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Speaker 2: Helly, Great New Zealands and welcome to Mettin Tyler Full

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Speaker 2: Show podcast for the twentieth of March twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: It's a Friday, and look at tell you what the

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Speaker 2: show was all about happiness and not about rugby subs.

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Speaker 3: We were going to do rugby, we were, but we

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Speaker 3: touched that because you know, we were loving the Happiness show.

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Speaker 2: It got deep and it got philosophical, but it got uplifting.

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Speaker 2: I thought, so yeah, I really really really really enjoyed

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Speaker 2: the show. Also some chat about whether you should install

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Speaker 2: your own washing machine.

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Speaker 3: Good advice there, So download, subscribe and give us a review.

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Speaker 2: And give a toast you me?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 5: Then?

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Speaker 2: Okay, you seem busy.

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Speaker 1: Love you love big stories, the big issues, the big

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Speaker 1: trends and everything in between. It's Matt Heath and Tyler

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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoon squid s, Gooder, news talk.

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Speaker 3: S, ed B, very good afternoons here. Welcome into Friday Show.

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Speaker 3: So good to have you with us. Hope you having

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Speaker 3: a great Friday, so fas, how you doing, man, I'm

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Speaker 3: doing very very well.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, thank you. Looking forward to three hours of scintillation

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Speaker 2: in scintillating conversation on the one hundred and eighty teen eight.

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Speaker 3: We've got a great show for you because it is Friday.

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Speaker 3: As always, after three point thirty we have for you

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Speaker 3: New Zealander of the week it will be Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: also after three o'clock. We didn't get to this yesterday,

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Speaker 3: but we want to talk about it today. This is

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Speaker 3: about rugby clubs around New Zealand removing their fees to

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Speaker 3: try and get more younger players into the sport. It's

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Speaker 3: gaining momentum, there's more cubs are responding to falling numbers

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Speaker 3: thus seen at the grassroots level, and they hope that

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Speaker 3: going fee free will attract more kids. So the question

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Speaker 3: the cost that is causing that drop off, particularly in

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Speaker 3: rugby or is it just kids preferring other sports in

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Speaker 2: Sports and other things.

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Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, I mean I wouldn't have thought it was

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Speaker 2: the cost because subs aren't that much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, looking forward to that after three o'clock. After two o'clock,

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Speaker 3: New Zealander has slipped to eleven and the World Happiness

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Speaker 3: to less people being happier and more to having fewer

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Speaker 3: people who are deeply unhappy. There was also a significant

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in the news before Lord's even Unhappy's unhappy with

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Speaker 3: And if she's unhappy, Yeah, because that leave the rest

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Speaker 2: I'm speaking, which I heard Kate Hawksby on Hosking this

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Speaker 6: You know, we're trying to move on, we're trying to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that sums up a feeling

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Speaker 2: Zealanders just seem like a little paper boat afloat on

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Speaker 2: Are you managing to do it? How do you do it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to be a great chat after two.

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Speaker 3: But right now, leads have a chat about property managers.

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Speaker 3: This is after a story in the papers today about

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Speaker 3: unfortunately for the landlords, they went to the dispute tribunal

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Speaker 2: Of muppet can't install a washing machine.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was want. Do you need a tradesperson

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Speaker 2: Just to screw onto the taps pretty easy and then

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Speaker 2: that was organized by the property manager. Yes, and yet

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Speaker 2: they organize if they don't go ahead. Yeah, is that

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Speaker 3: Really, that was the outcome of the disputes Tribunal adjudicator.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what they said that even though they had

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Speaker 3: that it meant you were still paying them. They were

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two is the text number.

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Speaker 2: Craig says, Hey, guys, rented a property for twelve months,

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Speaker 2: it's all sorted. I'm paying this property manager. So that's

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Speaker 2: peace of mind. That's sort of they're inspecting the place,

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Speaker 2: it's all part of it. And what's actually happening is

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of trust involved. We got our property

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Speaker 3: eight months, it's been good. Haven't heard a dicky bird

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Speaker 2: But is it dyler just because you haven't heard, as

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Speaker 2: you say, a dicky bird. Yeah, like all your little,

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Speaker 3: I don't know where that one came from.

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Speaker 2: Like they're things that normal people say, but you haven't

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Speaker 2: heard of dickie bird. Is that a good thing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there could be massive holes in the wall.

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Speaker 2: There could be right now, someone's installed washing machine like

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Speaker 2: a total muppet yep, and it's just dribbling through the floor.

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Speaker 2: And the property manager has never hasn't been backed.

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Speaker 3: Highly likely Yeah, yep, my house is ruined and I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Know just because you haven't heard anything. Yeah, this goes

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Speaker 2: You should be worrying constantly that you haven't heard anything.

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Speaker 3: What do you say though, I eight one hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty as property manager of the Way to Go,

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Speaker 3: how do you find a good property manager and how

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Speaker 3: can you trust them? Or did you find it was

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Speaker 3: just easier to run the property yourself. Oh, eighte hundred

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is that number to cool? Share your story?

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine too if you prefer to send a text,

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Speaker 3: it is quarter past one.

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, I were at Plumbing World and sell lots

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Speaker 2: of the new super tubs. Hooking up the outlet outlet

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Speaker 2: hose of the washing machine can be quite difficult on

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Speaker 3: D okay, good to know, good to know, Yeah, get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but quite difficult.

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Speaker 3: You could do it, but you could do it. It's

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Speaker 3: just a hose. Lots of things are difficult if you

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Speaker 3: remupp It's called a pass one.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks, it'd.

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Speaker 3: Be eighteen pass one. Is a property manager worth it

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Speaker 3: to look after your property? Or is it easier to

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Speaker 2: The sixth says the reason why you need the professional

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Speaker 3: And you can see the washer when you're unscruining, you

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Speaker 9: So I had a very interesting experience with the property manager.

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Speaker 2: So how did you rumble there? Did you just notice

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Speaker 9: And then the next court came along and they paid

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Speaker 9: it was unbelievable. They just kept on paying bills which

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Speaker 2: Right there because they were too lazy to argue. They

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Speaker 2: And then in that in that case, terance, it's more

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Speaker 2: you've got more than twice your written quote. And they're

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, And that that just happened for three years. By

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Speaker 12: And do you think do.

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Speaker 2: You think that do you think that they were paying

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Speaker 9: No, I think they were taking some of the money.

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Speaker 9: They were every time they used an outside contractor. They

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Speaker 9: on top of any quote. For example, one of the contractors.

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Speaker 9: The reason I know this because one of the contractors

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Speaker 9: Under all the costings and all that sort of thing,

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Speaker 9: I knew exactly how much he was charging for the

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Speaker 9: was just basically doubling bills or more and pocketing the money.

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Speaker 2: And did you did you find out that the person

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Speaker 2: Did you approach them? And so they wow, yep, that's

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Speaker 9: I said, what's the story? And they and they said, oh,

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Speaker 9: now that's that's how much we have to charge. It

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Speaker 9: I mean, including an entire room was the carpet was

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Speaker 9: completely trashed and they'd got some second hand scraps of

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Speaker 9: know they didn't get any bond from the tenants to

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Speaker 9: which was substantial Cowboys.

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Speaker 13: Terrance, Well, this note this was a.

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Speaker 9: Very well known property management company and engine their name

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Speaker 2: So did you take the picture and go and confront

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Speaker 2: The last picture you sent me, which is just a

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Speaker 2: this damage in this room at all. Did you confront

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Speaker 9: We could have taken them to court, probably one maybe

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Speaker 9: close to fifty thousand dollars, that's how much it costs us.

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Speaker 9: But at the time somebody actually tried to kidnap me.

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Speaker 9: We're in Africa, and so we came back completely traumatized,

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Speaker 9: quite frankly, just not up to the task of you know,

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Speaker 2: You tell us any can you tell us any details

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Speaker 9: Yeah, basically what happens. I was in an African country

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Speaker 9: And you can hire a policeman for about one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 9: And somebody found out who I was and then figured

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Speaker 9: so they hired a policeman to come around and.

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Speaker 14: Grabbed me.

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Speaker 9: Luckily I was out of the house at the time,

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Speaker 9: but they tried the previous attempt at a road block

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Speaker 9: going to take me into custody basically for nothing. Wow,

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Speaker 9: it was just for questioning. But part of that questioning process,

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Speaker 9: they take your passport off you, and that's that you're

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Speaker 2: Right, and so because you didn't go in there, did

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Speaker 9: Man, my kids. Yeah, so we just literally fled not

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Speaker 9: a very good lawyer. Good lawyer basically said, you said, yeah,

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Speaker 9: you're you're somebody they're trying to conduct you. So you know, here,

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Speaker 9: here's here's how much you pay to the head of immigration,

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Speaker 9: So so and so you know, basically within three days

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Speaker 3: Sounds like a movie tearance. So when you said, someone

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Speaker 3: identify yourself. But I take it that you know you're

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Speaker 3: you're fairly well to do, or you know, you had

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Speaker 3: a reputation of having money, Is that right?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, if you type my name into Google, I'm

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you want to say who you are? I'm

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well if if you type my name correctly into Google,

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Speaker 9: the rights but well you really want to do that, okay,

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Speaker 9: Well my name is Terrence bull t E double A

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Speaker 9: E n C E. Well b U double L. Just

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Speaker 3: Good looking man, congrats.

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Speaker 15: So.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so so so yeah, I've built a few global

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Speaker 9: much as I can. But for obvious reasons, well.

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Speaker 2: For a few thousand people googling you right now.

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Speaker 3: Just don't go back to.

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Speaker 9: Completely saved in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: So if you had, we're massively off topic. It's very

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Speaker 2: very interesting, Terrence. So the police would take you in

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Speaker 9: Basically what they do is they threaten you with all

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Speaker 9: it's all nothing. And there was actually a couple of

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Speaker 9: being shot basically, and there's some escaped with minor with injuries,

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Speaker 9: but he was shot as well. And they came into

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Speaker 9: and they came straight up to his apartment, knew that

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Speaker 9: shot them in the process. Remember the police are the

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Speaker 9: only people with guns here. Anybody getting shot, it's the

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Speaker 9: only people with guns. Believe, I could tell you all

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Speaker 9: sorts of story is about how we know that. And

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Speaker 9: which was like a trade and met for cars, and

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Speaker 9: he came he grew up in South Africa, actually went

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Speaker 9: and they do. They again got into a secure confound

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Speaker 2: Wow, well, so hell of an experience you've had. Well,

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Speaker 2: so much and sorry what happened to your house. But

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you get and you and your family

440
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Speaker 2: got out of Kenya safely. Then Yeah, that's that's the

441
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Speaker 2: main thing, isn't it.

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Speaker 9: Thanks so much, a lot of fun coming back to thanks.

443
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Speaker 3: I bet it was, thank you very much. Fascinating call

444
00:21:02,093 --> 00:21:05,093
Speaker 3: from Darance. Yeah, that is full noise. But we will

445
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Speaker 3: get back to our discussion about property managers. If you

446
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Speaker 3: want to have a chat to you kidnap an experience as

447
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Speaker 3: well by all means O one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

448
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Speaker 3: But we will be back very shortly. It is twenty

449
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Speaker 3: nine past one.

450
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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions, it's the Mic Hosking breakfast.

451
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Speaker 2: This is the Willis Finance minister beck with us. We've

452
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Speaker 2: got petrol here and there's more on the water. We've

453
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Speaker 2: heard all that. Let's move the conversation forward. Are you

454
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Speaker 2: at the point where you've got the next lot of

455
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Speaker 2: shipment locked in?

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Speaker 11: What we know in South Korea if they've seid, they

457
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Speaker 11: want to have ninety percent of domestic consumption meet before

458
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Speaker 11: they do. Any experts Singapore are refining lease fuel than

459
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Speaker 11: they typically have, so if that could create a limitation

460
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Speaker 11: and future.

461
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Speaker 2: What was lux on about Ussian oil or South Korea

462
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Speaker 2: goes in by is Russian oil? Who cares well?

463
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Speaker 11: Our current sanctions has focused on the refined product rather

464
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Speaker 11: than where the fuel stock was received from. It wouldn't

465
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Speaker 11: affect New Zealand's ability to.

466
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Speaker 2: The Irony Nikola, What a wappy old world in which

467
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Speaker 2: we live? Back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking

468
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Speaker 2: Breakfast with Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

469
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Speaker 3: Twenty seven to two. We're horribly late, but plenty of

470
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Speaker 3: techs coming through. On nine to nine to two. A

471
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Speaker 3: few talking about Terris Terrence Ball, who talked to us

472
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Speaker 3: before about a kidnapping experience in Kenya. And this one says,

473
00:22:14,173 --> 00:22:16,613
Speaker 3: asked Terrance about magic beans. Yes, that was a book

474
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Speaker 3: that he wrote on business.

475
00:22:17,653 --> 00:22:19,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone said he should write a book.

476
00:22:19,133 --> 00:22:22,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, and beans, magic beans, the untold story.

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Speaker 2: If we're talking about property management and then someone tells

478
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Speaker 2: me that they've nearly got kidnapped and Kenya, I'm going

479
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Speaker 2: to talk about that for a little bit, but now

480
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Speaker 2: we'll get back to the property management situation.

481
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Speaker 3: Absolutely so a couple of takes on the property manager

482
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Speaker 3: situation and the question we've asked you is is it

483
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Speaker 3: better going a loan or have you had good success

484
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Speaker 3: with the property manager? This one yiday? Guys, Oh, this

485
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Speaker 3: is going back to the washing machine.

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Speaker 10: Matt.

487
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Speaker 3: I'm a certified plumber and would be more than happy

488
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Speaker 3: to install your machine for free, no catch, just paying

489
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Speaker 3: a favor. Forward chairs Chris Southam from Custom Plumbing Limited.

490
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Speaker 2: Chris at Custom dot dot is it you see? Thank

491
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Speaker 2: you so much, and maybe I'll need plumbing in the future.

492
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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is I can install a washing

493
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Speaker 2: machine just fine.

494
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Chris. But he's good to go.

495
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Speaker 2: I have the technology and the ability.

496
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Taking your calls on O one hundred and eighty

497
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Speaker 3: ten eighty and coming up after the headlines, we mentioned

498
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Speaker 3: the story that kicked this all off about two landlords

499
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Speaker 3: and one of them was Zach van Dorp. He's actually

500
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Speaker 3: been listening and he's caught up. So we're going to

501
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Speaker 3: have a chat to Zach very shortly. Headlines with Rayling

502
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Speaker 3: coming up. It is twenty six to two.

503
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505
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Speaker 15: Atomic Energy Agencies calling for a return to negotiations rather

506
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Speaker 15: than war in the Middle East. The agency says nuclear

507
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Speaker 15: knowledge cannot be bombed away. Recreational fishes are angry over

508
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Speaker 15: a proposed law change that could allow commercial crews to

509
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Speaker 15: catch undersized fish legacy. Sam Wilford says the Fishery's Amendment

510
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Speaker 15: Bill introduced by Minister Shane Jones is really short sighted.

511
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Speaker 15: One person's died and another person has serious injuries after

512
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Speaker 15: a two car crash on State Highway to north of

513
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Speaker 15: Gisbon this SMA. The road remains closed at way power

514
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Speaker 15: with major diversions in place. Police are trying to identify

515
00:24:16,493 --> 00:24:19,733
Speaker 15: a man found dead at a construction site on Umahu

516
00:24:19,853 --> 00:24:23,133
Speaker 15: Road in Hastings on Wednesday night. His death has been

517
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Speaker 15: treated as unexplained. New tracing shows purchased Maze from Waikato

518
00:24:28,773 --> 00:24:32,213
Speaker 15: is the likely source of the first velvetly fine this season.

519
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Speaker 15: Wikutto Regional Council says the invasive incursion was quickly contained.

520
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Speaker 15: Extra three hundred and fifty million liters of fuel storage

521
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Speaker 15: possible at Marsden Point, says an operator. You can see

522
00:24:45,693 --> 00:24:48,573
Speaker 15: more at Enzen Herald Premium. Now back to matt Ethan

523
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Speaker 15: Tyner Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylian. We're talking about property managers.

525
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Speaker 3: Have they been worthwhile? If you have taken on a

526
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Speaker 3: property manager or did it become too much hassle you

527
00:24:57,013 --> 00:24:59,133
Speaker 3: just decided to do yourself. Oh one hundred and eighteen

528
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Speaker 3: eighty is that number to call? In the story that

529
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Speaker 3: kicked all this off as a story of two Auckland landlords,

530
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Speaker 3: Zach and Sharon van Dorp, and the problems they had

531
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Speaker 3: with their property manager and tenant. And Zach has been

532
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Speaker 3: listening and he's given us a buzz and he's on

533
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Speaker 3: the line now get Zach. Yeah, yeah, how are you

534
00:25:15,453 --> 00:25:18,293
Speaker 3: very good? So we we gave a brief overview on

535
00:25:18,333 --> 00:25:20,973
Speaker 3: what happened in your guy's case, but just give us

536
00:25:21,053 --> 00:25:25,133
Speaker 3: the reader's digest vergin vergin version. Sorry, you went to

537
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Speaker 3: the dispute tribunal. Yeah, I know that was an unfortunate

538
00:25:27,733 --> 00:25:30,653
Speaker 3: slip of the time. You went to the dispute tribunal

539
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Speaker 3: for the property manager. Let's stick with those guys. And

540
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Speaker 3: what did the adjudicator say when that ruling was released?

541
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Speaker 16: Oh, look it was it was a pretty interesting case

542
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Speaker 16: where it comes to negligence. We've got you've got a

543
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Speaker 16: duty of care, you've got a breach of that duty,

544
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Speaker 16: and then you've got basically the causation. The adjudicator managed

545
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Speaker 16: to get really caught up on the causation piece after

546
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Speaker 16: figuring out that they definitely, you know, they admitted that

547
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Speaker 16: they had actually breached and.

548
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Speaker 9: They said, you know, that could have done better, and

549
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Speaker 9: that they hadn't.

550
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Speaker 16: Actually gone and checked at the watching the scene was

551
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Speaker 16: professionly installed. But the causation piece meant that, you know,

552
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Speaker 16: they do.

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Speaker 9: It on the balance of probabilities.

554
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Speaker 16: It's not like, you know, it's basically saying it's more

555
00:26:10,773 --> 00:26:13,253
Speaker 16: more likely than not. More likely not just means that

556
00:26:13,293 --> 00:26:15,613
Speaker 16: it has to be about a few percent or more

557
00:26:15,933 --> 00:26:20,893
Speaker 16: likely that the damages caused, you know, were because of

558
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Speaker 16: what had happened. And I said to them, you know,

559
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Speaker 16: a professionally in sword hose doesn't burst off the wall

560
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Speaker 16: after four weeks of use. I think that that's very obvious.

561
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Speaker 16: I think it's very easy to say that, you know,

562
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Speaker 16: that wouldn't happen less than you know, fifty percent of

563
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Speaker 16: the time. And yet know, he he seemed to think

564
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Speaker 16: that it does. He said, you know, he can't be

565
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Speaker 16: he can't be certain. That was the reason I thought

566
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Speaker 16: it's interesting because it means that they get to hide

567
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Speaker 16: behind the uncertainty that they actually caused in the first place.

568
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Speaker 16: Or it might be very similar of you know, when

569
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Speaker 16: you know, someone doesn't check a fire alarm properly and

570
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Speaker 16: then building burns down someone getshurt. You know, it's the

571
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Speaker 16: uncertainty that is the breach.

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Speaker 17: That was my argument.

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Speaker 2: But also also Zach, wasn't part does the deal that

574
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Speaker 2: it would be professionally installed when it came back in,

575
00:27:12,533 --> 00:27:16,013
Speaker 2: and so yeah, that's really the problem was That's really

576
00:27:16,053 --> 00:27:17,893
Speaker 2: the problem there, Isn't it that that part of it

577
00:27:18,013 --> 00:27:20,133
Speaker 2: was not done and not checked on it?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 16: Just you know, we we it was a really annoying

580
00:27:26,533 --> 00:27:31,053
Speaker 16: situation basically the the tenant, but the tenant basically you know,

581
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Speaker 16: said to us through the property managers, Hey, you know,

582
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Speaker 16: I've just you know, I want to move in, and

583
00:27:37,453 --> 00:27:40,013
Speaker 16: we said yeah cool, and then justice just moving in,

584
00:27:40,093 --> 00:27:42,213
Speaker 16: she said, oh, look, we I actually want to stare

585
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Speaker 16: our own washing machine and we don't actually have any

586
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Speaker 16: wit of you know, it's a friend new washing machine

587
00:27:46,333 --> 00:27:47,893
Speaker 16: in there and we don't have anywhere to put it.

588
00:27:47,933 --> 00:27:49,933
Speaker 16: So and it's been professionally installed, and it sort of

589
00:27:49,973 --> 00:27:51,773
Speaker 16: you know, makes our insurance a lot better if.

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Speaker 9: It's professionally installed.

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Speaker 16: So we said, no, we don't have anywhere to install it,

592
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Speaker 16: and it would would would it would sort of ruin

593
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Speaker 16: our insurance claims of elites on yours. And so she said, okay,

594
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Speaker 16: she's not going to do it. And then, funnily enough,

595
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Speaker 16: we actually live next door because you know, we were

596
00:28:06,693 --> 00:28:08,013
Speaker 16: we were in the apartment next door, and so we're

597
00:28:08,013 --> 00:28:10,533
Speaker 16: walking the hallway and love behold, dare she is removing

598
00:28:10,573 --> 00:28:13,253
Speaker 16: our washing machine. And so, you know, we didn't confront

599
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Speaker 16: her because you know, we want to go through the

600
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Speaker 16: property managers just keeps a nice barrier of protection, and

601
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Speaker 16: you know, so we went to them and said, look,

602
00:28:20,493 --> 00:28:23,133
Speaker 16: we've just seen her removing the washing machine. And they said, well,

603
00:28:23,133 --> 00:28:25,733
Speaker 16: look she's she's in the breach now, but she she's

604
00:28:25,773 --> 00:28:27,333
Speaker 16: just got to put it back at the end of

605
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Speaker 16: the tendency and you know, remedy that breach, that's.

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Speaker 2: The way work to washing machine. So did she put

607
00:28:33,693 --> 00:28:36,493
Speaker 2: your washing machine in storage so she could use her?

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Speaker 3: We have no idea what it was for the next

609
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Speaker 3: two years.

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Speaker 16: You know, like she could be hiring out to somebody

611
00:28:43,533 --> 00:28:46,093
Speaker 16: for we know, we don't know, but it just goes somewhere.

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00:28:46,213 --> 00:28:47,213
Speaker 17: We just don't know where it is.

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Speaker 9: The next two years whatever. And so she she.

614
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Speaker 16: Moved out, and you know, as we were having those

615
00:28:53,253 --> 00:28:56,173
Speaker 16: original discussions with the property manager, I said, look, we

616
00:28:56,213 --> 00:28:58,093
Speaker 16: now need to make sure that it gets professionally re

617
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Speaker 16: installed because we don't want to have a flood and

618
00:29:00,853 --> 00:29:03,373
Speaker 16: not be covered. And you know, that was all. We've

619
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Speaker 16: got that all through the written you know dialogues we

620
00:29:05,493 --> 00:29:08,893
Speaker 16: had with the company, and they said, we've got that

621
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Speaker 16: in writing, and she she'll have it, you know, will

622
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Speaker 16: make sure that happens. And so it should have been

623
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Speaker 16: a done in, dusted case. And then she she moved out,

624
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Speaker 16: and she didn't reinstall it properly. She just bunged it

625
00:29:18,253 --> 00:29:21,773
Speaker 16: back in her way and they didn't check. And then

626
00:29:22,493 --> 00:29:25,093
Speaker 16: four weeks after the next guy moves in, it's best

627
00:29:25,133 --> 00:29:28,013
Speaker 16: soft the wall. It's just like I couldn't I couldn't

628
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Speaker 16: have tried harder to make sure that didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: To work out what's happened.

