1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Sat B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:15,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,333 --> 00:00:19,573 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 4 00:00:19,853 --> 00:00:20,453 Speaker 2: Take it on the pad. 5 00:00:20,533 --> 00:00:24,853 Speaker 3: Now it's a trick, it is out, the Test is over. 6 00:00:27,093 --> 00:00:31,453 Speaker 3: Goodness smokes a beauty that is out and here he goes. 7 00:00:31,533 --> 00:00:33,453 Speaker 3: This delivery has a new uses the. 8 00:00:33,493 --> 00:00:39,253 Speaker 4: Gold on the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy 9 00:00:39,293 --> 00:00:43,813 Speaker 4: Cody's powered by News Talk, said b at iHeart Radio, 10 00:00:46,413 --> 00:00:47,013 Speaker 4: Hello on the. 11 00:00:47,013 --> 00:00:50,813 Speaker 3: Front Foot with Razine color shots, your color and decorating excerpts. 12 00:00:50,853 --> 00:00:53,253 Speaker 3: The Black Cats leap up the second on the World 13 00:00:53,333 --> 00:00:56,533 Speaker 3: Test Championship. Does a two year old series wouldn't feel 14 00:00:56,573 --> 00:00:59,933 Speaker 3: like the season is over? Before Christmas? And soul searching 15 00:00:59,973 --> 00:01:02,933 Speaker 3: the English campus their fans spend big for a Nash's 16 00:01:03,013 --> 00:01:06,693 Speaker 3: Christmas holiday. Surely the hilly criticism must play on the 17 00:01:06,773 --> 00:01:11,613 Speaker 3: minds of the leaders and the cream of our age 18 00:01:11,653 --> 00:01:15,613 Speaker 3: group talent heads for the Under nineteen World Championships in Zimbabwe. 19 00:01:15,693 --> 00:01:19,773 Speaker 3: We'll hear from the coach, have the pleasure of the 20 00:01:20,213 --> 00:01:24,413 Speaker 3: company of herald cricket writer and news Talk zemb Voice 21 00:01:24,453 --> 00:01:26,533 Speaker 3: and whatever else he does. I think he's a crick 22 00:01:26,573 --> 00:01:30,533 Speaker 3: info man as well. Andrew Ordison to join us this morning, Jerry. 23 00:01:30,653 --> 00:01:34,013 Speaker 3: So we've got two men who were at the game 24 00:01:34,533 --> 00:01:39,453 Speaker 3: and can review what happened, not only in man Mung 25 00:01:39,493 --> 00:01:42,213 Speaker 3: and IRBT in the Test series. Are we feeling that 26 00:01:42,333 --> 00:01:46,133 Speaker 3: the summer is over though? Orders you know, that's the 27 00:01:46,253 --> 00:01:49,493 Speaker 3: end of it until March the fifteenth does have. 28 00:01:49,573 --> 00:01:51,693 Speaker 2: That field, so it doesn't the morning Jeremy. 29 00:01:52,053 --> 00:01:55,453 Speaker 5: I think, yeah, it always revolves out of the tests 30 00:01:55,493 --> 00:01:58,013 Speaker 5: for me, and that's been done and dusted. Now with us, 31 00:01:58,053 --> 00:02:01,773 Speaker 5: we Cindy's series went albit he Zeland eventually came to 32 00:02:01,853 --> 00:02:02,493 Speaker 5: the party there. 33 00:02:02,533 --> 00:02:02,933 Speaker 2: I think. 34 00:02:04,453 --> 00:02:06,133 Speaker 5: They had to work hard at it and it was 35 00:02:06,213 --> 00:02:11,853 Speaker 5: hard for victory on the series, but ultimately points on 36 00:02:11,893 --> 00:02:14,453 Speaker 5: the board in the World Test Championships and context there. 37 00:02:14,853 --> 00:02:16,653 Speaker 5: But then you have to wait till all that time 38 00:02:16,813 --> 00:02:19,693 Speaker 5: until what during before the next tests are underway, and yes, 39 00:02:19,693 --> 00:02:21,173 Speaker 5: there's going to be the one days and now they 40 00:02:21,213 --> 00:02:23,693 Speaker 5: head away for World T twenty and to India for 41 00:02:24,333 --> 00:02:25,533 Speaker 5: prelim series, et cetera. 42 00:02:26,373 --> 00:02:28,613 Speaker 2: But yeah, that just feels right in the heart of 43 00:02:28,693 --> 00:02:31,493 Speaker 2: the New Hill and Cricket summer where it should be. Jerry. 44 00:02:31,573 --> 00:02:35,413 Speaker 3: How do you rate the Test Series from an overall 45 00:02:35,453 --> 00:02:36,373 Speaker 3: performance point of view? 46 00:02:36,733 --> 00:02:40,013 Speaker 6: Look on, it feels as though it's just the start 47 00:02:40,093 --> 00:02:43,853 Speaker 6: of summer, to be honest, proper, the best part of 48 00:02:43,933 --> 00:02:47,733 Speaker 6: summer is usually February March, a bit of January perats 49 00:02:47,853 --> 00:02:48,533 Speaker 6: late January. 50 00:02:48,893 --> 00:02:50,813 Speaker 7: It's always been that way, and you and I have 51 00:02:50,893 --> 00:02:52,693 Speaker 7: been round a lot longer than most. 52 00:02:54,613 --> 00:02:58,253 Speaker 6: So yes, it does feel premature that we've we've wrapped 53 00:02:58,253 --> 00:03:00,973 Speaker 6: it up basically and it's white ball cricket from here 54 00:03:01,053 --> 00:03:03,373 Speaker 6: on in. I guess that's to do with the World 55 00:03:03,453 --> 00:03:08,053 Speaker 6: Cup mainly, But that's a bit of a shame we've 56 00:03:08,093 --> 00:03:10,933 Speaker 6: got as far as the tour is concerned. 57 00:03:11,773 --> 00:03:12,733 Speaker 7: What did we gain? 58 00:03:13,533 --> 00:03:18,333 Speaker 6: We gained the Duffy, a third seema coming in for 59 00:03:18,493 --> 00:03:22,893 Speaker 6: me and the batting. I don't think we can take 60 00:03:22,893 --> 00:03:24,573 Speaker 6: a hell of a lot from it, to be honest, 61 00:03:25,373 --> 00:03:28,813 Speaker 6: and we'll know more after the England, India and Australia 62 00:03:29,853 --> 00:03:31,133 Speaker 6: two important tours away. 63 00:03:31,213 --> 00:03:33,333 Speaker 7: There aren't there England and Australia big ones. 64 00:03:34,533 --> 00:03:38,133 Speaker 6: So yeah, disappointing that it's come to this sort of 65 00:03:38,213 --> 00:03:41,333 Speaker 6: premature end when things were kind of starting. 66 00:03:41,653 --> 00:03:45,053 Speaker 3: Yeah, all is your writings behind a paywall now, so 67 00:03:45,093 --> 00:03:47,213 Speaker 3: a lot of us seem to miss out on that. 68 00:03:48,453 --> 00:03:50,533 Speaker 3: How did you see the lessons out of this series. 69 00:03:50,893 --> 00:03:54,293 Speaker 2: Well, it's terrible news for you. Look and I think. 70 00:03:57,573 --> 00:04:02,013 Speaker 5: I think that like Jeremy, I think the gain of Duffy, 71 00:04:02,093 --> 00:04:04,813 Speaker 5: I mean twenty three wickets at fifteen point four to 72 00:04:04,893 --> 00:04:07,653 Speaker 5: three across that series, a five wicket bag in each 73 00:04:07,693 --> 00:04:11,533 Speaker 5: of the Tests, and just the ability to toil really 74 00:04:11,573 --> 00:04:15,413 Speaker 5: impressed me. I mean, especially with the lack of bowling 75 00:04:15,453 --> 00:04:17,373 Speaker 5: death lets at the start. But then we saw him 76 00:04:17,413 --> 00:04:20,213 Speaker 5: to Bubba thought Michael Ray was Okazach Folks probably faded 77 00:04:20,253 --> 00:04:20,733 Speaker 5: towards the. 78 00:04:20,853 --> 00:04:22,013 Speaker 2: End of the series. 79 00:04:22,733 --> 00:04:25,773 Speaker 5: But for my mind, when you lose the spearhead in 80 00:04:25,853 --> 00:04:29,213 Speaker 5: Matt Henry, you haven't got Willow Rourke nor Kyle Jamison. 81 00:04:29,733 --> 00:04:32,493 Speaker 5: What Duffy was able to do there was top notch 82 00:04:32,613 --> 00:04:34,973 Speaker 5: and really I guess put in New Zealand to the 83 00:04:35,013 --> 00:04:38,773 Speaker 5: forefront of the series. I was pleased Aged Patel got 84 00:04:38,773 --> 00:04:41,373 Speaker 5: a run at melmong and Nui and just did a 85 00:04:42,133 --> 00:04:44,413 Speaker 5: you know, a workman hike performance got the wickets. He 86 00:04:44,533 --> 00:04:46,253 Speaker 5: needed six wickets for the match. I think from a 87 00:04:46,293 --> 00:04:49,693 Speaker 5: one hundred and thirty six it probably as a lieutenant 88 00:04:49,733 --> 00:04:52,253 Speaker 5: to Duffy, if you like. With what was happening on 89 00:04:52,373 --> 00:04:56,293 Speaker 5: the final day, the batting I agree with Jeremy. Probably 90 00:04:56,493 --> 00:04:58,493 Speaker 5: not a lot you could read into it. I mean, 91 00:04:58,533 --> 00:05:02,493 Speaker 5: it's still impressive the numbers that Latham and Como to 92 00:05:02,533 --> 00:05:06,213 Speaker 5: put together with those two century partnerships in the Third 93 00:05:06,373 --> 00:05:08,773 Speaker 5: Test and the centuries and both in when you can't 94 00:05:08,853 --> 00:05:11,573 Speaker 5: argue with that. And I think just New Zealand's decision 95 00:05:11,653 --> 00:05:14,893 Speaker 5: to bat I think was bold and paid off in 96 00:05:15,013 --> 00:05:18,133 Speaker 5: that Third Test at the Mount with the spin towards 97 00:05:18,173 --> 00:05:21,333 Speaker 5: the end, and also just they're able to put the 98 00:05:21,373 --> 00:05:23,173 Speaker 5: big tone on the board with five seventy five, but 99 00:05:23,293 --> 00:05:25,133 Speaker 5: backed it up with some quick runs for the three 100 00:05:25,173 --> 00:05:27,173 Speaker 5: to zero six and the second innings and gave them 101 00:05:27,213 --> 00:05:28,653 Speaker 5: time at the West Indies. So I think it was 102 00:05:28,973 --> 00:05:32,013 Speaker 5: a well paced Test from their perspective and they can 103 00:05:32,093 --> 00:05:34,933 Speaker 5: take a bit from that. But yeah, it's yeah, we 104 00:05:35,013 --> 00:05:38,293 Speaker 5: look forward to those three cracking series now England and 105 00:05:38,333 --> 00:05:41,373 Speaker 5: Australia away but India at home, and that's hopefully came. 106 00:05:41,413 --> 00:05:43,813 Speaker 5: Winniams is going to be around for that that he's 107 00:05:43,853 --> 00:05:46,933 Speaker 5: able to put retirement prospects to one side and be 108 00:05:47,013 --> 00:05:47,773 Speaker 5: able to continue it. 109 00:05:47,853 --> 00:05:51,693 Speaker 3: In that regard, Jerry, the stars of the past twelve 110 00:05:51,773 --> 00:05:55,853 Speaker 3: months and you've mentioned them both. Jacob Duffy and Matt 111 00:05:55,893 --> 00:06:01,573 Speaker 3: Henry as spearheads of the attack. Which one rates higher 112 00:06:01,853 --> 00:06:04,013 Speaker 3: from your point of view, because both of them have 113 00:06:04,133 --> 00:06:06,773 Speaker 3: been significant contributors, haven't they. 114 00:06:07,213 --> 00:06:10,973 Speaker 6: I think as far as the bowling is concerned, Henry 115 00:06:11,093 --> 00:06:14,293 Speaker 6: is still the number one just because of his longevity. 