1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Ryan Bridge on 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: early edition with one roof make your Property search simple, 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: US dogs. 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: That'd be good morning, Welcome to your Tuesday. Coming up 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 2: on the program. This Trump putin call lasted two hours. 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 2: It's now over. We'll bring you when we hear the 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: latest on what was said, what happened and what it 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: means for Ukraine. The government's sweeteners on foreign investment. We'll 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: talk about that before six to party Mardi and the 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 2: Shrimozzle rolls on to Parliament this afternoon. This is going 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: to go on for a while. We'll have reaction to that. Also, 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: AI cheating by our students. This is in secondary school, 13 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: so they're not cheating in exams. They're cheating on the 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: essays they write at home. So the question is should 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: they even be writing essays when you've got access to AI. 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: Donald Demayo out of Australia. Good morning the agenda, and 17 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 2: we will start with a Brixit nine years on from Bricksit. 18 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: We've got a new UK EU deal. 19 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: We're turning a page. 20 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 4: We're opening a new chapter in our unique relationship. 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 2: It's like going from a marriage to now having copy 22 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: dates this one. It includes things like fishing, defense and 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: passport checks. This deal is a win win. 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 5: It delivers what the British public voted for last year. 25 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 5: It gives us unprecedented access to the EU market, the 26 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 5: best of any country outside of the EU or after. 27 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: When you say unprecedented, not quite as unprecedented as it 28 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: was when you were in the EU. 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 6: Right. 30 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 2: Anyway, we move on to the Trump and Posting call. 31 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 2: It's now concluded. Here's what Varnce said. They wanted out 32 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: of it beforehand. Talks have been. 33 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 7: Proceeding for a little while. We realized there's a bit 34 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 7: of an impass here. And I think the President's going 35 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 7: to say to President boot and, look, are you serious? 36 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 7: Are you real about this? Because the proposal from the 37 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 7: United States has always been Look, there are a lot 38 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 7: of economic benefits to thawing relations between Russia and the 39 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 7: rest of the world, but you're not going to get 40 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 7: those benefits you keep on killing a lot of innocent people. 41 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: Joe Biden's prostate cancer. Who's got to let it from 42 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: the king. After he announced the diagnosis yesterday on social media, 43 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: Biden said cancer touches us all. He's grateful for the support. 44 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 8: President Donald Trump, reacting on social media saying Milania and 45 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 8: I are saddened to hear about Joe Biden's recent medical diagnosis. 46 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 8: We wish Joe a fast and successful recovery. Former President 47 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 8: Barack Obama also added a statement saying nobody has done 48 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 8: more to find breakthrough treatments for cancer in all its 49 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 8: forms than Joe. 50 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: There you go, It is nine after five News Talk, 51 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: CEP News and Views. 52 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: You trust to stud your day's Philly editioned with Ryan 53 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: Bridge and one roof. Make your property search simple if 54 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: News Talk ZIBB. 55 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: Nine two nine two is the number of ticks we'd 56 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: love to hear from you this morning. Now, the Trump 57 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: potent call is a big deal. Bigger deal than anything 58 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: we've been talking about re Ukraine over the last couple 59 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: of weeks. America is the only country really that Putin 60 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: still fears, who doesn't care about Europe. You know this 61 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 2: coalition of the Willing that they've been talking about, you know, 62 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 2: your Stamas and your Macrons coming out in Kiev. And 63 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: we supposedly supposedly part of this coalition of the Willing 64 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: as well, although we don't quite say that we are. 65 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: It's all a bit vague anyway. They came out with 66 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: a deadline. Remember that if you don't behave Vladimir, you 67 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: naughty boy, we will sanction you, and we mean it 68 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: will that deadline. Guess what passed a week ago, and 69 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: guess what, no sanctions. If you're going to stand up 70 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: to a bully and look credible, you're going to follow 71 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: through with it. Surely. Anyway, this call will either send 72 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: Trump packing. He'll give up and walk away from the 73 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: whole thing, and that would probably be the worst outcome 74 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:58,119 Speaker 2: because then Putin just continues with impunity, or it could 75 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: piss them off, and that would be the best outcome 76 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: for Ukraine, or the best outcome for actually a cease 77 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: fire or wanting to end this thing. You know, had 78 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: them with new sanction. If he's really riled up and 79 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: you know Putin's just being intolerable, then you get new sanctions. 