaker 2: think I think everyone would agree with that.

1938
01:33:57,692 --> 01:34:00,093
Speaker 7: Yeah, And oh sorry, I mean I share.

1939
01:34:00,333 --> 01:34:01,772
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous thing to say. I don't know if you

1940
01:34:01,812 --> 01:34:03,333
Speaker 2: want to agree with that, I can say that you

1941
01:34:03,652 --> 01:34:05,053
Speaker 2: you think that, Paige and I think that, and I

1942
01:34:05,093 --> 01:34:08,253
Speaker 2: think Tyler thinks that it's just just getting down to

1943
01:34:08,492 --> 01:34:11,013
Speaker 2: the you know, if you're you're a cafe and they

1944
01:34:11,133 --> 01:34:13,692
Speaker 2: come in and they say, look, you've got one hundred

1945
01:34:14,013 --> 01:34:18,532
Speaker 2: meters square here, you pay this amount of money. You know,

1946
01:34:18,812 --> 01:34:21,053
Speaker 2: that cafe maybe getting two people in a day and

1947
01:34:21,133 --> 01:34:23,053
Speaker 2: going bankrupt, and you can kind of see that why

1948
01:34:23,133 --> 01:34:25,692
Speaker 2: they feel a little bit set upon with this this

1949
01:34:26,093 --> 01:34:27,772
Speaker 2: fee that comes you know that.

1950
01:34:27,853 --> 01:34:30,293
Speaker 14: They have to pay, yeah, one hundred percent.

1951
01:34:30,412 --> 01:34:33,612
Speaker 19: But I think the question is, like we have to

1952
01:34:33,692 --> 01:34:38,572
Speaker 19: put some value on music, because I think music is

1953
01:34:38,652 --> 01:34:41,772
Speaker 19: something that has been like completely undervalued in the past,

1954
01:34:42,013 --> 01:34:45,652
Speaker 19: like you know, maybe ten years. And I can understand

1955
01:34:45,732 --> 01:34:48,772
Speaker 19: that it's a big fee to pay for a cafe,

1956
01:34:48,933 --> 01:34:50,893
Speaker 19: but I know the difference when I walk into a

1957
01:34:50,973 --> 01:34:54,653
Speaker 19: cafe that is silent versus a cafe that has an atmosphere,

1958
01:34:54,692 --> 01:34:58,372
Speaker 19: and I think it completely changes, Like you don't walk

1959
01:34:58,412 --> 01:35:02,213
Speaker 19: into a retail store in silence. It's like cranking music

1960
01:35:02,293 --> 01:35:07,052
Speaker 19: and it completely changes your experience. I think also like artists,

1961
01:35:07,253 --> 01:35:12,452
Speaker 19: you know, we we make I think to earn fifty

1962
01:35:12,812 --> 01:35:16,492
Speaker 19: thousand New Zealand dollars a year, you need seven point

1963
01:35:16,572 --> 01:35:19,052
Speaker 19: eight million streams per year.

1964
01:35:18,973 --> 01:35:20,293
Speaker 3: Which is a lot minimum wage.

1965
01:35:20,812 --> 01:35:25,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, just spotify before page and songs I've written have

1966
01:35:25,492 --> 01:35:27,973
Speaker 2: been played by five eight hundred people last month. And

1967
01:35:28,053 --> 01:35:30,412
Speaker 2: I look at my royalty statement it's zero points six

1968
01:35:30,612 --> 01:35:32,333
Speaker 2: nine cents, So it's not gad.

1969
01:35:32,372 --> 01:35:33,053
Speaker 3: I can't love on that.

1970
01:35:33,213 --> 01:35:33,692
Speaker 2: It's not great.

1971
01:35:33,853 --> 01:35:36,372
Speaker 3: That doesn't go far but away.

1972
01:35:37,812 --> 01:35:40,053
Speaker 2: But if I got to go back a step, you've

1973
01:35:40,093 --> 01:35:42,932
Speaker 2: gone platinum in Korea. I'm assuming that South Korea.

1974
01:35:44,093 --> 01:35:47,132
Speaker 19: Yeah, so we wouldn't know about I guess.

1975
01:35:47,853 --> 01:35:51,133
Speaker 3: That's that's two hundred and fifty thousand copies or one

1976
01:35:51,213 --> 01:35:52,612
Speaker 3: hundred million streams, is that right?

1977
01:35:53,893 --> 01:35:54,093
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1978
01:35:55,372 --> 01:35:59,013
Speaker 2: That is incredibly awesome. And you're not obviously sort of

1979
01:35:59,093 --> 01:36:01,572
Speaker 2: running a K pop sort of situation, are you. I

1980
01:36:01,652 --> 01:36:03,412
Speaker 2: don't I say it obviously because you don't seem to

1981
01:36:03,492 --> 01:36:07,812
Speaker 2: be like five dudes or five dancing ladies.

1982
01:36:08,933 --> 01:36:08,973
Speaker 15: No.

1983
01:36:09,293 --> 01:36:13,893
Speaker 19: No, it was a complete surprise, really, yeah, And I

1984
01:36:13,933 --> 01:36:15,692
Speaker 19: didn't mean to like toot my own horn, but I

1985
01:36:15,772 --> 01:36:21,612
Speaker 19: think quite passionate and I wouldn't usually call, like talk

1986
01:36:21,692 --> 01:36:24,213
Speaker 19: back to talk about this stuff, but it is something

1987
01:36:24,253 --> 01:36:25,372
Speaker 19: I'm really passionate.

1988
01:36:25,013 --> 01:36:25,652
Speaker 4: About, which is.

1989
01:36:28,013 --> 01:36:30,532
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you did and do you? And if

1990
01:36:30,572 --> 01:36:31,173
Speaker 2: you don't mind?

1991
01:36:31,532 --> 01:36:32,612
Speaker 6: So what what do you?

1992
01:36:33,652 --> 01:36:34,093
Speaker 5: What do you?

1993
01:36:34,452 --> 01:36:35,053
Speaker 2: What's your art?

1994
01:36:35,173 --> 01:36:35,213
Speaker 12: What?

1995
01:36:35,372 --> 01:36:37,732
Speaker 2: And what name do you go under as an artist?

