1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,720 Speaker 1: On the Huddle of Us this evening we have Morris 2 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Williams and Auckland councilor, former National Party minister, and Phil Goff, 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: former Labor Party minister, Auckland mayor and ambassador. Hello you too, 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 1: all right, Morris? What do you think's gone wrong for 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Luxan on a run? 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: Look, I think Luxin's always had a problem and I'm 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: going to be a little bit different to my normal 8 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 2: criticism of him tonight. I think his staff need to 9 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: be hauled over the coals. You can't have a prime 10 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: minister who's as busy as he is and he's running cabinet, 11 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: he's doing papers, when he goes out to do his 12 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: press conference, isn't well briefed on what he's likely to face, 13 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: how he's going to answer that, and be really well 14 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: prepared for them. And I'd also start very much limiting 15 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: the number of questions I do as a postcounter. You 16 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: don't need to do that many. He just looks dreadful 17 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: from time to time because it's a word salad answer 18 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: that doesn't say anything gets him into trouble and the 19 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: next day all the humor has been laughing about how 20 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: pollingly he was at handling questions. 21 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: Yes, Phil, it seems to me his problem here is 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: he didn't want to take a position. 23 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Look, it was an appalling performance. Think everybody 24 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 3: agrees to that. Was he well briefed. I think he 25 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 3: would have been briefed. I think he just didn't want 26 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: to say what the truth was, and the truth was 27 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 3: the briefing from Foreign Affairs would have said, this attack 28 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 3: is not legal under international law and its contrary to 29 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 3: the United Nations Charter that New Zealand helped draft and 30 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 3: signed up to. They probably also would have told him 31 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 3: that Trump's claim that the US was responding to an 32 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 3: imminent threat was false and we all know that because 33 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: that's what the American intelligence and the Pentagon are saying 34 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,279 Speaker 3: right now. So you know, he didn't want to criticize Trump, 35 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 3: so he tried to fudget and he looked awful. 36 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: Well, the only problem with that fell is that was 37 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: a briefing hered of got from Nfair, I have no 38 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: doubt about it. But he has his own staff that 39 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: a political advice is about what he can and can't 40 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: do and what say, and he needs to get that 41 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: strapped down very clearly and give a good answer, even 42 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: if it's something people don't like or disagree with. But 43 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: I think it was Margaret Thatcher that said the best 44 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: way in politics to ever be unpopular is to try 45 00:01:59,120 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: to please everyone. 46 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: Exactly right. But Morris, do we actually want to take 47 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: a position here as a country? 48 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: Well, I would have thought my line would be like this. 49 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: If there were some evil gangs sended somewhere in the 50 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: city and they were just killing people and selling the 51 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 2: worst drugs and so on, we would expect to have 52 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: a police force go in and arrest them, and they 53 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 2: would be put through the legal system so could act legally. 54 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: But if the police didn't do anything, and the courts 55 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: wouldn't do anything, and they just got that to keep 56 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: doing it, you'd then say, well, we have to somehow 57 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: find a way of breaking into it. Now, Iran has 58 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: been saying we want death to America, we want death 59 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: to Israel. They funded the Hooties and the his Bolla 60 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: and all sorts of other stuff. How long do you 61 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: keep that running? And the United Nations sits toothless not 62 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: doing anything about it. 63 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: Right, So your position would be, Morris, that you support 64 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: the Strokes. Yes, I do, okay, I Phil Would you 65 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: take that? 66 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: Ysines? 67 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 2: No? 68 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't. They don't for a couple 69 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 3: of reasons. One, you have the rule of international law. 70 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 3: We're a small country. We rely on that. If you 71 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 3: give power to the powerful to do whatever they like, 72 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: including in Trump's case, he wants to take over control 73 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: of Greenland, then you don't have the rule of law. 74 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: So you can't be selective. You can't say we're against 75 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 3: Putin because he broached he breached international law in the Charter, 76 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 3: but we're in favor of America when they did it. 77 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: You've got to be consistent. Secondly, don't forget what happened 78 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: in two thousand and three when the United States invaded Iraq. 79 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: It was about regime change, and Bush said it was 80 