116 00:06:16,253 --> 00:06:20,493 Speaker 6: He's a different kind of bowler from Duffy. Duffy is 117 00:06:20,573 --> 00:06:25,573 Speaker 6: able to swing the ball, he's taller, he gets more bounce, 118 00:06:26,493 --> 00:06:30,893 Speaker 6: so he's not quite as skiddy as Henry. Henry, however, 119 00:06:31,413 --> 00:06:33,853 Speaker 6: has done all the work and I think he would 120 00:06:33,933 --> 00:06:38,693 Speaker 6: still be the main bowler leading the attack, if you'll 121 00:06:38,773 --> 00:06:41,773 Speaker 6: really want to put it that way. I think also 122 00:06:41,973 --> 00:06:47,013 Speaker 6: those other names are very important as regards those next 123 00:06:47,093 --> 00:06:47,813 Speaker 6: three tours. 124 00:06:49,093 --> 00:06:53,133 Speaker 7: I think we need to very carefully. 125 00:06:54,453 --> 00:06:58,253 Speaker 6: Look at the way that we lost those players, and 126 00:06:58,413 --> 00:07:01,693 Speaker 6: why has Duffy been able to come through and bowl 127 00:07:01,853 --> 00:07:05,653 Speaker 6: long as spells seven eight overs and then come back 128 00:07:05,733 --> 00:07:10,573 Speaker 6: and still keep the pace up and still be able 129 00:07:10,653 --> 00:07:14,413 Speaker 6: to go to a variety of methods to test the batsman. 130 00:07:14,973 --> 00:07:16,733 Speaker 6: I just don't think we got it from the other 131 00:07:16,813 --> 00:07:19,453 Speaker 6: bowlers quite to the same extent. Interesting it was that 132 00:07:19,653 --> 00:07:24,453 Speaker 6: both Duffy and Ray are seasoned first class performers, they've got, 133 00:07:25,093 --> 00:07:29,253 Speaker 6: you know, time behind them, overs behind them, seasons behind them. 134 00:07:30,173 --> 00:07:32,693 Speaker 6: Folks didn't have that. He's come from a white ball 135 00:07:32,773 --> 00:07:37,253 Speaker 6: background a bit in the a cricket, but looked hooked 136 00:07:38,013 --> 00:07:40,213 Speaker 6: at the end. I also thought he bowled too wide 137 00:07:40,253 --> 00:07:42,573 Speaker 6: on the bowl increase, that he should have been in 138 00:07:42,693 --> 00:07:45,093 Speaker 6: closer and you don't have to swing it quite so much. 139 00:07:45,853 --> 00:07:49,013 Speaker 7: So I think there are you know, I'm not saying 140 00:07:49,173 --> 00:07:49,773 Speaker 7: he's out of it. 141 00:07:49,893 --> 00:07:53,653 Speaker 6: He's a young man and he may need to learn 142 00:07:53,733 --> 00:07:55,933 Speaker 6: to hold the batter bit more so that he can 143 00:07:56,013 --> 00:07:58,613 Speaker 6: give some runs and supply those in the lower order 144 00:07:59,333 --> 00:08:01,893 Speaker 6: as well as his bowling, because I don't think at 145 00:08:01,933 --> 00:08:04,813 Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty five to one hundred and thirty 146 00:08:05,613 --> 00:08:09,053 Speaker 6: at max he's going to be an open bowler. And 147 00:08:09,133 --> 00:08:10,933 Speaker 6: they wanted him to open the bowling because of the 148 00:08:10,973 --> 00:08:13,853 Speaker 6: new ball, so and they feel that there's not much 149 00:08:14,373 --> 00:08:18,413 Speaker 6: if the ball isn't new, So that actually compounds a 150 00:08:18,533 --> 00:08:22,333 Speaker 6: bit of his issue, I think, as far as agez 151 00:08:22,413 --> 00:08:25,773 Speaker 6: Butteller is concerning his inclusion, we got to try and 152 00:08:25,853 --> 00:08:30,333 Speaker 6: get a spinner somehow odds and my opinion, I'm not 153 00:08:30,453 --> 00:08:33,013 Speaker 6: sure whether you build the whole game around him the 154 00:08:33,093 --> 00:08:37,853 Speaker 6: way that we had to at Towonga and the Mount. 155 00:08:39,213 --> 00:08:40,213 Speaker 7: It was only when the. 156 00:08:40,253 --> 00:08:45,693 Speaker 6: Last day that the pitch started to blat and the 157 00:08:45,893 --> 00:08:49,693 Speaker 6: crack started to arrive that he really looked a danger 158 00:08:50,893 --> 00:08:52,533 Speaker 6: and then looked as if he was. 159 00:08:52,573 --> 00:08:55,533 Speaker 7: Going to bowl over the wicket for too long. 160 00:08:56,053 --> 00:08:58,413 Speaker 6: He's got to be coming around and beating people in 161 00:08:58,493 --> 00:09:01,613 Speaker 6: the air and then turn the ball past the bat. 162 00:09:02,053 --> 00:09:04,013 Speaker 7: That's the job of a left arm spinner. 163 00:09:05,253 --> 00:09:08,573 Speaker 6: And it seems to me that also the arm ball 164 00:09:08,653 --> 00:09:11,093 Speaker 6: for a left spinner, a left arm spinner has now 165 00:09:11,253 --> 00:09:14,533 Speaker 6: almost disappeared. I thought that would be quite a useful 166 00:09:14,613 --> 00:09:17,093 Speaker 6: delivery to have when he came around the wicket. 167 00:09:17,653 --> 00:09:21,093 Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting in as much as we did stretch the 168 00:09:21,133 --> 00:09:23,613 Speaker 3: bowling resources, didn't we Or have you been to the 169 00:09:25,613 --> 00:09:30,133 Speaker 3: series press conference? Any general thoughts from Rob Walter? 170 00:09:30,893 --> 00:09:33,333 Speaker 5: I think along those lines, particularly just that he was 171 00:09:33,373 --> 00:09:36,453 Speaker 5: impressed with how the depth was able to adapt in 172 00:09:36,533 --> 00:09:42,173 Speaker 5: those circumstances. He was asked that the Blundle Hay situation, 173 00:09:42,253 --> 00:09:44,213 Speaker 5: which I think is another interesting factor from the series, 174 00:09:44,293 --> 00:09:47,573 Speaker 5: that Mitch Hay is putting some pressure on there Tom Blundell, 175 00:09:47,653 --> 00:09:49,693 Speaker 5: but he's going to stick with Blundle for now, and 176 00:09:49,733 --> 00:09:52,133 Speaker 5: of course that does make some sense with how successful 177 00:09:52,573 --> 00:09:56,333 Speaker 5: Blundle was in England last time he was there, I 178 00:09:56,453 --> 00:09:59,173 Speaker 5: think too, just from a Rob Walter perspective, a chance 179 00:09:59,253 --> 00:10:01,853 Speaker 5: to get outside the shadow of Gary Stead now with 180 00:10:02,293 --> 00:10:07,173 Speaker 5: a first first World Test Championship points and outside of 181 00:10:07,173 --> 00:10:09,573 Speaker 5: a series against them, babe, and then just the spring 182 00:10:09,653 --> 00:10:12,533 Speaker 5: of cricket with all those rain effected games in October November. 183 00:10:13,213 --> 00:10:15,053 Speaker 2: And this is something that you know, meety, that he 184 00:10:15,093 --> 00:10:16,253 Speaker 2: can point to on his resume. 185 00:10:17,133 --> 00:10:19,533 Speaker 5: I think I was also impressied just how I could 186 00:10:19,533 --> 00:10:23,933 Speaker 5: see him and Tom Latham consulting each other in depth, 187 00:10:24,173 --> 00:10:26,813 Speaker 5: sort of looking at the at that pitch like a 188 00:10:26,853 --> 00:10:29,733 Speaker 5: couple of art historians looking at Da Vinci's last supper 189 00:10:29,773 --> 00:10:31,333 Speaker 5: ahead of the game to see whether they're going to 190 00:10:31,413 --> 00:10:35,133 Speaker 5: play a spinner or the pace option in Christian Clark 191 00:10:35,813 --> 00:10:36,933 Speaker 5: and I think they got that right. 192 00:10:37,053 --> 00:10:39,413 Speaker 2: So a few ticks and the Rod Bolder column there. 193 00:10:41,093 --> 00:10:44,613 Speaker 5: He was happy with how the batting had unfolded, and equally, 194 00:10:44,933 --> 00:10:48,813 Speaker 5: the dialogue continues with Williamson ahead of these upcoming tests, 195 00:10:48,853 --> 00:10:51,213 Speaker 5: hoping that he will stay in the Test game. 196 00:10:51,773 --> 00:10:55,053 Speaker 3: Yeah, Jerry, that hay Blundell won is an interesting one, 197 00:10:55,173 --> 00:11:00,133 Speaker 3: isn't it? Because you pick on batting ability to some 198 00:11:00,293 --> 00:11:01,933 Speaker 3: extend and you look at the teams around the world 199 00:11:01,973 --> 00:11:06,533 Speaker 3: batsman to the fore. But is that the prime requirement 200 00:11:06,613 --> 00:11:08,933 Speaker 3: batting or is it the ability to keep how good 201 00:11:08,973 --> 00:11:09,573 Speaker 3: the keeper is. 202 00:11:10,133 --> 00:11:12,613 Speaker 6: I think you're a keeper first and then you've become 203 00:11:13,253 --> 00:11:17,933 Speaker 6: very useful if you can do that adequately. Most of 204 00:11:18,013 --> 00:11:21,133 Speaker 6: our bowling tends to be seen based, so you're you're 205 00:11:21,253 --> 00:11:25,973 Speaker 6: generally standing back. Although after the carey kind of things 206 00:11:26,013 --> 00:11:28,853 Speaker 6: that we've seen in Australia and England, I mean it 207 00:11:28,973 --> 00:11:31,453 Speaker 6: may become more of a fashion and a way to 208 00:11:31,573 --> 00:11:36,493 Speaker 6: come up, which is certainly with batsmen like for example Mitchell. 209 00:11:37,453 --> 00:11:39,253 Speaker 6: You know, it keeps them at home and it allows 210 00:11:39,293 --> 00:11:42,453 Speaker 6: bowlers to bowl a length more consistently rather than change them. 211 00:11:43,853 --> 00:11:46,813 Speaker 6: As far as our batting was concerned, Wadds, I think both, 212 00:11:47,013 --> 00:11:48,733 Speaker 6: to be honest with you, as far as they, I 213 00:11:48,813 --> 00:11:51,933 Speaker 6: think Hay and Blunder will both go to England so 214 00:11:52,413 --> 00:11:54,773 Speaker 6: that there'll be more chance to look at that. 215 00:11:54,893 --> 00:11:55,213 Speaker 7: I think. 