1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Pamadegi's boot Camp pilot program for serious young offenders starts today. 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: The twelvemonth military style program will see one to one 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: mentoring for each teenager with a focus on routine physical 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: activity and education. Willow Jene Prime is Labour's Children's spokesperson 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: and joins me, now, thank you for being with me 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: this morning. First of all, this this sounds like quite 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: a good thing, particularly for those serious repeat young offenders. 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: No, no, it doesn't sound like a good thing, Ryan, 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: and that is because what we have here is the 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 2: government running a pilot. Essentially, the pilot pilot is an experiment, 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: and that is despite evidence, experts and people with experience 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: all saying that military style academies or boot camps do 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: not work for these young people. 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: Karen Shaw says they have learned from past boot camps. 15 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: The focus this time will be more on rehabilitation and 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: re entering the community. 17 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: They say that they have learned, yet they are ignoring evidence, 18 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: experts and people with experience who say that the scared 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: straight and boot camp style programs do not work. And 20 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: that was the most recent report on them by Sir 21 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: Peter Glickmann in twenty eighteen. And this just last week 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: we had the Royal Commission report on Abuse in Staycare 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: and it includes an entire chapter on boot camp and 24 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: in there many of the same issues are raised in 25 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 2: that report, and they continue to ignore that and insist 26 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: on their tough on crime, punitive rhetoric and approaches to 27 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: dealing with these young people. 28 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: Can you see why they might be wanting to try 29 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: new innovative things like pilots, given that, according to the 30 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: Ministry of Justice, there was a twenty six percent increase 31 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: in fourteen to sixteen year olds undergoing serious and persistent offending. 32 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: The issue that we have here is that when the 33 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: government came in, they were prevent a briefing which showed 34 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: that the circuit break up program was having a seventy 35 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: six percent success rate. They have decided to cancel the 36 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 2: Enhanced fast Track program instead in favor of their boot 37 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 2: camp pilot, where there is ample evidence, decades of evidence, 38 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: recent evidence from nineteen eighty nine to two thousand and 39 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: four that boot camps do not work. Yet they insist 40 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: on experimenting once again with young people instead of acknowledging 41 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: and supporting those programs that do and can work. 42 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: How would you rate Labour's performance in supporting young people 43 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: who might be at risk of offending. Given that four 44 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: thousand children were living in motels and there was a 45 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: two percent increase in material hardship child poverty figures under 46 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: your watch. 47 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: These are extremely difficult challenge is that we all have 48 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: and that we have to face as a society. That 49 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: is what came out of the Royal Commission's report. Labour 50 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: invested significantly in the Circuit Breaker program, which evidence shows 51 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: was having a seventy six percent success rate in working 52 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: with our young serious offenders. We invested further into the 53 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: Enhanced Fast Track. I was so disappointed when this government 54 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: canceled that program in favor of failed experiments of the past, 55 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 2: the boot Camp. 56 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: Wellogen Prime, Labour's children's spokesperson, Thanks so much for more 57 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: from News Talks at b Listen live on air or online, 58 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: and keep our shows with you wherever you go with 59 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: our podcasts on Irradio.