80 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: You know, you kick out some diplomats, you cut ties, 81 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: even maximum pressure. That's why this call that started two 82 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: hours ago has now ended. Is a big deal. Certainly 83 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: a bigger deal than a bunch of Europeans signing ultimatums 84 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: that they don't keep enough five year on news talks 85 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: they'd be Does anyone care about what's going on at 86 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: Parliament today. If you're a member of the public, you're 87 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: not even allowed to go and watch. That's how worried 88 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: they are about security at Parliament today. And by the way, 89 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: let's not forget that this if a win for what 90 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: we what you might consider we might consider a win 91 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: for democracy or a win for the rules, is not 92 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: it's a loss. It's a win for taparty Marti on 93 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: social media. That's what it is. Anyway, we'll discuss this next. 94 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: The news you Need this morning and the in depth 95 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: analysis early edition with Ryan Bridge and one roof Make 96 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: your Property Search Simple. 97 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: News Talks said BE five thirteen. News Talk said BE. 98 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: We have heard that the phone call between Putin and 99 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: the US President Donald Trump has ended. And now we 100 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: not haven't heard from the White House, but we've heard 101 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: from the Kremlin. This is a statement from Putin. This 102 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: is just in the last couple of minutes. It was 103 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: a very informative and quite a frank conversation, very useful 104 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: in this respect. I thank the US President for his 105 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: resuming direct negotiations between Russia and Ukraine on a possible 106 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: peace agreement. The US President voiced his position on a 107 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: ceased fire. For my part, I noted that Russia too 108 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 2: favors a peaceful settlement of the Ukrainian crisis. We simply 109 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: must determine the most effective ways of moving towards peace. 110 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like they've actually come to any major agreements. 111 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: It is fourteen after five Parliament votes on the three 112 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: week suspension for Debbie and Rawerdy today and seven days 113 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 2: for my pet Clark. The public gallery will sit empty. 114 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: The debate could drag on, with filibustering every MP able 115 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: to speak. Liam. Here is a columnist and political commentator 116 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: with me this morning. Them, Good morning, good morning. You're right, 117 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: this is unprecedented. You know, normally you just get named, 118 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: you apologized. It would be the worst suspension since Muldoon 119 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: in the eighties. Is it too far? 120 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 9: Well, look, that's for Parliament to decide, and it's a 121 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 9: really important thing. But can I just point out something 122 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 9: that's going to annoy me a little bit, is yes, 123 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 9: the punishment would be unprecedented, but the offense is pretty 124 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 9: unprecedented too, right, and so sort of the idea that 125 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 9: there's some sort of sort of arbitrary or outrageous thing 126 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 9: about her a never before I heard of. Punishment needs 127 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 9: to be in the context of the fact that it's 128 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 9: never before heard of offense to in breach of parliamentary privilege. 129 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 9: So it's pretty Yes, it's severe, but the circumstances were severe. 130 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: I agree with you, But so for me that the 131 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: aggravating factor was the pistol gesture by Debbie. But then 132 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: why why was her sentence not longer? And what about 133 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: Julianne Jenta. 134 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 9: Well it certainly well, that certainly was an aggregating aggravating factor, 135 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 9: but really the truly aggravating factor is the complete lack 136 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 9: of remorse and contrition and and that's the difference between 137 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 9: julian and Jester. And also, and let's not forget that 138 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 9: Penny Helladay is also up for a vote today because 139 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 9: he was also complained of to the privilege of committee 140 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 9: and in both cases apologize unreservedly accepted the authority of 141 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 9: the House to regulate its own affairs and conduct its 142 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 9: own discipline of the members. And you know, we're treated 143 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 9: with some leniency as a result, whereas here we have 144 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 9: a continuing, continuing contempt for the ability of Parliament to 145 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 9: even regulate the conduct of its own members. And that 146 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 9: is more than anything as an aggravating factor. 147 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: So that what has to happen today, because this drag 148 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: on and on and on. Does National need to cut 149 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: a deal with the labor Because from where I'm sitting, 150 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: you zeam first act to party Maldi, the Greens, they 151 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: all have a political interest in dragging this out, But 152 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: the bigger parties are the ones probably who will actually 153 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: lose if this starts to look messy and too long. 154 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 9: You're right about that. So the small parties always have 155 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 9: an incentive for it to be as much of a 156 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 9: stunt as possible because that plays their base. But really 157 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 9: the key person is Jerry Brownlee. So this is an 158 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 9: unusual kind of situation when you're debating matters of privilege. 