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 3: going to be a wonderful democracy. Well, one hundred thousand 81 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: people died, chaos ensued, and the country was, if you 82 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: can believe it, almost as bad off as it was 83 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: under Saddam Hussein. You can't have a program for regime 84 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: change if you don't have a plan of how to 85 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: do it, and you don't do it by bombing indiscriminately 86 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: from the air. 87 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: I need to answer that. I'm a big fan of 88 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: the rule of law and doing things legally. The trouble is. 89 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: As I said before, there was some gang in South 90 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: Auckland that no one was touching. The police wouldn't touch them, 91 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: no one would have and they were king havoc. So 92 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: Israel's out there sowing the seeds of Sorry Irans. I'm 93 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: getting to be a luxeom. Iran's out there doing some 94 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: of the worst disgusting stuff in the world. People are 95 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: dying left, right and cent are including in their own country. 96 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: How long before you say, well, the rule of law's 97 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: not working here, it's not worth Yeah, we'll hang on 98 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: if you talk about behaving disgustingly. The killing of seventy 99 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: five thousand people in the Gaza, a third of them. 100 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: Kids, just kids, and most of them are civilians. That 101 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: was pretty disgusting too, And you know that was And 102 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: this is the guy that's now the guy that's armed 103 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: with nuclear weapons net and Yahoo attacking Iran because he 104 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: thinks they might want nuclear weapons. 105 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: It's calling it's not a good guy here, Phil, I mean. 106 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: No, they're not. 107 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: They're awful back consistently for thirty years. 108 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: I have got a question, Phil, I have got a 109 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: question for you on your position, But I just got 110 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: to take a quick break, and I'm going to come 111 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: back to it right, you're back with a heartle got 112 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: Phil Goff and Morris Williamson. Phil, My question to you 113 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: is it's totally fine to oppose the air strikes. If 114 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: you do, if your luxe and and you come out 115 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: and condone them, do you not run the risk of 116 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: being the country that annoys the most volatile American president 117 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: in living history. And that's a danger for New Zealand, 118 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: isn't it. 119 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, he's volatile, he's unpredictable, he's vindictive. But we're 120 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: a sovereign nation. We should have the courage of our convictions. 121 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: If we know that something is wrong, we should say 122 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: it's wrong. New Zealand is a small country relies on 123 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 3: the rule of international law. If we don't have international law, 124 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: we have no protection against the powerful doing whatever they 125 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 3: want to do, whether that's Russia or whether it's the 126 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: United States. That behaves quite differently under this Trump administration. Look, 127 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: I'm all in favor of changing the government in Iraq, 128 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 3: but the United States is bombing it without a plan 129 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 3: of how to do it. And Trump is telling the 130 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,799 Speaker 3: decent people of Iran to rise up against the heavily 131 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 3: armed Iraqi revolutionary army, but they ought to know that 132 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: if they do so, he's not going to put boots 133 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: on the ground to save them when they wipe them out. 134 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 3: He didn't when they happened five weeks ago. This is 135 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 3: not about human rights. This is about simply the United 136 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 3: States wanting to exercise its power over an oil rich country. 137 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: Here they let me ping back on the rule of 138 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 2: law stuff, because I repeat again, the United Nations is 139 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: so toothless because the Security Council has a veto that 140 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: nothing gets done. They couldn't stop a corner dairy and 141 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: o to who from selling cigarettes to kids. They're that 142 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 2: bloody useless. So how long do you rely on the 143 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: rule of law when no one's enforcing those laws? Well, 144 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: they're useless when when people like Trump exercise the veto 145 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: more than any other power to stop but it's the 146 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: one that does it the most. It is the one 147 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 2: that does it the most. We want the rule of 148 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: law internationally because the alternative is to have the powerful 149 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: being able to do whatever they like. And I think 150 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: personally that Trump models self on people like Putin. He 151 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: wants to have that power. He doesn't want to have 152 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: any constraint, even to the point of threatening to take 153 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: over Greenland by military force a country that's part of 154 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: an allied country, Denmark. We have reached a pretty sad 155 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: state in international affairs when the country that we like 156 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: to look up to behaves like this. Under the Trump administration, 157 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: the UN had any teeth at all, we wouldn't have 158 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: to worry about these things. 