1996
01:36:39,572 --> 01:36:42,652
Speaker 19: My name is Page, That's just my artist name. I

1997
01:36:42,772 --> 01:36:47,372
Speaker 19: had a song that reached number one airplay or top

1998
01:36:47,452 --> 01:36:51,172
Speaker 19: ten airplay in New Zealand twenty, which was called Waves.

1999
01:36:57,293 --> 01:36:58,612
Speaker 2: How cool it's wicked.

2000
01:36:58,812 --> 01:37:01,732
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, it's cool. But it's also cooler when we

2001
01:37:01,933 --> 01:37:06,572
Speaker 19: can not have to work stage, and you know, there's

2002
01:37:06,572 --> 01:37:08,053
Speaker 19: a lot of us that do have to work for

2003
01:37:08,853 --> 01:37:12,013
Speaker 19: because we are being undervalued, especially local. And I just

2004
01:37:12,173 --> 01:37:15,533
Speaker 19: also want to say that a lot of the licensed

2005
01:37:15,772 --> 01:37:20,652
Speaker 19: playlists in New Zealand really represent local music a lot.

2006
01:37:20,772 --> 01:37:23,572
Speaker 19: Like the songs you're hearing Countdown and the Warehouse, like

2007
01:37:24,253 --> 01:37:28,173
Speaker 19: those types of places, they're very much local. So yeah,

2008
01:37:28,612 --> 01:37:30,333
Speaker 19: you know, I think it's a great thing too.

2009
01:37:30,933 --> 01:37:32,772
Speaker 2: It's so cool that you rang in. I really really

2010
01:37:32,812 --> 01:37:34,852
Speaker 2: really appreciate it because you know, you're right right in

2011
01:37:34,933 --> 01:37:37,172
Speaker 2: the thick of it, and so that's that's that's awesome.

2012
01:37:37,732 --> 01:37:39,572
Speaker 2: I've got a question for you, which is slightly off

2013
01:37:40,893 --> 01:37:43,532
Speaker 2: off off piece from what we're talking about. You know,

2014
01:37:43,612 --> 01:37:46,412
Speaker 2: whenever you ring up, when you ring up any kind

2015
01:37:46,412 --> 01:37:50,412
Speaker 2: of New Zealand company, they play New Zealand music, yep

2016
01:37:50,893 --> 01:37:53,213
Speaker 2: and and so, and it's always bit growing all right.

2017
01:37:53,853 --> 01:37:56,532
Speaker 2: And so I was at this concert with my son

2018
01:37:57,213 --> 01:37:59,932
Speaker 2: and he was going hold music when he heard Growing

2019
01:37:59,973 --> 01:38:00,973
Speaker 2: Up playing, and.

2020
01:38:02,812 --> 01:38:03,372
Speaker 3: How he knows it.

2021
01:38:03,492 --> 01:38:07,412
Speaker 2: It's an interesting thing where you were I mean they'd

2022
01:38:07,412 --> 01:38:09,213
Speaker 2: beginning a royalty for that, thoy, wouldn't.

2023
01:38:08,853 --> 01:38:13,052
Speaker 19: They page, Yeah, that's another that would be under a license.

2024
01:38:13,333 --> 01:38:14,972
Speaker 4: Yeah, playlist.

2025
01:38:15,013 --> 01:38:16,612
Speaker 19: I mean, I don't know if that's true, but I'm

2026
01:38:16,612 --> 01:38:19,013
Speaker 19: assuming it is because of the amount of local.

2027
01:38:18,853 --> 01:38:19,732
Speaker 14: Music that's on there.

2028
01:38:20,173 --> 01:38:23,492
Speaker 19: Yeah, because my music players on, like I'm hold music now.

2029
01:38:24,372 --> 01:38:26,452
Speaker 2: Korea, You've made it. Yeah, that's all.

2030
01:38:27,692 --> 01:38:29,893
Speaker 19: I've made it. But but I do you know, I

2031
01:38:30,013 --> 01:38:33,012
Speaker 19: can't speak facts because I don't know if that's true,

2032
01:38:33,093 --> 01:38:34,253
Speaker 19: but I'm assuming it is.

2033
01:38:34,652 --> 01:38:34,852
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2034
01:38:35,532 --> 01:38:38,133
Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you so much for calling, and

2035
01:38:38,253 --> 01:38:41,492
Speaker 2: we really appreciate appreciate that and congratulations on your success.

2036
01:38:42,372 --> 01:38:42,652
Speaker 4: Thank you.

2037
01:38:42,933 --> 01:38:46,053
Speaker 19: Thanks for them. Like I love this conversation around like

2038
01:38:46,652 --> 01:38:49,173
Speaker 19: royalties and stuff as well. I think more people need

2039
01:38:49,253 --> 01:38:49,492
Speaker 19: to be.

2040
01:38:50,293 --> 01:38:51,732
Speaker 2: Educated complish around it.

2041
01:38:52,053 --> 01:38:54,412
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, at the part, especially for business owners.

2042
01:38:54,572 --> 01:38:57,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thank you very much, Paige. What a great caller.

2043
01:38:57,492 --> 01:38:59,452
Speaker 3: Beg very shortly it there's the past three.

2044
01:39:03,412 --> 01:39:06,732
Speaker 1: Matd Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

2045
01:39:06,853 --> 01:39:08,852
Speaker 1: eighty eighty on youth Talk said.

2046
01:39:08,692 --> 01:39:11,213
Speaker 3: The twenty eight to two four. We're talking about music

2047
01:39:11,333 --> 01:39:14,173
Speaker 3: licenses for businesses. If you're a musician, love to hear

2048
01:39:14,213 --> 01:39:17,253
Speaker 3: from you. You heard from Page before, who's gone superstardom

2049
01:39:17,293 --> 01:39:20,013
Speaker 3: in Korea over one hundred million plays on her song.

2050
01:39:20,093 --> 01:39:22,173
Speaker 2: Wave still has to work a full time job here,

2051
01:39:22,213 --> 01:39:24,412
Speaker 2: and you see it. Yeah, music creates an emtosphere for

2052
01:39:24,492 --> 01:39:26,772
Speaker 2: your business, like decore, would you expect to get your

2053
01:39:26,853 --> 01:39:29,652
Speaker 2: paint for free if you wanted to upgrade your business design.

