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Speaker 1: Well Erica Stanford has released the subject's list. This is

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Speaker 1: the new subjects which will be included in the replacement

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Speaker 1: of NCEEA. I've got some new ones here for you.

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Speaker 1: Primary Industries will be a science subject you can take

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Speaker 1: in year thirteen. Electronics and Mechatronics is one you can

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Speaker 1: take in year twelve. That's under technology. Also automotive engineering,

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Speaker 1: Building and Construction, infrastructure engineering, mechanical engineering. You can take music, technology,

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Speaker 1: Sociology is new Civics, Politics, philosophy, Pacific studies or new subjects.

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Speaker 1: Claire Amos is the Albany Senior High School principal with

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Speaker 1: me this morning, Clear, Good morning, MORENNA. Good list.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting list. I have mixed feelings about the list.

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Speaker 2: The subject titles sound great, that there's a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of information about what sits behind them that I have questions.

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Speaker 1: Around, which I guess is I mean, would you expect

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Speaker 1: to have all the detail when they're just releasing the list.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm interested that we've even got a list which

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Speaker 2: has had zero consultation, so this has come as a

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Speaker 2: bit of a bolt out of the blue. I recognize

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Speaker 2: it's an extension of the proposal to replace in CEA

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Speaker 2: and to provide some suggestions. You know, that's still supposedly

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Speaker 2: up for consultation and hasn't shouldn't be a facer complete

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Speaker 2: at this stage. So I think it's interesting that we've

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Speaker 2: been given a whole new senior subjects list without any

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Speaker 2: consultation at this stage, and we've got a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of new subjects, and we've got these VET subjects, which

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Speaker 2: I think are a really interesting thing to explore further

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Speaker 2: because they may actually present some issues for our sector.

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Speaker 1: What VET subjects are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: So vocational education and training subjects. There's a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of new ones, some of them that you mentioned primary

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Speaker 2: industries and etc. Outdoor education is now a vocational subject.

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Speaker 2: What we know about vocational subjects is they're not going

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Speaker 2: to be funded for schools to necessarily resource and teach.

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Speaker 2: What they will do is they'll have an industry skills

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Speaker 2: board who will be developing the resources and potentially even

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Speaker 2: delivering the teaching and learning. And I've got a real

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Speaker 2: concern that this is a bit of a creep away

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Speaker 2: towards privatization of parts of our education sector, but also

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Speaker 2: that it takes it out of the context of school

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Speaker 2: some of the most powerful vocational teaching and learning at

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Speaker 2: the moment happens in the context of our schools, where

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Speaker 2: they're designing it to meet the needs of their very

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Speaker 2: distinct communities, such as rural communities.

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Speaker 1: Clear do you accept that NCAA has been failing students

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Speaker 1: and has been failing parents? And if you accept that,

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Speaker 1: then why does schools who are the ones that have

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Speaker 1: had the flexibility to run the system now need to

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Speaker 1: say on all in sundry with the replacement.

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Speaker 2: I actually don't accept that NCAA is a failure. I think,

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Speaker 2: like every system, it has some points of weakness that

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Speaker 2: we need to address. But I actually believe we would

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Speaker 2: be far better off to improve the system that we have.

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Speaker 2: I kept thinking about the incredible amount of reasons, seeing

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Speaker 2: the amount of dollars it's going to create to not

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Speaker 2: only rewrite the curriculum for every single subject in that list,

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Speaker 2: because if we get the proposed changes to this new

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Speaker 2: Zealand Certificate of Education, that's going to require brand new

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Speaker 2: curriculum for every single subject, brand new assessment frameworks for

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Speaker 2: every single subject. That's huge resourcing. I think we need

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Speaker 2: to actually pause for a moment, step back and look

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Speaker 2: at what the real issue is. If we want to

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Speaker 2: raise literacy and numeracy and make sure that we're actually

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Speaker 2: raising the outcomes of all of our learners.

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Speaker 1: Where how can you you accept that we need to

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Speaker 1: do all those things which is clearly means it hasn't

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Speaker 1: been done, you know.

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Speaker 2: No, it needs means we need to make improvements. One

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Speaker 2: of our most esteemed professors, Vivian Robinson, says, we need

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Speaker 2: to reduce change to increase improvement. And I worry that

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Speaker 2: if you're not an educator, simply rewriting the whole system

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Speaker 2: looks like a very neat and tidy solution when we

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Speaker 2: would be far better off investing in what we have

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Speaker 2: and improving it and advancing it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not claient.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't need to be improvements made, but let's work

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Speaker 2: with what we've got.

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Speaker 1: I have delivered the clear amails at Albany Senior High

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