216 00:11:56,933 --> 00:12:00,853 Speaker 6: As far as Conway Lathan concerned, Conway, yes, they got 217 00:12:01,253 --> 00:12:04,613 Speaker 6: both of them got runs against what was a pretty 218 00:12:04,693 --> 00:12:07,773 Speaker 6: mediocre attack. To be honest, I know that well the 219 00:12:07,853 --> 00:12:11,373 Speaker 6: last and of course you didn't have roach rawch there 220 00:12:11,453 --> 00:12:16,453 Speaker 6: at all, and the rest seals kind of deteriorated. I 221 00:12:16,773 --> 00:12:19,773 Speaker 6: felt a bit with his line and length throughout the series. 222 00:12:20,213 --> 00:12:24,493 Speaker 6: Graves as a medium fast bowler. Only Phillips looks dangerous 223 00:12:24,613 --> 00:12:28,413 Speaker 6: deliveries occasional ones, but leaks runs in between. And then 224 00:12:28,493 --> 00:12:30,773 Speaker 6: Shields didn't play a heck of a lot did he. 225 00:12:31,773 --> 00:12:33,973 Speaker 6: But as far as the openers we're concerned. I still 226 00:12:34,053 --> 00:12:38,253 Speaker 6: don't think I thought that the defense of qualities of 227 00:12:38,373 --> 00:12:41,093 Speaker 6: Conway have gone completely. 228 00:12:41,493 --> 00:12:44,013 Speaker 7: They're still occurring around that sort of leg. 229 00:12:43,933 --> 00:12:47,293 Speaker 6: Stump line with one hand coming off the bat and 230 00:12:47,413 --> 00:12:49,613 Speaker 6: you can see with the bounce in Australia that may 231 00:12:50,133 --> 00:12:53,173 Speaker 6: may be an issue. I don't understand why players and 232 00:12:53,293 --> 00:12:56,573 Speaker 6: teams playing against US don't have a batpad those around 233 00:12:56,613 --> 00:12:59,533 Speaker 6: the area you know, where you hit the glove and 234 00:12:59,613 --> 00:13:00,933 Speaker 6: it goes off the body and it. 235 00:13:01,013 --> 00:13:05,133 Speaker 7: Can go you know, in the air. Lathan pretty similar, 236 00:13:05,693 --> 00:13:08,773 Speaker 7: you know, dogged solid lot. 237 00:13:08,893 --> 00:13:11,533 Speaker 6: Conway very good through the off side and the last 238 00:13:11,613 --> 00:13:15,453 Speaker 6: Test match looking a top quality player. Williamson not quite 239 00:13:15,533 --> 00:13:18,373 Speaker 6: the force that he has been, missing the ball a 240 00:13:18,413 --> 00:13:21,333 Speaker 6: little bit more, looked a bit more comfortable when they 241 00:13:21,373 --> 00:13:24,053 Speaker 6: were having to bowl wide and could play some shots 242 00:13:24,733 --> 00:13:28,373 Speaker 6: Ravendra aggressive cost him a couple of innings in the 243 00:13:28,573 --> 00:13:33,493 Speaker 6: in the series in between hit one hundred and seventy 244 00:13:33,893 --> 00:13:36,933 Speaker 6: and runs in the last match as well. Mitchell fairly solid. 245 00:13:37,453 --> 00:13:40,573 Speaker 6: So they will be the names we will see. I 246 00:13:40,653 --> 00:13:43,453 Speaker 6: don't think there's any doubt about that. The question in 247 00:13:43,533 --> 00:13:45,933 Speaker 6: my mind when we get to Australia, which is probably 248 00:13:46,013 --> 00:13:48,453 Speaker 6: the key to her I know it's a wee way away, 249 00:13:49,373 --> 00:13:52,293 Speaker 6: but do we take six batsmen and not play the 250 00:13:52,413 --> 00:13:56,253 Speaker 6: keepers as a sixth, play them as a seven and 251 00:13:56,373 --> 00:13:59,853 Speaker 6: it means that you then have one less bowler. I 252 00:13:59,933 --> 00:14:02,413 Speaker 6: think that that's going to be a question mark that 253 00:14:02,533 --> 00:14:03,933 Speaker 6: we'll need to sort of discuss. 254 00:14:04,013 --> 00:14:07,253 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, interesting staff orders because there's a hell 255 00:14:07,293 --> 00:14:09,373 Speaker 3: a lot of time between the next Test and they're 256 00:14:09,373 --> 00:14:10,893 Speaker 3: not going to have a lot of first class cricket. 257 00:14:10,933 --> 00:14:14,013 Speaker 3: I just to wonder how much the impact of first 258 00:14:14,093 --> 00:14:16,613 Speaker 3: class players are going to have on the selection process 259 00:14:16,773 --> 00:14:20,413 Speaker 3: further down the line. The likes of Hefe Mariu et cetera, 260 00:14:20,453 --> 00:14:23,853 Speaker 3: et cetera, those guys who've performed in the A's and 261 00:14:24,053 --> 00:14:25,893 Speaker 3: are going into the planket shield. 262 00:14:25,813 --> 00:14:27,613 Speaker 2: Still barring injury. 263 00:14:27,893 --> 00:14:30,533 Speaker 5: It's hard to see how they have all retirement it's 264 00:14:30,573 --> 00:14:33,173 Speaker 5: hard to see how they have any impact, to be honest, 265 00:14:34,093 --> 00:14:35,973 Speaker 5: given I think they will just settle for the status 266 00:14:36,093 --> 00:14:39,973 Speaker 5: quo from this series, as Jerry mentions here, perhaps taking 267 00:14:40,893 --> 00:14:43,413 Speaker 5: Mitch Hagh as well on that tour with with Blundele 268 00:14:43,493 --> 00:14:48,053 Speaker 5: to England. I think if there was a retirement with 269 00:14:48,293 --> 00:14:51,053 Speaker 5: Williams such, they'd probably just bring will Young in there. 270 00:14:52,613 --> 00:14:56,493 Speaker 2: Rather than maybe op for Mariu or Curtis Heathy, etc. 271 00:14:58,093 --> 00:15:01,333 Speaker 2: I think it'll be fairly stable looking ahead. 272 00:15:01,373 --> 00:15:03,093 Speaker 5: They're just trying to think of other Maybe, you know, 273 00:15:03,133 --> 00:15:05,613 Speaker 5: if they did bring back a Henry Nichols who has 274 00:15:05,733 --> 00:15:10,773 Speaker 5: been prolific with runs but is thirty four now Young 275 00:15:10,893 --> 00:15:14,733 Speaker 5: thirty three, So ultimately I mean with a plunket shield 276 00:15:14,813 --> 00:15:17,973 Speaker 5: this year, I think anyone could keep putting the runs. 277 00:15:17,733 --> 00:15:19,653 Speaker 2: On the boards regularly. 278 00:15:20,013 --> 00:15:22,173 Speaker 5: It almost becomes sort of a first drop idol in 279 00:15:22,213 --> 00:15:25,693 Speaker 5: a way. But maybe it's beyond those series that we're 280 00:15:25,733 --> 00:15:26,853 Speaker 5: coming up to in the next year. 281 00:15:27,693 --> 00:15:30,853 Speaker 3: Well, we've got white balls to throw in the year now, 282 00:15:31,053 --> 00:15:34,093 Speaker 3: so we can play with white balls for two or 283 00:15:34,133 --> 00:15:38,333 Speaker 3: three months. Jerry can put your feet up and wait 284 00:15:38,453 --> 00:15:42,093 Speaker 3: for the next red ball game by a New Zealand team. 285 00:15:43,013 --> 00:15:44,733 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's going to be a while, isn't it on? 286 00:15:45,493 --> 00:15:49,093 Speaker 6: It just shows how the white ball is kind of devouring, 287 00:15:49,173 --> 00:15:51,853 Speaker 6: and that's been a word that's used frequently, isn't it 288 00:15:52,213 --> 00:15:57,093 Speaker 6: the red ball game. Let's hope that the tests may 289 00:15:57,173 --> 00:15:59,773 Speaker 6: they continue a long time because a lot of people 290 00:15:59,973 --> 00:16:05,173 Speaker 6: do feel that that's what they regard as the principal format. 291 00:16:05,573 --> 00:16:07,613 Speaker 6: So where you find out about most of the players 292 00:16:08,333 --> 00:16:10,373 Speaker 6: and you find out what their defense is like, you 293 00:16:10,453 --> 00:16:14,333 Speaker 6: find out what their attacking abilities, how they solve problems 294 00:16:15,453 --> 00:16:17,813 Speaker 6: while the game is going on and they're batting out 295 00:16:17,813 --> 00:16:18,333 Speaker 6: in the middle. 296 00:16:18,853 --> 00:16:20,373 Speaker 4: So those. 297 00:16:22,213 --> 00:16:26,733 Speaker 6: Are It's the format I prefer. I'm guessing it might 298 00:16:26,813 --> 00:16:28,453 Speaker 6: be for both of you as well. But it's not 299 00:16:28,573 --> 00:16:32,013 Speaker 6: the format that makes money. So we need to think 300 00:16:32,093 --> 00:16:34,533 Speaker 6: of a new way of doing that. I think because 301 00:16:34,653 --> 00:16:37,573 Speaker 6: Test cricket, I think it should actually make money, to 302 00:16:37,653 --> 00:16:40,373 Speaker 6: be honest. We've just got to find a way of 303 00:16:40,533 --> 00:16:45,773 Speaker 6: doing that. So yeah, white ball, Yeah, okay, we can 304 00:16:45,853 --> 00:16:48,413 Speaker 6: live with that for a while, but I'm looking forward 305 00:16:48,413 --> 00:16:49,253 Speaker 6: to the next test. 306 00:16:49,133 --> 00:16:49,653 Speaker 7: When we get it. 307 00:16:50,093 --> 00:16:53,773 Speaker 2: Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the front foot. 308 00:16:54,173 --> 00:16:56,213 Speaker 3: The cream of our age group talent is about to 309 00:16:56,253 --> 00:16:58,933 Speaker 3: head off to Zimbabwe for the Under nineteen World Cup. 310 00:16:59,453 --> 00:17:02,453 Speaker 3: The team, captain by Otago's Tom James, will be coached 311 00:17:02,493 --> 00:17:06,733 Speaker 3: by high performance coaches Graham Aldridge and Paul Wiseman, and 312 00:17:06,813 --> 00:17:10,253 Speaker 3: headed by former Black Cap Anton Devsitch who joins us 313 00:17:10,413 --> 00:17:14,013 Speaker 3: on the front foot and Anton without stats and information 314 00:17:14,173 --> 00:17:16,773 Speaker 3: to back the view. Is it the strongest team in 315 00:17:16,893 --> 00:17:19,693 Speaker 3: terms of first class experience we've ever sent to the 316 00:17:19,733 --> 00:17:20,213 Speaker 3: world event. 