2054
01:39:30,532 --> 01:39:32,013
Speaker 2: I'm trying to work with that. I'm trying to just

2055
01:39:32,093 --> 01:39:34,772
Speaker 2: work out if that metaphor works. I do get that.

2056
01:39:35,013 --> 01:39:36,812
Speaker 2: And what Page was saying before, you know, if you

2057
01:39:37,013 --> 01:39:39,053
Speaker 2: work walking to somewhere and there's no music at all,

2058
01:39:39,572 --> 01:39:44,213
Speaker 2: it's a very strange environment. Yeah, so if you need music,

2059
01:39:44,692 --> 01:39:47,372
Speaker 2: then you need to pay someone that creates that music.

2060
01:39:47,492 --> 01:39:48,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're getting a benefit from it.

2061
01:39:48,893 --> 01:39:53,253
Speaker 2: Seems only fair. AI created music. I mean, you know

2062
01:39:53,492 --> 01:39:55,612
Speaker 2: AI slop playing in the background. Would that be the

2063
01:39:55,652 --> 01:39:57,333
Speaker 2: same thing? And I think we kind of get that

2064
01:39:57,412 --> 01:40:00,053
Speaker 2: in a lot of restaurants. You get on a more

2065
01:40:00,053 --> 01:40:02,133
Speaker 2: and more imagine it's AI slot, but you just get

2066
01:40:02,213 --> 01:40:05,612
Speaker 2: the most generic, horrible sort of nothing music playing in

2067
01:40:05,652 --> 01:40:07,652
Speaker 2: the background because you know, people don't want to pay

2068
01:40:07,692 --> 01:40:08,852
Speaker 2: for the great stuff. I guess.

2069
01:40:09,013 --> 01:40:11,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, But just going to what Paige was saying and

2070
01:40:11,572 --> 01:40:13,812
Speaker 3: you mentioned Taylor Swift, and obviously they can track that

2071
01:40:13,933 --> 01:40:17,053
Speaker 3: with the radio play and the streams. What I just

2072
01:40:17,133 --> 01:40:20,492
Speaker 3: worry about with this model is that you actually miss

2073
01:40:20,572 --> 01:40:22,173
Speaker 3: the people that need to get paid. You miss the

2074
01:40:22,213 --> 01:40:25,333
Speaker 3: pages or the up and comers who some cafes might

2075
01:40:25,412 --> 01:40:27,972
Speaker 3: be playing, but it doesn't get registered by one Music

2076
01:40:28,053 --> 01:40:30,372
Speaker 3: in z because are the guys that actually need the money.

2077
01:40:30,812 --> 01:40:33,053
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift, she deserves all the money she gets. She's

2078
01:40:33,093 --> 01:40:35,973
Speaker 3: been very successful, but she's okay. So they but they

2079
01:40:36,053 --> 01:40:39,092
Speaker 3: pick up the Taylor Swift streams, but what they're missing

2080
01:40:39,173 --> 01:40:42,772
Speaker 3: here is the independent cafe streams and the hospitality who

2081
01:40:42,893 --> 01:40:46,133
Speaker 3: might be actually playing New Zealand music that doesn't get

2082
01:40:46,173 --> 01:40:47,013
Speaker 3: airplay anywhere else.

2083
01:40:47,213 --> 01:40:49,732
Speaker 2: But Page are saying that you have to with your license,

2084
01:40:49,933 --> 01:40:54,532
Speaker 2: which seems a bit draconian play approved playlists right hand

2085
01:40:54,612 --> 01:40:57,852
Speaker 2: in Yeah, she did say that, which is horrible because

2086
01:40:57,893 --> 01:41:00,293
Speaker 2: and then then you know, like, how are you going

2087
01:41:00,333 --> 01:41:02,133
Speaker 2: to get onto one of those playlists? Yeah, you know,

2088
01:41:02,333 --> 01:41:04,772
Speaker 2: it's once again I'm a impended arster. But I guess

2089
01:41:04,853 --> 01:41:06,333
Speaker 2: with what you're saying is that we shouldn't send the

2090
01:41:06,333 --> 01:41:07,812
Speaker 2: money to Taylor Swift. We should keep it all for

2091
01:41:07,893 --> 01:41:11,293
Speaker 2: our artists right. Yeah, But then the American version of

2092
01:41:11,293 --> 01:41:13,213
Speaker 2: APRAH would say, well, we're going to keep all that

2093
01:41:13,372 --> 01:41:16,652
Speaker 2: money from Crowded House Neil Finn being played over there

2094
01:41:16,692 --> 01:41:17,892
Speaker 2: and not send it back to New Zealand.

2095
01:41:17,933 --> 01:41:19,692
Speaker 3: Right, very true. All Korea says we're going to keep

2096
01:41:19,692 --> 01:41:20,372
Speaker 3: the pages money.

2097
01:41:20,652 --> 01:41:20,852
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2098
01:41:21,293 --> 01:41:24,812
Speaker 2: So basically APRA in the hope of paying a little

2099
01:41:24,812 --> 01:41:26,772
Speaker 2: bit of money to New Zealand artists, is just mind

2100
01:41:26,812 --> 01:41:29,452
Speaker 2: sweeping the country for Taylor Swift. Is that what you're suggesting? Yeah,

2101
01:41:29,532 --> 01:41:31,772
Speaker 2: it feels like it, because that's the thing is we

2102
01:41:31,853 --> 01:41:35,612
Speaker 2: play a whole lot more New Zealand, American and British

2103
01:41:35,732 --> 01:41:39,692
Speaker 2: music in New Zealand, then they play New Zealand music overseas.

2104
01:41:39,812 --> 01:41:42,293
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. But what do you say, Oh, one hundred

2105
01:41:42,293 --> 01:41:44,093
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nine

2106
01:41:44,133 --> 01:41:46,812
Speaker 3: to nine two? Is the text headlines with Raylene coming up?

2107
01:41:48,293 --> 01:41:51,132
Speaker 7: You's talk said be headlines with blue bubble?

