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Speaker 1: Barry, So for senior political correspondence with US High Barry.

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Speaker 1: What's Winston had to say about the.

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Speaker 2: JAB Well, it's really interesting because Winston pitted himself against

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Speaker 2: although with the Health Minister sam and Brown in the

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Speaker 2: Parliament this afternoon. It concerns the twelve to seventeen year

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Speaker 2: olds and it was one of the big revelations in

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Speaker 2: the COVID inquiry yesterday that the Health Ministry of Health

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Speaker 2: were warned that there was an increased danger of myo

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Speaker 2: karditis for kids under seventeen and yet that was never

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Speaker 2: passed on to the public. Now, Peter said the revelation

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Speaker 2: that this advice wasn't shed with the public warranted further

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Speaker 2: investigation and he would like to see a Select committee

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Speaker 2: having a look at that. Which could be the case.

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Speaker 2: But what do you do at the end, you say

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Speaker 2: somebody failed and somebody did. The public certainly didn't know

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Speaker 2: the risk. Yesterday, Winston Peters says they were screaming out

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Speaker 2: the house that both are Cheverril and chriss Hipkins, that

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Speaker 2: they didn't know. They just and he said he proved

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Speaker 2: in the House this afternoon that they were telling Porky's

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Speaker 2: Peter's questions questioned the Health Minister Simon Brown about Simon

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Speaker 2: Brown about it about the two mandates staying in place

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Speaker 2: even though the ministers were warned their danger for the young. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they are.

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Speaker 3: Did two dose vaccine mandates remain in place for twelve

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Speaker 3: to seven year olds despite former Minister's crucificins and Alzebral

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Speaker 3: having vented fives of concerns about mandating the COVID nineteen

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Speaker 3: double dose vaccine for this age group.

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Speaker 4: Mister speaker, Yes, I'm advised the vaccine mandates in workplace

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Speaker 4: settings for the age group remained in place until late

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Speaker 4: January twenty twenty two, and that COVID nineteen vaccine certificate

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Speaker 4: requirements for this age group remained in place until April

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: So, but as it turns out, I actually went to

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Speaker 2: try and find out how many kids under the age

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Speaker 2: of seventeen got my cardiotis as a result of taking

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Speaker 2: the vaccine. It would seem maybe twenty got it and

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Speaker 2: parents should have been informed, There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: And if veryl and Hipkins had the information, they most

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Speaker 2: certainly should have made that public.

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Speaker 1: So then the ministry should have because if you remember

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Speaker 1: at the time, but.

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Speaker 2: They'd say the ministry did hand on the material to

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Speaker 2: the publics to the ministers, but the ministers never made

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Speaker 2: it public.

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Speaker 1: Somebody should have made it public though, because if you remember, the.

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Speaker 2: Truth should have made it public.

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Speaker 1: There were real concerns from a small group of people

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Speaker 1: in this country about taking the vaccine, and Jacinda kept

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Speaker 1: on saying it's safe, it's safe, it's safe, it's safe,

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Speaker 1: it's safe. Right now, what we find out is actually

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Speaker 1: they knew it wasn't safe to take two doses for

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Speaker 1: young people. I feel like there is a group of

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Speaker 1: people who are actually owed an apology by the rest

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Speaker 1: of us. We called them conspiracy theorists and belittled them,

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Speaker 1: and in the end they've actually been proven to be

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Speaker 1: at least partially right. And as far as their allegations

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Speaker 1: that they were that the information they were being given

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Speaker 1: was not the complete truth.

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Speaker 2: They have been Yes, well indeed, And you know, the

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Speaker 2: fact that even a handful of people got mo choditis

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Speaker 2: is an indictment certainly on the government that was handling

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Speaker 2: the whole COVID response.

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Speaker 1: Now in New Zealand's back in the center of the debate,

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Speaker 1: aren't they.

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, there's the debate and the royses when the

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Speaker 2: airline goes through a tough time that you know, that

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Speaker 2: appalling result it had losing so much money in the

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Speaker 2: six months. Essentially, Winston Peters, he's completely ruled out a

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Speaker 2: called by David Seymour to privatize the airline. It's been

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Speaker 2: done before and of course it was brought back by

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Speaker 2: the government. The point that Winston Peters made because he

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Speaker 2: hates public assets being sold, he said they should never

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Speaker 2: be sold. The shares. He said, basically the airline was

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Speaker 2: a critical utility for a country like New Zealand. It's

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Speaker 2: our face to the rest of the world. I tend

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Speaker 2: to agree with that. I mean, every country should have

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Speaker 2: a national airline and you know the Koru on the

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Speaker 2: wings and what have you. That is New Zealand. And

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Speaker 2: I've got to say, having traveled frequently abroad seeing Air

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Speaker 2: New Zealand planes sitting on the tarmac overseas, it fills

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Speaker 2: me with a bit of pride that here we are there.

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Speaker 1: Now, what do you think of Brian Roach's moves? Very clever,

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Speaker 1: isn't it isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's very clever and I see the unions talking

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Speaker 2: about taking legal action, and they may have an avenue

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Speaker 2: there because there is a collective agreement covering teachers, but

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Speaker 2: those outside the collective agreement, I think that's about ten

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Speaker 2: thousand primary teachers. They are not part of the union. Therefore,

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Speaker 2: Brian roach and he's really taken his job very seriously

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Speaker 2: because public service commissioners normally aren't the aren't in the

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Speaker 2: firing line of negotiating pay settlements. You normally have the

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Speaker 2: heads of departments that do it with the union.

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Speaker 1: He took that role over last year though, and may remember.

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Speaker 2: That, yes, and very much so. I mean to talk

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Speaker 2: about must be a headache for him doing this job.

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Speaker 2: But look, he's certainly attempting to undermine the power of

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Speaker 2: the union, There's no doubt about that. And I know

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Speaker 2: you're going to be talking to him. But it is

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Speaker 2: a very shrewd move because it says to ten thousand

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Speaker 2: teachers you can be paid an additional I think it's

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Speaker 2: about seventy seventy sixty or seventy bucks fifty to seventy

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Speaker 2: six dollars a week now within a few weeks, whereas

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Speaker 2: the rest of them, because they want the treaty recognized

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Speaker 2: in the pay agreement which is patently absurd and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure there's many trade union teachers that would find that

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Speaker 2: absurd as well. And just to your point in your introduction, Heather,

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Speaker 2: that trade unions, I mean I was a member of

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Speaker 2: a trade union union for many years when I was younger.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I was an official in the Trade usise.

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Speaker 2: You're proud of it, No, I am absolutely proud of

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Speaker 2: it because we have pain conditions that journalists. When I

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Speaker 2: started many years ago, they were very very poorly and

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Speaker 2: they still last We were related to janitors in terms.

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Speaker 1: Is it that much different now?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is. I think journalists are much better paid.

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Speaker 2: They were well.

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Speaker 1: Barry so I see, I was looking at Radio New

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Speaker 1: Zealand today. They've got a headline just into our dourn

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Speaker 1: among the star studed Auckland Writers' Festival lineup. Why aren't

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Speaker 1: you in the headline, Barry? Why is radio news? Why

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Speaker 1: did they not say Barry Soaper studied Auckland writers Festival

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Speaker 1: line up?

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Speaker 2: I think the answer to that one is quite obviously.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I don't want to drive people away from the festival.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Verry, Thank you very much, very so, for

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