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Speaker 16: Then yeah, yeah, I'm just like, look, it's that was

631
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Speaker 16: poficially installed. You wouldn't have had this happened. And this

632
00:29:38,813 --> 00:29:41,573
Speaker 16: is exactly how quantisation works. But yeah, I just thought,

633
00:29:41,733 --> 00:29:45,893
Speaker 16: you know, look, you have to respect that the tendency,

634
00:29:45,933 --> 00:29:49,253
Speaker 16: tribunal sacrifices I guess accuracy for speed to try to

635
00:29:49,253 --> 00:29:51,373
Speaker 16: get through everyone's cases. But I thought that was just

636
00:29:51,373 --> 00:29:53,093
Speaker 16: a really obvious judgment that went wrong.

637
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but she when you can when she's brought it's

638
00:29:58,173 --> 00:30:01,573
Speaker 2: brought up with her, then surely you know, just on

639
00:30:01,613 --> 00:30:04,253
Speaker 2: a moral moral footing, you would go, well, that was

640
00:30:04,293 --> 00:30:04,773
Speaker 2: me that did that.

641
00:30:05,573 --> 00:30:08,293
Speaker 16: You know, if I could go read that tendency try

642
00:30:08,333 --> 00:30:11,213
Speaker 16: immunal you know, rulling, it's not on the internet. And

643
00:30:11,453 --> 00:30:13,933
Speaker 16: she actually countersuit against hers she did this whole fall.

644
00:30:13,973 --> 00:30:18,093
Speaker 16: Oh my goodness, you know, crazy story, total lies about

645
00:30:18,133 --> 00:30:20,293
Speaker 16: what you know, all this, all this, all these damages.

646
00:30:20,333 --> 00:30:23,413
Speaker 16: She's suing us for for no reason whatsoever except the

647
00:30:23,413 --> 00:30:25,493
Speaker 16: fact that she knew that she was in trouble. Yeah,

648
00:30:25,573 --> 00:30:26,293
Speaker 16: so it was it was.

649
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Speaker 2: A really and how much how much damage was done

650
00:30:28,373 --> 00:30:29,813
Speaker 2: by the leaking?

651
00:30:30,613 --> 00:30:33,333
Speaker 16: The leaking she's just under just under two thousand, three

652
00:30:33,413 --> 00:30:37,253
Speaker 16: hundred dollars, So you know, it's not a massive it's

653
00:30:38,333 --> 00:30:40,373
Speaker 16: it's not a small enough figure out. But it's just

654
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Speaker 16: like I, I just typically think when you sign a

655
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Speaker 16: contract in you're a business, and you say you're going

656
00:30:44,413 --> 00:30:45,973
Speaker 16: to do what you're going to do, you do it,

657
00:30:46,173 --> 00:30:48,573
Speaker 16: and it's really simple, and so in good faith, I

658
00:30:48,573 --> 00:30:51,133
Speaker 16: think they've really done me wrong. And so I said,

659
00:30:51,173 --> 00:30:53,733
Speaker 16: to the end, you know, I don't like the outcome

660
00:30:53,773 --> 00:30:56,173
Speaker 16: of this, I'll probably go to the media. And then

661
00:30:56,213 --> 00:30:59,013
Speaker 16: I got this big scary legal email from them threatening me,

662
00:31:00,013 --> 00:31:02,853
Speaker 16: you know, saying basically that you know that that I'm

663
00:31:02,853 --> 00:31:04,853
Speaker 16: not allowed to publish things that are done in the

664
00:31:04,973 --> 00:31:06,693
Speaker 16: under the tribunal and it's not allowed.

665
00:31:06,693 --> 00:31:07,853
Speaker 8: And I challenged it.

666
00:31:08,413 --> 00:31:10,533
Speaker 16: I mean, you know, I think I'm calling DS on it.

667
00:31:10,693 --> 00:31:12,453
Speaker 16: I think you guys are just trying to shut me up.

668
00:31:13,253 --> 00:31:17,373
Speaker 16: So I contacted the news media and they're at the articles.

669
00:31:17,573 --> 00:31:20,533
Speaker 2: Now and you're on Mattin Tyler afternoons on newsbooks. He'd

670
00:31:20,573 --> 00:31:22,613
Speaker 2: be talking about I want to see this magical washing

671
00:31:22,613 --> 00:31:25,453
Speaker 2: machine that she had that was so so worth going.

672
00:31:25,253 --> 00:31:28,973
Speaker 3: Through its fascination with us on the entire role.

673
00:31:29,133 --> 00:31:32,093
Speaker 2: So Zach, going forward, though, you would you still use

674
00:31:32,093 --> 00:31:34,493
Speaker 2: property management? Maybe not this property management, but do you

675
00:31:34,533 --> 00:31:37,613
Speaker 2: still think property management as a thing? As you said before,

676
00:31:37,653 --> 00:31:39,733
Speaker 2: it keeps you, gives you a bit of distance. Do

677
00:31:39,733 --> 00:31:41,613
Speaker 2: you still think it's worth doing that going through a

678
00:31:41,613 --> 00:31:44,773
Speaker 2: property manager, but I would.

679
00:31:44,573 --> 00:31:46,853
Speaker 16: Never do it again with this certain company, nor would

680
00:31:46,893 --> 00:31:49,333
Speaker 16: I ever do it without knowing that there's a level

681
00:31:49,333 --> 00:31:53,333
Speaker 16: of annoying double due diligence that I have to do

682
00:31:53,413 --> 00:31:56,573
Speaker 16: to micromanage them just so these things get over the line,

683
00:31:56,613 --> 00:31:59,373
Speaker 16: because apparently contracts don't mean anything when it comes to tenancy,

684
00:31:59,413 --> 00:32:00,693
Speaker 16: tribunals or tribunal law.

685
00:32:00,853 --> 00:32:06,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you ever been kidnapped? I know, Okay, you

686
00:32:06,933 --> 00:32:09,813
Speaker 3: normally know. Yeah, Yeah, thanks for bringing up Zach.

687
00:32:10,213 --> 00:32:12,973
Speaker 2: Was fantastic talk to you. Yeah, and sorry that that

688
00:32:13,053 --> 00:32:13,733
Speaker 2: brought a pain in the art.

689
00:32:13,773 --> 00:32:15,573
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem right, but yeah, appreciate you giving us

690
00:32:15,573 --> 00:32:17,373
Speaker 3: a call. Zac, Thanks very much. Go well. Oh one

691
00:32:17,453 --> 00:32:20,413
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty. Are you in a similar situation

692
00:32:20,573 --> 00:32:22,053
Speaker 3: to Zach? Have you had a bit of a falling

693
00:32:22,093 --> 00:32:23,813
Speaker 3: out with your property manager because they didn't have a

694
00:32:23,813 --> 00:32:26,813
Speaker 3: proper duty of care? Sheer story nineteen nine two is

695
00:32:26,893 --> 00:32:28,573
Speaker 3: that text. We will be back very shortly. It is

696
00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:29,413
Speaker 3: fourteen to two.

697
00:32:30,573 --> 00:32:34,173
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons taking your calls on

698
00:32:34,333 --> 00:32:37,053
Speaker 1: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty with Stoda, Can

699
00:32:37,093 --> 00:32:39,533
Speaker 1: you crack the code please Scoda codes.

700
00:32:39,213 --> 00:32:42,333
Speaker 3: Every day news dogs, they'd be twelve to two plenty

701
00:32:42,373 --> 00:32:43,813
Speaker 3: of texts coming through A nine two nine two.

702
00:32:44,013 --> 00:32:47,613
Speaker 2: Our rental was managed in Tokoroa. Unbeknownst to us, the

703
00:32:47,653 --> 00:32:49,653
Speaker 2: tenant they chose was a niece to one of their

704
00:32:49,653 --> 00:32:52,453
Speaker 2: real estate agents. Long story short, forty thousand worth of

705
00:32:52,533 --> 00:32:54,773
Speaker 2: damage done by this tenant, not to mention the late

706
00:32:54,853 --> 00:32:57,133
Speaker 2: rent payments, et cetera, and not an apology or anything

707
00:32:57,133 --> 00:33:02,373
Speaker 2: from them. So kurrah, that's not right at all. Reproperty measures.

708
00:33:02,413 --> 00:33:04,093
Speaker 2: I was with an agency for many years with the

709
00:33:04,093 --> 00:33:06,933
Speaker 2: good property manager. She left and the replacement never rang

710
00:33:06,973 --> 00:33:10,093
Speaker 2: me to introduce herself, my address wrong and email comms.

711
00:33:10,253 --> 00:33:13,173
Speaker 2: I end up getting payment demands and unpaid water bills

712
00:33:13,173 --> 00:33:15,173
Speaker 2: as she never passed them on to the tenant. I

713
00:33:15,213 --> 00:33:18,333
Speaker 2: gave notice to the terminate to terminate services. Who boss

714
00:33:18,373 --> 00:33:20,213
Speaker 2: got involved to try and retain me, offering a month

715
00:33:20,253 --> 00:33:22,293
Speaker 2: of free management. Why would I want a month of

716
00:33:22,293 --> 00:33:25,173
Speaker 2: free mediocrity? Then she blamed the previous property manager who

717
00:33:25,213 --> 00:33:27,613
Speaker 2: had been gone for six months. I took back management,

718
00:33:27,773 --> 00:33:30,453
Speaker 2: got a decent tenant. So happy as now I have

719
00:33:30,653 --> 00:33:32,693
Speaker 2: never looked back. And someone else says, if you're in

720
00:33:32,733 --> 00:33:35,653
Speaker 2: the same town. Do it yourself. Yeah, but what do

721
00:33:35,653 --> 00:33:36,213
Speaker 2: you reckon an.

722
00:33:37,973 --> 00:33:38,133
Speaker 9: Hi?

723
00:33:38,693 --> 00:33:41,893
Speaker 18: Well, I agree, do it yourself. That's the honest solution.

724
00:33:43,373 --> 00:33:47,213
Speaker 18: I've had four years I've been with this agent, and

725
00:33:47,413 --> 00:33:51,933
Speaker 18: the latter two years, well, I had alarm bells ringing

726
00:33:52,373 --> 00:33:56,253
Speaker 18: that things weren't being checked and sure enough to burns

727
00:33:58,453 --> 00:34:03,093
Speaker 18: kitchen bench with burns. The agents covered it up with

728
00:34:02,493 --> 00:34:06,173
Speaker 18: a with a film, a classic film coating.

729
00:34:09,453 --> 00:34:09,652
Speaker 16: Oh.

730
00:34:10,733 --> 00:34:15,493
Speaker 18: Regards to washing machine again, once it's use their own

731
00:34:15,573 --> 00:34:19,293
Speaker 18: washing machine minus put underneast the house. I wasn't asked,

732
00:34:19,413 --> 00:34:25,373
Speaker 18: wasn't told, and the things and yeah, and then when

733
00:34:25,373 --> 00:34:28,493
Speaker 18: a question where my washing machine is? That's why they

734
00:34:28,533 --> 00:34:29,853
Speaker 18: said it was underneath the house.

735
00:34:30,373 --> 00:34:34,213
Speaker 3: What it always goes back to washing machines, isn't It

736
00:34:34,253 --> 00:34:39,013
Speaker 3: just seems to be people are taking Yeah, thank.

737
00:34:38,813 --> 00:34:39,212
Speaker 2: You so much.

738
00:34:40,293 --> 00:34:44,613
Speaker 18: Just in regards to other things like other appliances. The

739
00:34:44,693 --> 00:34:48,973
Speaker 18: extract of fun I said it wasn't working. Property management

740
00:34:49,093 --> 00:34:51,733
Speaker 18: obviously hadn't checked at all. It was just clogged with

741
00:34:51,853 --> 00:34:55,252
Speaker 18: facts and grief. That's the only thing that was wrong

742
00:34:55,293 --> 00:34:55,533
Speaker 18: with it.

743
00:34:56,773 --> 00:34:58,333
Speaker 3: And so sorry you had to deal with that. And

744
00:34:58,373 --> 00:34:59,973
Speaker 3: as you said, just better to do it yourself. And

745
00:35:00,093 --> 00:35:00,573
Speaker 3: ends case.

746
00:35:00,933 --> 00:35:03,053
Speaker 2: How young boomers is the sixth to fifteen years of

747
00:35:03,093 --> 00:35:06,253
Speaker 2: property maintenance. Eighty five percent of managers are scumbags, but

748
00:35:06,333 --> 00:35:08,893
Speaker 2: eighty three point sine of land boards had lords' sc

749
00:35:08,893 --> 00:35:11,253
Speaker 2: comebacks too. It's a depressing industry to be and so

750
00:35:11,333 --> 00:35:14,213
Speaker 2: I left. I was also kidnapped by a woman. She

751
00:35:14,333 --> 00:35:16,772
Speaker 2: still has me now, twenty two years later. Please send help.

752
00:35:16,933 --> 00:35:17,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll do what we care.

753
00:35:17,933 --> 00:35:18,773
Speaker 4: Mare all you do.

754
00:35:18,853 --> 00:35:21,413
Speaker 3: Matt, that's a tough life for you, mate, Yeah, all right,

755
00:35:21,533 --> 00:35:23,853
Speaker 3: keep those techs. Character on nine two, nine to two.

756
00:35:24,333 --> 00:35:25,853
Speaker 3: It is nine minutes to two.

757
00:35:26,973 --> 00:35:30,533
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls. On eight hundred

758
00:35:30,573 --> 00:35:34,533
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

759
00:35:34,093 --> 00:35:38,093
Speaker 3: News Talks MB, News TALKSB. It is six to two.

760
00:35:38,733 --> 00:35:41,013
Speaker 2: Louise says, hey, we have two rental properties. One is

761
00:35:41,053 --> 00:35:43,613
Speaker 2: managed by a property manager, one managed personally. We originally

762
00:35:43,613 --> 00:35:45,773
Speaker 2: paid a property manager as we weren't sure if we

763
00:35:45,853 --> 00:35:48,653
Speaker 2: were brave enough to rent out and manage a property.

764
00:35:48,773 --> 00:35:50,733
Speaker 2: But what I've discovered is you pay a lot of

765
00:35:50,773 --> 00:35:54,813
Speaker 2: money to micro manage the property manager. We almost do everything.

766
00:35:55,093 --> 00:35:57,373
Speaker 2: When the lease on our property expires, I will cancel

767
00:35:57,413 --> 00:36:00,013
Speaker 2: the property manager and do it ourselves. Have a good weekend.

768
00:36:00,133 --> 00:36:04,212
Speaker 2: Thank you, Louise, Hi, Matt and Tyler accidental landhold here

769
00:36:04,293 --> 00:36:07,533
Speaker 2: moved from Wellington fifteen years ago and used qunoviac ever since.

770
00:36:07,613 --> 00:36:10,413
Speaker 2: They've been The key is communication. If cash cloths tight,

771
00:36:10,493 --> 00:36:13,732
Speaker 2: they work through options and prioritize repairs. Sometimes they clip

772
00:36:13,813 --> 00:36:15,933
Speaker 2: the ticket, but often let me pay supplies direct to

773
00:36:15,973 --> 00:36:19,733
Speaker 2: save fees. They give market in sight I'd never see myself,

774
00:36:19,813 --> 00:36:22,973
Speaker 2: and their portal makes it easy. I could have gone cheaper,

775
00:36:23,013 --> 00:36:24,853
Speaker 2: but glad I didn't. You get what you pay for.

776
00:36:25,253 --> 00:36:28,093
Speaker 2: And Arrett's Bull's story not sounding like a typical humble Kimi.

777
00:36:28,333 --> 00:36:30,133
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why they tried to kidnap him.

778
00:36:30,333 --> 00:36:33,213
Speaker 3: Cher's Steve Hey c good on your Steve.

779
00:36:33,973 --> 00:36:35,973
Speaker 2: What he reckon? He rang Kenyon talk about radio.

780
00:36:36,213 --> 00:36:38,813
Speaker 3: Yeah he gave that us. I'm the big I am

781
00:36:38,893 --> 00:36:39,333
Speaker 3: onm in town.

782
00:36:39,453 --> 00:36:40,893
Speaker 2: Just want to let you know I'm the top twenty

783
00:36:40,933 --> 00:36:45,013
Speaker 2: searches on Google. You know there's a knock on the door.

784
00:36:45,253 --> 00:36:47,973
Speaker 2: Yeah no, but we're getting a lot of texts through

785
00:36:47,973 --> 00:36:49,653
Speaker 2: from people and kidnapping experience.

786
00:36:49,693 --> 00:36:50,692
Speaker 3: Turns out it's quite common.

787
00:36:50,973 --> 00:36:52,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it even happens in New Zealand. Yeah,

788
00:36:52,853 --> 00:36:54,653
Speaker 2: you don't have to leave the country to get kidnapped.

789
00:36:54,653 --> 00:36:57,053
Speaker 2: My wife was carjacked in the middle of rot at

790
00:36:57,133 --> 00:37:00,172
Speaker 2: three o'clock in the afternoon on a weekday. The guy

791
00:37:00,253 --> 00:37:01,212
Speaker 2: got four years in jail.

792
00:37:01,973 --> 00:37:04,732
Speaker 3: Well cheap is okay? Yeah, Well I'm glad he's in jail,

793
00:37:04,773 --> 00:37:05,613
Speaker 3: but that is terrifying.

794
00:37:05,693 --> 00:37:06,772
Speaker 2: I'm glad your wife's okay.

795
00:37:07,013 --> 00:37:09,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely all right, thank you very much for everyone

796
00:37:09,773 --> 00:37:12,773
Speaker 3: who text and called on that one. Really enjoyed that conversation.

797
00:37:12,973 --> 00:37:15,013
Speaker 3: But coming up next it's going to be a dooozy

798
00:37:15,053 --> 00:37:17,173
Speaker 3: in New Zealand has slipped to eleventh in the latest

799
00:37:17,173 --> 00:37:19,053
Speaker 3: World Happiness Report for the third year in a row,

800
00:37:19,453 --> 00:37:22,093
Speaker 3: while Finland remains at number one. An Experts say the

801
00:37:22,173 --> 00:37:24,493
Speaker 3: difference comes down a less to people being happier and

802
00:37:24,533 --> 00:37:27,333
Speaker 3: more to having fewer people who are deeply unhappy. The

803
00:37:27,413 --> 00:37:31,453
Speaker 3: Finish advice for improving well being is pretty simple, they say,

804
00:37:31,813 --> 00:37:35,053
Speaker 3: complain less, focus on your own life, and maintain a

805
00:37:35,133 --> 00:37:37,613
Speaker 3: sense of shared responsibility and trust in society.

806
00:37:37,813 --> 00:37:42,013
Speaker 2: Those Nordic countries are fiddling the statistics.

807
00:37:41,653 --> 00:37:43,213
Speaker 3: Definitely, Finns.

808
00:37:43,333 --> 00:37:46,373
Speaker 2: I'd ask you, Finns, let's say about one word a year.

809
00:37:46,493 --> 00:37:48,293
Speaker 3: They don't seem like happy. People love a sauna.

810
00:37:48,453 --> 00:37:51,013
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're happy and asauna. Yeah they're happy when

811
00:37:51,053 --> 00:37:52,893
Speaker 2: they're not talking and they're sitting in a sauna. Behind

812
00:37:52,933 --> 00:37:53,333
Speaker 2: they're drunk.

813
00:37:53,613 --> 00:37:55,453
Speaker 3: So we want to have a chat about New zealand'sppiness.

814
00:37:55,453 --> 00:37:57,333
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty Are we

815
00:37:57,413 --> 00:37:59,533
Speaker 3: all in a collective funk? How do we get out

816
00:37:59,573 --> 00:38:01,933
Speaker 3: of it? Nine two ninety two is the text number?

817
00:38:02,173 --> 00:38:04,853
Speaker 3: Is well new Sport and weather fast approaching great heavy

818
00:38:04,893 --> 00:38:07,213
Speaker 3: company on this Friday afternoon, Stay right here, will be

819
00:38:07,293 --> 00:38:07,652
Speaker 3: back soon.

820
00:38:08,853 --> 00:38:17,573
Speaker 2: I'm a complementer from a shady concue.

821
00:38:19,973 --> 00:38:24,613
Speaker 7: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

822
00:38:24,653 --> 00:38:25,133
Speaker 7: in between.

823
00:38:25,533 --> 00:38:29,573
Speaker 1: Kid's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoon Squid Skoda News

824
00:38:29,693 --> 00:38:30,453
Speaker 1: Talk said.

825
00:38:30,253 --> 00:38:34,133
Speaker 3: Be afternoon, Welcome back into the show. Six pass through

826
00:38:34,173 --> 00:38:36,813
Speaker 3: great have your company on this Friday afternoon. A reminder

827
00:38:36,893 --> 00:38:40,213
Speaker 3: after three point thirty New Zealander of the week, So

828
00:38:40,413 --> 00:38:42,732
Speaker 3: looking forward to that. But in the meantime, we want

829
00:38:42,733 --> 00:38:44,533
Speaker 3: to have a chat about happiness. New Zealanders slipped to

830
00:38:44,573 --> 00:38:47,493
Speaker 3: eleventh in the world's latest World Happiness Report for the

831
00:38:47,533 --> 00:38:51,253
Speaker 3: third year in a row. Finland, it's always the Finns

832
00:38:51,293 --> 00:38:53,973
Speaker 3: they remain at number one. Something about those Nordic countries

833
00:38:54,773 --> 00:38:57,373
Speaker 3: under two that they don't seem like a happy people sometimes.

834
00:38:57,573 --> 00:39:00,053
Speaker 3: But there was a significant decline when it came to

835
00:39:00,133 --> 00:39:03,453
Speaker 3: New Zealand and happiness among young people. This is fifteen

836
00:39:03,533 --> 00:39:06,573
Speaker 3: to twenty four. That was partly linked to heavy social

837
00:39:06,653 --> 00:39:10,053
Speaker 3: media use in a reduced real war connections and to

838
00:39:10,133 --> 00:39:12,773
Speaker 3: finish people. They have given advice to the rest of

839
00:39:12,813 --> 00:39:17,053
Speaker 3: the world for improving well being. They say everybody's got

840
00:39:17,093 --> 00:39:20,053
Speaker 3: to complain less, focus on your own life and maintain

841
00:39:20,133 --> 00:39:24,253
Speaker 3: a sense of shared responsibility and trust in society. So

842
00:39:24,453 --> 00:39:26,453
Speaker 3: is that the key? And how do we pull ourselves

843
00:39:26,533 --> 00:39:29,413
Speaker 3: out of this collective funk if there is one in

844
00:39:29,453 --> 00:39:29,973
Speaker 3: New Zealand?

845
00:39:31,013 --> 00:39:33,973
Speaker 2: Yes, so, I think it's it's all over the shop

846
00:39:34,013 --> 00:39:36,973
Speaker 2: at the moment. And as I was saying before, I

847
00:39:37,093 --> 00:39:40,653
Speaker 2: heard Kate hawks Bey on Hosking this morning and she

848
00:39:40,853 --> 00:39:42,573
Speaker 2: was saying this, and I think this sort of sums

849
00:39:42,653 --> 00:39:45,133
Speaker 2: up how a lot of people are feeling in New

850
00:39:45,173 --> 00:39:45,813
Speaker 2: Zealand at the moment.

851
00:39:46,013 --> 00:39:47,573
Speaker 6: I was speaking with a girlfriend, yes today and it's

852
00:39:47,653 --> 00:39:50,732
Speaker 6: just these are sort of do this, these are difficult times.

853
00:39:50,773 --> 00:39:51,653
Speaker 3: You know, we're trying to move on.