317 00:17:20,693 --> 00:17:23,733 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I'll say you wouldn't be too far from 318 00:17:23,773 --> 00:17:26,333 Speaker 8: the truth there. We've had I think we've had five 319 00:17:26,733 --> 00:17:30,253 Speaker 8: players over the last well over this season that have 320 00:17:30,373 --> 00:17:35,173 Speaker 8: represented their major association unless stay cricket or first first 321 00:17:35,213 --> 00:17:39,213 Speaker 8: class cricket. So you know, it's just a good sign 322 00:17:39,293 --> 00:17:42,613 Speaker 8: for us that all of our emays and stuff doing 323 00:17:42,613 --> 00:17:46,213 Speaker 8: a really good job at that level where where they're 324 00:17:46,213 --> 00:17:48,213 Speaker 8: getting players ready to go a little bit earlier than 325 00:17:48,253 --> 00:17:50,373 Speaker 8: what they potentially once have. 326 00:17:51,973 --> 00:17:56,933 Speaker 3: Is it basically a package of players that represents what 327 00:17:57,093 --> 00:18:00,373 Speaker 3: we've got available at under nineteen in terms of those 328 00:18:00,373 --> 00:18:02,813 Speaker 3: who would have attended the under nineteen in christ Church? 329 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:07,933 Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, So basically we have the d the Das 330 00:18:07,973 --> 00:18:10,173 Speaker 8: women in here and chross Church, which we had a 331 00:18:10,213 --> 00:18:12,853 Speaker 8: few of them not there because of first class duty 332 00:18:14,493 --> 00:18:18,093 Speaker 8: and we also went out to the das throughout the 333 00:18:18,133 --> 00:18:20,893 Speaker 8: winter and so it has got to one of the 334 00:18:21,973 --> 00:18:25,333 Speaker 8: sorry regarding certain players and whatnot. And we had five 335 00:18:25,453 --> 00:18:28,173 Speaker 8: or six camps during the winter just to get to 336 00:18:28,253 --> 00:18:31,413 Speaker 8: know players a little bit better and see what was 337 00:18:31,533 --> 00:18:35,093 Speaker 8: gone around the country at that time, and it was 338 00:18:35,133 --> 00:18:37,653 Speaker 8: a really good start. We built some good relationships and 339 00:18:38,053 --> 00:18:41,853 Speaker 8: found out a lot about some players before the tournament 340 00:18:41,973 --> 00:18:42,693 Speaker 8: even started. 341 00:18:42,813 --> 00:18:47,893 Speaker 9: So you know, those tournaments pop around and sometimes. 342 00:18:48,973 --> 00:18:51,053 Speaker 8: The players get a little bit a little bit gun 343 00:18:51,133 --> 00:18:54,853 Speaker 8: shy and don't show their true colors. Where we've had 344 00:18:54,893 --> 00:18:57,053 Speaker 8: a good six to eight month period where we've got 345 00:18:57,093 --> 00:18:59,413 Speaker 8: to know their true colors before this tournament, so we 346 00:18:59,493 --> 00:19:00,733 Speaker 8: could see past that a little bit. 347 00:19:01,613 --> 00:19:03,333 Speaker 3: Yeah, it comes with a good time too, because our 348 00:19:03,413 --> 00:19:05,653 Speaker 3: players are all playing cricket at the moment. Sometimes you 349 00:19:05,693 --> 00:19:08,013 Speaker 3: get off season, don't you. But now you've got players 350 00:19:08,053 --> 00:19:11,293 Speaker 3: who in the middle of their form. 351 00:19:11,173 --> 00:19:15,373 Speaker 8: Period absolutely, and most of the players are playing a 352 00:19:15,413 --> 00:19:17,933 Speaker 8: really high high level of cricket. If they haven't played 353 00:19:18,173 --> 00:19:20,853 Speaker 8: first class cricket or the day cricket, the majority of 354 00:19:20,893 --> 00:19:25,813 Speaker 8: them are playing NBA level or itago a level and 355 00:19:26,293 --> 00:19:29,013 Speaker 8: they're getting heaps of opportunity opportunities through. 356 00:19:30,533 --> 00:19:32,973 Speaker 9: Certain tournaments that them as run. 357 00:19:33,733 --> 00:19:36,013 Speaker 8: A couple of weeks ago there was a big t 358 00:19:36,213 --> 00:19:39,613 Speaker 8: twenty m a tournament TAPO which quite a large number 359 00:19:39,693 --> 00:19:42,973 Speaker 8: of the guys that have been selected were playing. So 360 00:19:43,053 --> 00:19:48,493 Speaker 8: they're consistently playing against men and people of their sort 361 00:19:48,533 --> 00:19:52,213 Speaker 8: of of their calibers. So it's really good to put 362 00:19:52,253 --> 00:19:55,893 Speaker 8: them up against up against men in particular because the 363 00:19:56,253 --> 00:19:58,173 Speaker 8: caliber of people would be playing the World Cup will 364 00:19:58,213 --> 00:20:00,853 Speaker 8: be slightly high, and then what school cricket and stuff 365 00:20:00,853 --> 00:20:01,613 Speaker 8: like that would be here. 366 00:20:03,053 --> 00:20:05,653 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the interesting thing of course, because you don't 367 00:20:05,733 --> 00:20:07,693 Speaker 3: know what you're up against to do you in terms 368 00:20:07,733 --> 00:20:10,533 Speaker 3: of the opposite. You may know what sort of conditions 369 00:20:10,573 --> 00:20:14,573 Speaker 3: you're going to play and in terms of pitchers and grounds, 370 00:20:15,213 --> 00:20:18,893 Speaker 3: but the opposition is an unknown quality for a start off, 371 00:20:19,013 --> 00:20:19,253 Speaker 3: isn't it. 372 00:20:20,613 --> 00:20:20,853 Speaker 9: Wow? 373 00:20:20,973 --> 00:20:24,053 Speaker 8: Yes, and that The internet's a wonderful thing and we've 374 00:20:24,133 --> 00:20:27,133 Speaker 8: managed to find quite a bit of footage, particularly on 375 00:20:27,613 --> 00:20:31,853 Speaker 8: the Asian teams. They've played a large number of games 376 00:20:31,973 --> 00:20:33,133 Speaker 8: leading up to this World Cup. 377 00:20:33,253 --> 00:20:36,413 Speaker 9: Some have played thirty plus over the two year cycles. 378 00:20:36,533 --> 00:20:40,093 Speaker 8: So most of those games are on TV and we've 379 00:20:40,133 --> 00:20:43,773 Speaker 8: got access to all those through New Zealand cricket and 380 00:20:43,893 --> 00:20:48,053 Speaker 8: the work they do. Analysis wise, the Australians England are 381 00:20:48,093 --> 00:20:50,453 Speaker 8: the same, so we do have a little bit more 382 00:20:50,493 --> 00:20:53,173 Speaker 8: information about them than what we probably did ten to 383 00:20:53,253 --> 00:20:54,093 Speaker 8: fifteen years ago. 384 00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:57,973 Speaker 9: So it's just it's just another tool for us to sort. 385 00:20:57,813 --> 00:20:59,853 Speaker 8: Of look into, I guess in terms of when we 386 00:20:59,933 --> 00:21:02,493 Speaker 8: get over there, giving the guys as much information as 387 00:21:02,573 --> 00:21:07,933 Speaker 8: possible so there's no surprises. Ultimately, we're going to focus 388 00:21:07,973 --> 00:21:10,933 Speaker 8: on what you do well as kiwis and it's an 389 00:21:10,973 --> 00:21:15,013 Speaker 8: experience for them to to get a taste of what 390 00:21:15,293 --> 00:21:17,853 Speaker 8: touring as an international team actually is. 391 00:21:18,013 --> 00:21:22,213 Speaker 3: Like, Yeah, and I guess you've got players who've been 392 00:21:22,333 --> 00:21:24,853 Speaker 3: to Zimbabwe in the past that you can tap in 393 00:21:24,973 --> 00:21:27,533 Speaker 3: on in terms of conditions. We watch from here and 394 00:21:28,453 --> 00:21:30,853 Speaker 3: get the feeling that their conditions are pretty similar to 395 00:21:30,933 --> 00:21:32,053 Speaker 3: what we play on here. 396 00:21:32,333 --> 00:21:35,293 Speaker 8: Have you been able to gauge that, Yeah, were the 397 00:21:35,293 --> 00:21:37,933 Speaker 8: Black Keeps wherever they're not so long ago, so there's 398 00:21:37,973 --> 00:21:41,013 Speaker 8: there's been a little bit of feedback regarding that, albeit. 399 00:21:42,213 --> 00:21:44,453 Speaker 9: They may have played play a different grounds is what 400 00:21:44,573 --> 00:21:45,053 Speaker 9: we're going to. 401 00:21:45,813 --> 00:21:48,013 Speaker 8: We've got a couple of coaches over there that have 402 00:21:48,173 --> 00:21:51,253 Speaker 8: coached in New Zealand, so we do have we do 403 00:21:51,413 --> 00:21:53,453 Speaker 8: have some good contacts over there, and we've had some 404 00:21:53,573 --> 00:21:56,053 Speaker 8: information regarding the wickets about how they're going to play 405 00:21:56,093 --> 00:22:00,133 Speaker 8: in and that that that just that type stuff really, 406 00:22:00,693 --> 00:22:02,213 Speaker 8: but ultimately it is going to be a little bit 407 00:22:02,253 --> 00:22:05,813 Speaker 8: different to what we do do get here. So that's 408 00:22:05,853 --> 00:22:08,853 Speaker 8: the cool thing about this group that we've got. It's 409 00:22:08,853 --> 00:22:11,653 Speaker 8: about them and Justine and they've all got the games 410 00:22:11,733 --> 00:22:15,373 Speaker 8: to do it. You know, some of them are playing 411 00:22:15,413 --> 00:22:17,173 Speaker 8: in the Target, some of the are playing up in Auckland, 412 00:22:17,253 --> 00:22:20,453 Speaker 8: and and they come up against each different conditions as 413 00:22:20,493 --> 00:22:20,693 Speaker 8: it is. 414 00:22:20,813 --> 00:22:24,013 Speaker 9: So it's just adapting and trying to put your best 415 00:22:24,013 --> 00:22:24,493 Speaker 9: foot forward. 416 00:22:25,253 --> 00:22:27,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess you look at them as a squad. 