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Speaker 1: Brian Bridge.

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Speaker 2: Working people are concerned about insecurity and work, housing health.

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Speaker 2: This according to the latest Mood of the Workforce survey.

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Speaker 2: This is the CTU, the Council of Trade Unions. They've

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Speaker 2: pold nineteen hundred of their own members in response to

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Speaker 2: The Herald's Mood of the Boardroom survey that looks to

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Speaker 2: talk to CEOs. Respondents were in support of a capital

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Speaker 2: gains tax. No surprise there, I suppose for unions, and

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Speaker 2: they were concerned with the direction the government is taking

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Speaker 2: us in. The CTU President Richard Wagstaff is with me.

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Speaker 1: Good evening, Good evening, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Anything surprised you about these results?

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Speaker 1: I think what was surprising was just how much people

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Speaker 1: have shifted in the last twelve months. This survey has

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Speaker 1: done every year at the beginning of the year, and

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Speaker 1: you know, we know it's been pretty hard for working

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Speaker 1: people for quite some time now with the cost of

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Speaker 1: living crisis and other issues rent and so forth. And

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Speaker 1: a year ago, of course they experienced a month of

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Speaker 1: this government, and now the books experience just over a

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Speaker 1: year of this government. And while there was not a

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Speaker 1: lot of optimism given the changes to the fair pay agreements,

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Speaker 1: ninety day trials and saying it's going to be tough.

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Speaker 1: What you see coming through this survey is much more

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Speaker 1: an experience of being unemployed or being a cure in

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Speaker 1: terms of your not just your job, but your housing

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Speaker 1: and your health.

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Speaker 2: As you said in introduction, so does this include people

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Speaker 2: who've lost their jobs? Because would you You wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: a member anymore, would you if you lost your job?

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Speaker 1: This is a survey taken from our database. Just as

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Speaker 1: you say mood of the boardroom and business confidence. These

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Speaker 1: are basically people who are on our database. Many of

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Speaker 1: them may have had a job earlier, no longer have.

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Speaker 1: What's also come through it, of course, is people who

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Speaker 1: have remained at work are talking about their jobs getting

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Speaker 1: bigger because there's fewer people to do them, and also

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Speaker 1: being left there when they've had colleagues who have left.

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Speaker 1: And here some of the respondents have been pretty difficult

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Speaker 1: to read because I've talked about that sense of not

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Speaker 1: wanting to sort of raise is shoes or raisor sshoes

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Speaker 1: either work or in their accommodation, because they feel so

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Speaker 1: insecure and they know that there's there there's plenty people

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Speaker 1: out there who want their job or their house if

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Speaker 1: they aren't time put to head up. It's tough in

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Speaker 1: a vulnerable position.

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Speaker 2: And interestingly, Winston Peters did quite well in this survey.

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Speaker 1: Well he did relative to the last time, that's right.

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Speaker 1: He came up a bit, but which was interesting to see.

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately for the government, nor that the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 1: the Minister of Growth or Finance, nor the Minister of

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Speaker 1: Workplace Relations or the leader of the party did very

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Speaker 1: well at all. They were hammered, really the vast majority

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Speaker 1: of people thinking they're not doing a good job. And

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Speaker 1: I think you know what came through is a sense

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Speaker 1: of they're not working for us. They seem to be

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Speaker 1: accommodating interests of big business, of bobbyists, of tobacco companies,

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Speaker 1: of doing tax reform for people who aren't us, and

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Speaker 1: what about us. We're working people and we need a

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Speaker 1: better we need a better a fair system here and

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Speaker 1: we're not getting it.

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Speaker 2: Is there disappointment in labor for the you know, first

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Speaker 2: of all, what they did to the economy to get

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Speaker 2: us here in the first place, but also their move

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Speaker 2: away from workers towards I didn't even know what they

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Speaker 2: became towards the end there, but there was a sense

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Speaker 2: that they had a kind of lost touch with the worker.

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Speaker 1: Well, this survey is about, you know, how people are

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Speaker 1: feeling right now with the current government. I think that

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Speaker 1: this survey is a wake up call for all politicians.

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Speaker 1: Working people think their bread and butter issues are important.

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Speaker 1: They want good jobs, they want employment security, they want

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Speaker 1: a future, and really we agree strongly with them, of course,

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Speaker 1: the Trade Union Council Council trade unions, but we want

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Speaker 1: to see that too. We want to see political parties

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Speaker 1: owning the problems of working people and understanding that they

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Speaker 1: are very crucial in terms of the future of this

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Speaker 1: country and they need to be They need to be understood.

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Speaker 1: And you know, insecurity is not good for anybody. We

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Speaker 1: need people to be confident about the future and investing

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Speaker 1: in it, not leaving town or leaving country for greener pastures.

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Speaker 2: Richard, thank you for that. Richard Wagstaff, the Council of

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Speaker 2: Trained Union's president, with us on the mood of the workforce,

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Speaker 2: which was set up to as a kind of counter

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Speaker 2: to the mood of the boardroom. From The Herald. For

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