2108
01:41:51,213 --> 01:41:54,053
Speaker 15: Text is it's no trouble with a blue bubble. The

2109
01:41:54,173 --> 01:41:57,853
Speaker 15: Prime Minister says, Nails the time for unity and supporting

2110
01:41:57,933 --> 01:42:01,612
Speaker 15: each other as work continues to recover those missing since

2111
01:42:01,732 --> 01:42:06,012
Speaker 15: last week's landslide disaster at Mark Manganui. Chris Lukson says

2112
01:42:06,093 --> 01:42:10,812
Speaker 15: he's a were speculative misinformation spread that recent tree removal

2113
01:42:10,893 --> 01:42:14,053
Speaker 15: could have contributed, but people should keep it to themselves.

2114
01:42:15,093 --> 01:42:18,372
Speaker 15: To Palti Mardi's launch to policy aiming to replace prisons

2115
01:42:18,452 --> 01:42:22,412
Speaker 15: with community led solutions by twenty forty, saying we need

2116
01:42:22,492 --> 01:42:26,293
Speaker 15: to invest in healing, not punishment. It would also close

2117
01:42:26,412 --> 01:42:30,293
Speaker 15: youth residences in military style boot camps and establish an

2118
01:42:30,333 --> 01:42:35,652
Speaker 15: independent Mardi Justice Authority. Emergency services are cleaning up human

2119
01:42:35,772 --> 01:42:38,893
Speaker 15: waste spilled out of a rolled truckload of portloos on

2120
01:42:38,973 --> 01:42:42,612
Speaker 15: State Highway one north of Tamadu, but it's not as

2121
01:42:42,772 --> 01:42:46,213
Speaker 15: bad as first announced fire. An emergency says about five

2122
01:42:46,333 --> 01:42:50,372
Speaker 15: hundred liters of excrement leaked out near Arundel Bellfield Road.

2123
01:42:50,812 --> 01:42:53,772
Speaker 15: It was earlier reported to be about three thousand liters.

2124
01:42:54,812 --> 01:42:58,892
Speaker 15: Art Corps founder on moving Picasso and priceless arts safely

2125
01:42:59,133 --> 01:43:02,852
Speaker 15: in Auckland. You can see more at Zidherrald Premium. Back

2126
01:43:02,893 --> 01:43:04,613
Speaker 15: to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

2127
01:43:04,412 --> 01:43:06,333
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Ray Lean. So we're talking about

2128
01:43:06,412 --> 01:43:09,852
Speaker 3: music licensing in the ins and out of royalties. This

2129
01:43:10,013 --> 01:43:13,212
Speaker 3: is one music end z who collects these on behalf

2130
01:43:13,372 --> 01:43:16,133
Speaker 3: of artists. So if you run a business, what has

2131
01:43:16,173 --> 01:43:18,452
Speaker 3: been your response when one music in z has got

2132
01:43:18,492 --> 01:43:19,812
Speaker 3: in touch on one hundred and eighteen eighty.

2133
01:43:20,013 --> 01:43:22,572
Speaker 2: Jake puts back on, pushes back on that metaphor that

2134
01:43:22,812 --> 01:43:26,173
Speaker 2: paint in a cafe creates ambiance. So would you expect

2135
01:43:26,213 --> 01:43:28,652
Speaker 2: to get your paint for free? Yep, Jake goes, And

2136
01:43:28,692 --> 01:43:30,612
Speaker 2: I was trying to work out whether that metaphor was

2137
01:43:30,772 --> 01:43:33,293
Speaker 2: meaningful or not or added anything to the discussion. I

2138
01:43:33,372 --> 01:43:35,893
Speaker 2: wasn't quite sure. Jake pushes back, says, guys, no, you

2139
01:43:36,013 --> 01:43:38,172
Speaker 2: don't get your paint for free, but once you've painted

2140
01:43:38,213 --> 01:43:40,772
Speaker 2: your presences, you don't continue to pay over and over

2141
01:43:40,853 --> 01:43:43,652
Speaker 2: again for the same paint. A Jake, but I guess

2142
01:43:43,692 --> 01:43:45,692
Speaker 2: what you'd say if you're going to move this tortured

2143
01:43:45,772 --> 01:43:51,293
Speaker 2: metaphor forward, if you were continuing continually repainting like you,

2144
01:43:51,612 --> 01:43:54,972
Speaker 2: if you consider every new song was a repainting, then

2145
01:43:55,253 --> 01:43:59,452
Speaker 2: potentially that makes that you would paint. There's a lot

2146
01:43:59,492 --> 01:44:01,812
Speaker 2: of painting going on in these businesses. Hey, So as

2147
01:44:01,973 --> 01:44:05,532
Speaker 2: talking before about how so you know one music Opra

2148
01:44:05,772 --> 01:44:08,732
Speaker 2: and m cost comes together and they collect money in

2149
01:44:08,812 --> 01:44:12,412
Speaker 2: New Zealand, they collect money. If New Zealand artists that

2150
01:44:12,452 --> 01:44:16,452
Speaker 2: assigned to APRA or Australian artists have their music player overseas. Yes,

2151
01:44:16,532 --> 01:44:19,852
Speaker 2: they collect it, say in Page's case, from Korea, yep,

2152
01:44:20,013 --> 01:44:20,812
Speaker 2: and bring it back here.

2153
01:44:20,933 --> 01:44:21,532
Speaker 3: Yes yep.

2154
01:44:22,093 --> 01:44:25,732
Speaker 2: And so if Taylor Swift is paid here, APRA collects

2155
01:44:25,732 --> 01:44:27,612
Speaker 2: in New Zealand and pays it to the American equivalent.

2156
01:44:27,732 --> 01:44:28,133
Speaker 3: Quite right.

2157
01:44:28,213 --> 01:44:29,772
Speaker 2: Can I just say that my band is pulling some

2158
01:44:29,933 --> 01:44:32,692
Speaker 2: back out of America. I'm just going through my royalty

2159
01:44:32,692 --> 01:44:33,892
Speaker 2: statement for November yep.

2160
01:44:33,973 --> 01:44:36,412
Speaker 3: So you're balancing the sheet here, yep. And so my

2161
01:44:36,612 --> 01:44:37,772
Speaker 3: compositions yep.