417 00:22:27,533 --> 00:22:30,173 Speaker 3: I from the outside have seen some of the players play, 418 00:22:30,373 --> 00:22:33,733 Speaker 3: and there's some pretty well performed individuals within your squad, 419 00:22:33,773 --> 00:22:34,053 Speaker 3: isn't it? 420 00:22:35,453 --> 00:22:36,933 Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely? 421 00:22:37,013 --> 00:22:40,773 Speaker 8: And I'd like to think the squad that we've we've 422 00:22:40,893 --> 00:22:45,973 Speaker 8: picked there, there isn't really a standout. They come they've 423 00:22:46,013 --> 00:22:49,493 Speaker 8: come together really well as a team, and I look 424 00:22:49,533 --> 00:22:51,973 Speaker 8: across the whole squad and there's people that can affect 425 00:22:52,013 --> 00:22:53,693 Speaker 8: the game, which which is what you want. You don't 426 00:22:53,693 --> 00:22:56,133 Speaker 8: want to put too much pressure on on the players 427 00:22:56,173 --> 00:22:58,493 Speaker 8: that that that have probably played higher on us. You 428 00:22:58,653 --> 00:23:01,133 Speaker 8: just want them to enjoy the experience and just do 429 00:23:01,333 --> 00:23:05,093 Speaker 8: what they what they do for them as so, I'm 430 00:23:05,133 --> 00:23:09,333 Speaker 8: relatively confident with a group of really mature group. They're 431 00:23:09,333 --> 00:23:11,493 Speaker 8: a lot much mature than what I was when I 432 00:23:11,573 --> 00:23:13,933 Speaker 8: was playing in the n Z nineteen stuff. They're just 433 00:23:14,093 --> 00:23:17,053 Speaker 8: so much more developed and they've played a high level 434 00:23:17,093 --> 00:23:20,093 Speaker 8: of cricket, so it should bide. 435 00:23:20,133 --> 00:23:21,253 Speaker 9: Well, Yeah, do you. 436 00:23:21,293 --> 00:23:23,013 Speaker 3: Set a goal for the I mean, everybody wants to 437 00:23:23,053 --> 00:23:26,093 Speaker 3: win the tournament, don't they Have you got any initial 438 00:23:26,173 --> 00:23:29,813 Speaker 3: goals that you want to set in terms of achievement? 439 00:23:31,533 --> 00:23:33,373 Speaker 9: I mean, you know, the goal is always to win 440 00:23:33,453 --> 00:23:36,453 Speaker 9: games of cricket. That's in our DNA. 441 00:23:37,933 --> 00:23:41,933 Speaker 8: But from New Zealand Cricket's point of view, it's because 442 00:23:41,973 --> 00:23:43,693 Speaker 8: we don't get the volume and we might not have 443 00:23:44,013 --> 00:23:48,333 Speaker 8: the resource that other teams have. It's about, I guess, 444 00:23:48,533 --> 00:23:52,293 Speaker 8: giving them the experience and fast tracking them as quickly 445 00:23:52,413 --> 00:23:56,133 Speaker 8: as we can in terms of professional cricketers and teaching 446 00:23:56,213 --> 00:23:58,733 Speaker 8: them the things that they need to know to be 447 00:23:58,813 --> 00:24:01,413 Speaker 8: a successful first class cricketer first and foremost here in 448 00:24:01,453 --> 00:24:04,373 Speaker 8: New Zealand, and hopefully if they do that really well, 449 00:24:04,693 --> 00:24:08,253 Speaker 8: they bode well for international cricket. So there's a lot 450 00:24:08,493 --> 00:24:13,173 Speaker 8: foundation stuff that we're trying to do, standards and all 451 00:24:13,213 --> 00:24:15,333 Speaker 8: that sort of stuff. Where we said it is really 452 00:24:15,373 --> 00:24:17,213 Speaker 8: important as KEYWI is that we need to get this 453 00:24:17,333 --> 00:24:20,653 Speaker 8: into these sort of standards into the players as young 454 00:24:20,693 --> 00:24:22,813 Speaker 8: as we can so they can play first class cricket 455 00:24:23,293 --> 00:24:25,093 Speaker 8: for a long period of time and not just be 456 00:24:25,253 --> 00:24:26,733 Speaker 8: one or two season type players. 457 00:24:27,773 --> 00:24:29,813 Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been successful at that. I mean, players like 458 00:24:29,853 --> 00:24:34,893 Speaker 3: yourself and others have come through and achieved international level 459 00:24:35,813 --> 00:24:39,533 Speaker 3: experience and performance. And I guess that's the most important 460 00:24:39,573 --> 00:24:43,373 Speaker 3: thing because it is a vital age group level, isn't 461 00:24:43,373 --> 00:24:45,013 Speaker 3: it in terms of our future development? 462 00:24:46,213 --> 00:24:46,493 Speaker 7: It is. 463 00:24:46,653 --> 00:24:50,213 Speaker 8: Yeah, And like I said a little bit earlier, there's 464 00:24:50,253 --> 00:24:54,173 Speaker 8: so much more mature and advanced as what we were ten, fifteen, 465 00:24:54,213 --> 00:24:54,893 Speaker 8: twenty years ago. 466 00:24:56,573 --> 00:24:59,453 Speaker 9: And that's down to the job in New Zealand. 467 00:24:59,253 --> 00:25:03,653 Speaker 8: Cricket doing in terms of, you know, making the mays 468 00:25:04,013 --> 00:25:08,053 Speaker 8: accountable and having good structures around these players from an 469 00:25:08,053 --> 00:25:10,813 Speaker 8: earlier age. You know, some of these some of these 470 00:25:10,853 --> 00:25:13,893 Speaker 8: players that are in this team have been in academies 471 00:25:13,933 --> 00:25:17,213 Speaker 8: for three to four years with their their major association 472 00:25:17,413 --> 00:25:20,173 Speaker 8: and the people the people that are in those major 473 00:25:20,213 --> 00:25:24,293 Speaker 8: associations are doing good job and trying to I guess, 474 00:25:24,453 --> 00:25:27,973 Speaker 8: enhance these players and get them get them fast tracked 475 00:25:27,973 --> 00:25:32,013 Speaker 8: as quickly as we can. And on the on the 476 00:25:32,053 --> 00:25:35,453 Speaker 8: flip side to it, I guess the one thing that 477 00:25:36,213 --> 00:25:38,853 Speaker 8: that we all want to see as people playing a 478 00:25:39,013 --> 00:25:42,493 Speaker 8: large volume of cricket and a high level of cricket. 479 00:25:42,613 --> 00:25:46,013 Speaker 8: And there's more school teams playing in senior senior men's 480 00:25:46,053 --> 00:25:49,133 Speaker 8: competitions around the country at the moment, particularly your bigger skills, 481 00:25:49,933 --> 00:25:52,733 Speaker 8: and from my point of view, it's a it's a 482 00:25:52,813 --> 00:25:55,293 Speaker 8: really good test for them and that's probably. 483 00:25:55,013 --> 00:25:57,293 Speaker 9: One of the main reasons why they are so advanced. 484 00:25:58,653 --> 00:26:02,933 Speaker 3: And do you need players with all round experience because 485 00:26:03,013 --> 00:26:06,573 Speaker 3: we've only got fifteen and you come across a pitch 486 00:26:06,693 --> 00:26:09,533 Speaker 3: that might be a very good pitch on day one, 487 00:26:10,293 --> 00:26:12,413 Speaker 3: but the block might get used to three, four or 488 00:26:12,493 --> 00:26:15,933 Speaker 3: five times. You need another type of cricketer, a spinner 489 00:26:16,053 --> 00:26:18,573 Speaker 3: or a receiver or whatever to fill your side. So 490 00:26:18,653 --> 00:26:21,733 Speaker 3: you've got to have players that cover all eventualities. 491 00:26:22,653 --> 00:26:26,333 Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, we're basically a selection the selection sort. 492 00:26:26,173 --> 00:26:30,293 Speaker 8: Of criteria that we've gone through as you would for 493 00:26:30,333 --> 00:26:34,133 Speaker 8: an international tour. You know, they've got their formulas on 494 00:26:34,213 --> 00:26:36,693 Speaker 8: how many you know, seemas that we need for a 495 00:26:36,733 --> 00:26:39,053 Speaker 8: tool like this, or how many spinners would likely take 496 00:26:39,133 --> 00:26:42,173 Speaker 8: on an international tour, and how many rounders, how many batters, 497 00:26:42,213 --> 00:26:44,813 Speaker 8: what could keepers, et cetera. So it's been a pretty 498 00:26:44,893 --> 00:26:52,093 Speaker 8: robust selection sort of I guess criteria or selection style 499 00:26:52,253 --> 00:26:54,493 Speaker 8: that we've gone through, which has been really good learning 500 00:26:54,533 --> 00:26:57,693 Speaker 8: from my point of view, just to see that how 501 00:26:57,773 --> 00:27:02,173 Speaker 8: in depth New Zealand Cricket actually goes into selecting these 502 00:27:02,213 --> 00:27:04,333 Speaker 8: tour teams. It's not just them pick them out of 503 00:27:04,373 --> 00:27:06,533 Speaker 8: the hat and whoever's playing best sort of gets in. 504 00:27:07,253 --> 00:27:12,093 Speaker 8: It's you've got to cover basis and and the thing 505 00:27:12,133 --> 00:27:13,333 Speaker 8: that we picks no different to that. 506 00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:16,013 Speaker 3: You've got a couple of experience mates to help you 507 00:27:16,013 --> 00:27:17,973 Speaker 3: out to Graham Albridge that you've probably played with and 508 00:27:18,453 --> 00:27:20,973 Speaker 3: Paul Wiseman who's been the high performance coach for a 509 00:27:21,013 --> 00:27:23,733 Speaker 3: period of time, and they are going to be invaluable 510 00:27:23,773 --> 00:27:26,973 Speaker 3: for you in terms of the development of these players. 511 00:27:27,813 --> 00:27:28,013 Speaker 7: Yeah. 512 00:27:29,053 --> 00:27:31,853 Speaker 8: I mean Graham Auders have played with for fifteen years 513 00:27:31,893 --> 00:27:34,213 Speaker 8: and I know him well and how he operates and 514 00:27:34,973 --> 00:27:38,373 Speaker 8: he's the perfect man for this age group of cricketers. 515 00:27:38,453 --> 00:27:42,173 Speaker 8: He can he can adapt to to sort of their style, 516 00:27:42,453 --> 00:27:45,813 Speaker 8: and you know, there's there's parts of it where you've 517 00:27:45,813 --> 00:27:47,813 Speaker 8: got to be compassionate for them because they're learning, and 518 00:27:48,693 --> 00:27:50,893 Speaker 8: you've got to give them. You give them a hug 519 00:27:51,013 --> 00:27:54,933 Speaker 8: one day and a slightly difficult message message the next. 520 00:27:55,093 --> 00:27:56,973 Speaker 8: And he's you know, he's done it for a long 521 00:27:56,973 --> 00:27:59,493 Speaker 8: period of time now with New Zealand cricket, and so 522 00:27:59,693 --> 00:28:02,413 Speaker 8: too is Paul Wiseman. Paul Wiseman, he is he's kind 523 00:28:02,413 --> 00:28:05,893 Speaker 8: of the godfather of this sort of this area in 524 00:28:05,933 --> 00:28:08,893 Speaker 8: New Zealand cricket. When I first turned the amount of 525 00:28:08,893 --> 00:28:12,613 Speaker 8: players that he knew and knew about, I was really 526 00:28:13,293 --> 00:28:16,773 Speaker 8: surprised and amazed. And he does a really good job 527 00:28:16,853 --> 00:28:19,933 Speaker 8: and trying to be across as many cricketers as you can. 528 00:28:21,133 --> 00:28:23,053 Speaker 3: You've got a fairly big CV. Did you ever end 529 00:28:23,133 --> 00:28:25,533 Speaker 3: up playing in Zimbabwe? I've been there a few times 530 00:28:25,533 --> 00:28:28,133 Speaker 3: and I'll tell you what, they're very hospitable and very 531 00:28:28,213 --> 00:28:30,613 Speaker 3: sociable people. They will look after you. 532 00:28:31,333 --> 00:28:32,213 Speaker 9: Yes, No, there was. 533 00:28:32,573 --> 00:28:36,213 Speaker 8: Honestly, that's probably one of the places that I haven't been. Zimbabwe. 