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Speaker 1: Fueld taxes are out, road user charges are in for everyone.

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Speaker 1: The government scrapping the two tier system where petrol drivers

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Speaker 1: paid at the pump, diesel and EV's paid per kilometer

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Speaker 1: though not their fair share, and the new system will

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Speaker 1: be electronic and reflect our changing vehicle fleet according to

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Speaker 1: the government. Justin Tayumbas is the National Road Carrier Association CEO.

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Speaker 2: Justin good morning, Good morning Ran.

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Speaker 1: What are truckies? And I know people don't like that

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Speaker 1: term anymore, but what do they think of it? What

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Speaker 1: does it mean for them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I think what it means ultimately for truckies

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Speaker 2: road transport operators is going to be that we'll get

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Speaker 2: our roads paid for in a better way than what

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Speaker 2: we are at the moment. So there's a big leak

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Speaker 2: in the bucket, Ryan, and that's you know, we're just

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Speaker 2: not bringing in enough from the current system, from the

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Speaker 2: fuel tax at the pump where the numbers billions actually

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Speaker 2: in terms of what we're behind for what we need

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Speaker 2: to maintain our current network and hopefully build some better roads.

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Speaker 2: So no road freight industry will be pleased with us change.

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Speaker 1: Does it make it cheaper for road freight?

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Speaker 2: Look, we want to see the network paid for in

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Speaker 2: a fair share. And what happens when you move to

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Speaker 2: ruckers the road user charges. You start paying by weight

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Speaker 2: and distance traveled, which is actually fairer than paying for

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Speaker 2: what you pay for at the pump, because that just

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Speaker 2: depends on how efficient your petrol engine is. So road

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Speaker 2: freight will continue to want to pay for the fair share,

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Speaker 2: but absolutely plugging this gap, we've got cars that aren't

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Speaker 2: paying for the fair usage that will certainly make it better.

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Speaker 1: None of this is coming until twenty twenty seven at

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Speaker 1: the earliest. Should the government be making it more of

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Speaker 1: a priority. Should it be happening sooner than that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could argue that the challenges I guess is

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Speaker 2: that the government of the Crown is having to put

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Speaker 2: in grants, taxpayer money is having to go in to

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Speaker 2: prop up maintaining the road network. So certainly we need

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Speaker 2: to get on with it. That said, it's a once

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Speaker 2: in fifty year change. Every country around the world's actually

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Speaker 2: facing this problem were you've got evs and far more

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Speaker 2: efficient petrol engines just reducing how roading's paid for. New

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Speaker 2: Zealand's actually and we're in quite a good position because

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Speaker 2: we're world pioneers in road user charges. We were the

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Speaker 2: first to bring it out in the late seventies. We're

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Speaker 2: still a world leader on it with Electronic Rock for

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Speaker 2: how trucks pay for it, so we're actually in quite

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Speaker 2: a strong position compared to other countries.

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Speaker 1: Justin great to have you on the show. As always,

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Speaker 1: Justin taiamba's National Road Carry Association CEO.

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