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Speaker 2: Hello, Great New Zealand's Welcome to Manatyler Full Show Podcast

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Speaker 2: number two nine five for the twenty first of February.

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Speaker 2: It is a Wednesday. The year is twenty twenty sacks

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Speaker 2: and you had a good, good show today. I always

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Speaker 2: say that boring way to start.

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Speaker 3: It was a good show though, Yeah, I know we

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Speaker 3: always say that. But some good discussion about cash.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember what happened was so long ago.

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Speaker 3: In Turette's Tourett's was a fascinating discussion.

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Speaker 2: Walk fantastic woman from Tourette's and Zimma. She was just incredible,

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Speaker 2: just and had a great discussion about that bafter situation

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Speaker 2: where John Davidson, the sufferer of Tourett's, yelled out a

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Speaker 2: word that people were unhappy about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great discussion, cop Ro Lalia nice nailed it. So download,

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, you seem busy, We'll let you go. Give

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Speaker 2: a toast Kivy all right by then love you.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Kids, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons

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Speaker 1: with Shoda News Talk Sedvy.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Wednesday show. Great

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Speaker 3: to have your company as always, Thanks very much for

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Speaker 3: tuning in. How you doing, Matt?

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Speaker 2: Very good? Thank you, Tyler? Hello everyone. Eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number nine two nine two

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Speaker 2: if you want to text us now. The final of

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Speaker 2: a fantastic television show was released on Monday, A Night

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Speaker 2: of the Seven Kingdoms. Yes, so good. Six episodes in

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Speaker 2: the series, and so they're all up there now, they're

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Speaker 2: on neon at the moment, and yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 2: it's just such a such a great story. But I

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Speaker 3: It felt like they're setting it up well for hopefully

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Speaker 3: a second season. But it was an emotional, emotional last episode.

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Speaker 3: I've got to say, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's based on a bunch of box so

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Speaker 2: they you know, they've got plenty of stories. It's based

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Speaker 2: it's an adaptation of Tales of Dunk and Egg, which

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Speaker 2: is a series of novellas by George R. R. Martin

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Speaker 2: of course wrote Game of Thrones, so because they've sort

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Speaker 2: because the actual series craped the beard yep at the end,

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Speaker 2: and so there's a lot of ill will to the

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Speaker 2: series after being fantastic for a number of seasons, and

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Speaker 2: House of the Dragon, which had a good first season.

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Speaker 2: The second series was so boring and earnest. Yes, that

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Speaker 2: they felt like the world was in danger. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: universe of Game of Thrones is in danger. But they've

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Speaker 2: come back with this which is so good. A Night

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Speaker 2: of the Seven Kingdoms and look, six episodes, but the

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Speaker 2: just under thirty minutes, yeah, around thirty minutes.

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Speaker 3: As I was watching it in the final minutes and

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Speaker 3: It's almost like the loss of a friend. It's just like,

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Speaker 2: Dunke and Egg are just such great people. And I know

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, incredible series. Go and watch it. It's

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Speaker 3: on knee on at the moment for the time being. Fantastic. Right,

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Speaker 3: let's get into the show. After three o'clock. We want

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Speaker 3: to talk about the age old advice of following your passion,

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Speaker 2: Well, his argument, right, is that people keep telling kids

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Speaker 2: All these kind of things. Right, So his argument is,

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Speaker 2: But it is massively misunderstood. And you know, what about

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that then, but right now, let's have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the cost is estimated one hundred and four

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Speaker 2: aren't going to just pay for that, right They're going

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Speaker 3: That is set is paying on. So that's a bit

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Speaker 3: pay for this, then we're going to pass it on

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Speaker 2: But you make us provide physical access to the money

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Speaker 3: It's a hell of a threat to make, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: it becoming too hard to get cash? And what do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't carry any cash and I don't

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Speaker 2: me when we were on holiday. So I said, I'll

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Speaker 2: And then went to pay for it and my phone

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Speaker 2: him out to pay for him lending me money in

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Speaker 3: What did he say, So this is mighty convenient, Matt, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: He had all kinds of conspiracy theories, but that you

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Speaker 2: know your cash. Your cash didn't the batteries didn't go

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Speaker 2: flat on your you know your Sarah Sir Rutherford's.

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Speaker 3: Did they No, certainly not your sids. Yeah. Oh, one

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Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Is

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Speaker 3: Is the Reserve bank right here to try and push

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Speaker 3: the banks to have more ATMs? Or are you full

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Speaker 3: noise digital? And you couldn't care less. You pay for

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Speaker 3: everything on your phone. You make sure it's all charged

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Speaker 3: up and frankly, the idea of cash is just more Edmond.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 3: It's good for buskers, yep, great for buskers. They rely

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Speaker 3: on it. The poor buggers have got the QR code.

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Speaker 3: How much Edmond is that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, buskers and beggars, they would like steve more cash

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Speaker 3: Yeah, come on through, I WATEE hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 3: News talks at b It is eighteen past one, so

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Speaker 3: we're talking about the Reserve Bank wanting banks to roll

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Speaker 3: out possibly thousands more atm and branches to protect the

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Speaker 3: access to cash. So how important is cash to you

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Speaker 3: to use it on a regular basis? I eight one

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Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighties number to call.

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Speaker 2: Alan, welcome to show your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely, please to me talk to you, you guys,

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Speaker 6: And when they put ATMs just in the front of

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about the private ATMs that charge your fortune.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's they charge your fortune through it when it

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Speaker 6: these banks they operate under a license at the courtesy

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Speaker 6: and close down branches. Part of operating in this country.

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Speaker 6: If you don't leave the country, they can't take the

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Speaker 2: You talk about, you know, like emergencies and not being

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Speaker 2: able to get cashed. Do you keep I think we're

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Speaker 2: but do you keep?

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Speaker 5: And I keep?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I keep cash on hand and I use it too.

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Speaker 6: And then you've got all the kids, the grandkids. We

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Speaker 2: Do you find it harder to to spend your cash

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Speaker 6: But there's only one place I've walked in and they

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Speaker 6: You can go broke. As far as I'm concerned, I've

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Speaker 2: We were talking about this other the day as well

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Speaker 2: because we used to deal with change so much, even

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Speaker 3: So what do I do here? H I need you help? Oh,

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Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call you?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 3: Ellen, do you think that cash is king and you'll

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Speaker 2: I think Adam makes an interesting point. Without cash, the

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Speaker 2: government can monitor your every move. They can shut your

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Speaker 2: Cash is the ultimate freedom. Fifty dollars cash will always

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Speaker 2: be fifty dollars cash. That's true. I mean, although quantitive

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very true.

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Speaker 2: But I mean that's a that's a good point. There's

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Speaker 2: a there's a digital trail for everything you do now

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Speaker 3: People that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if they don't agree with what the government's you know,

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Speaker 3: It's a dangerous path. Yeah, oh one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number?

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Speaker 5: Call?

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Speaker 3: Do you feel uneasy about cash becoming less available? And

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Speaker 3: is the Reserve Bank right to push the banks to

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Speaker 3: have more ATMs? Love to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: Graham says needed cash and akaroa last week no internet

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Speaker 2: and the ATM down for a while. Access to cash

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two is there? Takes back very shortly.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 7: Tabeal one for some of our school's primary principles are

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Speaker 7: voted to accept Erika Stamford, the Education Minister is with

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Speaker 7: us and how many to go?

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Speaker 8: We have just got primary teachers to go.

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Speaker 4: What's the primary teacher's problem.

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Speaker 8: Well, they've been talking a lot about wanting to have

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Speaker 8: the Treaty of Bitaney acknowledged.

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Speaker 1: Now agree.

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Speaker 7: You're seriously telling me that's what's holding it up. So

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Speaker 7: the secondary teachers say yes please. Principles say yes please,

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Speaker 7: But the primary teachers, as long as we can do

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Speaker 2: Is that what this is down to.

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Speaker 7: Well, that's one of the things that they've been talking about, is.

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Speaker 2: The union, particularly in this case a problem.

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Speaker 9: The union are the union, and they often talk about

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Speaker 7: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 3: Talk z B afternoon the reserve banks. His banks need

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Speaker 3: to protect people's access to cash. So are you bothered

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Speaker 5: Guys?

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Speaker 2: I don't want to pay dollars for a system I

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Speaker 2: as a pain as you Q for ages. Seems we're

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Speaker 2: doing this for old people who won't or don't know

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Speaker 2: how to use digital banks, cheers Craig. Or so young

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Speaker 2: people that want to buy marijuana by judging by the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're getting a few of those techs, mister Green.

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Speaker 2: They want the want the cash. But things used to

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Speaker 2: guess that's what checkbooks worth back in the day.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, that's right, the old checkbook.

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Speaker 2: But there was a while where people would line up

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Speaker 2: they were going to spend at pubs because you know,

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Speaker 2: a lot of money for the weekend, right yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So there's a huge amount of convenience in the system now,

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Speaker 2: Like I don't would anyone want to go back to

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Speaker 3: Not for me. And I just say that as we

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Speaker 3: And what do you think happened to that five hundred

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Speaker 3: Whereas when it's digital. I mean, maybe the argument goes

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Speaker 2: I think it's the other way. I think if you

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Speaker 2: than just swiping a card. Yeah, money you've never seen.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's just some digits that you didn't know

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Speaker 3: I think I'm just useless with money.

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Speaker 2: Either way, I'm absolutely anti full digital money. Classic case,

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Speaker 2: They say, just use Apple Pay, except every Apple Pay

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Speaker 2: you agree with that text?

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Speaker 10: But certainly most certainly, when was ever decided that you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's sort of coming incrementally, hasn't it. It's

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Speaker 2: now absolutely assumed that it is that that you that

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Speaker 2: They wouldn't accept it, would they.

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Speaker 10: Way, No, No, not at all. But I mean, and

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Speaker 10: I use the system all the time. All my accounts

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Speaker 10: are paid by the Internet. I paid by the Internet.

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Speaker 10: But at the end of the day, until there is

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Speaker 10: going to get hacked or lose any money and the

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Speaker 10: banks will stand by it. I can't see how we

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Speaker 10: can only just go to one to one system. Another

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Speaker 10: we send the young fellow up the road to get

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Speaker 10: a whole lot of lunch. Everybody no cash? Do we

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Good point, dangerously, I guess in terms of the security though.

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Speaker 2: You know your wallet with cash and isn't particularly secure either,

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Speaker 2: is it, Wayne.

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Speaker 10: No, but someone has to physically take it off you

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Speaker 4: To you buy that?

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Speaker 3: Sorry, just quickly, Wayne, the argument, and I think the

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Speaker 3: reserve bank can put it on ice Furt for the

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Speaker 3: time being. But they were looking at a digital currency,

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Speaker 3: a better way to deal with nefarious ways people use money,

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Speaker 3: the black markets, the money, money laundering and all that

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well it is, but it's like everything, we end

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Speaker 10: Just about all of our laws are all because a

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Speaker 10: So therefore we passed the law that everyone's got to

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Speaker 10: of the population that that abuse it. But we're the

438
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Speaker 10: ones that have to pay.

439
00:20:19,333 --> 00:20:20,812
Speaker 2: Hey, Wayne, do you wand if I ask them, how

440
00:20:20,813 --> 00:20:21,373
Speaker 2: old you are?

441
00:20:21,733 --> 00:20:24,733
Speaker 10: Roughly in the early sixties.

442
00:20:25,013 --> 00:20:28,053
Speaker 2: So do you remember being paid in just cash? Because

443
00:20:28,053 --> 00:20:31,493
Speaker 2: I think about this people getting paid an envelope of

444
00:20:31,533 --> 00:20:36,532
Speaker 2: money and then having to go and then you know,

445
00:20:36,613 --> 00:20:40,693
Speaker 2: like so automatic direct debits, automatic payments takes a lot

446
00:20:40,773 --> 00:20:43,253
Speaker 2: of the temptation out of your life, right, there must

447
00:20:43,253 --> 00:20:45,773
Speaker 2: have been a time that was pretty risky when someone

448
00:20:45,853 --> 00:20:48,532
Speaker 2: just gets given all their money in an envelope and

449
00:20:48,573 --> 00:20:51,253
Speaker 2: then has to remember to give some to the power bill,

450
00:20:51,493 --> 00:20:56,853
Speaker 2: some to you know, save groceries, save some for rent

451
00:20:56,853 --> 00:21:00,613
Speaker 2: if their renting, et cetera. That that there's some advantages

452
00:21:00,613 --> 00:21:02,493
Speaker 2: in there that and that your money comes in from

453
00:21:02,493 --> 00:21:05,653
Speaker 2: your work and then can be allocated out automatically.

454
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Speaker 10: Yes, yeah, totally. And I can remember that time I

455
00:21:08,613 --> 00:21:12,133
Speaker 10: was paid in cash. So yeah, it.

456
00:21:12,213 --> 00:21:14,133
Speaker 3: Was usually a Friday as well, wasn't it. So that's

457
00:21:14,173 --> 00:21:14,653
Speaker 3: extra game.

458
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Speaker 11: Yeah, until and I.

459
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Speaker 10: Think the first it was when your your wages were

460
00:21:18,293 --> 00:21:20,613
Speaker 10: actually dumped into your bank account and then from there

461
00:21:21,133 --> 00:21:22,853
Speaker 10: you could then write a check out and pay for

462
00:21:22,893 --> 00:21:26,253
Speaker 10: your powerbill and everything else. But that's time. It's all

463
00:21:26,333 --> 00:21:29,693
Speaker 10: changed to the point now where to have a mobile

464
00:21:29,733 --> 00:21:31,573
Speaker 10: phone you have to have a plan, you have to

465
00:21:31,613 --> 00:21:33,653
Speaker 10: have an internet connection. So that I mean straight away

466
00:21:33,653 --> 00:21:37,053
Speaker 10: there's one hundred plus dollars a month going out, which

467
00:21:37,293 --> 00:21:40,933
Speaker 10: never you never used to have to pay that or

468
00:21:41,093 --> 00:21:45,573
Speaker 10: you had that cost yea. So yeah, but like I say,

469
00:21:46,533 --> 00:21:49,493
Speaker 10: it's like a toll road. You can have a toll road,

470
00:21:49,493 --> 00:21:52,413
Speaker 10: but so long as you've got an alternative, you don't

471
00:21:52,453 --> 00:21:57,773
Speaker 10: have to same thing was yeah, by all means digital

472
00:21:58,213 --> 00:22:01,293
Speaker 10: a digital platform to pay your accounts, et cetera, et cetera.

473
00:22:01,373 --> 00:22:04,213
Speaker 10: But you still should be able to have cash and

474
00:22:04,253 --> 00:22:07,733
Speaker 10: news cash or have access accessibility do cash, good.

475
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Speaker 2: Call, get on your thanks you for your call. Checks

476
00:22:10,333 --> 00:22:13,133
Speaker 2: are an amazing thing that they existed. I suppose they

477
00:22:13,173 --> 00:22:16,573
Speaker 2: stare this, but it was basically I think Jerry Seinfeld

478
00:22:16,613 --> 00:22:18,613
Speaker 2: had a bit on it, and he was like, I

479
00:22:18,693 --> 00:22:21,373
Speaker 2: don't have any money now on me now, but if

480
00:22:21,373 --> 00:22:24,013
Speaker 2: you take this piece as of paper to these guys

481
00:22:24,653 --> 00:22:25,853
Speaker 2: then they will give you the money.

482
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

483
00:22:26,333 --> 00:22:29,893
Speaker 3: Basically an IOUs a lot of trust involved. Yeah right. Oh,

484
00:22:29,893 --> 00:22:32,213
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

485
00:22:32,333 --> 00:22:35,093
Speaker 3: Banks could be required to add thousands of new eightyms

486
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Speaker 3: under reserve bank pressure. Do you feel uneasy about cash

487
00:22:38,213 --> 00:22:41,213
Speaker 3: becoming less available? And coming up after the headlines, We've

488
00:22:41,253 --> 00:22:42,773
Speaker 3: got Allen on the line who wants to have a

489
00:22:42,773 --> 00:22:44,413
Speaker 3: bit of a crack at the bank. So that's coming

490
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Speaker 3: up next. It is twenty seven to two.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So the Reserve Bank

512
00:24:06,573 --> 00:24:08,933
Speaker 3: is calling for a nationwide boost in eighty games, putting

513
00:24:08,973 --> 00:24:12,133
Speaker 3: pressure on the banks to provide them to keep cash accessible.

514
00:24:12,213 --> 00:24:14,613
Speaker 3: So are you worried that using all withdrawing cash is

515
00:24:14,653 --> 00:24:15,293
Speaker 3: getting harder?

516
00:24:15,773 --> 00:24:18,853
Speaker 2: Used to get paid with an envelope on a Friday,

517
00:24:19,053 --> 00:24:24,013
Speaker 2: generally worked up on Saturday morning with zero money, hungry

518
00:24:24,053 --> 00:24:24,453
Speaker 2: all week.

519
00:24:24,533 --> 00:24:26,893
Speaker 3: Good for the economy, Great for the economy.

520
00:24:27,373 --> 00:24:29,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you go out with all your money in

521
00:24:29,533 --> 00:24:32,053
Speaker 2: your pocket after work on a Friday, instant boost that

522
00:24:32,373 --> 00:24:34,173
Speaker 2: I can see how they could go wrong? They used

523
00:24:34,173 --> 00:24:35,373
Speaker 2: to have those things. I'm not sure if they have

524
00:24:35,493 --> 00:24:37,773
Speaker 2: them now in the same way, but they used to

525
00:24:37,853 --> 00:24:41,373
Speaker 2: have those things where they'd give you your pain in advance.

526
00:24:41,373 --> 00:24:43,573
Speaker 2: What were those they used to prey on people?

527
00:24:43,813 --> 00:24:45,573
Speaker 3: Oh the payday lenders?

528
00:24:45,893 --> 00:24:48,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, payday lenders, yeah, jeepers.

529
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Speaker 3: Allen, you want to have a bit of a crack

530
00:24:50,933 --> 00:24:51,813
Speaker 3: at the bank, is that right?

531
00:24:52,573 --> 00:24:52,813
Speaker 5: Well?

532
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Speaker 12: Two things really. Firstly, with the cash scenario, I think

533
00:25:00,293 --> 00:25:05,093
Speaker 12: that cash will always have a place until the digital

534
00:25:05,133 --> 00:25:14,453
Speaker 12: world can build in one RESI against its ability to perform,

535
00:25:14,853 --> 00:25:18,133
Speaker 12: and so when New Zealand, that generally comes to the

536
00:25:18,133 --> 00:25:22,613
Speaker 12: fore when there's a natural disaster or cyber attack or

537
00:25:22,613 --> 00:25:26,653
Speaker 12: something like that. So really no system is infallible, and

538
00:25:26,693 --> 00:25:29,813
Speaker 12: that's why cash comes into its own I wouldn't rely

539
00:25:29,893 --> 00:25:32,813
Speaker 12: on it necessarily as for the old days where it's

540
00:25:32,853 --> 00:25:36,133
Speaker 12: the only thing, but I think that it's important we

541
00:25:36,173 --> 00:25:39,373
Speaker 12: have access to that as a backup or an emergency.

542
00:25:40,973 --> 00:25:45,733
Speaker 12: And if for no other reason, the bipetrol and food

543
00:25:46,773 --> 00:25:50,173
Speaker 12: until the digital system comes back online, well.

544
00:25:50,013 --> 00:25:53,333
Speaker 2: There's never going to be a situation Allen where digital

545
00:25:53,413 --> 00:25:55,933
Speaker 2: is completely robust, though, is it?

546
00:25:56,053 --> 00:26:01,693
Speaker 12: Because in cash you're talking about a money, a wealth

547
00:26:01,733 --> 00:26:05,893
Speaker 12: transfer system that's only been going for what ten thousand years,

548
00:26:07,093 --> 00:26:10,893
Speaker 12: So digital has been going for thirty seconds, and it's

549
00:26:10,933 --> 00:26:14,693
Speaker 12: already proven that it's not that it is not that

550
00:26:14,853 --> 00:26:18,373
Speaker 12: it's sorry, that it is fallible. So you know, you

551
00:26:18,413 --> 00:26:21,093
Speaker 12: just can't throw all your eggs in one basket and

552
00:26:21,173 --> 00:26:23,893
Speaker 12: go digital and expect that things will not go wrong.

553
00:26:24,733 --> 00:26:27,613
Speaker 2: It is slightly terrifying as well, if you ever stop

554
00:26:27,653 --> 00:26:29,693
Speaker 2: to think about it that, you know, what does your

555
00:26:29,773 --> 00:26:33,973
Speaker 2: money mean apart from some numbers in an app or

556
00:26:34,133 --> 00:26:35,253
Speaker 2: that you look up online.

557
00:26:35,453 --> 00:26:37,533
Speaker 12: Yeah, well I think I mean, yeah, to go back

558
00:26:37,533 --> 00:26:39,333
Speaker 12: to your earlier point about you know, getting an on

559
00:26:39,413 --> 00:26:43,533
Speaker 12: black full of cash. I started work very long time ago,

560
00:26:43,653 --> 00:26:45,933
Speaker 12: and you got paid direct to your bank account. If

561
00:26:45,933 --> 00:26:48,333
Speaker 12: you were on a salary, it was generally wager and

562
00:26:48,373 --> 00:26:52,133
Speaker 12: as it got paid cash because there would be things

563
00:26:52,133 --> 00:26:54,893
Speaker 12: like over time and you know, in all payments and

564
00:26:54,933 --> 00:26:57,893
Speaker 12: all those sorts of things tacked onto that. So if

565
00:26:57,893 --> 00:27:01,693
Speaker 12: you were doing a blue collar job or a you know,

566
00:27:02,053 --> 00:27:05,013
Speaker 12: casual employment sort of thing, it was all cash. But

567
00:27:05,893 --> 00:27:08,453
Speaker 12: as far as the banks are concerned, yeah, I think

568
00:27:08,493 --> 00:27:12,453
Speaker 12: that they've been spending the last probably five or ten

569
00:27:12,533 --> 00:27:15,653
Speaker 12: years trying to remove themselves from the world. They don't

570
00:27:15,693 --> 00:27:20,013
Speaker 12: want to deal with you other than remotely and even digitally.

571
00:27:20,093 --> 00:27:23,013
Speaker 12: It's an issue because you can't get ahold of human

572
00:27:23,053 --> 00:27:25,293
Speaker 12: beings and you can't get a hold of people. They

573
00:27:25,333 --> 00:27:30,293
Speaker 12: just hide behind an email address or some other digital signature.

574
00:27:31,013 --> 00:27:35,532
Speaker 12: And they need to provide better representation than they have

575
00:27:35,653 --> 00:27:37,853
Speaker 12: been because they're making enough money off us. We must

576
00:27:37,853 --> 00:27:41,213
Speaker 12: all get something back in return. And I think the

577
00:27:41,253 --> 00:27:46,253
Speaker 12: idea of forming hubs for community it's what communities want, yeah,

578
00:27:46,333 --> 00:27:49,532
Speaker 12: because everyone seems to be you know. I know in

579
00:27:49,613 --> 00:27:52,893
Speaker 12: your programs previously, you've been talking about how young people

580
00:27:52,933 --> 00:27:55,933
Speaker 12: are hiding from the real world because they're operating digitally

581
00:27:56,893 --> 00:27:59,573
Speaker 12: in every way, and we need to get people out

582
00:27:59,573 --> 00:28:01,413
Speaker 12: there mixing it in the community.