534 00:28:37,453 --> 00:28:40,213 Speaker 8: Got a couple of mates, a couple of coaches, Trevor 535 00:28:40,293 --> 00:28:43,253 Speaker 8: Penny and a few others that I've cross path with 536 00:28:44,453 --> 00:28:46,453 Speaker 8: over the years and they told me. 537 00:28:46,493 --> 00:28:47,933 Speaker 9: Wonderful things about Zimbabwe. 538 00:28:48,133 --> 00:28:50,453 Speaker 8: So I'm really looking forward to you know, there's something 539 00:28:50,573 --> 00:28:54,893 Speaker 8: new and we'll enjoy ourselves over there. We will experience 540 00:28:55,053 --> 00:28:58,493 Speaker 8: the culture as much as as much as we can. 541 00:28:58,693 --> 00:29:01,373 Speaker 8: But yeah, I'm really looking forward to it, and I 542 00:29:01,493 --> 00:29:04,373 Speaker 8: know I know the team where we've only we've only 543 00:29:04,413 --> 00:29:05,933 Speaker 8: got to wait a few more, few more days. 544 00:29:05,973 --> 00:29:08,853 Speaker 9: We've gone the second of January, so look forward to it. 545 00:29:09,333 --> 00:29:11,413 Speaker 3: You're out pretty quick and I think you warm up 546 00:29:11,533 --> 00:29:13,493 Speaker 3: games are at Queen's Club in Bulaweo. 547 00:29:14,053 --> 00:29:15,693 Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, we've got a couple. We've got a couple 548 00:29:15,693 --> 00:29:17,613 Speaker 9: of games, warm up games, which is really good. 549 00:29:18,933 --> 00:29:22,213 Speaker 8: We're going a little bit earlier than what the ICC 550 00:29:22,613 --> 00:29:24,893 Speaker 8: sort of the part that they take over. 551 00:29:24,973 --> 00:29:25,973 Speaker 9: We're going to bed a week early. 552 00:29:26,053 --> 00:29:27,613 Speaker 8: And you see Cricket have got us over there so 553 00:29:27,733 --> 00:29:29,813 Speaker 8: we can just get a few more days of preparation, 554 00:29:31,533 --> 00:29:32,533 Speaker 8: which is great. 555 00:29:33,013 --> 00:29:34,733 Speaker 9: We don't have to rush into it over there. 556 00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:36,373 Speaker 8: We can let the boys get over the gym lag 557 00:29:36,493 --> 00:29:40,733 Speaker 8: and do all the right things from a professional side 558 00:29:40,773 --> 00:29:45,613 Speaker 8: of things, and once those games start will make we'll 559 00:29:45,653 --> 00:29:46,893 Speaker 8: make good progress. 560 00:29:46,853 --> 00:29:49,053 Speaker 3: Well and ton we look forward to seeing you at 561 00:29:49,053 --> 00:29:52,213 Speaker 3: the final and the sixth of February with good performances 562 00:29:52,253 --> 00:29:53,813 Speaker 3: behind you, which you are all the very best, and 563 00:29:54,413 --> 00:29:56,173 Speaker 3: hope things go according to plan for you. 564 00:29:56,413 --> 00:29:58,013 Speaker 9: Thanks very much, look forward to it. 565 00:29:58,773 --> 00:30:01,413 Speaker 3: Thanks Anton. And I suppose from one point, Jerry, you've 566 00:30:01,413 --> 00:30:03,973 Speaker 3: got to be proud as a grandfather that your grandson's 567 00:30:04,173 --> 00:30:07,413 Speaker 3: leading the side. But a different era, isn't it in 568 00:30:07,493 --> 00:30:09,973 Speaker 3: a different challenge for a young player. 569 00:30:10,613 --> 00:30:15,893 Speaker 7: Oh yes, he's a good boy, Tom. He's had the game, 570 00:30:16,693 --> 00:30:18,773 Speaker 7: you know, a long time now, all his life. 571 00:30:18,893 --> 00:30:24,853 Speaker 6: Really, he's a thoughtful boy and he's he's looking forward 572 00:30:24,893 --> 00:30:26,973 Speaker 6: to He was there last year, didn't do quite so 573 00:30:27,093 --> 00:30:30,733 Speaker 6: well and he's keen to rectify all that this time. 574 00:30:32,933 --> 00:30:35,733 Speaker 7: They've lost I think a spinner just in the last 575 00:30:35,853 --> 00:30:37,973 Speaker 7: day which will hurt them. 576 00:30:38,013 --> 00:30:42,013 Speaker 6: I think a leg spinner who's got injured with a 577 00:30:42,133 --> 00:30:43,373 Speaker 6: backstress fracture. 578 00:30:43,413 --> 00:30:47,253 Speaker 7: I think so that's a bit of a blow. They play. 579 00:30:47,453 --> 00:30:51,173 Speaker 6: I think there are four groups, sex groups something like. 580 00:30:51,213 --> 00:30:54,053 Speaker 6: There are quite a few teams wads. I know New 581 00:30:54,133 --> 00:30:59,573 Speaker 6: Zealand play the US USA first. I'm not sure they 582 00:30:59,653 --> 00:31:03,173 Speaker 6: might play Bangladesh as well in the lead up, and 583 00:31:03,253 --> 00:31:05,933 Speaker 6: then they sort of filter into a sort of a 584 00:31:06,053 --> 00:31:07,093 Speaker 6: super eight, don't they. 585 00:31:08,573 --> 00:31:10,413 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I've got India to play as well, so 586 00:31:11,093 --> 00:31:12,613 Speaker 3: that it would be a tough one for them, isn't it. 587 00:31:13,493 --> 00:31:16,613 Speaker 6: Yeah, So two would go through from that group. New 588 00:31:16,693 --> 00:31:18,933 Speaker 6: Zealand obviously would like to be amongst that. 589 00:31:20,133 --> 00:31:24,013 Speaker 3: In the past, under nineteen players and allers have come 590 00:31:24,093 --> 00:31:26,173 Speaker 3: through into the Test match arena, and you know, we 591 00:31:26,253 --> 00:31:29,373 Speaker 3: could name a whole lot of them, but it is 592 00:31:29,413 --> 00:31:33,413 Speaker 3: as important, I think as the a program that New 593 00:31:33,493 --> 00:31:36,813 Speaker 3: Zealand producers now because you know, this is the this 594 00:31:37,013 --> 00:31:39,213 Speaker 3: is the real development stage that we've got to put 595 00:31:39,213 --> 00:31:40,293 Speaker 3: a lot of effort into, isn't it. 596 00:31:41,613 --> 00:31:41,733 Speaker 6: Oh? 597 00:31:41,773 --> 00:31:42,013 Speaker 7: It is. 598 00:31:42,173 --> 00:31:45,213 Speaker 5: And I've followed nine teams with quite some degree of 599 00:31:45,253 --> 00:31:48,453 Speaker 5: interests over the years, having been a liaison officer for 600 00:31:48,493 --> 00:31:50,893 Speaker 5: the Canadian team actually at the two thousand and two event, 601 00:31:51,013 --> 00:31:53,533 Speaker 5: I might add back in the day, and that was 602 00:31:53,573 --> 00:31:57,613 Speaker 5: a fascinating experience seeing it up close. And yeah, you've 603 00:31:57,653 --> 00:32:00,653 Speaker 5: seen well the likes and I suppose Kane Williamson to 604 00:32:01,293 --> 00:32:04,213 Speaker 5: the Trent Bolt, all these players have come through those 605 00:32:04,333 --> 00:32:06,973 Speaker 5: ranks and eventually ended up in the Test game. 606 00:32:07,693 --> 00:32:09,373 Speaker 2: It can be the be a few hiccups as well. 607 00:32:09,413 --> 00:32:11,253 Speaker 5: I think I seem to record he's getting beaten by 608 00:32:11,533 --> 00:32:13,813 Speaker 5: Paul maybe or at one stage a few years back 609 00:32:14,653 --> 00:32:18,653 Speaker 5: where the best memory country at that level, there's not 610 00:32:18,693 --> 00:32:22,293 Speaker 5: always the video analysis I suppose that you need before 611 00:32:22,293 --> 00:32:24,373 Speaker 5: you go away to such tournament because people coming onto 612 00:32:24,413 --> 00:32:27,693 Speaker 5: the scene for the first time Zimbabwe and the Ybia. 613 00:32:27,693 --> 00:32:30,573 Speaker 5: That'll be a fascinating adventure for those chaps over there. 614 00:32:30,613 --> 00:32:32,773 Speaker 5: I would have thought as well, just going into an 615 00:32:32,893 --> 00:32:37,373 Speaker 5: unfamiliar environment and I'm fascinated the seeming. Obviously, Tom is 616 00:32:37,373 --> 00:32:39,893 Speaker 5: probably the highest profile player in former head boy at 617 00:32:39,973 --> 00:32:43,453 Speaker 5: Auckland Grammar, et cetera, is to leading the team and 618 00:32:43,533 --> 00:32:46,733 Speaker 5: now with a targo as to how he goes, I've 619 00:32:46,773 --> 00:32:47,293 Speaker 5: watched a few. 620 00:32:47,613 --> 00:32:49,173 Speaker 2: Videos of him, a couple of interviews as well. 621 00:32:49,253 --> 00:32:52,893 Speaker 5: He speaks well, so he's certainly a player of some 622 00:32:53,053 --> 00:32:56,853 Speaker 5: profile at less than those ranks coming through And yeah, 623 00:32:57,013 --> 00:33:00,733 Speaker 5: just it's always great to see those younger players making 624 00:33:00,813 --> 00:33:03,813 Speaker 5: their way in the world of cricket and seeing I 625 00:33:03,893 --> 00:33:06,093 Speaker 5: guess how their careers unfold after this. 626 00:33:06,853 --> 00:33:10,493 Speaker 7: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cony on the front foot. 627 00:33:10,733 --> 00:33:13,973 Speaker 3: If Test cricket isn't making money in Australia, there's something wrong. 628 00:33:14,053 --> 00:33:17,773 Speaker 3: Because they had about one hundred and fifty thousand. I 629 00:33:17,813 --> 00:33:22,853 Speaker 3: think at the Adelaide Test, and there's poems coming from 630 00:33:23,013 --> 00:33:25,973 Speaker 3: far and wide to have a Christmas holiday with nothing 631 00:33:26,053 --> 00:33:29,933 Speaker 3: to play for all, because while they played some good 632 00:33:29,973 --> 00:33:32,493 Speaker 3: cricket during that series, they were generally woeful in the 633 00:33:32,573 --> 00:33:33,693 Speaker 3: important areas, weren't they. 634 00:33:34,213 --> 00:33:34,613 Speaker 9: England. 