854
00:39:51,733 --> 00:39:53,333
Speaker 6: We're trying to get ahead. We're trying to do fun

855
00:39:53,373 --> 00:39:56,252
Speaker 6: stuff like book holidays and make decisions about real estate

856
00:39:56,253 --> 00:39:59,493
Speaker 6: and stuff like that, and it's like, ah okay, ran

857
00:39:59,813 --> 00:40:02,613
Speaker 6: and so now we just like everything's out of our

858
00:40:02,613 --> 00:40:05,053
Speaker 6: control all the time. It feels like just when you

859
00:40:05,093 --> 00:40:07,013
Speaker 6: think you might be able to get ahead, the world

860
00:40:07,053 --> 00:40:09,573
Speaker 6: turns itself upside down again and then everything.

861
00:40:09,333 --> 00:40:11,973
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying, Yeah, it sort of

862
00:40:12,013 --> 00:40:14,692
Speaker 2: comes down to a feeling of powerlessness that a lot

863
00:40:14,693 --> 00:40:16,453
Speaker 2: of people are feeling. And I think that goes back

864
00:40:16,493 --> 00:40:20,013
Speaker 2: about since twenty nineteen because we had to endure the

865
00:40:20,093 --> 00:40:23,172
Speaker 2: COVID response and then it's just been a big thing

866
00:40:23,453 --> 00:40:26,653
Speaker 2: after a big thing in New Zealand and New Zealanders.

867
00:40:27,533 --> 00:40:29,453
Speaker 2: So I was saying before, it's kind of like we're

868
00:40:29,493 --> 00:40:33,493
Speaker 2: a tiny little paper boat on dangerous oceans and we're

869
00:40:33,533 --> 00:40:37,293
Speaker 2: just being flopped around everywhere, and we try and try

870
00:40:37,373 --> 00:40:39,973
Speaker 2: and get some stuff sorted, and then that gets derailed,

871
00:40:40,173 --> 00:40:42,573
Speaker 2: and it's hard to feel confident and secure and make

872
00:40:42,693 --> 00:40:44,493
Speaker 2: plans when you feel like you're just on a little

873
00:40:44,533 --> 00:40:48,453
Speaker 2: paper boat and big international oceans. So we want to

874
00:40:48,493 --> 00:40:52,652
Speaker 2: talk about finding happiness and difficult times if we are

875
00:40:52,733 --> 00:40:56,333
Speaker 2: actually in difficult times. There's an argument that humanity is

876
00:40:56,333 --> 00:41:00,413
Speaker 2: always in difficult times, and generally speaking, in history, there

877
00:41:00,613 --> 00:41:03,773
Speaker 2: was an enemy tribe that was you know, come, some

878
00:41:03,853 --> 00:41:07,133
Speaker 2: are going to try and attack your village. So you know,

879
00:41:07,533 --> 00:41:10,893
Speaker 2: here in New Zealand, they might not be as difficult

880
00:41:10,893 --> 00:41:13,573
Speaker 2: at times as we think they are. You know what

881
00:41:13,613 --> 00:41:15,732
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Yes, it is it's wrong to be happy

882
00:41:15,813 --> 00:41:19,373
Speaker 2: and positive when things are so bad. We have to worry.

883
00:41:19,693 --> 00:41:21,413
Speaker 2: If you're not worried, you aren't informed.

884
00:41:22,533 --> 00:41:25,453
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if I follow that logic.

885
00:41:25,293 --> 00:41:28,653
Speaker 2: But potentially the problem is that people are so informed

886
00:41:28,693 --> 00:41:30,373
Speaker 2: that it's making them worried. That's what I think it

887
00:41:30,453 --> 00:41:33,573
Speaker 2: is because I think for the longest time, you know, say,

888
00:41:33,613 --> 00:41:35,533
Speaker 2: if you were living in the village that was about

889
00:41:35,573 --> 00:41:38,173
Speaker 2: to be attacked, you probably didn't really get, you know,

890
00:41:38,533 --> 00:41:41,493
Speaker 2: daily updates out of your pocket of what was going on. Yeah,

891
00:41:41,733 --> 00:41:45,973
Speaker 2: you just got gone on about your day. But now

892
00:41:46,253 --> 00:41:49,333
Speaker 2: we're so informed about every little thing in the world

893
00:41:49,413 --> 00:41:52,613
Speaker 2: that it feels like things are just coming at us,

894
00:41:52,693 --> 00:41:54,772
Speaker 2: coming at us, coming us, coming out with the water board.

895
00:41:54,813 --> 00:41:58,813
Speaker 3: It with the most intense, complex issues and it is

896
00:41:58,853 --> 00:42:00,613
Speaker 3: a constant thing. So what do you say, oh, one

897
00:42:00,693 --> 00:42:03,213
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty, how do you find happiness

898
00:42:03,293 --> 00:42:06,453
Speaker 3: in these somewhat chaotic times at the moment? Or are

899
00:42:06,533 --> 00:42:09,933
Speaker 3: they that chaotic? And are you managing to keep your

900
00:42:09,973 --> 00:42:11,533
Speaker 3: head above all the all the craziness.

901
00:42:11,853 --> 00:42:13,692
Speaker 2: See, this is the things that make me upset when

902
00:42:13,693 --> 00:42:15,413
Speaker 2: I get text like this COVID nineteen effect in New

903
00:42:15,453 --> 00:42:18,172
Speaker 2: Zealand in twenty twenty, Matt, not twenty nineteen. I said

904
00:42:18,253 --> 00:42:21,333
Speaker 2: after twenty twenty, which is two after twenty nineteen, which

905
00:42:21,333 --> 00:42:26,373
Speaker 2: is twenty twenty. These kind of pedantic, incorrect texts that

906
00:42:26,533 --> 00:42:29,212
Speaker 2: affect my happiness, Yeah, can actual effect my happy?

907
00:42:29,333 --> 00:42:31,053
Speaker 3: Keep them coming in on nine two ninety two by

908
00:42:31,173 --> 00:42:33,093
Speaker 3: all means. But there is something about that, you know

909
00:42:33,173 --> 00:42:36,173
Speaker 3: what what I've sort of and I knew this, but

910
00:42:36,333 --> 00:42:41,373
Speaker 3: what is becoming more apparent is that negativity is really contagious,

911
00:42:41,413 --> 00:42:43,253
Speaker 3: I think more so than positive people.

912
00:42:43,173 --> 00:42:45,813
Speaker 2: Swallowing it, people wallowing it. And I feel like we've

913
00:42:45,853 --> 00:42:51,133
Speaker 2: been wallowing in negativity since since probably twenty twenty two

914
00:42:51,213 --> 00:42:51,773
Speaker 2: in this country.

915
00:42:51,893 --> 00:42:53,493
Speaker 3: And even though I know that, and I said this

916
00:42:53,613 --> 00:42:55,733
Speaker 3: to you that I come to work and I'm very happy,

917
00:42:55,773 --> 00:42:57,692
Speaker 3: and it's it's you know, I'm looking forward to seeing

918
00:42:57,733 --> 00:42:58,973
Speaker 3: you and catching up with people here.

919
00:42:59,093 --> 00:42:59,773
Speaker 2: Oh thanks, Tyler.

920
00:43:00,013 --> 00:43:03,733
Speaker 3: Then you know, sometimes there's there's bits of information that

921
00:43:03,773 --> 00:43:06,493
Speaker 3: I'll get bombarded with, and slowly but surely it's just

922
00:43:06,733 --> 00:43:10,453
Speaker 3: like a tank that is just being bombarded consistently, and

923
00:43:10,533 --> 00:43:12,173
Speaker 3: then it just starts to, you know, make people a

924
00:43:12,213 --> 00:43:14,013
Speaker 3: little bit cynical. And I rise above it, of course

925
00:43:14,013 --> 00:43:16,613
Speaker 3: I do, because I think, actually things My life is

926
00:43:16,653 --> 00:43:18,693
Speaker 3: pretty good, and we live in New Zealand, which is

927
00:43:18,693 --> 00:43:20,613
Speaker 3: a beautiful place, and these crazy things are happening in

928
00:43:20,653 --> 00:43:22,732
Speaker 3: the world. But we will get through this and things

929
00:43:22,773 --> 00:43:24,493
Speaker 3: will get better. And if you look at the wider

930
00:43:24,613 --> 00:43:28,333
Speaker 3: picture of our human condition right here in New Zealand,

931
00:43:28,413 --> 00:43:31,773
Speaker 3: we are doing bloody well. Then I'm back. I'm back

932
00:43:31,773 --> 00:43:34,253
Speaker 3: to one hundred percent in terms of my overall satisfaction.

933
00:43:34,493 --> 00:43:36,253
Speaker 3: But it is a battle. It's a constant battle when

934
00:43:36,253 --> 00:43:37,493
Speaker 3: there's so much negativity out there.

935
00:43:37,973 --> 00:43:40,253
Speaker 2: This I'll change this text that we got before then

936
00:43:40,453 --> 00:43:43,172
Speaker 2: from my name to your name, originally read Matt your

937
00:43:43,213 --> 00:43:47,773
Speaker 2: positivity is stressful. It's gaslighting. At this point, we had

938
00:43:47,773 --> 00:43:49,333
Speaker 2: a lot, we had a lot to worry before we

939
00:43:49,333 --> 00:43:51,933
Speaker 2: even got to this war. It's just the thing after

940
00:43:52,053 --> 00:43:54,973
Speaker 2: things since COVID, which was terrible. We were locked down

941
00:43:55,053 --> 00:43:57,293
Speaker 2: so long. The kids went crazy and the ram raids started.

942
00:43:57,333 --> 00:43:59,533
Speaker 2: Remember when we were worrying about Rambays. That's right, God,

943
00:43:59,613 --> 00:44:01,253
Speaker 2: that was crazy. The ram raids signs like the kids

944
00:44:01,253 --> 00:44:04,692
Speaker 2: are gone insane, the kids. It was a weird, weird

945
00:44:04,773 --> 00:44:06,653
Speaker 2: couple of years. I've been finally let out. They're so

946
00:44:06,773 --> 00:44:08,693
Speaker 2: angry with the government. They don't care about anything anymore.

947
00:44:08,733 --> 00:44:11,573
Speaker 2: That's nearly Toyota equis all over the shop. Then the tariffs,

948
00:44:12,053 --> 00:44:14,573
Speaker 2: house prices, the problems just keep coming and coming. We're

949
00:44:14,573 --> 00:44:16,933
Speaker 2: also powerless. How can you find happiness in these times?

950
00:44:16,973 --> 00:44:17,253
Speaker 8: Tyler?

951
00:44:17,933 --> 00:44:20,853
Speaker 2: You can't. It's just worry on top of worry on

952
00:44:20,973 --> 00:44:24,533
Speaker 2: top of worry. So how are you finding happiness in

953
00:44:24,573 --> 00:44:28,732
Speaker 2: this time? If you if you are, and if you're

954
00:44:28,813 --> 00:44:30,973
Speaker 2: like a bunch of people texting, that's saying it's irresponsible

955
00:44:31,013 --> 00:44:32,693
Speaker 2: to even try and find happiness and we should just

956
00:44:32,773 --> 00:44:35,253
Speaker 2: be running around in circles worrying.

957
00:44:35,493 --> 00:44:38,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, come on through, gonna be an interesting chat,

958
00:44:38,533 --> 00:44:40,933
Speaker 3: certainly as Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

959
00:44:40,973 --> 00:44:43,413
Speaker 3: that number to call? Nineteen nine two is the text?

960
00:44:43,773 --> 00:44:44,893
Speaker 3: It is thirty past two.

961
00:44:45,493 --> 00:44:49,933
Speaker 1: Wow, your home of Afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams

962
00:44:50,093 --> 00:44:54,053
Speaker 1: Afternoons Call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk said, be.

963
00:44:56,933 --> 00:44:58,652
Speaker 3: It is a quarter past two when we're talking about

964
00:44:58,693 --> 00:45:01,653
Speaker 3: happiness in New Zealand. New Zealand has come in eleventh

965
00:45:01,733 --> 00:45:04,373
Speaker 3: on the latest World Happiness in dex for the third

966
00:45:04,493 --> 00:45:06,373
Speaker 3: year in a row. We used to be in the

967
00:45:06,453 --> 00:45:09,293
Speaker 3: top five consistently. So how we get ourselves out of

968
00:45:09,333 --> 00:45:11,973
Speaker 3: this collective funk? How do you find happiness in the

969
00:45:12,013 --> 00:45:14,773
Speaker 3: current state of the world where it seems there's been,

970
00:45:15,573 --> 00:45:19,333
Speaker 3: you know, an overall negativity bias that has infected a

971
00:45:19,453 --> 00:45:23,093
Speaker 3: lot of the country. Debbie, how are you hi?

972
00:45:23,253 --> 00:45:24,212
Speaker 8: How are you good?

973
00:45:24,533 --> 00:45:28,333
Speaker 10: But I just wanted to share my story. I'm sixty

974
00:45:28,453 --> 00:45:33,853
Speaker 10: five and April next year graduation, and I'm engaged to

975
00:45:33,973 --> 00:45:39,773
Speaker 10: the most amazing, wonderful, loving man and we're going We're

976
00:45:39,813 --> 00:45:42,213
Speaker 10: meant to be going on our honeymoon to the Mediterranean

977
00:45:42,493 --> 00:45:44,172
Speaker 10: and May at the end.

978
00:45:44,093 --> 00:45:44,652
Speaker 19: Of this year.

979
00:45:45,053 --> 00:45:47,133
Speaker 10: You know, we might not get to go because of

980
00:45:47,933 --> 00:45:51,973
Speaker 10: the travel arrangements are all over the place at the moment.

981
00:45:52,093 --> 00:45:55,173
Speaker 10: But if we go, we go. If we don't, we don't.

982
00:45:55,333 --> 00:45:58,613
Speaker 10: You know, it's about spending that time together, and I'm

983
00:45:58,653 --> 00:46:00,933
Speaker 10: not going to get all negative about it. It's awesome

984
00:46:00,973 --> 00:46:03,652
Speaker 10: to the date of the world at the moment. I'm

985
00:46:03,693 --> 00:46:06,692
Speaker 10: getting married in March next year, and I'm just going

986
00:46:06,773 --> 00:46:10,053
Speaker 10: to focus on that. And you know, you just got

987
00:46:10,173 --> 00:46:13,053
Speaker 10: to take a moment to be in the moment and

988
00:46:13,213 --> 00:46:15,853
Speaker 10: think about the great things that are happening to you.

989
00:46:16,493 --> 00:46:19,133
Speaker 10: You know, you might not be employed, but you've got

990
00:46:19,133 --> 00:46:23,933
Speaker 10: a beautiful, loving family. Just think about find everyone hears

991
00:46:24,013 --> 00:46:27,013
Speaker 10: something that they're happy about, all that they can find

992
00:46:27,133 --> 00:46:31,573
Speaker 10: joy and peace about, you know, like shut out all

993
00:46:31,653 --> 00:46:32,133
Speaker 10: the noise.

994
00:46:32,493 --> 00:46:36,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. Now, Debbie, how long ago did

995
00:46:36,613 --> 00:46:38,253
Speaker 2: you meet this lovely gentleman?

996
00:46:39,533 --> 00:46:40,613
Speaker 10: About four years ago?

997
00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:41,413
Speaker 18: Good on?

998
00:46:41,573 --> 00:46:41,613
Speaker 5: You?

999
00:46:43,053 --> 00:46:47,732
Speaker 2: So sixty years old and I'm just going to delve

1000
00:46:47,773 --> 00:46:49,773
Speaker 2: into your life because I'm interested. Sorry, Debbie, So you

1001
00:46:49,893 --> 00:46:53,813
Speaker 2: only answer as much as you feel like you want

1002
00:46:53,853 --> 00:46:56,013
Speaker 2: to answer. But had you've been single for a while

1003
00:46:56,053 --> 00:46:56,813
Speaker 2: before you meet this man?

1004
00:46:56,893 --> 00:47:00,133
Speaker 10: How long time I have been teen years on my own? Yeah,

1005
00:47:00,493 --> 00:47:04,973
Speaker 10: it didn't really gotten in the space to meet a

1006
00:47:05,093 --> 00:47:09,573
Speaker 10: man or yeah, fall in love. But I meet this

1007
00:47:09,853 --> 00:47:14,333
Speaker 10: man in my life has changed dress actually since I

1008
00:47:14,453 --> 00:47:14,773
Speaker 10: meet her.

1009
00:47:14,853 --> 00:47:14,933
Speaker 5: Man.

1010
00:47:15,013 --> 00:47:19,853
Speaker 10: Now, I'm just so and that with him enjoying life.

1011
00:47:20,333 --> 00:47:24,613
Speaker 10: And I couldn't be more happier, you know, and I'm

1012
00:47:24,653 --> 00:47:27,853
Speaker 10: not wealthy, we even got a heap of money. It's

1013
00:47:29,133 --> 00:47:33,253
Speaker 10: but I every day I get to spend my days

1014
00:47:33,333 --> 00:47:35,733
Speaker 10: with him and enjoy the time that we live together.

1015
00:47:35,933 --> 00:47:38,293
Speaker 10: And see, that's an important You just got to go

1016
00:47:38,413 --> 00:47:40,133
Speaker 10: out there and find happiness.

1017
00:47:40,613 --> 00:47:43,413
Speaker 2: That's an important thing, isn't it? Because because you have

1018
00:47:43,693 --> 00:47:45,893
Speaker 2: these things so that you say, maybe the honeymoon won't happen,

1019
00:47:45,973 --> 00:47:49,093
Speaker 2: but every day you have this person to be grateful for,

1020
00:47:49,613 --> 00:47:53,173
Speaker 2: and a life can be really happy with just playing

1021
00:47:53,213 --> 00:47:55,613
Speaker 2: some cards with someone that's sitting down and playing cards.

1022
00:47:56,933 --> 00:48:00,013
Speaker 10: So a lot of people date night once a week

1023
00:48:00,253 --> 00:48:03,773
Speaker 10: and this week he said, and accident at work, so

1024
00:48:03,893 --> 00:48:05,732
Speaker 10: he didn't want to go out and do date night.

1025
00:48:05,773 --> 00:48:08,933
Speaker 10: And I said, you know, honey, every night state night

1026
00:48:09,053 --> 00:48:09,253
Speaker 10: with you?

1027
00:48:13,773 --> 00:48:15,933
Speaker 2: Where did you? How did how did you meet? If

1028
00:48:15,973 --> 00:48:17,093
Speaker 2: you don't mind me asking, Debbie?

1029
00:48:20,493 --> 00:48:23,293
Speaker 10: Did story on? And did you?

1030
00:48:23,533 --> 00:48:26,693
Speaker 2: Had you been you know, on Tinder? Long before you

1031
00:48:26,773 --> 00:48:28,133
Speaker 2: met this this gentleman?

1032
00:48:28,853 --> 00:48:29,373
Speaker 18: Not at all?

1033
00:48:30,453 --> 00:48:30,692
Speaker 4: Wow?

1034
00:48:31,133 --> 00:48:33,493
Speaker 3: And how many dates before you realize this is the guy?

1035
00:48:36,933 --> 00:48:40,813
Speaker 14: Probably the first night, Oh that is beautiful?

1036
00:48:41,453 --> 00:48:42,013
Speaker 3: The first night?

1037
00:48:42,173 --> 00:48:43,652
Speaker 2: Did you guys go home? Together on the first night,

1038
00:48:43,693 --> 00:48:44,293
Speaker 2: if you don't mind me.

1039
00:48:44,293 --> 00:48:46,373
Speaker 10: Asking, yeah we do.

1040
00:48:46,693 --> 00:48:48,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, well done, Debbie.

1041
00:48:50,613 --> 00:48:54,133
Speaker 10: But the first night we meet pretty magical.

1042
00:48:55,013 --> 00:48:55,653
Speaker 3: How beautiful.

1043
00:48:55,813 --> 00:48:58,453
Speaker 2: So you've made a lot of people heavy. Just listen

1044
00:48:58,533 --> 00:49:02,653
Speaker 2: to the story. So congratulations on your happiness and finding

1045
00:49:02,693 --> 00:49:05,813
Speaker 2: this gentleman, and congratulations to him for finding you and

1046
00:49:06,133 --> 00:49:09,413
Speaker 2: all the best for for the we coming up and

1047
00:49:09,493 --> 00:49:11,693
Speaker 2: all the best fit for your future. What a wonderful

1048
00:49:11,733 --> 00:49:13,373
Speaker 2: story to start off our chat on happiness.

1049
00:49:13,453 --> 00:49:15,853
Speaker 10: Dibby, Yeah it is I am hippy.

1050
00:49:16,053 --> 00:49:18,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, got on you. What a great New Zealander.

1051
00:49:18,493 --> 00:49:20,333
Speaker 2: Everyone needs to be like DeBie that just goes to

1052
00:49:20,413 --> 00:49:21,933
Speaker 2: show go home on the first date.

1053
00:49:22,013 --> 00:49:25,093
Speaker 3: Yep, it works out, always works out. TV. Thank you

1054
00:49:25,253 --> 00:49:26,973
Speaker 3: very much for your call, taking your calls on eight

1055
00:49:27,093 --> 00:49:29,573
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty. A couple of thanks coming

1056
00:49:29,613 --> 00:49:32,453
Speaker 3: through on nine two, nine to two. We'll get to

1057
00:49:32,533 --> 00:49:35,053
Speaker 3: some of those very soon. It is twenty past too.

1058
00:49:35,093 --> 00:49:36,853
Speaker 3: You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Have you having a

1059
00:49:36,893 --> 00:49:37,533
Speaker 3: great afternoon?

1060
00:49:41,453 --> 00:49:45,133
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh, eight hundred eighty

1061
00:49:45,213 --> 00:49:46,933
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talk said.

1062
00:49:46,773 --> 00:49:49,133
Speaker 3: Be twenty three pass two.

1063
00:49:49,293 --> 00:49:51,373
Speaker 2: This person says, and your rundown of things that we've

1064
00:49:51,413 --> 00:49:54,373
Speaker 2: been worrying about. You forgot Ukraine, um upet Yes, sorry, yeah,

1065
00:49:54,413 --> 00:49:55,453
Speaker 2: I don't think that was another.

1066
00:49:55,293 --> 00:49:56,893
Speaker 3: One, that's right, Yeah, the old Ukraine.

1067
00:49:57,253 --> 00:50:00,493
Speaker 2: The stixer says, hey, guys, love your energy. My line

1068
00:50:00,573 --> 00:50:03,133
Speaker 2: last year, as a dad and in his forties with

1069
00:50:03,213 --> 00:50:06,253
Speaker 2: four kids, was lower the bar for joy. There's some

1070
00:50:06,373 --> 00:50:09,493
Speaker 2: real ownership there to find joy in the smallest of moments.

1071
00:50:09,653 --> 00:50:09,853
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1072
00:50:09,973 --> 00:50:12,813
Speaker 2: See that's true. And Tyler, this morning, when we were

1073
00:50:12,813 --> 00:50:14,733
Speaker 2: talking about this pre show, you played me some audio

1074
00:50:14,813 --> 00:50:17,493
Speaker 2: from a comedian that I thought was such a good line.

1075
00:50:17,573 --> 00:50:21,853
Speaker 3: Yeah. So this clippers from British comedian Romesh Runger Nathan

1076
00:50:22,053 --> 00:50:23,293
Speaker 3: and here is what he said.

1077
00:50:23,613 --> 00:50:26,013
Speaker 20: Wake up in the morning, you have a decent breakfast,

1078
00:50:26,933 --> 00:50:30,453
Speaker 20: go to work, have a nice lunch, come home, hang

1079
00:50:30,533 --> 00:50:33,093
Speaker 20: out with your family, watch a bit of TV, go

1080
00:50:33,253 --> 00:50:33,613
Speaker 20: to bed.

1081
00:50:34,133 --> 00:50:37,573
Speaker 3: You have smashed that day. Okay, that day is smash

1082
00:50:38,053 --> 00:50:38,493
Speaker 3: all right.