583
00:28:03,613 --> 00:28:05,093
Speaker 2: Of mixing in the community. People used to have a

584
00:28:05,333 --> 00:28:08,853
Speaker 2: relationship with their bank manager, not a relationship like that, Tyler,

585
00:28:09,133 --> 00:28:11,893
Speaker 2: but they knew them over a period of time, and

586
00:28:12,253 --> 00:28:16,933
Speaker 2: they they built up rappoort bank manager knew about your life,

587
00:28:17,773 --> 00:28:20,653
Speaker 2: you know, and decisions could be made in a more

588
00:28:20,773 --> 00:28:22,053
Speaker 2: human fashion.

589
00:28:22,733 --> 00:28:26,773
Speaker 12: Now I worked in the bank. That was my first

590
00:28:26,853 --> 00:28:31,653
Speaker 12: job as a school leader, and that was exactly right,

591
00:28:32,053 --> 00:28:34,773
Speaker 12: and everyone in that community got to know who you

592
00:28:34,813 --> 00:28:37,813
Speaker 12: were and what you did and if anything needed to

593
00:28:37,813 --> 00:28:40,853
Speaker 12: be discussed that was of importance, they always talked to

594
00:28:40,893 --> 00:28:45,333
Speaker 12: the bank manager. And so that's all gone now, you know.

595
00:28:45,453 --> 00:28:51,293
Speaker 12: It's you ask anyone to name who their personal banker

596
00:28:51,373 --> 00:28:55,093
Speaker 12: is they've dealt with for more than probably a year, Well,

597
00:28:55,253 --> 00:28:57,013
Speaker 12: no one can probably answer that question.

598
00:28:57,173 --> 00:29:00,333
Speaker 2: Well, allan I recently got was just bought a new

599
00:29:00,333 --> 00:29:04,693
Speaker 2: house and the previous person not only were they not

600
00:29:04,733 --> 00:29:08,173
Speaker 2: there anymore, the entire branch wasn't there anymore. And the

601
00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:10,013
Speaker 2: nearest place, you know, they were trying to get me

602
00:29:10,093 --> 00:29:12,413
Speaker 2: to meet someone in Albany, which is you know, across

603
00:29:12,453 --> 00:29:15,133
Speaker 2: the you know, that was the appointment to go and

604
00:29:15,173 --> 00:29:17,773
Speaker 2: talk about my mortgage was an Albany.

605
00:29:17,453 --> 00:29:18,253
Speaker 3: It's ages away.

606
00:29:18,413 --> 00:29:21,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like, well, come to me. You

607
00:29:21,053 --> 00:29:23,493
Speaker 2: want me to drive for half an hour to talk

608
00:29:23,533 --> 00:29:23,853
Speaker 2: to you?

609
00:29:23,853 --> 00:29:24,653
Speaker 3: You want my business?

610
00:29:25,053 --> 00:29:27,093
Speaker 2: And so I said, zoom call, and so we did

611
00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:30,253
Speaker 2: it on a zoom call, but in and he ended

612
00:29:30,293 --> 00:29:33,853
Speaker 2: up being pretty good. But there's definitely no relationship and

613
00:29:33,933 --> 00:29:35,493
Speaker 2: I already can't remember his name.

614
00:29:36,413 --> 00:29:39,013
Speaker 12: No, And I mean this, look, the reality is that

615
00:29:39,653 --> 00:29:43,293
Speaker 12: you don't they may not, you know, provide that facility

616
00:29:43,573 --> 00:29:48,453
Speaker 12: at a community slash hub place you can still maybe

617
00:29:48,493 --> 00:29:50,813
Speaker 12: go there and sort out some mythig gritty stuff that

618
00:29:51,973 --> 00:29:55,253
Speaker 12: it's just easier to deal with in one go rather

619
00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:59,813
Speaker 12: than you know, having to deal with multiple departments that

620
00:29:59,813 --> 00:30:02,373
Speaker 12: that hide away and are nameless.

621
00:30:02,733 --> 00:30:02,933
Speaker 5: You know.

622
00:30:02,973 --> 00:30:05,773
Speaker 12: I think that, Yeah, they need to recognize that they

623
00:30:05,813 --> 00:30:08,773
Speaker 12: have some responsibility to offer a better sit gerous than

624
00:30:08,813 --> 00:30:12,133
Speaker 12: they have been. Yeah, and we can't escape the digital world,

625
00:30:12,213 --> 00:30:14,253
Speaker 12: but there's got to be a place for human interaction

626
00:30:14,333 --> 00:30:14,733
Speaker 12: as well.

627
00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:18,413
Speaker 2: And we also can't escape the banking world. We can't

628
00:30:18,453 --> 00:30:21,293
Speaker 2: operate without being signed up to a bank in this country.

629
00:30:21,893 --> 00:30:23,733
Speaker 2: You just wouldn't work. You couldn't. There's no way you

630
00:30:23,773 --> 00:30:26,893
Speaker 2: could just get money and put it in your mattress.

631
00:30:27,173 --> 00:30:29,973
Speaker 2: So there's kind of a contract with banks. We have

632
00:30:30,453 --> 00:30:33,173
Speaker 2: set up the system such that everyone has to be

633
00:30:33,173 --> 00:30:36,773
Speaker 2: engaged with a bank. So perhaps the bank have to

634
00:30:36,813 --> 00:30:40,293
Speaker 2: give something back and provide ways for us to engage

635
00:30:40,293 --> 00:30:44,093
Speaker 2: with them, such as enough branches and enough ATM machines

636
00:30:44,093 --> 00:30:47,533
Speaker 2: that people can get actually in cold hard folding. Because

637
00:30:47,533 --> 00:30:49,493
Speaker 2: the banks are saying that that will cost the one

638
00:30:49,573 --> 00:30:51,813
Speaker 2: hundred and four million dollars annually and they'll just add

639
00:30:51,853 --> 00:30:53,213
Speaker 2: that onto their borrowing.

640
00:30:53,373 --> 00:30:57,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, so aer it feels like we're subservient to these

641
00:30:57,453 --> 00:31:01,013
Speaker 3: guys when they are looking after cash. They are working

642
00:31:01,053 --> 00:31:03,013
Speaker 3: for us, and all of a sudden, we've got to

643
00:31:03,053 --> 00:31:05,053
Speaker 3: be thankful for anything that they give us. They give

644
00:31:05,133 --> 00:31:07,093
Speaker 3: us just a little bit and take away lots and

645
00:31:07,093 --> 00:31:08,213
Speaker 3: say you should.

646
00:31:07,933 --> 00:31:11,453
Speaker 2: Be thank It's in certification. First, you know they're convenient,

647
00:31:11,773 --> 00:31:13,853
Speaker 2: and then as soon as you need them, they start

648
00:31:13,853 --> 00:31:16,013
Speaker 2: making the rules. That's how technology works.

649
00:31:16,093 --> 00:31:19,413
Speaker 12: Yes, add up their profits that all of the banks

650
00:31:19,413 --> 00:31:21,773
Speaker 12: and that are represented in New Zealand. You add up

651
00:31:21,813 --> 00:31:26,333
Speaker 12: the annual profits and you'll probably come to post ten

652
00:31:26,373 --> 00:31:27,053
Speaker 12: billion dollars.

653
00:31:27,213 --> 00:31:28,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're doing pretty well to take one.

654
00:31:28,933 --> 00:31:30,893
Speaker 12: Hundred and four Take one hundred and four million out

655
00:31:30,893 --> 00:31:34,413
Speaker 12: of that. That's not even that's what zero point one percent? Yeah,

656
00:31:34,453 --> 00:31:37,893
Speaker 12: well one percent, it's not even that. Yeah, exacutly, where

657
00:31:37,973 --> 00:31:40,213
Speaker 12: is the problem from their point of view? They just

658
00:31:40,373 --> 00:31:42,293
Speaker 12: do not want to engage with the public.

659
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Speaker 5: Period.

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Speaker 3: Good on you allan, thank you very much for your

661
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Speaker 3: phone call. Do you agree with Ellen? Are the banks

662
00:31:47,613 --> 00:31:50,013
Speaker 3: taking the mix here? This is after the Reserve bankouraging

663
00:31:50,053 --> 00:31:53,213
Speaker 3: banks to roll out many more ATMs and reopen branches.

664
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Speaker 3: So can you get your views? So one hundred and

665
00:31:55,013 --> 00:31:57,253
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is that number? It is sixteen to two.

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Speaker 1: A fresh take on took back Matt Heath and Tyler

667
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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons with Skoda Place go to codes every day

668
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Speaker 1: as SCD.

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Speaker 4: Dot co dot ends there have your say.

670
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Speaker 3: On thirteen to one. So the Reserve Bank is urging

671
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Speaker 3: banks to roll out more at ms to ensure people

672
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Speaker 3: can still excess cash. Is that something that matters to

673
00:32:19,053 --> 00:32:23,733
Speaker 3: you in terms of excess to cash? Adrian, Mate, So,

674
00:32:23,853 --> 00:32:32,213
Speaker 3: Sadrian or yeah, yeah, hive been wondering where you been? Sorry, Adrian?

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Speaker 3: You go, Mate, you go?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, So you know, I'm just say that I think

677
00:32:38,893 --> 00:32:46,493
Speaker 11: the government paper responsibility to obviously project the you know

678
00:32:47,613 --> 00:32:51,533
Speaker 11: people that both of them, and part of that projection

679
00:32:51,733 --> 00:32:57,533
Speaker 11: would be also for vide for security in and around

680
00:32:59,453 --> 00:33:03,533
Speaker 11: seems like cash, Yeah, because we all know that cash

681
00:33:03,653 --> 00:33:09,853
Speaker 11: is more essential because what other things you have for

682
00:33:10,013 --> 00:33:14,213
Speaker 11: some services if things happen like a storm or a

683
00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:15,453
Speaker 11: cyber tank for whatever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, under yep, good point. Yep. Absolutely cash is important

685
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Speaker 3: in so.

686
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Speaker 2: Many examples recently of you know, the whole system going down.

687
00:33:26,333 --> 00:33:29,973
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, very people needing cash. Absolutely. A couple of

688
00:33:29,973 --> 00:33:32,653
Speaker 3: techs here, guys, every gas station has an ATM minute,

689
00:33:32,653 --> 00:33:35,693
Speaker 3: every supermarket has an eighty minute. Very few people more

690
00:33:35,733 --> 00:33:37,293
Speaker 3: than a few minutes from either one of those. We

691
00:33:37,333 --> 00:33:38,853
Speaker 3: don't need any more cash machines from.

692
00:33:38,933 --> 00:33:42,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, but those ones they charge you up the absolute

693
00:33:42,493 --> 00:33:46,013
Speaker 2: wa zoo ridging for getting cash out.

694
00:33:46,133 --> 00:33:46,373
Speaker 3: They do.

695
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Speaker 2: Not to say that the banks don't charge you as well.

696
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Speaker 2: But those those ones, those little punishing little ones in

697
00:33:51,653 --> 00:33:54,053
Speaker 2: the corner of a store yep, they rip you.

698
00:33:54,213 --> 00:33:56,413
Speaker 3: They certainly do two bucks a pop, the dirty buggers.

699
00:33:56,933 --> 00:33:58,853
Speaker 2: It's interesting, isn't it. So if you think about it.

700
00:33:59,093 --> 00:34:01,613
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about this before. If the digital

701
00:34:01,693 --> 00:34:06,533
Speaker 2: cash right has the bank's liability, right, because the bank,

702
00:34:07,413 --> 00:34:09,493
Speaker 2: if you put money to the bank, right, you're lending

703
00:34:09,533 --> 00:34:11,493
Speaker 2: the money to the bank, right, So the bank is

704
00:34:11,533 --> 00:34:15,212
Speaker 2: recording an asset and a liability. Essentially, I'm with you.

705
00:34:15,373 --> 00:34:18,173
Speaker 2: If you take that money out, then it is the

706
00:34:18,253 --> 00:34:21,213
Speaker 2: reserve bank who has the liability for that cash and

707
00:34:21,293 --> 00:34:22,172
Speaker 2: no longer the bank.

708
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Speaker 4: Right.

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00:34:22,613 --> 00:34:23,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, very true, It's.

710
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Speaker 2: Quite It's an interesting thing. So the reserve bank has

711
00:34:27,893 --> 00:34:31,413
Speaker 2: more liability out in the community. I'll have to think

712
00:34:31,453 --> 00:34:31,773
Speaker 2: about that.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of confusing, Like you know, of course, they

714
00:34:35,053 --> 00:34:37,253
Speaker 3: wanted more cash because that's their bread and butter. But

715
00:34:37,293 --> 00:34:40,373
Speaker 3: if they've got that extra liability, they're happy to take

716
00:34:40,413 --> 00:34:41,652
Speaker 3: that on board. They are.

717
00:34:41,693 --> 00:34:43,493
Speaker 2: So it's a digital IOU and it's in the bank,

718
00:34:43,533 --> 00:34:46,613
Speaker 2: but it's an actual reserve bank io you when you

719
00:34:46,653 --> 00:34:47,373
Speaker 2: have it in your hand.

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00:34:47,493 --> 00:34:47,732
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:34:47,813 --> 00:34:49,813
Speaker 2: The other thing about banks, and you know that they

722
00:34:49,853 --> 00:34:53,013
Speaker 2: are so integrated into our community, right and we've handed

723
00:34:53,013 --> 00:34:55,413
Speaker 2: over everything. The government's handed over everything to them. We

724
00:34:55,453 --> 00:34:58,013
Speaker 2: can't get any services, we can't pay a tax, we

725
00:34:58,013 --> 00:35:00,053
Speaker 2: can't do a whole lot of things without banks. And

726
00:35:00,133 --> 00:35:01,773
Speaker 2: yet they're just going to pull out of the community

727
00:35:01,973 --> 00:35:04,533
Speaker 2: and not hire people to work in their banks. I

728
00:35:04,613 --> 00:35:07,093
Speaker 2: sort of feel like they owe us to a certain

729
00:35:07,133 --> 00:35:11,692
Speaker 2: extent to have a to hire people, have humans working

730
00:35:11,693 --> 00:35:15,373
Speaker 2: in banks, having an area people can go talk to

731
00:35:15,373 --> 00:35:17,413
Speaker 2: someone about their mortgage, and give something a little bit

732
00:35:17,413 --> 00:35:19,533
Speaker 2: back to the community because those people at the hire

733
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Speaker 2: and the bank go and spend and hospitality and such.

734
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Speaker 2: I just feel if they're going to take so much

735
00:35:25,173 --> 00:35:27,093
Speaker 2: and have so much of what we do and so

736
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Speaker 2: much of our economy just handed to them to play with, give.

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Speaker 3: Us fre flicker phone.

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Speaker 5: Man.

739
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Speaker 2: It's not all about profitability, but a community good will.

740
00:35:37,373 --> 00:35:39,692
Speaker 2: It is all about profitability then, so maybe they need

741
00:35:39,693 --> 00:35:42,613
Speaker 2: to be regulated. But flow us a freaking bone and

742
00:35:42,733 --> 00:35:44,893
Speaker 2: have a couple of bloody branches open.

743
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Speaker 3: Nicely said right, beg very shortly, Oh, one hundred and

744
00:35:47,373 --> 00:35:49,853
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. Do you like the idea that the

745
00:35:49,853 --> 00:35:52,573
Speaker 3: reserve bank is floating forcing the banks to provide more

746
00:35:52,613 --> 00:35:55,413
Speaker 3: ATMs to access cash? It is nine to two.

747
00:35:55,493 --> 00:35:59,813
Speaker 1: Beg very shortly, madd Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls

748
00:35:59,853 --> 00:36:01,533
Speaker 1: on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

749
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Speaker 4: It's mad Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons.

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Speaker 3: News Talks, V News Talks, Newstalks ZB It is six

751
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Speaker 3: to two.

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00:36:10,173 --> 00:36:15,893
Speaker 2: So I mean, after this good hour discussion, it seems

753
00:36:15,893 --> 00:36:20,172
Speaker 2: that that people are pretty pretty pretty happy with having

754
00:36:20,173 --> 00:36:22,413
Speaker 2: a bit of cash floating around, and they wouldn't mind

755
00:36:22,413 --> 00:36:24,493
Speaker 2: a few more ATM machines. They wouldn't mind a few

756
00:36:24,533 --> 00:36:27,573
Speaker 2: bank branches around. There's no doubt that digital banking has

757
00:36:27,693 --> 00:36:32,573
Speaker 2: made things more convenient getting paid, paying bills, paying each other,

758
00:36:32,733 --> 00:36:37,652
Speaker 2: paying tax, et cetera. But digital banking is rubbish in

759
00:36:37,693 --> 00:36:40,533
Speaker 2: a major disaster. And not only that, but the pesky

760
00:36:40,613 --> 00:36:43,893
Speaker 2: government can see everything you do, and you don't want

761
00:36:43,893 --> 00:36:46,973
Speaker 2: to go trusting the government too much because government's changed

762
00:36:47,493 --> 00:36:49,453
Speaker 2: and your government may be nice now, but you never

763
00:36:49,493 --> 00:36:50,813
Speaker 2: know what's going to happen in the future.

764
00:36:51,013 --> 00:36:51,293
Speaker 3: True.

765
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Speaker 2: And then we have the d banking you have you know,

766
00:36:54,093 --> 00:36:57,172
Speaker 2: social credit stores, all those kind of things. And look,

767
00:36:57,373 --> 00:36:59,772
Speaker 2: maybe you don't want to leave a trail for other

768
00:36:59,813 --> 00:37:04,493
Speaker 2: reasons as well, Like this Textas says as a tradee

769
00:37:04,533 --> 00:37:07,093
Speaker 2: we need cash so our wives don't know that we

770
00:37:07,133 --> 00:37:09,213
Speaker 2: are at the pub from two pus on Friday when

771
00:37:09,253 --> 00:37:13,013
Speaker 2: we finished work at five pm. Fair So he wants

772
00:37:13,013 --> 00:37:15,013
Speaker 2: three house after work without leaving gatrail.

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00:37:15,093 --> 00:37:15,893
Speaker 3: It's a good life.

774
00:37:16,053 --> 00:37:19,533
Speaker 2: So upshot as we need both, like Caula Wayne said,

775
00:37:19,653 --> 00:37:22,413
Speaker 2: toll roads are great, but you need another option. So

776
00:37:23,133 --> 00:37:26,013
Speaker 2: digital banking is brilliant, but also got to be able

777
00:37:26,013 --> 00:37:28,333
Speaker 2: to get your hands on the old folding seriades.

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00:37:28,653 --> 00:37:31,172
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. Thank you very much to everyone who

779
00:37:31,253 --> 00:37:33,573
Speaker 3: phoned in text on that really enjoyed that discussion. Coming

780
00:37:33,653 --> 00:37:36,013
Speaker 3: up after two o'clock. You've probably seen the bafter moment.

781
00:37:36,053 --> 00:37:39,692
Speaker 3: John Davidson, Tourett's campaigner and subject to the film I swear,

782
00:37:39,733 --> 00:37:42,613
Speaker 3: shouted an expletive on live TV. It wasn't deliberate. It

783
00:37:42,653 --> 00:37:45,453
Speaker 3: was an involuntary ticket. It has caused a hell of

784
00:37:45,493 --> 00:37:47,293
Speaker 3: a stir, but it also shines a light on a

785
00:37:47,333 --> 00:37:50,413
Speaker 3: bigger issue, how little people really understand turetts. So we

786
00:37:50,453 --> 00:37:52,733
Speaker 3: want to hear from you living with Tourett's or loving

787
00:37:52,773 --> 00:37:55,533
Speaker 3: someone who does What is it really like? Oh eight

788
00:37:55,653 --> 00:37:57,692
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nine

789
00:37:57,773 --> 00:37:59,293
Speaker 3: two ninety two is the text.

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00:37:59,733 --> 00:38:02,613
Speaker 2: But it's not just Turetts in terms of yelling out

791
00:38:03,893 --> 00:38:08,013
Speaker 2: potentially offensive things that Bafter awards. It's also the little

792
00:38:08,053 --> 00:38:11,333
Speaker 2: tech of life. Yes, there's all different kinds of Touretts,

793
00:38:11,333 --> 00:38:12,133
Speaker 2: so we'll talk about that.

794
00:38:12,613 --> 00:38:14,853
Speaker 3: We're also going to be joined by Emmy Emma Henderson,

795
00:38:14,933 --> 00:38:18,213
Speaker 3: general manager for Tourett's Association of New Zealand. That's all

796
00:38:18,213 --> 00:38:20,253
Speaker 3: coming up very shortly. Great to have your company is

797
00:38:20,253 --> 00:38:23,133
Speaker 3: always stay tuned. We will be back in a few minutes.

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Speaker 2: Doctor passion, doctor passive. You'm a little so I'll give

799
00:38:40,133 --> 00:38:42,493
Speaker 2: it what you do say, girl, I know you are

800
00:38:42,453 --> 00:38:43,373
Speaker 2: a little too tame.

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00:38:43,573 --> 00:38:44,133
Speaker 4: Are you student?

802
00:38:44,213 --> 00:38:44,853
Speaker 11: A satellite?

803
00:38:44,933 --> 00:38:46,853
Speaker 8: To tell him?

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00:38:46,853 --> 00:38:52,533
Speaker 13: I tell him telling you follows some tell him telling

805
00:38:52,613 --> 00:38:53,373
Speaker 13: you fuel us.

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00:38:53,573 --> 00:38:57,693
Speaker 4: To crash change. Talking with you all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons with Skoda News

808
00:39:01,573 --> 00:39:03,013
Speaker 1: Talk said for.

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Speaker 3: A good afternoons, you welcome back into the program. It

810
00:39:05,693 --> 00:39:08,933
Speaker 3: is seven past too, so you've probably seen the headlines

811
00:39:08,973 --> 00:39:13,453
Speaker 3: about this high profile incident at the Betht Awards. John Davidson,

812
00:39:13,493 --> 00:39:16,013
Speaker 3: he's a well known Tourett's campaigner. He was here to

813
00:39:16,013 --> 00:39:19,053
Speaker 3: celebrate the nomination of the film I Swear, which is

814
00:39:19,093 --> 00:39:24,413
Speaker 3: based on his life, but during the ceremony unexpectedly rather

815
00:39:24,453 --> 00:39:27,053
Speaker 3: shouted out and explete. If here's a little bit of

816
00:39:27,053 --> 00:39:27,893
Speaker 3: that audioce.

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00:39:27,733 --> 00:39:31,533
Speaker 14: Do JOA and I are delighted to be presenting the

818
00:39:31,533 --> 00:39:33,813
Speaker 14: first BAFT of the night for a vital part of

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Speaker 14: movie making.

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Speaker 13: We're here to celebrate the artists to expand what's possible

821
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Speaker 13: on screen.

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Speaker 14: Visual effects can create spectacle, but the best work serves character.

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Speaker 15: In Stall, you may have had some strong and offensive

824
00:39:48,813 --> 00:39:51,053
Speaker 15: language tonight. If you've seen the film I Swear, you

825
00:39:51,093 --> 00:39:53,573
Speaker 15: will know that film is but the experience of a

826
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Speaker 15: person with Touette syndrome. Tet syndrome is a disability, and

827
00:39:56,893 --> 00:39:59,813
Speaker 15: the ticks you've heard today are involuntary, which means the

828
00:39:59,853 --> 00:40:02,893
Speaker 15: person who has Toet syndrome has no control over their language.

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Speaker 15: We apologize if you were offended.

