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Speaker 1: Today we hear from the Abuse and Care Royal Commission.

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Speaker 1: More than three thousand survivors gave evidence over sixty years.

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Speaker 1: One of those survivors is Keen clear Water, who's with us.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Good morning, Mike. What does today mean to you?

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Speaker 2: It's messive. I mean for me, this is you know,

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Speaker 2: I've been doing this work now since ninety ninety four,

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Speaker 2: so thirty years. But then the men that I've been

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Speaker 2: working with, for them, it's their lifetimes, you know, some

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Speaker 2: of them were four and five years old. So so

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Speaker 2: it's pretty MESSI and I think, I really think the

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Speaker 2: country are going to be shocked once they once they

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Speaker 2: read the report.

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Speaker 1: Very interested that you've read the report.

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Speaker 2: No, we know so no one's seen it. No one's

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Speaker 2: seen it. But I think the even that the news,

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's given it all lay at Zimbargo,

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Speaker 2: so now we've got no idea of what's in it.

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Speaker 2: I was pretty fortunate. I was one of the commissioners

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Speaker 2: on the Royal Commission, so they got to meet you know,

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Speaker 2: like quite a few of the survivors that came through it.

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Speaker 1: Did this stories you here correlate with what you knew?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, yes, it did. I was shocked with some

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Speaker 2: because I've been working over the years with a lot

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Speaker 2: of guys that were in the gangs and in the

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Speaker 2: prison system. That's why I started. When I started at

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Speaker 2: ninety four, is when guys started disclosing what had happened

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Speaker 2: to them. And I will be honest with you, in

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Speaker 2: my heaven, with my own experience as a survivor of

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Speaker 2: childhood sex, it was like it was like listening to

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Speaker 2: a Stephen King novel. Well, some of the horrendous stuff

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Speaker 2: that was done to these innocent kids.

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Speaker 1: What's the point? And don't misunderstand why I asked the question.

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Speaker 1: You know, given we know what happened, and given what

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Speaker 1: we will hear today is a confirmation of what we knew,

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Speaker 1: what's been the point.

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Speaker 2: The point is the fact that it's going to the

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Speaker 2: public again. And know people are going to know because

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Speaker 2: nearly every person that I've worked with, men and woman,

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Speaker 2: have never been believed. Don't lie a priest, wouldn't do that,

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Speaker 2: or don't lie, that wouldn't happen to you in a

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Speaker 2: voice home that you know, you know you wouldn't get

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Speaker 2: raped and tortured and electrocuted and stuff like that, and

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Speaker 2: so people would never believe. So as a young boy

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Speaker 2: or a young girl growing up and you're telling your

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Speaker 2: truth and everyone's calling you a liar. So this is

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Speaker 2: an opportunity to validate what actually happened to these kids.

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Speaker 1: How much of what was going on there was mad

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Speaker 1: experimentation in other words, it was sanctioned by the state,

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Speaker 1: and how much of it was just straight up and

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Speaker 1: down abuse by thugs. It was both.

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Speaker 2: And I mean when you look at doctor Leeks from

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Speaker 2: the in the Lake Alis case, I mean he was

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Speaker 2: electrocuting kids for the sake of elexecuting, not not for treatment,

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Speaker 2: and so that was on their genitals and things like that,

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Speaker 2: locking six seven eight year old kids up in solitary

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Speaker 2: confinement for weeks on end, and things like that, standing

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Speaker 2: out in the yard at three o'clock in the morning

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Speaker 2: and getting naked and getting hose down because you said

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Speaker 2: something back to someone. And the beatings were absolutely horrendous.

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Speaker 1: So we get this report today, the apologies coming in November.

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Speaker 1: It can't put it right. But does it do enough.

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Speaker 2: That the apologies no good unless there's some action with it.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, I look at the guys that I

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Speaker 2: work with that have been in and out of institutions

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Speaker 2: all their lives, can't get jobs, never had jobs, they

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Speaker 2: were not educated. Ninety percent of the never got any education,

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Speaker 2: so their lives have been completely destroyed. So you've got

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Speaker 2: to have a lot of it. What do we put

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Speaker 2: in place to help these guys health issues, counseling and

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Speaker 2: supports like that, and a lot of guys still are

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Speaker 2: still in stake here because they're on benefits, or they're

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Speaker 2: in prison, or they're in the mental health system. So

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Speaker 2: it's about what can you put in place to help

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Speaker 2: these guys woman, you know, e a decent life over

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Speaker 2: the next few years.

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Speaker 1: Go well today, I can appreciate your time, King clear Water,

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