1083
00:50:38,853 --> 00:50:42,613
Speaker 2: So true, there's so much more expected of you, but

1084
00:50:42,733 --> 00:50:43,773
Speaker 2: that is a great day.

1085
00:50:44,013 --> 00:50:44,413
Speaker 3: Tick here.

1086
00:50:44,653 --> 00:50:47,413
Speaker 2: All you've got to do is get out, have some breakfast,

1087
00:50:48,013 --> 00:50:50,133
Speaker 2: spend some time with your family in the morning, go

1088
00:50:50,293 --> 00:50:53,093
Speaker 2: to work, put on a decent effort, come home, spend

1089
00:50:53,133 --> 00:50:55,533
Speaker 2: some more time with your family, watch some Talian, go

1090
00:50:55,613 --> 00:50:58,893
Speaker 2: to bed, and amazing day. You should pat yourself on

1091
00:50:59,613 --> 00:51:01,573
Speaker 2: the back and go, I have lived a day that

1092
00:51:02,413 --> 00:51:05,293
Speaker 2: ninety nine point nine percent of all humans that have

1093
00:51:05,413 --> 00:51:07,453
Speaker 2: ever lived would never be able to live a day

1094
00:51:07,493 --> 00:51:07,973
Speaker 2: that good.

1095
00:51:08,413 --> 00:51:10,772
Speaker 3: Nailing life at that point? How many of us would

1096
00:51:10,773 --> 00:51:12,253
Speaker 3: look at a day like that? And I've been guilty

1097
00:51:12,253 --> 00:51:15,373
Speaker 3: of and think, man, I really I failed on that day.

1098
00:51:15,373 --> 00:51:18,253
Speaker 3: I didn't do enough. But when I heard that, I thought, actually,

1099
00:51:18,413 --> 00:51:19,212
Speaker 3: I'm kicking Bart.

1100
00:51:19,693 --> 00:51:22,493
Speaker 2: What's the meaning of life? The meaning of life is life.

1101
00:51:22,773 --> 00:51:24,533
Speaker 2: The meaning of life is living life. That's what the

1102
00:51:24,573 --> 00:51:27,093
Speaker 2: meaning is. You are living life. You are on the planet,

1103
00:51:27,413 --> 00:51:30,493
Speaker 2: you're alive. You have people that you love and you're

1104
00:51:30,533 --> 00:51:31,453
Speaker 2: living a life with them.

1105
00:51:31,613 --> 00:51:31,813
Speaker 8: Yep.

1106
00:51:32,133 --> 00:51:35,733
Speaker 3: And and your meaning is just that the meaning of

1107
00:51:35,813 --> 00:51:37,772
Speaker 3: life is life. Yeah, it doesn't need to be that deep.

1108
00:51:37,813 --> 00:51:39,493
Speaker 3: But what do you say, Kevin, how are you.

1109
00:51:41,813 --> 00:51:43,333
Speaker 12: Good after? How are you fellows?

1110
00:51:43,653 --> 00:51:45,413
Speaker 3: Very good? Mate? What are you reckon?

1111
00:51:47,533 --> 00:51:53,013
Speaker 12: Happiness is basically, be thankful, you are live, you're healthy,

1112
00:51:54,653 --> 00:51:57,533
Speaker 12: don't turn down the turn down the volume on the world,

1113
00:51:57,933 --> 00:52:01,573
Speaker 12: on the world's earls and all whatnot, And turned down

1114
00:52:01,653 --> 00:52:04,773
Speaker 12: and turned on the volume on something in social media.

1115
00:52:07,773 --> 00:52:10,133
Speaker 12: Of course, how I'm starting to sit now.

1116
00:52:10,213 --> 00:52:12,533
Speaker 13: It seems I've become an unco up three years ago.

1117
00:52:14,253 --> 00:52:17,693
Speaker 12: It made me feel more like that. Turned on the

1118
00:52:17,773 --> 00:52:21,973
Speaker 12: monume on the on all the negative news around. Stop

1119
00:52:22,013 --> 00:52:25,413
Speaker 12: watching the news, turn on the monum on your social

1120
00:52:25,453 --> 00:52:30,293
Speaker 12: media be people. Yeah, and of course take the negative

1121
00:52:30,893 --> 00:52:33,533
Speaker 12: and convert it to puzzit like I don't know, I

1122
00:52:34,653 --> 00:52:37,813
Speaker 12: on the beach somewhere, and of course.

1123
00:52:37,653 --> 00:52:40,093
Speaker 3: I wonder what you're saying, Kevin, and just we because

1124
00:52:40,133 --> 00:52:41,893
Speaker 3: we want to carry on this conversation. But it's just

1125
00:52:41,933 --> 00:52:43,653
Speaker 3: a bit tinny. If you can come off I know

1126
00:52:43,693 --> 00:52:45,773
Speaker 3: you're on a speakerphone, you might be driving, but if

1127
00:52:45,773 --> 00:52:47,652
Speaker 3: you're able to come off that but as you were saying,

1128
00:52:47,693 --> 00:52:50,533
Speaker 3: you know, eliminate the negatives, switch off some of the

1129
00:52:50,573 --> 00:52:52,732
Speaker 3: things that you can't control about what's happening in the world.

1130
00:52:53,053 --> 00:52:54,653
Speaker 3: Go for a walk on the beach. Still a puzzle.

1131
00:52:55,333 --> 00:52:57,292
Speaker 3: I mean that makes a lot of sense, right, hopefully, Kevin.

1132
00:52:57,293 --> 00:52:59,652
Speaker 3: We got your back, mate, Yeah, I.

1133
00:52:59,693 --> 00:53:00,093
Speaker 14: Can hear you.

1134
00:53:00,213 --> 00:53:02,333
Speaker 12: I've just stopped there and of course he and for

1135
00:53:02,453 --> 00:53:04,653
Speaker 12: me it's my live sport and my one thing that

1136
00:53:04,773 --> 00:53:07,573
Speaker 12: makes me happies is my rupthy los and my ASL life.

1137
00:53:08,533 --> 00:53:11,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rugby League and AFL good Man yare live sport.

1138
00:53:11,973 --> 00:53:15,093
Speaker 3: That is the ultimate escapism for a lot of people there.

1139
00:53:15,213 --> 00:53:16,853
Speaker 2: And I think part of the problem with making people

1140
00:53:16,933 --> 00:53:20,093
Speaker 2: miserable is that they've turned politics into sport, so they

1141
00:53:20,613 --> 00:53:23,732
Speaker 2: spend a lot of their time and energy that their

1142
00:53:23,813 --> 00:53:26,893
Speaker 2: team wins, which politics never should be have been that.

1143
00:53:27,053 --> 00:53:28,933
Speaker 2: I think politics should be like about five percent of

1144
00:53:28,973 --> 00:53:31,293
Speaker 2: your life. You should be spending a lot of that

1145
00:53:31,493 --> 00:53:34,212
Speaker 2: energy on the ups and downs of a sports team.

1146
00:53:34,293 --> 00:53:34,413
Speaker 3: Ye.

1147
00:53:35,533 --> 00:53:39,013
Speaker 2: That brings joy in life because you know it's a

1148
00:53:39,053 --> 00:53:40,573
Speaker 2: wholesome thing to it, and also in the back of

1149
00:53:40,573 --> 00:53:44,053
Speaker 2: your mind, you know it's not really the end all

1150
00:53:44,173 --> 00:53:47,292
Speaker 2: of the world. Yeah, thank you for that. Cool Kevin,

1151
00:53:47,333 --> 00:53:48,093
Speaker 2: really appreciating you.

1152
00:53:48,213 --> 00:53:50,212
Speaker 3: Go well, yeah, thank you very much. Oh one hundred

1153
00:53:50,213 --> 00:53:52,013
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. How

1154
00:53:52,053 --> 00:53:54,893
Speaker 3: do you find happiness in the world at the moment?

1155
00:53:55,253 --> 00:53:58,213
Speaker 2: I read that negativity and addiction go together as a texture.

1156
00:53:58,213 --> 00:54:00,733
Speaker 2: In this case, our addiction to oil. Happiness may depend

1157
00:54:00,853 --> 00:54:04,493
Speaker 2: on an internal focus of power or locus of power.

1158
00:54:04,573 --> 00:54:07,133
Speaker 2: Cheers Lou. Yeah, it is because people think that you

1159
00:54:07,253 --> 00:54:10,453
Speaker 2: only get addicted to pleasant things, right, But that's not true.

1160
00:54:10,533 --> 00:54:15,093
Speaker 2: We also get addricted to drama and anxiety become an addiction,

1161
00:54:15,733 --> 00:54:18,493
Speaker 2: and it can draw you back over and over again

1162
00:54:18,933 --> 00:54:21,333
Speaker 2: to the things that you worry about. And so you

1163
00:54:21,413 --> 00:54:24,733
Speaker 2: have people that are going down YouTube YouTube rabbit holes

1164
00:54:25,213 --> 00:54:27,613
Speaker 2: and they go, oh, no, no, I'm getting informed, I'm

1165
00:54:27,613 --> 00:54:30,213
Speaker 2: getting informed. No, no, you're just feeding your addiction for

1166
00:54:30,293 --> 00:54:30,812
Speaker 2: bad news.

1167
00:54:30,973 --> 00:54:33,933
Speaker 3: Is that a psychological condition though that? And creet me

1168
00:54:33,933 --> 00:54:36,173
Speaker 3: if I'm wrong, because you've written a book about this stuff.

1169
00:54:36,253 --> 00:54:39,213
Speaker 3: But is it something in our brain that is wired

1170
00:54:39,413 --> 00:54:43,573
Speaker 3: to look for negative things? Sometimes because we needed it.

1171
00:54:44,253 --> 00:54:46,373
Speaker 3: That was a survival mechanism back when we were in

1172
00:54:46,453 --> 00:54:49,613
Speaker 3: caves and actually after that as well. But now that

1173
00:54:49,813 --> 00:54:51,733
Speaker 3: mechanism that kicks in the brain that you've always got

1174
00:54:51,773 --> 00:54:53,853
Speaker 3: to look for danger is not so helpful for us.

1175
00:54:53,973 --> 00:54:57,653
Speaker 2: Yes, especially when you've gotten people with an agenda to

1176
00:54:58,453 --> 00:55:02,813
Speaker 2: share negative things because that is their attention economy model.

1177
00:55:03,013 --> 00:55:05,573
Speaker 2: So they're making money because they know they can hack

1178
00:55:05,693 --> 00:55:09,493
Speaker 2: your your love of negative things. Right, So it used

1179
00:55:09,533 --> 00:55:12,093
Speaker 2: to be that you go into a valley and you go, Okay,

1180
00:55:12,253 --> 00:55:14,292
Speaker 2: let's look around for negative things. No, it doesn't seem

1181
00:55:14,293 --> 00:55:16,173
Speaker 2: to be any tigers here. That's pretty good, that's a

1182
00:55:16,173 --> 00:55:19,373
Speaker 2: good source of food there, Maybe that river will dry up.

1183
00:55:19,533 --> 00:55:21,013
Speaker 2: You know, you had a limited amount of things to

1184
00:55:21,013 --> 00:55:23,293
Speaker 2: worry about. Yes, you couldn't just pick up your phone

1185
00:55:23,773 --> 00:55:28,373
Speaker 2: and have companies worth billions, hundreds of billions of dollars

1186
00:55:29,093 --> 00:55:32,413
Speaker 2: unleashing all the power of their algorithms to make you

1187
00:55:32,613 --> 00:55:36,093
Speaker 2: freaked out with every little, tiny piece of bad news

1188
00:55:36,173 --> 00:55:38,293
Speaker 2: they can find anywhere in the world to get a

1189
00:55:38,373 --> 00:55:38,813
Speaker 2: rise out of you.

1190
00:55:38,933 --> 00:55:42,413
Speaker 3: It's terrifying, absolutely terrifying. Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.

1191
00:55:42,653 --> 00:55:44,533
Speaker 3: How are you finding happiness at the moment? Are you

1192
00:55:44,693 --> 00:55:48,933
Speaker 3: managing to compartmentalize some of the stuff that's going on

1193
00:55:49,133 --> 00:55:50,573
Speaker 3: in the world? And what do you reckon about us

1194
00:55:50,653 --> 00:55:53,053
Speaker 3: dropping down to eleventh place in the world in terms

1195
00:55:53,133 --> 00:55:56,652
Speaker 3: of happiness? It is twenty nine pars through headlines coming up.

1196
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Speaker 15: Parliament this week which removes the commercial minimum legal size

1201
00:56:15,773 --> 00:56:19,653
Speaker 15: limit for iconic fish species such as snapper and travalley.

1202
00:56:20,373 --> 00:56:23,733
Speaker 15: The popularity of public transport is on the rise, already

1203
00:56:23,813 --> 00:56:28,533
Speaker 15: increasing before fuel prices started soaring. Business Desk reports forty

1204
00:56:28,573 --> 00:56:30,893
Speaker 15: three thousand more trips were made in Auckland in the

1205
00:56:30,933 --> 00:56:34,133
Speaker 15: first week of March compared to the same time last year.

1206
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1207
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1208
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1209
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1210
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1211
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1213
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1214
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1215
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1216
00:57:14,133 --> 00:57:15,613
Speaker 15: Back to Matteth and Tyler Adams.

1217
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we're talking about

1218
00:57:17,613 --> 00:57:19,613
Speaker 3: happiness in New Zealand. We've dropped down the rankings of

1219
00:57:19,613 --> 00:57:23,453
Speaker 3: the World Happiness Index to eleven. Finland is right at

1220
00:57:23,493 --> 00:57:25,573
Speaker 3: the top at number one. But the question we've asked

1221
00:57:25,573 --> 00:57:28,293
Speaker 3: you is how do you find happiness in the world

1222
00:57:28,333 --> 00:57:28,773
Speaker 3: at the moment?

1223
00:57:28,933 --> 00:57:29,093
Speaker 15: Now?

1224
00:57:29,333 --> 00:57:33,733
Speaker 2: I follow a number of substacks, A big fan of substacks, yep,

1225
00:57:33,933 --> 00:57:37,653
Speaker 2: and I follow this substack called stock wisdom. And there's

1226
00:57:37,693 --> 00:57:41,013
Speaker 2: a thing to do with happiness that is repeated a lot.

1227
00:57:41,493 --> 00:57:44,053
Speaker 2: But I thought it was really, really well outlined in

1228
00:57:44,213 --> 00:57:46,053
Speaker 2: this particular post today, so I thought it read it

1229
00:57:46,053 --> 00:57:49,733
Speaker 2: to you please. O Epictetus was born into slavery. He

1230
00:57:49,813 --> 00:57:52,813
Speaker 2: spent years owned by another human being, with no control

1231
00:57:52,893 --> 00:57:56,213
Speaker 2: over his circumstances, no power to change the situation, no

1232
00:57:56,373 --> 00:57:58,933
Speaker 2: say over how his days unfolded. And yet he became

1233
00:57:59,013 --> 00:58:02,973
Speaker 2: one of history's most influential philosophers because that total lack

1234
00:58:03,053 --> 00:58:05,773
Speaker 2: of control forced him to understand something most people never do.

1235
00:58:06,333 --> 00:58:09,133
Speaker 2: Most of what we spend our time thinking about isn't

1236
00:58:09,213 --> 00:58:12,613
Speaker 2: actually up to us. His core idea was very simple.

1237
00:58:12,773 --> 00:58:15,773
Speaker 2: Some things are up to us, most things are not.

1238
00:58:16,413 --> 00:58:19,453
Speaker 2: Most things are not into it. Most things are not.

1239
00:58:19,653 --> 00:58:22,053
Speaker 2: Most things are not. And the reason we suffer is

1240
00:58:22,093 --> 00:58:24,333
Speaker 2: that we treat things we can't control as if we can.

1241
00:58:24,773 --> 00:58:27,933
Speaker 2: We burn mental energy trying to manage outcomes we have

1242
00:58:28,093 --> 00:58:31,253
Speaker 2: no authority over. So he reduced it to a practical test,

1243
00:58:31,413 --> 00:58:33,933
Speaker 2: a question you can apply to anything that's bothering. You

1244
00:58:34,493 --> 00:58:38,653
Speaker 2: can I do anything about this right now, not eventually,

1245
00:58:39,173 --> 00:58:42,213
Speaker 2: not after more thinking, right now. If the answer is yes,

1246
00:58:42,373 --> 00:58:45,453
Speaker 2: than act. If you're not going to act, stop thinking

1247
00:58:45,453 --> 00:58:48,733
Speaker 2: about it until you are, because thinking without action isn't progress.

1248
00:58:48,853 --> 00:58:52,013
Speaker 2: It's anxiety dressed up as productivity. And if the answer

1249
00:58:52,173 --> 00:58:55,573
Speaker 2: is no, if there's generally nothing, genuinely nothing you can do,

1250
00:58:56,093 --> 00:58:59,053
Speaker 2: then continuing to think about it serves no purpose at all.

1251
00:58:59,373 --> 00:59:02,493
Speaker 2: You're investing energy in a situation where you have no power.

1252
00:59:03,053 --> 00:59:05,493
Speaker 2: That's like a local council trying to set reserve bank

1253
00:59:05,573 --> 00:59:07,893
Speaker 2: interest rates. They can't talk, or they can talk all

1254
00:59:07,933 --> 00:59:10,853
Speaker 2: they want, but it's not their decision. That was an example.

1255
00:59:10,893 --> 00:59:13,213
Speaker 2: I put in the example to make it up on

1256
00:59:13,213 --> 00:59:15,013
Speaker 2: the spot and mess it up anyway if it tisus.

1257
00:59:15,093 --> 00:59:18,133
Speaker 2: Watched people exhaust themselves this way, worrying about decisions they

1258
00:59:18,173 --> 00:59:21,373
Speaker 2: couldn't influence, outcomes they couldn't control, futures they couldn't predict,

1259
00:59:21,733 --> 00:59:25,413
Speaker 2: and then wondering why they felt powerless. They were powerless,

1260
00:59:25,693 --> 00:59:28,133
Speaker 2: and their thinking wasn't helping. It was just making them

1261
00:59:28,133 --> 00:59:31,013
Speaker 2: suffer about it. But here's the trap. Worry feels like

1262
00:59:31,133 --> 00:59:33,893
Speaker 2: you're doing something. It creates the illusion that you're engaged,

1263
00:59:33,933 --> 00:59:36,933
Speaker 2: that you're working on the problem. I mean really, you're

1264
00:59:36,973 --> 00:59:39,973
Speaker 2: just replaying the same thoughts with different emotions, and over

1265
00:59:40,053 --> 00:59:41,973
Speaker 2: time you stop being able to tell the difference between

1266
00:59:42,093 --> 00:59:44,373
Speaker 2: solving something and just worrying about it.

1267
00:59:45,253 --> 00:59:46,613
Speaker 3: There you go, that is so good.

1268
00:59:46,733 --> 00:59:48,533
Speaker 2: So can you do anything about this right now?

1269
00:59:48,693 --> 00:59:48,853
Speaker 7: Yep?

1270
00:59:49,013 --> 00:59:51,013
Speaker 2: If no, stop worrying about it.

1271
00:59:51,053 --> 00:59:53,253
Speaker 3: I'm just going to run that through a big situation.

1272
00:59:53,293 --> 00:59:55,293
Speaker 3: They way, can I do anything about the price of

1273
00:59:55,373 --> 00:59:56,413
Speaker 3: fuel in New Zealand?

1274
00:59:56,533 --> 00:59:56,573
Speaker 15: No?

1275
00:59:56,693 --> 00:59:59,213
Speaker 3: I cannot. I cannot do anything about it, not now,

1276
00:59:59,453 --> 01:00:02,973
Speaker 3: not ever, And I'm just going to continue doing the

1277
01:00:03,013 --> 01:00:03,973
Speaker 3: best I can in my life.

1278
01:00:04,093 --> 01:00:06,693
Speaker 2: But what you can do something about is putting Peter

1279
01:00:06,813 --> 01:00:08,173
Speaker 2: on the line. Welcome to show Peter.

1280
01:00:09,853 --> 01:00:12,573
Speaker 17: I almost died then, But I can't do anything about that,

1281
01:00:15,333 --> 01:00:18,693
Speaker 17: Tony agree, especially on your last one or from your substanc.

1282
01:00:19,933 --> 01:00:24,053
Speaker 17: Jordan Peterson often talks about that is why you're worrying

1283
01:00:24,093 --> 01:00:27,693
Speaker 17: about something you can't change, And if you can change,

1284
01:00:27,733 --> 01:00:30,173
Speaker 17: are you ready to make that change? And a lot

1285
01:00:30,253 --> 01:00:33,253
Speaker 17: of people aren't ready to make that changes. Weren't us

1286
01:00:33,293 --> 01:00:36,133
Speaker 17: sit there and let it drop? In their lap when say, look,

1287
01:00:36,133 --> 01:00:40,053
Speaker 17: I've done something, so I think, you know, she said,

1288
01:00:40,093 --> 01:00:44,293
Speaker 17: the important thing is what you can't control and can't control.

1289
01:00:44,413 --> 01:00:47,133
Speaker 17: And at the moment I'd rather be in New Zealand

1290
01:00:47,213 --> 01:00:48,453
Speaker 17: right now than anywhere else.

1291
01:00:48,613 --> 01:00:49,573
Speaker 8: I can go anywhere.

1292
01:00:49,653 --> 01:00:52,333
Speaker 17: We're not under lockdown. I've got my family, who's got

1293
01:00:52,373 --> 01:00:56,893
Speaker 17: my friends. I can go scuba diving, running, cycling. I

1294
01:00:56,973 --> 01:01:00,333
Speaker 17: can't do anything about the fuel, so why worry about it. Yes,

1295
01:01:00,453 --> 01:01:02,333
Speaker 17: I might have to go without a few things. I

1296
01:01:02,413 --> 01:01:05,133
Speaker 17: can't have poortter House three times a week now, I.

1297
01:01:05,133 --> 01:01:06,053
Speaker 12: Can only have it once.

1298
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Speaker 8: But you know, you learn to give up.

1299
01:01:08,533 --> 01:01:11,733
Speaker 17: Small things and just accept what it is.

1300
01:01:12,013 --> 01:01:12,173
Speaker 15: You know.

1301
01:01:12,333 --> 01:01:14,173
Speaker 17: I can't go out and buy a new pier of

1302
01:01:14,293 --> 01:01:17,933
Speaker 17: Nikes next week, Okay, fine, whatever, I've got enough shoes

1303
01:01:19,093 --> 01:01:23,333
Speaker 17: to wear. I just think it's amazing that a lot

1304
01:01:23,413 --> 01:01:27,573
Speaker 17: of New Zealanders have turned into the moaning stobs that

1305
01:01:27,733 --> 01:01:34,493
Speaker 17: we used to call the ponds. It's just crazy. We're

1306
01:01:34,693 --> 01:01:37,213
Speaker 17: so far away from everything, And I said, we're not

1307
01:01:37,333 --> 01:01:40,493
Speaker 17: in lockdown. We can do what we want now, we want,

1308
01:01:40,733 --> 01:01:43,813
Speaker 17: and it just might take a little bit of saving

1309
01:01:43,933 --> 01:01:47,053
Speaker 17: to get there, or to put things on hold. You know,

1310
01:01:47,453 --> 01:01:50,813
Speaker 17: do I need to go out and buy a you know,

1311
01:01:51,093 --> 01:01:54,933
Speaker 17: a new iPhone. No, I've got this iPhone perfectly vibe.

1312
01:01:55,013 --> 01:01:59,453
Speaker 17: It'll ask me for wherever long. I just say, we

1313
01:01:59,653 --> 01:02:04,133
Speaker 17: are our own own destroyer, and you know, the sooner

1314
01:02:04,173 --> 01:02:07,613
Speaker 17: everyone realizes that just to chill, But you still need

1315
01:02:07,813 --> 01:02:10,853
Speaker 17: to stay current for what's going on in the world

1316
01:02:11,093 --> 01:02:12,013
Speaker 17: is important, you.