2162
01:44:37,933 --> 01:44:41,252
Speaker 2: Bought zero point zero five of aer cent back across

2163
01:44:42,173 --> 01:44:44,293
Speaker 2: from America to New Zealand.

2164
01:44:44,412 --> 01:44:45,333
Speaker 3: Not bad, not bad.

2165
01:44:45,452 --> 01:44:48,452
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the balance of payments deficits on

2166
01:44:48,532 --> 01:44:51,452
Speaker 2: that between Taylor Swift and I. I think it's probably

2167
01:44:51,452 --> 01:44:53,852
Speaker 2: heavily in her favor. I'll just do I'll crunch the

2168
01:44:53,933 --> 01:44:54,293
Speaker 2: numbers on.

2169
01:44:54,333 --> 01:44:54,732
Speaker 12: That, yep.

2170
01:44:55,053 --> 01:44:56,772
Speaker 3: I imagine, yeah, I meagine. The golf's pretty wide. But

2171
01:44:56,772 --> 01:44:58,852
Speaker 3: at least you're doing something, mate, Thank you. One hundred

2172
01:44:58,853 --> 01:44:59,812
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty's number.

2173
01:44:59,853 --> 01:45:01,213
Speaker 2: The sticks are set. I've just had to pay my

2174
01:45:01,452 --> 01:45:04,612
Speaker 2: license with APRA for my business and I just have

2175
01:45:04,772 --> 01:45:06,812
Speaker 2: the radio playing from my perspective, I have no idea

2176
01:45:06,893 --> 01:45:08,612
Speaker 2: how the money I pay would end up going to

2177
01:45:08,652 --> 01:45:10,772
Speaker 2: the artists on the radio when EPER don't know what

2178
01:45:10,973 --> 01:45:15,532
Speaker 2: stations I'm playing. Yes, So I imagine what they do

2179
01:45:15,772 --> 01:45:19,452
Speaker 2: is radio stations have to share their playlist. Radio stations

2180
01:45:19,492 --> 01:45:21,333
Speaker 2: play a huge amount of money to EPRA for the

2181
01:45:21,412 --> 01:45:23,812
Speaker 2: right to play music YEP, which is then divv up

2182
01:45:23,853 --> 01:45:28,492
Speaker 2: with the artists across the playlist. Yes, and then there

2183
01:45:28,572 --> 01:45:30,692
Speaker 2: is a I assume this is I'm just assuming here

2184
01:45:31,013 --> 01:45:33,572
Speaker 2: there's a radio survey that goes out across the country

2185
01:45:34,133 --> 01:45:36,812
Speaker 2: and it works out how many people are listening to

2186
01:45:36,853 --> 01:45:40,933
Speaker 2: each individual radio station, Newstalk ZB being by far the biggest, Right.

2187
01:45:42,213 --> 01:45:46,013
Speaker 2: Then that would be going to their equation on how

2188
01:45:46,133 --> 01:45:49,652
Speaker 2: much radio is you know, how much you know, so

2189
01:45:49,772 --> 01:45:52,333
Speaker 2: the playlist meets the size of the radio station, there'd

2190
01:45:52,333 --> 01:45:54,012
Speaker 2: be an equation that they work out around.

2191
01:45:54,053 --> 01:45:56,612
Speaker 3: The total radio listenership across all of them. They break

2192
01:45:56,692 --> 01:45:58,333
Speaker 3: that down. Yeah, I think that's the only way you

2193
01:45:58,372 --> 01:45:58,652
Speaker 3: could do it.

2194
01:45:58,732 --> 01:46:00,732
Speaker 2: But it's never going to be anywhere near perfect obviously,

2195
01:46:00,893 --> 01:46:04,173
Speaker 2: because you know the station's playing a you know, this

2196
01:46:04,293 --> 01:46:07,532
Speaker 2: cafe is playing a license fee. It doesn't differentiate what

2197
01:46:07,572 --> 01:46:09,893
Speaker 2: you're going to play except for between live music and

2198
01:46:09,933 --> 01:46:13,372
Speaker 2: background music, and so you know how I guess they

2199
01:46:13,372 --> 01:46:15,213
Speaker 2: could do surveys how many people have the radio on

2200
01:46:15,372 --> 01:46:18,772
Speaker 2: and how many people are playing music off playlists and

2201
01:46:19,572 --> 01:46:20,732
Speaker 2: so incredibly complicated.

2202
01:46:20,772 --> 01:46:24,052
Speaker 3: It's very complicated. Ross, how are you this afternoon?

2203
01:46:24,572 --> 01:46:28,253
Speaker 6: You get a guys, interesting thing here as a tool

2204
01:46:28,333 --> 01:46:29,652
Speaker 6: driver in the past.

2205
01:46:31,253 --> 01:46:32,052
Speaker 12: And maybe in the future.

2206
01:46:32,213 --> 01:46:32,492
Speaker 2: Never know.

2207
01:46:33,732 --> 01:46:37,133
Speaker 5: You don't do commentaries all through the day, right, you

2208
01:46:37,293 --> 01:46:39,133
Speaker 5: do a commentary, then you take a break and you

2209
01:46:39,213 --> 01:46:41,692
Speaker 5: might put a CD on or something just going through

2210
01:46:42,173 --> 01:46:43,333
Speaker 5: somebody like the Linda's you know.

2211
01:46:43,532 --> 01:46:45,572
Speaker 6: Just different things. Yep.

2212
01:46:46,093 --> 01:46:49,973
Speaker 5: And we got a letter from some buggers saying, oh,

2213
01:46:50,333 --> 01:46:51,972
Speaker 5: if you're playing music, you've got to pay.

2214
01:46:53,452 --> 01:46:55,892
Speaker 3: Right. I suppose it's the same situation as a cafe

2215
01:46:55,933 --> 01:46:56,893
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, isn't it.

2216
01:46:56,933 --> 01:46:59,812
Speaker 5: Well, here are going to measure? Here're you going to

2217
01:46:59,853 --> 01:47:02,692
Speaker 5: measure a vehicle? Well, well I suppose you can.

2218
01:47:03,812 --> 01:47:06,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, an interesting one. I'll look I'll look it up.

