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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tamee podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at Me Now.

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Speaker 2: Classic female country artists like Dolly Parton, Loretta and Patsy Kline,

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Speaker 2: Faith Hill, and even modern day musicians like Casey Musgraves,

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Speaker 2: Taylor Swift, Kerry Underwood, and Shania Twain are musical pioneers

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Speaker 2: doing a fair share in elevating the country genre to

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Speaker 2: the conglomerate it is today. So it may surprise you

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Speaker 2: that just ten percent of country music airplay and awards

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Speaker 2: are granted to women. This is just one of the

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Speaker 2: astonishing facts peppered through Tammy Nielsen's latest show, The F Word,

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Speaker 2: which combines the research of musicology professor doctor Jada Watson

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Speaker 2: with music. Tammy Nielsen is New Zealand's own country music pioneer,

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Speaker 2: having won the twy for Best Country Album three consecutive times,

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Speaker 2: and doctor Jada Watson has spent the best part of

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Speaker 2: two decades researching country music in the US. Tammy and

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Speaker 2: Jada join me now, Good morning, Good morning. I told

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Speaker 2: you it was quite an introduction.

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Speaker 3: That's a good one.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask probably what might sound like a really

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Speaker 2: silly question to start off with, but I feel that

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Speaker 2: the word country music is such a broad term. I

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Speaker 2: was wondering, maybe, Timmy, if you wanted to start off

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Speaker 2: by describing country music to someone who maybe isn't so

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Speaker 2: familiar with the genre.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, country music is. It's a huge umbrella

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Speaker 3: with a lot of different subgenres under it. So you know,

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Speaker 3: everyone from Neil Young to Johnny Cash to Patsy Klein

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Speaker 3: to Taylor Swift. You know, these are, like you would think,

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Speaker 3: people in completely different musical genres, but they are all

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Speaker 3: kind of little subgenres under the umbrella of country music,

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Speaker 3: which is, you know, encompasses what's supposed to be you know,

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Speaker 3: the stories and the music of the people.

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Speaker 2: So Jaida, when you refer to country music, do you

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Speaker 2: use that broad umbrella as well.

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Speaker 4: That's a tough question. Uh, yeah, I really do. But

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Speaker 4: I probably approach it from a different angle than Tammy

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Speaker 4: does because she comes from the artist's perspective, so she's

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Speaker 4: probably thinking musically or sonically, whereas oftentimes I find I'm

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Speaker 4: thinking institutionally. So you know, I would I would be

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Speaker 4: thinking about, you know, mainstream channels, like whether or not

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Speaker 4: artists are operating within the music row system in Nashville

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Speaker 4: or outside of it and what that what that means. So,

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Speaker 4: you know, some of the artists that Tammy mentioned definitely

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Speaker 4: are operating within you know, mainstream Nashville music making process,

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Speaker 4: and then some aren't. And so that I tend to

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Speaker 4: I tend to focus on the institutional side of things

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Speaker 4: through my.

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Speaker 2: Work Got You Now, Temmy, a journey of feminist country

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Speaker 2: songs on International Women's Day, That's what the show was

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Speaker 2: all about. What sparked the idea behind this show.

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Speaker 3: Well, I kind of I kind of rope Jada into

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Speaker 3: this before she realized she was even involved. We both

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Speaker 3: are very vocal. I think we first met on Twitter,

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Speaker 3: didn't we Yes, And we're both quite vocal about challenging

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Speaker 3: inequality in the genre in the country music industry. ME

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Speaker 3: from an artist's perspective obviously, and Jada from a researcher's perspective.

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Speaker 3: And I followed her because she wrote, you know this

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Speaker 3: incredible articles that were in you know, USA Today and

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Speaker 3: all of the world stone you know, So I kind

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Speaker 3: of got to know her through her research and publishing

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Speaker 3: her research on all of these music kind of institutions.

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Speaker 3: And what I loved about her work was that for

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Speaker 3: an artist. She was kind of giving us the tools

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Speaker 3: to feel validated. I guess, you know, vindicated because for years,

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Speaker 3: everyone in the music industry knows that there's a massive imbalance,

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Speaker 3: especially in country music, but in music in general. But

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Speaker 3: it's kind of an unspoken knowledge. Everyone just knows it.

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Speaker 3: But Jada kind of provided these black and white, this

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Speaker 3: data research that actually proved that it wasn't just how

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Speaker 3: kind of had this idea of marrying her research and

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Speaker 3: and kind of intersperse it between the actual music she's

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Speaker 3: of women in country music through song, but also backing

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Speaker 3: it up with just that real, uh you know, juxtaposition

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Speaker 3: of like you celebrate this wonderful music, but then getting

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Speaker 2: So you're going to bring us up, Timmy, and then

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Speaker 2: you're just gonna draw you. We're gonna drop down, then

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Speaker 2: we're gonna come up again, then you're gonna drop us down.