1317
01:02:12,053 --> 01:02:14,933
Speaker 2: Know, it's how much how current do you think you

1318
01:02:15,013 --> 01:02:16,453
Speaker 2: need to be? How much do you need to know?

1319
01:02:16,653 --> 01:02:20,053
Speaker 2: Because a lot of people, you know, if you follow,

1320
01:02:20,093 --> 01:02:22,293
Speaker 2: if you're on social media, you'll see every single fight

1321
01:02:22,613 --> 01:02:25,653
Speaker 2: that happens in Auckland. So every single scrap someone or

1322
01:02:25,693 --> 01:02:29,213
Speaker 2: film it get in your feed and then you see that,

1323
01:02:29,333 --> 01:02:31,693
Speaker 2: so you're informed that it's been a scrap and you

1324
01:02:31,773 --> 01:02:34,333
Speaker 2: know we Stalkland or something. You're informed of that. But

1325
01:02:34,373 --> 01:02:36,093
Speaker 2: there was always scraps that we Storkland. You just didn't

1326
01:02:36,093 --> 01:02:38,333
Speaker 2: know about them. But you watch that and your anxiety

1327
01:02:38,373 --> 01:02:40,573
Speaker 2: peaks and you go, oh, everyone's fighting on the streets.

1328
01:02:41,133 --> 01:02:43,293
Speaker 2: So there is a limit to how informed you need

1329
01:02:43,373 --> 01:02:45,973
Speaker 2: to be, do you think, Peter, I think.

1330
01:02:45,853 --> 01:02:48,893
Speaker 17: One hundred percent. Look, how long has the conflict's been

1331
01:02:48,973 --> 01:02:51,493
Speaker 17: going in the Middle East? For as long as I've

1332
01:02:51,533 --> 01:02:55,013
Speaker 17: been alive. You know, for the last since seventies, it's

1333
01:02:55,093 --> 01:02:59,133
Speaker 17: always it's just shifted from one area to another, or

1334
01:02:59,213 --> 01:03:02,653
Speaker 17: a sandstorm's coming and this is flearing up over there,

1335
01:03:02,773 --> 01:03:06,333
Speaker 17: and it's just a forever going. The Irish always hate

1336
01:03:06,333 --> 01:03:10,533
Speaker 17: the British deep down inside, you know, it's always gonna

1337
01:03:10,573 --> 01:03:13,733
Speaker 17: be there and there's nothing I can do about it.

1338
01:03:13,813 --> 01:03:15,933
Speaker 17: I've got my family, I've got my friends. Good on

1339
01:03:15,973 --> 01:03:19,813
Speaker 17: your page, so cheer up New Zealan.

1340
01:03:19,893 --> 01:03:21,053
Speaker 9: Come on, Kiwis.

1341
01:03:22,373 --> 01:03:24,053
Speaker 3: Schear up New Zelling, come on Kiwi's.

1342
01:03:24,413 --> 01:03:26,973
Speaker 2: I mean it's you know, and it's we're blasting at

1343
01:03:27,013 --> 01:03:29,613
Speaker 2: the cliches around you know, the things you can control

1344
01:03:29,693 --> 01:03:32,293
Speaker 2: and the things you can't control. And what's the serenity player,

1345
01:03:32,933 --> 01:03:34,973
Speaker 2: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I

1346
01:03:35,013 --> 01:03:37,293
Speaker 2: cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and

1347
01:03:37,453 --> 01:03:39,293
Speaker 2: wisdom to know the difference. A lot of truth in

1348
01:03:39,333 --> 01:03:41,293
Speaker 2: that people have been pointing this out for a long time.

1349
01:03:41,333 --> 01:03:43,213
Speaker 2: But the gratitude thing is a big one as well.

1350
01:03:43,373 --> 01:03:46,453
Speaker 2: I mean, you can you can choose resentment or gratitude,

1351
01:03:46,573 --> 01:03:48,653
Speaker 2: and there's always a lot of things to be resentful for,

1352
01:03:49,213 --> 01:03:51,773
Speaker 2: but if you choose gratitude on any given occasion, you

1353
01:03:51,853 --> 01:03:53,173
Speaker 2: know if you if you like Peter and you go,

1354
01:03:53,293 --> 01:03:57,613
Speaker 2: I've got my family, you know, I've got my friends.

1355
01:03:58,373 --> 01:03:59,853
Speaker 2: You know, if you can just list the things.

1356
01:04:00,133 --> 01:04:02,293
Speaker 3: I've got, food in my pantry. I've got a job.

1357
01:04:02,333 --> 01:04:04,053
Speaker 3: Even if you don't have a job, you'll have something. Yeah,

1358
01:04:04,093 --> 01:04:07,053
Speaker 3: there's always something to be gracious for. Keep those texts

1359
01:04:07,093 --> 01:04:09,933
Speaker 3: coming through. On nine two nine two, Hi, Matt and.

1360
01:04:09,933 --> 01:04:12,093
Speaker 2: Tyler says Robin, I just got to say my happiness

1361
01:04:12,173 --> 01:04:14,293
Speaker 2: is about ninety nine percent. I put that down to

1362
01:04:14,373 --> 01:04:16,693
Speaker 2: a great relationship with my partner. In six years. We've

1363
01:04:16,733 --> 01:04:19,533
Speaker 2: had a few disagreements, but never had an argument. Limited

1364
01:04:19,573 --> 01:04:21,853
Speaker 2: stress in our lives. Financially, we know our limits and

1365
01:04:21,933 --> 01:04:24,973
Speaker 2: operate within those boundaries. I always remember, ninety nine point

1366
01:04:25,053 --> 01:04:27,613
Speaker 2: nine percent of the things we worry about never happen.

1367
01:04:27,933 --> 01:04:31,493
Speaker 2: Keep smiling, Robert, That's true. So many things you spend

1368
01:04:31,573 --> 01:04:33,253
Speaker 2: you know, you think about all the things you worried about,

1369
01:04:33,813 --> 01:04:36,853
Speaker 2: the chances of you getting the thing, the thing that

1370
01:04:36,853 --> 01:04:38,333
Speaker 2: you're worrying about happening minimum.

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01:04:38,493 --> 01:04:40,813
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, all that stress, it's.

1372
01:04:40,773 --> 01:04:42,813
Speaker 2: Much like could be something totally different that comes along.

1373
01:04:42,933 --> 01:04:43,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1374
01:04:43,693 --> 01:04:45,493
Speaker 2: Oh, and I've wasted your time worrying about something that

1375
01:04:45,493 --> 01:04:45,933
Speaker 2: didn't happen.

1376
01:04:45,973 --> 01:04:48,133
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

1377
01:04:48,173 --> 01:04:51,093
Speaker 3: to call? How are you finding happiness with what's going

1378
01:04:51,093 --> 01:04:53,093
Speaker 3: on at the world in the world at the moment?

1379
01:04:53,693 --> 01:04:56,573
Speaker 3: Share your stories. It is twenty to three bag Fory surely.

1380
01:04:57,573 --> 01:05:01,973
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Mattie and Tyler Adams Afternoons

1381
01:05:02,133 --> 01:05:05,453
Speaker 1: with Skoda? Can you crack the Scoda code news talks?

1382
01:05:05,493 --> 01:05:08,213
Speaker 3: They'd be It is seventeen to three plenty of tex

1383
01:05:08,413 --> 01:05:09,493
Speaker 3: coming through on nineteen nine two.

1384
01:05:09,693 --> 01:05:12,133
Speaker 2: John says, Hey, guys, comparison is the thief of joy.

1385
01:05:12,173 --> 01:05:14,413
Speaker 2: People are unhappy because they spend too much time watching

1386
01:05:14,533 --> 01:05:17,373
Speaker 2: all those perfect lives on social media. Focus on what

1387
01:05:17,493 --> 01:05:20,613
Speaker 2: you have, not what your neighbor has. What's the saying

1388
01:05:20,693 --> 01:05:23,253
Speaker 2: that you are always living someone's dream life. So everyone's

1389
01:05:23,253 --> 01:05:25,173
Speaker 2: always looking at other dream lives, but you're always living

1390
01:05:25,213 --> 01:05:27,373
Speaker 2: someone's dream life. There'd be someone in a third world

1391
01:05:27,413 --> 01:05:29,493
Speaker 2: country that would look at your life and go, oh

1392
01:05:29,613 --> 01:05:31,733
Speaker 2: my god, that person is living a dream life. And

1393
01:05:31,733 --> 01:05:33,173
Speaker 2: then they'd be amazed to find out that you were

1394
01:05:33,213 --> 01:05:36,813
Speaker 2: miserable and worried and anxious sitting here in New Zealand,

1395
01:05:37,093 --> 01:05:39,253
Speaker 2: and you're also living your own dream life. Because say

1396
01:05:39,373 --> 01:05:43,333
Speaker 2: you're fifty. Now, when you're seventy five, you'll go, boy,

1397
01:05:43,533 --> 01:05:44,973
Speaker 2: I could do a lot more stuff when I was fifty.

1398
01:05:45,053 --> 01:05:47,573
Speaker 2: So you're actually even living your future self s dream life.

1399
01:05:47,733 --> 01:05:50,893
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. Yeah, so you're always living someone's dream life,

1400
01:05:51,013 --> 01:05:53,733
Speaker 3: including your own. Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

1401
01:05:53,813 --> 01:05:58,053
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call, Mike. You've traveled a lot.

1402
01:05:58,373 --> 01:05:59,013
Speaker 3: How are you mate?

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01:05:59,053 --> 01:06:03,133
Speaker 8: I give me a similar conversation with you guys a

1404
01:06:03,173 --> 01:06:05,573
Speaker 8: while ago when I was fucking New Zealand, so I'd

1405
01:06:05,613 --> 01:06:08,653
Speaker 8: be living in Thailand for the eleven year years now

1406
01:06:08,653 --> 01:06:10,373
Speaker 8: I'll live about six months there and I come back

1407
01:06:10,373 --> 01:06:12,813
Speaker 8: to tow Zeland for six months of the year. And

1408
01:06:13,013 --> 01:06:16,133
Speaker 8: it just greats me, really when I come back here

1409
01:06:16,133 --> 01:06:18,213
Speaker 8: and see how miserable people are and the reasons are

1410
01:06:18,213 --> 01:06:21,213
Speaker 8: there miserable. So last time I came back, it was

1411
01:06:21,253 --> 01:06:24,093
Speaker 8: across the living crisis. Now it's the oil crisis. You

1412
01:06:24,213 --> 01:06:26,493
Speaker 8: watch a two minute clip on the TV and then

1413
01:06:26,533 --> 01:06:28,053
Speaker 8: all of a sudden, they won't experts on it. They

1414
01:06:28,093 --> 01:06:31,533
Speaker 8: all want to be visible about it. So I learned

1415
01:06:31,613 --> 01:06:33,613
Speaker 8: a lesson with this, and a long time ago, more

1416
01:06:33,653 --> 01:06:36,013
Speaker 8: than before I left Ireland, probably fifteen years ago, I

1417
01:06:36,173 --> 01:06:38,853
Speaker 8: threw me telling you life. I don't do social media,

1418
01:06:39,293 --> 01:06:42,253
Speaker 8: so the news can't actually impact upon my life. So

1419
01:06:42,493 --> 01:06:44,493
Speaker 8: when I see how they live over the Southeast age

1420
01:06:44,573 --> 01:06:47,973
Speaker 8: they music from a singer with the band and we

1421
01:06:48,133 --> 01:06:50,813
Speaker 8: go all over the nam Campbell of the Philippines, whatever else.

1422
01:06:51,533 --> 01:06:54,173
Speaker 8: And I see these people and they have nothing. And

1423
01:06:54,293 --> 01:06:57,173
Speaker 8: you've just said something very very very poignant to that

1424
01:06:57,773 --> 01:07:00,413
Speaker 8: was the fact that when you see them people in Nice,

1425
01:07:00,493 --> 01:07:02,453
Speaker 8: I show them pictures of New Zealand or US and

1426
01:07:02,493 --> 01:07:04,333
Speaker 8: New Zealand there's the most beautiful contrain in the world.

1427
01:07:04,333 --> 01:07:07,333
Speaker 8: By the way, when they see when they see picture,

1428
01:07:07,573 --> 01:07:10,693
Speaker 8: it's like a dream. He used to kick it to it. Dumb,

1429
01:07:10,733 --> 01:07:12,213
Speaker 8: says happy. And what the kiwis are?

1430
01:07:14,613 --> 01:07:17,293
Speaker 2: That is the hard to understand thing, isn't it?

1431
01:07:17,893 --> 01:07:18,493
Speaker 9: I think that's not.

1432
01:07:18,613 --> 01:07:21,973
Speaker 8: It's because it's because there and the spirit, the three

1433
01:07:22,013 --> 01:07:24,573
Speaker 8: and in the mind, it's not a it's not a.

1434
01:07:26,413 --> 01:07:26,533
Speaker 11: Like that.

1435
01:07:26,613 --> 01:07:28,693
Speaker 8: I've just been through Renuare and I've seen make twenty

1436
01:07:28,773 --> 01:07:31,173
Speaker 8: year old gears thrown around the two undred thousands of cars.

1437
01:07:32,213 --> 01:07:36,013
Speaker 8: What's the point, really, I thought, I don't understand it anymore.

1438
01:07:36,053 --> 01:07:38,533
Speaker 2: Around well, I think one thing that that makes you

1439
01:07:38,613 --> 01:07:41,413
Speaker 2: happy more than anything else, as being around other human

1440
01:07:41,533 --> 01:07:44,653
Speaker 2: beings that you love. I think if you know the

1441
01:07:44,773 --> 01:07:48,813
Speaker 2: more other human beings that you love or respector or

1442
01:07:49,173 --> 01:07:52,413
Speaker 2: like or it's a huge thing. And what we kind

1443
01:07:52,453 --> 01:07:54,453
Speaker 2: of do in modern times is we try and lock

1444
01:07:54,533 --> 01:07:56,853
Speaker 2: ourselves away on the other side of town from from

1445
01:07:56,973 --> 01:08:00,213
Speaker 2: people and put fences up and sitting rooms by ourselves

1446
01:08:00,213 --> 01:08:02,053
Speaker 2: and wonder why we're miserable because we're doing something that

1447
01:08:02,173 --> 01:08:04,973
Speaker 2: humans never have. And and often in third world countries,

1448
01:08:05,053 --> 01:08:09,013
Speaker 2: family units are very close, so they're surrounded the center

1449
01:08:09,013 --> 01:08:13,613
Speaker 2: of generations in this and cousins and cousins' friends, and

1450
01:08:13,653 --> 01:08:16,572
Speaker 2: there's a much there's a big circle of people around

1451
01:08:16,613 --> 01:08:19,293
Speaker 2: them that they're interacting with that heaven and interest in

1452
01:08:19,333 --> 01:08:19,772
Speaker 2: their lives.

1453
01:08:20,653 --> 01:08:23,532
Speaker 8: Well, there's it's more of a necessity there than anything

1454
01:08:23,613 --> 01:08:25,893
Speaker 8: else because they have nothing. So if you got a

1455
01:08:25,933 --> 01:08:27,532
Speaker 8: guy like I'm sixty five. So if you get a

1456
01:08:27,572 --> 01:08:29,812
Speaker 8: guy over here the sixty five and you don't work anymore,

1457
01:08:29,853 --> 01:08:32,612
Speaker 8: for example, well there's no handoff from the states. Yeah, right,

1458
01:08:33,452 --> 01:08:35,732
Speaker 8: the family have to look after and that's things you

1459
01:08:35,893 --> 01:08:39,973
Speaker 8: unity within the family. Whereas you come back it's like

1460
01:08:40,372 --> 01:08:42,492
Speaker 8: I'm convinced now in the Western world at ninety five

1461
01:08:42,532 --> 01:08:45,893
Speaker 8: percent of alcoholics. And it's like you've got everything. I

1462
01:08:46,013 --> 01:08:48,452
Speaker 8: mean that you live in New Zealand and you average

1463
01:08:48,492 --> 01:08:51,372
Speaker 8: person New zum not all, but you average person museum

1464
01:08:51,532 --> 01:08:53,013
Speaker 8: is in the top sweet per set of people on

1465
01:08:53,093 --> 01:08:56,173
Speaker 8: the planet of finance. So what that tells me is

1466
01:08:56,213 --> 01:08:58,133
Speaker 8: that money will never meet you happy. It can make

1467
01:08:58,173 --> 01:09:00,492
Speaker 8: your life easier, but it will never make you happy.

1468
01:09:00,933 --> 01:09:01,133
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1469
01:09:01,532 --> 01:09:03,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that'll be confronting for a lot of people.

1470
01:09:03,412 --> 01:09:04,293
Speaker 3: To keep it truth.

1471
01:09:04,492 --> 01:09:07,013
Speaker 2: Use your money to be around people that you love.

1472
01:09:07,133 --> 01:09:08,893
Speaker 2: That's this way to do it. Hey, just before we

1473
01:09:09,133 --> 01:09:11,572
Speaker 2: let you go, Mike, are you we're about Are you

1474
01:09:11,692 --> 01:09:13,892
Speaker 2: originally from because you sound a lot like Dave Lester

1475
01:09:14,013 --> 01:09:14,772
Speaker 2: from Red Dwarf.

1476
01:09:21,333 --> 01:09:23,892
Speaker 8: I'm really from Liverpool, La. Came to New Zealand thirty

1477
01:09:24,372 --> 01:09:26,372
Speaker 8: thirty four years ago and here's the tickets for that.

1478
01:09:26,532 --> 01:09:29,173
Speaker 8: By the way, i have no desire to go back

1479
01:09:29,173 --> 01:09:31,412
Speaker 8: to England at all. I've always thought New Zealand is

1480
01:09:31,412 --> 01:09:33,532
Speaker 8: the most fantastic country in the world that is really

1481
01:09:33,612 --> 01:09:35,293
Speaker 8: good to me. And brought up two sons who are

1482
01:09:35,293 --> 01:09:38,692
Speaker 8: both left now unfortunately, ones in Australian, ones in the London,

1483
01:09:38,732 --> 01:09:41,173
Speaker 8: and the chances of them coming back are very slim

1484
01:09:41,333 --> 01:09:44,173
Speaker 8: course me. But what I see in New Zealand, because

1485
01:09:44,173 --> 01:09:46,572
Speaker 8: it can detach myself a little from it, is that

1486
01:09:46,772 --> 01:09:49,532
Speaker 8: I think COVID had a bigger impact here than anywhere else.

1487
01:09:49,893 --> 01:09:52,852
Speaker 8: I hate talking about COLVID because people allowed to destroy

1488
01:09:52,893 --> 01:09:54,732
Speaker 8: the way rather than try and actually beat it by

1489
01:09:54,812 --> 01:09:57,732
Speaker 8: getting away from it whatever else. But I don't think

1490
01:09:57,812 --> 01:10:00,933
Speaker 8: New Zealand's ever fully fully recovered from that, and I

1491
01:10:01,013 --> 01:10:02,412
Speaker 8: think there's still hanged over there.

1492
01:10:02,853 --> 01:10:03,053
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1493
01:10:04,732 --> 01:10:07,213
Speaker 2: I think in COVID, what happened as we celebrated, we

1494
01:10:07,293 --> 01:10:08,772
Speaker 2: were like, we're the greatest in the world, right at

1495
01:10:08,772 --> 01:10:10,612
Speaker 2: the front of the class. We've got a with fingers,

1496
01:10:11,013 --> 01:10:14,012
Speaker 2: leagues crossed, and everyone's celebrating us. We were having concerts

1497
01:10:14,053 --> 01:10:15,732
Speaker 2: and when the rest of the world was shut down,

1498
01:10:15,772 --> 01:10:17,852
Speaker 2: and we rubbed that in the world's face. And then

1499
01:10:18,013 --> 01:10:20,812
Speaker 2: our response fell off a cliff and then we start

1500
01:10:21,053 --> 01:10:23,772
Speaker 2: realizing that we had one of the hardest financial landings,

1501
01:10:23,853 --> 01:10:27,173
Speaker 2: and so it's like pride comes before a fall. Yeah,

1502
01:10:27,253 --> 01:10:29,973
Speaker 2: And I think what happened was we just got our

1503
01:10:30,013 --> 01:10:32,372
Speaker 2: confidence wet us too close to I think there was

1504
01:10:32,412 --> 01:10:34,532
Speaker 2: a sort of smug New Zealand confidence.

1505
01:10:34,173 --> 01:10:36,412
Speaker 8: That was that we had for a long time, Well,

1506
01:10:36,452 --> 01:10:39,052
Speaker 8: I'm going a different opinion. I actually just think and again,

1507
01:10:39,093 --> 01:10:41,412
Speaker 8: with the best respect, I think you just had it

1508
01:10:41,652 --> 01:10:44,173
Speaker 8: so easy here for so long, and I think the

1509
01:10:44,253 --> 01:10:47,133
Speaker 8: light is very easy and usum, the Gaines's not for all,

1510
01:10:47,532 --> 01:10:49,612
Speaker 8: but in the majority. When you look at that, like

1511
01:10:49,732 --> 01:10:52,572
Speaker 8: they come from Liverpool and I couldn't go quick enough

1512
01:10:52,612 --> 01:10:57,492
Speaker 8: because if you wanted to tough, that makes looked like Hollywood. Yeah,

1513
01:10:58,772 --> 01:11:04,293
Speaker 8: it's a different mindset and because ends and for people

1514
01:11:04,372 --> 01:11:06,412
Speaker 8: here it just never seems to be enough.

1515
01:11:06,612 --> 01:11:08,293
Speaker 3: There's something again now, I mean, look, there's a mate

1516
01:11:08,333 --> 01:11:10,492
Speaker 3: down in christ Church who's Scouse as well, and he

1517
01:11:10,532 --> 01:11:12,452
Speaker 3: grew up in council flats and a pretty but he

1518
01:11:12,572 --> 01:11:15,293
Speaker 3: is the happiest guy you'll ever come across. And maybe

1519
01:11:15,333 --> 01:11:17,772
Speaker 3: that's something in it that he had pretty rough upbringing.

1520
01:11:17,853 --> 01:11:19,452
Speaker 3: But now he's in New Zealand and he thinks this

1521
01:11:19,612 --> 01:11:22,492
Speaker 3: is the best place on the planet and he's working

1522
01:11:22,572 --> 01:11:24,652
Speaker 3: as a gardener and he's happy as Larry May. There's

1523
01:11:24,652 --> 01:11:26,812
Speaker 3: something in it when you know you come from that

1524
01:11:26,933 --> 01:11:28,492
Speaker 3: sort of background and then you land in a place

1525
01:11:28,532 --> 01:11:30,412
Speaker 3: like New Zealand and saying you guys got to give

1526
01:11:30,412 --> 01:11:31,852
Speaker 3: yourself an uppercut. This is great here.

1527
01:11:32,053 --> 01:11:33,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I tell you who had every reason to

1528
01:11:33,973 --> 01:11:37,253
Speaker 2: be depressed was Dave Lister in the TV show Red Dwarf,

1529
01:11:37,293 --> 01:11:41,412
Speaker 2: who was also a Liverpudlian. He stuck in space by

1530
01:11:41,452 --> 01:11:46,452
Speaker 2: himself with no other humans, the hologram and a human,

1531
01:11:46,532 --> 01:11:47,932
Speaker 2: a cat that evolved into a human.

1532
01:11:48,612 --> 01:11:49,293
Speaker 3: Tough existence.