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00:40:05,293 --> 00:40:07,493
Speaker 3: So obviously we had to bleep out what the expletive

831
00:40:07,613 --> 00:40:11,253
Speaker 3: was and al are coming. The host explained that it

832
00:40:11,453 --> 00:40:16,693
Speaker 3: was in voluntary that that particular interruption from John Davidson,

833
00:40:17,053 --> 00:40:18,812
Speaker 3: but it has caused a hell of a stir around

834
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Speaker 3: the world.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, isn't it, Because if he's saying sorry, if

836
00:40:21,613 --> 00:40:24,533
Speaker 2: you're offended, So if it is a disability and we

837
00:40:24,573 --> 00:40:28,213
Speaker 2: accept that and it's involuntary, then being offended is there

838
00:40:28,213 --> 00:40:30,693
Speaker 2: any different than being offended by anyone's disability.

839
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Speaker 3: It's a great question.

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00:40:32,133 --> 00:40:34,333
Speaker 2: So because people have been offended by people's disabilities in

841
00:40:34,333 --> 00:40:37,253
Speaker 2: the past, have been you know, people have been ostracized

842
00:40:37,253 --> 00:40:39,253
Speaker 2: with disabilities and haven't felt like they're be able to

843
00:40:39,333 --> 00:40:43,293
Speaker 2: leave the house because of people's reactions to it. Absolutely, so,

844
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Speaker 2: John Davidson, he is invited along to the baft Is

845
00:40:47,093 --> 00:40:51,333
Speaker 2: because in a way they are you know, the idea

846
00:40:51,373 --> 00:40:54,253
Speaker 2: with this film and the nomination in the bafts is

847
00:40:54,293 --> 00:40:58,253
Speaker 2: to bring awareness to affliction that some people have right, yes, correct,

848
00:40:58,533 --> 00:41:01,413
Speaker 2: And so they invite him to the baft Is knowing

849
00:41:01,413 --> 00:41:05,093
Speaker 2: that he has this this problem and and so they're

850
00:41:05,093 --> 00:41:09,093
Speaker 2: going to you know, you know, arguably true and respect,

851
00:41:10,333 --> 00:41:16,373
Speaker 2: but because of his disability, he's yelled out stuff that

852
00:41:16,533 --> 00:41:20,253
Speaker 2: has caused controversy. Can you see It's a very strange

853
00:41:20,293 --> 00:41:24,493
Speaker 2: situation here because they're inviting of him, suggesting that they're

854
00:41:24,533 --> 00:41:27,453
Speaker 2: accepting of his problem, but then the controversy around it

855
00:41:27,453 --> 00:41:29,373
Speaker 2: is suggesting that they're not accepting of his problem.

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00:41:29,733 --> 00:41:32,013
Speaker 3: To me, it's actually gross of the celebrities around him,

857
00:41:32,053 --> 00:41:34,853
Speaker 3: because if you're read any of the stories, their first

858
00:41:35,173 --> 00:41:38,853
Speaker 3: initial expletor from him caused a whole lot of and

859
00:41:39,293 --> 00:41:41,652
Speaker 3: evil looks at the guy who was invited, as you say,

860
00:41:41,653 --> 00:41:45,173
Speaker 3: invited there to try and raise awareness of the film

861
00:41:45,293 --> 00:41:47,133
Speaker 3: and what he's been doing his whole life.

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00:41:47,253 --> 00:41:49,413
Speaker 2: It was interesting because he said that when he arrived,

863
00:41:49,413 --> 00:41:51,693
Speaker 2: there was applause for him and it felt like the

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00:41:51,733 --> 00:41:54,252
Speaker 2: place was open to him being there. But he said,

865
00:41:54,293 --> 00:41:57,693
Speaker 2: as he was sitting there, I shouldn't. But he started

866
00:41:57,773 --> 00:42:02,253
Speaker 2: yelling stuff out and people around him started feeling very uncomfortable. Uncomfortable.

867
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Speaker 2: But you know, we know that the type of people

868
00:42:03,933 --> 00:42:06,453
Speaker 2: that attend bafters are some of the worst people want

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00:42:06,493 --> 00:42:11,533
Speaker 2: to the most shallow and celebrated and pampered and egotistical

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00:42:11,653 --> 00:42:13,973
Speaker 2: and judgmental people on on the on the planet. Obviously

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00:42:13,973 --> 00:42:16,933
Speaker 2: we've all followed awards ceremonies to know that they're the

872
00:42:17,013 --> 00:42:23,133
Speaker 2: capital and the hunder games. Yes, but if it's it's

873
00:42:23,333 --> 00:42:26,373
Speaker 2: very complicated. But turets is a is a complicated thing,

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00:42:26,413 --> 00:42:28,853
Speaker 2: and there's and I think there was some studies saying

875
00:42:28,933 --> 00:42:31,213
Speaker 2: that one on one hundred people in New Zealand suffer

876
00:42:31,253 --> 00:42:33,813
Speaker 2: from from from touretts. Yes, And of course there's levels

877
00:42:33,813 --> 00:42:37,413
Speaker 2: of turettes, aren't there. So the type of turettes where

878
00:42:37,533 --> 00:42:40,373
Speaker 2: you involuntarily yell things out, which is the ones the

879
00:42:40,413 --> 00:42:45,253
Speaker 2: involuntary swearing and such, I think that's that's called coprow

880
00:42:45,333 --> 00:42:48,893
Speaker 2: lalia nice, which is which is just a form of it.

881
00:42:48,973 --> 00:42:51,413
Speaker 2: But but it goes all the way back to blinking,

882
00:42:51,853 --> 00:42:57,413
Speaker 2: head jerking, shoulder shrugging, throat clearing, grunting, repeating words. I mean,

883
00:42:57,453 --> 00:43:00,013
Speaker 2: most of us probably know someone with a take or

884
00:43:00,333 --> 00:43:05,333
Speaker 2: someone who can't stop making involuntary sounds. I know it.

885
00:43:05,493 --> 00:43:08,733
Speaker 2: Certainly a few old people in my life they're like

886
00:43:08,853 --> 00:43:14,933
Speaker 2: they're or making you know, you go somewhere with them

887
00:43:15,213 --> 00:43:17,373
Speaker 2: to the movies or something, and they make weird noises

888
00:43:17,413 --> 00:43:18,013
Speaker 2: all the way through it.

889
00:43:18,053 --> 00:43:20,853
Speaker 3: That's got to be involuntary. So living with tourets or

890
00:43:20,893 --> 00:43:23,533
Speaker 3: loving someone who has turets, keen to hear from you,

891
00:43:23,613 --> 00:43:25,812
Speaker 3: keen to share your story on O E one hundred

892
00:43:25,853 --> 00:43:26,933
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty.

893
00:43:27,253 --> 00:43:27,853
Speaker 5: What is it like?

894
00:43:28,173 --> 00:43:32,733
Speaker 3: Do you still feel uncomfortable going out in public? Do

895
00:43:32,773 --> 00:43:35,973
Speaker 3: you think enough people understand? Does this situation at the

896
00:43:35,973 --> 00:43:39,453
Speaker 3: Bafts kind of highlight the shallowness of what a lot

897
00:43:39,493 --> 00:43:43,133
Speaker 3: of people say that we understand and we can accept

898
00:43:43,253 --> 00:43:45,893
Speaker 3: Tourett's something like Tourette's, But when it really comes down

899
00:43:45,933 --> 00:43:48,613
Speaker 3: to it, are people just a bunch of hypocrite?

900
00:43:49,533 --> 00:43:49,692
Speaker 10: Well?

901
00:43:49,773 --> 00:43:51,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we've both got to be kind of honest,

902
00:43:51,853 --> 00:43:54,333
Speaker 2: because if you were somewhere quiet, say you were in

903
00:43:54,333 --> 00:43:57,692
Speaker 2: a library and I'm just making up a library, and

904
00:43:57,733 --> 00:44:01,693
Speaker 2: someone yelled out something really offensive, you would have to

905
00:44:01,693 --> 00:44:05,453
Speaker 2: be a saint just go, I don't even acknowledge that

906
00:44:05,453 --> 00:44:10,373
Speaker 2: that someone suffering from tourets. That does not even raise

907
00:44:10,853 --> 00:44:13,053
Speaker 2: any interest to me at all, because I am so

908
00:44:14,733 --> 00:44:18,293
Speaker 2: you know, understanding of everyone's conditions. Now, I mean equally,

909
00:44:18,333 --> 00:44:20,732
Speaker 2: we've got to be honest that that we aren't those

910
00:44:20,813 --> 00:44:23,253
Speaker 2: kind of people. There'd be very few people that you know,

911
00:44:23,733 --> 00:44:27,053
Speaker 2: someone walks down the street and yells a squear word

912
00:44:27,093 --> 00:44:29,693
Speaker 2: right in your face that you're not going to acknowledge it,

913
00:44:29,733 --> 00:44:32,293
Speaker 2: and go, well, that's at least weird.

914
00:44:32,813 --> 00:44:35,413
Speaker 3: You would tell people when you got home of that incident,

915
00:44:35,413 --> 00:44:37,732
Speaker 3: for example, But oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty,

916
00:44:37,853 --> 00:44:40,652
Speaker 3: share your story if you live with Tourette's ticks or

917
00:44:40,773 --> 00:44:42,733
Speaker 3: someone you loved, U is really keen to have that

918
00:44:42,893 --> 00:44:44,933
Speaker 3: chat with you. Coming up next, though, we are going

919
00:44:44,933 --> 00:44:48,453
Speaker 3: to speak to Emmy Henderson, general manager for Tourett's Association

920
00:44:48,693 --> 00:44:51,413
Speaker 3: of New Zealand. Plenty of questions for her. That is

921
00:44:51,453 --> 00:44:55,813
Speaker 3: coming next. It is twelve past two, your home.

922
00:44:55,573 --> 00:44:59,813
Speaker 1: Of Afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons call, Oh,

923
00:44:59,893 --> 00:45:02,333
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talk, said be.

924
00:45:04,333 --> 00:45:07,413
Speaker 3: There's a quarter past too. So Tourette's campaigner John Davidson's

925
00:45:07,413 --> 00:45:10,853
Speaker 3: in voluntary explain at the Baptis is arguably shone a

926
00:45:10,933 --> 00:45:13,493
Speaker 3: light on a bigger issue, how little people really understand

927
00:45:13,533 --> 00:45:16,533
Speaker 3: about Tourette's syndrome. To discuss further, we are joined by

928
00:45:16,613 --> 00:45:20,213
Speaker 3: Emma Henderson. She is the general manager of Tourette's New Zealand.

929
00:45:20,253 --> 00:45:21,373
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, do you Emma?

930
00:45:22,013 --> 00:45:22,212
Speaker 5: Hi?

931
00:45:22,293 --> 00:45:23,493
Speaker 9: Good afternoon to you two.

932
00:45:23,813 --> 00:45:27,293
Speaker 2: Let's take it right back to basics. Emma, what exactly

933
00:45:27,373 --> 00:45:28,333
Speaker 2: is Tourette syndrome?

934
00:45:29,413 --> 00:45:32,853
Speaker 9: Thank you, this is great. So Tourette syndrome is a

935
00:45:33,133 --> 00:45:38,173
Speaker 9: neurological condition, first and foremost. It is a condition that

936
00:45:38,173 --> 00:45:43,252
Speaker 9: involves involuntary movements of sounds, So movements and sounds which

937
00:45:43,253 --> 00:45:47,293
Speaker 9: we call tips, and they are both physical and vocal.

938
00:45:47,333 --> 00:45:50,732
Speaker 9: So to have an actual diagnosis of Tourette syndrome as

939
00:45:50,733 --> 00:45:53,813
Speaker 9: opposed to a tip disorder, have to have both the

940
00:45:53,813 --> 00:45:58,493
Speaker 9: physical and vocal and for at least twelve months, and

941
00:45:58,533 --> 00:46:00,973
Speaker 9: then it has to have an onset before the age

942
00:46:00,973 --> 00:46:03,333
Speaker 9: of eighteen. So it's in a really difficult process to

943
00:46:03,373 --> 00:46:08,533
Speaker 9: get a diagnosis. And it is on a spectrum, so

944
00:46:08,533 --> 00:46:11,813
Speaker 9: to put it simply, it's not a habit, it's not

945
00:46:11,893 --> 00:46:15,093
Speaker 9: an attention seeking moment, and it's not a behavioral choice.

946
00:46:15,133 --> 00:46:16,613
Speaker 9: It's a neurological condition.

947
00:46:17,573 --> 00:46:19,893
Speaker 2: So everyone all knows someone who makes the odd and

948
00:46:19,973 --> 00:46:23,573
Speaker 2: voluntary noise. Often you know, older members of your families,

949
00:46:23,573 --> 00:46:27,252
Speaker 2: they have the humps and the reading and the clicks. Yeah,

950
00:46:28,773 --> 00:46:32,893
Speaker 2: is that so that's not to rets that that's something else?

951
00:46:33,133 --> 00:46:35,693
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying, Well.

952
00:46:35,333 --> 00:46:39,692
Speaker 9: It could be. So it is really difficult because interestingly,

953
00:46:39,813 --> 00:46:42,653
Speaker 9: a third of all people with tourets grow out of it,

954
00:46:42,693 --> 00:46:46,693
Speaker 9: a third carry on into adulthood with reduced capacity, and

955
00:46:46,733 --> 00:46:50,333
Speaker 9: the final third carry on with an adulthood same capacity.

956
00:46:50,533 --> 00:46:52,973
Speaker 9: So if you're talking about, you know, the older uncle

957
00:46:53,053 --> 00:46:55,693
Speaker 9: in the family that coughs and makes the noise, he

958
00:46:55,773 --> 00:46:58,093
Speaker 9: may have had tourets when he was younger, it wasn't

959
00:46:58,133 --> 00:47:01,252
Speaker 9: around then, it didn't have the diagnosis or anything like that.

960
00:47:01,613 --> 00:47:04,212
Speaker 9: Or they have a tech disorder, and we support those

961
00:47:04,253 --> 00:47:07,293
Speaker 9: as well as the direct association because it can be

962
00:47:07,493 --> 00:47:10,812
Speaker 9: just as affecting and confronting as actual truth.

963
00:47:11,293 --> 00:47:15,053
Speaker 3: Is it related to obsessive compulsive disorder or is that

964
00:47:15,133 --> 00:47:18,613
Speaker 3: in a similar area related?

965
00:47:19,013 --> 00:47:23,133
Speaker 9: It's not related. However, sixty to eighty percent those instead

966
00:47:23,133 --> 00:47:26,652
Speaker 9: of stats do have of people with Tourette syndrome do

967
00:47:26,813 --> 00:47:32,493
Speaker 9: have a coexisting condition, and that generally is OCD or ADHD.

968
00:47:32,773 --> 00:47:36,692
Speaker 9: So it is in the same sort of neurological vein, yes,

969
00:47:37,413 --> 00:47:38,973
Speaker 9: but different diagnoses.

970
00:47:39,213 --> 00:47:42,692
Speaker 2: Do people know that they're doing it? It's involuntary, But

971
00:47:42,933 --> 00:47:46,453
Speaker 2: do they know they've made the sound? Do they know

972
00:47:46,533 --> 00:47:49,453
Speaker 2: they're about to make it? What's their sort of awareness

973
00:47:49,453 --> 00:47:50,172
Speaker 2: of what's going on?

974
00:47:50,933 --> 00:47:54,413
Speaker 9: Really interesting question, that's a great question. So yes, they do.

975
00:47:54,813 --> 00:47:58,413
Speaker 9: You know they're through either the discomfort that it makes

976
00:47:58,813 --> 00:48:02,013
Speaker 9: them feel, the pain that it can cause themselves, or

977
00:48:02,093 --> 00:48:04,613
Speaker 9: obviously the noise that comes out, So they do know

978
00:48:04,693 --> 00:48:08,013
Speaker 9: they're feeling it. Interestingly, quite a number of people that

979
00:48:08,093 --> 00:48:11,093
Speaker 9: have tourettes have a thing called a premonitory urge, which

980
00:48:11,133 --> 00:48:14,533
Speaker 9: is it's like it's just feeling a sneeze coming on.

981
00:48:14,653 --> 00:48:16,253
Speaker 9: So you know, when you've got that moment where you're

982
00:48:16,293 --> 00:48:18,533
Speaker 9: building up snees and just like, I'll get that out,

983
00:48:19,173 --> 00:48:21,293
Speaker 9: that's what tan feel like. So they know they're going

984
00:48:21,333 --> 00:48:23,093
Speaker 9: to have it, and then when they do the tip,

985
00:48:23,173 --> 00:48:26,373
Speaker 9: it does provide a release in station very similar to

986
00:48:26,453 --> 00:48:29,453
Speaker 9: a sneeze. In fact, you can almost like in turetts

987
00:48:29,653 --> 00:48:32,253
Speaker 9: and the tick and then voluntary nature of it to

988
00:48:32,373 --> 00:48:34,493
Speaker 9: a sneeze. You know, no one's going to choose in

989
00:48:34,573 --> 00:48:37,732
Speaker 9: your season. Often it's at the most inopportune time and

990
00:48:37,933 --> 00:48:41,212
Speaker 9: you know it just happens. And that's really a good

991
00:48:41,213 --> 00:48:42,613
Speaker 9: way of thinking about a tip.

992
00:48:43,893 --> 00:48:47,812
Speaker 2: Talk us through, and I apologize if I pronounce this wrong,

993
00:48:47,853 --> 00:48:50,613
Speaker 2: but Cop Prolalia as am I saying that correctly?

994
00:48:51,333 --> 00:48:52,693
Speaker 9: Well, Cop fromalia.

995
00:48:52,773 --> 00:48:58,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so talk us through that kind of tourette,

996
00:48:58,133 --> 00:49:01,133
Speaker 2: the kind that this John Davidson suffers from.

997
00:49:01,933 --> 00:49:02,253
Speaker 5: Yeah.

998
00:49:02,373 --> 00:49:05,533
Speaker 9: And interestingly, the type the type that we are sort

999
00:49:05,533 --> 00:49:09,933
Speaker 9: of and I'll do inverted sort of is famous for, right,

1000
00:49:10,853 --> 00:49:14,493
Speaker 9: it's what we're known for. So cot polalia or coppolalia

1001
00:49:15,013 --> 00:49:18,692
Speaker 9: is actually only affecting ten percent of the people living

1002
00:49:18,693 --> 00:49:21,173
Speaker 9: with to rep So that's really a key point. We

1003
00:49:21,253 --> 00:49:26,693
Speaker 9: need to make it across. And it is obscene words

1004
00:49:26,693 --> 00:49:30,493
Speaker 9: and language, and it is obscene, so direct with them

1005
00:49:30,493 --> 00:49:33,652
Speaker 9: about one and one hundred people. Recent studies out of

1006
00:49:33,653 --> 00:49:36,533
Speaker 9: America are saying it's in one in sistem picks intrests

1007
00:49:37,533 --> 00:49:40,133
Speaker 9: and so cot polaria is ten percent of those. So

1008
00:49:40,213 --> 00:49:41,813
Speaker 9: it's not a huge amount, but it is what we

1009
00:49:41,853 --> 00:49:44,413
Speaker 9: are famous for, and it is represented in the media

1010
00:49:45,093 --> 00:49:47,773
Speaker 9: and comes across and social media is often comedic, and

1011
00:49:47,813 --> 00:49:52,213
Speaker 9: it's not always for the person living with it. And

1012
00:49:52,293 --> 00:49:54,253
Speaker 9: this has all come about obviously because of the factors.

1013
00:49:54,333 --> 00:49:57,973
Speaker 9: So and we'll take this opportunity to raise to raise

1014
00:49:58,013 --> 00:50:00,733
Speaker 9: awareness where we can. So we welcome this discussion and

1015
00:50:00,773 --> 00:50:04,373
Speaker 9: we thank you for bringing it to light. One really

1016
00:50:04,533 --> 00:50:10,453
Speaker 9: helpful way to understand coppolalia is in this situation, everybody

1017
00:50:10,533 --> 00:50:13,133
Speaker 9: on the planet knows the words that was used because

1018
00:50:13,373 --> 00:50:17,053
Speaker 9: we know it has been taught it in everybody's brain. However,

1019
00:50:17,133 --> 00:50:21,692
Speaker 9: knowing the word is different from using it. It's we

1020
00:50:21,773 --> 00:50:23,613
Speaker 9: know that it's something that sits in the brain and

1021
00:50:23,653 --> 00:50:26,173
Speaker 9: we know not to say it, and as someone without turets,

1022
00:50:26,253 --> 00:50:30,373
Speaker 9: we have the ability to control and keep those words

1023
00:50:30,453 --> 00:50:33,013
Speaker 9: safely way where they belong and the recesses of the

1024
00:50:33,013 --> 00:50:35,453
Speaker 9: brain and not on the tongue. For someone with tourets,

1025
00:50:35,453 --> 00:50:38,453
Speaker 9: and in particular copper lalia, the difficulty is not the

1026
00:50:38,533 --> 00:50:42,813
Speaker 9: thought or the word itself, but the neurological impulse to vocalize.

1027
00:50:42,853 --> 00:50:46,613
Speaker 9: It is a neurological impulse, especially in really high times

1028
00:50:46,613 --> 00:50:50,252
Speaker 9: of streets or tension or anxiety, because it really does

1029
00:50:50,373 --> 00:50:54,533
Speaker 9: increase in heightened attention. So what happens is basically the

1030
00:50:54,573 --> 00:50:57,573
Speaker 9: brain misfires and it reaches the language that is often

1031
00:50:57,613 --> 00:51:03,253
Speaker 9: the most socially charged or emotionally loaded because those words

1032
00:51:03,293 --> 00:51:07,773
Speaker 9: carry such neurological weight. So it's why it can sometimes

1033
00:51:07,813 --> 00:51:12,413
Speaker 9: seem very pointed or loaded to the relevant situations, and

1034
00:51:12,453 --> 00:51:15,293
Speaker 9: it's really highlighting numerous times in the movie that is

1035
00:51:15,333 --> 00:51:17,732
Speaker 9: about John Davidson is when you get to watch the movie,

1036
00:51:17,773 --> 00:51:20,252
Speaker 9: which is coming out in March and New Zealand, I've

1037
00:51:20,253 --> 00:51:23,093
Speaker 9: been lucky enough to say it a few times. It

1038
00:51:23,293 --> 00:51:25,893
Speaker 9: shows that this isn't his first occurrence of that. He

1039
00:51:25,933 --> 00:51:28,413
Speaker 9: did it to the queen when he got his oba,

1040
00:51:29,573 --> 00:51:32,613
Speaker 9: it's not the first time. So it's really important to

1041
00:51:32,693 --> 00:51:37,813
Speaker 9: understand here that the words are not connected to their

1042
00:51:37,893 --> 00:51:42,053
Speaker 9: belief or intent. They are a symptom of tourette. And

1043
00:51:42,093 --> 00:51:45,133
Speaker 9: the person understands that the meaning and impact of the

1044
00:51:45,213 --> 00:51:49,253
Speaker 9: language they understand just as much as anyone else. And

1045
00:51:49,333 --> 00:51:51,893
Speaker 9: it's but it's not what they believe. You know, he

1046
00:51:51,933 --> 00:51:54,693
Speaker 9: didn't he didn't intend to hurt.