2219
01:47:06,333 --> 01:47:07,973
Speaker 2: I'll look up how they do how they do a

2220
01:47:09,013 --> 01:47:09,532
Speaker 2: a vehicle?

2221
01:47:11,692 --> 01:47:13,692
Speaker 3: Just out of interest, Ross, what sort of CDs would

2222
01:47:13,692 --> 01:47:14,253
Speaker 3: you be playing?

2223
01:47:14,293 --> 01:47:14,492
Speaker 12: Are you?

2224
01:47:15,133 --> 01:47:16,692
Speaker 3: Are you playing a bit of pop in there? Or

2225
01:47:16,692 --> 01:47:17,852
Speaker 3: you're putting on a bit of it.

2226
01:47:19,893 --> 01:47:23,653
Speaker 5: Probably not him, but it depends on on the clientele,

2227
01:47:23,732 --> 01:47:28,293
Speaker 5: you know, if they're there some Asian countries, A lot

2228
01:47:28,333 --> 01:47:32,093
Speaker 5: of Asian countries like Keny g for example, they love

2229
01:47:32,213 --> 01:47:40,932
Speaker 5: Keny who doesn't well, probably something. And there's others who

2230
01:47:40,973 --> 01:47:43,652
Speaker 5: are like Slim Dusty, you know, and there's others that

2231
01:47:43,692 --> 01:47:46,093
Speaker 5: were like the Beatles. So you know you got to

2232
01:47:46,093 --> 01:47:47,132
Speaker 5: play it by yeah.

2233
01:47:47,133 --> 01:47:51,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Okay, So I've looked up ross at the

2234
01:47:51,933 --> 01:47:55,453
Speaker 2: one Music site to get a quote of industry transport

2235
01:47:55,772 --> 01:48:01,612
Speaker 2: business type bus, coach and and how many vehicles you operate,

2236
01:48:01,692 --> 01:48:03,852
Speaker 2: so that they do it by vehicle. If so, I

2237
01:48:03,893 --> 01:48:05,932
Speaker 2: guess they've decided that a bust or coach is roughly

2238
01:48:05,973 --> 01:48:09,012
Speaker 2: the same size. I mean there's many buses take yeah,

2239
01:48:09,013 --> 01:48:12,053
Speaker 2: but it's not widely different. And also you know what

2240
01:48:12,532 --> 01:48:15,532
Speaker 2: different and popularity between a tour bus. I guess as well,

2241
01:48:15,893 --> 01:48:21,973
Speaker 2: So fine might cover so fifty eight so brands a

2242
01:48:22,053 --> 01:48:25,253
Speaker 2: school bus or tour bus forty nine dollars eighty one

2243
01:48:25,293 --> 01:48:28,412
Speaker 2: per month, and if you're a part bus though or

2244
01:48:28,612 --> 01:48:32,653
Speaker 2: party bus, that's a whole ten dollars more fifty eight seventy.

2245
01:48:32,372 --> 01:48:35,213
Speaker 3: Eight as it should. Yeah, they're playing some punished music

2246
01:48:35,293 --> 01:48:36,052
Speaker 3: on those party buses.

2247
01:48:36,732 --> 01:48:40,652
Speaker 5: Did you say transit, Uh, that's a company that is

2248
01:48:40,692 --> 01:48:41,132
Speaker 5: a company?

2249
01:48:41,492 --> 01:48:45,093
Speaker 2: Oh oh transit or tour bus, is it?

2250
01:48:45,412 --> 01:48:49,532
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's a company you're using. Yeah right, okay, yeah,

2251
01:48:49,853 --> 01:48:50,692
Speaker 5: Northbolgn company.

2252
01:48:50,893 --> 01:48:54,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that's Transit. So transit is with a

2253
01:48:54,293 --> 01:48:57,732
Speaker 2: Z the company, but transit transit is a type of bus.

2254
01:48:57,853 --> 01:49:00,732
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, oh yeahs a Ford transit yeah yeah, yeah,

2255
01:49:01,053 --> 01:49:03,173
Speaker 5: it's a little about twelve seater.

2256
01:49:03,412 --> 01:49:06,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that they don't actually differentiate between the twelfth

2257
01:49:06,093 --> 01:49:09,132
Speaker 2: seedar and the you know, the full the full fifty

2258
01:49:09,173 --> 01:49:13,013
Speaker 2: see a bus. All right, good, thank you so much.

2259
01:49:13,093 --> 01:49:15,932
Speaker 3: Right, good to clarify that interesting text. Here, get a guys,

2260
01:49:15,973 --> 01:49:18,772
Speaker 3: I play zibe talkback at my cellar door. I don't

2261
01:49:18,812 --> 01:49:21,492
Speaker 3: have to pay for you to gumboats, do I from Matto?

2262
01:49:23,013 --> 01:49:25,293
Speaker 2: See as he called us gunboats again, Yeah.

2263
01:49:25,173 --> 01:49:27,333
Speaker 3: So it is gum gumboats. I thought it was gum boots.

2264
01:49:27,492 --> 01:49:29,333
Speaker 2: Yeah. For the longest time I thought that guy was

2265
01:49:29,333 --> 01:49:30,372
Speaker 2: called us gun boots. Yeah.

2266
01:49:30,372 --> 01:49:31,413
Speaker 3: I kind of like gumboats.

2267
01:49:31,612 --> 01:49:33,732
Speaker 2: But gunboat is a compliment, isn't it.

2268
01:49:33,853 --> 01:49:34,452
Speaker 3: That's what I thought.

2269
01:49:34,492 --> 01:49:36,092
Speaker 2: I'd take gum boot as an insult.

2270
01:49:36,173 --> 01:49:38,092
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at that gunboat over there. He's a legend

2271
01:49:38,253 --> 01:49:39,452
Speaker 3: old old gunboat over there.

2272
01:49:39,532 --> 01:49:42,932
Speaker 2: But I'll take a I take a gunboat. Is it compliment?

2273
01:49:43,133 --> 01:49:43,333
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2274
01:49:43,572 --> 01:49:48,013
Speaker 2: So I made six Actually I've sold myself short. I

2275
01:49:48,133 --> 01:49:52,652
Speaker 2: made sixteen dollars and sixty seven cents last month from

2276
01:49:52,732 --> 01:49:54,653
Speaker 2: my song beers internationally.