159 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: This is true. 160 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: Well, it would have more teeth if the United States 161 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 3: allowed it to exercise. 162 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 2: Souls have been breached. History of go to Rwan, to 163 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: go to all sorts of go to Pole pot, go 164 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: to all sorts of historic stuff, and the United Nations 165 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: sat there in Oh, dear, dear, we better have another 166 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: meeting of the city. No, no, no. 167 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: The countries that made up the United Nations failed to 168 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: act in a lot of cases. There are also things 169 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 3: that the United Nations have done really well. We were 170 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: part of one of them in these team or for example. 171 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: But don't blame the United States for the fact that 172 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: its most powerful member countries doesn't let it exercise the 173 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 3: authority that it should have. Either. You believe that it's 174 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 3: right to be able to attack a country on a 175 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: false premise that they're about to attack you, or you 176 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:16,679 Speaker 3: believe that it's wrong. Phil said that he's not telling 177 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 3: the truth. 178 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: The position that you hold a seem to hold, which 179 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: is actually no, this shouldn't have happened. Iran should have 180 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: continued the way it was and the U engine had 181 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: done something. That is a luxury that we have in 182 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: New Zealand because we are not living in the Middle 183 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: East and having to live through the crap that Iran 184 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: is doing over there. It is funding Hamas, which is 185 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: attacking Israel, It's funding h Bulla, it's funding the hooties. 186 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 1: And people in that region actually may be very happy 187 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: to see Iran bond. 188 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll be less happy when the United States doesn't 189 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 3: do what Trump has implied that they will that it 190 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,599 Speaker 3: will do, which has come to the assistance of the 191 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: people that might want to overthrow the regime. He won't 192 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: took when he removed Maduro from Venezuela, that he removed 193 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 3: the regime that was oppressing the people. Know he kept 194 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 3: it in place. Let's have some Let's have some consistency 195 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 3: instead of double standards in hypocrisy, which I think a 196 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: lot of New Zealanders have had a guts full in 197 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 3: terms of what's happening internationally. 198 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: But I go back to make we'll just hear at home. 199 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: There isn't a single person listening to your radio station 200 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: that wouldn't resort to some other measure. If the rule 201 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: of law was enforced, if the police weren't arresting bad 202 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: buggers putting them in jail, the courts doing their job. Finally, 203 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: people say, we've had a guts full of this. There 204 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: is no law and order in this country. We have 205 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: to resort to other things. And while the United Nations, 206 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: who's supposed to be the law and order in the world, 207 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: does nothing because it can't. Every time anything goes to 208 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: the Security Council, one of them vetoes it. Then in 209 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: the end, we've just got a toothless Tiger's let's go. 210 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 3: Let's let's have a look at the example of where 211 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 3: you're wrong, and it's at the central issue of what 212 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 3: we do about whether Iran is able to enrich its 213 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 3: uranium to the point they could make a bomb. There 214 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: was agreement internationally that there're the international surveillance and monitoring 215 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: of it, so it couldn't happen. Trump trashed that in 216 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: his first administration. There are then talks going on right 217 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: until two days ago, chaired by Omann with the Foreign 218 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 3: Minister of Omann, and I've heard his speech here. He 219 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 3: spoke very forcefully and clearly said they were making real progress. 220 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 3: They'd been monitoring, there'd be verification, we could stop urine 221 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 3: uranium being enriched to that level. And what happened in 222 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 3: the midst of those talks they launched an attack, an 223 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: attack which he said, shouldn't it be necessary because apparently 224 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 3: he had obliterated the nuclear facilities anyway, Well, that was nonsense. 225 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 3: Clearly either he was lying before or he is lying now. 226 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,359 Speaker 1: Consistency. He's a fair point to point out the inconsistencies 227 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: in Trump's story. He's not a good guy on the 228 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: side of it, nors around. But listen, guys, both of 229 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: you great to chat to the pair of you. Thank 230 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: you so much, Morris Williamson, Phil Goff. 231 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplassy Allen Drive, listen live to 232 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: News talksa'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the 233 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: podcast on iHeartRadio.