1533
01:11:49,372 --> 01:11:51,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a tough existence going there. But there

1534
01:11:51,853 --> 01:11:53,932
Speaker 2: is something in that because you know what cold water

1535
01:11:54,013 --> 01:11:59,932
Speaker 2: theory is. If you experience, you know, something a struggle

1536
01:12:00,253 --> 01:12:02,293
Speaker 2: which is getting in cold water as a struggle of sorts,

1537
01:12:02,652 --> 01:12:05,852
Speaker 2: then what you get afterwards is happiness. Right, Yeah, So

1538
01:12:06,772 --> 01:12:11,213
Speaker 2: when you go through hard stuff, the weird thing as

1539
01:12:11,452 --> 01:12:14,612
Speaker 2: in the human and humans, that pain brings pleasure.

1540
01:12:14,732 --> 01:12:17,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything else is easier and more joyful after that.

1541
01:12:17,492 --> 01:12:18,852
Speaker 3: Have you've gone through the absolute ring it?

1542
01:12:18,933 --> 01:12:21,612
Speaker 2: So when things get really really easy, people get really

1543
01:12:21,652 --> 01:12:22,293
Speaker 2: really miserable.

1544
01:12:22,372 --> 01:12:24,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, my great call. Thank you very much for giving

1545
01:12:24,452 --> 01:12:26,213
Speaker 3: us a buzz back. Very shortly, it's ten to three,

1546
01:12:27,173 --> 01:12:27,852
Speaker 3: the issues that.

1547
01:12:27,933 --> 01:12:30,213
Speaker 1: Affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

1548
01:12:30,492 --> 01:12:33,853
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

1549
01:12:33,652 --> 01:12:37,253
Speaker 3: EDB, News Talks EDB. It is seven minutes to three

1550
01:12:37,293 --> 01:12:39,412
Speaker 3: and we are talking about happiness. We've fallen down a

1551
01:12:39,412 --> 01:12:41,973
Speaker 3: little bit on the happiness indexed worldwide. But how do

1552
01:12:42,013 --> 01:12:44,052
Speaker 3: you find happiness in these crazy times?

1553
01:12:44,173 --> 01:12:47,013
Speaker 2: The successteen people who complain about what they don't have

1554
01:12:47,213 --> 01:12:49,532
Speaker 2: instead of appreciating what they do have clearly haven't worked

1555
01:12:49,612 --> 01:12:51,532
Speaker 2: very hard and have received a fair amount of handouts.

1556
01:12:51,652 --> 01:12:55,253
Speaker 2: The Friday motto is this, gents, life isn't about what

1557
01:12:55,452 --> 01:12:56,572
Speaker 2: you have, it's who you have.

1558
01:12:57,293 --> 01:12:57,692
Speaker 8: That's deep.

1559
01:12:57,893 --> 01:12:58,053
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1560
01:12:58,333 --> 01:13:01,853
Speaker 2: If we all remember that a bit more, the smiles

1561
01:13:01,933 --> 01:13:05,732
Speaker 2: will flow a bit more. Yeah, it's true. That's so true,

1562
01:13:05,772 --> 01:13:07,973
Speaker 2: isn't it. Life isn't about what you have, it's about who.

1563
01:13:08,093 --> 01:13:08,253
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1564
01:13:08,492 --> 01:13:11,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, nice takes. Thank you very much, keep them coming on,

1565
01:13:11,933 --> 01:13:13,133
Speaker 3: coming in on nine to nine two.

1566
01:13:13,293 --> 01:13:15,412
Speaker 2: The six is, hey, guys, great show, But you've only

1567
01:13:15,452 --> 01:13:17,173
Speaker 2: talked to the older generation. They have a lot to

1568
01:13:17,253 --> 01:13:19,492
Speaker 2: be happy for having lived life, but interested to hear

1569
01:13:19,853 --> 01:13:21,812
Speaker 2: from any young people and seeing what they have to say.

1570
01:13:22,013 --> 01:13:26,213
Speaker 2: But isn't that the case that you know? They say

1571
01:13:26,933 --> 01:13:29,933
Speaker 2: youth is wasted on the young because just when you

1572
01:13:29,973 --> 01:13:32,372
Speaker 2: should be happy about everything. What I always find funny

1573
01:13:32,412 --> 01:13:34,252
Speaker 2: is how young people in New Zealand are so resentful

1574
01:13:34,412 --> 01:13:36,852
Speaker 2: of baby boomers and you're like the baby boomers would

1575
01:13:36,853 --> 01:13:40,932
Speaker 2: give anything to have the health and opportunities in time

1576
01:13:41,013 --> 01:13:43,213
Speaker 2: that you have, But at that point you were just

1577
01:13:43,293 --> 01:13:46,492
Speaker 2: so focused on being angry at what material stuff they have,

1578
01:13:46,652 --> 01:13:51,372
Speaker 2: when health and time are worth so much more than

1579
01:13:51,652 --> 01:13:56,492
Speaker 2: any house, assets or money in the bank. So just

1580
01:13:56,612 --> 01:13:59,532
Speaker 2: when you have everything is when you are the most

1581
01:13:59,973 --> 01:14:01,812
Speaker 2: often the most miserable. That's why they find that people

1582
01:14:01,853 --> 01:14:04,133
Speaker 2: in their sixties and seventies are quite happy because they

1583
01:14:04,213 --> 01:14:05,612
Speaker 2: realize that a lot of the stuff that they thought

1584
01:14:05,692 --> 01:14:09,812
Speaker 2: was important isn't important. Rangely, you know, you'd think that

1585
01:14:09,973 --> 01:14:13,932
Speaker 2: at you know, twenty, you'd be like, yes, yeah, everything's awesome,

1586
01:14:14,053 --> 01:14:15,492
Speaker 2: I've got everything in front of me.

1587
01:14:15,612 --> 01:14:18,612
Speaker 3: Let's go. But the same reality is that takes time

1588
01:14:18,692 --> 01:14:21,013
Speaker 3: and age until you find that out. Paul, We've got

1589
01:14:21,053 --> 01:14:22,452
Speaker 3: about ninety seconds.

1590
01:14:22,452 --> 01:14:26,933
Speaker 5: How are you my friend by afternoon? My take on

1591
01:14:27,732 --> 01:14:32,692
Speaker 5: happiness is that happiness is fleeting. It's just you have

1592
01:14:32,893 --> 01:14:36,253
Speaker 5: that when everything's going your way. But what we aim

1593
01:14:36,333 --> 01:14:42,372
Speaker 5: for is joy, and over the past centuries, billions of

1594
01:14:42,452 --> 01:14:49,732
Speaker 5: people had joy in really in relationship with Jesus Christ. Yeah,

1595
01:14:49,812 --> 01:14:52,652
Speaker 5: it's a it's a people A lot of people not

1596
01:14:52,933 --> 01:14:56,013
Speaker 5: like that, but that's the truth. Even they're fed to

1597
01:14:56,093 --> 01:15:01,132
Speaker 5: the lions or tortured because of him, your happiness, enjoy increases.

1598
01:15:02,333 --> 01:15:04,732
Speaker 2: That's interesting because I did this. I was on stage

1599
01:15:04,772 --> 01:15:07,852
Speaker 2: with this guy called Stephen Penko, is a very famous atheist,

1600
01:15:07,893 --> 01:15:09,372
Speaker 2: and he said one thing that was suppressed out of

1601
01:15:09,412 --> 01:15:12,452
Speaker 2: his university was that every study that came back found

1602
01:15:12,612 --> 01:15:16,973
Speaker 2: that Christians were happier than non Christians. It was just

1603
01:15:17,133 --> 01:15:19,412
Speaker 2: a fact. And they said that was suppressed by Harvard

1604
01:15:19,492 --> 01:15:21,333
Speaker 2: University because they didn't want that to get out there.

1605
01:15:21,853 --> 01:15:23,652
Speaker 2: So it's you know, the.

1606
01:15:23,772 --> 01:15:26,012
Speaker 3: Joy makes joy of sense. Yeah, the joy, the joy,

1607
01:15:26,133 --> 01:15:28,372
Speaker 3: the joy, Thank you, Paul, Yeah, a lot in that, right.

1608
01:15:28,452 --> 01:15:30,412
Speaker 3: We'll keep this going for a little bit. O eight

1609
01:15:30,412 --> 01:15:31,892
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty How do you find

1610
01:15:31,933 --> 01:15:33,812
Speaker 3: happiness in the world? And just after the news you

1611
01:15:33,893 --> 01:15:37,853
Speaker 3: mentioned something before Matt about gratitude and you know, to paraphrase,

1612
01:15:37,933 --> 01:15:40,133
Speaker 3: in thirty years time, you would give a lot to

1613
01:15:40,213 --> 01:15:42,053
Speaker 3: be back at the age you are right now, in

1614
01:15:42,133 --> 01:15:44,173
Speaker 3: terms of our healthy er, et cetera, et cetera. And

1615
01:15:44,213 --> 01:15:46,572
Speaker 3: it made me think of a clip from Jimmy Cass

1616
01:15:46,652 --> 01:15:48,972
Speaker 3: will play that after the news, the well known comedian,

1617
01:15:49,173 --> 01:15:50,932
Speaker 3: but taking your calls on our eight hundred and eighty

1618
01:15:51,093 --> 01:15:52,812
Speaker 3: ten eighty. If you want to send the next nine

1619
01:15:52,893 --> 01:15:55,253
Speaker 3: two nine two is that number? Stay right here, will

1620
01:15:55,253 --> 01:15:55,972
Speaker 3: be back very soon.

1621
01:15:57,692 --> 01:16:01,812
Speaker 7: Love, big stories, the leig issues, the big trends and

1622
01:16:02,173 --> 01:16:03,132
Speaker 7: everything in between.

1623
01:16:03,532 --> 01:16:08,052
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoon Squid Skoda News Talk.

1624
01:16:07,933 --> 01:16:11,692
Speaker 3: Said that afternoon to you, welcome back into the show,

1625
01:16:12,013 --> 01:16:15,772
Speaker 3: six past three. It is a Friday afternoon, the final

1626
01:16:15,853 --> 01:16:18,333
Speaker 3: hour for us for the week. Great to have your company.

1627
01:16:18,652 --> 01:16:20,732
Speaker 3: And we have been talking about happiness. This was after

1628
01:16:20,812 --> 01:16:23,412
Speaker 3: New Zealand dropped down to eleventh place in the world

1629
01:16:23,492 --> 01:16:26,572
Speaker 3: and the World Happiness Index. Usually we're in the top five.

1630
01:16:27,293 --> 01:16:29,972
Speaker 2: It's interesting though, because I can feel us dropping down.

1631
01:16:30,053 --> 01:16:33,093
Speaker 2: I can feel the amount of winging increasing. I think

1632
01:16:33,173 --> 01:16:36,412
Speaker 2: there used to be you don't know how lucky we are, smug,

1633
01:16:36,652 --> 01:16:38,973
Speaker 2: We've got this beautiful country that we live in and

1634
01:16:39,732 --> 01:16:42,492
Speaker 2: there are challenges, but you know, we're all in this together.

1635
01:16:42,572 --> 01:16:45,253
Speaker 2: Let's get it done. There was sort of a feeling, Yeah,

1636
01:16:45,253 --> 01:16:47,372
Speaker 2: there was. I feel now we've got into a doom

1637
01:16:47,532 --> 01:16:51,333
Speaker 2: cycle where people are celebrated for winging. Yeah, and you know,

1638
01:16:51,412 --> 01:16:53,732
Speaker 2: the more things you can come up to complain about,

1639
01:16:53,893 --> 01:16:57,333
Speaker 2: then the more collapse and likes you get.

1640
01:16:57,492 --> 01:16:59,093
Speaker 3: It does feel that, yeah, And I think a lot

1641
01:16:59,133 --> 01:17:01,412
Speaker 3: of people went surprised to see us on eleven, which

1642
01:17:01,492 --> 01:17:03,692
Speaker 3: sucks because normally we're very proud of being in the

1643
01:17:03,732 --> 01:17:05,692
Speaker 3: top five, but now we're at eleven. People, Oh yeah,

1644
01:17:05,772 --> 01:17:07,173
Speaker 3: they're tracks, They're tracks.

1645
01:17:07,532 --> 01:17:09,973
Speaker 2: I would say that all those kind of studies are

1646
01:17:10,093 --> 01:17:10,972
Speaker 2: absolute bollots.

1647
01:17:11,572 --> 01:17:13,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a lot of that as well.

1648
01:17:13,492 --> 01:17:16,053
Speaker 2: So while we see that there. Yeah, really, what we're

1649
01:17:16,053 --> 01:17:18,933
Speaker 2: talking about is a vibe. And I don't think anyone

1650
01:17:19,253 --> 01:17:23,053
Speaker 2: could deny that there has been a negativity that's come

1651
01:17:23,093 --> 01:17:25,692
Speaker 2: into the country post COVID.

1652
01:17:25,933 --> 01:17:28,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a glory that is settled over. Yeah, and

1653
01:17:28,612 --> 01:17:31,173
Speaker 3: it hasn't you know, the sun hasn't shone through completely yet.

1654
01:17:31,333 --> 01:17:31,532
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1655
01:17:31,732 --> 01:17:31,932
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1656
01:17:32,133 --> 01:17:36,293
Speaker 3: Now, before the news you were talking about gratitude. Gratitude

1657
01:17:36,333 --> 01:17:39,213
Speaker 3: in general is a good way to fight the negativity

1658
01:17:39,253 --> 01:17:41,892
Speaker 3: and just reassess, you know, how good things actually are

1659
01:17:42,013 --> 01:17:44,052
Speaker 3: for you. And you mentioned the idea of in thirty

1660
01:17:44,133 --> 01:17:47,412
Speaker 3: years time, looking back on where you are today, if

1661
01:17:47,452 --> 01:17:50,293
Speaker 3: you could have a time machine, arguably you would give

1662
01:17:50,412 --> 01:17:52,372
Speaker 3: a hell of a lot to go back to where

1663
01:17:52,452 --> 01:17:55,052
Speaker 3: you are right now. In terms of your life is going,

1664
01:17:55,333 --> 01:17:56,732
Speaker 3: your health, etc.

1665
01:17:57,372 --> 01:17:57,572
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1666
01:17:57,652 --> 01:17:59,213
Speaker 2: So my point that I was trying to make is

1667
01:17:59,293 --> 01:18:03,492
Speaker 2: that you are living someone's dream life someone and someone

1668
01:18:03,532 --> 01:18:05,333
Speaker 2: in the third world could look at your life and

1669
01:18:05,452 --> 01:18:09,173
Speaker 2: go that person, the average New Zealander living a natural

1670
01:18:09,333 --> 01:18:10,933
Speaker 2: dream life. And then when they found out that you

1671
01:18:11,053 --> 01:18:13,852
Speaker 2: wanted more and that you were complaining, and that you

1672
01:18:13,973 --> 01:18:15,652
Speaker 2: thought that you were set upon and you were sitting

1673
01:18:15,812 --> 01:18:18,093
Speaker 2: around worrying about things that you see on the news,

1674
01:18:18,692 --> 01:18:21,132
Speaker 2: then they would be, oh my god, I can't believe

1675
01:18:21,253 --> 01:18:23,852
Speaker 2: that they are finding things to complain about. But then

1676
01:18:23,893 --> 01:18:26,492
Speaker 2: the further thing I said was also, you're living your

1677
01:18:26,532 --> 01:18:29,333
Speaker 2: own dream life because you won't always have the health

1678
01:18:29,372 --> 01:18:31,852
Speaker 2: you have now, yes, and you won't always be as

1679
01:18:31,933 --> 01:18:35,452
Speaker 2: young and vital as you are now. So twenty five

1680
01:18:35,532 --> 01:18:39,412
Speaker 2: years from now, you are living the dream life of

1681
01:18:39,452 --> 01:18:41,252
Speaker 2: yourself in twenty five years potentially.

1682
01:18:41,372 --> 01:18:41,572
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1683
01:18:41,612 --> 01:18:43,532
Speaker 3: And when you mentioned that, it's a clip that has

1684
01:18:43,572 --> 01:18:45,333
Speaker 3: gone viral. It's been around for some time, but it

1685
01:18:45,412 --> 01:18:48,972
Speaker 3: made me think of this clip from well known comedian

1686
01:18:49,093 --> 01:18:52,852
Speaker 3: Jimmy Carr. Incredibly intelligent guy, but let's have a listen.

1687
01:18:53,173 --> 01:18:57,372
Speaker 21: You would give me everything you own in twenty five

1688
01:18:57,452 --> 01:19:00,852
Speaker 21: years time to be the age you are now and

1689
01:19:00,933 --> 01:19:02,892
Speaker 21: as healthy as you are right now.

1690
01:19:03,053 --> 01:19:06,173
Speaker 3: And I think it's a really interesting meditation to.

1691
01:19:06,253 --> 01:19:08,173
Speaker 21: Think about if you had a time machine, if you

1692
01:19:08,213 --> 01:19:10,612
Speaker 21: were thirty years in the future, if you could be

1693
01:19:10,732 --> 01:19:13,892
Speaker 21: this healthy and feel this good and be this age,

1694
01:19:14,173 --> 01:19:17,572
Speaker 21: you give everything materially that you own in thirty years

1695
01:19:17,612 --> 01:19:19,093
Speaker 21: time to be back here, just to take that in

1696
01:19:19,133 --> 01:19:20,652
Speaker 21: for a minute, just to take a moment to think about.

1697
01:19:21,053 --> 01:19:21,293
Speaker 2: Wow.

1698
01:19:21,772 --> 01:19:26,093
Speaker 21: Gratitude is such an important virtue, and it's people talk

1699
01:19:26,093 --> 01:19:29,492
Speaker 21: about gratitude practice, and it does take some practice, and

1700
01:19:29,572 --> 01:19:32,372
Speaker 21: it often takes like it's it's a way of reframing

1701
01:19:32,732 --> 01:19:35,253
Speaker 21: the way that you see the world. So I think

1702
01:19:35,333 --> 01:19:37,093
Speaker 21: that we suffer in the West a little bit from

1703
01:19:37,173 --> 01:19:40,452
Speaker 21: life dysmorphia. You hear a lot about body dysmorphia, which

1704
01:19:40,532 --> 01:19:44,012
Speaker 21: ender dysmorphia. We've got life dysmorphia. A lot of people

1705
01:19:44,053 --> 01:19:47,412
Speaker 21: think their life is terrible because there's kind of the

1706
01:19:47,772 --> 01:19:51,133
Speaker 21: hedonic treadmill. You get used to how great your life is.

1707
01:19:53,173 --> 01:19:55,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, yeah, life dysmorphia. It's a great way

1708
01:19:55,893 --> 01:19:59,253
Speaker 3: to put it that there's this this weird perception that

1709
01:19:59,612 --> 01:20:02,293
Speaker 3: many people have that life sucks right now, and why

1710
01:20:02,772 --> 01:20:05,532
Speaker 3: aren't I a place that I think I deserve to be. Yeah,

1711
01:20:05,532 --> 01:20:07,132
Speaker 3: it's not based in reality.

1712
01:20:07,173 --> 01:20:09,893
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you've got like Lord planning today that she

1713
01:20:10,093 --> 01:20:11,772
Speaker 2: was signed up to a record deal when she's twelve

1714
01:20:11,772 --> 01:20:14,133
Speaker 2: and she's finally got her freedom from a oppressive record deal.

1715
01:20:14,853 --> 01:20:17,812
Speaker 2: You So, even with her millions and millions of dollars

1716
01:20:17,893 --> 01:20:20,492
Speaker 2: in this blessed life she's got, she's still finding reasons

1717
01:20:20,532 --> 01:20:23,253
Speaker 2: to complain about the path that got her there because

1718
01:20:23,293 --> 01:20:25,412
Speaker 2: she signed the record deal when she was twelve, which

1719
01:20:25,492 --> 01:20:28,013
Speaker 2: was something that everyone would want to do. Even she

1720
01:20:28,213 --> 01:20:31,013
Speaker 2: finds that it's miserable. I heard Robbie Williams was on

1721
01:20:31,412 --> 01:20:34,852
Speaker 2: My Costking was it this morning or yesterday? And he's

1722
01:20:34,893 --> 01:20:37,612
Speaker 2: had his struggles with deppression. So no matter, even if

1723
01:20:37,612 --> 01:20:41,372
Speaker 2: all your dreams come true, that suddenly becomes your new normal.

1724
01:20:41,853 --> 01:20:44,973
Speaker 2: And then it's called the hedonic dreadmill, as Jimmy car

1725
01:20:45,133 --> 01:20:47,053
Speaker 2: was saying. And then you find a reason to be

1726
01:20:47,213 --> 01:20:51,412
Speaker 2: miserable where you are. And that's why the whole comparing

1727
01:20:51,452 --> 01:20:53,732
Speaker 2: yourself with people that are worse off than you than

1728
01:20:53,772 --> 01:20:56,012
Speaker 2: people that are better off news really important. And finding

1729
01:20:56,053 --> 01:20:59,972
Speaker 2: some gratitude for what you've got. This text Thatggest says,

1730
01:20:59,973 --> 01:21:02,132
Speaker 2: the media is so focused on telling the younger generation

1731
01:21:02,213 --> 01:21:04,133
Speaker 2: how hard it is and how miserable they should be

1732
01:21:04,293 --> 01:21:07,132
Speaker 2: because life is so unfair. Between that and the social

1733
01:21:07,213 --> 01:21:10,372
Speaker 2: media generation, here is all the time everything they don't have,

1734
01:21:10,532 --> 01:21:13,492
Speaker 2: and how unfear it is for them, they'll all want

1735
01:21:13,572 --> 01:21:18,053
Speaker 2: more with less effort. Yeah, as interesting that kind of

1736
01:21:18,133 --> 01:21:22,612
Speaker 2: thing the whole. Anytime you're resenting anyone and you get

1737
01:21:22,652 --> 01:21:24,492
Speaker 2: a lot of resentment towards as are saying before the

1738
01:21:24,572 --> 01:21:28,093
Speaker 2: baby boomers. But resentment is not the way to make

1739
01:21:28,133 --> 01:21:30,612
Speaker 2: yourself happy, No, Because if you see someone with a

1740
01:21:30,692 --> 01:21:32,293
Speaker 2: nice car and a nice house and you resent it,

1741
01:21:32,372 --> 01:21:34,452
Speaker 2: that doesn't make you happy. If you're grateful for what

1742
01:21:34,572 --> 01:21:35,692
Speaker 2: you have, that makes you happy.

1743
01:21:35,853 --> 01:21:38,412
Speaker 3: Such a waste of time and mental energy being resentful

1744
01:21:38,572 --> 01:21:40,372
Speaker 3: on anybody else because they have because.

1745
01:21:40,173 --> 01:21:42,013
Speaker 2: The fact they've got something has absolutely nothing to do

1746
01:21:42,093 --> 01:21:42,293
Speaker 2: with you.

1747
01:21:42,532 --> 01:21:45,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, John, How are you this afternoon?

1748
01:21:46,173 --> 01:21:46,572
Speaker 14: Not bad?

1749
01:21:46,692 --> 01:21:46,933
Speaker 19: Thank you?

1750
01:21:47,612 --> 01:21:50,052
Speaker 22: I was going to say, you have to be happy

1751
01:21:50,093 --> 01:21:52,572
Speaker 22: on a beautiful sunny daylight we have right at the moment.

1752
01:21:52,893 --> 01:21:54,492
Speaker 3: It's gorgeous. Are you an orphan?

1753
01:21:54,572 --> 01:21:54,812
Speaker 5: John?

1754
01:21:55,853 --> 01:21:56,892
Speaker 14: Yes, I am beauty.

1755
01:21:57,412 --> 01:21:59,053
Speaker 2: I went for a run this morning and it was

1756
01:21:59,133 --> 01:22:01,452
Speaker 2: just such a that nice little Christmas that comes in.

1757
01:22:01,572 --> 01:22:04,612
Speaker 2: It's beautiful and clear. But there's that Christmas that comes

1758
01:22:04,652 --> 01:22:06,772
Speaker 2: into the air around mid March, near March.