1047
00:51:55,613 --> 00:51:58,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the bit that I think people find

1048
00:51:58,413 --> 00:52:01,773
Speaker 2: so hard to get their head round because and you've

1049
00:52:01,813 --> 00:52:04,133
Speaker 2: got celebrities like Jamie Fox who have said he knew

1050
00:52:04,173 --> 00:52:07,933
Speaker 2: what he was saying, and so that that's hard. So

1051
00:52:08,413 --> 00:52:13,053
Speaker 2: you're saying the motivation is almost the fact that the

1052
00:52:13,093 --> 00:52:17,652
Speaker 2: word is potentially the word's worst word to say. It

1053
00:52:17,693 --> 00:52:21,253
Speaker 2: isn't the motivation, but that is what causes it to

1054
00:52:21,293 --> 00:52:22,692
Speaker 2: be saying it said if you know what I mean?

1055
00:52:22,773 --> 00:52:26,253
Speaker 9: So that because it's yes, they live their life saying

1056
00:52:26,533 --> 00:52:28,773
Speaker 9: don't say the worst thing. Don't say the worst thing.

1057
00:52:28,853 --> 00:52:31,413
Speaker 9: I mean, I like in it to me sitting next

1058
00:52:31,413 --> 00:52:34,213
Speaker 9: to a block of chocolate. If I say don't eat chocolate,

1059
00:52:34,293 --> 00:52:36,133
Speaker 9: don't eat the chocolate, I'm going to eat the chocolate

1060
00:52:36,173 --> 00:52:38,813
Speaker 9: and think of nothing. But and it's a little bit

1061
00:52:38,893 --> 00:52:41,933
Speaker 9: like when you say to someone with tourette, stop ticking,

1062
00:52:43,653 --> 00:52:47,693
Speaker 9: They're going to tick more, and in an uncomfortable situation, unfortunately,

1063
00:52:47,733 --> 00:52:50,973
Speaker 9: it really does heighten. We are totally aware that this

1064
00:52:51,133 --> 00:52:55,133
Speaker 9: is a really difficult thing to get for people to

1065
00:52:55,213 --> 00:52:57,053
Speaker 9: understand and get their head around it. We are not

1066
00:52:57,213 --> 00:53:00,493
Speaker 9: dismissing it. We're not dismissing the impact of the language.

1067
00:53:01,293 --> 00:53:04,973
Speaker 9: We're trying to explain that these words do carry weight

1068
00:53:05,013 --> 00:53:07,413
Speaker 9: when they are said with intent. And in the case

1069
00:53:07,453 --> 00:53:10,253
Speaker 9: of Tourette and for Lalia, it is not with intent.

1070
00:53:10,413 --> 00:53:13,732
Speaker 9: And I surround myself with our community day and day out,

1071
00:53:13,773 --> 00:53:16,333
Speaker 9: and I grew up with us as a sibling of Tourette.

1072
00:53:17,533 --> 00:53:20,213
Speaker 9: It is not with intent. It is an impulse. It

1073
00:53:20,293 --> 00:53:21,853
Speaker 9: is a condition. It's not a belief.

1074
00:53:22,013 --> 00:53:24,093
Speaker 2: It's almost the opposite in a way, isn't it, Because

1075
00:53:24,133 --> 00:53:26,533
Speaker 2: you're yelling out the thing that you think is the

1076
00:53:26,573 --> 00:53:29,733
Speaker 2: worst thing. So you've almost made the opposite value judgment

1077
00:53:29,773 --> 00:53:31,692
Speaker 2: for yelling it out, and that's a really hard thing

1078
00:53:31,733 --> 00:53:33,773
Speaker 2: to get your head around. You're like, this is the

1079
00:53:33,813 --> 00:53:36,613
Speaker 2: worst possible thing to say, So I've made a moral

1080
00:53:36,693 --> 00:53:39,053
Speaker 2: judgment that this is somewhere in my brain a moral

1081
00:53:39,173 --> 00:53:41,333
Speaker 2: judgment has been made that this is a terrible thing,

1082
00:53:41,773 --> 00:53:43,733
Speaker 2: and then I'm going to yell yell it out. And

1083
00:53:43,773 --> 00:53:49,373
Speaker 2: so in that circumstance, someone like John Davidson, and you

1084
00:53:49,413 --> 00:53:51,732
Speaker 2: know he's getting vilified at this point, but you've got

1085
00:53:51,733 --> 00:53:54,333
Speaker 2: to say, he must must have known when he's going

1086
00:53:54,413 --> 00:53:56,893
Speaker 2: in there that there was a huge chance that something

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Speaker 2: like this would happen. So he that's an incredibly brave

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00:54:02,533 --> 00:54:04,973
Speaker 2: thing for him to do, is to go out in

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00:54:05,053 --> 00:54:08,893
Speaker 2: public at all, let alone out in public, tell advised

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Speaker 2: with in a huge important event, with there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of media focus.

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Speaker 9: You just gave me goose pimples by saying brave rather

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00:54:16,893 --> 00:54:18,573
Speaker 9: than foolish, which is a lot of people are saying.

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Speaker 9: So I really want to thank you for using that word.

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Speaker 2: John.

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Speaker 9: Speaking of John, he has a kind of tourettes or

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00:54:25,373 --> 00:54:27,453
Speaker 9: all turets is difficult to live with. Let's put it

1098
00:54:27,493 --> 00:54:30,413
Speaker 9: out there, whether it can be affecting your motor skills

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00:54:30,453 --> 00:54:34,252
Speaker 9: because you can't do handwriting because you're ticking. You can't

1100
00:54:34,293 --> 00:54:37,053
Speaker 9: get a job as a waiter because you can't carry glasses,

1101
00:54:37,253 --> 00:54:39,893
Speaker 9: you can't read things out loud because your eyes are ticking.

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00:54:40,333 --> 00:54:42,493
Speaker 9: John has a kind of tourettes that has cost him

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00:54:42,653 --> 00:54:44,733
Speaker 9: so much across his life. I mean, we're talking, and

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00:54:44,773 --> 00:54:46,653
Speaker 9: I've seen this movie. Like I said, so I'm speaking

1105
00:54:46,733 --> 00:54:52,493
Speaker 9: from the movie. It's cost him friendships, his own personal safety, education,

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00:54:53,413 --> 00:54:56,373
Speaker 9: employment relationships, you know, or just the chance of whatever

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00:54:56,373 --> 00:54:59,652
Speaker 9: a normal life means. Yet he has chosen to put

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00:54:59,693 --> 00:55:02,333
Speaker 9: himself out there in front of cameras, in front of

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00:55:02,413 --> 00:55:05,453
Speaker 9: other people with judgment, and in front of missing, smalled

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00:55:05,493 --> 00:55:09,413
Speaker 9: people to try and explain and educate. And you know,

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Speaker 9: this is a situation that is redefining him after his.

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00:55:13,013 --> 00:55:13,813
Speaker 16: Years of work.

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Speaker 9: So the fact that he did attend the event, people

1114
00:55:17,413 --> 00:55:20,893
Speaker 9: were spoken to beforehand. At the event, there was a

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00:55:20,893 --> 00:55:23,293
Speaker 9: two hour delay, so that's something that needs to be addressed.

1116
00:55:23,333 --> 00:55:25,212
Speaker 9: Obviously that did make it to air.

1117
00:55:25,813 --> 00:55:30,533
Speaker 2: That's alazing that happened, right, John did.

1118
00:55:30,453 --> 00:55:33,853
Speaker 9: Attend the event with the never with the intention I'm

1119
00:55:33,853 --> 00:55:37,373
Speaker 9: sure to upset anyone. But this is a movie about

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00:55:37,413 --> 00:55:40,293
Speaker 9: his life that he was the executor for producer on,

1121
00:55:41,053 --> 00:55:43,773
Speaker 9: and you know he deserved to have space in that

1122
00:55:43,933 --> 00:55:46,573
Speaker 9: room ahead of many other people that were in that room.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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00:55:47,733 --> 00:55:50,213
Speaker 9: So it is brave of him, and it's risky, and

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00:55:50,253 --> 00:55:52,453
Speaker 9: it's also brave of the people that are coming out

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Speaker 9: to learn more about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Emma, we're really enjoying this chat and we're getting

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00:55:57,933 --> 00:56:00,453
Speaker 3: a lot of great feedback. Well, please, that's what we're

1129
00:56:00,453 --> 00:56:01,933
Speaker 3: going to ask you next. You're right to hang with

1130
00:56:02,013 --> 00:56:03,413
Speaker 3: us for another couple of minutes. We've just got to

1131
00:56:03,413 --> 00:56:05,373
Speaker 3: place start some ads and we're going to carry this

1132
00:56:05,493 --> 00:56:08,693
Speaker 3: on your graves. We're speaking to Emmy Henderson, the general

1133
00:56:08,693 --> 00:56:11,333
Speaker 3: manager of Tourett's New Zealand More. Very shortly, it's twenty

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00:56:11,333 --> 00:56:11,973
Speaker 3: six past two.

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00:56:12,893 --> 00:56:15,013
Speaker 2: Are you a fisherman, a diver or a kayaker?

1136
00:56:15,213 --> 00:56:17,053
Speaker 3: However you're heading out on the water the summer, keep

1137
00:56:17,053 --> 00:56:19,333
Speaker 3: an eye out for boy Boy. You're friendly reminded to

1138
00:56:19,373 --> 00:56:20,773
Speaker 3: stay safe before you launch.

1139
00:56:20,893 --> 00:56:23,613
Speaker 2: You'll spot Boy Boy bobbing around out there, popping up

1140
00:56:23,613 --> 00:56:26,733
Speaker 2: to remind you of the three big rules of water.

1141
00:56:27,013 --> 00:56:27,453
Speaker 4: Rule one.

1142
00:56:27,493 --> 00:56:30,613
Speaker 3: Life jackets on life jackets look better on rather we're

1143
00:56:30,613 --> 00:56:32,533
Speaker 3: in one as the simplest and most effective way to

1144
00:56:32,533 --> 00:56:35,613
Speaker 3: protect yourself. Rule too, the marine weather forecast won't check

1145
00:56:35,653 --> 00:56:38,013
Speaker 3: itself before you head out, Take a moment to look

1146
00:56:38,093 --> 00:56:40,613
Speaker 3: up the latest conditions so you're not called by surprise.

1147
00:56:40,733 --> 00:56:43,333
Speaker 3: And rule three always take two waterproof ways to call

1148
00:56:43,373 --> 00:56:45,373
Speaker 3: for help. A locator beacon and a phone sealed in

1149
00:56:45,413 --> 00:56:47,293
Speaker 3: a plastic bag make all the difference.

1150
00:56:47,893 --> 00:56:50,693
Speaker 2: Preparation is the key to staying safe, Tyler.

1151
00:56:50,573 --> 00:56:53,413
Speaker 3: So before you push off, paddle out or drop a line,

1152
00:56:53,453 --> 00:56:55,493
Speaker 3: remember be sure before you.

1153
00:56:55,533 --> 00:56:56,453
Speaker 2: Leave the shore.

1154
00:57:01,133 --> 00:57:04,493
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1155
00:57:04,493 --> 00:57:06,453
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

1156
00:57:06,973 --> 00:57:09,293
Speaker 3: It is half pasted too and we are joined by

1157
00:57:09,293 --> 00:57:12,493
Speaker 3: Emma Henderson. She is the general manager of Tourette's New

1158
00:57:12,613 --> 00:57:15,013
Speaker 3: Zealand and having a great discussion obviously on the back

1159
00:57:15,253 --> 00:57:18,613
Speaker 3: of the headlines that the incident at the Bathter's is causing. Emma,

1160
00:57:18,653 --> 00:57:20,253
Speaker 3: thank you very much again for your time.

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Speaker 9: My pleasure.

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00:57:22,053 --> 00:57:24,853
Speaker 2: Now, how common is Turet's in New Zealand.

1163
00:57:26,493 --> 00:57:29,853
Speaker 9: Yeah, look, we just go on the international stacks because

1164
00:57:29,973 --> 00:57:33,133
Speaker 9: research is making a New Zealand research is backing globally honestly.

1165
00:57:33,613 --> 00:57:35,893
Speaker 9: So the research is one in one hundred, but the

1166
00:57:35,893 --> 00:57:39,613
Speaker 9: CDC have come out in one and fifty live with

1167
00:57:39,653 --> 00:57:43,853
Speaker 9: touretl tics. The difficulty here is it's really difficult to

1168
00:57:43,853 --> 00:57:48,933
Speaker 9: get a diagnosis because if someone comes presenting with coughing, spluttering,

1169
00:57:48,973 --> 00:57:53,773
Speaker 9: you often go down a enos and throat specialist. It's

1170
00:57:53,813 --> 00:57:57,093
Speaker 9: a journey, and then once you have a diagnosis, it

1171
00:57:57,253 --> 00:57:59,813
Speaker 9: doesn't actually give you anything because there's no treatment. There's

1172
00:57:59,853 --> 00:58:02,813
Speaker 9: no cure, there's no financial support, there's no wrap around support,

1173
00:58:02,813 --> 00:58:07,053
Speaker 9: there's no government support. It's just saying this person is

1174
00:58:07,093 --> 00:58:10,653
Speaker 9: not doing it on purpose, they have a neurological condition.

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00:58:12,093 --> 00:58:15,653
Speaker 9: So you know, it is increasing in terms of the rates,

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00:58:15,693 --> 00:58:17,893
Speaker 9: and we are getting so many more people reaching out

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00:58:17,933 --> 00:58:20,133
Speaker 9: to us, and we welcome that they don't have to

1178
00:58:20,173 --> 00:58:22,933
Speaker 9: never diagnosis to reach out to us. We'll support them

1179
00:58:22,933 --> 00:58:26,133
Speaker 9: in any way we can. We present to teachers and

1180
00:58:26,293 --> 00:58:29,853
Speaker 9: schools who are really really clean to know more and

1181
00:58:29,893 --> 00:58:32,733
Speaker 9: how they can support the student in the classroom, and

1182
00:58:32,813 --> 00:58:35,413
Speaker 9: more and more we're giving. Actually a lot of corporations

1183
00:58:35,453 --> 00:58:37,253
Speaker 9: come to us where I present to them to say

1184
00:58:37,293 --> 00:58:40,413
Speaker 9: how can you support them as either a client or

1185
00:58:40,453 --> 00:58:43,693
Speaker 9: a colleague. How can we provide wrap around support for

1186
00:58:43,733 --> 00:58:45,133
Speaker 9: someone living with this condition.

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00:58:46,293 --> 00:58:49,173
Speaker 2: Is I mean, there's obviously a variety. As we said,

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00:58:49,173 --> 00:58:55,453
Speaker 2: it's a huge difference between you know, what John Davidson

1189
00:58:55,493 --> 00:58:57,813
Speaker 2: has and what you know someone with you know, at

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00:58:57,613 --> 00:59:00,093
Speaker 2: the lower end of it in terms of its effect

1191
00:59:00,173 --> 00:59:05,053
Speaker 2: on their life. But what sort of treatments are there

1192
00:59:05,133 --> 00:59:07,613
Speaker 2: for tarets? And does all of it need treatment or

1193
00:59:07,653 --> 00:59:09,733
Speaker 2: is it some of it need acceptance?

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00:59:11,213 --> 00:59:11,533
Speaker 4: Great?

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00:59:11,813 --> 00:59:15,573
Speaker 9: Oh, loving your questions. Yeah, the biggest treatment, it's like

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00:59:15,653 --> 00:59:19,133
Speaker 9: you do it for another way, The biggest treatment is acceptant. Absolutely,

1197
00:59:19,533 --> 00:59:21,733
Speaker 9: let them tick. That's what we say. Please ignore it.

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00:59:21,933 --> 00:59:24,813
Speaker 9: Don't ignore the person because you're you know, you're risking

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00:59:24,893 --> 00:59:28,613
Speaker 9: ignoring an absolutely fantastic human being. But annoy their ignore

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00:59:28,653 --> 00:59:32,293
Speaker 9: their tick. There is no medication or treatment. You can

1201
00:59:32,373 --> 00:59:36,493
Speaker 9: do behavior therapies, but in a lot of cases, the

1202
00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:40,373
Speaker 9: person living with a tick isn't the one that's most

1203
00:59:40,373 --> 00:59:44,293
Speaker 9: put out. It's the people around them. Not always the case.

1204
00:59:44,333 --> 00:59:47,973
Speaker 9: We understand that. Really Again, interestingly, I say that it

1205
00:59:48,093 --> 00:59:49,693
Speaker 9: might not be interesting to most, but it is to me.

1206
00:59:49,813 --> 00:59:53,173
Speaker 9: Is that it starts generally around six to eight years old,

1207
00:59:54,253 --> 00:59:58,333
Speaker 9: and it peaks during transition and puberty. Because puberty wasn't

1208
00:59:58,453 --> 01:00:02,253
Speaker 9: rough enough. But let's make these ticks peak, shall we.

1209
01:00:02,453 --> 01:00:05,213
Speaker 9: So it's that just goes to show that it's really

1210
01:00:05,293 --> 01:00:07,693
Speaker 9: you know, around the environment and things like that as

1211
01:00:07,693 --> 01:00:11,493
Speaker 9: well the school exams they can take. Someone is stressed

1212
01:00:11,493 --> 01:00:13,693
Speaker 9: about something. So you know, I imagine John sitting in

1213
01:00:13,733 --> 01:00:16,013
Speaker 9: the audience there the other night, you know, with all

1214
01:00:16,053 --> 01:00:19,693
Speaker 9: the anxiety the world is looking at his movie about him,

1215
01:00:19,853 --> 01:00:22,173
Speaker 9: so it is peaking and he can't control it. Like

1216
01:00:22,253 --> 01:00:25,613
Speaker 9: they said, So the most the biggest treatment that you

1217
01:00:25,693 --> 01:00:28,813
Speaker 9: just said is understanding and acceptance and letting them tick.

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01:00:29,773 --> 01:00:32,813
Speaker 2: And how hard is it for family members of people

1219
01:00:32,853 --> 01:00:33,453
Speaker 2: with turetts.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so we call it living with threats because it

1221
01:00:37,293 --> 01:00:39,773
Speaker 9: is more than just a person with tourette. So I

1222
01:00:39,853 --> 01:00:42,653
Speaker 9: personally am a sibling of tourettes. I grew up with

1223
01:00:42,733 --> 01:00:44,893
Speaker 9: my brother having tourettes and who has gone on to

1224
01:00:44,893 --> 01:00:48,213
Speaker 9: have a couple of his children have tourets. Because it

1225
01:00:48,253 --> 01:00:51,853
Speaker 9: does have a family sort of genetic component to it.

1226
01:00:51,853 --> 01:00:55,533
Speaker 9: It does affect everyone, you know, and it's not a

1227
01:00:55,573 --> 01:00:57,893
Speaker 9: reflection of a home line. It's not a reflection of

1228
01:00:57,933 --> 01:01:00,253
Speaker 9: school life. If someone ticks more at home than they

1229
01:01:00,253 --> 01:01:03,493
Speaker 9: do at school, it's not a reflection of anything that's

1230
01:01:03,533 --> 01:01:06,173
Speaker 9: going on in their life. Again, it is a neurological

1231
01:01:06,333 --> 01:01:11,413
Speaker 9: conditions can be distracting, you know, sitting there watching a

1232
01:01:11,453 --> 01:01:15,253
Speaker 9: movie with someone ticking around you. It also can be triggered,

1233
01:01:15,453 --> 01:01:20,453
Speaker 9: So people with can often have triggers that make them

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01:01:20,813 --> 01:01:24,533
Speaker 9: more severe or heighten their turet at the moment. There

1235
01:01:24,573 --> 01:01:27,653
Speaker 9: is one of our community who's unfortunately their trigger is

1236
01:01:27,693 --> 01:01:30,893
Speaker 9: their sister, So when the sister walks in the room,

1237
01:01:31,333 --> 01:01:33,973
Speaker 9: they're a lot more triggered. A person can be a trigger,

1238
01:01:34,093 --> 01:01:37,053
Speaker 9: a stress can be a trigger, lots of different things.

1239
01:01:37,293 --> 01:01:40,573
Speaker 9: But yeah, it's difficult for the whole family because no

1240
01:01:40,613 --> 01:01:43,373
Speaker 9: one wants to sit there and see their own child suffering.

1241
01:01:44,413 --> 01:01:47,813
Speaker 2: And Emma, how would people connect with Treet's New Zealand

1242
01:01:48,333 --> 01:01:49,293
Speaker 2: if they need support?

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01:01:50,213 --> 01:01:53,333
Speaker 9: Yep, absolutely we are head to offer support. So visit

1244
01:01:53,413 --> 01:01:56,733
Speaker 9: tourets dot org dot NZ and you can reach out

1245
01:01:56,733 --> 01:01:58,853
Speaker 9: to us through there. I am, at the drop of

1246
01:01:58,893 --> 01:02:01,973
Speaker 9: a hat, available to help anyone, to give presentations, to

1247
01:02:02,053 --> 01:02:05,413
Speaker 9: introduce you to our community, to talk to others. We

1248
01:02:05,493 --> 01:02:08,333
Speaker 9: operate a thing called Camp Twitch in the September school

1249
01:02:08,413 --> 01:02:12,133
Speaker 9: holidays that we're bringing back this year, where families can attend,

1250
01:02:12,213 --> 01:02:16,573
Speaker 9: including siblings, and we just offer a week where people

1251
01:02:16,573 --> 01:02:20,573
Speaker 9: with to rect can just be themselves. So we encourage

1252
01:02:20,613 --> 01:02:23,453
Speaker 9: anyone that's wanting to meet other people to get in

1253
01:02:23,493 --> 01:02:25,653
Speaker 9: touch with us about Camp Twitch and if anyone wants

1254
01:02:25,653 --> 01:02:27,933
Speaker 9: to spot through us for Camp Twitch, come on board.

1255
01:02:28,733 --> 01:02:30,773
Speaker 9: But it's just a chance for people with to reck

1256
01:02:31,093 --> 01:02:33,773
Speaker 9: just to feel accepted and amongst themselves and not to

1257
01:02:33,893 --> 01:02:35,573
Speaker 9: feel isolated.

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01:02:35,853 --> 01:02:38,133
Speaker 3: Y Emma, thank you very much for joining us. It's

1259
01:02:38,133 --> 01:02:40,613
Speaker 3: been an enlightening chat. Really appreciate your time and we'll

1260
01:02:40,653 --> 01:02:41,453
Speaker 3: catch up again soon.

1261
01:02:42,173 --> 01:02:43,893
Speaker 9: Thank you for your compassion. Thank you very much.

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01:02:43,973 --> 01:02:47,453
Speaker 3: That is Emmi Kinderson, the general manager of Tourette's New Zealand.

1263
01:02:47,533 --> 01:02:49,893
Speaker 3: So keen to hear from you Tourette's and tics, living

1264
01:02:49,933 --> 01:02:53,253
Speaker 3: with them or loving someone who does. What is your experience?

1265
01:02:53,333 --> 01:02:55,533
Speaker 3: Share your story? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1266
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Speaker 3: is that number to call? Headlines coming up?

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Speaker 8: Ethan Tyner Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen, and just a reminder of

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01:04:23,333 --> 01:04:25,573
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Speaker 3: If you need some help with today's clue, keep listening

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01:04:36,453 --> 01:04:38,733
Speaker 3: give you that clue very shortly. But back to our

1296
01:04:38,733 --> 01:04:43,413
Speaker 3: discussion about Tourette syndrome. This was after the controversial, controversial

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Speaker 3: to some Baftis moment where John Davidson, a renowned Tourette's

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Speaker 3: campaigner and the subject of the film I Swear Shelton

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Speaker 3: and expleted of on live TV. It wasn't deliberate, just

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Speaker 3: an involuntary tick. But there's been many in Hollywood that

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Speaker 3: have pushed back and criticized that particular incident at the Bafts.