159 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 9: When the house is you're not subject to the normal 160 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 9: time limits because it's sort of it's a special sort 161 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 9: of circumstance. And so in the theory, you know, speeches 162 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 9: can go on for as long as they want. They're 163 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 9: not subject or time limit, and so you have what 164 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,239 Speaker 9: might look in some ways like an American filibuster, where 165 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 9: are speaker can get up and talk forever to protest 166 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 9: what's happening and come up to the whole business of 167 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 9: the House. But Jerry Brownlee is the Speaker of the House, 168 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 9: has the unique ability to regulate how long people speak, 169 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 9: to say that they're repeating themselves, that they're talking about 170 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 9: irrelevant things, and also to close off debate. So actually, 171 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,239 Speaker 9: Jerry Brownlee, he holds all the power in the situation. 172 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: Interesting take. Lem really appreciate that. Thanks for coming on 173 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 2: lim here columnist and political commentator with us this morning. 174 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: That will take place this afternoon seventeen after five News 175 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: talks MB still to come AI. Are your kids doing 176 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: exams and are they using AI? There have been a 177 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: bit of an uptick in the use, so how should 178 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: we test our kids going forward? 179 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: The first word on the News of the Day early 180 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: edition with Ryan Bridge and one Room to make your 181 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,119 Speaker 1: property surge. Simple News talks. 182 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 2: Loads of feedback onto party May. I'll get to that 183 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 2: in a second five to twenty hour. This one from 184 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: Roder says Ryan Jerry brownly needs a swift kick up 185 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: his voluminous ass. Do we need to bring his weight 186 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 2: into this Poor old Jerry, he has a sturdy seat, 187 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: that is for sure. Educators cracking down on AI and 188 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: school exams. This is the story this morning MZQA figures 189 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: show exam breaches are up two hundred and fifty percent 190 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 2: since twenty nineteen. We're talking here actually about external assessments 191 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: with AI, so investigating eight hundred and seventy six breaches 192 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: last year, about sixty of those down to AI. This 193 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: is for your take home work though, So Associate Professor 194 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: Doctor Catherine McCallum is with US University of Canterbury this 195 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: morning to discuss Good morning. 196 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 10: Good morning. 197 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 2: So is it easy to spot because I've talked to 198 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: teachers about this, easy to spot a student who doesn't 199 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: normally do well using AI because it stands out like 200 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 2: a sore thumb. But the problem is actually when you've 201 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: got a student who performs well and uses it, they fly. 202 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 10: You don't know, Oh yeah, exactly. I mean that's the 203 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 10: problem with AI. I mean you can't detect AI writing 204 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 10: reliably and so any sort of solution that's been given 205 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 10: to us, a technological solution is not useful because it cannot. 206 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 11: Pick up AI writing. 207 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 10: So yeah, so trying to identify students that do well 208 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 10: with the technology is you're really going down a road 209 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 10: that it's not useful. You're wasting your time. 210 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 2: So exams in person exams that are monitored by people. 211 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: That's fine, But should we actually be getting kids to 212 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: write essays if they can use AI and we won't know? 213 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 10: Well, I think what we need to do is start 214 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 10: thinking about and changing the dialogue a little bit around 215 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 10: AI use. We tend to just assume that AI writing 216 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 10: is cheating, and you know, the minute that I is 217 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 10: part of the process is a cheating is issue And 218 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 10: that's not true. So you can still have assessments writing 219 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 10: and essay writing with AI and it still can be 220 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 10: an assessment of the students learning and their understanding. It's 221 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 10: just we need to change how we assess. We need 222 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 10: to change how we are looking at at the use 223 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 10: of the technology in that space. And so I think 224 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 10: that's the key thing is that you know, just because 225 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 10: we have AI doesn't mean that it's integrity. Is sure, 226 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 10: it's not cheating, but we need to start thinking about 227 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 10: how we stroke that balance where students can use the 228 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 10: technology to scaffold their learning and scaffold them into the 229 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 10: writing process, but. 230 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: How do you make sure that they actually understand, you know, 231 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: what's on the paper? 232 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,119 Speaker 10: Well, I mean, this is the whole point of assessment 233 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 10: for learning is that your a cess for their understanding 234 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 10: and you're building the learning. So it's the problem when 235 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 10: we start thinking about assessment there's this discrete thing that 236 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 10: is summative and that it will identify their work. So 237 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 10: if you are looking at it as a process where 238 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 10: students are engaging with the technology or without the technology 239 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 10: and with you, and as you build up to the 240 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 10: writing and demonstrate their learning, and you do it in 241 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 10: multiple way, so it's not just that written assessment work 242 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 10: that maybe it's conversation afterwards, maybe they translated into something else. 243 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 10: That's when the learning happens. And so that's the point 244 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 10: around the assessment for learning is that it's a process. 