635 00:33:35,533 --> 00:33:38,093 Speaker 5: Let me just take a really deep breath. Yeah, I 636 00:33:38,213 --> 00:33:41,173 Speaker 5: mean that was just I'm just I'm still thinking that, 637 00:33:41,293 --> 00:33:43,893 Speaker 5: Harry Brookshott. I mean, I just think for such a 638 00:33:44,093 --> 00:33:48,693 Speaker 5: talented player, it just absolutely guts me that someone can 639 00:33:48,733 --> 00:33:53,013 Speaker 5: perform that shot in against the bowler of Lyons experience 640 00:33:53,453 --> 00:33:56,293 Speaker 5: and it probably symbolizes the serious me. I mean, they 641 00:33:56,373 --> 00:33:58,693 Speaker 5: have played some good cricket, but you know it's over 642 00:33:58,773 --> 00:34:02,013 Speaker 5: inside eleven days, and that's really if you're investing your 643 00:34:02,053 --> 00:34:04,893 Speaker 5: money to go out to Australia, you want more than that. 644 00:34:05,253 --> 00:34:07,213 Speaker 2: I mean, having said that, you mentioned about the crowds. 645 00:34:07,453 --> 00:34:10,013 Speaker 5: The contrast, I was disappointed with the bay Oval crowd 646 00:34:11,013 --> 00:34:13,973 Speaker 5: just you know, you're really they were struggling to fill 647 00:34:14,373 --> 00:34:17,253 Speaker 5: the embankments there over a few days and you looked 648 00:34:17,293 --> 00:34:19,093 Speaker 5: at it and compared it to add Lady and that 649 00:34:19,293 --> 00:34:24,253 Speaker 5: was absolutely pumping people just standing and just roaring appreciation 650 00:34:24,453 --> 00:34:26,893 Speaker 5: for the Test game, which is just all what I'm about. 651 00:34:27,493 --> 00:34:30,893 Speaker 5: And I think that in the end, I mean, England, 652 00:34:30,933 --> 00:34:33,213 Speaker 5: they put together that showing on the last day, but 653 00:34:33,413 --> 00:34:34,813 Speaker 5: it was not enough and I. 654 00:34:34,893 --> 00:34:39,013 Speaker 2: Think probably an underprepared lack of application. 655 00:34:40,733 --> 00:34:43,613 Speaker 5: It just feels like they took it too casually. But 656 00:34:43,733 --> 00:34:47,533 Speaker 5: maybe it's just me observing from AFAR. Australia was licking 657 00:34:47,573 --> 00:34:50,893 Speaker 5: their lips for that, and I think you really need 658 00:34:50,973 --> 00:34:56,533 Speaker 5: to be more adaptable rather than too ideological or dogmatic 659 00:34:56,653 --> 00:34:58,773 Speaker 5: with your approach to Test cricket. You need to be 660 00:34:58,813 --> 00:35:01,813 Speaker 5: able to be pragmatic and just as you go in 661 00:35:01,893 --> 00:35:05,853 Speaker 5: a Test series, and you know, even day to day 662 00:35:06,533 --> 00:35:09,453 Speaker 5: in Test match cricket. But the mcullum knows this, Ben 663 00:35:09,493 --> 00:35:11,693 Speaker 5: Stokes must know this as well, and I just wonder 664 00:35:11,733 --> 00:35:14,813 Speaker 5: how they'll change from here all the series is gone. 665 00:35:15,693 --> 00:35:17,413 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll both say they want to stay on, but 666 00:35:18,053 --> 00:35:21,293 Speaker 3: that's out of their hands. McCullum admits that he didn't 667 00:35:21,293 --> 00:35:23,533 Speaker 3: always get it right. But you know we've talked about 668 00:35:23,573 --> 00:35:26,773 Speaker 3: it previously, Jerry, haven't we They're just too one dimensional 669 00:35:26,893 --> 00:35:30,573 Speaker 3: England when you cannot play cricket and that one dimensional fashion. 670 00:35:31,453 --> 00:35:34,213 Speaker 6: No, it's a multi dimensional game, and thank Heavens, it is, 671 00:35:34,973 --> 00:35:37,453 Speaker 6: and you adapt to what's in front of you and 672 00:35:37,533 --> 00:35:40,693 Speaker 6: the situation, and you might have to work jolly hard 673 00:35:40,813 --> 00:35:44,253 Speaker 6: to get through an hour and a half's cricket, and 674 00:35:44,373 --> 00:35:47,093 Speaker 6: suddenly the pitch starts to change and the bowlers get 675 00:35:47,133 --> 00:35:49,853 Speaker 6: a little tired, the ball gets a bit more soft, 676 00:35:50,333 --> 00:35:53,413 Speaker 6: and the game actually changes, and then you get the 677 00:35:53,533 --> 00:35:56,133 Speaker 6: opportunity and all the hard work you've put in and 678 00:35:56,253 --> 00:35:59,013 Speaker 6: you might only be on fifteen not out. 679 00:35:59,533 --> 00:36:02,853 Speaker 7: Who cares. Then they're still there to do the job 680 00:36:03,053 --> 00:36:04,573 Speaker 7: you're you're asked. 681 00:36:04,333 --> 00:36:08,813 Speaker 6: To perform, and we didn't see that at all, and 682 00:36:08,973 --> 00:36:13,293 Speaker 6: that's where the idology ideology that you're talking about has 683 00:36:14,053 --> 00:36:18,373 Speaker 6: taken over and they lose wickets during those difficult periods. 684 00:36:18,893 --> 00:36:21,853 Speaker 6: I felt they were only ever ahead once in the 685 00:36:22,013 --> 00:36:24,733 Speaker 6: series of the three matches, and that was in Perse 686 00:36:25,533 --> 00:36:28,733 Speaker 6: when they bowled Australia out and they were about one 687 00:36:28,813 --> 00:36:32,213 Speaker 6: hundred to two something like that ahead, and they had 688 00:36:32,253 --> 00:36:34,773 Speaker 6: an opportunity to put the foot down and be solid 689 00:36:35,413 --> 00:36:37,733 Speaker 6: and build the beginnings and make. 690 00:36:37,613 --> 00:36:38,693 Speaker 7: It much more difficult. 691 00:36:38,773 --> 00:36:41,093 Speaker 6: I thought they were always behind in the other two 692 00:36:41,173 --> 00:36:45,133 Speaker 6: matches and just trying to really hang on and get 693 00:36:45,253 --> 00:36:48,133 Speaker 6: back and then they would play a slightly loose shot 694 00:36:48,173 --> 00:36:50,293 Speaker 6: when they did get a partnership going, and. 695 00:36:50,373 --> 00:36:53,133 Speaker 7: That was the end of it. So they were well behind. 696 00:36:53,573 --> 00:36:56,693 Speaker 6: They weren't used to the intensity, and they didn't have 697 00:36:56,893 --> 00:37:00,773 Speaker 6: that multi layered approach to the game. They didn't have 698 00:37:00,853 --> 00:37:04,493 Speaker 6: a spinner who bowls for his county. They didn't have 699 00:37:04,573 --> 00:37:07,973 Speaker 6: a wicket keeper who wicket keeps for his county. They 700 00:37:08,013 --> 00:37:11,293 Speaker 6: didn't have an opening bowler that opens the bowling for 701 00:37:11,453 --> 00:37:15,973 Speaker 6: his county. That's how much they've changed the way that 702 00:37:16,173 --> 00:37:20,053 Speaker 6: they approach the game. They've gone for attributes alone and 703 00:37:20,213 --> 00:37:21,093 Speaker 6: it hasn't worked. 704 00:37:21,973 --> 00:37:24,693 Speaker 3: All us put your thinking cap on. Do you see 705 00:37:24,973 --> 00:37:27,173 Speaker 3: McCallum surviving as coach? 706 00:37:27,653 --> 00:37:32,453 Speaker 5: Who are hard to see given just basically, if I'm 707 00:37:32,453 --> 00:37:34,773 Speaker 5: going to play the ball, not the man, I mean 708 00:37:34,933 --> 00:37:40,213 Speaker 5: just the way England revere the ashes, and I mean 709 00:37:40,613 --> 00:37:42,853 Speaker 5: maybe Stokes would survive as Kevin, but given how much 710 00:37:42,893 --> 00:37:45,493 Speaker 5: he's been linked, you know, the double helix approach to 711 00:37:46,493 --> 00:37:50,493 Speaker 5: this whole dasball for one of a better term approach 712 00:37:50,533 --> 00:37:50,973 Speaker 5: to the game. 713 00:37:51,853 --> 00:37:54,213 Speaker 2: I just think of it. They so tended to that 714 00:37:54,413 --> 00:37:56,133 Speaker 2: that and so far down the track, and the. 715 00:37:56,173 --> 00:37:58,853 Speaker 5: Series has lost before the last two games in Melbourne 716 00:37:58,853 --> 00:37:59,333 Speaker 5: and Sydney. 717 00:38:00,933 --> 00:38:02,813 Speaker 2: The ashes is everything that's folks like. 718 00:38:02,893 --> 00:38:05,253 Speaker 5: Even when England are in New Zealand for Test matches 719 00:38:05,373 --> 00:38:09,613 Speaker 5: last year, you know, questions in press conference is inevitably 720 00:38:09,733 --> 00:38:13,413 Speaker 5: turned to the ashes and that's a year out. So 721 00:38:13,893 --> 00:38:17,693 Speaker 5: given the focus on that, I think that a change 722 00:38:17,773 --> 00:38:22,093 Speaker 5: might be inevitable. And with regard to Brendan but me 723 00:38:22,213 --> 00:38:24,533 Speaker 5: he will still be the demand in various other elements 724 00:38:24,573 --> 00:38:26,973 Speaker 5: of the game, et cetera. But it's an experiment that 725 00:38:27,173 --> 00:38:31,053 Speaker 5: that might they might look back awkwardly on in years 726 00:38:31,093 --> 00:38:31,373 Speaker 5: to come. 727 00:38:31,813 --> 00:38:34,413 Speaker 3: Jerry, you of anybody knows how hard it is to 728 00:38:35,013 --> 00:38:37,653 Speaker 3: win in Australia and you were successful in doing that. 729 00:38:38,053 --> 00:38:41,293 Speaker 3: Is it the hardest country to win Test matches? And 730 00:38:41,333 --> 00:38:43,613 Speaker 3: we always used to think India was the toughest place 731 00:38:43,653 --> 00:38:46,413 Speaker 3: to go to, but New Zealand in recent times has 732 00:38:46,493 --> 00:38:48,613 Speaker 3: proved that that is a fallacy as well. 733 00:38:49,093 --> 00:38:50,853 Speaker 7: Yeah, it has been wise, That's right, isn't it. 734 00:38:50,853 --> 00:38:53,253 Speaker 6: And they've been picking India have been picking some rather 735 00:38:53,333 --> 00:38:56,653 Speaker 6: strange sides recently with sort of three batsmen and four 736 00:38:56,773 --> 00:39:00,773 Speaker 6: all rounders and a couple of seams. I mean, it's 737 00:39:01,013 --> 00:39:05,693 Speaker 6: there's certainly some experimentation going on which is fine. It's 738 00:39:05,773 --> 00:39:09,693 Speaker 6: just a question of how does it work, and that's 739 00:39:09,733 --> 00:39:13,253 Speaker 6: why some of these older ways, let's put it that way. 740 00:39:13,293 --> 00:39:17,133 Speaker 6: The more it kind of ways to select sides and 741 00:39:17,253 --> 00:39:19,813 Speaker 6: so on works a bit better I think over time. 742 00:39:19,933 --> 00:39:22,413 Speaker 6: Otherwise we'd be doing it a lot more than we 743 00:39:22,573 --> 00:39:31,613 Speaker 6: have been. Australia is a tough place to tour. The heat, hot, 744 00:39:32,053 --> 00:39:35,973 Speaker 6: the bigger grounds, the hard grounds, the hard. 745 00:39:36,333 --> 00:39:38,213 Speaker 7: Nature of pittures, the bounce. 