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Speaker 3: But we are keen to chat with you. What is

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01:05:02,013 --> 01:05:05,213
Speaker 3: life with Tourette's really like? Whether that's you or someone

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01:05:05,253 --> 01:05:07,093
Speaker 3: you love. She your story? Oh one hundred and eighty

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01:05:07,133 --> 01:05:08,253
Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number to call?

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Speaker 2: The sexy says, My husband has started this noise when

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Speaker 2: we're watching TV. It's like a breath in but aggressive.

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Speaker 2: He can't stop, doesn't know why it started. I want

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Speaker 2: to be compassionate, but if I'm honest, it just pisses

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Speaker 2: me off? Is that bad of me? So I think

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Speaker 2: I know this noise. I think I've heard people with it.

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01:05:25,813 --> 01:05:29,573
Speaker 2: It's like a so someone will be watching TV or

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Speaker 2: anything and they're.

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Speaker 3: Just I recognize it now. Yeah, yeah, I know a

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01:05:33,853 --> 01:05:37,773
Speaker 3: few people like that. Yeah, just a quick inhale a breath.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And for some reason, I'm not trying to think

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01:05:40,653 --> 01:05:43,253
Speaker 2: about who who was doing it in my life because

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01:05:43,493 --> 01:05:46,853
Speaker 2: it's very distinctive in front of the television. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: that's I mean, that's probably a tick more than Tourette's.

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Speaker 2: But I mean very honest of this text, because we'd

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01:05:53,973 --> 01:05:56,373
Speaker 2: all like to be incredibly compassionate. But if you've got

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01:05:56,413 --> 01:05:59,293
Speaker 2: someone that's all the time.

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Speaker 3: Where you're trying to watch a movie or a TV shot.

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01:06:01,053 --> 01:06:04,453
Speaker 2: It's gonna Yeah, you know, you're allowed to feel it.

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01:06:04,533 --> 01:06:06,533
Speaker 2: Might not. You might wish you were the kind of

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01:06:06,533 --> 01:06:08,293
Speaker 2: person that wasn't annoyed by it and you were compared

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01:06:08,253 --> 01:06:11,813
Speaker 2: to about it. But you are going to be annoyed

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Speaker 2: by it.

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Speaker 3: You're human. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number of

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Speaker 3: call if you live with someone with Tourette's or someone

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01:06:18,933 --> 01:06:21,373
Speaker 3: you love really keen to have that chat with you.

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01:06:21,413 --> 01:06:23,053
Speaker 3: What is it like for you when you go out

1335
01:06:23,093 --> 01:06:25,853
Speaker 3: in public? Is that something that is incredibly well, it

1336
01:06:25,893 --> 01:06:27,573
Speaker 3: must be incredibly hard to do, of course it is.

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01:06:27,613 --> 01:06:31,093
Speaker 3: But what is the reaction from the general public? Because

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Speaker 3: I've got to I don't I can't recall a moment

1339
01:06:33,653 --> 01:06:37,733
Speaker 3: that I've been in public where someone who suffers from

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Speaker 3: how do you say it again?

1341
01:06:39,933 --> 01:06:40,053
Speaker 17: What?

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01:06:40,133 --> 01:06:43,373
Speaker 3: John David Balia, Yeah, I can't recall a moment that

1343
01:06:43,413 --> 01:06:46,173
Speaker 3: I've been in that situation. But how would I respond

1344
01:06:46,173 --> 01:06:46,893
Speaker 3: to that? I think?

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01:06:46,893 --> 01:06:49,053
Speaker 2: I I mean, I've seen people walking down the street

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01:06:49,133 --> 01:06:52,733
Speaker 2: yelling stuff. You know, I've definitely seen it, seen it,

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01:06:53,253 --> 01:06:55,853
Speaker 2: and but we've I mean, imagine it. You've just got

1348
01:06:55,853 --> 01:06:57,533
Speaker 2: to before you judge. And there's all these people, the

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01:06:57,613 --> 01:07:01,253
Speaker 2: texting and a judging this guy for what he yelled

1350
01:07:01,293 --> 01:07:03,373
Speaker 2: out at the betht Awards. But imagine if you were

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01:07:03,373 --> 01:07:05,013
Speaker 2: suffering from that. Imagine what they would do to your

1352
01:07:05,053 --> 01:07:08,573
Speaker 2: life if you suddenly had a neurological disorder where you know,

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01:07:08,693 --> 01:07:10,653
Speaker 2: especially when we live in a day and age where

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01:07:10,653 --> 01:07:14,093
Speaker 2: people think, you know, words can basically words of weapons

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01:07:14,093 --> 01:07:16,813
Speaker 2: and basically words of violence. So probably almost one of

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01:07:16,813 --> 01:07:19,053
Speaker 2: the worst times in history to be having this kind

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01:07:19,093 --> 01:07:21,533
Speaker 2: of situation, although I don't know, if you're running around

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01:07:21,533 --> 01:07:24,133
Speaker 2: in the Middle Ages, you'd probably probably get run through.

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Speaker 3: Could be worse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but can you imagine you've got to have some

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01:07:28,493 --> 01:07:30,213
Speaker 2: empathy for it. But there's so many levels of this

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01:07:30,293 --> 01:07:31,733
Speaker 2: kind of thing. Listen to this text here. I just

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01:07:31,813 --> 01:07:36,013
Speaker 2: started I have started just blinking all the time. I

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01:07:36,053 --> 01:07:38,453
Speaker 2: cannot stop. Doctor said it was stress, but the stress

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01:07:38,493 --> 01:07:42,293
Speaker 2: from this non non stop blinking is the worst. People

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01:07:42,373 --> 01:07:44,853
Speaker 2: can't look at me. I've known people like this as

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01:07:44,853 --> 01:07:48,173
Speaker 2: well that have just started going I mean that's terrible radio.

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Speaker 3: Blinking, blinking really fast, yeah, and quite aggressively.

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Speaker 2: And not slightly nodding the head. So we all know

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Speaker 2: these texts when you say them. When the person texted

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Speaker 2: the breathing one, we've all experienced someone A lot of

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01:07:59,293 --> 01:08:02,173
Speaker 2: people have experienced someone like that. And the blinking thing

1373
01:08:02,173 --> 01:08:05,013
Speaker 2: where you blink a lot and whilst nodding your head

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01:08:05,093 --> 01:08:08,173
Speaker 2: kind of very annoying if that kind of came in.

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01:08:08,453 --> 01:08:12,093
Speaker 2: And you know, the cop prelelia is just that but

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01:08:13,413 --> 01:08:17,133
Speaker 2: manifest itself and yelling out the most offensive thing in

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01:08:17,173 --> 01:08:20,173
Speaker 2: any given situation. Yeah, and you yell at because it

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01:08:20,253 --> 01:08:22,452
Speaker 2: is the most offensive thing. And it's almost, as we

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01:08:22,452 --> 01:08:26,452
Speaker 2: were saying to Emma before, it's almost like you're acknowledging

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01:08:26,612 --> 01:08:28,532
Speaker 2: that you think it's wrong by yelling it.

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01:08:28,772 --> 01:08:31,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, because do you do you acknowledge it? And do

1382
01:08:31,412 --> 01:08:34,372
Speaker 3: you say, hey, I notice that you're blinking a lot

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01:08:34,452 --> 01:08:36,772
Speaker 3: or you're making that noise, what's going on? I mean

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01:08:36,772 --> 01:08:39,173
Speaker 3: to me, it's like it's very different. But someone with

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01:08:39,253 --> 01:08:41,293
Speaker 3: a stutter, right is that. I know a few people

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01:08:41,293 --> 01:08:43,532
Speaker 3: who've got a stutter in my life. I would never

1387
01:08:44,173 --> 01:08:47,812
Speaker 3: interrupt them. If we having a conversation and they start stuttering,

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01:08:48,093 --> 01:08:50,452
Speaker 3: it's patience. You let them finish, let them get it out,

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01:08:50,652 --> 01:08:52,572
Speaker 3: and then they carry on. But I'd never acknowledge that

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01:08:52,652 --> 01:08:55,452
Speaker 3: and say you're right, you're stuttering quite badly, you.

1391
01:08:55,452 --> 01:08:55,812
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

1392
01:08:55,853 --> 01:08:58,732
Speaker 3: I feel it's rude to acknowledge that situation too.

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01:08:59,093 --> 01:09:01,293
Speaker 2: I mean, that's so tense when someone has a stutter.

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01:09:01,572 --> 01:09:03,812
Speaker 2: And I've known people with stutters and you've just got it,

1395
01:09:03,853 --> 01:09:07,293
Speaker 2: you know, been told that you have to not try

1396
01:09:07,333 --> 01:09:10,333
Speaker 2: and give them the word yes. So you're standing looking

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01:09:10,333 --> 01:09:14,372
Speaker 2: at them and you're feeling for them because they're thinking, oh,

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01:09:15,173 --> 01:09:17,492
Speaker 2: my mate is trying not to acknowledge that this is

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01:09:17,492 --> 01:09:19,652
Speaker 2: a starter because he's been told not to say that. Yes,

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01:09:19,732 --> 01:09:21,293
Speaker 2: so they know that you know that that you know

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01:09:21,372 --> 01:09:23,773
Speaker 2: that that they know that that you know not And it's.

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01:09:23,492 --> 01:09:24,532
Speaker 3: It's a tough situation.

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01:09:24,572 --> 01:09:26,612
Speaker 2: It's a very tough situation, and you can feel the

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01:09:26,772 --> 01:09:29,452
Speaker 2: pressure ramping up to the point where the stutter gets

1405
01:09:29,452 --> 01:09:33,452
Speaker 2: worse and worse. It is, it's it's quite something.

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01:09:33,492 --> 01:09:35,772
Speaker 3: It is complex. So I eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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01:09:35,853 --> 01:09:38,412
Speaker 3: life with turetts or ticks. If you have someone in

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01:09:38,452 --> 01:09:42,253
Speaker 3: your family who suffers from that syndrome, keen to hear

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Speaker 3: your story. It is a quarter past a quarter two

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Speaker 3: That'd be thirteen to three. So we're talking about life

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01:10:01,772 --> 01:10:04,093
Speaker 3: with Tourett's or texs. What is it really like for

1417
01:10:04,133 --> 01:10:06,293
Speaker 3: you or someone you love? I one hundred eighty ten

1418
01:10:06,333 --> 01:10:07,293
Speaker 3: eighty is that number to call?

1419
01:10:07,452 --> 01:10:11,173
Speaker 2: Hello, Sonya, thanks for calling in today, high Rows.

1420
01:10:12,013 --> 01:10:12,932
Speaker 3: Can you hear your story?

1421
01:10:14,013 --> 01:10:17,813
Speaker 18: Yeap, my son is eight, he'll be nine and April

1422
01:10:18,293 --> 01:10:22,412
Speaker 18: he is. He's autistic and one of his stems is nowing.

1423
01:10:23,253 --> 01:10:26,572
Speaker 18: So we'll be out and about and if I hear him,

1424
01:10:26,572 --> 01:10:28,452
Speaker 18: now I know it's him.

1425
01:10:28,692 --> 01:10:34,092
Speaker 2: And now like a like a like all right, yeah yeah.

1426
01:10:35,652 --> 01:10:37,973
Speaker 18: And I'm just like come on, catch, come on. He

1427
01:10:38,013 --> 01:10:41,213
Speaker 18: gets time to go if we're leaving somewhere. But I

1428
01:10:41,412 --> 01:10:44,293
Speaker 18: just will go with it. There's no point telling him

1429
01:10:44,293 --> 01:10:46,812
Speaker 18: not to do it. He does make He does make

1430
01:10:46,853 --> 01:10:49,412
Speaker 18: other noises as well, but that's his main kind of

1431
01:10:50,572 --> 01:10:51,572
Speaker 18: stem that he does.

1432
01:10:52,133 --> 01:10:54,412
Speaker 2: Have you talked to anyone about it? And if so,

1433
01:10:54,532 --> 01:10:57,253
Speaker 2: what have they said about it? What does it and

1434
01:10:57,333 --> 01:10:59,333
Speaker 2: what does it mean? And you know what's happen.

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01:10:59,652 --> 01:11:04,372
Speaker 18: Really he likes cats. It's what they call a stem,

1436
01:11:04,452 --> 01:11:07,452
Speaker 18: so that kind of comes comes him down about. He

1437
01:11:07,492 --> 01:11:09,892
Speaker 18: does make other noises like I said that, Yeah, that's

1438
01:11:09,933 --> 01:11:13,412
Speaker 18: definitely his main and I'll just be like, come on,

1439
01:11:13,492 --> 01:11:15,372
Speaker 18: put your head or sometimes I've even yelled.

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01:11:15,093 --> 01:11:18,013
Speaker 3: Back to him, yeah yeah, you're a lovely mom.

1441
01:11:18,652 --> 01:11:22,892
Speaker 18: I don't ever want him to feel embarrassed or different

1442
01:11:23,173 --> 01:11:27,213
Speaker 18: or I just encourage and speaking.

1443
01:11:26,853 --> 01:11:29,213
Speaker 2: Of works because obviously he's around his mum, who's lovely,

1444
01:11:29,612 --> 01:11:32,972
Speaker 2: but you know, other kids can be cool.

1445
01:11:33,093 --> 01:11:33,932
Speaker 18: He does it at school.

1446
01:11:33,973 --> 01:11:34,772
Speaker 9: He does it at school.

1447
01:11:35,253 --> 01:11:38,492
Speaker 18: He's got a new teacher this year, and he drew

1448
01:11:38,692 --> 01:11:40,572
Speaker 18: They were drawing pictures and part of his picture had

1449
01:11:40,612 --> 01:11:42,293
Speaker 18: a cat and I'm like, oh, yeah, he loves cats.

1450
01:11:42,293 --> 01:11:44,612
Speaker 18: And she said, yes, I heard this now the other

1451
01:11:44,732 --> 01:11:47,452
Speaker 18: day and I said, yep, there'll be James. Oh yeah,

1452
01:11:48,652 --> 01:11:52,612
Speaker 18: and yeah. All his friends know he does it, and

1453
01:11:52,732 --> 01:11:56,333
Speaker 18: they they're actually really good about it. They're really supportive.

1454
01:11:56,652 --> 01:11:58,652
Speaker 18: As far as I know. He's never been bullied. He's

1455
01:11:59,013 --> 01:12:03,333
Speaker 18: never said anything. And like I said, if he if

1456
01:12:03,732 --> 01:12:06,372
Speaker 18: we're out and about and I'll do it back sometimes

1457
01:12:06,612 --> 01:12:08,093
Speaker 18: or just come on, cat.

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01:12:09,612 --> 01:12:11,852
Speaker 2: Well, if John davidsoned me out at their befters, then

1459
01:12:11,853 --> 01:12:14,893
Speaker 2: we wouldn't be talking about it right now. Yeahing is

1460
01:12:14,973 --> 01:12:18,013
Speaker 2: quind of It's cute, you know, in terms of in

1461
01:12:18,093 --> 01:12:20,253
Speaker 2: terms in terms of a noise to be making. It's

1462
01:12:20,253 --> 01:12:22,412
Speaker 2: on the cutter end of the of the scale.

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01:12:22,532 --> 01:12:25,213
Speaker 18: Sometimes, like that lady that kicks him before, sometimes he

1464
01:12:25,293 --> 01:12:28,213
Speaker 18: does make a bit more annoying noises. Yeah, and I

1465
01:12:28,293 --> 01:12:29,812
Speaker 18: might let it go once or twice and then and

1466
01:12:29,893 --> 01:12:34,093
Speaker 18: be like Okay, that's that's that much. And hell but yeah,

1467
01:12:34,133 --> 01:12:36,933
Speaker 18: it's definitely the one. The number one.

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01:12:37,213 --> 01:12:39,692
Speaker 3: Have you ever had to, you know, someone out in

1469
01:12:39,732 --> 01:12:42,892
Speaker 3: public said anything and you've had to give them an education?

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01:12:45,933 --> 01:12:48,732
Speaker 18: I haven't. The other day someone kind of looked and

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01:12:48,772 --> 01:12:50,692
Speaker 18: I kind of actually wish I had got a bit

1472
01:12:50,772 --> 01:12:53,372
Speaker 18: upset with them because that annoyed me. My son didn't

1473
01:12:53,372 --> 01:12:57,093
Speaker 18: notice that, and nine times the time I don't really look.

1474
01:12:57,333 --> 01:13:00,532
Speaker 18: My focus is him, But I did see someone on

1475
01:13:00,532 --> 01:13:02,732
Speaker 18: the other day and that still now when I think

1476
01:13:02,772 --> 01:13:05,652
Speaker 18: about back on it, kind of really making fun of

1477
01:13:05,652 --> 01:13:06,773
Speaker 18: my son to his girlfriend.

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01:13:08,013 --> 01:13:09,932
Speaker 3: So thank you very much for giving us o rang.

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01:13:10,013 --> 01:13:12,012
Speaker 3: What a beautiful mum you are. Oh eight one hundred

1480
01:13:12,053 --> 01:13:13,133
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is that number.

1481
01:13:13,333 --> 01:13:15,412
Speaker 2: My son has been diagnosed with threats when he was

1482
01:13:15,492 --> 01:13:18,253
Speaker 2: about six or seven. He is now eighteen. He started

1483
01:13:18,253 --> 01:13:20,612
Speaker 2: with minor eye rolls and tapping, but has escalated to

1484
01:13:20,612 --> 01:13:23,293
Speaker 2: a violent head shake. His head will shake left right

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01:13:23,452 --> 01:13:26,452
Speaker 2: left within one second, will continue like this for maybe

1486
01:13:26,692 --> 01:13:30,652
Speaker 2: twenty thirty times per minute. Geez. It's awful to see

1487
01:13:30,692 --> 01:13:34,452
Speaker 2: and it's very frustrating. He is getting this every morning.

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01:13:34,452 --> 01:13:37,053
Speaker 2: At the moment, it's now affecting with not being able

1489
01:13:37,093 --> 01:13:38,893
Speaker 2: to go to school. The only thing to stop it

1490
01:13:39,013 --> 01:13:41,772
Speaker 2: is sedating medification putting him into a zombie state and

1491
01:13:41,812 --> 01:13:44,253
Speaker 2: then falling asleep for a couple of hours. Then he

1492
01:13:44,333 --> 01:13:47,253
Speaker 2: wakes up with a massive headache and sore neck. Is

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01:13:47,253 --> 01:13:49,892
Speaker 2: now affecting his mental health and he's feeling very depressed.

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01:13:50,053 --> 01:13:52,652
Speaker 3: It is debilitating. Yeah, I really hope you can get

1495
01:13:52,652 --> 01:13:54,372
Speaker 3: some more help with that. Oh, eight, one hundred eighty

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01:13:54,452 --> 01:13:56,692
Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number to call life with tourettes

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01:13:56,772 --> 01:13:59,892
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Speaker 3: here to help, you'll leave one.

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01:14:31,893 --> 01:14:35,372
Speaker 2: Of these behind if you're a messy person. That clue again,

1510
01:14:36,213 --> 01:14:40,333
Speaker 2: You'll leave one of these behind. If you're a messy person.

1511
01:14:40,412 --> 01:14:42,293
Speaker 3: There could be a lot of things make sure you

1512
01:14:42,333 --> 01:14:44,572
Speaker 3: were in to win for a trip for two to

1513
01:14:44,652 --> 01:14:47,173
Speaker 3: the Tour de France. Just go to Skoda dot Co

1514
01:14:47,333 --> 01:14:50,772
Speaker 3: dot NZ into today's a Scota code and you are

1515
01:14:50,812 --> 01:14:54,732
Speaker 3: in the drawer for that fantastic prize. Beaten to win.

1516
01:14:55,253 --> 01:14:58,053
Speaker 3: Right back to our discussion about Tourette's and texts, there's

1517
01:14:58,093 --> 01:15:00,253
Speaker 3: plenty of texts that have come through over the last hour.

1518
01:15:00,812 --> 01:15:02,892
Speaker 2: Just because you have Tourett's, that is no excuse. The

1519
01:15:02,973 --> 01:15:05,293
Speaker 2: rules applyit and supply to everyone. Says this text are

1520
01:15:05,293 --> 01:15:07,772
Speaker 2: by allowing this idiot to yell that at the oscars,

1521
01:15:07,772 --> 01:15:11,532
Speaker 2: you're allowing to be yelled everywhere. Pathetic. That is a

1522
01:15:11,732 --> 01:15:14,412
Speaker 2: that is a text from a muppet. If you not

1523
01:15:14,612 --> 01:15:16,973
Speaker 2: do you not understand what turetts is. The rules of

1524
01:15:17,013 --> 01:15:21,572
Speaker 2: politeness apply to everyone. That's like saying that the rules

1525
01:15:21,652 --> 01:15:25,093
Speaker 2: of eyesight apply to everyone and that everyone should be

1526
01:15:25,133 --> 01:15:26,893
Speaker 2: allowed to drive and not take into account that some

1527
01:15:26,933 --> 01:15:30,812
Speaker 2: people are blind man or the rules of you know,

1528
01:15:31,372 --> 01:15:34,333
Speaker 2: people being able to hear audible commands apply to everyone.

1529
01:15:34,853 --> 01:15:37,213
Speaker 2: That that the Turett's thing. That the last thing that

1530
01:15:37,213 --> 01:15:39,812
Speaker 2: that guy John Davidson wants to do is yell stuff out.

1531
01:15:40,253 --> 01:15:43,892
Speaker 2: That's the absolute last thing he wants to do. He's

1532
01:15:43,933 --> 01:15:49,852
Speaker 2: afflicted by like a terrible neurological disorder that has lost

1533
01:15:49,933 --> 01:15:52,892
Speaker 2: him so much in his life and now has made

1534
01:15:52,973 --> 01:15:59,053
Speaker 2: him a a subject of global ridicule and abuse, and

1535
01:15:59,133 --> 01:16:01,772
Speaker 2: a lot of that abuse coming from the most elite

1536
01:16:01,772 --> 01:16:04,932
Speaker 2: people on the world. You know, these these actors and

1537
01:16:05,853 --> 01:16:10,652
Speaker 2: famous celebrities. Yeah, so, yeah, you don't. You've sent a

1538
01:16:10,692 --> 01:16:11,692
Speaker 2: stupid text text.

1539
01:16:12,013 --> 01:16:15,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who

1540
01:16:15,133 --> 01:16:17,452
Speaker 3: text and called on that one. Coming up after three o'clock,

1541
01:16:17,692 --> 01:16:20,612
Speaker 3: we want to talk about the advice of following your passion?

1542
01:16:20,812 --> 01:16:24,932
Speaker 3: Is that rubbish? Well known author and businessman Scott Galloway

1543
01:16:25,013 --> 01:16:26,973
Speaker 3: thinks it is in a viral clip. We're going to

1544
01:16:26,973 --> 01:16:28,453
Speaker 3: play that for you next.

1545
01:16:29,652 --> 01:16:33,333
Speaker 1: Your home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Matt Heath

1546
01:16:33,333 --> 01:16:36,852
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams Afternoons with Skoda on News Talks.

1547
01:16:36,812 --> 01:16:40,133
Speaker 3: There be very good afternoons here. Welcome back into the show.

