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Speaker 1: Heather due for CELA ten past four nine two nine twos,

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Speaker 1: the text number standard text fees applying. Brook van Dalden's

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Speaker 1: obviously the minister who's called this inquiry. We'll have a

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Speaker 1: little chat to her just get exact, exact idea of

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Speaker 1: the scope when she's with us after five o'clock. Now,

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Speaker 1: the New Zealand India relationship was being tested by a

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Speaker 1: familiar issue, which is the huge number of student visa rejections.

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Speaker 1: Stats from Immigration show that between October last year and

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Speaker 1: this May that's just gone, Indian student visa applications only

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Speaker 1: got approved forty seven percent of the time. That compares

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Speaker 1: to an approval rate of eighty nine percent for Chinese students.

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Speaker 1: The Immigration Minister says it's not blanked geographic discrimination, but

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Speaker 1: rather than just more high risk applications from Indian applicants.

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Speaker 1: So Nil Koschel is the president of the White Tarkti

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Speaker 1: Indian Association and with us. Now, hey, Sir neil Hi,

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Speaker 1: do you buy the argument it's just that there are

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Speaker 1: more high risk candidates coming out of India.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't buy that argument at all. India is

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Speaker 2: a diverse land and you know, we know that there

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Speaker 2: are very talented and skilled people out there who want

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Speaker 2: to further their education and coming to New Zealand is

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Speaker 2: a great opportunity for us economically also and from a

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Speaker 2: tourism point of view. I do agree that we need

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Speaker 2: to be cautious as in who we let in with

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Speaker 2: the qualification that they are seeking for rather than the

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Speaker 2: law level pre forward. And we don't want dodgy students

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Speaker 2: coming in, but real interested students. And I don't buy

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Speaker 2: any argument that it's a high risk country. I mean

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Speaker 2: there are other countries also where we are getting students from.

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Speaker 1: If you do not believe the argument, then what do

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Speaker 1: you think is really going on here?

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Speaker 2: I think they're just being very cautious as to who

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Speaker 2: they're let in and from what parts of India.

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Speaker 1: Why are they being so cautious with India and for example,

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Speaker 1: not with China.

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Speaker 2: I think it's there are other things to play there.

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Speaker 2: It could be geopolitical, it could be what sort of

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Speaker 2: they've probably seen. I mean, our can'ts speak for immigration.

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Speaker 2: But their argument that because of the lack of funds

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Speaker 2: or the funds not being verified, I actually, in my

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Speaker 2: previous role, introduced the funds transfer Scheme, which was implemented

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Speaker 2: in India, in China, in Philippines and other countries in

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Speaker 2: partnership with immigration, and we were there to verify that

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Speaker 2: there is the amount needed to come to New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Now we cannot tell people where you should get money

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Speaker 2: from their argument that oh, it's from another institution, etc.

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Speaker 2: In New Zealand, we pay, We pay a student loan,

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Speaker 2: parents help their families or their kids go into college.

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Speaker 2: People go overseas they can work there. So why can't

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Speaker 2: we have the same barometer for every place, for every

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Speaker 2: student coming from different nations. I mean, why have different

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Speaker 2: standards there? That's just not acceptable And who is losing

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Speaker 2: out not only the students but also in New Zealand economy,

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Speaker 2: New Zealand institutions, we are losing our Australia as Australia

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Speaker 2: has been very careful because they don't have enough rental

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Speaker 2: places there. So you know it's our head time.

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Speaker 1: But what are you hearing in terms of how much

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Speaker 1: of a strain this is putting on the relationship between

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Speaker 1: India and New Zealand, which is so important to us

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Speaker 1: at the moment because we want an FTA.

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Speaker 2: I completely agree with you heither on there, because India.

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Speaker 2: When the Indian Foreign Master was here, he raised it up.

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Speaker 2: India wants mobility, not just with New Zealand but throughout

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Speaker 2: the world. They say that, you know, usually allow our

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Speaker 2: people to travel to work, to for tourism, etc. And

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Speaker 2: if New Zealand keeps doing this, it will definitely put

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Speaker 2: us train because that's one of their requirements from their side.

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Speaker 1: So Neil, thank you. I appreciate that. S Neil Koschel,

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Speaker 1: who's the president of the White Targeting Indian Association. For

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