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Speaker 2: I can see. I can see how this is gonna go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I always say, I always say, you know, as

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Speaker 2: It's so Tommy, just out of interest. Did the facts

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Speaker 2: that Jada uncovered surprise you? Although, as you say, was

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Speaker 2: it more just confirmation of what you already knew?

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Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't surprising, but it was even though we

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Speaker 3: know there's an imbalance, seeing it in black and white

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Speaker 3: and seeing the actual numbers and percentages was still It's

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Speaker 3: like a punch to the gut, you know, and I

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Speaker 3: even though yeah, not surprising, was still shocking somehow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jada, why is it the way it is? I

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Speaker 2: might be wrong here, but I was under the the

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Speaker 2: idea that over the last of twenty years, the fastest

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Speaker 2: radio stations, that they were growing so so fast. So

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Speaker 2: I was really taken back to see that actually, you know,

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Speaker 2: those on those stations. Or on any station is by women.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this is a great question, you know.

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Speaker 4: I guess country has always been one of the largest formats.

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Speaker 4: I can't remember the exact number, but there's there's over

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Speaker 4: two thousand country stations in the United States, and there

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Speaker 4: there really has always been a very high number of

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Speaker 4: country stations. It's one of the three pillar formats in

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Speaker 4: the United States, Black black music radio and pop or

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Speaker 4: Top forty would be the sort of third pillar. And

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Speaker 4: these three pillars have their roots in the nineteen twenties

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Speaker 4: threes of radio types. But I think what's important to

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Speaker 4: remember is that country music has a you know, it's

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Speaker 4: celebrating its one hundredth year kind of right now as

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Speaker 4: we as we head into twenty twenty five. Is that

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Speaker 4: where we're going right now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty twenty five is the one hundredth anniversary of

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Speaker 4: the Grand Ole Opry, which is the very first and

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Speaker 4: and sort of founding country station, which was a variety

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Speaker 4: piece that's that's important to remember is that these issues

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Speaker 4: and this was nineteen twenties United States, racially segregated country,

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Speaker 4: then sort of built into that framework was also different

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Speaker 4: historically been underrepresented in all cultural spheres, and country music

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Speaker 4: is just one of those places. And one of the

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Speaker 4: Carter family and in the nineteen twenties when they were

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Speaker 4: you know, part of those original sessions of recording artists

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Speaker 4: woman in the lead will never sell. And yet we

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Speaker 4: think of them as the founding family of country music.

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Speaker 4: And so that idea of women not selling or as

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Speaker 4: not being possible to sell has really been baked into

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Speaker 4: that's a story that women are constantly battling that their

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Speaker 4: albums won't sell, that they're songs won't make ratings on radio,

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Speaker 4: that they can't sell out tours, and so a lot

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Speaker 4: of the industry has devised all of these sort of

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Speaker 4: still won't do it today. You will very rarely, if ever,

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Speaker 4: see two women headlining a festival or a tour. Women

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Speaker 4: ideas are very old. They go back to the founding

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Speaker 2: In the nineties, women were played a lot more on

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Speaker 2: rhymes and things. Are we going backwards since the end?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely? Yeah, nineteen ninety was the decade of highest representation

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Speaker 4: of songs by women in country in general. And while

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Speaker 4: it was thirty three percent. And so you have this

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Speaker 4: very slow increase from six point five percent of the

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Speaker 4: nineteen fifty eight to this historic peak of thirty three

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Speaker 2: So is this an industry that's trying not to change? Yes,

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Speaker 2: just that I sunt up there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the bottom line I think for an

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Speaker 2: So, Temmy, what shape do you think the country music

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Speaker 2: genre is in in New Zealand? Do we have the

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Speaker 2: same issues of representation?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Man, I mean, we don't even have a terrestrial radio station.

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Speaker 3: We don't have any country music platforms other than Southern

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Speaker 3: Cross Country on iHeartRadio, which just started this year. We

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Speaker 3: New Zealand has definitely been a challenge. It is the

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Speaker 3: music of the people, you know, And I remember doing

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Speaker 3: a radio interview with on a mainstream station that don't

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Speaker 3: duet with Willie Nelson and they said to me, oh,

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Speaker 3: it must be real hard being a country artist here.

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Speaker 3: You know, people don't really like country music in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: And I said, well, the fact that I have the

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Speaker 3: me that the people of New Zealand do love country music.

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Speaker 3: It's just the fact that we do not have any outlets.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you look at the top of our

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Speaker 3: them repeatedly, and which is wonderful that New Zealand music

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Speaker 3: is supported, but it would be lovely to see that

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Speaker 3: for our female artists as well. But the fact that

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Speaker 3: country artist in New Zealand who gets zero radio play.

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Speaker 3: To be number one on the charts is nothing but fans.

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Speaker 3: That is no help from industry or radio play, and

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Speaker 3: so I do have hope in that. There's never been

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Speaker 3: a time where fans can directly you know, there's not

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Speaker 2: Tammy, I think this is going to be a ripper

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be an absolutely fantastic show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, and I'm looking forward to it because Jada

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Speaker 2: The if Word is on Saturday, match eighth at Auckland

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