1548
01:16:40,133 --> 01:16:42,772
Speaker 3: It is six past three, So we want to talk

1549
01:16:42,812 --> 01:16:46,132
Speaker 3: about what has traditionally been age old advice of following

1550
01:16:46,492 --> 01:16:50,052
Speaker 3: your passion in life and your work. Is that actually

1551
01:16:50,053 --> 01:16:52,452
Speaker 3: the wrong advice to give young people? Well known author

1552
01:16:52,492 --> 01:16:55,492
Speaker 3: and businessman Scott Galloway. I think so in a clip

1553
01:16:55,572 --> 01:16:57,812
Speaker 3: that's gone viral, and here it is.

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01:16:58,492 --> 01:17:02,333
Speaker 19: Anyone who tells you to all your passion is already rich,

1555
01:17:07,973 --> 01:17:10,972
Speaker 19: and the guy telling you to follow your passion made

1556
01:17:11,053 --> 01:17:12,733
Speaker 19: his billions in iron or smelting.

1557
01:17:13,452 --> 01:17:14,253
Speaker 4: This is your job.

1558
01:17:14,973 --> 01:17:17,813
Speaker 19: Your job is to find your talent and then develop mastery.

1559
01:17:18,013 --> 01:17:20,293
Speaker 19: And in an industry that has a ninety plus percent

1560
01:17:20,333 --> 01:17:22,692
Speaker 19: employment rate, you want to be a model, an athlete,

1561
01:17:23,173 --> 01:17:24,852
Speaker 19: an actor. Just keep in mind if you don't get

1562
01:17:24,893 --> 01:17:27,093
Speaker 19: bright signals from a very early stage and you're in

1563
01:17:27,133 --> 01:17:30,493
Speaker 19: the point one percent, which don is, find an industry

1564
01:17:30,532 --> 01:17:33,133
Speaker 19: that's boring that you can develop mastery. You know what,

1565
01:17:33,133 --> 01:17:35,892
Speaker 19: You're going to become passionate about making a shit ton

1566
01:17:35,933 --> 01:17:37,213
Speaker 19: of money so you can take care of your kids

1567
01:17:37,213 --> 01:17:47,732
Speaker 19: and your parents. It is, It is terrible advice for

1568
01:17:47,853 --> 01:17:51,253
Speaker 19: young people. They're amazing industries. We're going to have five

1569
01:17:51,293 --> 01:17:55,412
Speaker 19: people leave vocational programming and only two are going into it.

1570
01:17:55,732 --> 01:17:57,572
Speaker 19: The two thirds of kids who don't have an opportunity

1571
01:17:57,572 --> 01:17:59,692
Speaker 19: to go to college have real opportunities. As long as

1572
01:17:59,732 --> 01:18:03,092
Speaker 19: we stop shaming kids who don't go into an elite

1573
01:18:03,093 --> 01:18:07,692
Speaker 19: college and end up in a romance industry, find your talent,

1574
01:18:07,893 --> 01:18:10,213
Speaker 19: find out what you're good at and what if you

1575
01:18:10,333 --> 01:18:12,973
Speaker 19: become a ninja master at something. The accouterments are that

1576
01:18:13,492 --> 01:18:16,692
Speaker 19: being relevant, making money, having a larger selection set of

1577
01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:19,732
Speaker 19: mates than you deserve will make you passionate about whatever

1578
01:18:19,853 --> 01:18:20,492
Speaker 19: that thing.

1579
01:18:20,452 --> 01:18:23,772
Speaker 3: Is always incredibly articulate and passionate. Scott Galloway.

1580
01:18:24,492 --> 01:18:27,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it. Because people are

1581
01:18:28,013 --> 01:18:29,892
Speaker 2: told to follow their dreams that you say to kids,

1582
01:18:29,893 --> 01:18:32,692
Speaker 2: find find your passion, you know, and people spend their

1583
01:18:32,692 --> 01:18:35,053
Speaker 2: whole life, you know, trying to find what that is.

1584
01:18:35,532 --> 01:18:38,213
Speaker 2: You know that people mess around to their forty trying

1585
01:18:38,253 --> 01:18:41,173
Speaker 2: to find what their calling in life is, what the

1586
01:18:41,253 --> 01:18:44,173
Speaker 2: thing that truly fulfills them, what the occupation is that

1587
01:18:44,173 --> 01:18:46,093
Speaker 2: that and they look around at other people. You've got

1588
01:18:46,133 --> 01:18:48,452
Speaker 2: You've got your You're following your dream, You're following your passion.

1589
01:18:49,372 --> 01:18:53,173
Speaker 2: He's saying, that's terrible advice. What he's saying is that

1590
01:18:53,213 --> 01:18:57,173
Speaker 2: you should be amazing in a boring industry and what

1591
01:18:57,213 --> 01:19:00,412
Speaker 2: people think is boring. So instead of trying to be,

1592
01:19:01,013 --> 01:19:02,692
Speaker 2: you know, ask kids what they want to be a

1593
01:19:02,692 --> 01:19:04,213
Speaker 2: lot of them now say that they want to be.

1594
01:19:04,452 --> 01:19:06,732
Speaker 2: There was a study where a huge percentage of kids

1595
01:19:06,772 --> 01:19:10,412
Speaker 2: wanted to be an assistant to a famous but a

1596
01:19:10,412 --> 01:19:13,253
Speaker 2: lot of other people want to be influencers or gamers,

1597
01:19:13,372 --> 01:19:15,652
Speaker 2: or they want to follow the thing that really really

1598
01:19:15,692 --> 01:19:19,692
Speaker 2: excites them, but what he's selling. Find out what you're

1599
01:19:19,732 --> 01:19:22,932
Speaker 2: good at and then and then go hard, and then

1600
01:19:23,213 --> 01:19:27,492
Speaker 2: the dream will come in your success in that area. So, like,

1601
01:19:27,772 --> 01:19:29,772
Speaker 2: just to explain a little bit better, it would be like,

1602
01:19:30,133 --> 01:19:33,333
Speaker 2: you know, someone thinks they're super talented, so you know,

1603
01:19:35,133 --> 01:19:39,412
Speaker 2: start a glamorous, sneaky company or something. I don't know.

1604
01:19:39,933 --> 01:19:42,652
Speaker 2: Follow you, Pat, you absolutely love sneakers. Yeah, that's a

1605
01:19:42,692 --> 01:19:45,412
Speaker 2: hard one to succeed in. But you could become the

1606
01:19:45,452 --> 01:19:51,613
Speaker 2: greatest renter of Portaloos. Yes, and you could revolutionize that industry.

1607
01:19:51,853 --> 01:19:55,572
Speaker 2: And the resistance to success in industries that aren't considered

1608
01:19:55,612 --> 01:20:00,212
Speaker 2: glamorous is much less than the resistance of success in

1609
01:20:00,213 --> 01:20:03,572
Speaker 2: industries that are considered to be following your dream.

1610
01:20:03,732 --> 01:20:05,812
Speaker 3: Yeah. To me, that's how you find an advantage in

1611
01:20:05,853 --> 01:20:07,973
Speaker 3: life is figuring out what you're good at and then

1612
01:20:08,093 --> 01:20:10,973
Speaker 3: zero And as you say, on those professions that a

1613
01:20:11,013 --> 01:20:13,652
Speaker 3: lot of young people would look at and consider boring

1614
01:20:14,013 --> 01:20:17,133
Speaker 3: or that, it's not much status associated with that. But

1615
01:20:17,173 --> 01:20:19,892
Speaker 3: then if you become a ninja as he called it,

1616
01:20:20,173 --> 01:20:23,892
Speaker 3: and master that particular skill in that area, then you're

1617
01:20:23,933 --> 01:20:26,333
Speaker 3: going to reap the rewards of, as he says, a

1618
01:20:26,372 --> 01:20:29,532
Speaker 3: beep ton of money and look after your family and

1619
01:20:29,572 --> 01:20:32,372
Speaker 3: your kids. Whereas following a passion, say you want to

1620
01:20:32,372 --> 01:20:34,852
Speaker 3: be an actor, for example, and how many out of

1621
01:20:34,853 --> 01:20:37,133
Speaker 3: work actors out are out there at the moment in

1622
01:20:37,173 --> 01:20:39,652
Speaker 3: New Zealand alone, let alone the world. Sure it's your

1623
01:20:39,652 --> 01:20:41,333
Speaker 3: passion and you might love it, but are you going

1624
01:20:41,372 --> 01:20:43,013
Speaker 3: to be able to provide for your family and your

1625
01:20:43,053 --> 01:20:43,572
Speaker 3: kids down the.

1626
01:20:43,572 --> 01:20:45,892
Speaker 2: Track the success guys, And my humble opinion, if you

1627
01:20:45,893 --> 01:20:48,013
Speaker 2: don't have a passion for what you're doing life, then

1628
01:20:48,053 --> 01:20:50,532
Speaker 2: how can you be the best you can be? If

1629
01:20:50,532 --> 01:20:53,213
Speaker 2: it's about the dollars, then it's the wrong attitude, I

1630
01:20:53,333 --> 01:20:58,452
Speaker 2: believe chairs Craig. See that's the generally expected thing that

1631
01:20:58,532 --> 01:21:02,692
Speaker 2: you know, that's saying that you get if you if

1632
01:21:02,692 --> 01:21:04,333
Speaker 2: you love your work, then you'll never work a day

1633
01:21:04,333 --> 01:21:06,172
Speaker 2: in your life. You know, if you follow your dreams,

1634
01:21:06,213 --> 01:21:09,893
Speaker 2: then you're not working. But I think that's an unrealistic

1635
01:21:10,612 --> 01:21:12,492
Speaker 2: goal for people. If you tell a kid to find

1636
01:21:12,532 --> 01:21:17,453
Speaker 2: out what you really care about and what is completely

1637
01:21:17,492 --> 01:21:19,892
Speaker 2: in line with your soul and your wishes and you

1638
01:21:19,973 --> 01:21:24,812
Speaker 2: find incredibly meaningful and it's your calling in life. Because

1639
01:21:24,812 --> 01:21:26,652
Speaker 2: you can see people that have found their calling in life,

1640
01:21:26,652 --> 01:21:30,452
Speaker 2: they write books. But as Professor Scott Galloway says, there

1641
01:21:30,933 --> 01:21:34,333
Speaker 2: those people, they're looking back and so they're the ones

1642
01:21:34,452 --> 01:21:37,572
Speaker 2: that succeeded. They're the one percent or the point zero

1643
01:21:37,692 --> 01:21:39,652
Speaker 2: zero one percent, and they write a book saying I

1644
01:21:39,692 --> 01:21:42,812
Speaker 2: followed my passion and it came true. Yes, but most

1645
01:21:42,812 --> 01:21:47,013
Speaker 2: people either don't follow their passion or follow follow a

1646
01:21:47,093 --> 01:21:49,293
Speaker 2: passion in an industry that a lot of people want

1647
01:21:49,293 --> 01:21:54,372
Speaker 2: to be involved in. They're just that doesn't go anywhere

1648
01:21:54,412 --> 01:21:56,093
Speaker 2: because of the amount of competition in that area, if

1649
01:21:56,093 --> 01:21:56,612
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

1650
01:21:56,692 --> 01:21:58,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, I liked his line that said anyone that tells

1651
01:21:58,772 --> 01:22:01,253
Speaker 3: you to follow your passion is rich anyway. And he

1652
01:22:01,293 --> 01:22:03,053
Speaker 3: made the point that that guy who's telling you to

1653
01:22:03,053 --> 01:22:05,333
Speaker 3: follow your passion he made all his money and iron Ore.

1654
01:22:05,452 --> 01:22:07,852
Speaker 3: What little kid out there dreams of being an Iron

1655
01:22:07,973 --> 01:22:10,972
Speaker 3: or Meg, it just doesn't happen. Obviously, that person decided

1656
01:22:11,013 --> 01:22:13,172
Speaker 3: they had a talent in that particular area of business,

1657
01:22:13,293 --> 01:22:15,732
Speaker 3: which was boring, worked hard at it, and then became

1658
01:22:15,772 --> 01:22:18,612
Speaker 3: a billionaire. Rather than following their passion. Maybe that that

1659
01:22:18,692 --> 01:22:21,412
Speaker 3: Russian billionaire who runs the iron ore company wanted to

1660
01:22:21,452 --> 01:22:23,213
Speaker 3: be an actor at some stage, but he followed his

1661
01:22:23,293 --> 01:22:26,173
Speaker 3: talents and now he is a billionaire. So what do

1662
01:22:26,213 --> 01:22:28,412
Speaker 3: you say, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, Have

1663
01:22:28,532 --> 01:22:32,092
Speaker 3: you found success in a joyable industry that wasn't your passion?

1664
01:22:32,173 --> 01:22:34,572
Speaker 3: Are you glad you followed that path? You may have

1665
01:22:34,692 --> 01:22:37,012
Speaker 3: had what you thought was passions when you were younger,

1666
01:22:37,173 --> 01:22:39,253
Speaker 3: but you decided to go a traditional route in an

1667
01:22:39,253 --> 01:22:43,812
Speaker 3: industry that might not have the status attached to other jobs,

1668
01:22:43,853 --> 01:22:44,772
Speaker 3: and you've cracked it.

1669
01:22:45,452 --> 01:22:47,692
Speaker 2: This Texas says, follow your talent and then when you

1670
01:22:47,772 --> 01:22:50,293
Speaker 2: have made your money, follow your passion. This is what

1671
01:22:50,372 --> 01:22:52,652
Speaker 2: Jess is saying. If you have the luxury of following

1672
01:22:52,732 --> 01:22:55,612
Speaker 2: their passion, first, take care of life. Totally agree.

1673
01:22:55,692 --> 01:22:58,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty, shear your thoughts.

1674
01:22:58,812 --> 01:23:01,093
Speaker 3: Have you found success in a job or industry that

1675
01:23:01,333 --> 01:23:04,173
Speaker 3: wasn't your passion? It is thirteen past three. Back very

1676
01:23:04,213 --> 01:23:07,572
Speaker 3: surely you've talk said be sixteen past three. So there's

1677
01:23:07,572 --> 01:23:09,932
Speaker 3: a clip that's gone I are all featuring Scott Galloway's

1678
01:23:09,933 --> 01:23:13,093
Speaker 3: a well known author and businessman in America, and in

1679
01:23:13,133 --> 01:23:15,333
Speaker 3: that clip he said, the age old advice of following

1680
01:23:15,372 --> 01:23:19,173
Speaker 3: your passion is rubbish. He said, to paraphrase, what you

1681
01:23:19,213 --> 01:23:21,293
Speaker 3: actually need to do is find what you're talented at,

1682
01:23:21,293 --> 01:23:23,772
Speaker 3: even if it is in an industry which is considered boring.

1683
01:23:24,173 --> 01:23:27,133
Speaker 3: Master that make a heap of money to provide for

1684
01:23:27,213 --> 01:23:30,012
Speaker 3: your family and your children, and then you will find

1685
01:23:30,053 --> 01:23:31,093
Speaker 3: your passion along the way.

1686
01:23:31,173 --> 01:23:32,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I don't know what I do to do

1687
01:23:32,933 --> 01:23:34,452
Speaker 2: with my life. Here people say that all the time.

1688
01:23:34,452 --> 01:23:35,772
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with my life? What

1689
01:23:35,893 --> 01:23:37,732
Speaker 2: is my calling? What is the perfect thing I need

1690
01:23:37,772 --> 01:23:39,412
Speaker 2: to be doing? And we do that from about the

1691
01:23:39,452 --> 01:23:41,692
Speaker 2: age of fifteen onwards. You know, what should I do?

1692
01:23:41,732 --> 01:23:44,012
Speaker 2: What's the perfect career to do? You know what should

1693
01:23:44,013 --> 01:23:48,492
Speaker 2: I study at university to fully fulfill my potential as

1694
01:23:48,492 --> 01:23:52,492
Speaker 2: a human both spiritually and financially. And then about forty five,

1695
01:23:52,532 --> 01:23:54,572
Speaker 2: a lot of people give up because they have never

1696
01:23:54,652 --> 01:23:56,852
Speaker 2: found what they're supposed to do with their life.

1697
01:23:57,013 --> 01:23:58,012
Speaker 3: So a lot of pressure on yourself.

1698
01:23:58,053 --> 01:23:59,253
Speaker 2: You know what am I supposed to do with life?

1699
01:23:59,452 --> 01:24:01,772
Speaker 2: To find what you're something that you're good at and

1700
01:24:01,812 --> 01:24:05,052
Speaker 2: go hard at it. Cackarsits is what Professor Scott Galloway

1701
01:24:05,093 --> 01:24:06,692
Speaker 2: is saying, Josh, welcome to the show.

1702
01:24:09,053 --> 01:24:11,652
Speaker 3: Very good. So do you agree with Scott Galloway?

1703
01:24:12,013 --> 01:24:15,492
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, no, I think it's yeah, it's good advice. Ah,

1704
01:24:15,973 --> 01:24:18,253
Speaker 20: it's definitely the way that it's played out for me.

1705
01:24:19,612 --> 01:24:21,772
Speaker 20: Maybe it wasn't the plan, but I found myself in

1706
01:24:21,812 --> 01:24:25,213
Speaker 20: a in a role, in a career that is working

1707
01:24:25,253 --> 01:24:28,692
Speaker 20: out pretty well. That's probably not something that I would

1708
01:24:28,732 --> 01:24:31,652
Speaker 20: have thought was super exciting when I was younger. And

1709
01:24:31,732 --> 01:24:36,213
Speaker 20: what do you do, Josh, I'm a consultant. Yeah, the

1710
01:24:36,732 --> 01:24:37,372
Speaker 20: sea words.

1711
01:24:38,452 --> 01:24:39,012
Speaker 5: Now I worked.

1712
01:24:39,333 --> 01:24:43,453
Speaker 20: I worked for myself, self employed. It was like advisory

1713
01:24:43,492 --> 01:24:47,612
Speaker 20: services and mainly in the public sector, infrastructure and that

1714
01:24:47,732 --> 01:24:50,932
Speaker 20: sort of stuff. So yeah, it's some of it's kind

1715
01:24:50,933 --> 01:24:53,572
Speaker 20: of interesting engineering sort of stuff, but a lot of

1716
01:24:53,572 --> 01:24:57,372
Speaker 20: it is, you know, writing reports and coordinating teams and

1717
01:24:57,452 --> 01:25:01,013
Speaker 20: kind of boring ish.

1718
01:25:01,253 --> 01:25:03,333
Speaker 2: When you came when you were coming through school and

1719
01:25:03,452 --> 01:25:08,012
Speaker 2: heading out first into the world after school going to tertiary,

1720
01:25:08,492 --> 01:25:09,652
Speaker 2: did you have those thoughts?

1721
01:25:09,692 --> 01:25:10,012
Speaker 4: What what?

1722
01:25:09,853 --> 01:25:12,012
Speaker 2: What? What? What's my calling in life?

1723
01:25:12,053 --> 01:25:12,093
Speaker 5: What?

1724
01:25:12,253 --> 01:25:12,293
Speaker 17: What?

1725
01:25:12,492 --> 01:25:15,213
Speaker 2: What do I what's my passion? Did you did you

1726
01:25:15,572 --> 01:25:17,812
Speaker 2: was that thoughts that were floating around in your head?

1727
01:25:19,412 --> 01:25:19,572
Speaker 17: Oh?

1728
01:25:19,812 --> 01:25:23,812
Speaker 20: Yeah, I guess out of school just wanted to have fun.

1729
01:25:25,372 --> 01:25:27,892
Speaker 20: The side of the Otaga University was a pretty good

1730
01:25:27,933 --> 01:25:29,812
Speaker 20: place to have fun, so I went there and did

1731
01:25:29,893 --> 01:25:33,452
Speaker 20: that and yeah, probably maybe had a little bit too

1732
01:25:33,532 --> 01:25:38,333
Speaker 20: much time having fun. And then yeah, exiting university just

1733
01:25:38,452 --> 01:25:41,333
Speaker 20: kind of fell into a career as a as an analyst.

1734
01:25:41,412 --> 01:25:46,053
Speaker 20: Again pretty boring, but you know, created a platform to

1735
01:25:46,213 --> 01:25:49,293
Speaker 20: learn within some good companies and grow a bunch of

1736
01:25:49,372 --> 01:25:53,213
Speaker 20: skills that become pretty valuable, and now a little bit

1737
01:25:53,293 --> 01:25:57,253
Speaker 20: later in life, make a pretty good career out of it.

1738
01:25:58,053 --> 01:26:01,133
Speaker 3: Do you think most people when they they get into

1739
01:26:01,173 --> 01:26:02,732
Speaker 3: the position you were in, Josh, And it sounds like

1740
01:26:02,812 --> 01:26:04,612
Speaker 3: you've been in that business for some time and you've

1741
01:26:04,652 --> 01:26:06,652
Speaker 3: got yourself to a good position. But at some point

1742
01:26:06,692 --> 01:26:09,532
Speaker 3: along the way those you know that the dreams you

1743
01:26:09,572 --> 01:26:10,973
Speaker 3: may have had as a kid, or the passions that

1744
01:26:11,053 --> 01:26:13,253
Speaker 3: you thought you wanted to achieve, but then it gets

1745
01:26:13,293 --> 01:26:16,772
Speaker 3: overtaken by the fact that you can provide very well

1746
01:26:16,853 --> 01:26:19,572
Speaker 3: for your family and you can have a nice house

1747
01:26:19,652 --> 01:26:22,333
Speaker 3: and those nice things because you've got yourself into into

1748
01:26:22,372 --> 01:26:24,892
Speaker 3: the position you've got into. You know, in other words,

1749
01:26:24,973 --> 01:26:28,732
Speaker 3: that that your purpose in life is to make a

1750
01:26:28,812 --> 01:26:31,532
Speaker 3: Scott Galloway says, a heap of money and provide for

1751
01:26:31,612 --> 01:26:34,173
Speaker 3: your family rather than you know, what you might have

1752
01:26:34,333 --> 01:26:36,293
Speaker 3: thought you were going to be passionate about as a youngster.

1753
01:26:38,013 --> 01:26:40,053
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, I think so. And I think part of

1754
01:26:40,093 --> 01:26:43,333
Speaker 20: it as well for me has been separating, you know,

1755
01:26:43,532 --> 01:26:47,452
Speaker 20: work from life, and my purpose and employment and in

1756
01:26:47,652 --> 01:26:51,372
Speaker 20: career is to you know, do well and do my best.

1757
01:26:51,412 --> 01:26:54,492
Speaker 20: But yeah, making a good band because it's pretty important

1758
01:26:54,532 --> 01:26:57,093
Speaker 20: as well, and to provide for the family. And you know,

1759
01:26:57,333 --> 01:27:00,213
Speaker 20: I now work school hours around the kids and you

1760
01:27:00,293 --> 01:27:02,372
Speaker 20: don't get plenty of time with them. And then you know,

1761
01:27:02,532 --> 01:27:05,892
Speaker 20: my hobbies and my you know, fun stuff outside of workers,

1762
01:27:05,893 --> 01:27:08,452
Speaker 20: outside of work. And I've seen friends and stuff the

1763
01:27:08,532 --> 01:27:11,253
Speaker 20: other way as well, trying to their passions into a

1764
01:27:11,372 --> 01:27:14,572
Speaker 20: career and it's kind of ultimately ended up ruining their passions.

1765
01:27:15,053 --> 01:27:16,892
Speaker 7: You have to do what you once.

1766
01:27:16,812 --> 01:27:19,452
Speaker 20: Loved every day and try to make a dollar out

1767
01:27:19,492 --> 01:27:21,772
Speaker 20: of it. It can make it pretty sour pretty quick.

1768
01:27:22,412 --> 01:27:24,372
Speaker 2: It's sort of a survival bias thing, isn't it. We

1769
01:27:24,452 --> 01:27:26,532
Speaker 2: hear the stories about the people that followed the passion.