2277
01:49:54,812 --> 01:49:57,133
Speaker 3: Well that's not bad. That's half a peck of sigis.

2278
01:49:56,853 --> 01:49:57,972
Speaker 2: Sixteen sixty seven?

2279
01:49:58,013 --> 01:49:59,732
Speaker 3: How many bears could you buy with sixteen bucks?

2280
01:50:00,893 --> 01:50:01,412
Speaker 2: That's good point.

2281
01:50:01,492 --> 01:50:04,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's half a doze. Oh, one hundred and eighty

2282
01:50:04,213 --> 01:50:06,213
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call back very shortly.

2283
01:50:06,253 --> 01:50:07,333
Speaker 3: It is quarter to four.

2284
01:50:08,412 --> 01:50:10,732
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

2285
01:50:10,812 --> 01:50:14,692
Speaker 1: along the way, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

2286
01:50:14,732 --> 01:50:17,892
Speaker 3: They'd be afternoon to you. It's twelve to four. We've

2287
01:50:17,973 --> 01:50:20,733
Speaker 3: been talking about music licenses of your run a business?

2288
01:50:21,133 --> 01:50:23,892
Speaker 3: How complicated is it for you? And do you worry

2289
01:50:23,933 --> 01:50:25,532
Speaker 3: about where that money is going to? Is it going

2290
01:50:25,572 --> 01:50:27,452
Speaker 3: through the artist? Are going to the artist? You're playing

2291
01:50:27,732 --> 01:50:34,012
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty Tim, you run a gym? Yeah,

2292
01:50:34,133 --> 01:50:37,932
Speaker 3: hey guys, I do this so obviously this would affect

2293
01:50:37,973 --> 01:50:38,492
Speaker 3: you quite a bit.

2294
01:50:39,412 --> 01:50:43,812
Speaker 9: Yeah, we're part of the franchise. That franchise has in Auckland,

2295
01:50:44,253 --> 01:50:48,972
Speaker 9: I think fifty two gym's alone, and they're all around

2296
01:50:49,372 --> 01:50:50,852
Speaker 9: the rest of the country and Aussie and all that

2297
01:50:50,973 --> 01:50:55,532
Speaker 9: as well. Right one Music they ping us. They do

2298
01:50:55,933 --> 01:50:58,852
Speaker 9: a convoluted sort of a mix between classes, run and

2299
01:50:59,213 --> 01:51:04,372
Speaker 9: number of members. The very very arrogant to deal with.

2300
01:51:04,452 --> 01:51:07,412
Speaker 9: If you question the bill, as I did a couple

2301
01:51:07,452 --> 01:51:11,173
Speaker 9: of years ago, they basically tell you just shut up

2302
01:51:11,213 --> 01:51:13,852
Speaker 9: and pay, and turned out I'd overpaid by over one

2303
01:51:13,893 --> 01:51:16,972
Speaker 9: thousand dollars, so I did get a refunded but no apology.

2304
01:51:19,053 --> 01:51:22,293
Speaker 9: But just probably the main concern for Jim And is

2305
01:51:22,333 --> 01:51:26,532
Speaker 9: like myself, we paid just short of seven thousand dollars

2306
01:51:26,572 --> 01:51:29,293
Speaker 9: a year when they finished their calculations to one.

2307
01:51:29,293 --> 01:51:33,012
Speaker 2: Music and across all those gyms or for one.

2308
01:51:32,933 --> 01:51:37,732
Speaker 9: Gym that's just our gym. Wow, Yeah, it's very pricey now,

2309
01:51:38,013 --> 01:51:40,452
Speaker 9: don't get me wrong. Music is a huge part of

2310
01:51:40,532 --> 01:51:44,293
Speaker 9: our business. It creates the vibe that you need. Couldn't

2311
01:51:44,293 --> 01:51:46,812
Speaker 9: do without it, and definitely want to see the artists

2312
01:51:46,853 --> 01:51:49,972
Speaker 9: get recognized for their work. Like I say, without them,

2313
01:51:50,053 --> 01:51:53,412
Speaker 9: it'd be a pretty boring gym. But I think we

2314
01:51:53,612 --> 01:51:55,652
Speaker 9: just get hit a little too hard. When you hear

2315
01:51:55,893 --> 01:51:58,452
Speaker 9: the likes of the supermarkets. I think someone was saying,

2316
01:51:59,093 --> 01:52:00,452
Speaker 9: pay a couple of hundred dollars a month.

2317
01:52:01,612 --> 01:52:03,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I just I just I just plug

2318
01:52:03,372 --> 01:52:07,812
Speaker 2: that into the one music page per per per Yeah.

2319
01:52:08,572 --> 01:52:11,293
Speaker 9: I'm only guessing picking the supermarkets make a little more

2320
01:52:11,333 --> 01:52:11,692
Speaker 9: than we do.

2321
01:52:12,333 --> 01:52:14,612
Speaker 2: Do you think that maybe that the logic that they

2322
01:52:14,692 --> 01:52:16,652
Speaker 2: have there is a a gym? As you say, the

2323
01:52:16,772 --> 01:52:18,772
Speaker 2: music is so important, you know, and I go to

2324
01:52:18,853 --> 01:52:22,253
Speaker 2: my spin class, the you know, the the beats per

2325
01:52:22,293 --> 01:52:24,572
Speaker 2: minute are key, and when I lock into the beats

2326
01:52:24,572 --> 01:52:28,093
Speaker 2: per minute and it feels so good, get a lot

2327
01:52:28,093 --> 01:52:30,013
Speaker 2: of better. So you know, it's like a DJA. It's

2328
01:52:30,053 --> 01:52:33,133
Speaker 2: in your face more than some sort of punishing song,

2329
01:52:33,532 --> 01:52:37,133
Speaker 2: easy listening songs background at a at a supermarket.