245 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 10: It's not just the one hit wonder. 246 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so maybe you get yeah they do 247 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: the essay, sure, fine, but then they have to do 248 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: a speech afterwards or a presentation and actually prove that 249 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: they understand what the hell's are that they're Writtian or 250 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: potentially ais Wrissian. I appreciate your time this morning, Associate Professor, 251 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 2: Doctor Catherine McCullum, University of Canterbury. It is twenty four 252 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: minutes after five. Would you use AI If you were 253 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: at school, you'd be tempted. People used to when I 254 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: was at school, right on their knees, you know. He 255 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: had to memorize very difficult calculations and stuff and maths. 256 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: They would write on their knees or the pen the formulas, 257 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: you know, or in the inside their calculator. Now I 258 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: never did that. Never. Twenty four or after five, we'll 259 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: talk about to Party Marty. Lots of your feedback on 260 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 2: that and what's going to happen today at Parliament. 261 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: Next the early edition full the Show podcast on iHeartRadio, 262 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: how It by NEWSTALKSB. 263 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 2: News TALKSB It is twenty six minutes after five. Government 264 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 2: debt is the worst it's been since the nineteen nineties. 265 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: But today, two days out from a budget designed to 266 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: fix it, our parliamentarians will be debating a hakka. The public, 267 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: I don't think largely cares about this stuff. Pocketbook book 268 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: politics always trumps theatrics, except if you're to Party Mardi. 269 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: No matter how today's debate over the Privileges Committee report goes, 270 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: and it could go on for a long time, to 271 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: Party Marti wins a loss for them. In our Westminster system, 272 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 2: what we might think of as a sanction or a 273 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 2: punishment is to them a badge of honor. Already, they're 274 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: well followed. Social media accounts are beating the drum of discontent. 275 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: There are some who say that twenty one days is 276 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: too harsh. People are comparing the hackets and Debbie's gun 277 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 2: thing to Brooks ced for example, They miss an important point. 278 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: Both the sea bomb and the hakka were pre planned, 279 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: choreographed stunts. The difference between the two is Brooke asked 280 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: the clerk in advance of her stunt if she was 281 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: allowed to use the word. The answer is yes to party. 282 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: Mardi did not. Brooks stunt did not disrupt a vote 283 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: being taken in the House. The Mardi parties did. Voting 284 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: is the essence of democracy, where the elected expressed the 285 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: views of the electors us. It's Parliament's holy communion, and 286 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: nobody has yet said sorry. That does not mean the punishment, 287 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: which a slim majority of government members voted for, is 288 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: not overly harsh. The clerk reckons its brownly, clearly reckons 289 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: it is. The opposition reckons it is. Does the punishment 290 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: really fit the crime? That's the question? Or have standards 291 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: slipped so badly? The House is such a hot mess 292 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: that a precedent and a message needs to be sent 293 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: to our parliamentarians. As I said, I think on the 294 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: whole the public largely doesn't really care about this stuff. 295 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: The question today is how long will national let this 296 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: debate drag on with amendments and filibustering before a compromise 297 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: is reached. Winston and Seymour, they're your hardliners of course, 298 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: to Party Maori, your Greens, the your opposing hard liners 299 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: of course. But for the bigger parties the risk is 300 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: if you play politics over policy for too long, you 301 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: look childish. The only winners from today's sideshow will be 302 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: the minnows and of course, well the losers, I should 303 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: say with the minnos will be the winners. The losers 304 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: really will be the bigger parties and the rest of us. 305 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: Bryan Bridge, Ryanum absolutely sick of parliament. It's a disgrace. 306 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: They need to get on and do what we voted 307 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: them in for, which is running the country. This is MMP, 308 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: isn't it. This is MMP. That is what you might 309 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: I voted for. It's not what departy Marty's voters are 310 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: voting for. It's not what some Winning's supporters are voting for. 311 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: Indeed some of acts News Talks, said b will get 312 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: to our Australia correspondent and reporters next. 313 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Ryan 314 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: Bridge and one roof make your Property search Simple news Talk, 315 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: said Bunting America. 