746 00:39:39,373 --> 00:39:43,293 Speaker 6: You do need to prepare yourself in my opinion, and 747 00:39:43,533 --> 00:39:47,493 Speaker 6: the preparation was inadequate as far as England were concerned. 748 00:39:47,853 --> 00:39:50,933 Speaker 6: To go from a low bounce pitch one that didn't again, 749 00:39:51,013 --> 00:39:55,213 Speaker 6: that didn't matter. That's not the way to start against 750 00:39:55,253 --> 00:39:58,613 Speaker 6: the intensity I mentioned a moment ago is just absent 751 00:39:59,413 --> 00:40:03,853 Speaker 6: and I just feel we should learn from that very 752 00:40:04,773 --> 00:40:07,973 Speaker 6: very clearly before we go to Australia and find time 753 00:40:08,693 --> 00:40:12,533 Speaker 6: to play against an Australian A team or a state side. 754 00:40:12,813 --> 00:40:15,613 Speaker 7: I remember back to that that I'm not suggesting out. 755 00:40:15,973 --> 00:40:18,253 Speaker 6: It was perfect, but we had a two day game 756 00:40:18,373 --> 00:40:21,413 Speaker 6: up north for a while, we got a start and 757 00:40:21,493 --> 00:40:24,853 Speaker 6: then we went to Adelaide where all our batsmen got runs. 758 00:40:24,973 --> 00:40:27,933 Speaker 6: It was a draw, but we had a four day game. 759 00:40:28,013 --> 00:40:32,013 Speaker 6: It lasted four days. We got runs, Crow got two hundred. 760 00:40:32,053 --> 00:40:35,373 Speaker 6: Those sort of things we got people into form. Bowlers 761 00:40:35,453 --> 00:40:38,333 Speaker 6: had to go bowl a spell, go off into the heat, 762 00:40:38,693 --> 00:40:42,813 Speaker 6: stand out, stand out there, chase hard, get the throw back, 763 00:40:42,893 --> 00:40:44,933 Speaker 6: then come back for a second and a third spell. 764 00:40:45,533 --> 00:40:48,573 Speaker 6: Those are the things you need to go through and 765 00:40:48,813 --> 00:40:51,573 Speaker 6: feel what it's like and run off as run off 766 00:40:51,653 --> 00:40:57,053 Speaker 6: the outground and then onto the pitch, you know, and 767 00:40:57,493 --> 00:41:00,373 Speaker 6: feel that in your feet and how hitting it hard 768 00:41:00,533 --> 00:41:03,533 Speaker 6: like that, what it's like. You need to build up 769 00:41:03,613 --> 00:41:06,573 Speaker 6: those overs in the legs. You need to get hot, 770 00:41:06,773 --> 00:41:10,573 Speaker 6: you know, and recover all those things. We went finally 771 00:41:10,693 --> 00:41:13,133 Speaker 6: to the game where we played the actual first Test 772 00:41:13,253 --> 00:41:15,693 Speaker 6: and the Gabba that's where we played our last four 773 00:41:15,773 --> 00:41:18,693 Speaker 6: day game, right beside the pitch where we were going 774 00:41:18,773 --> 00:41:20,853 Speaker 6: to be playing on in the first Test, and we 775 00:41:21,013 --> 00:41:23,733 Speaker 6: ended up getting five hundred and fifty there in the 776 00:41:23,813 --> 00:41:24,493 Speaker 6: first innings. 777 00:41:24,533 --> 00:41:27,853 Speaker 7: It helped. It certainly helped. And we were in our. 778 00:41:27,933 --> 00:41:30,733 Speaker 6: Changing room where we knew where the hotel. Everything was 779 00:41:31,173 --> 00:41:34,693 Speaker 6: kind of comfortable and we worked hard to do that. 780 00:41:34,973 --> 00:41:38,493 Speaker 6: So yeah, I think that that's the sort of build 781 00:41:38,573 --> 00:41:42,573 Speaker 6: up that New Zealand need because we don't have the 782 00:41:42,693 --> 00:41:45,173 Speaker 6: range of players to select from. We've got to give 783 00:41:45,253 --> 00:41:48,293 Speaker 6: those players who are our best players the chance to 784 00:41:49,333 --> 00:41:53,573 Speaker 6: absorb those conditions, learn how to you know, to handle 785 00:41:53,693 --> 00:41:57,493 Speaker 6: the deliveries again. Make a mistake, go away and learn 786 00:41:57,573 --> 00:42:00,693 Speaker 6: about it, come back again and have another go. So 787 00:42:01,373 --> 00:42:04,493 Speaker 6: those are the sorts of things we need to do 788 00:42:04,693 --> 00:42:06,493 Speaker 6: before we start to play Australia again. 789 00:42:06,533 --> 00:42:08,933 Speaker 7: It's a different quality and an intensity. 790 00:42:10,053 --> 00:42:12,413 Speaker 3: Well, the Test match series is over, we've got white 791 00:42:12,453 --> 00:42:16,133 Speaker 3: ball cricket to follow, as we talked about a little earlier. 792 00:42:16,893 --> 00:42:21,493 Speaker 3: And Jerry, it's it's time for Christmas shopping. You have 793 00:42:21,533 --> 00:42:22,733 Speaker 3: you done an your Christmas shopping? 794 00:42:23,853 --> 00:42:27,813 Speaker 6: I'm in the car wads very close to Mount Eden 795 00:42:27,893 --> 00:42:30,493 Speaker 6: shops and guess where I'm going. You know this is 796 00:42:30,533 --> 00:42:34,133 Speaker 6: about at them all about sort of fourteen books I've 797 00:42:34,173 --> 00:42:37,053 Speaker 6: got to buy at some point, and then a few 798 00:42:37,133 --> 00:42:40,453 Speaker 6: Christmas cards and maybe a little note inside it. That's 799 00:42:40,693 --> 00:42:42,733 Speaker 6: that's a pretty dull present, I've got to say. But 800 00:42:43,133 --> 00:42:44,213 Speaker 6: that's all I've had time for. 801 00:42:44,413 --> 00:42:47,053 Speaker 3: Frankly, Yeah, all of us is still doing crickets, So 802 00:42:47,133 --> 00:42:48,333 Speaker 3: you haven't done yours or all this earlier. 803 00:42:49,173 --> 00:42:51,373 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm relying quite heavily on center. 804 00:42:51,493 --> 00:42:55,133 Speaker 5: I must say at this point to really pull his 805 00:42:55,293 --> 00:42:58,173 Speaker 5: weight before I get home, Otherwise it could be a 806 00:42:58,213 --> 00:43:02,853 Speaker 5: few pressy cards and other voucher type vouchers. 807 00:43:03,013 --> 00:43:04,853 Speaker 7: Yeah, good call. 808 00:43:07,013 --> 00:43:08,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm relying very heavy. 809 00:43:09,173 --> 00:43:11,373 Speaker 2: I hope that guy the north pole is really rolling 810 00:43:11,373 --> 00:43:11,973 Speaker 2: his sleeves up. 811 00:43:12,533 --> 00:43:17,053 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm relying very heavily on my wife. I'm sure well, 812 00:43:17,533 --> 00:43:18,533 Speaker 3: she'll do the right thing. 813 00:43:20,533 --> 00:43:20,893 Speaker 2: Anyway. 814 00:43:21,373 --> 00:43:27,493 Speaker 3: Anyway, guys, thanks very much for the contributions to this program, 815 00:43:27,693 --> 00:43:30,653 Speaker 3: Jerry right throughout the year, and Andrew Orderson handing you 816 00:43:30,693 --> 00:43:33,253 Speaker 3: on for a while. Orders we just remedy that at 817 00:43:33,293 --> 00:43:36,453 Speaker 3: some stage and wish you all the very best, and 818 00:43:36,813 --> 00:43:40,693 Speaker 3: thank you for warming yourself up in the car listening 819 00:43:40,773 --> 00:43:42,373 Speaker 3: to Rob Walters press conference. 820 00:43:43,653 --> 00:43:47,213 Speaker 6: All right, yeah, all right, all right, wads and olders 821 00:43:47,333 --> 00:43:50,333 Speaker 6: have a happy time and all our listeners of course, yeah, 822 00:43:51,373 --> 00:43:53,413 Speaker 6: you have a happy Christmas as well, and enjoy your 823 00:43:53,453 --> 00:43:54,813 Speaker 6: time with your families and so on. 824 00:43:54,933 --> 00:43:58,173 Speaker 7: That would be great, And we'll be back to you. 825 00:43:58,373 --> 00:44:02,973 Speaker 6: Presumably Waddles are task master everybody, so we'll be back 826 00:44:03,053 --> 00:44:03,453 Speaker 6: next year. 827 00:44:03,493 --> 00:44:03,893 Speaker 2: I guess what. 828 00:44:04,733 --> 00:44:06,973 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we'll find a time and a place to 829 00:44:08,133 --> 00:44:10,493 Speaker 3: talk about cricket, because we know that people love talking 830 00:44:10,573 --> 00:44:14,173 Speaker 3: cricket and I'm sure they'd love to hear from your orders. 831 00:44:14,213 --> 00:44:16,173 Speaker 3: I'm just putting in a plug for all the listeners 832 00:44:16,173 --> 00:44:18,013 Speaker 3: who are going to say, oh, get all the on 833 00:44:18,173 --> 00:44:18,613 Speaker 3: more often. 834 00:44:19,253 --> 00:44:20,893 Speaker 5: Yeah, get them to getting the site up to the 835 00:44:20,933 --> 00:44:23,813 Speaker 5: Herald was that's the spirit, that's my Christmas, that's my 836 00:44:23,973 --> 00:44:24,693 Speaker 5: Christmas present. 837 00:44:25,013 --> 00:44:26,133 Speaker 2: Plug plug from you. 838 00:44:26,173 --> 00:44:30,373 Speaker 3: On that A good buck to the company, Wall and. 839 00:44:33,853 --> 00:44:42,493 Speaker 7: Kids fit out a summer for more from news talks. 840 00:44:42,533 --> 00:44:45,733 Speaker 1: There'd be listen live on air or online and keep 841 00:44:45,773 --> 00:44:48,493 Speaker 1: our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts 842 00:44:48,613 --> 00:44:49,653 Speaker 1: on iart Radio