1759
01:22:08,692 --> 01:22:11,172
Speaker 14: But I was going to say, how can a country,

1760
01:22:11,293 --> 01:22:14,333
Speaker 14: if you like, be happy or whatever, or even a

1761
01:22:14,492 --> 01:22:17,812
Speaker 14: group of people be happy. It's an individual thing, surely,

1762
01:22:18,293 --> 01:22:25,092
Speaker 14: it's I mean a couple of years ago I felt

1763
01:22:25,173 --> 01:22:27,572
Speaker 14: sort of a bit sorry for myself or have.

1764
01:22:27,692 --> 01:22:31,532
Speaker 22: I done the right thing or whatever when my brother

1765
01:22:31,652 --> 01:22:33,813
Speaker 22: in LAWA and nephews were all mocking.

1766
01:22:33,612 --> 01:22:35,333
Speaker 14: Me because I've bought an electric car.

1767
01:22:36,053 --> 01:22:36,692
Speaker 13: Now I'm sort of.

1768
01:22:36,732 --> 01:22:37,492
Speaker 14: Laughing at them.

1769
01:22:40,973 --> 01:22:44,572
Speaker 9: So it changes from time to time, day to day,

1770
01:22:44,853 --> 01:22:47,412
Speaker 9: I mean, and it's an individual thing.

1771
01:22:50,013 --> 01:22:54,173
Speaker 13: Yeah, I don't think you can say that country is happy,

1772
01:22:54,293 --> 01:22:56,053
Speaker 13: or that country's said or what we.

1773
01:22:56,293 --> 01:22:58,772
Speaker 2: Let's take it to you as an individual, John. You know,

1774
01:22:58,893 --> 01:23:03,492
Speaker 2: we've got the situation in Iran, like like, now, do

1775
01:23:03,612 --> 01:23:06,812
Speaker 2: you worry about those kind of major international things? Do

1776
01:23:06,853 --> 01:23:09,452
Speaker 2: you spend a lot of time on on thinking about

1777
01:23:09,492 --> 01:23:10,133
Speaker 2: those kind of things?

1778
01:23:11,412 --> 01:23:14,052
Speaker 13: Yes, I am concerned. I take a very active interest

1779
01:23:14,133 --> 01:23:14,893
Speaker 13: in politics.

1780
01:23:16,093 --> 01:23:17,333
Speaker 9: I like reading about it.

1781
01:23:17,652 --> 01:23:19,772
Speaker 13: I listened to the news. I listen to what people

1782
01:23:19,853 --> 01:23:24,212
Speaker 13: are saying about it. I think Trump's a very unhappy

1783
01:23:24,293 --> 01:23:30,173
Speaker 13: man himself. But for me, it's not really affecting me

1784
01:23:30,772 --> 01:23:34,213
Speaker 13: like it would be someone who's living over there. So

1785
01:23:35,612 --> 01:23:39,372
Speaker 13: I'm pleased about that. I wouldn't say I was happy

1786
01:23:39,452 --> 01:23:41,133
Speaker 13: about that. I'm pleased about.

1787
01:23:40,933 --> 01:23:43,933
Speaker 2: That equally, You equally. I imagine John, you would have

1788
01:23:44,013 --> 01:23:46,173
Speaker 2: to admit that you have very little effect on it.

1789
01:23:47,213 --> 01:23:48,932
Speaker 2: You have very little control or what happens.

1790
01:23:49,053 --> 01:23:53,572
Speaker 13: Correct, I don't have any effects I wouldn't have. How Yeah,

1791
01:23:53,732 --> 01:23:55,772
Speaker 13: I mean it's going to of that'll.

1792
01:23:55,572 --> 01:23:58,612
Speaker 22: Affect me when the price of food and things like

1793
01:23:58,732 --> 01:24:01,572
Speaker 22: that goes up, But then it's affecting everybody else as well,

1794
01:24:02,013 --> 01:24:04,052
Speaker 22: and I'm probably better off than other people.

1795
01:24:04,293 --> 01:24:07,333
Speaker 13: When you talk about being content, I mean I could be.

1796
01:24:08,772 --> 01:24:11,612
Speaker 8: I'd love to have one other.

1797
01:24:11,492 --> 01:24:14,412
Speaker 13: People have, but then I know I've got more than

1798
01:24:14,572 --> 01:24:16,253
Speaker 13: what other people don't have.

1799
01:24:16,893 --> 01:24:19,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were saying before, John that you know, happiness

1800
01:24:19,492 --> 01:24:21,333
Speaker 2: is in a country, it's an individual thing. But do

1801
01:24:21,412 --> 01:24:26,412
Speaker 2: you think that you know negativity breeds negativity because I'm

1802
01:24:26,412 --> 01:24:29,133
Speaker 2: starting to feel like negativity is rewarded more than it

1803
01:24:29,293 --> 01:24:34,013
Speaker 2: used to be, because you know, it gets more engagement

1804
01:24:34,133 --> 01:24:37,092
Speaker 2: on online. So I think I think maybe the Internet

1805
01:24:37,133 --> 01:24:39,252
Speaker 2: pipes have spewed out. It sounds like the Internet pipes

1806
01:24:39,293 --> 01:24:42,452
Speaker 2: are spewing out from where you are. So, but I'm

1807
01:24:42,452 --> 01:24:43,293
Speaker 2: not sure where that sound is.

1808
01:24:43,372 --> 01:24:45,333
Speaker 3: You might have the windows down in loving life, John

1809
01:24:45,452 --> 01:24:46,612
Speaker 3: gaveling into space or something.

1810
01:24:46,772 --> 01:24:46,972
Speaker 9: John.

1811
01:24:47,253 --> 01:24:51,333
Speaker 22: I read Facebook, and I read a lot of comments

1812
01:24:51,372 --> 01:24:53,212
Speaker 22: that are very negative.

1813
01:24:53,612 --> 01:24:57,852
Speaker 13: Yes, and they attacked me personally because they don't agree

1814
01:24:57,933 --> 01:25:00,892
Speaker 13: with that. They don't agree with my comments. And then

1815
01:25:01,013 --> 01:25:03,532
Speaker 13: equally there's people look to do. But I try and

1816
01:25:03,692 --> 01:25:07,173
Speaker 13: sort of say, it's not personally you should be how

1817
01:25:07,293 --> 01:25:13,612
Speaker 13: meaning about the idea? All all the the environment or whatever,

1818
01:25:15,173 --> 01:25:21,572
Speaker 13: so taken away from being personal the personal things in life.

1819
01:25:22,652 --> 01:25:25,852
Speaker 14: Yeah, have you got a loving family?

1820
01:25:26,013 --> 01:25:29,732
Speaker 13: Have you got a nice dog or a cat? Are

1821
01:25:29,772 --> 01:25:31,692
Speaker 13: you living in their house? It's got a roof over

1822
01:25:31,732 --> 01:25:32,093
Speaker 13: your head.

1823
01:25:33,133 --> 01:25:35,972
Speaker 14: Those sorts of things will make you happy, I suppose.

1824
01:25:36,412 --> 01:25:37,452
Speaker 14: But what is happy?

1825
01:25:38,253 --> 01:25:38,452
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1826
01:25:38,572 --> 01:25:40,772
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's the thing that what is happy

1827
01:25:40,812 --> 01:25:42,612
Speaker 2: and happiness is not necessarily a thing to chase. It's

1828
01:25:42,652 --> 01:25:44,732
Speaker 2: more like tranquility.

1829
01:25:45,732 --> 01:25:46,053
Speaker 23: Looking for.

1830
01:25:47,973 --> 01:25:49,852
Speaker 2: You can't be happy all the time. You can't be

1831
01:25:49,973 --> 01:25:52,852
Speaker 2: just buzzing out, you know, chewing your face off, jumping

1832
01:25:52,933 --> 01:25:54,333
Speaker 2: up and down and happy all the time.

1833
01:25:54,452 --> 01:25:55,092
Speaker 3: That's not healthy.

1834
01:25:55,213 --> 01:25:57,372
Speaker 2: That's not a life. No, No, a life is to

1835
01:25:57,452 --> 01:26:00,452
Speaker 2: be a you know, base levels of tranquility, I think

1836
01:26:00,772 --> 01:26:03,133
Speaker 2: is what people are going for this, this text of

1837
01:26:03,173 --> 01:26:05,732
Speaker 2: Christy's resentment. If you believe someone had ruined your life,

1838
01:26:06,013 --> 01:26:06,812
Speaker 2: you're right, it's you.

1839
01:26:07,532 --> 01:26:09,772
Speaker 3: Nicely put Keep those texts coming through on nine two

1840
01:26:09,893 --> 01:26:11,852
Speaker 3: nine two. But taking your calls, Oh, eight hundred eighty

1841
01:26:12,013 --> 01:26:14,892
Speaker 3: ten eighty, how are you finding happiness with what's going

1842
01:26:14,973 --> 01:26:17,693
Speaker 3: on with the world at the moment? It is seventeen

1843
01:26:17,893 --> 01:26:21,132
Speaker 3: past three on Youth Talks, it'd be it is nineteen

1844
01:26:21,173 --> 01:26:23,812
Speaker 3: past three, and we're talking about finding happiness with all

1845
01:26:23,893 --> 01:26:25,852
Speaker 3: the things going on in the world at the moment.

1846
01:26:26,053 --> 01:26:28,452
Speaker 3: Is there a collective funk that's settled over New Zealand?

1847
01:26:28,452 --> 01:26:29,973
Speaker 3: And if there is, how do you fight through that?

1848
01:26:30,133 --> 01:26:30,213
Speaker 11: Oh?

1849
01:26:30,253 --> 01:26:32,772
Speaker 3: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1850
01:26:33,133 --> 01:26:34,972
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, what you're talking about is nothing new. Check

1851
01:26:34,973 --> 01:26:39,133
Speaker 2: out the ninth Commandment. Okay, isn't that the I'm you

1852
01:26:39,173 --> 01:26:42,973
Speaker 2: talking about the tenth comardment? Because the tenth commandment is

1853
01:26:43,253 --> 01:26:46,213
Speaker 2: you shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not

1854
01:26:46,293 --> 01:26:50,532
Speaker 2: covet your neighbor's wife, right as ox or donkey or

1855
01:26:50,532 --> 01:26:51,732
Speaker 2: anything that belongs to your neighbor.

1856
01:26:51,973 --> 01:26:52,812
Speaker 3: And that's good advice.

1857
01:26:53,253 --> 01:26:55,652
Speaker 2: I thought that was ten. Banging about this business heads yes,

1858
01:26:55,732 --> 01:26:59,093
Speaker 2: from the original ten regards Eddie, right, So I thought

1859
01:26:59,093 --> 01:27:00,293
Speaker 2: that was the tenth, but I could be wrong.

1860
01:27:00,492 --> 01:27:03,012
Speaker 3: So the ninth commandment, you shall not be a false

1861
01:27:03,133 --> 01:27:04,253
Speaker 3: witness against your neighbor.

1862
01:27:04,372 --> 01:27:06,492
Speaker 2: That's a good one, yep, don't do that against your neighbor.

1863
01:27:07,093 --> 01:27:09,933
Speaker 2: But a really good one, really good one, is you

1864
01:27:09,973 --> 01:27:12,052
Speaker 2: shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet

1865
01:27:12,053 --> 01:27:15,893
Speaker 2: your neighbor's wife, his ox or donkey or anything that

1866
01:27:15,933 --> 01:27:18,253
Speaker 2: belongs to you. Nahbit, But it's a good point, Like

1867
01:27:18,532 --> 01:27:21,732
Speaker 2: the coveting of what someone else has leads to resentment

1868
01:27:22,133 --> 01:27:24,133
Speaker 2: rather than the appreciation of what you've got.

1869
01:27:24,213 --> 01:27:25,572
Speaker 3: Comparison is the thief of joy.

1870
01:27:25,893 --> 01:27:27,732
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, love the show. I sort of take a

1871
01:27:27,812 --> 01:27:29,933
Speaker 2: different take on looking at other people's things, and I

1872
01:27:30,013 --> 01:27:31,852
Speaker 2: think maybe I should work a bit harder. So I

1873
01:27:31,893 --> 01:27:33,692
Speaker 2: guess when I see people doing better than I do,

1874
01:27:33,893 --> 01:27:35,933
Speaker 2: that aspires me to do better. Being jealous of what

1875
01:27:36,013 --> 01:27:40,213
Speaker 2: people have got it's just a dark, deep hole you

1876
01:27:40,253 --> 01:27:42,892
Speaker 2: don't want to go down nicely. Pop and any political

1877
01:27:42,973 --> 01:27:46,812
Speaker 2: party that uses resentment to get into power, you should

1878
01:27:46,812 --> 01:27:49,932
Speaker 2: be very suspicious of using those negative emotions to try

1879
01:27:49,973 --> 01:27:53,652
Speaker 2: and gain power for themselves is something that's been used

1880
01:27:54,452 --> 01:27:57,333
Speaker 2: for the longest time. But always be suspicious of people

1881
01:27:57,412 --> 01:27:59,372
Speaker 2: pointing at other people and saying that your problems is

1882
01:27:59,412 --> 01:28:01,253
Speaker 2: that those people's fault.

1883
01:28:01,412 --> 01:28:05,372
Speaker 3: Very evil strategy. Yeah, Nates, how are you this afternoon?

1884
01:28:06,412 --> 01:28:07,772
Speaker 19: Hey, I'm pretty happy today.

1885
01:28:07,812 --> 01:28:08,293
Speaker 12: How are you going?

1886
01:28:08,532 --> 01:28:09,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're pretty happy too.

1887
01:28:10,812 --> 01:28:14,253
Speaker 19: It's a beautiful day. It's pizza movie night. I just

1888
01:28:14,333 --> 01:28:16,933
Speaker 19: picked up my son from school and we're happy about that.

1889
01:28:17,053 --> 01:28:18,293
Speaker 3: Oh not, what's to go do? Pizza?

1890
01:28:19,812 --> 01:28:20,012
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1891
01:28:20,053 --> 01:28:23,293
Speaker 19: Oh, well, we make our own pizza. I've actually I've

1892
01:28:23,412 --> 01:28:25,372
Speaker 19: put the dough in the oven, so it's rising and

1893
01:28:25,532 --> 01:28:27,013
Speaker 19: it's it's exciting.

1894
01:28:27,173 --> 01:28:28,932
Speaker 3: The real deal, Nate. I like your style.

1895
01:28:29,173 --> 01:28:32,612
Speaker 2: See, that's meaning in life. Making food for your family

1896
01:28:32,732 --> 01:28:34,812
Speaker 2: and preparing food for your family and serving food your

1897
01:28:34,853 --> 01:28:37,772
Speaker 2: family is a very simple way to have meaning as

1898
01:28:37,772 --> 01:28:42,612
Speaker 2: opposed to doom scrolling through international news. But so fat

1899
01:28:42,652 --> 01:28:45,133
Speaker 2: that you've thought about that that's much more meaningful than

1900
01:28:45,253 --> 01:28:47,612
Speaker 2: ordering pizza and making the pizza.

1901
01:28:47,772 --> 01:28:51,253
Speaker 19: Nate, Well, I suppose so, but that's not really why

1902
01:28:51,293 --> 01:28:55,053
Speaker 19: I called. What I was wanting to talk about is

1903
01:28:55,253 --> 01:28:57,572
Speaker 19: like the difference between happiness and joy. And for me,

1904
01:28:58,893 --> 01:29:01,173
Speaker 19: I can be happy at times like today it's great,

1905
01:29:01,372 --> 01:29:04,213
Speaker 19: good day, But earlier this morning, I was driving here

1906
01:29:04,412 --> 01:29:07,412
Speaker 19: and I was driving from Kumu all the way down

1907
01:29:07,452 --> 01:29:10,852
Speaker 19: to Takapuna, and you know, there's always traffic, and I

1908
01:29:10,933 --> 01:29:13,173
Speaker 19: can be known to wingj a bit about that I'm

1909
01:29:13,213 --> 01:29:18,012
Speaker 19: a Christian. Sometimes I'm happy, sometimes I'm sad. Sometimes I winge.

1910
01:29:18,173 --> 01:29:22,093
Speaker 19: Sometimes I'm grateful for things. But the thing is like

1911
01:29:22,213 --> 01:29:26,692
Speaker 19: there's this I think that with that Harvard study, the

1912
01:29:26,772 --> 01:29:29,253
Speaker 19: thing that they're probably pointing to with what they say

1913
01:29:29,333 --> 01:29:32,093
Speaker 19: that Christians tend to be more happy, or they had

1914
01:29:32,173 --> 01:29:33,772
Speaker 19: tried to hide that from the study. I think you

1915
01:29:33,853 --> 01:29:39,452
Speaker 19: said Christians tend to be more joyful, because for me,

1916
01:29:41,973 --> 01:29:46,253
Speaker 19: even in my worst days, like when I'm really struggling

1917
01:29:46,293 --> 01:29:50,812
Speaker 19: and I can even like feel depressed at times, there's

1918
01:29:50,893 --> 01:29:53,772
Speaker 19: this like firm foundation and it's kind of like me

1919
01:29:54,013 --> 01:29:57,892
Speaker 19: knowing Jesus means I know who I am. I understand

1920
01:29:57,933 --> 01:30:00,852
Speaker 19: who I am and that kind of makes all the difference.

1921
01:30:00,893 --> 01:30:03,213
Speaker 19: And I know that I'm forgiven. I have like an

1922
01:30:03,253 --> 01:30:06,892
Speaker 19: eternal perspective on my best days and I can get through.

1923
01:30:07,013 --> 01:30:10,532
Speaker 19: And so it's more of like a joy that never

1924
01:30:10,772 --> 01:30:14,333
Speaker 19: changes in my life because of my faith.

1925
01:30:15,293 --> 01:30:18,372
Speaker 2: So joy being a thing because when most of us

1926
01:30:18,452 --> 01:30:20,652
Speaker 2: think of joy, we just think, hey, woo woo. So

1927
01:30:20,732 --> 01:30:23,572
Speaker 2: you're saying joy is sort of a deep, meaningful feeling

1928
01:30:23,692 --> 01:30:26,852
Speaker 2: of where you sit in reality night.

1929
01:30:27,333 --> 01:30:31,133
Speaker 19: Yeah, and it stays whether you're happy or said it's

1930
01:30:31,293 --> 01:30:33,532
Speaker 19: it's just they're kind of in the background, like it

1931
01:30:34,692 --> 01:30:38,412
Speaker 19: it gives me purpose, my faith does. It gives me meaning,

1932
01:30:39,933 --> 01:30:44,133
Speaker 19: and it's it's like, here's the thing. If Jesus really

1933
01:30:44,253 --> 01:30:47,133
Speaker 19: is who he said he is, it's all gonna be okay.

1934
01:30:47,492 --> 01:30:49,852
Speaker 19: And that's and that's what I believe. I couldn't be

1935
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Speaker 19: convinced that Jesus did not raise from the dead and

1936
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Speaker 19: that he's not going to come back and make everything better.

1937
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Speaker 19: So that that's what just sort of gives me joy

1938
01:30:59,492 --> 01:31:03,333
Speaker 19: and gives me peace even when things like the war

1939
01:31:03,412 --> 01:31:05,852
Speaker 19: in the Middle East is happening and there's all this

1940
01:31:06,013 --> 01:31:09,612
Speaker 19: kind of turmoil, turmoil all around me. It helps me

1941
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Speaker 19: to know that Jesus has taken care of it and

1942
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Speaker 19: will take care of it and it's going to be okay.

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Speaker 19: And so I think that's probably behind the study that

1944
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Speaker 19: you were talking about.

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Speaker 3: What about the community, Natal, I assume the community is

1946
01:31:24,452 --> 01:31:27,812
Speaker 3: probably a part of that, the happiness and enjoy that

1947
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Speaker 3: many people of oh sorts of different religions experience that

1948
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Speaker 3: when it comes to you go into church on a

1949
01:31:33,973 --> 01:31:36,813
Speaker 3: Sunday and the people that you associate with, your community

1950
01:31:36,973 --> 01:31:39,853
Speaker 3: arguably is bigger than the average Kiwi.

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Speaker 19: I would think.

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Speaker 20: So.

1953
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Speaker 19: I think Kiwis who aren't Christians would find community in

1954
01:31:46,572 --> 01:31:48,732
Speaker 19: things like sports clubs and going to the pub and

1955
01:31:48,893 --> 01:31:52,093
Speaker 19: you know, supporting teams and all that. But for the

1956
01:31:52,173 --> 01:31:55,492
Speaker 19: Christian community, there's something I was just talking about this

1957
01:31:55,612 --> 01:31:58,333
Speaker 19: with someone the other day, there's like a deeper connection,

1958
01:31:58,812 --> 01:32:01,293
Speaker 19: Like it's a deeper level. Not to say that people

1959
01:32:01,333 --> 01:32:06,412
Speaker 19: who aren't Christians aren't deep and meaningful people, but because

1960
01:32:06,452 --> 01:32:11,293
Speaker 19: we're connected by so much, a firm foundation and an

1961
01:32:11,452 --> 01:32:18,293
Speaker 19: overarching story that is what we believe is the truth.

1962
01:32:19,053 --> 01:32:23,652
Speaker 19: We are connected with a bond that it makes a difference,

1963
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Speaker 19: and we love like Christians are supposed to be known

1964
01:32:26,293 --> 01:32:30,372
Speaker 19: by their love. We're not always loving and we don't

1965
01:32:30,412 --> 01:32:33,532
Speaker 19: always get it right, but we know the one who

1966
01:32:34,013 --> 01:32:36,133
Speaker 19: does get it right and made it right for all

1967
01:32:36,173 --> 01:32:41,012
Speaker 19: of us, and so that that actually actually changes things

1968
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Speaker 19: deep in your soul. That's where the joy comes from.

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Speaker 2: Do you think do you think the Lord's prayer is

1970
01:32:45,973 --> 01:32:49,333
Speaker 2: helpful as well? And you know with you know, forgive

1971
01:32:49,412 --> 01:32:52,812
Speaker 2: us their trespasses, as we forgive those that trespass against us.

1972
01:32:52,893 --> 01:32:57,772
Speaker 2: So reminding yourself that you know you need to forgive people,

1973
01:32:58,333 --> 01:32:59,892
Speaker 2: do you think that's because that's kind of what we're

1974
01:32:59,893 --> 01:33:04,133
Speaker 2: talking about, gratitude and lack of resentment, And you know,

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01:33:04,652 --> 01:33:07,053
Speaker 2: does the joy coming in that regard that you were

1976
01:33:07,253 --> 01:33:10,092
Speaker 2: that you are reminding you south to forgive people.

1977
01:33:11,333 --> 01:33:14,812
Speaker 19: Yeah, And it's and forgiveness is it's a process and

1978
01:33:14,933 --> 01:33:18,812
Speaker 19: sometimes it takes us a bit of time to truly forgive.

1979
01:33:19,093 --> 01:33:23,053
Speaker 19: I've worked through forgiveness in my past with people that

1980
01:33:23,572 --> 01:33:26,692
Speaker 19: really hurt me. But it does make a difference for

1981
01:33:26,853 --> 01:33:31,532
Speaker 19: me when I realize, Hey, I've been forgiven, So who

1982
01:33:31,612 --> 01:33:36,892
Speaker 19: am I to hold resentment and an unforgiveness for someone else?

1983
01:33:37,532 --> 01:33:38,532
Speaker 2: Thank you for your call, Nate.

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01:33:38,853 --> 01:33:41,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, the joy, the joy, the joy very deep. Appreciate

1985
01:33:41,532 --> 01:33:43,253
Speaker 3: your call. And what do you say, Oh, one hundred

1986
01:33:43,253 --> 01:33:45,173
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is that number of call? Nine

1987
01:33:45,253 --> 01:33:47,852
Speaker 3: ten ninety two is the text? It is twenty seven

1988
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Speaker 3: past three. Back of the boat.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons call Oh eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on used Talk SIB.