316 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 2: Good morning, it is twenty four away from the Sex year. 317 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 2: On news Talksai'd be busy old morning this morning. Putin 318 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: and Trump have had a call the White House. Haven't 319 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: heard from them yet, but the Kremlin has said they 320 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 2: are quote ready to work towards a memorandum for peace. Well, 321 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 2: it sounds to me a lot more like stalling for time, 322 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 2: which is what they've been doing. And I sent that 323 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: crew to Istanbul, Will Putin go, won't he go? And 324 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: then no, he doesn't go, and they send an insulting 325 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: low level diplomat in his place. So no real firm 326 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 2: word out of what came, if anything firm came out 327 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: of this call. Trump was then going to call Zelensky. 328 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: So we'll keep you updated and Mike will later on 329 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: about any updates from them. Twenty three minutes away from 330 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 2: six now. The markets rattled overnight. This is the US 331 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: debt downgrade from Moody's was that the last of them 332 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 2: to strip its triple A rating, So you got rising 333 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 2: interest costs, you got your big deficit, only going to 334 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: get bigger, of course, with the Big Beautiful Bill, which 335 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 2: allowed anywhere from three point three trillion to five point 336 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: two trillion dollars in debt. That Big Beautiful Bill to. 337 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 9: Be updated on the progress of the one Big Beautiful Bill. 338 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 2: We love that bill so beautiful. 339 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 3: I won't like it if it doesn't pass, neither will you. 340 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: So good basically, borrow span, borrow spand hope some tariff 341 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: revenues offset that spendinguts. By the way, although doge you 342 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: know they made big promises, didn't they about trillions being cut? 343 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 2: They only got to hundreds of billions. It's like our government, 344 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 2: I mean, our government has the same problem with hacking spending. 345 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: Governments around the world actually have a real problem cutting 346 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: the spending that we took on the commitments we made 347 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: during COVID. It's like trying to lose weight. You know, 348 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: once you get to a certain size your this is 349 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: just science. Your metabolism changes. It is harder to shift 350 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: the kegs. It's true, and the Western world is both 351 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 2: now physically and financially firmly in the overweight category. Anyway, 352 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 2: Treasury yields are up. The thirty year hit five percent down. 353 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: The S ANDP opened down this morning on the news 354 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: that came through on Friday. It's twenty two away from 355 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 2: six reporters around the country Callumen to Needen for us 356 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 2: cullum as students there being given a bit of a 357 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 2: reminder about run down flats. 358 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 12: Yeah, look at nb's tendency, compliance and Investigations team are 359 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 12: on the prowl here and deeda. They're inspecting some of 360 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 12: our most notorious student flats and they're taking aim at 361 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 12: the landlords who especially offer up damp rentals to young students. 362 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 12: So they're waiting to ensure that they're well maintained, compliance 363 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 12: and clean. NBC's they want to make clear the consequences 364 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 12: of non compliance because young students are unaware of their rights. 365 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 12: The Students Association here says the quality of housing is 366 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 12: unacceptable for what students pay, and they say many flats 367 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 12: are not compliant simply because of their responsible landlords. 368 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 2: All right, how's your where they come? 369 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 12: Morning Shells then find a strong sol easterly gusting eighty 370 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 12: k's this morning. 371 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: That is as though the heighth today fourteen. Thank you 372 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: Clais and christ to clear. Good morning, good morning, our 373 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: job for anyone with a fish tank well, yes. 374 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 13: A job indeed, Ryan. The Canterbury community is being urged 375 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 13: to be on the lookout for an aquatic weed called hornward. 376 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 13: It is said to be New Zealand's most submerged weed. 377 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 13: This is often purchased to be used as a plant 378 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 13: for fish tanks and aquariums, and environment Canterbury Regional Council 379 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 13: has received reports of it being sold and bought online 380 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 13: around Canterbury. Hornwalt has a detrimental impact on native ecosystems 381 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 13: that can displace native vegetation and then increase the flooding risks, 382 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 13: so it's pretty worrying. Environment Canterbury is offering to remove 383 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 13: the weed from anyone who does find they have it 384 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 13: in order to prevent it from entering the natural environment. 385 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: Do we know what it looks like like? 386 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 13: A fish tank weed? Is pretty much how you describe it. 387 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 13: It's very standard looking. So all the informations on the 388 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 13: ECAN website. 389 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 2: All right, thank you, how'shuld were the clear frosty. 390 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 13: To start should clear to a bit cloudy southwesterlies and 391 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 13: fifteen degrees right. 392 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: Stay warm this morning, Max and willing to Max. Good morning, 393 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 2: Good morning. You've got scammers targeting restaurants and cafes. 394 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 14: Yeah, front page of the post today is a bit 395 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 14: of a depressing one. A good range of hospitality owners, 396 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 14: a bar owner, a courtney place, a hipster cafe owner 397 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 14: on Cuba Street, mid Night Espresso Beach, Babylon by Oriental Beach. 