1770
01:27:26,572 --> 01:27:29,133
Speaker 2: It just went amazingly for them, and then you know

1771
01:27:29,732 --> 01:27:31,932
Speaker 2: they're ruling the world. But so many of the people

1772
01:27:32,173 --> 01:27:35,452
Speaker 2: followed their passion. Their passion ended up being destroyed by

1773
01:27:35,492 --> 01:27:38,852
Speaker 2: following it, and they didn't succeed. Those people never write

1774
01:27:38,893 --> 01:27:42,772
Speaker 2: the autobiography that you read. Yeah, well, good on you, Josh.

1775
01:27:42,853 --> 01:27:46,053
Speaker 2: Sounds like you're living the dream. You know, you're not

1776
01:27:46,133 --> 01:27:48,133
Speaker 2: necessarily following the dream you would have had when you

1777
01:27:48,173 --> 01:27:49,973
Speaker 2: were sixteen, but you're living the dream now.

1778
01:27:51,213 --> 01:27:53,133
Speaker 20: We're doing okay, Yeah, yeah, doing Okay.

1779
01:27:54,333 --> 01:27:57,173
Speaker 3: That's all you need to do in life, okay, you know, yeah,

1780
01:27:57,732 --> 01:27:59,812
Speaker 3: in the positive sense that if you were cracking it,

1781
01:27:59,933 --> 01:28:02,652
Speaker 3: you get. As Josh mentioned, he gets to come home

1782
01:28:02,652 --> 01:28:04,492
Speaker 3: a little bit early, picked the kids up from school.

1783
01:28:04,532 --> 01:28:07,253
Speaker 3: He's making good money. I mean that is in the

1784
01:28:07,372 --> 01:28:09,452
Speaker 3: key we vernacular. Dad's doing okay.

1785
01:28:09,652 --> 01:28:11,852
Speaker 2: I reckon, we've been sold a line. We've been led

1786
01:28:11,893 --> 01:28:14,492
Speaker 2: the wrong way with that everyone is special and everyone

1787
01:28:14,572 --> 01:28:16,732
Speaker 2: needs to be special. No, everyone just needs to do

1788
01:28:16,812 --> 01:28:20,452
Speaker 2: all right, yep, just go okay, so you can support

1789
01:28:20,452 --> 01:28:23,532
Speaker 2: your family, have as many friends as you as you can,

1790
01:28:24,013 --> 01:28:28,213
Speaker 2: have time for, and be part of different communities, and

1791
01:28:29,572 --> 01:28:30,372
Speaker 2: a solid life.

1792
01:28:30,532 --> 01:28:30,732
Speaker 4: Yep.

1793
01:28:31,652 --> 01:28:35,093
Speaker 2: You know, the spectacular life doesn't seem to lead to

1794
01:28:35,173 --> 01:28:38,093
Speaker 2: a lot of happiness. Yes, when you start, when you

1795
01:28:38,333 --> 01:28:40,652
Speaker 2: drill in right, So I think we need to tell

1796
01:28:40,933 --> 01:28:42,932
Speaker 2: kids more. You know, have a solid life.

1797
01:28:43,093 --> 01:28:46,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, aim for slightly above average. Oh one hundred and

1798
01:28:46,173 --> 01:28:48,293
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number two court? Are you

1799
01:28:48,412 --> 01:28:50,812
Speaker 3: like Josh? Are you someone who has found success in

1800
01:28:50,853 --> 01:28:54,092
Speaker 3: a job or industry that people may say is boring?

1801
01:28:54,173 --> 01:28:54,893
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you.

1802
01:28:55,173 --> 01:28:57,772
Speaker 2: This is one hundred percent right, says Cali. Work can suck,

1803
01:28:57,933 --> 01:29:00,173
Speaker 2: but do something you can make the most money at

1804
01:29:00,253 --> 01:29:02,452
Speaker 2: and channel that money into your passions outside of work.

1805
01:29:02,492 --> 01:29:05,132
Speaker 2: The wealthiest guy I knew was selling used cars hundreds

1806
01:29:05,133 --> 01:29:08,173
Speaker 2: of thousands per year, now semi retired doing what he loves.

1807
01:29:08,452 --> 01:29:10,572
Speaker 2: More of us need to listen to Scott Galloway. He's

1808
01:29:10,612 --> 01:29:11,893
Speaker 2: great and so practical.

1809
01:29:12,133 --> 01:29:14,013
Speaker 3: Tell us what you think. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

1810
01:29:14,053 --> 01:29:15,892
Speaker 3: eighty is that number to call? Nine two nine twos

1811
01:29:15,933 --> 01:29:17,292
Speaker 3: of Texas twenty two past.

1812
01:29:17,093 --> 01:29:24,572
Speaker 1: Three Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1813
01:29:24,652 --> 01:29:26,532
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

1814
01:29:26,933 --> 01:29:28,732
Speaker 3: It is twenty four pass three.

1815
01:29:28,973 --> 01:29:30,812
Speaker 2: Just got to got the State of the Union address

1816
01:29:30,893 --> 01:29:34,612
Speaker 2: on and it's it's so funny the State of the

1817
01:29:34,732 --> 01:29:37,612
Speaker 2: Union address and the states. How you know when it's

1818
01:29:37,652 --> 01:29:42,692
Speaker 2: a Republican president. The Democrats refuse to refuse to clap

1819
01:29:42,772 --> 01:29:45,372
Speaker 2: at anything at all, and or stand up and look

1820
01:29:45,452 --> 01:29:47,692
Speaker 2: stony faced. Yes, and when it's the other way around,

1821
01:29:47,692 --> 01:29:51,452
Speaker 2: the Republicans do it to the Democrats. But they've bought

1822
01:29:51,492 --> 01:29:55,213
Speaker 2: in the US hockey team that won the gold and

1823
01:29:56,173 --> 01:29:58,053
Speaker 2: you know, one side's applauding, on the other side is

1824
01:29:58,093 --> 01:29:59,692
Speaker 2: sitting completely silent.

1825
01:29:59,893 --> 01:30:02,892
Speaker 3: Oh is awkward. You've got to you've gotta you've got

1826
01:30:03,013 --> 01:30:06,012
Speaker 3: to clap for the Olympians coming through and they looking

1827
01:30:06,133 --> 01:30:07,652
Speaker 3: very happy that you look at hockey team.

1828
01:30:07,732 --> 01:30:10,412
Speaker 2: The Democrats have to look as disgusted as they can.

1829
01:30:11,053 --> 01:30:12,572
Speaker 2: It must be hard to sit there and just look

1830
01:30:12,652 --> 01:30:13,812
Speaker 2: disgusted for that long.

1831
01:30:14,372 --> 01:30:17,133
Speaker 3: Ow goods right. I'm sure here that we'll be talking

1832
01:30:17,133 --> 01:30:18,532
Speaker 3: about that a little bit later on. But back to

1833
01:30:18,612 --> 01:30:21,652
Speaker 3: our discussion about the age old advice of following your passion.

1834
01:30:22,173 --> 01:30:24,812
Speaker 3: After a viral clip of doctor Scott Galloway, well known

1835
01:30:24,853 --> 01:30:27,893
Speaker 3: author and businessman, said that that advice is rubbish. What

1836
01:30:28,173 --> 01:30:30,452
Speaker 3: is more important is following your talent, finding out what

1837
01:30:30,532 --> 01:30:33,412
Speaker 3: you're good at, mastering it, and they're making a heap

1838
01:30:33,492 --> 01:30:35,972
Speaker 3: of money. If that's you keen to hear your story,

1839
01:30:35,973 --> 01:30:37,133
Speaker 3: O one hundred and eighteen eighty.

1840
01:30:37,213 --> 01:30:39,692
Speaker 2: John says, guys, I'm a painter. I love my job.

1841
01:30:40,013 --> 01:30:42,093
Speaker 2: But the real reason is because I have the flexibility

1842
01:30:42,133 --> 01:30:45,972
Speaker 2: to travel the world with my band. Ah so's he's

1843
01:30:46,492 --> 01:30:49,013
Speaker 2: you know. So you probably don't have a lot of

1844
01:30:49,053 --> 01:30:51,933
Speaker 2: people that are around sixteen at this school going my

1845
01:30:52,093 --> 01:30:56,213
Speaker 2: passions to become a painter. But John likes painting yep.

1846
01:30:56,253 --> 01:30:58,532
Speaker 2: And the painting means that he can travel the world, which.

1847
01:30:58,452 --> 01:31:01,932
Speaker 3: Is amaze from it. Yeah, yeah, way to play it absolutely.

1848
01:31:01,492 --> 01:31:03,692
Speaker 2: Whereas some other wounder at school would go, I want

1849
01:31:03,732 --> 01:31:06,692
Speaker 2: to be an influencer so I can travel the world.

1850
01:31:07,293 --> 01:31:09,932
Speaker 2: You know, you can be something and do other stuff.

1851
01:31:10,093 --> 01:31:13,052
Speaker 2: If you really excel at something that isn't considered maybe

1852
01:31:13,093 --> 01:31:16,452
Speaker 2: that exciting by some people, you can then live the

1853
01:31:16,532 --> 01:31:19,572
Speaker 2: exciting life as well. And bursts very true.

1854
01:31:19,652 --> 01:31:21,692
Speaker 3: Get a Rods Get a.

1855
01:31:21,933 --> 01:31:25,372
Speaker 5: Guy's always a good show. I'll just buy you up

1856
01:31:25,452 --> 01:31:31,972
Speaker 5: with that one. Regarding changing careers, I don't think it's

1857
01:31:32,013 --> 01:31:33,933
Speaker 5: a big thing. I think a lot of us do it.

1858
01:31:34,013 --> 01:31:38,893
Speaker 5: I think I worked for four pharmaceutical companies before I

1859
01:31:39,053 --> 01:31:42,253
Speaker 5: was forty, you know, and then I got into the

1860
01:31:42,692 --> 01:31:47,372
Speaker 5: collectible and figuring the book trade, which that was a joy,

1861
01:31:48,013 --> 01:31:50,732
Speaker 5: you know, and got your book met read it.

1862
01:31:51,173 --> 01:31:52,173
Speaker 2: Oh thanks Ron.

1863
01:31:53,452 --> 01:31:57,812
Speaker 5: Through that y. You know, I'm in the retirement years.

1864
01:31:57,853 --> 01:32:02,333
Speaker 5: I mean I'm sixty nine going on seventy. And what

1865
01:32:02,492 --> 01:32:04,093
Speaker 5: I do these days is.

1866
01:32:06,213 --> 01:32:06,772
Speaker 2: My garden.

1867
01:32:07,532 --> 01:32:12,012
Speaker 5: My garden keeps me fit, you know, keeps me acted.

1868
01:32:12,093 --> 01:32:16,532
Speaker 5: I'm not just lying around feeling depressed or whatever happens

1869
01:32:16,572 --> 01:32:19,692
Speaker 5: when that. You know, so I think needs must. I

1870
01:32:19,812 --> 01:32:23,133
Speaker 5: think most of us, you know, as we get on,

1871
01:32:23,812 --> 01:32:26,772
Speaker 5: no matter what career, even if we're sort of out

1872
01:32:27,133 --> 01:32:31,852
Speaker 5: a career as a professional, I think in our later

1873
01:32:32,093 --> 01:32:33,692
Speaker 5: years we keep that stuff going.

1874
01:32:33,973 --> 01:32:36,492
Speaker 2: When you were, when you were at school, when you

1875
01:32:36,532 --> 01:32:38,253
Speaker 2: were at school, when you were and you were leaving school,

1876
01:32:38,372 --> 01:32:42,612
Speaker 2: was was a pharmaceutical career something that you that you

1877
01:32:42,732 --> 01:32:45,412
Speaker 2: were passionate about, and it was a career.

1878
01:32:45,293 --> 01:32:52,372
Speaker 5: That you know, No, I was probably passionate about phantasuticals.

1879
01:32:58,692 --> 01:33:02,253
Speaker 5: No I started school. When I left school, I did

1880
01:33:02,333 --> 01:33:09,532
Speaker 5: an administration did was in New Zealand, and that's what

1881
01:33:09,652 --> 01:33:12,652
Speaker 5: I want wanted to do so I could travel the world.

1882
01:33:12,853 --> 01:33:14,572
Speaker 3: Was that a pilot rod You wanted to be a pilot.

1883
01:33:15,853 --> 01:33:19,093
Speaker 5: Now I was a Skype pilot. No, I worked on

1884
01:33:19,772 --> 01:33:27,812
Speaker 5: administration reservations and you know that side of things, ground staff,

1885
01:33:27,933 --> 01:33:31,452
Speaker 5: you know, making boxings and stuff like that, and it

1886
01:33:31,572 --> 01:33:33,812
Speaker 5: was really good, and I think it was for me.

1887
01:33:34,933 --> 01:33:38,133
Speaker 5: It was a good grounding to get other jobs. Like

1888
01:33:38,253 --> 01:33:42,572
Speaker 5: when I went to work in the veterory business, which

1889
01:33:42,652 --> 01:33:48,612
Speaker 5: is a fun siglicceutical thing. I'd had enough, you know,

1890
01:33:48,893 --> 01:33:52,852
Speaker 5: training in administration and working within a structure like that

1891
01:33:53,933 --> 01:33:57,692
Speaker 5: to get another job. But then, you know, by the

1892
01:33:57,772 --> 01:33:59,333
Speaker 5: time I was forty, I was sick of working in

1893
01:33:59,452 --> 01:34:04,532
Speaker 5: the pantaceutical industry. It was just boring, and I sort

1894
01:34:04,572 --> 01:34:07,492
Speaker 5: of went away and traveled a bit and came back

1895
01:34:07,572 --> 01:34:10,572
Speaker 5: and luckily seeing business.

1896
01:34:11,893 --> 01:34:12,532
Speaker 16: How do you say that?

1897
01:34:15,452 --> 01:34:20,493
Speaker 5: Yeah, I ended up in the second hand and collectible

1898
01:34:20,532 --> 01:34:25,732
Speaker 5: book business for a friend who had a shop and

1899
01:34:26,772 --> 01:34:32,213
Speaker 5: well established second in bookshop. And she said to me,

1900
01:34:32,333 --> 01:34:35,253
Speaker 5: when she's only walking past one day, said a Rob,

1901
01:34:35,853 --> 01:34:38,333
Speaker 5: can you manage the shop while I'd bring up the children.

1902
01:34:38,973 --> 01:34:40,932
Speaker 5: And I'd just come back from Mexico and I spent

1903
01:34:41,013 --> 01:34:44,213
Speaker 5: a bit of time in the South there, and so

1904
01:34:44,293 --> 01:34:47,652
Speaker 5: I took that on and from there I ended up

1905
01:34:48,133 --> 01:34:51,492
Speaker 5: sort of setting up a shop for bid Posts Books store,

1906
01:34:51,612 --> 01:34:57,253
Speaker 5: and then working you know for Growing West Book Festival.

1907
01:34:57,333 --> 01:35:00,412
Speaker 5: And sort of got into that whole thing for another

1908
01:35:00,572 --> 01:35:04,253
Speaker 5: twenty years. And then when that sort of sort of

1909
01:35:05,853 --> 01:35:10,652
Speaker 5: you know, with things changing and the whole book in

1910
01:35:10,893 --> 01:35:15,732
Speaker 5: media landscape and changing, I sort of let that go

1911
01:35:15,893 --> 01:35:19,852
Speaker 5: and I worked with the mate and we've been doing

1912
01:35:20,053 --> 01:35:21,972
Speaker 5: you know, gardening.

1913
01:35:22,333 --> 01:35:24,333
Speaker 3: Good on you, Good on your right, hell of a

1914
01:35:24,372 --> 01:35:26,932
Speaker 3: life you've lived. Thank you very much for your call.

1915
01:35:28,013 --> 01:35:33,212
Speaker 2: That he enjoyed pharmaceuticals recreationally. They went into the pharmaceutical industry.

1916
01:35:33,333 --> 01:35:34,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's some good experience there.

1917
01:35:34,893 --> 01:35:36,412
Speaker 2: Did you ever rust anything up when you're in the

1918
01:35:36,452 --> 01:35:41,133
Speaker 2: pharmaco industry and anything for the recreational side of things

1919
01:35:41,173 --> 01:35:41,412
Speaker 2: at all?

1920
01:35:45,053 --> 01:35:46,812
Speaker 5: Pretty well sort of secure.

1921
01:35:48,053 --> 01:35:50,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think I would didn't think you would

1922
01:35:50,093 --> 01:35:50,253
Speaker 2: have been.

1923
01:35:50,853 --> 01:35:52,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, good on you, mate, Thank you very much for

1924
01:35:52,933 --> 01:35:55,692
Speaker 3: giving us a call. Can thriving in a boring or

1925
01:35:55,772 --> 01:35:59,452
Speaker 3: unexpected field be more rewarding than following your dream? Sheer story?

1926
01:35:59,532 --> 01:36:01,333
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is that number

1927
01:36:01,372 --> 01:36:02,612
Speaker 3: to call? Headlines coming up?

1928
01:36:04,492 --> 01:36:08,333
Speaker 8: You've talked said headlines with your ride New Zealand's numb

1929
01:36:08,492 --> 01:36:13,212
Speaker 8: one taxi ab Download your ride today. A hospital bedside

1930
01:36:13,253 --> 01:36:16,612
Speaker 8: court hearings expected in Auckland today for a thirty one

1931
01:36:16,692 --> 01:36:20,532
Speaker 8: year old woman charged with burglary and unlawfully taking a vehicle.

1932
01:36:21,053 --> 01:36:23,692
Speaker 8: She was taken to hospital after police found her trapped

1933
01:36:23,973 --> 01:36:27,492
Speaker 8: in a Graylen property under renovation and is accused of

1934
01:36:27,612 --> 01:36:30,972
Speaker 8: taking a handbag in keys from an EPSOM home driving

1935
01:36:31,053 --> 01:36:35,372
Speaker 8: off in an audi Walworths, New Zealand's revenue has increased

1936
01:36:35,412 --> 01:36:38,372
Speaker 8: to four point four one billion dollars in its half

1937
01:36:38,452 --> 01:36:42,372
Speaker 8: year financial report, with net profit rising sixteen point four

1938
01:36:42,412 --> 01:36:45,932
Speaker 8: percent on the year before. Police have found a body

1939
01:36:46,013 --> 01:36:49,612
Speaker 8: near a vehicle in west coasts of Fatorua near Parker's

1940
01:36:49,652 --> 01:36:54,652
Speaker 8: Creek about four pm yesterday. Hacked health platform medi Map

1941
01:36:55,053 --> 01:36:58,132
Speaker 8: is seeking a court order to stop any stolen information

1942
01:36:58,293 --> 01:37:02,892
Speaker 8: from being shared. The governments quietly ditched its quarterly action plans,

1943
01:37:02,933 --> 01:37:06,212
Speaker 8: which aim to include commitments to take decisions to cabinet

1944
01:37:06,412 --> 01:37:10,532
Speaker 8: or pass legislation. Could key we savor be used to

1945
01:37:10,612 --> 01:37:14,293
Speaker 8: control inflation? Read this and more from Inside Economics It

1946
01:37:14,412 --> 01:37:16,812
Speaker 8: and said here well premium Back to Matt Eath and

1947
01:37:16,853 --> 01:37:17,933
Speaker 8: Tyler Adams.

1948
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Raylian. So we're talking about a

1949
01:37:19,452 --> 01:37:22,532
Speaker 3: viral clip featuring doctor Scott Galloway. He's a well known

1950
01:37:22,652 --> 01:37:27,852
Speaker 3: author and businessman in America, Very articulate, And here is

1951
01:37:27,973 --> 01:37:29,372
Speaker 3: a little bit of what he was saying. When it

1952
01:37:29,412 --> 01:37:31,612
Speaker 3: comes to following your passion versus using your.

1953
01:37:31,572 --> 01:37:34,572
Speaker 19: Talent, find your talent, find out what you're good at,

1954
01:37:34,853 --> 01:37:37,253
Speaker 19: and what if you become a ninja master at something?

1955
01:37:37,333 --> 01:37:40,852
Speaker 19: The accouterments are that being relevant, making money, having a

1956
01:37:40,933 --> 01:37:43,173
Speaker 19: larger selection set of mats than you deserve will make

1957
01:37:43,213 --> 01:37:45,812
Speaker 19: you passionate about whatever that thing is.

1958
01:37:46,532 --> 01:37:48,572
Speaker 3: So is he right ken thriving in a boring or

1959
01:37:48,652 --> 01:37:51,612
Speaker 3: unexpected field to be more rewarding than following your dream,

1960
01:37:51,652 --> 01:37:54,372
Speaker 3: particularly if you've become a master and make a truck

1961
01:37:54,452 --> 01:37:54,972
Speaker 3: ton of money.

1962
01:37:55,053 --> 01:37:56,772
Speaker 2: I think he's put it another way before. It's being

1963
01:37:56,853 --> 01:38:00,852
Speaker 2: the most exciting person and an unglamorous profession as a

1964
01:38:00,933 --> 01:38:04,132
Speaker 2: real advantage in life, rather than trying to be exciting

1965
01:38:04,213 --> 01:38:07,092
Speaker 2: and an exciting profession or perceived to be exciting profession.

1966
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a nice way to put it. One hundred and

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01:38:08,772 --> 01:38:09,492
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty.

1968
01:38:09,572 --> 01:38:11,412
Speaker 2: If you ever want to meet someone miserable, meet an

1969
01:38:11,452 --> 01:38:16,293
Speaker 2: actor or a model or a musician like professional, Yeah, no,

1970
01:38:16,333 --> 01:38:17,572
Speaker 2: no matter how successful they are.

1971
01:38:18,412 --> 01:38:19,333
Speaker 3: Grind, it's tough.

1972
01:38:19,452 --> 01:38:21,812
Speaker 2: It's a tough it's a tough grind. And you know,

1973
01:38:22,013 --> 01:38:23,973
Speaker 2: so much of your success is in the hands of

1974
01:38:24,053 --> 01:38:27,452
Speaker 2: other people. You know, if you're chasing fame, then fame

1975
01:38:27,572 --> 01:38:30,013
Speaker 2: is something you can't control. You're putting your hopes and

1976
01:38:30,093 --> 01:38:33,532
Speaker 2: dreams in the hands of people other people. Yeah, really,

1977
01:38:33,612 --> 01:38:35,732
Speaker 2: and then that can just disappear in a puff.

1978
01:38:35,612 --> 01:38:37,572
Speaker 3: Yep, tough existence. So I one hundred and eighty ten

1979
01:38:37,612 --> 01:38:42,612
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call get a Nikki. Oh sorry,

1980
01:38:42,692 --> 01:38:44,572
Speaker 3: NICKI we got you there. Hello, Hello, are you.

1981
01:38:46,053 --> 01:38:47,172
Speaker 17: I'm good? Thanks yourself?

1982
01:38:47,572 --> 01:38:49,612
Speaker 3: Very good? So keen to hear your story.

1983
01:38:51,612 --> 01:38:55,293
Speaker 17: So I am a high school dropout. I have hero

1984
01:38:55,532 --> 01:38:59,732
Speaker 17: school qualifications. I started off working in the hospitality industry

1985
01:39:00,532 --> 01:39:01,133
Speaker 17: and I was.

1986
01:39:01,253 --> 01:39:02,052
Speaker 5: Like, this sucks.