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Speaker 3: Twenty nine past three. There's been some great texts coming

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Speaker 3: through about finding happiness or how do you stay happy?

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Speaker 3: And what can be seen as crazy times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, everyone's worrying, worrying, worrying. Life is twenty

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Speaker 2: percent of what happens to you, eighty percent of how

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Speaker 2: you reacts. As this text this Texas says, Hi, guys,

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Speaker 2: love your show. We moved a young family to live

1998
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Speaker 2: in Vanuatu a few years ago, tropical eide in life

1999
01:34:21,093 --> 01:34:23,293
Speaker 2: you would think idyllic, but one of our kids was

2000
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Speaker 2: very unhappy to be there. And this is when we

2001
01:34:25,692 --> 01:34:27,972
Speaker 2: discovered the phrase the family is only as happy as

2002
01:34:28,013 --> 01:34:31,572
Speaker 2: the saddest child. Well, if you were surrounded by unhappy people,

2003
01:34:31,652 --> 01:34:33,532
Speaker 2: it does rub off on you. Create a community of

2004
01:34:33,572 --> 01:34:37,133
Speaker 2: happy people wherever possible. Not always easy with families, of course,

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Speaker 2: cheers Liz.

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Speaker 3: A great text.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think what we're doing in New Zealand

2008
01:34:41,933 --> 01:34:47,092
Speaker 2: is we're creating a society of rewarding, winging people.

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Speaker 3: Seems to be high Matt and Tyler.

2010
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Speaker 2: The average life on earth is only six hundred and

2011
01:34:51,492 --> 01:34:54,173
Speaker 2: fifty thousand hours, so there isn't a minute to waste

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Speaker 2: being unhappy.

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Speaker 3: Cheers Brian, that's good fronting six hundred and fifty thousand hours. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Chief is of chewed through a few of those already.

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Speaker 2: This is an amazing book by Oliver Berkman called four

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Speaker 2: thousand Weeks. And that's if you live to eighty. That's

2017
01:35:12,893 --> 01:35:16,372
Speaker 2: how many weeks you get cheap. It's confronting strange talk

2018
01:35:16,452 --> 01:35:19,293
Speaker 2: and strained town times. Is Rob be happy no matter what,

2019
01:35:19,492 --> 01:35:22,173
Speaker 2: because sometimes the world turns upside down in a blink.

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01:35:22,492 --> 01:35:24,852
Speaker 2: If their Ryan oil supply gets knocked out, the cost

2021
01:35:24,893 --> 01:35:26,812
Speaker 2: of living here in New Zealand could skyrocket. And when

2022
01:35:26,853 --> 01:35:30,053
Speaker 2: that happens, add budgets dry up fast and talk back

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01:35:30,173 --> 01:35:32,173
Speaker 2: radio hosts like you will be out of a job.

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01:35:32,253 --> 01:35:35,573
Speaker 2: So stay cheerful. The show may close down soon. OnlyFans

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Speaker 2: has become the biggest revenue machine in the US. Strange times,

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01:35:38,412 --> 01:35:39,532
Speaker 2: my friends, very strange times.

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Speaker 3: Some good advice there, thank you, Rob, So only fans potential?

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Speaker 9: All right?

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01:35:44,053 --> 01:35:46,333
Speaker 2: Well, who's to say that Tyler and I aren't running

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01:35:46,492 --> 01:35:48,932
Speaker 2: only Fans on the side as it is feet Rob

2031
01:35:49,093 --> 01:35:53,572
Speaker 2: as a side hustle the stick says, sorry, I think

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01:35:53,612 --> 01:35:55,652
Speaker 2: you are on the wrong track about giving away everything

2033
01:35:56,013 --> 01:35:58,253
Speaker 2: you own to go back. I'm in my late sixties,

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01:35:58,293 --> 01:36:01,093
Speaker 2: still working hard to keep my life home. I have

2035
01:36:01,213 --> 01:36:03,652
Speaker 2: no interest in going back in life. I'm happy to

2036
01:36:03,772 --> 01:36:05,772
Speaker 2: be where I am. I'm grateful that I grew up

2037
01:36:05,812 --> 01:36:10,092
Speaker 2: and raised a family in self resilient, nothing to complain about, Bloody,

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01:36:10,173 --> 01:36:14,213
Speaker 2: good on you. Great to hear, fantastic, so many fantastics

2039
01:36:14,492 --> 01:36:16,452
Speaker 2: texts coming through. We could talk about this for hours

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01:36:16,452 --> 01:36:20,212
Speaker 2: and hours. Yes, we'd probably lose our job immediately.

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Speaker 3: That was a great chat though, Thank you very much.

2042
01:36:22,412 --> 01:36:24,532
Speaker 3: A nice boost for a Friday, and good to see

2043
01:36:24,612 --> 01:36:27,213
Speaker 3: so many Kiwis out there that are trying to find

2044
01:36:27,253 --> 01:36:30,492
Speaker 3: happiness when everything around them is a bit wingy and negative.

2045
01:36:30,532 --> 01:36:32,772
Speaker 3: So thank you very much everyone who called and text.

2046
01:36:32,853 --> 01:36:34,932
Speaker 3: But stand by Barrious.

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01:36:35,053 --> 01:36:37,452
Speaker 2: His knowledge is knowing a tomatoes a fruit. Wisdom is

2048
01:36:37,532 --> 01:36:39,492
Speaker 2: knowing not to put it in a fruit seal it Cheersberry.

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01:36:40,293 --> 01:36:41,412
Speaker 2: I think there's a meaning there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely right. Coming up next, we get the headlines

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Speaker 3: with Ray leg then New Zealander of the Week News

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Speaker 3: Talk said be headlines with.

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Speaker 15: Your Ride, New Zealand's number one taxi app Download your

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Speaker 15: Ride Today. Service industries are likely to take a knock

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Speaker 15: as petrol prices continue to climb. Jim's group has three

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Speaker 15: hundred and seventy eight franchisees in New Zealand, mostly in mowing,

2057
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Speaker 15: cleaning and dog wash. Its CEO says they all need petrol.

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Speaker 15: Wellington Mayors Wellington. The Wellington Mayor is allowing Wellington Water

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Speaker 15: to access about nine million dollars to fix up more

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01:37:20,333 --> 01:37:23,932
Speaker 15: Point following a critical failure that allowed sewage to spew

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Speaker 15: into the sea. Meanwhile, Auckland's Water Care has finished paying

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01:37:28,173 --> 01:37:31,612
Speaker 15: out two point seventy five million dollars to oyster farmers

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01:37:31,973 --> 01:37:35,812
Speaker 15: impacted by a sewage spell in the Mahudangi River. Far

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Speaker 15: North Queensland is bracing itself as a severe tropical cyclone.

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Speaker 15: Its Land cyclone Arral has been downgraded to a category

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Speaker 15: three but is still expected to cause significant damage. Concern

2067
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Speaker 15: Student incomes aren't keeping up with the cost of living,

2068
01:37:51,973 --> 01:37:55,253
Speaker 15: as new data reveals an increase in demand across university

2069
01:37:55,372 --> 01:37:58,732
Speaker 15: food banks. The report shows around one hundred food bags

2070
01:37:58,772 --> 01:38:03,133
Speaker 15: were provided at aut in twenty twenty, rising to over

2071
01:38:03,293 --> 01:38:08,133
Speaker 15: eighteen hundred last year. The five types of hassler's in

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01:38:08,412 --> 01:38:09,572
Speaker 15: your life and how.

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Speaker 3: To deal with them.

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Speaker 15: You can see more at inzi here All Premium A

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Speaker 15: back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams, The.

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Speaker 1: Matteath and Tyler Adams Afternoons New Zealander of the Week.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, it's that time once again to celebrate

2078
01:38:24,732 --> 01:38:28,612
Speaker 2: some kick ass kiwe's. That's right, it's the Manheath and

2079
01:38:28,772 --> 01:38:33,572
Speaker 2: Tyler Adams Afternoons New Zealander of the Week. As always,

2080
01:38:34,093 --> 01:38:38,053
Speaker 2: three shallf be honored, So without further fing around, Oh,

2081
01:38:38,133 --> 01:38:43,213
Speaker 2: let's get stuck in. You'll find these guys from April

2082
01:38:43,333 --> 01:38:47,093
Speaker 2: to July in our woodchips, bark gardens, forest leaf litter,

2083
01:38:47,333 --> 01:38:51,812
Speaker 2: pine plantations, native bush and hidden in pastures and animal

2084
01:38:52,532 --> 01:38:56,612
Speaker 2: and now in clinical therapy sessions fighting treatment resistant depression.

2085
01:38:57,253 --> 01:39:00,253
Speaker 2: Study after study shows when done right with the right

2086
01:39:00,333 --> 01:39:03,412
Speaker 2: people in the right conditions, these natural little kiwi battlers

2087
01:39:03,732 --> 01:39:07,293
Speaker 2: can be an a class reset for chronically down kiwee's

2088
01:39:07,812 --> 01:39:11,213
Speaker 2: and leading the fungi foraging charge. Is PhD researcher at

2089
01:39:11,253 --> 01:39:14,692
Speaker 2: the University of Auckland School of Pharmacy, Samuel Lasham. Getting

2090
01:39:14,732 --> 01:39:17,452
Speaker 2: silly with psilocybin might just save you that's why our

2091
01:39:17,572 --> 01:39:21,492
Speaker 2: malays mashing magic mushrooms are a New Zealander of the Wei.

2092
01:39:23,133 --> 01:39:25,053
Speaker 2: Of course, for some reason, it's highly illegal to do

2093
01:39:25,133 --> 01:39:26,692
Speaker 2: it on your own right now, but some are allowed

2094
01:39:26,732 --> 01:39:29,972
Speaker 2: to help, so talk to a mental health professional. Fifteen

2095
01:39:30,053 --> 01:39:33,253
Speaker 2: thousand kiwis a year. Get divorced. It can be heartbreaking

2096
01:39:33,532 --> 01:39:37,293
Speaker 2: and as we've seen this week, humiliatingly political and public.

2097
01:39:37,692 --> 01:39:41,213
Speaker 2: But sometimes marriages can be heartwarming and only go public

2098
01:39:41,253 --> 01:39:43,852
Speaker 2: when they go platinum. Take these two hot lovers from

2099
01:39:43,893 --> 01:39:46,772
Speaker 2: Hawk's Bay who met as teenagers and are still together

2100
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Speaker 2: in their nineties. They had kids, grandkids, great grandkids and

2101
01:39:49,973 --> 01:39:55,013
Speaker 2: seventy powerful years together. No social media, no press conferences,

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01:39:55,293 --> 01:39:57,772
Speaker 2: just a few simple rules. Don't go to bed without

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01:39:57,772 --> 01:40:02,053
Speaker 2: a kiss, always help each other out, and sometimes keep

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01:40:02,133 --> 01:40:05,893
Speaker 2: your mouth shut. And a world where relationships have become disposable,

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01:40:06,013 --> 01:40:10,133
Speaker 2: they've done the opposite and lived happily for after. Congratulations

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01:40:10,173 --> 01:40:13,652
Speaker 2: on your seventieth wedding anniversary, Louise and Larry Laurn. Enjoy

2107
01:40:13,772 --> 01:40:16,133
Speaker 2: your letter from the King. You are a couple of

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01:40:16,333 --> 01:40:21,652
Speaker 2: great lovers and a couple of great New Zealanders. And

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Speaker 2: speaking of great New Zealanders, our police force deal with

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01:40:24,973 --> 01:40:27,333
Speaker 2: the really horrible stuff, so we don't have to. We

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Speaker 2: would be screwed without them, or they get screwed up

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Speaker 2: doing what they do. For one man is doing something

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01:40:32,973 --> 01:40:37,653
Speaker 2: about that. He's writing one hundred kilometers from Wellington to Caperbianga,

2114
01:40:37,893 --> 01:40:40,572
Speaker 2: not for fitness, not for fun, but for New Zealand's

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Speaker 2: finest and their families dealing with PTSD and trauma. He's

2116
01:40:43,853 --> 01:40:46,253
Speaker 2: putting his ass on a seat for those who put

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Speaker 2: their ass on the line, highlighting the fact that this

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01:40:49,053 --> 01:40:52,173
Speaker 2: doesn't end when the shift does, town by town, conversation

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Speaker 2: by conversation, refusing to let the suffering of those that

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Speaker 2: serve stay silent. Alistair Rode, founder of the Blue Hope Foundations.

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Speaker 24: You are a Man, Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, New

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Speaker 24: Zealander of the Week taken Away Joe EsPAS, Matt and

2123
01:41:35,452 --> 01:41:40,053
Speaker 24: Tyler fantastic winner again this week and a special treat

2124
01:41:40,173 --> 01:41:40,652
Speaker 24: coming next.

2125
01:41:40,732 --> 01:41:43,053
Speaker 3: We are going to chat to the new Zealander of

2126
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Speaker 3: the Week, Alistair Rose. That is coming up. It is

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Speaker 3: twenty to four, The Issues that.

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Speaker 1: Affect You and a bit of fun along the way.

2129
01:41:52,213 --> 01:41:56,333
Speaker 1: Matt and Tyler Afternoons with Skoda plays Scoter Codes every

2130
01:41:56,412 --> 01:41:59,253
Speaker 1: day at Skoda dot Co dot and said news Talk

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Speaker 1: sai'd be.

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Speaker 3: It is eighteen two four, Sir Alistair Rose. He's a

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01:42:03,652 --> 01:42:07,293
Speaker 3: former police officer and recipient of the New Zealand Bravery Star.

2134
01:42:07,452 --> 01:42:09,612
Speaker 3: He's also the founder of the Blue Hope Foundation and

2135
01:42:09,853 --> 01:42:12,932
Speaker 3: is gearing up for a oney one hundred kilometer journey

2136
01:42:12,933 --> 01:42:15,253
Speaker 3: from Wellington to Cape Riang and no one is the

2137
01:42:15,333 --> 01:42:18,172
Speaker 3: Hope right. The challenge is about far more than just distance.

2138
01:42:18,213 --> 01:42:22,093
Speaker 3: It aims to highlight the often unseen impact of PTSD

2139
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Speaker 3: and trauma within New Zealand's police force. He was our

2140
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Speaker 3: New Zealander of the Week and he joins us on

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Speaker 3: the phone right now. Alistair, A very very good afternoon

2142
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Speaker 3: to you. Thank you very much for your time. Oh

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Speaker 3: we've got you there.

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Speaker 9: How are you.

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Speaker 2: Starting to bring you up there for a second? Sorry, Alistair, Hey,

2146
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Speaker 2: so welcome to the show and tell us about Blue

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Speaker 2: Hope and the mental toll of police work.

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Speaker 4: So I've got his personal experience of the mental toll

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Speaker 4: of police work. So I've got the New Zealand Brewery Star.

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Speaker 4: After a horrific shooting in two thousand and seven, and

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Speaker 4: after that shooting, I had a very slow decline in

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Speaker 4: my mental health, which resulted in me leaving the police

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Speaker 4: going managing to find my way through the ACC system.

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Speaker 4: And I had some idea about because I understood the

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Speaker 4: ACC law and the workplace law, that I was on

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Speaker 4: the right track of of sorting myself out under ACC.

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Speaker 4: And a lot of people slag off ACC in New Zealand,

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Speaker 4: and I'm not saying it's an easy organizational to work with,

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Speaker 4: But what I am saying is that ACC helped me

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Speaker 4: an awful lot and it continues to help a lot

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Speaker 4: of the clients that we that we look after. So

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Speaker 4: PTSD is a workplace injury and it's recognized by ACC.

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Speaker 4: Two thousand and eight, ACC started recognizing PTSD and it's

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Speaker 4: a it's a slow process, but it's a long term

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Speaker 4: illness PTSD. So I was lucky enough to go to

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Speaker 4: find my way through because I had some knowledge of

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Speaker 4: the law that was behind it, and not everyone has

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Speaker 4: that ability. And the guys that we look after now

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Speaker 4: they're struggling, They're really really struggling. They don't know how

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Speaker 4: to do how to approach ACC. In twenty three we

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Speaker 4: had three suicides in a month of serving police officers.

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Speaker 4: And you don't hear this talked about a lot in

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Speaker 4: circles of New Zealand. It's not well publicized. I started

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Speaker 4: the charity after our suicide and a close friend of

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Speaker 4: mine in twenty nineteen, and over a few beers at

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Speaker 4: his funeral, we decided to start Blue Hope Foundation ourselves

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Speaker 4: another now retired cops. So after the twenty twenty three

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Speaker 4: in having three cops in New Zealand at a month

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Speaker 4: suicide serving cops as well, we changed our course. Originally

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Speaker 4: we used to deal directly with upper echelons at a

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Speaker 4: governments level, using health and safety law and that sort

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Speaker 4: of thing. But we worked out that actually our main

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Speaker 4: customers are our police families and the community. The ones

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Speaker 4: are who are affected by us not having enough police

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Speaker 4: because they are mentally injured. And so we've changed our

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Speaker 4: focus to police families.

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Speaker 1: And we know.

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Speaker 4: After the twenty twenty three incidents that police families were

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Speaker 4: looking to reach out and understand how they can get help.

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Speaker 4: They didn't know where to go. That when we spoke

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Speaker 4: to the families, they didn't know where to go. I

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Speaker 4: didn't know who to approach, didn't know what their rights

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Speaker 4: were with a workplace injury. And so we've stepped into

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Speaker 4: that board now and so the Hope Ride is around

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Speaker 4: writing through communities, small communities in New Zealand and talking

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Speaker 4: to talking to families of police officers. The thing is

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Speaker 4: in New Zealand, most people know a police officer.

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Speaker 9: They know.

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Speaker 4: A friend who's a police officer, the next door neighbor,

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Speaker 4: it might be a police officer's been talking to people today.

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Speaker 4: I'm at the Central District's Field Days in Fielding. We've

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Speaker 4: got a small stand here that was donated to us,

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Speaker 4: and so we stopped in here with the Hope Ride

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Speaker 4: and we've been talking to the community here and everyone

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Speaker 4: I've speak of spoken to says I know a cop,

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Speaker 4: my brother's a cop, or my son's a cop, or

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Speaker 4: everyone in New Zealand knows a cop. And those are

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Speaker 4: the people that we're trying to reach. We want to

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Speaker 4: talk to them. We want to say, look, there's a problem,

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Speaker 4: but there's also a solution. We don't just want to

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Speaker 4: talk about the problem. We want to talk about the solution.

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Speaker 4: And we're so lucky in New Zealand that we have

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Speaker 4: acc If you were a cop or an emergency services

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Speaker 4: worker overseas and you developed PTSD, you be on your own.

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Speaker 2: What is the solution alistair to a cop that's that's

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Speaker 2: suffering from PTSD.

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Speaker 4: The solution is, and this is all from learned experience.

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Speaker 4: This is what I had to do. Was you get

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Speaker 4: into the ACC system and by and the easiest way

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Speaker 4: to do that is to go and see your GP

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Speaker 4: and say, I think I've got PTSD. I heard a

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Speaker 4: guy on the radio talking about the symptoms of PTSD,

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Speaker 4: which is like boozing too much, shouting, as the kids

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Speaker 4: not able to sleep, by for vigilance. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: of different symptoms, and you know, that's what happened to me.

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Speaker 4: I heard a guy on the radio talking. He was

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Speaker 4: a soldier that had just come back from Afghanistan, and

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Speaker 4: he was talking about his PTSD and how he dealt

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Speaker 4: with it and how he got into the ACC system.

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Speaker 4: So I did exactly what he said, and I went

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Speaker 4: to my GP and said, I heard a guy on

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Speaker 4: the radio talking about PTSD, and I think I've got

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Speaker 4: I think I've got PTSD. From my service and the police,

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Speaker 4: I'm not well. I know I'm not well. I had

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Speaker 4: to leave police because I wasn't well. And there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of a lot of trauma that that's displayed in

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Speaker 4: different ways. I mean I was behaving in a very

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Speaker 4: unusual way. My sense of humor was it was very

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Speaker 4: very dark, and I was quick to anger and people

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Speaker 4: were distancing distancing themselves from me in the police because

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Speaker 4: I was a risk and I knew that I wasn't

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Speaker 4: performing in the way that I had had done previously

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Speaker 4: and that I was I was good to the organization anymore.

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Speaker 3: So I had to leave a hell of a thing

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Speaker 3: for you as a police officer and other police officers

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Speaker 3: to deal with. And you're doing fantastic work. We're coming

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Speaker 3: up to the news Alista, but really want to have

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Speaker 3: a chat about the bike ride that you're doing. Give

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Speaker 3: us the details. Where are you right at the moment.

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Speaker 4: So I left Willington on Monday at nine am. We

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Speaker 4: had a wave off at Parliament. A lot of supporters

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Speaker 4: and families were there, which is our core audience. Went

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Speaker 4: up to Otaki, then across to Parmast North and now

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Speaker 4: I'm in fielding at the Field days. I'm here for

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Speaker 4: three days. We've been given a stand and we're talking

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Speaker 4: to people here and it's been fantastic. We've had some donations,

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Speaker 4: but we've got the message out and then next I'm

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Speaker 4: heading upstate Highway one. I'll be stopping at smaller towns

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Speaker 4: cities all the way up state Iowa wan So probably

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Speaker 4: on Sunday, I land in Martin and then then up

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Speaker 4: to hunter All and then up to Manga Weeca and

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Speaker 4: then Taie Happy to Rangie Talpo, just up the guts

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Speaker 4: of the island, stopping and yacking with people. I'm not

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Speaker 4: trying to break any land speed records here because I'm

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Speaker 4: a bit of a chatter. I like to talk about

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Speaker 4: the subject. We're a group of you know, we're a

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Speaker 4: group of ex cops who are worried about our colleagues.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank yous so much, Elsa And this textas came

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Speaker 2: through Alistair from one PTSD suffering police family to another. Kirkaha,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your work.

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Speaker 3: Yep, and if you want to support go to Blue

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Speaker 3: Hope dot co dot nz. Alistair, thank you very much

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Speaker 3: for doing amazing work and we'll catch up with you

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Speaker 3: maybe in a couple of weeks and see how you're

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Speaker 3: going it.

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Speaker 1: There is eight minutes to four, the big stories, the

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Speaker 1: big issues, the big trends, and everything in between. Matt

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Speaker 1: Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks B.

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Speaker 3: News Talks B. It is six two four.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you so much everyone for listening. That brings

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Speaker 2: us near the show water Show. It's been the great

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Speaker 2: and powerful Heather Duple to see Allan is Utnicks. But Tyler,

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Speaker 2: my good friend. Why am I playing the song here?

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Speaker 3: I have no idea. I'm ashamed to admit maybe't I've

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Speaker 3: never heard the song before.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's because my friend and the excellent Kiwi musician

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Speaker 2: Gina Malcolm also known as Leanne Malcolm for news fans.

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Speaker 3: Yes, as playing in christ Church tonight.

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Speaker 2: It's Space Academy with their band Hollow Souls, and this

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Speaker 2: is a song of her new album First Radio.

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Speaker 3: She is great, Gina, We had her on the show

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Speaker 3: fantastic all of I am Malcolm of course, but.

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Speaker 2: An amazing singer. And the band is so good, some

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Speaker 2: really kick ass musicians that are flowing in. So if

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Speaker 2: you're a christ Church and you like old country and

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Speaker 2: you want to hear a great old country band, get

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Speaker 2: along to Space Academy tonight. The song is called Traps.

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Speaker 2: It's about what we were talking about in the last How.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Happiness nicely said listen Yeah Life, no great voice.

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Speaker 1: You love real.

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Speaker 5: Life, old life.

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Speaker 3: Time to exchange you.

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Speaker 23: Chaps, Comma always checked

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Mad, Mad, Maddie and Tyler Read for more

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