398 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 14: They're all seeing an uptick in scam attempts right now. 399 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 14: There's someone, some group calling these places up complaining of 400 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 14: severe food poisoning, having eaten their frantic Maybe their partner 401 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 14: was rushed to hospital, huge medical bills. Perhaps she's pregnant, 402 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 14: went into anaphylectic shock after a bad onion or a 403 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 14: bad piece of meat. Shifting accents on the phone, a 404 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 14: thespian in person. It's all very elaborate, and it's fraudulent, 405 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 14: and it seems it's happening quite frequently around the Capitol 406 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 14: at the moment. More traditional scam attempts are also happening 407 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 14: with greater frequency. You double charged me, you overcharged me. 408 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 14: A wide range of different places seeing this kind of 409 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 14: crap right now. 410 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: Who do they think it as like one person who's 411 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 2: doing this or is this an orchestrated a tech from 412 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 2: North Korea? 413 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 14: That's right, Russia. Well, in terms of the sort of 414 00:22:53,880 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 14: food poisoning scam, the Russians, what was the accent, Yeah, 415 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 14: it's probably an easier accent to do less offensive as well. Yeah, 416 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 14: in terms of the food poisoning stuff, that seems like 417 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 14: it could be the same group because it's very specific. 418 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 14: But you know, the sort of overcharging stuff has been 419 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 14: going on for decades, isn't it. 420 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, Max, how's your weather? 421 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 14: Mostly fine? Northerly's getting up to a higher fifteenth central? 422 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: Nice one, thank you need a good morning to good morning. 423 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 2: Now we've got the Golden Triangle. 424 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 6: Correct, trust you? Yes, yes, family show as a family 425 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 6: show today the Golden Triangle in this years budget. So 426 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 6: now this region, the Golden Triangle includes Auckland, Hamilton and 427 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 6: Todunger creating more than fifty percent of GDP has more 428 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 6: than half of the population that I did not know, 429 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 6: but it makes sense. 430 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 2: All into the Golden Triangle. A lot to fit in 431 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: a small place. 432 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 6: But oh, the barbser keep coming total me at Mahi Drysdale. 433 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 6: He wants investment and key infrastrution actually like health services, 434 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 6: roads and schools. 435 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: We know that. 436 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 6: Aukland me and Wayne Brown has said, look, I am 437 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 6: seeking a bednight levy to fund these major events. He 438 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 6: wants easier transit for Chinese nationals and the ability you know, 439 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 6: we know this to take control of Auckland Transport. Hamilton's 440 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 6: mere port of Southgate. She's not commenting, She said, nope, 441 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 6: I'm going to wait till the budgets released. 442 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: Huh, you have it, here we go. How's the weather today? 443 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 2: Any showers? 444 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 6: Oh my, I sweet, you had had too much sleep 445 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 6: last night because you've come on in the fizzing on 446 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 6: all cylinders, haven't you. 447 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: I had a good sleep on Monday, Monday night, Tuesday, Tuesday, 448 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 2: sleep on Sunday nights. 449 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 3: Sunday night. 450 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 1: Right. 451 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 2: Good today here you do? 452 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 3: Oh my god, to like comedian. 453 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 2: You're a comedian. 454 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 6: You're funnier than met today. 455 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: Fine. 456 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 6: Apart from evening cloud just the odd shower though in 457 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 6: the west, sixteen's the high. 458 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 2: Have a great day. Even Ryan Bridge, seventeen away from 459 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 2: Sex you're on news talk, said but we're going to 460 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 2: get to Donal tomorrow. Out of Australia. Next bit of 461 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: a scandal about the tanks they're sending to Ukraine. News 462 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: Talk said B. News Talk c THEREB. It is fourteen 463 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: minutes away from six. If you're just joining us and 464 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 2: catching up with the news. This morning, there's been a 465 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 2: phone called Trump's been on the blower to Putin. Putin 466 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 2: has come out and said basically where we will look 467 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 2: to do something. Trump's just posted to his truth social 468 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 2: He says the call went very well. He said Russia 469 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: and Ukraine will immediately start negotiations toward a seasfire and 470 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: more importantly bring an end to the war. We've heard 471 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 2: that before, haven't we. It's fourteen to. 472 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: Six International correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance Peace of 473 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business. 474 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 2: Donad Tomato's with us this morning. Our Australia correspondent on 475 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,719 Speaker 2: a good morning to you. Good morning now, speaking of Ukraine, 476 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 2: there's questions over some old tanks being sent there. 