2330
01:52:37,293 --> 01:52:39,213
Speaker 9: And nothing worse than when you've got a high paced

2331
01:52:39,253 --> 01:52:41,412
Speaker 9: class the playlist that's meant to be one fifty two

2332
01:52:41,452 --> 01:52:44,812
Speaker 9: beats plus song. If everyone just sort of looks around

2333
01:52:44,812 --> 01:52:50,093
Speaker 9: at what for us? We also have to as a

2334
01:52:50,173 --> 01:52:54,492
Speaker 9: franchise choose a music provider that supplies our playlists, and

2335
01:52:54,572 --> 01:52:57,612
Speaker 9: they go about looks to choose from. They're all priced

2336
01:52:57,652 --> 01:53:00,932
Speaker 9: the same, funnily enough, so that's another two hundred bucks

2337
01:53:00,973 --> 01:53:03,372
Speaker 9: a month, So there's two and a half grand a year,

2338
01:53:03,452 --> 01:53:06,692
Speaker 9: So we're basically paying nearly ten grand a year to

2339
01:53:06,812 --> 01:53:09,972
Speaker 9: have music in our gym would have got one hundred

2340
01:53:09,973 --> 01:53:12,893
Speaker 9: and eighty recurring members with about another fifty floating on

2341
01:53:12,973 --> 01:53:16,852
Speaker 9: different memberships and trials and what have you. So I'm

2342
01:53:16,893 --> 01:53:19,372
Speaker 9: just thinking maybe it could be a little more yeah,

2343
01:53:20,412 --> 01:53:23,972
Speaker 9: priced at what is the actual company making a year

2344
01:53:24,452 --> 01:53:27,093
Speaker 9: it's rather than just throwing a blanket over it or something.

2345
01:53:27,532 --> 01:53:32,293
Speaker 2: Now I've heard that some gyms will re record music

2346
01:53:32,412 --> 01:53:34,652
Speaker 2: so it sounds a lot like the music they're playing,

2347
01:53:34,692 --> 01:53:37,372
Speaker 2: So they're only paying half the royalty? Is that correct?

2348
01:53:37,372 --> 01:53:38,133
Speaker 2: Am I getting this right?

2349
01:53:38,213 --> 01:53:40,852
Speaker 9: So so I'll be looking into the ha for sure.

2350
01:53:41,372 --> 01:53:41,852
Speaker 6: So it's.

2351
01:53:43,532 --> 01:53:46,612
Speaker 2: Because you know, there's the songwriting royalty and then there's

2352
01:53:46,812 --> 01:53:49,892
Speaker 2: the recording royalty. So if you re record the music

2353
01:53:49,973 --> 01:53:52,293
Speaker 2: and keep playing the songwriting royalty, that music goes to

2354
01:53:52,372 --> 01:53:55,252
Speaker 2: the artist, whereas you know most most of the recording

2355
01:53:57,053 --> 01:54:00,492
Speaker 2: royalty goes to the record company. So if you get I've.

2356
01:54:00,412 --> 01:54:02,372
Speaker 9: Never heard of that, but it's something I'll definitely be

2357
01:54:02,452 --> 01:54:03,692
Speaker 9: looking into as I'm sure.

2358
01:54:05,612 --> 01:54:07,412
Speaker 3: Google that, so it could be a good option.

2359
01:54:07,572 --> 01:54:09,293
Speaker 2: Hey, look, I've just heard, I hear a lot of

2360
01:54:09,293 --> 01:54:10,452
Speaker 2: stuff and not all of it's true.

2361
01:54:11,612 --> 01:54:14,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, it's something to look into. But like

2362
01:54:14,452 --> 01:54:17,372
Speaker 4: I say, we love the music. It helps out industry.

2363
01:54:17,933 --> 01:54:20,532
Speaker 4: But ten grand a year for a very small gym

2364
01:54:20,572 --> 01:54:23,293
Speaker 4: ountain Pooky Koie, I think it is a little bit ludicrous.

2365
01:54:23,893 --> 01:54:25,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, thank you so much for you call.

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Speaker 9: On the side, note there's no New Zealand artists in

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Speaker 9: the mixers we get really.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's an.

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Speaker 9: Australian franchise, so everything comes out of Ossie and everything's

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Speaker 9: remixed and made for the gym, so I'm picking the

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01:54:42,733 --> 01:54:47,293
Speaker 9: artists will be getting paid directly by the company that

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Speaker 9: sends us our music as well.

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Speaker 3: Right yeah, Tim, oh.

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Speaker 2: Tim, I'm going to let you go. Running out of time,

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Speaker 2: but thank you so much for your call.

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Speaker 3: Great caller. It is seven minutes before we will be

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Speaker 3: back very shortly.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between.

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Speaker 3: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks. That'd be

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Speaker 3: news talk z'd be. It is five minutes to four,

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Speaker 3: so I'll put that conversation to bed.

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Speaker 2: It was a fantastic one. I think Most people agree

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Speaker 2: that musicians should be paid for their compositions when those

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Speaker 2: compositions help businesses to create an atmosphere centure. But is

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Speaker 2: the system of fear?

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Speaker 6: One?

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Speaker 3: Is one?

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01:55:21,693 --> 01:55:25,293
Speaker 2: Music? Too aggressive? Are the way they calculate it fear?

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Speaker 2: Who's getting the money? How's it divvied up?

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Speaker 3: Still a lot of questions, a lot of questions. It's complex, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but great discussion.

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Speaker 2: And who was playing my song? Beers in the United

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Speaker 2: States of America, such that I got sixteen dollars and

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Speaker 2: twenty seven cents. It's not bad, not bad at all. Hey,

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Speaker 2: here you go his page.

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Speaker 3: You called the show fantastic when certified platinum in South Korea. Incredible.

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Speaker 3: That still has to work a job here in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand in the meantime. Great singer, Yeah, beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh what a lovely song. She's getting paid for

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Speaker 2: this playing on news storks being Yep, that's a couple

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Speaker 2: of cents, all right. That brings us the end of

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Speaker 2: the show. Thank you so much for listening. We'll be

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Speaker 2: back tomorrow with more Matt and Tyler afternoons. Until then,

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Speaker 2: give it.

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Speaker 7: To key away from us. Burning through my insecure mind.

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01:56:14,573 --> 01:56:18,293
Speaker 7: I'm feeling solemn sure. I just hope that you know

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Speaker 7: I'm so try and I want to be honest with you,

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01:56:24,933 --> 01:56:30,892
Speaker 7: honestly myself know I'll help you, Madam Tyler.

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