1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Golra's garment has been convicted for theft. She'd ask for 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: a discharge without conviction, but Judge June Jealous denied that application. Instead, 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: she was fined sixteen hundred dollars when she was convicted. 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Then she was fined sixteen hundred dollars, and then she 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: was ordered to pay court costs of two hundred and 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: sixty dollars. Herald reporter Craig Capitan was in court for 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: US High Craig, Hi, Heather, how are you very well? 8 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: Thank you. Did the judge say why she didn't buy 9 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: the discharge without conviction argument? 10 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: Well, no, she didn't in court. Actually she hasn't yet 11 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: released her full simmencing notes, but she did say simply 12 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: that the statutory test had not been met. 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: The what sorry, had not been met? 14 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: Sorry? The statutory test all right? Or discharge without conviction 15 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: and not been met. I know that's a bit of 16 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: a legally. Basically, the law requires that caught, the consequences 17 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: of a conviction needs to be out of all proportioned 18 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: at the gravity or seriousness of this bench if you're 19 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: not going to have a conviction. So the Crown had 20 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: argued on Monday that that wasn't the case. This was 21 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 2: a serious repeat offending involving significant breach of trust in 22 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: her position of power. And then the defense argued unsuccessfully, 23 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: of course, that the setbacks that would come with the 24 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 2: conviction would be out of all proportion to her defending, 25 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: especially when you take into account the mental health aspects 26 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: of the case. 27 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: What does this mean for Goldris Garriman's legal career? Can 28 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: she practice law when she has a conviction. 29 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: Like this, Well, that's really to be determined. Nothing is 30 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: stopping her from applying for a law license again. Her 31 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: lawyer did argue quite insistently that a conviction does present 32 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: a significant hurdle to convincing the law society that she's 33 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 2: fit to practice, But the Crown noted that a conviction 34 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean she's automatically barred. The law society would 35 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: have to look at the whole picture like the judge should. 36 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: The concept. Basically, if she is barred, it'll be because 37 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: of her own offending, not because of any decision that 38 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: judge made in court today. 39 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: Does this preventive from going anywhere in the world? She 40 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: can try level freely or not. 41 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: Yes, she can move the country, although some nations like 42 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: a Canada and the United States do make it more 43 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: difficult for those with convictions to enter. She'll likely have 44 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: to fill out more forms, face more scrutiny than the 45 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: average traveler. So I wouldn't say she can travel freely, 46 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: but it's not an end to traveling. 47 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it means now we know that she's done 48 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: this interview with John Campbell, and she's issued a statement 49 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: to another media outlet, but she otherwise has been stune 50 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: right left. Court said nothing, Yeah, exactly. 51 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: She did immediate asked for an affidavit that she had 52 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: submitted to the court, and she didn't put up an 53 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: opposition to that. So at some point we may get 54 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: a little bit more from her own words. But of 55 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: course that's a lot different than a media scrum where 56 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: you're taking questions. 57 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: Yeah too, right, Hey, Craig, listen, Thank you very much, 58 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: really appreciated. This is Craig cap Ten, the Hero's reporter 59 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: who was in court for us. For more from Hither Dupless, 60 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: see Ellen Drive. Listen live to News Talks It from 61 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.