477 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 4: Yes, well, these tanks are on the way. We've just 478 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 4: had confirmation that the first of these forty nine Abrams 479 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 4: tanks have been put on a cargo ship and are 480 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 4: on their way to Ukraine. There's a hired tanks. Of course, 481 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 4: now the ABC has confirmed that they're on the cargo ship, 482 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 4: but there's these whispers that keep surfacing that American officials 483 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 4: don't think that the arrangement is quite a good idea 484 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 4: because they're saying they might not be that useful on 485 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 4: the battlefield. Apparently these tanks. The weakest point on these 486 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 4: tanks is the roof. And we know that this is 487 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 4: called a drone war. What's happening over in Ukraine so 488 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 4: interesting perspective from the Americans. The fact is that they 489 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 4: Australia had to get permission from the US before they 490 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 4: were allowed to even export these tanks to a third country. 491 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 4: So just sort of interesting little rumblings there. But we 492 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 4: do know that Ukraine President of Vladimir Zelensky has actually 493 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 4: thanked the Prime Minister and that was just recently because 494 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 4: they met up in Rome. As we know, there's been 495 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 4: a lot happening in Rome. 496 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 2: Lately, has very quickly. What's different about this new octopus 497 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 2: species found off west coast of Australia. 498 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 4: Oh, it's just fascinating. So this tiny little it goes 499 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 4: to four centimeters. It's called the canarve and flapjack. It's 500 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 4: just been named and it was found off the West 501 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 4: Australian coast by the CSIRO. It's a shape shifter. It's 502 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 4: got huge eyes so it can see on the seabed, 503 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 4: you know, so we can find its food. It's got 504 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 4: blood red tentacles and it's super super, super duper rare. 505 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 4: So I just thought it was fascinating that they found 506 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 4: this very unique octopus in Australia. 507 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, very cool. I'll tell you all about it. Very small, 508 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 2: by the sounds of it, very cool. 509 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 4: Tiny, only grows to four. 510 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: Cinemets and a big eye. It must be all I 511 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: basically musters. Hey, Donald, think thank you for that. Really 512 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 2: appreciate your time. Donald, Australia correspondent, just kind of living 513 00:27:59,440 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 2: away from. 514 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: Sex Brian Bread. 515 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 2: How the government says it's going to help infrastructure investment 516 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 2: in New Zealand seventy five million dollars over the next 517 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: four years to encourage foreign investment in New Zealand Infrastructure. 518 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 2: Also wants to make it easier for startups to attract 519 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: and retain high quality staff. Infrastructure ends ed ce you 520 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: nickle get with me this morning. Nick, Good morning, low Ryan. 521 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 2: Now how is this going to work? 522 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 11: Well, this is another sort of tweak in the infrastructure system. 523 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 11: The government has been moving sort of step by step 524 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 11: to make improvements, and you know, in itself it's on 525 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 11: a massive tweet. But essentially, what they're going to do 526 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 11: is allow foreign known companies to fund a higher proportion 527 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 11: of their investment in New Zealand subsidiaries through debt. At 528 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 11: the moment, they can't do that, and what that means 529 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 11: is that it's going to reduce the government's ability to 530 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 11: collect tax on that investment. And so that's what this 531 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 11: sixty five million and is actually really just income tax 532 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 11: revenue that the government thinks they're going to forego as 533 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 11: a result of this change. What it does is that 534 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 11: sends the signal that New Zealand is a better place 535 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 11: to invest in infrastructure, that there are hum incentives at play, 536 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 11: and that's really important because we are at the bottom 537 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 11: of the world. We don't while we've got there's great 538 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 11: confidence in our government and our and our democracy, in 539 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 11: our systems, they do have to be incentives to get 540 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 11: people to want to put money into New Zealand, which 541 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 11: in turn grows our economy. 542 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 2: As you said, this is sixty five million dollars over 543 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: four years it's not going to change the world overnight 544 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: very quickly. Is there a what would be a big 545 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 2: ticket item you'd be looking for in the budget? 546 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 11: Well, it's really you know, there might be some projects 547 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 11: that the government want to move faster on. So perhaps 548 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 11: projects that they are they've investigated and that they want 549 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 11: to drive faster. There might be some more money potentially 550 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 11: perhaps for the Auckland Second Harbor crossing. It could be 551 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 11: things like that, or new road, school or hospital projects. 