1987
01:39:02,213 --> 01:39:07,333
Speaker 17: It's a grind. I am working thirty hours a week

1988
01:39:07,452 --> 01:39:10,213
Speaker 17: for just above mine and wage. So I waited till

1989
01:39:10,213 --> 01:39:12,932
Speaker 17: I was twenty one and I got automatic university entrants,

1990
01:39:14,372 --> 01:39:18,012
Speaker 17: and prior to that, I did a legal executive diploma

1991
01:39:19,372 --> 01:39:21,612
Speaker 17: to try and get an office job.

1992
01:39:24,013 --> 01:39:26,972
Speaker 3: I'm hoping we get you back, Niki. You've just fallen

1993
01:39:26,973 --> 01:39:29,253
Speaker 3: off there yet. Sorry, So you're talking about the hospo grind.

1994
01:39:29,333 --> 01:39:31,572
Speaker 2: You was shut down by big follow your dreams? What

1995
01:39:31,652 --> 01:39:34,692
Speaker 2: were you saying there, Nikki? Can you hear me now

1996
01:39:35,572 --> 01:39:37,932
Speaker 2: loud and clear. Now, NICKI thanks, Oh threat cool.

1997
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Speaker 17: So when I went to university, what about what degree

1998
01:39:42,532 --> 01:39:46,012
Speaker 17: could I do that would make me heaps of money?

1999
01:39:46,133 --> 01:39:48,333
Speaker 17: And it wasn't about what I was passionate about. And

2000
01:39:48,452 --> 01:39:51,372
Speaker 17: I was like, well, if I learn about business, I

2001
01:39:51,492 --> 01:39:54,213
Speaker 17: can do anything anything I put my mind to. So

2002
01:39:54,333 --> 01:39:56,893
Speaker 17: I did two degrees in business.

2003
01:39:58,333 --> 01:40:01,132
Speaker 21: And I started off walking out in the corporate sector.

2004
01:40:01,253 --> 01:40:05,093
Speaker 21: Spent over thirteen years in the corporate center sector, and

2005
01:40:05,213 --> 01:40:07,812
Speaker 21: over the last four years I have been growing my

2006
01:40:07,933 --> 01:40:11,772
Speaker 21: small business. I did another business as well that I

2007
01:40:11,933 --> 01:40:14,652
Speaker 21: just cashed out of last year. I quit my full

2008
01:40:14,732 --> 01:40:16,732
Speaker 21: time job last year to go all in on this

2009
01:40:16,893 --> 01:40:19,052
Speaker 21: because I knew it was getting to a point where

2010
01:40:20,093 --> 01:40:24,013
Speaker 21: I couldn't sustain everything anymore. And now I am absolutely

2011
01:40:24,093 --> 01:40:27,772
Speaker 21: living my dream. But in saying that I have had

2012
01:40:27,853 --> 01:40:31,213
Speaker 21: to work up to ninety hours a week for four

2013
01:40:31,333 --> 01:40:34,572
Speaker 21: years to get here, I have had to do work

2014
01:40:34,772 --> 01:40:38,133
Speaker 21: that is so it made me want to pull my

2015
01:40:38,213 --> 01:40:41,932
Speaker 21: hair out. For example, I couldn't afford to pay somebody

2016
01:40:42,053 --> 01:40:46,132
Speaker 21: to build myself a website, so I went on YouTube

2017
01:40:46,173 --> 01:40:48,812
Speaker 21: and I learned how to build a website. I used

2018
01:40:48,853 --> 01:40:52,652
Speaker 21: AI to give me build a website for dummies, step

2019
01:40:52,732 --> 01:40:56,772
Speaker 21: by step instructions, and I spent probably one hundred hours

2020
01:40:56,853 --> 01:41:00,052
Speaker 21: to build my website for free on a low cost.

2021
01:41:01,173 --> 01:41:03,732
Speaker 17: We provide it. I couldn't afford one of these splash

2022
01:41:03,812 --> 01:41:06,532
Speaker 17: ones that had templates and all that, so I had

2023
01:41:06,572 --> 01:41:10,652
Speaker 17: to build it all from scratch. Else it's the sale

2024
01:41:10,812 --> 01:41:13,372
Speaker 17: side of it. I'm a back office function. I'm a

2025
01:41:13,492 --> 01:41:17,412
Speaker 17: corporate function. I've never learned anything about sales. But again

2026
01:41:17,492 --> 01:41:18,492
Speaker 17: I went on YouTube.

2027
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Speaker 16: I learned.

2028
01:41:20,893 --> 01:41:24,933
Speaker 17: Every day. It's uncomfortable when I'm doing cold outreach or

2029
01:41:26,053 --> 01:41:28,452
Speaker 17: trying to jack up meetings with people so that I

2030
01:41:28,532 --> 01:41:31,652
Speaker 17: can get my name out there, and it is that's

2031
01:41:31,772 --> 01:41:36,612
Speaker 17: the stuff that I think breaks the ninety nine people

2032
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Speaker 17: of the hundred that start on the path and fall off.

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01:41:41,093 --> 01:41:46,333
Speaker 17: You have to be uncomfortable, comfortable being uncomfortable. You have

2034
01:41:46,492 --> 01:41:49,412
Speaker 17: to put yourself out there on a level that we're

2035
01:41:49,492 --> 01:41:52,452
Speaker 17: not taught. You know, we're not taught that at school

2036
01:41:52,652 --> 01:41:55,333
Speaker 17: or in university. You're taught to kind of be in

2037
01:41:55,452 --> 01:41:59,893
Speaker 17: the square. But in order to get the success that

2038
01:42:00,053 --> 01:42:03,692
Speaker 17: I have and that other highly highly successful people have had,

2039
01:42:03,933 --> 01:42:09,012
Speaker 17: it's they grind every single day. There's no it's five o'clock,

2040
01:42:09,133 --> 01:42:12,372
Speaker 17: so I'm crashing out and watching Netflix like you were

2041
01:42:12,452 --> 01:42:16,093
Speaker 17: in your office fifteen hours of the day working out

2042
01:42:16,652 --> 01:42:19,293
Speaker 17: what can I do tomorrow that made me better than

2043
01:42:19,333 --> 01:42:22,492
Speaker 17: I am today? What can I do tomorrow that's going

2044
01:42:22,572 --> 01:42:24,093
Speaker 17: to put myself out there more?

2045
01:42:24,652 --> 01:42:25,173
Speaker 9: How can I.

2046
01:42:27,013 --> 01:42:30,372
Speaker 17: Put more revenue into my pipeline than I did today?

2047
01:42:30,853 --> 01:42:34,572
Speaker 17: Reflecting on a Sunday night, What did I do this

2048
01:42:34,732 --> 01:42:37,093
Speaker 17: week that went wrong? How can I do better next

2049
01:42:37,173 --> 01:42:41,213
Speaker 17: week to generate more leads? So it's very.

2050
01:42:42,973 --> 01:42:47,333
Speaker 2: You have you heard of the four burners concepts, Nikki?

2051
01:42:48,013 --> 01:42:51,173
Speaker 2: That you have family, friends, health, and work, and you

2052
01:42:51,253 --> 01:42:53,973
Speaker 2: can only keep two of them burning, you know, And

2053
01:42:54,093 --> 01:42:57,333
Speaker 2: so it sounds like you're you're burning. You burn work hard, right,

2054
01:42:57,652 --> 01:43:00,133
Speaker 2: So that was the burner that you had up as

2055
01:43:00,213 --> 01:43:02,333
Speaker 2: high as you could. So do you think that in

2056
01:43:02,452 --> 01:43:06,333
Speaker 2: some ways doing what you've done has at the detriment

2057
01:43:06,492 --> 01:43:08,732
Speaker 2: detriment of family, friends, or health.

2058
01:43:10,293 --> 01:43:13,333
Speaker 17: No, because I manage my time exceptionally well, and that's

2059
01:43:13,372 --> 01:43:15,452
Speaker 17: a big part of it as well. Right, you can't

2060
01:43:16,133 --> 01:43:18,893
Speaker 17: like I have a I've got a little farm, so

2061
01:43:18,933 --> 01:43:21,012
Speaker 17: I've got a farm to operate, I've got a family

2062
01:43:21,093 --> 01:43:24,452
Speaker 17: to run, I've got my business to grow, and so

2063
01:43:24,973 --> 01:43:27,852
Speaker 17: I don't. There's no time in the day where I'm

2064
01:43:28,013 --> 01:43:31,133
Speaker 17: just being lazy. Every time, every minute of my day

2065
01:43:31,253 --> 01:43:34,892
Speaker 17: is productive, and it's either personal development, working on my business,

2066
01:43:34,973 --> 01:43:37,052
Speaker 17: working on my house, spending time with my family.

2067
01:43:37,532 --> 01:43:40,933
Speaker 3: But you're a high achievement though, you're a very high achieving.

2068
01:43:42,812 --> 01:43:44,612
Speaker 17: But it's what are your goals?

2069
01:43:44,732 --> 01:43:44,892
Speaker 5: Right?

2070
01:43:45,053 --> 01:43:45,093
Speaker 8: Like?

2071
01:43:45,293 --> 01:43:47,293
Speaker 17: I know what my goals are. I know what my

2072
01:43:47,412 --> 01:43:50,212
Speaker 17: dream life is. I know that I want to retire

2073
01:43:50,333 --> 01:43:54,372
Speaker 17: in ten years time, at forty five, and every action

2074
01:43:54,572 --> 01:43:57,892
Speaker 17: that I take today is towards that goal in mind.

2075
01:43:57,973 --> 01:43:59,812
Speaker 2: What about once once you retire, though, what are you

2076
01:43:59,853 --> 01:44:01,692
Speaker 2: want to do? Because forty five you're going to have

2077
01:44:02,013 --> 01:44:03,532
Speaker 2: clearly you've got a lot of energy.

2078
01:44:04,053 --> 01:44:04,612
Speaker 5: So I don't.

2079
01:44:04,612 --> 01:44:07,492
Speaker 2: I can't imagine what Nicky's retirement would would be like.

2080
01:44:07,652 --> 01:44:09,572
Speaker 2: I think you'd be tired for about thirty seconds and

2081
01:44:09,612 --> 01:44:10,972
Speaker 2: then you'd fire up something else.

2082
01:44:12,412 --> 01:44:16,813
Speaker 22: I always, I think I'll always have businesses to oversee

2083
01:44:16,933 --> 01:44:20,092
Speaker 22: and maybe sitting on boards and helping helping other people

2084
01:44:20,213 --> 01:44:23,213
Speaker 22: to be as successful as I am and helping them

2085
01:44:23,293 --> 01:44:24,732
Speaker 22: to drive things forward.

2086
01:44:24,853 --> 01:44:26,852
Speaker 17: But I don't want to work for the rest of

2087
01:44:26,973 --> 01:44:29,013
Speaker 17: my life the way that I do now, and I

2088
01:44:29,293 --> 01:44:32,333
Speaker 17: like for the last best part of sixteen years. I

2089
01:44:32,492 --> 01:44:37,452
Speaker 17: have been grinding like no tomorrow. And you know, what

2090
01:44:37,612 --> 01:44:40,333
Speaker 17: does retirement look like for me? I'll be on a

2091
01:44:40,412 --> 01:44:44,452
Speaker 17: beach in Mexico, drinking my margarita with my laptop open,

2092
01:44:46,492 --> 01:44:49,892
Speaker 17: overseeing my empire that I've spent my life building.

2093
01:44:50,053 --> 01:44:54,012
Speaker 3: You know, sounds like a good retirement. Nikki. What's your business?

2094
01:44:54,053 --> 01:44:55,292
Speaker 3: By the way, do you mind saying.

2095
01:44:56,772 --> 01:44:59,892
Speaker 17: I offer professional services in corporate governing?

2096
01:45:01,213 --> 01:45:01,612
Speaker 3: Very good?

2097
01:45:01,812 --> 01:45:03,732
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much, Nikki. We need to plug

2098
01:45:03,812 --> 01:45:06,412
Speaker 2: you into the grid, into the power grid. That's a

2099
01:45:06,452 --> 01:45:08,053
Speaker 2: heck of a lot of energy and drive and we

2100
01:45:08,093 --> 01:45:11,652
Speaker 2: could get about, you know, wind farms and sola. We

2101
01:45:11,692 --> 01:45:15,572
Speaker 2: wouldn't have to worry about important gas power, Nicky. Just

2102
01:45:15,652 --> 01:45:18,293
Speaker 2: plug Nicky in and you could run every bulb in

2103
01:45:18,333 --> 01:45:18,692
Speaker 2: the country.

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01:45:18,973 --> 01:45:21,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much for your story, Nikki. Oh

2105
01:45:21,372 --> 01:45:23,972
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number two call.

2106
01:45:24,053 --> 01:45:26,213
Speaker 3: Have you found success in what many would consider a

2107
01:45:26,293 --> 01:45:29,572
Speaker 3: boring industry? Share your story. It is seventeen to four.

2108
01:45:30,612 --> 01:45:34,213
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons taking your calls on

2109
01:45:34,372 --> 01:45:35,612
Speaker 1: OH eight hundred and eighty.

2110
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Speaker 4: Ten eighty with Skoda. Can you crack the God please?

2111
01:45:38,372 --> 01:45:41,372
Speaker 4: Scoda codes, every day news dogs that'd be it.

2112
01:45:41,532 --> 01:45:43,973
Speaker 3: Is fourteen to four. So is it possible that a

2113
01:45:44,053 --> 01:45:47,173
Speaker 3: boring or unexpected career could be more rewarding than one

2114
01:45:47,213 --> 01:45:50,133
Speaker 3: you've always dreamed of? Love to hear your story? Oh

2115
01:45:50,173 --> 01:45:52,452
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty set number to call get

2116
01:45:52,492 --> 01:45:53,132
Speaker 3: a Jeff.

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01:45:53,732 --> 01:45:55,173
Speaker 2: Hey, how are you very good?

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Speaker 5: Mate? Yeah?

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Speaker 16: I think it's a I think there's a balance between,

2120
01:46:00,572 --> 01:46:03,093
Speaker 16: you know, a passion and then just making money. I

2121
01:46:03,173 --> 01:46:05,372
Speaker 16: guess because they sort of go hand in hand. If

2122
01:46:05,412 --> 01:46:07,532
Speaker 16: you love it, you're going to do it harder as well.

2123
01:46:08,333 --> 01:46:11,412
Speaker 16: So you know, I went to art school. I kind

2124
01:46:11,452 --> 01:46:12,732
Speaker 16: of didn't know what I was going to do.

2125
01:46:13,093 --> 01:46:13,532
Speaker 2: I wanted to.

2126
01:46:13,572 --> 01:46:16,572
Speaker 16: I thought I was going to design like surf magazine covers,

2127
01:46:16,652 --> 01:46:18,452
Speaker 16: stuff like that, and I remember doing Kivy for it

2128
01:46:18,452 --> 01:46:20,532
Speaker 16: when I was young, thinking I do not want to

2129
01:46:20,572 --> 01:46:22,492
Speaker 16: do this. Maybe I could have stuck at it and

2130
01:46:22,572 --> 01:46:25,532
Speaker 16: became a master at it, but I was so bored

2131
01:46:25,572 --> 01:46:28,293
Speaker 16: of it and didn't want to do it. And I

2132
01:46:28,412 --> 01:46:31,452
Speaker 16: wanted to do photography, but I thought, well this, how

2133
01:46:31,492 --> 01:46:34,852
Speaker 16: many people do photography? A lot of people, So maybe

2134
01:46:34,893 --> 01:46:37,372
Speaker 16: it'll come around in my career at some point. But

2135
01:46:37,452 --> 01:46:39,572
Speaker 16: I went to art school so I chose something creative.

2136
01:46:39,692 --> 01:46:41,812
Speaker 16: I had no idea what it was going to be yet,

2137
01:46:41,853 --> 01:46:43,652
Speaker 16: but it had to be something creative because I had

2138
01:46:43,692 --> 01:46:46,333
Speaker 16: a passion for it, and that's what I ended up doing.

2139
01:46:46,372 --> 01:46:48,692
Speaker 16: And that's what I do, and I love traveling. I

2140
01:46:48,772 --> 01:46:51,372
Speaker 16: wanted something that I could do creatively and travel and

2141
01:46:51,452 --> 01:46:53,692
Speaker 16: that's what I ended up doing. So I'm actually on

2142
01:46:53,732 --> 01:46:54,452
Speaker 16: the way to the airport.

2143
01:46:54,532 --> 01:46:56,492
Speaker 3: Now we'll take good on you, Jeff. It's a great job,

2144
01:46:56,572 --> 01:46:58,572
Speaker 3: so I'd take it yet to work pretty hard at

2145
01:46:58,612 --> 01:47:00,612
Speaker 3: that because he's just say, photography, it's something that a

2146
01:47:00,652 --> 01:47:02,293
Speaker 3: lot of people want to do. A lot of people

2147
01:47:02,372 --> 01:47:04,612
Speaker 3: say that they've got a bit passion for it, which

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Speaker 3: means that you know the percentage or advantage that you've

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Speaker 3: got a lot harder than than other so called boring industries.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, so I guess I but I get the master

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Speaker 16: master what you do. So I had, when I say,

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Speaker 16: a balance, like, I knew it had to be something creative,

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Speaker 16: and I guess I'm mastered. When I ended up doing photography.

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Speaker 16: I mastered what I take photos of. I never I

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Speaker 16: never even heard of the subject of what I take

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Speaker 16: photos of, and I travel the world doing it, and

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Speaker 16: I had no clue about it. I never went, oh,

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Speaker 16: that's I'm going to be I'm going to be a

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Speaker 16: master of that. But kind of got to the top

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Speaker 16: of the game of doing it around the world, so

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Speaker 16: kind of worked out found your niche found a niche. Well,

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Speaker 16: I think we photographed, photographed super yots around the planet.

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Speaker 16: I mean, so you know, I don't even know what

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Speaker 16: a super yow was when I was a.

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Speaker 3: Kid, just saying I want, I want some nice pictures

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Speaker 3: of my beautiful, beautiful yacht.

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Speaker 17: Base.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, I'm off, I'm off the Turkey. Now

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Speaker 16: there's a there's a yard down in south of Turkey

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Speaker 16: and Talia, and I'm flying over there for a week.

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Speaker 2: And you're that good that you need to fly. You

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Speaker 2: need to be flying to Turkey to take the shot

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Speaker 2: of the yacht. They can't just get.

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Speaker 16: No, no, no, So yeah, back up of But I

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Speaker 16: guess I spent thirteen years of my life in London

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Speaker 16: mastering what I was doing, making networking a lot of people,

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Speaker 16: all the designers, all the builders, all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 16: So and then kind of got no one for what

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Speaker 16: I did because when I got onto it, there wasn't

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Speaker 16: really anything exciting photography wise and video wise, so you

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Speaker 16: kind of yeah, got no one for it. And I

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Speaker 16: was like, all right, time to move home, you know.

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Speaker 16: I thought it needs to go to school.

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Speaker 5: I'm to do it.

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Speaker 16: And he's yelling, and so we moved back here and

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Speaker 16: I'm just like, oh, I'll have to do the long

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Speaker 16: haul flights.

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Speaker 3: Now do you do you run breed media? Is it

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Speaker 3: your business?

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Speaker 4: What's that?

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Speaker 3: Is it breed media or is it your business?

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Speaker 5: Yep?

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Speaker 3: Oh, make google me. I'm just saying to look at

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Speaker 3: some of you. Like your shots. They are stunning, some

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Speaker 3: good looking yachts.

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Speaker 16: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's a yacht going to a people. There was that

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Speaker 2: seconds before that? Yeah, that was that second before super

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Speaker 2: Yo got sucked down a plug hole.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well mate, it is a fantastic story and you've

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Speaker 3: got a great job. So thank you very much for

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Speaker 3: giving us a buzz.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, have a fantastic trip in Turkey.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, enjoy it. What a job. Right, We've got to

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Speaker 3: play some messages, but we'll be back very shortly with

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Speaker 3: a few of your texts. That is ten to four the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything

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Speaker 1: in between.

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Speaker 4: Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons, used talks.

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Speaker 3: B News talks there B it is seven to four.

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Speaker 2: I think we have to stop telling kids that they

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Speaker 2: have to be special. They don't have to find a passion,

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Speaker 2: they don't need to know what they are going to

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Speaker 2: do with their lives spiritually. It's it's a horrible way

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Speaker 2: to put on a kid that you are a special

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Speaker 2: individual and you're amazing, because we can't all be that.

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Speaker 2: I think Prof. Jair is right. They need to be

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Speaker 2: told kids to go hard and whatever they have talented,

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Speaker 2: be great in whatever profession, however boring it is perceived

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Speaker 2: to be by others, one that you can get into

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Speaker 2: be significant there. I reckon that the best life is

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Speaker 2: a normal, soldid life in which you can support your

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Speaker 2: partner and your kids, have some friends and family around you,

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Speaker 2: be part of a community, Become a solid person people

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Speaker 2: can depend on. That's better than your special influence of

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Speaker 2: famous persons, celebrated dream be important to a group of people.

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Speaker 2: You actually know that that is the perfect life. Following

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Speaker 2: your passion's works for a few those people end up

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Speaker 2: writing autobiographies. So we think that that is possible for

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Speaker 2: all of us. But that isn't even the best life.

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Speaker 2: The best life is the solid, meaningful life surrounded by

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Speaker 2: people who can depend on you. So I think we

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Speaker 2: should tell kids to forget fame. Go family tellings that

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Speaker 2: kids they're special as a trap. Now be normal and

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Speaker 2: important to people you know and love. I say, give

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Speaker 2: up your dreams, everyone.

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Speaker 3: Give them up, mostly said mate. There was beautiful. Ah right,

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Speaker 3: great discussion. Thank you to everybody who call and teached

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Speaker 3: over the course of the afternoon. Herether is up after

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Speaker 3: four o'clock and she'll be crossing live to the United

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Speaker 3: States to get analysis on Donald Trump's State of the

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Speaker 3: Nation address. A lot of anticipation, a hit of that.

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Speaker 3: It's ongoing as we tell you what. The Democrats do

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Speaker 3: not like what they're hearing. They are stone faced, they

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Speaker 3: are very angry on whatever he's saying. At the moment, they're.

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01:51:28,772 --> 01:51:31,852
Speaker 2: Running an upside down smile as hard as they possibly can.

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Speaker 3: So that's going to be a doozy after five o'clock

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Speaker 3: with Heather.

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Speaker 2: All right, Tyler, what am I playing here? Why am

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Speaker 2: I playing the songs?

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Speaker 3: I don't actually know the songs? Clearly there's a give

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Speaker 3: up your dreams in there somewhere. Who seeks this.

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Speaker 2: It's a fantastic Wellington band the Phoenix Foundation.

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Speaker 3: Oh how good because we've just said that fantastic discussion

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Speaker 3: about following your talents over your passion and give up

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Speaker 3: your dreams.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll be live from lunchme tomorrow. Until then,

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Speaker 2: wherever you are, what have you doing? Give a taste

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Speaker 2: of away from us, love from.

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Speaker 4: Don't let anyone say that the world is your oyster.

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Speaker 4: The world is not an oyster.

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Speaker 13: The world is a cold don planet floating through an

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Speaker 13: infinite space and a ceaseless channing to its own destruction

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Speaker 13: and all the we can do about it.

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Speaker 4: We'll be all right about things and get all the stuff.

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Speaker 13: You're not your humor, I love you, I love you,

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Speaker 13: I'm louser and music, stop the part.

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Speaker 2: Of the scenes. I'muser and ves in my belief.

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