552 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 11: But I would say this, you know the Prime Minister 553 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 11: heads Investments some of a couple of months ago. That's 554 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 11: sending the signal to the world that New Zealand is 555 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 11: wanting to partner where it comes to building infrastructure. That's 556 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 11: really important because we know we've got this massive infrastructure 557 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 11: gain and if people want you know, and we do 558 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 11: want stronger economy to be more productive, to be able 559 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 11: to pay for those schools and hospitals and in a 560 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 11: stronger standard of living over time, infrastructure is vital for that. 561 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 11: And so I think this is a good move from 562 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 11: the government and it's one of a number of small moves, 563 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 11: but they all equal hopefully greater strength in our infrastructure market. 564 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 11: And the fact that we're going to be building more 565 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 11: pretty soon. 566 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Moving into by Nick, appreciate your time. That's infrastructure 567 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: and MCR Nick Leggett. Yeah. About as significant as that 568 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: al to put stay found in Australia. But you know, 569 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 2: and when you add them all together, hopefully you get 570 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 2: yourself somewhere. It is eight minutes away from six News 571 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: Talk SB on. 572 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: Your radio and online on iHeartRadio early edition with Ryan 573 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: Bridge and One Roof to make your property search simple. 574 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: News Talks B. 575 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: It's the sixth on News Talks B. The services sector 576 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 2: going backwards again, battling for momentum. The services sector makes 577 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: up two thirds of our GDP, so it's quite important. 578 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: Business endzs PSI for April was forty eight point five. 579 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: That's down point four. Anything below fifty is going backwards 580 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 2: and we are below the average, which is fifty three, 581 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 2: and we're trending. We were trending coming up towards fifty. 582 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: But it seems to install all of our trading partners, 583 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 2: with the exception of the UK, we're now an outlier two, 584 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 2: all of them above fifty, the US fifty point eight, 585 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 2: the eurzone fifty point one. You get the message. All 586 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: of us talk about the economic recovery. Basically, they're saying, 587 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: this is the reality check. It is still tough out there, 588 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 2: and it increases the risk that we don't hit our 589 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 2: growth forecast of two percent this year. It's five two 590 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 2: six Bryan Bridge this morning, Hi, Mike. 591 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 3: Big announcement this morning, Ryan seven thirty. 592 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: What's happening? 593 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 3: More money on rail? So Winston, Yeah, probably because he's 594 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 3: pro rail. So you got six hundred million, aren't you 595 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 3: desperate to know where this money is coming from? You 596 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 3: think about all the announcements that have been made in 597 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks, hundreds and hundreds of I 598 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 3: mean we're into billions now. 599 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 600 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 3: So and I heard you talk about the taxing. Yes, 601 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 3: say that's pocket change, that's you know, sixty seventy eighty 602 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 3: million dollars. That's nothing, that's a that's token. So you're 603 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 3: into billions of dollars. Where's the where are the billions? 604 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 3: Where are they reprioritization? Well that's fine, So what are 605 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 3: you reprioritizing. Who's losing out somebody. 606 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: Somewhere loan money you got. I mean there's a whole 607 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 2: bunch of stuff that they'll cut, Like what well, we 608 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: don't know. 609 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 3: That's the point. Aren't you desperately Aren't you desperate. 610 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 2: Or I'm semi fizzed, or are you worried. 611 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 3: They're going to borrow more money? And if they borrow, 612 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 3: if they borrow more money, you don't think they're going 613 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 3: to borrow more money. I think I think they got. 614 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 2: More money by virtue of the fact that we're spending 615 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: more money. 616 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 3: No, that's true. So in other words, I'm saying more 617 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 3: top of that time, I do. You don't think they will. 618 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 3: I don't think they can, but I think they might. 619 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: Politically they can't. I mean, how stupid would they look? 620 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 3: Pretty stupid? But I said to the Prime Minister yesterday 621 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 3: who was where I am right now, And I said, 622 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 3: I you better not be borrowing more money. And you 623 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 3: know he's one of he's one of those people who 624 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 3: doesn't hide stuff well visually and you can tell when 625 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 3: he's got the sort of look of alarm about him, 626 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 3: going oh shouldn't I. 627 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 2: Oh what maybe I have? So I would know you 628 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 2: you think, and that from a glint in his eye 629 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 2: you think they're gonna want it wasn't a. 630 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 3: Glint it was, But no, my my feet as they are, 631 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 3: and that's because it's somewhere someone's paying for all of us. 632 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 3: And I just says, just this morning, six hundred million dollars. 633 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 3: Where's it coming. 634 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: No, we can't be borrowing more, and we're borrowing more 635 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: than I'm getting on the plane to Australia. 636 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 3: Are you promise there? 637 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 2: Have a great day, everyone, Mike's Next. 638 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge. 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